LUMBRIA - The Biggest Mystery In Warhammer - Fantasy Lore

Lumbria has always been a mysterious place. A land which has next to no lore yet for some reason has been getting mentions again which may mean something may happen in the far future. Let's discuss what we know so far and speculate what may come.
LUMBIRA - The Biggest Mystery In Warhammer - Fantasy Lore
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[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Something a little different today because I was chatting with a friend and he mentioned Lumbira to which I realized we've never really discussed this on the channel!

[@KS-PNW]

I'd never even heard of it before (only gotten into WH through the Total War games)

[@fumarc4501]

A shallow ocean, but rests above a massive(unnatural) subterranean pocket (Atlantis, The Lost Empire style). Whatever built this civ is either long dead or gone, but it’s overrun by giant insects. People survive by living nomadic, Polynesian style, island to island. People who stay in one place too long are on borrowed time and would explain why Dark Elves would avoid this swarm’s hunting grounds.

[@KS-PNW]

@@fumarc4501 that sounds like an amazing idea

[@SRMC23]

Lumbria being based on Oceania would open some really rad themes for an army. like having massive marsupials, monitors and land crocs to follow with some sea monsters. the question is what kind of civilization could live there outside of pygmies, and being that remote it could mean Chaos has never touched it. Perhaps Lumbria is isolated enough that there is traces of a civilization more ancient than the Lizardmen themselves, maybe something Lovecraftian.

[@Sara3346]

Others have mentioned Polynesia as well so like advanced humans mixing Maori fortresses and Idoenth stuff might be worth considering.

[@DaCrazyMofo]

Fishmen confirmed

[@nanonano2595]

i thought it'd just be full of albion prisoners and their lizardmen wrestling buddies

[@rthompson7182]

And now I can’t stop thinking about haka preforming pygmy shock troops.

[@doggerthedog6744]

AUSTRALIANS

[@johnthecrazedsskull81]

Lumbria could be home to multiple factions, like there could be a Polynesian inspired faction of humans, but there could also be: there could be fishmen as a reference to the Shadow Over Innsmouth, an entire faction of Constructs who guard a dead nation like in the stereotypical adventure story and may be a Carnivorous Plant inspire faction of dryads as Pitcher Plants are natives to that kind of region.

[@changer_of_ways_suspense_smith]

"Giant pygmies" is freaking hilarious!

[@elodrian]

What if a giant pygmy is actually a pygmy giant? Such a creature could be a similar size to an ogre and integrate easily into an ogre warband.

[@josephdoria5237]

Would probably get along well with ogres since they have the strength of a giant but the smarts of a human.

[@ultraranger1286]

I remember that the lore for the Lost Isles of Elithis is that it's where the Asur use as a commercial base to transport Cathyan goods to the Turtle Isles. So Lumbria is likely in the nothern part of "the pacific" if the Asur never didn't really have too much contact with it?

[@malcolmjcullen]

I always laugh when people talk about "official Games Workshop canon", they've been making it up as they go along for 40-odd years!

[@togaturtle]

Hmm I thought that Dark Elves had sailed round the world to Cathay. How have they not come across Lumbria? I suppose it could be so infested with sea monsters that no one can get to it, but then how can the Pygmies be enlisted by ogres? The only thing I can think of is a Bandal wood kinda deal from Runeterra where they have their own magical secret ways of exiting and finding the continent.

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

Could be this tbh!

[@Prushinthespirit]

Book about Archaon mentioned a whole bunch of much more enigmatic places.

[@jarlwilliam9932]

The Malus Darkblade books mention whole civilizations existing in the chaos wastes, some harboring more people then the empire and Cathay combined while some are just burnt out husks, and others look like they are aliens that live underwater despite living on land. Of course these civilizations are blissfully unaware of anything happening beyond their borders as all of them are held under the thrall of chaos and most are actually locked in a stasis popping in and out of existence at random intervals due to timey wimey chaos magic shenanigans.

[@PoorManatee6197]

Which ones?

[@jarlwilliam9932]

@@PoorManatee6197 Been awhile since I’ve read them but I think it’s the first one where he travels to the far north after collecting the relics of chaos, some Mung tribesmen aid him as travel guides.

[@KiraDidNoWrong8274]

​@@jarlwilliam9932I think he meant "which places"

[@howdoyoudo5949]

​@@KiraDidNoWrong8274Yeah, what were these places?

[@nestorvetumbra]

I think the "giant pygmies" was just a joke to refer to the aboriginal humans of Lumbria, and an in-universe mix-up on the part of an Old World or Cathay scholar or perhaps a traveling maneater. There is probably some physical, fashion, or cultural similarity between Lumbrian humans and Lustrian pygmies. Personally I would like Lumbria to be more than a fantastical version of Australia, but a set of archipelagos with a Lovecraftian and pulp theme, since the submerged city of R'Lyeh where Cthulhu sleeps is supposed to be in the Pacific Ocean; as well as some Deep One metropolises that maintain contact with island human tribes.

[@themadafro]

As an Australian the idea of a faction based that might be themed around oceania sounds absolutely amazing

[@vincelycaner4259]

Rule by highly intelligent humanoid Emu and their elite kangaroo guards riding giant koalas as war beast.

[@cameronyoung9362]

Yeah but without the backwards flushing toilets, how will it be a clearly Australian inspired landscape? I mean sure you can create the area with upside down gravity and plug in some emu/scorpion, Kangaroo/death-spider hybrids to run around willy-nilly merking the native population, but how can you within the Warhammer fantasy, create a McDonald's for the leader of the country to shit himself in? It just wont feel the same.

[@Grubnar]

You mis-spelled "terrifying"!

[@Hammers_Peace]

Can't wait for the gas station building slot to buff abbos

[@CommanderBohn]

Darn. This is some crazy stuff...Lumbria is indeed mysterious.

[@Xenomorphine]

Yeah, a Lemuria reference was my guess, too. If so, not really surprising it's given a similar name and an ambiguously hand-wavey 'here be dragons' direction. According to some sources, it's meant to have had some sort of hostility against Atlantis. Just like Atlantis, the precise location has never been agreed upon/properly ascertained to verify, one way or the other. If that's what it is, it's going to be kept a perpetual mystery on purpose.

[@twincast2005]

Well, Ulthuan is clearly Warhammer Atlantis, so that kind of ruins your argument for "perpetual". It is certainly way, way on the back burner, though.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@twincast2005 Ulthuan isn't Lumbria. I was referring to Lumbria.

[@twincast2005]

@@Xenomorphine You wrote that Atlantis and Lemuria were both a mystery, and that Lemuria's status means Lumbria will stay such. Ulthuan is evidence against that.

[@twincast2005]

@fk3095 Calling Greenland a ring is a stretch (... Heh. Pun not intended.) I doubt that we could already see through the ice in the 1980s. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear that some tinfoil hat wearers are identifying Greenland with Atlantis, so at most it would just be one step removed. Anyway, Ulthuan is an ancient advanced civilization on a huge circular landmass in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean with a former global empire; it doesn't get more Atlantean than that. It's smack-dab in the equivalent to the exact area of the Atlantic Ocean that Atlantis has been placed traditionally, well to the south of an island chain that connects Naggaroth almost all the way to Albion, i.e. roughly from Greenland to Ireland. FYI, two things are almost 100% certain about Plato's Atlantis: Its society was purely born out of his thought experiments about the perfect society. And the base elements of the tale reflect the fall of the Minoan civilization after the volcanic eruption at Thera, which until then was a ring-shaped island, over a thousand years before his time. That he placed it in the Atlantic Ocean was either due to confusion of one formation called the Pillars of Heracles with another or because he needed the space as it (as is typical for myths based on history) got scaled up in size (and number of rings) considerably. Possibly both; we'll never know for sure.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@twincast2005 I was simply pointing out some trivia in relation to the legends of Lumeria. Lumeria is a mystery and Lumbria seems to be little more than a hand-wavey reference to it, that's all.

[@mrsgaap1]

i am surprised the Pygmies haven't been wiped from any and all record's by GW i hope they would do something cool with em there a interesting idea

[@ShadowWolfRising]

There was an idea to make them Incan Halflings that ride Cold Ones. That sounded cool.

[@anvos658]

Very likely its either Warhammer Australia as postulated, or Lumbria is just some Cathay name for Naggaroth/Lustria, and the giant pygmies are just Amazons or escaped slaves.

[@moleman3708]

Fun fact: There actually is an eighth continent that sunk underwater in Oceania. It's called Zealandia and 96% of the continent is underwater, with the 4% above water being New Zealand. Source: One of my college professors went on a voyage to the continent on a core drilling ship and gave a lecture about it.

[@justjelmer6654]

Not really a continent tho, it is/was too small for that. Still amazing such a big landmass can get submerged, makes you wonder how the surface of earth will look a million years in the future.

[@moleman3708]

@@justjelmer6654 Pretty sure it does count as a content to geologists. I know geographers are a bit shaky on it though. But geologically speaking it does count as a continent.

[@justjelmer6654]

@@moleman3708 I said not really, because, as far as my knowledge goes, it is called a "mini/micro-continent", which lacks certain elements compared to the "known" continents, although I can't remember what those elements were. Socially speaking I don't think a lot of people even know of the existence of Zealandia, and that is one of the reasons why geographers don't recognise it (yet).

[@yashirhakkar2309]

Something about this old map that I like is how Weijin has actually some distance from the Great Bastion. Like who the hell would stick their capital to the wall containing the biggest threat to their empire?!

[@elodrian]

The Chinese, the Koreans, the Jews. Beijing is 70km from the Great Wall. Seoul and Incheon are both right next to the DMZ. West Bank Border Wall goes all around Jerusalem.

[@jordinagel1184]

@@elodrianor Al-Andalus, whose capital of Córdoba was for the longest time pretty close to the Christian kingdoms of Iberia… Or Sassanid Persia, whose Capital of Ctesiphon (around Baghdad) was not far from the border with Rome… Or the large rival states of Vijayanagar (most of southern India) and Bahmanis (central India), whose respective capitals were only a few dozen kilometers away from each other

[@yashirhakkar2309]

​@@elodrian Beijin wasn't the capital before 1400 though, and the invasions from the north were mostly over at this time.

[@lukevannieuwkoop8482]

The same reason why Mediolanum eventually became the Western Roman Empire's capital; Quickening reaction-time to forces threatening the border-regions.

[@oihanlarranegi472]

​@@jordinagel1184I don't think Cordoba is a good example, because when it was chosen as the capital of the new caliphate, the borders were far away. The christians only got closer later, and by that time, why change the capital

[@XcUtiOn96]

If GW wants to do something with Lumbria imo the best they could do is to fuse Madagascar and Australia. Both have weird animals and unique and rich cultures that have never been explored in a fantasy setting.

[@starhalv2427]

... rarely, not never

[@fumarc4501]

That’s where I write “There be Big Bugs here.”

[@lorgarurizen924]

Hello dear author! Recently came across your channel. I watch it with pleasure, but with subtitles. Thank you for your work and I apologize in advance for my bad English. You touched on a really very exciting subject with regards to Lambria. Yes, I agree that Lambria (as well as Lemuria) was once mentioned on the maps. And the ogre armibook speaks of giant pygmies from Lambria or from Lemuria. I really hope that GW all the same will return to the ideas of returning the old races, which at the moment are non-canon. However, if we recall such interesting playable races as Fimirs or Gnomes, then we see how GW brought them back to the FB world. There are, in my opinion, several interesting official races, as well as ideas and concepts invented by the GW since the times of the 1st and 3rd editions. It is worth mentioning such interesting races as the Slann Empire. The Slann Empire was not an empire of lizardmen, but of humanoid amphibians (frogs and toads). Also, this playable race could include in its composition the armies of the pygmies of Lustria and the Southern Lands, as well as vassals of lizardmen and troglodytes. The ancient lizardmen and troglodytes were primitive and lived all over the world, and even once, the dwarves had to fill up the passages of one of the karaks in order to leave them locked there. Lizardmen and troglodytes were vassals of the Slann Empire. And there is even a hint of a reference to the creatures that live in the underground sea in Nagoroth, which often attack the dark elf sities and drag them away. I would be very happy that the GW would revive the old races, and the Slann Empire, which would consist of humanoid frogs, toads, pygmies, lizardmen and troglodytes (not to be confused with saurs, skinks, chameleons and kroxigors) and this empire would be just the same in Lambria. Lambria, in my opinion, is an analogue of Australia in the Warhammer FB world. And the Slann Empire could take its rightful place on the Lambrian mainland. I also mentioned Lemuria. There is Lemuria in the FB world. True, Lambria and Lemuria do not represent specifics for us. We can only speculate that Lambria is possibly Australia and Lemuria is New Zealand and Popua New Guinea. It is also possible nearby are Oceania - archipelago of numerous islands. But that's just fan speculation.

[@lorgarurizen924]

Another interesting official race from GW was the half-orcs. Half-orcs are the common name for half-humans and half-orcs, half-humans and half-goblins, half-humans and half-hobgoblins. Half-orcs are a kind of enclave in the world of greenskins. They are despised by greenskins and humans alike. Therefore, half-orcs often lead a half-ocular, and half mercenary lifestyle. They are often employed by both other greenskin tribes and humans. Half-orcs had their own line of units in 3rd edition. Menfish Another interesting and mysterious playable race is the Menfish. Menfish were in 1st edition. They had one or more units from GW, but then everyone forgot about them. What's interesting is that the Menfish were part of the beastmen. Today, we lack a separate playable sea race, or rather several of them. I would be very happy if the GW rethink the concept of Menfish, and they will not be part of Chaos, but will worship their no less terrible ancient god of the deep sea (some mixture of Lovecraft) and the ocean depths. If it is revived in a Lovecraft and rethought version, we will get one of the most interesting game-sea races. There is a place here for shark people, sea giants, sea anglers, and riders on giant conger eels and crabs. Kroots Also, GW had a lot of ideas and concepts in the beginning. For example centaurs. In some edition (I don’t remember exactly, sorry), centaurs were depicted in the North American Indian style. It was also possible that there was an idea to settle in the New World (as the Naggaroth were called before) a race that would very much resemble the native Indians of North America. And perhaps they were flightless birds - the Kroot. We didn't see the Kroot in FB, but they are present in Warhammer 40,000, and what is remarkable, their style and design is very much reminiscent of the Indians of North America. Insectoids Also, GW had an idea to create a terrible and terrible race in the fb world, against which even the northern tribes who worship Chaos were not so frightening. And this idea was to create a race of Insectoids (humanoid and not only) - intelligent insects. Even models with insectoids (some kind of humanoid ants) were released, but this idea was later abandoned. Intelligent humanoid insectoids who are alien to emotions, fears, pity and mercy and compassion. Most of which biorobots devoid of emotions perform their tasks. Imagine for a moment such a subterranean-mountainous Insectoid Empire ruled by matriarch queens. Imagine for a moment a list of their terrible units. Huge ones larger than a tank - giant bugs, scorpions, spiders, infantry in the form of humanoid ants, bombardiers, and humanoid wasps circling the sky, giant praying mantises, terrifying giant centipedes, and larvae the size of leviathans. This race of insectoids would be very interesting and terribly frightening. They would not worship chaos, but would pursue their own goals, beyond the control of rational beings. Brrrr... what a horror, and we need such a race of Insectoids!) Humanoid Monkeys (Monkeymen). You can read about Monkeymen in the Weremen armibook. They are said to be a form of beastmen. However, if we proceed from the lore, then we can conclude that the monkey people live mainly in the jungle and tropics. Ape people live in Lustria, and in the jungles of the Southern Lands, in the jungles of the Indus and Khuresh, and in the lands of the Cathay Empire. Moreover, in the updated lore of the Cathay Empire, ape-men are no longer creatures of Chaos. Ape people are one of the most numerous creatures inhabiting the lands of Cathay. They outnumber even the Cathay. And the Monkey King from their race, who even at one time was able to usurp power in Cathay. From this we can conclude that the Monkeymen are not homogeneous in their culture. For example, the ape people of the Southern Lands are very different from the ape people of the Cathay Empire. Sea Elves Also, GW may have had an idea to create another sea race (or maybe several) in addition to the fishmen. Perhaps they were the Sea Elves, but at some point the GW abandoned this idea, and instead of the sea variety of the Elves, the Sea Elves became simple colonies of the High Elves. However, in the Warhammer AoS we can see the original concept of the Sea Elves as a purely underwater race. It would be great if GW would bring Idonet into the world of FB. We have 3 types of elves that live in certain territories. The High Elves live in Ulthuan, the Dark Elves in Highlands, the Wood Elves in Athel Loren, and the Sea Elves could live in the underwater country of Nautikan. Nautican - could be the home of the Sea Elves. Sea Creatures. In the stories about Lokhir, the sunken city of Chupayotl is mentioned. These stories mention intelligent sea creatures with scaly skin, with membranes, with gills, various sea monsters. What am I to? In general, it would be great if there were as many as 4 sea races in the FB world: Sea Elves, Fishmen, Sea Lizards / Sea Nagas, and Crab-clams (like insectoid cousins, but only sea ones). Lore can always be invented. The ocean is very big. We in the FB world have 3 types of elves, 3 mountain-underground races (dwarves, night goblins, skaven). So why not create 4 sea races? Sea Elves (Idonet), Fishmen, Sea Lizards/Nagas, Clam Crabs would fit perfectly into the FB world. Forest Spirits Based on the lore of the FB world, then the Forest Spirits appeared much later than the elves, not to mention the forest elves. I personally think that Wood Elves should be divided into Wood Elves and Wood Spirits. Such lords as Durthu, Coeddil, Adanhu, Drycha should head the forest spirits. And in the line of units for the Forest Spirits, you can add units from Sylvaneth from AoS. Angels Although the world of FB is the dark universe of Grimdark (which I really like), in which Chaos is something incomprehensible and incomprehensible, and of course terrible (references to Lovecraft), in a world where there are Demons of Chaos with their Dark Gods, but there was no place angels? I would really like that GW would add in the future a playable race of Angels, which will be able to withstand a terrible threat, and will be, as it were, the "Defender" of this planet. As "Angels" I really liked the playable race of Stormcast from AoS. To imagine how in the FB world an army of angelic beings stands up to protect and save the world from demonic invasions and threats - just an impressive sight!

[@lorgarurizen924]

Well, a little about people ...) "Nubia" In the lore of the Tomb Kings and Arabia, people are mentioned who came to the aid of King Alcadizaar the Conqueror. They were the Nubians. People of the South, as they are often described. In fact, these black skinned people live in Ka-Sabar and also have a number of different tribes, such as the Fangs, Ebony, Ethiopians. In fact, if we proceed from the lore, then the southern lands that border the jungles of the Southern Lands are the lands of the "Nubians". We have Arabia, we have Cathay, we have the equivalent of ancient Egypt. And even in fact there is Nubia, but for some reason they are bypassed. Human Tribes of the Southern Jungle. In the southern Jungles live not only Lizardmen, there live monkeymen, wild orcs, forest goblins, pygmies, as well as black-skinned tribes who paint their bodies with white paint. These human tribes are very similar to real Zulu, Bushmen, and other tribes of Central and South Africa. People of the New World In the first editions of the land of the New World (Naggaroth), Lustria were inhabited by people. Primitive tribes lived in the north of Nagoroth, who were very similar to the Eskimo and Aleut tribes known to us. In the arid deserts of Nagorotha lived tribes of people who were similar in culture to the Indians of North America. And in the southern jungles of Lustria lived numerous tribes of people. Some of them were savages, while others were vassals of the Slann Empire. "Ancient Rome and Greece". Oh yes, we miss this topic in the FB world!) If we have references to the Roman Empire in the form of the city of Remas in Tilea, and even when the Remas Empire was created (a reference to the Roman Empire), then we have Greece no... Although the names of the southern part of the Border Princes speak for themselves. Cities such as Myrmidens, Argalis, Lakoras, Aheas, Cyprus, Verdanas. We need ancient Greece with hoplites, pikemen, peltasts, and Greek mythology. "Caucasus" In the early additions to Kislev, it was said about the hill tribes and peoples who live in the Worlds Edge Mountains. Some of these tribes even have their own small states. Some are allies of Kislev, others trade in Kislev, and still others raid and fight the Kislevites. Were these early sketches of the Caucasus? Maybe. Caucasus in the FB world. With interesting mechanics. A mixture of ancient Great Armenia from the times of Tigran the Great, medieval Georgia and Alania, Dagestan, Circassia, and Abkhazia from the times of the 17th-18th centuries. Medieval Korea and Tibet and the states of Southeast Asia? In the old lore of Cathay, it is said that the Empire of Cathay is surrounded by various human states. In the east are the lands of the fragmented kingdom of Khan-Kuo (analogous to Korea of the times of Kogure), in the southwest there are mountains, and there are also the fragmented kingdoms of Kitserava (Tibet), and the Khuresh jungle has its own kingdoms of people (in addition to the bloody nagas) such as Sivkang, Taylan. "Persia" In conclusion, I would like to say a little about Persia. We have the Dark Lands. Chaos Dwarves live there. But what if we create a series of mountains between the dark lands and call these mountains Irran (which are in Estalia. A reference to Persia?). What if in the southern parts separated by the mountains of Iranna, create the country of Persia? which borders the Indus Kingdom in the southeast, trades with Karak Azul in the west, and is separated from the evil haoa dwarves by a mountain range known as the Irran Mountains. Persia would be another interesting human playable race. which would combine in this feature of Persia from the time of the Achaemenids, the Parthian Empire, and the Sassanid Empire. I strongly hope that Southern Realms (Estalia, Tilia, Border Princes), Arabia, Albion, Nubia, Ind Kingdoms, Nippon, Khuresh, Kurgans, Hungs, Hobgoblins, Ungols, Amazons, Living Pirates, Halflings will get their own playable races in the future. Fimirs, Trolls and Gnomes. Famirs, Trolls and Gnomes hope in the future will receive their racial packs, and for which we can play in the game. I hope that the Fimir detachments will be removed from Norsca, and finally, the Fimirss will become an independent game race. We have a Throgg, trolls as an independent playing race with various types of trolls, monsters during the tide of the Boglar detachments (a variety of gnoblars. Sometimes they are called swamp dwarves) would be a very interesting game race as the antipod of the kingdom of ogres. Pigmes Pigmes both mercenaries for the Slann Empire and part of the line of units of human tribes of Southern Lands. In conclusion, I want to say how more worked out and more detailed the world of the FB if these forgotten game races, peoples, the idea to introduce in the Old World and in the Warhammer Total War. Thank you for reading my very long message with gramatic errors. I also want to say thank you for doing excellent content for fans!)

[@Tiberium10332]

Koalas as beasts of Nurgle would be so badass, if Lumbria is not-Australia. For people who don't know, Koalas can be quite disease ridden and currently have a big problem with Chlamydia, an STD.

[@Sara3346]

They're claws are really nasty too and they seem like the sorts that would urinate on you.

[@michaelwells529]

Literally looked at this exact map earlier today, saw the Lumbria reference and wondered what it was, only for you to post this video today and it to show up in my recommended. Spooky, haha

[@Aerowixx]

The map is so frighteningly close to earth, that my brain sometimes switches to earth and all I can see is europe etc. Then I'll have to forcefully switch it back to warhammer. Really great video 👍

[@flufflez013]

Good god, could you imagine what Australian beastmen would be like?

[@pogo8050]

Kangagors throwing Chaos Star shaped boomerangs

[@flufflez013]

@@pogo8050 probably some tzangors with emu heads, khorngor dingo’s, Slaaneshi koala’s etc 😂

[@jiado6893]

I had figured Warhammer's equivalent of Lemuria was how the Hinterlands of Khuresh seemed the stretch all the way down to almost Antarctica.

[@KS-PNW]

Always super cool to hear about these less covered topics. One of the reasons I love your channel. Thanks!

[@memedaddy6932]

Heck yeah, I love Lumbria and the Pygmies

[@farhadnikzad1514]

It would be awesome, if one day CA decided to add a new continent to the game based on a lore such as this.

[@BailensdeLykenos]

This video was my first time even hearing about Lumbria, didnt know that tiny annotation next to Nippon even existed. Could it be a reference to possibly Lemuria-esque continent? That would be my first guess, and the tales of 'Large Pygmys' is a little paradoxical, if theyre large pygmys does that mean theyre normal sized? Or perhaps a more savage/primitive variant of Dwarf? Either way, really interesting stuff.

[@complex314i]

In the map of our world label "Pacific Islands," the extra landmass, despite being labeled as Lemuria, is not Lemuria but a different fictional continent called "Mu." We know that this is Mu due to it's location in the Pacific Ocean. In contrast, Lemuria was theorized to span much of the Indian ocean between India and Madagascar. In the 19th century zoologists struggled to understand how/why lemurs were found around India and in Madagascar, but have never live anywhere in between. One proposed solution was the existence of a now submerged landmass spanning much of the ocean between Madagascar & India. Thus, land which permitted the lemurs to spread to their current habitats was given the name Lemuria. Note: Modern understanding of the continental drift of India, with Madagascar being a fragment of India left behind, completely explains this strange distribution of lemurs. However, continental drift did not gain broad scientific acceptance until after World War 2. In fact, in the decades prior to sonar seafloor mapping providing the first solid evidence for continental drift, it was very much regarded as a fringe theory almost certainly incorrect. In the absence of the notion that landmasses could move around the globe during the 1800s, the idea Lemuria is a reasonable scientific theory. Although a great many unreasonable other ideas quickly became attached to Lemuria.

[@oscarlenehan3507]

I think the southern chaos wastes is meant to be Australia, it's got a similar shape so lumbria could be more of a pacific island region rather than a single landmass

[@hjluke4807]

I heard of a great warlord from there, the warlord who will bring balance back to the world, who will destroy both order and chaos, he is LegendofTotalWar.

[@kaldiz]

Southern chaos wastes is Antarctica.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

@@kaldiz *PENGORS, RA-ROO!!*

[@fumarc4501]

Here me out… shallow ocean, big underground (Lost Empire Style), but filled with very big and smart bugs. Eh?

[@kaldiz]

@@HiddenEvilStudios

[@connorsproles9239]

It could be a Bermuda Triangle thing, where a giant storm keeps everyone out, explaining why nobody knows about it. Or they could just retcon it in. I think it could be a Kong island kind of thing

[@tobiashagstrom4168]

Kangaroo beastmen, let's gooooooooooooooooo

[@jameschristophercirujano6650]

You said it yourself, Lemuria was hypothesized to be in the Indian Ocean, it's the continent Mu that's the one in the Pacific. I stumbled upon it when I was reading Nihonkoku Shoukan, a Japanese Webnovel that got adapted into Manga.

[@jiado6893]

That map is good to look at to remember they sliced off the Western edge of the Old World region. In Total War, we're actually missing half of Bretonnia and poor, poor Araby.

[@dreamtraveler3169]

My idea of Lemuria has always been influenced by the Lemuria of Weyard from Golden Sun. (A similar alternate Earth fantasy world) A misty island nation with a strong oceanic sea theme. I could easily imagine the continent as being the home of the Merfolk and Fishmen should they be introduced to the setting as like this ancient empire that rules the eastern seas and competes with other groups like Cathay, the Dark Elves, and possibly whatever the Warhammer islanders and Polynesians look like. (Assuming the Fishmen themselves wouldn't incorporate aspects of Polynesian culture). Warhammer Australia and Polynesia could only be imagined at lol, but both of these lands have some rich cultural history to draw upon that I would love to see made.

[@deadlyydude5522]

I want to see kangaroo cavalry if they ever made Australia a warhammer faction lol

[@jordinagel1184]

@@deadlyydude5522better yet, kangaroo-men as fast shock troops… Also, this idea just popped into my head, but riding giant floating Portuguese man o’war jellyfish (I know they’re technically not jellyfish, but whatever) into battle sounds awesome, as those are also found around Australia

[@deadlyydude5522]

@@jordinagel1184 I thought you said riding giant Portuguese men for a second lmao, but yeah that would be cool

[@lasttarrasque6223]

If we consider that Lumbria will be inspired by Australia and is somewhat next to cathay, it could be interesting to include the dragon emperor as a figure analog to the Rainbow Serpent

[@alotosius]

Pygmie video incoming?

[@raphie8488]

I'll make a guess and suggest you roll the map so you get a rough round shape and you get to Lustri... Lumbria. There you will find the Pygmies in the magical land of Lustr... Lumbria. There is even more! Another even greater ocean and fast lands (if you can catch them)! Like Karabi! Posttonia and The Hampire of Spam!

[@heathenanimal792]

that it could just be the warhammer australia sounds insanely badass :) the wonderfully bizarre possibilities..

[@daimpthing]

So this is where Uncle contacted Lumbago!

[@MardukCOFB]

If they do it right, this might be exciting. Have it be a mix of giant pygmies and that world’s version of Polynesians. Have them riding Marsupials with giant Moai, with war dancers (guys doing the Haka) and a mage with a digerido

[@WearyWizard]

Lumbria is where a spacemarine drop pod crashed and were separated from their tech and imperium in general.

[@sanholo2483]

"warhammer australia" I shudder at the thought, just imagine the wildlife...

[@killSeal]

Lumbria is more likely a very small island (Easter Island or Christmas Island) as it's 'off the map' so it's not worth showing. Really, the best way to introduce Ind, Khuresh, Nippon and even Lumbria would be a new campaign setting (this would then bring Warhammer 3 to four campaigns).

[@blazednlovinit]

I would like to think the distortion from our world map would make warhammer Australia attached to the Southern Wastes, allowing things to remain interesting for them.

[@Paradoxe44]

I want some kind of underwater lovecraftian Atlantis populated by Sea Elves and Fishmen with a mix polynesian aesthetic

[@robadamson1]

Emus. There will be a kingdom of exceptionally nasty and warlike flightless birds that strike terror into all and sundry.

[@guitarjacksonblue]

How about Lumbria is where the first Halflings were created. Would explain their sole relation with the ogre kingdoms and maybe some offshoot Lumbrians traveled west became the pigmys and some met sigmar and followed him around after he saved them from "some great evil" since the halflings in the empire forgot what specific it was. Also a shifting mysterious continent with weird animals sounds very fitting for halflings. In warhammer the pathological cleptomans come from Australia instead of being brought there by the brits😂

[@FrejthKing]

I need to make a Pygmy army based on the older artwork, of course.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

So much Potential I hope its some Kind of Island society, that resemples those original native people of Oceania

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

I hope Lumbria ends up being the home of the Fishmen, because I would abso-FREAKING-lutely buy and paint an army of fishies.

[@Marmamartha]

Love how araby is like huge in this map. and old world is fairly small, compared to the games its vice versa

[@cyberash3000]

there was a VERY old map i once had that had lumbria on it but very vague, it was a limited edition map from the late 80s i had it but it got water damaged, and i threw it away. i got it in the early 90s from a games day, it had the land mass, but sort of covered by clouds blurred out ish but it showed the land i dont remember much about it it was io many years ago

[@Danothyus1]

Hear me out. kangaroo riders with bows or spear throwers for Lumbria units.

[@blazednlovinit]

3:00 We just going to glance over the "giant pygmies" thing?

[@failmanfinder338]

Imagine a Monster Kangaroo fighting back Skatbrand with its own feet

[@fuzzygremlin88]

I have seen recently in wh3 text in loading screen in regards to halfling mercenary Fassbinder as well! It makes me think the little people will make an appearance 😮🎉

[@kasperfriismgelbjerg3563]

Writing for the 3rd time. You should check out the new trailer for "chaos rising" a warhammer movie I know you love everything warhammer. You wont regret it.

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

I've seen it looks cool!

[@kasperfriismgelbjerg3563]

Would have loved to have seen a reaction video😁

[@wmandthings]

Just gonna say funny that Idoneth Deepkin were ready to go so soon after AoS launch

[@chillylagarto7728]

I could see something based on cultures of Oceania or even Polynesia what with it being in the middle of Fantasy's Pacific equal. Getting some of the monsters from those cultures could be pretty crazy. But for now I'd be satisfied with getting Ind and Khuresh.

[@ChrisKCook]

I think the Giant Pygmies are just one of many tribe in an an Island chain that is basically Warhammer Polynesia and/or Australia...

[@blazednlovinit]

6:40 IIRC the Southern Chaos Wastes have Dire Penguins

[@northumbriabushcraft1208]

I wanna see kamgaroo cavalry NOW!!! Especially semi intelligent kangaroos wielding melee weapons! Imagine giant pygmies riding demigryph sozed roos. Based

[@liambridgeman4529]

I thought it’s what cathay called lustria

[@jordanbrandon81]

With the new recent mention involving a great sea monster it re-enforces my theory on Fishmen. The Fishmen are said to be mysterious, attack out of no where and exist in the underground sea under Naggarond and Chupotyl in Lustria. So I propose the reason it hasn't been mapped out is its submerged. I propose an idea. That relates to Fishmen on the extremely unlikely chance they come to Total War. That they use a mix of Ogre Camps and be Hordes. So they establish these 'camps' called 'reefs' (or something) where they spawn and develop. Possibly risen through magic or by being on the backs of massive sea creatures. So my idea is Lumbria is simply a massive or gathering of these reefs. Why has no one been able to find it specifically? Cause it disappears. They have a rough idea where it's seen a bit but nothing concrete. Nothing on size or anything. Now it's possible there could be some actual landmasses there. Maybe a series of islands with their indigenous life that are kept isolated mostly by the Fishmen. Possibly being used by them. The mention of 'Giant Pygmies' I'm taking with a bit of salt. Like a lot of Kislev and Cathay stuff it could have been rewritten and may not be canon. That said an area occupied by lovecraftian style fishmen with a variant of Lore of the Deeps and controlling sea horrors. Unlike the Coast which raise dead ones these are alive. It's a cool concept that could make for some amazing looking art and minis. As the main end thing we know is of sea monsters there. And we know the Naga of Khuresh are more wide known and acting then we thought. Maybe the Fishmen have plans of their own...

[@danielbanbury378]

I think one of the things this video doesn't mention was there was a time when it was thought Lumbria was a misprint of Lustria, but its super interesting that there is mention in WH3 of Lumbria fully disproving the misprint theory.

[@rhagos5562]

looking at that map really makes me wish there was more space between Ulthuan and the Old World in total war

[@trailblazerlazerrazerd9027]

They definitely need some newer illustrations and faction inclusions. I'm very serious when I put out there that they need some “pseudo-Mexican/cowboy” Dwarves and some horned and furred Native American reminiscent tribes fighting and in a stalemate with the Dark Elves. As well as updates on the Southlands and the East with Nippon, Ind and Khuresh. And 2 more factions like the South Pacific Polynesians, Albion too is in desperate need of revival, and a version of Australia. We All know that place would be touched heavily with chaos but even chaos would wanna bother them 😏. And the humans there wouldn't even need to be mutants or chaos worshippers either 🤷🏾‍♂️😂 they just adapted heavy to the environment and take it in stride that there's stuff like 8 ft. tall flesh eating kangaroos or massive and ironically harmless spiders that can be used as scent dogs or wasps that shoot Tzeentchian style blue fire from their thoraxes yet make a drug-like honey in their hives. And that giant bug army in the Southlands would slap too. Chaos born but not controlled massive insects that come in all shapes and sizes, even humanoid and hate greenskins, vampires (likely from the pirates of the vampire coast) and humans almost equally. Not to mention a more Caribbean based region with voodoo pirates (probably learned some of Nagash's necromancy) who fight, rob and making deals with the aforementioned sea vampires and lizardmen as well as elves both High and Dark alike depending on the shaman captain but would likely side with the Empire in the End Times despite being more neutral and neither strictly aligned with chaos or order. But side with them they will because there's no one left to rob or sell to if everyone else is dead 😏😂. I NEED there to be GW fanfic competitions for this stuff. Not to mention them buying up fan designed custom minis and lore to use in the actual games. Lol

[@gstellar96]

Personally I was thinking of a dia de Los muertos Mexican/American cowboy faction. I was thinking more age of Sigmar where they are the main undead faction that directly opposes Nagash. I can just imagine a scene where a group of bandidos are chasing down a black coach in order to capture and liberate the souls they've imprisoned. For fun you could also have a group of mysterious nobles that command sand magic as a subtle nod to Tomb Kings that are still fighting Nagash the desert theme still fits too.

[@trailblazerlazerrazerd9027]

@@gstellar96 See now them being more dia de los muertos related makes a lot more sense in AoS because they'd literally be dead/reborn into a new life. I also kind of had a reborn from death faction idea for the Tomb Kings, like Settra the biggest and greatest of them and Nagash's constant enemy somehow making a sort of undead, sort of like vampire mummy, army and golden world not too different from Nehekara but different enough in several ways. I was also thinking of a Nubian faction that was a blend of humans and this cat humanoid species, which they intermarry but the majority of them aren't welcome in the Empire and even less in Kislev but in Araby and Cathay they love them there. An intelligent and order based race, unlike the various Beastmen or Ratmen/Skaven. Basically like if you took the barely spoken of Felinids from 40k and put them in the Old World. And back to the Mexicano Dwarves, they'd likely have many similar but also very distinctly different traditions, especially about women in warfare. However to their benefit and to the dismay of the more traditionalists in the old world dwarf holds, daughters of Valaya in Nagarond or The New World in general are more plentiful similar to how they are for the Chaos Dwarves (although we haven't seen any of them as unit types yet. And I do hate that, like Halo where you know there are females of every race in combat and lore, but the developers never bother to render any of them in art or active gameplay. Like Mahkee from Halo 5 Guardians, she was just a voice but never a presence. Yet she was supposed to be one of the Arbiter's most trusted warriors. And speaking of dwarves in a Warhammer setting, I can't wait to see more of the Leagues of Votaan aka the Squats - and I still don't like that name either 😅 lol. I really wanna see their super soldiers and mech units. It's believed that they gave the Tau much of their tech, especially their railgun and plasma rifles, It wouldn't surprise me if they also had a hand in designing the Tau's battle suits. The Tau as well need their own elites since chaos and tyranids are breathing down their necks too, that includes the Farsight Enclave. But I can't wait to see how they diversified between the traditionalist Tau and Farsight's loyalists). At the time, I think GW is sort of obsessing over what they already have instead of taking a chance on making something new because they're afraid of pissing off fans of the regular stuff like Empire, Elf, Chaos, Dwarf and Ork factions. Having said that, I do think that the Ogres need to be scaled back a bit. They're essentially too strong. 1000 Ogres are basically as strong as or stronger than like 10,000 human or elven infantry. And the dwarves, while strong can't even match them too well. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have high stats in strength and dexterity as well as resistance to certain things like disease. I just don't think they should be as powerful as they are. There's no way an Ogre bull should be able to match blows with a champion of the Greenskins like Paunch or Grimgor or a Beastmen warlord like Kazrak-One Eye. I also wonder if Gremlins might be a faction unit which would be another sort of subspecies like the Snotlings or Squigs. And we still haven't seen too much of the Hobgoblins either which are like Skitarii to Space Marines, well above human but not matching the Emperor's Angels, I mean to say comparing Hobgobs to actual Orks (and definitely Not the Black Orks). Speaking of which reminds me of the Halflings aka the Moot. They can apparently be crafty thieves, scouts and guerilla fighters. It'd be good if the lore had them win a few goblin wars or something like the lore from Lord of the Rings. The imperials could even give it a condescending nickname like the Pygmy War(s) in which the Moot were being feasted on by the Greenskins and returned the favor, then use their bones to fertilize their food and tobacco fields 😏.

[@totomen666]

Don't forget that there is OTHER side of planet that not been shown on this map, and underground/underwater kingdoms! Sky City!

[@volrosku.6075]

hmm if lumbria is effectively fantasy polynesia GW/CA could go a few interesting routes human like creatures partly but stabily mutated into marsupial humans effectively as a sorta beast creature or draw heavily of like the Maori and other polyneasian tribes and create a sorta oceanic empire based on the main island which like would be called lumbria (either new guinea or australia) both would be interesting. though there could also be lizardmen there as well also based off of the Maori which would give a whole different look than the meso american they have now

[@joestewart6319]

sounds like fun the empire sends a colony effort down there or something? Completely new faction something something old ones maybe expand that further as well, establish contact with the old ones?

[@RainbowMuse2]

I would love to see an empire total war segmented map addition to Warhammer three!

[@truemisto]

well done pointing out the possible lemuria connection. another pacific fabled continent is mu

[@Demalion1]

I would like to imagine it as a mixture of Australian and Polynesian themed culture

[@BahamutEx]

Didn't know the warhammer fantasy map was based on our world. :o

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

Lumbria is derived from Lemuria and thus has Lemur like Beastmen and a Polynesian/Aboriginal civilization of humans. Their culture includes stargazing and the "Dream-Time" elements of Aboriginal and Maori myth. They probably have some legendary King called Kamehameha or something. Massive land Crocs, enormous land birds and possibly Birdmen and Kangaroo-men oor even Wombat-men and Lumbrian Devils / Lumbrian Devilmen. They also have enormous deadly snakes and Massive Eagles that can carry off human beings.

[@hatac]

They indicate that they want more and new material to sell you we still don't have a proper and official halfling army. I have one if the need it. And it comes with a spice crusade.

[@ZendikarMage42750]

Would be hilarious is Lubria was exactly like Lemuria in that it too doesn't actually exist and the ogres are just fucking with people

[@ChrisKCook]

I always assumed that it was the Warhammer version of Lemuria.

[@jerrydelguercio5462]

either shadow and change are releasing early September. which is mad late. or they are going to release a trailer 2 to 3 weeks before release. with tons of more bugs.

[@isaacgorski6054]

Giant pygmies.. could probably just be ogres who use similar tactics as pygmies in a savage land

[@brett7773]

Might be based on the lands beyond the ice wall that adm. Byrd described.

[@mauser98kar]

Imagine Warhammer version of Australia. Yeah, it gives me creeps too.

[@codyt.1905]

It is a moving turtle island that is impossible to find i bet!

[@yogunihachimi6797]

My god. Imagine what kind of monstrosities exist in Warhammer Australia.

[@MrAdrianlk]

So in warhammer how related are giants to humans? Because their limb ratio in every model and artwork ive seen is much different. Usually humans dont have knee length arms. So giant pygmy to me doesnt say "large short human" it says "short giant". Perhaps thats the difference?

[@chocodoco4855]

I think it's Mallu's Oceania, a patch of ocean dotted by islands. The Ogres are mercenaries, and the only other people with dark skin they encounter are probably the Pygmies while fighting in Araby, thus when they see the Warhammer equivalent of an australian aboriginal, they think they are "giant" pygmies, when they are their own thing.

[@igorkharlamov9142]

Kinda agree, Australia or New Guinea.

[@blakeandersonJMU]

For TW3, any word on Adding achievements for IE campaigns, have been waiting for that for what seems like forever 😢

[@therasslintheatre2960]

Maybe the key of saving the Warhammer Fantasy world from its end lies in the depths of the Not-Australian outback, inhabited by Kangaroo beastmen and more poisonous species than Lustria

[@SkepticalChris]

Hmm does the Warhammer map use the mercator map projection?

[@leeroyjenkins6103]

Ez everyone who visits is overcome by the idea of island time. They stop fighting and never leave.

[@JustFun-wl3jf]

We just need a place for a new insect based hivemind race, i think thats something that is missing in warhammer. Make them really op but not able to ship the ocean. Maybe on an island or in the southern wastes where it constantly fights against chaos and resist.

[@ThatChapTom]

Like the insect queen from Orcslayer? That would be such an amazing left field choice for a new faction.

[@JustFun-wl3jf]

@@ThatChapTom yeah exactly, that would be a cool neutral/destruction race

[@Rowant-sh7vm]

for all we know the kureshi might be a hivemind race (obviously not an insect but still)

[@Yarrharh]

I'd like to think it's like skull island and full of warhammer kaiju. 👍

[@txsicshooter]

I always took Lumbria as a Hawaii replacement and from that I supposed that the Ogres would worship the next ending volcano. Samoa Ogre culture is lit no need to be maneaters with all this fish.

[@silverseer573]

I am all for introducing Warhammer Australia!

[@inductivegrunt94]

Should make for an interesting book should we be able to explore this mysterious land.

[@mnk9073]

Grim dark Australia? Oh f*ck no. Nope. Not a chance.

[@emperorofwends8875]

Warhammer Ausralia sounds like hell