Fear and fury in Armenia: the week Nagorno-Karabakh fell

The breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh has been dissolved after decades of bloody conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Subscribe to Guardian News on KZbin ► bit.ly/guardianwiressub
The collapse has led to almost all the ethnic Armenians living in the region to flee over the border into neighbouring Armenia. Many say they will never return.
The Guardian’s Andrew Roth and Christopher Cherry were at the border as the exodus began. They heard the stories of those fleeing their homeland, sometimes for the third and fourth time, in a conflict that has claimed the lives of thousands.
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[@khl170]

The lady at the end of the video said that I don't want any nation live this situation. But we Azerbaijanis lived the same situation back in 1992 and no one told about it. More than 1 million of ethnic Azerbaijanis were displaced from Karabakh and some killed in just one night. Everyone talks about ethnic cleansing but no one talks about Khojali genocide. Children, women who has baby and elderly people killed in the night during winter of February 26.

[@williamculbertson3066]

And back then Azerbaijan also expelled 500,000 Ethnic Armenians and it was more like 724,000 Ethnic Azerbaijani...

[@yesilcam3380]

Onlar yapınca özgürlüklerini kazanmak oluyor ama Türkler yapıca katliam ve etnik temizlik oluyor. Türklere olan düşmanlıkları asla bitmeyecek. Karabağ Azerbaycandır.

[@karimtabrizi376]

​@@williamculbertson30662 wrongs dont make a right grow up

[@Fantabiscuit]

Did they have to take ALL of it?

[@williamculbertson3066]

@@karimtabrizi376 right back at you in 2023

[@irvin099]

Armenian women crying and saying oh no i have been living in these lands for 30 years this is my home. And she is f**** 60. Where have you been living till you were 30?

[@Harris.S]

Exactly 👍 😂😂😂 she's lying

[@INeatFreak]

Finally a comment that sees this as what it is

[@user-yh9oz4zi3f]

👍👍😂

[@afigfarzullayev1815]

You talk about 100,000 people leaving, but why don't you mention almost 1,000,000 Azerbaijani people being forced to leave Qarabağ in in the early 1990s.

[@yesilcam3380]

Onu söylemezler çünkü hepsi Türklere düşmandırlar.

[@Fantabiscuit]

Cypriot to take back the north

[@ilgarilgar6262]

ay özün oləsən,qoduğ@@Fantabiscuit

[@uchihahan5284]

​@@FantabiscuitTürkiye var siz küçük topluluklar Türklerle yarışmayın

[@coffeehousedialogue5684]

Whataboutism. One injustice does not justify another. At some point, everyone on both sides needs to bury the hatchet.

[@kemalde]

30 years rent free is no longer available

[@OrthodoxPersian]

💀💀💀

[@umarandria4067]

Lesson: don't be a thief!

[@21boxhead]

LIKE DICTATOR ALIYEV

[@aartur1254]

Turkic nomads speaking about stealing... what an irony

[@ehatipo4598]

@@aartur1254we ve been in this geography more than 1000 years. we believe that this makes us native enough. if you dont feel thats your problem.

[@reyhane8626]

​@@21boxhead oğru olmayın yoxsa belə gűlűnc iyrənc vəziyyət olur😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@reyhane8626]

​@@aartur1254 yurdsuz hindistan qaçqınları!!

[@fixpontt]

this entire story is ultimately a failure of Russia and a victory of Turkey

[@maryamaghaian393]

Exactly! Not so much failure but Betrayal of Russia towards Armenia and shifting alliances to Turkey & Azerbaijan!

[@enginerikli5895]

Why? Russia just got rid of a bunch of crybabies whose greatest talent is to get themselves into trouble and cry and boohoo and beg outsiders for help.

[@kubilaykhan]

🇦🇿🇹🇷🇦🇿🇹🇷🇺🇿🇰🇿🇹🇲🇰🇬

[@kingkong2415]

🇹🇷🇦🇿❤️

[@reyhane8626]

44❤🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟😁😁😁😁

[@arnelll]

How many Azeries did lose their kids in early 90'? How many Azeries have lost their home in early 90'? I just watched a man get his house after 27 years...what do you think..who was in his house for 27 years?

[@alexkabanian4358]

Many Armenians also died 27 years ago 30 thousands, Sumgait massacre when Azeriz massacred Armenians

[@tywinlannister]

@@alexkabanian4358have you lost your mind? In Sumgayit, only 30 armenians were killed by some criminals. What should ordinary Azerbaijani people have to do?

[@paxcaucasus]

@@alexkabanian4358 Well start with Azeris being massacred and expelled from Kafan by armenians, because this event took earlier, and Sumgait was just a response. Anyways Karabakh is Azerbaijan, recognized as part of Azerbaijan by every member in UN, Azerbaijani jurisdiction and flag is over this territory, and soon it will be mostly populated by Azeris, who were expelled by armenians in 90s. That all what matters, and the rest of the world can bark whatever it wants and armenians can continue to shed their crocodile tears, I and most Azeris can care less.

[@Fantabiscuit]

Yep. Cypriot Greeks to get back north Cyprus 🇨🇾

[@umarandria4067]

​@@Fantabiscuitgood luck! 😂

[@icerevolution]

"I would accept my son's death if it meant I was the last parent to feel pain so deep"....

[@SkSafowan]

Well done Azerbaijan, these Western media is busy covering one side of the story, No one gonna talk about the Armenians atrocities of 1991

[@videolus]

Azeris began the war and always, Armenians had protected himself.

[@Elianadam200]

I'm armenian Syrian I support Iran and palestine

[@Bielanski-bandzior]

Armenians had so much time to work on a peaceful settlement. Interestingly, even some Armenian presidents (like Ter-Petrosyan) were aware of the fact, that without peaceful settlement, that conflict would make the region explode. They thought that being an old nation solves all problems, while Azerbaijan learned the lesson. Here are the results.

[@lvi25]

Armenians love to play the oppressed side all the time.

[@kristaporkhach]

Typical azerbaijani mindset, far from peace.

[@lucaazeri1700]

100% RIGHT ! RESULT IS armenian HUMILIATION , AND DISGRACE !

[@sarioglanli38]

peace what armenia knows about piece do you know how many azerbaijani has been killed by armenians didnt you hear anything about hocali massacre armenians killed more than 30.000 civilian azeri people

[@kristaporkhach]

@@sarioglanli38 A) your grammar is horrible B) the first war in 1988-1994 resulted in 30,000 causalities (Armenians and Azerbaijanis), largely military personnel C) Spell peace correctly

[@diesterntaler]

Karabagh is INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED as part of Azerbaijan. Period.

[@ems4884]

Stop shouting. If you want a lasting peace you go to peace accords. That's been part of international diplonacy for a couple centuries. Not complicated

[@zet99darius87]

​@@ems4884Iran wants it land back from couple of centuries ago

[@nesa.7937]

Artsakh was separated from Armenia and gifted to Azerbaijan SSR by the Soviet government so it is debatable. Also, the majority of the population was Armenian and they had the right of self-determination.

[@Sar.onetwo]

Great excuse to terrorize the people.

[@enginerikli5895]

@@zet99darius87 Well, it was not Iran couple of centuries ago. Turkic dynasties ruled that your for almost a thousand years, just until 1920s. You should pray we won't claim Iran back.

[@ermancetn]

The woman on the phone said that their sons died, but she didn't mention that "those sons" are actually soldiers that occupying another country's territory

[@gazi8412]

Invaders are being glorified... as always....

[@83cosdino]

But that territory is their own country too.

[@terminatorninja6746]

Armenians have been living there before Azerbitchyan existed

[@83cosdino]

@@terminatorninja6746 he will not get it. He is Turk...

[@warrynn6562]

@@83cosdinoin the first Karabakh war, more than 1 million Azerbaijanis were displaced, and you are crying over 120,000 Armenians. Learn some facts, and stop looking like the victim. More Azerbaijanis than Armenians died, and this could all have been avoided, if Armenia simply respects Azerbaijan’s internationally recognized borders.

[@csandst1]

I had no idea this has been going on for years. No news media, print or broadcast, report this. Why?

[@user-ew3mj7cc2f]

Потому что всем выгодно, чтоб армяне вымерли! Чтоб завоевать наши земли! Алиев купил всех!

[@Chthonian121]

Powerful Azerbaijani lobby in the DC, paid for by oil money

[@williamdavis9562]

@@Chthonian121 Armenia's lobby power in America is about 1000x more than what the Azeris are able to muster with their money. The fact no one is covering this much has nothing to do with either. It is simply seen as a not so important region of the world and a conflict between two not so important nations.

[@sevinibrahim9160]

​@@Chthonian121your are so funny. All the crimes you are doing put you on Azerbaijan. And you did that so accurate because you are doing that for decades. Which lobby? Almost all the countries are hearing your lies beacuse of your lobby and diaspora. About every armenian who got an heart infarct, blood nose, any injury in kitchen is there a video in english 'ethnic cleansing'.

[@azmanabas8425]

Isreal is supporting Azerbaijan, Iran is supporting Armenia... So, you should know who has the upper hand

[@DeAgingTechnology]

It is definitely a grave tragedy!! The question is though: will you also show grieving Azeri’s mother and graveyards? Or will just continue pushing one sided narrative?

[@EugeneJean-jv6ys]

I think Armenians need to criticize themselves about the problem. Nagorno-Karabakh was an autonomous region before the war. Armenians in Azerbaijan lived in peace with Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijanis in Armenia lived in peace with Armenians. The radical separatist attitude of the Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians led to the 1st Karabakh war. As a result, Azerbaijani Armenians living outside Nagorno-Karabakh were forced to migrate to Armenia, and Azerbaijanis living in Armenia, Karabakh and the regions surrounding Karabakh were forced to migrate to areas of Azerbaijan that were not occupied during the war. There were many attempts to reach a ceasefire in the war, but the separatists in Nagorno-Karabakh continued their occupation. As is well known, they also committed large-scale massacres such as the Khojaly Massacre with the aim of ethnic cleansing. As a result, they gained control over an area far above the Armenian majority and expelled hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis. This exile and war consumed Azerbaijan. It ended the democracy process in Azerbaijan. Today, while Georgia and Armenia have democracy, the reason for the lack of democracy and authoritarian rule in Azerbaijan is the Karabakh war, and it was the Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians who started this war. It is normal that they are afraid to live under the authoritarian rule in Azerbaijan now, but this is because of their own actions. The culture of democracy had become a luxury in Azerbaijan, which was exhausted by the war and had to deal with the poverty of nearly a million exiled people. In addition, from 1994, when the ceasefire was signed, until 2020, the Armenians of the region were not interested in any settlement. When a settlement was approached in 1997, Levon Ter-Petrosyan was dismissed from his post. Whenever peace efforts accelerated, the radical Armenian authorities in Nagorno-Karabakh blocked peace by forcing the Armenian state. However, until the 2010s, Azerbaijan was willing to give Nagorno-Karabakh a lot of autonomy. All they wanted was that the region around Karabakh, which had been cleared of Azerbaijanis, be returned to Azerbaijani rule and that Nagorno-Karabakh remain officially part of Azerbaijan. However, the maximalist Nagorno-Karabakh Armenian authorities did not agree to this. Politically, they served Russia's interests. They did not care about their own people and Azerbaijanis. Russia, as it seems, put Pashinyan in a difficult situation by allowing Azerbaijan to intervene in the region in Armenia's attempt to gain some independence from Russia. Please criticize yourself a little bit, Armenian friends, please. I am very sorry for what happened, but you have forgotten the nearly one million people who have been driven from their homes for 30 years. You did not care. You thought that the occupation will last forever and the Azerbaijanis have no rights on those lands because these lands belong to Greater Armenia.

[@symo9097]

Very well explained! I am an Iranian.

[@ribamariyam321]

​@@symo9097shia ???

[@symo9097]

@@ribamariyam321 Yes!

[@msmsa520]

Very well explained

[@diesterntaler]

Superb

[@etemkonus9115]

Those who criticize the Russians occupying Ukrainian lands are the same people who remained silent while Azerbaijani lands were invaded 30 years ago.

[@aygunmammodova6923]

So true

[@user1musicV]

100% 👍

[@stanchpandora3658]

It was never Azeri land so of course they were silent

[@vicken10]

@etemkonus9115 same people who remained silent while azeris committed ethnic cleansing a few days ago. And when interests shift, those same people will judge aliyev in court for his war crimes. The azeri people will pay the price. But congratulations! You have conquered land until then.

[@MaaanMaanMan]

What azerbaijani lands are you talking about? Is it so difficult to open even the Wikipedia and read that Artsakh has always historically been Armenian? Stop spreading lies

[@AdamSahr-cj4kf]

The butchers of 1992 crying me rivers now...

[@jessiepinkman979]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Long live Turks

[@sumanmia4822]

This is called KARMA.

[@maryamaghaian393]

Eh no that would be Azerbaijan cutting throats, ears and noses and skinning Armenians alive! You are the Real Butchers!

[@ozzyozboy6471]

What goes around comes around

[@Sakaaruser22]

@@jessiepinkman979your azerbejani

[@radiobornomala1454]

Many Azari killed by Soldiers of Armenia in 90s

[@universe11071]

​@ArmJusticeSumgait events were the work of the Soviet Union. Before Sumgait there were Kafan events in 1987-1988, when armenians displaced a lot of Azerbaijanis.

[@murmurha2084]

not only killed but brutaly murdered, ears nd noses cut off, pregnant womans belly slit..

[@aygunmammodova6923]

Just remmember Khojally tragedy which happened towards innocent Azerbaijanis in cold febuary day in of 1992

[@christophetetu3948]

That was you did to Armenians people in villages.@@murmurha2084

[@Sar.onetwo]

This isn't the oppression Olympics, both sides suffered the consequences of war in the 90's. Only one side is repeating it in the 2020's.

[@mahirmammadzada7585]

In the footage, she said I do not want want to experience this in any nation in the world, fun fact! We Azerbaijani people experienced these feelings 30-35 years ago and there were no western media showed those cruelties!

[@ninaazar4117]

Lies

[@maryamaghaian393]

Yes because you guys were harassing and killing Armenians! That’s how this whole conflict started 30 years ago! Armenians were protecting themselves and their homes! Fun Fact: kharbakh has been Armenian occupied for Centuries. It inly passed to Azerbaijan in the 1940s when Stalin Gifted it to Azerbaijan!

[@mahirmammadzada7585]

@@maryamaghaian393 Just go search UN resolutions which clearly states that Karabakh is Azerbaijan. Therefore, I am not going to discuss with you any further.

[@bdr404]

​@@maryamaghaian393Armenians are always victims, right?

[@mustafakzlrmak6093]

​@@maryamaghaian393Armenians deserve what they experience. Turks never forget, just wait a right time...

[@firmangobi6477]

All western medias showing only Armenian side shows that western countries are neglecting the fact that in the 90’s Azeris were massacred by Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[@marigasparyan1536]

we all know that nothing is happening in azerbejan they have a larger economy and u wouldn’t know bc u haven’t experienced it i came to America when i was 3 bc armenia supports America and America supports Armenia we are all going to make peace for Armenia and we will try our best to. My school is doing a donation for Armenia and we saved up more than 2,000 and we are just elementary schoolers. lots of love and support from my family, friends, USA, And i. WE CAN DO THIS HAYER JAN!♥️♥️♥️🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 12:23

[@reshadytb7349]

Xocalıda elədiylərinizi hamı bilir​@@marigasparyan1536

[@reshadytb7349]

Tenks

[@Dibipable]

Prayers for Armenia. amen. ⛪️✝️ From a french.

[@tttt-uw9zw]

at the end she told ı dont want any nation to experience this. I could not agree more than this, 28 years ago when armenia occupied the azerbaijani terrotories, they didnt give the chance to escape to azerbajani civillans

[@zubirsaid8491]

I'm agree with you, shame on her. More than 500k Azeri people lost their home and land when Armenian occupied Azerbaijan territory.

[@mohdzaini9974]

@@zubirsaid8491 still remember....

[@z.a.9582]

In 1988 Azerbaijan started the war. First genocides were in Sumgait, Baku, Kirovabad and finally in Nagorno Karabakh. Many thousands armenians were killed and lost their home. And today Aliev, together with Turky continue to do the same.

[@veyselturan6916]

​@@z.a.9582nope. Before Sumgait, there was deportatiom of Azeris from Kafan.. And the Idea of Miatsum already was born.

[@z.a.9582]

It is hard to believe, that such a small and poor country as Armenia, could attack such a large and rich country as Azerbaijan. Rather, it was the opposite.@@veyselturan6916

[@Incognito-ko6ky]

Lesson :Do not invade other people’s country and occupy it for a decade cause it will hurt when they will take back Their land from you

[@nesa.7937]

Lesson: Do not comment on a topic you don't know enough about cause you will say something wrong.

[@smarkosyan]

Artsakh has always been Armenia. Stalin placed the enclave within Azerbaijan.

[@chingghishan5707]

I see you blindly accept Stalins Border policy.

[@sevinibrahim9160]

@@smarkosyan you came there in 1828. You placed even an monument in Karabach in 1978 to celebrate your 150 year existence in the region. All the armenians (actually hayes) in Karabach even in Yerevan were sent there.

[@donjames7678]

​@@sevinibrahim9160 Armenians suffered a lot in 1915 Armenian genocide committed by the Ottoman Caliphate. They lost their holy mountain of Ararat.

[@nailhuseynsoy1764]

When Azerbaijani Turks were expelled from their ancestral lands in Armenia in 1988-1992, no one raised their voice. Even when Azerbaijani Turks were expelled from Nagorno-Karabakh and seven regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan that do not belong to Nagorno-Karabakh, no one raised their voice. But now they consider us guilty. But what were the Armenians thinking when they beat us in the cold of winter, tortured us, took our money and jewelry, and forced us to cross the mountains on foot, barefoot, in home clothes?!

[@soiz0611]

Same you did with Armenian in Baky expelled from their home,you did in Sumgait same Armenian live in that land more than 1500 year ,stones are witnes,you dont have any histoey ther

[@agshinaliyev3502]

@@soiz0611 Sumgait city founded 50 years ago. How can armenians lived area so long which has not been exist more than 1500 year?

[@Dudaev-xs5zq]

​@@soiz0611 Со своей историей ты можешь обмануть католичку europu, История это реалии.😂

[@luongo7886]

@@agshinaliyev3502Read and study history. Armenians have been living inthe region for OVER 2,000 YEARS! They even fought against the Romans when the Turkic peoples were still in Central Asia! I'm not saying what the Armenians did was right but this is ARMENIAN ANCESTRAL HOMELAND for OVER 2,000 YEARS!

[@agshinaliyev3502]

@@luongo7886 Actually yes there was armenian kingdom in Roman period. But their kingdom covered east Anatolia mostly, not caucasian region. May be borders has changed more and less over years but mostly East Anatolia. Armenian later are forced to move here by Tsar according to russian documents and treaty with ottomans And who said we are full turk we are mixing of Iskit Albanians, Atropatenians ( Roman period documents ,which have approved existence of Armenian, also confirmed existence of these countries) and turks exodus. Just issue is that. Last one is turk so, as result now our language is one of branch of Turkish language.

[@osmangungor8418]

You are only showing one part, not the other part. What a shame

[@matthijsvanoostende9292]

Can you show me the other part?

[@fajarkurniawan9434]

Western Media in a nutshell

[@HopefulInterventions]

@@fajarkurniawan9434 The UN of Azerbaijan composed of Albania, Pakistan, Hungary, Turkey for God’s sake! All pro Azerbaijani nations! Shows your true colors! Over 200 Armenians were killed on 9/19 and half were civilians and 10 were children! 😡

[@r2com641]

What did you expect from hypocrite western media?

[@senmors4826]

@@HopefulInterventions Western Media change sides all the time. They continue killing and killing. Look at the Middle East, North Africa, Rest of Africa, and other parts of the 'undeveloped world'. There is A reason of why we hate the West. You think we like Western Support for Azerbaijan? No they don't care about us. Armenia killed a lot of Azerbaijanis, but do you talk about that?

[@edwardsnowden8821]

Azerbaijan never shelled towns or villages, it shelled the military positions of the separatist in an effort to restore its constitutional authority over its internationaly recognized territory.

[@gazi8412]

True ! UN has the same report, but, the liars are the liars. Armenians in Nogorno Karabakh are frightened as their Karma is striking back.

[@Leoterio76]

HAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES YES AND SANTA CLAUS WERE BORN IN AFRICA.

[@zubirsaid8491]

👍👍👍

[@hasmikstepanyan1628]

You are lying😡😡

[@MayoDealer]

Bro , its the leftist / western media. They will not show the "civilian cars" baggage with dozens of grenades They will not show busses full of "civilians" with kalashnikovs They will not show the dozen "civilian" buildings with preppred IEDs and C4 Bombs Its all about victimization, calling "genocide" at every step an armenian takes At the same time, the gas from your local distributator is partly and most likely from azerbaijan if you are living in europe

[@timur6532]

From April to November 1993, the UN Security Council adopted four resolutions on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which were not implemented by Armenia: UN Security Council Resolution 822 of April 30, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar region and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 853 of July 29, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupation forces participating in the conflict from the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 874 of October 14, 1993 - called on the parties concerned to make the ceasefire effective and permanent; UN Security Council Resolution 884 of November 12, 1993 also condemned the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Goradiz of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

[@manotenkerian]

😂😂what about illegal occupation of "northern cyprus"? What about liberation of kurdistan? Oh i forgot only turks can illegally occupy

[@timur6532]

@@manotenkerian What about? Who said it is illegal? Just you? On what term it is illegal? It is not what you said...just because you decided.... there suppose to be consensus.....

[@manotenkerian]

@timur6532 you stated that nagarno karabach is illegally occupied by armenian separatists. Isn't turkey illegally occupying north cyprus according to the UN and international law?

[@NihatTaghiyev-cr8ds]

@@manotenkerianturkey is not us. and we don’t officially recognize northern cyprus lil bro

[@dantepr1566]

​why the cyprus issue should worry azerbaijanis?

[@azmanabas8425]

Karabakh is internationally recognised as Azerbaijan territory.

[@timonalexandr151]

Artsakh has always been a part of Armenia. Stalin wrongly ceced the enclave to Azerbaijan.

[@timonalexandr151]

@@vanuhiasiryan2967 :)

[@Elianadam200]

​@timonalexandr151 true your respect. Even though karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, it's not worth killing Armenians who live in karabakh its not worth killing. I'm half syrian Armenian and some turks on the internet hate syria and armenia because of their history. But turks on the internet doesn't seem to hate the Greeks, despite their history. Some turks make fun of the genocide, they are human lives.

[@dayamra9747]

So is Israel. Palestine isn't. Does that mean that the Palestinian people who are natives of the land have no rights. Might does not make right!

[@jstf2418]

@@timonalexandr151 😂😂😂😂😂

[@timstyl423]

In the 1980s and 1990s, when the Turks of Azerbaijan were murdered and expelled from their historical land, which is now called Armenia, the world was silent... not a single Turk remained in Armenia and around Garabagh... the murderers and barbarian Armenians who did this in the past should not go unpunished...

[@coffeehousedialogue5684]

By that logic, Turkey had it coming for the Armenian Genocide. How about, instead of being all vindictive, we just get on with our lives?

[@muharremsimsek3032]

​@@coffeehousedialogue5684Turkey and Azerbajian is not same country. Similar but not same. Imagine attacking to Taiwan for what China is doing. Or attacking to Scotland for what England did. Its not justify. But yeah I think we all should move on and get rid of all religious and ethnic dogmas of past.

[@hrachzakaryan7968]

You cannot claim these are you historial lands if you are not native to the caucaus lol... Armenians are.. Is the concept of history really so strange to you?

[@JUNG_EUN_BI]

armenians' dream of "GREATER ARMENIA" seems to be shattered 🤔

[@nikoabbasli7237]

why nobody wants to talk about 1992 ???

[@xaqanaydn]

Что думают армяне, когда смотрят на карту региона, в котором живут? Там с 4 сторон турки, как они сюда попали, им следует благодарить своих русских дядей и французских дядей. слева - Турция, справа - Азербайджан (с населением 10 миллионов), вверху - Борчалы (сейчас в Грузии. Сейчас там более полумиллиона азербайджанцев) следующая часть - наше самое раненое место - Южный Азербайджан (сейчас там 45 миллионов азербайджанцев) Будь проклят фарси, аминь. Из всех этих показателей необходимо сделать выводы. Но быть армянином - значит быть бесстыдным. Как вам не стыдно. Русский, перс, армянин, они враги тюрка.

[@GaviHernandez-ry9lm]

🇦🇿🤝🇹🇷👍

[@areghar6183]

ничего подожди немножко будеш разделен между Арменией и Ираном

[@Ateo2202]

​@@areghar6183 армянские сказки

[@Mandeepsingh1023]

Its heart wrenching to see the suffering and uprooting of Armenian people from their native lands i pray for peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan

[@bayramvaliyev2670]

I hope your heart is also wrenching to see the suffering of those 1 million Azerbaijanis who has been forced to flee their homes in early 90th, those thousands killed Azerbaijanis in Khojali and in other occupied areas.

[@scorpiogirl0784]

Yes, this territory is ancient Armenian land with ancient churches and monasteries that date back hundreds of years. Azerbaijan has begun destroying these holy sites.

[@nilaxmedova5372]

​@scorpiogirl0784 , have you seen all that with your eyes???? And you don't admit that it is manipulation, disinformation ???? They're showing only one side of the story. Is it OK, if foreigners who live in your country establish their government and announce that your land is their own historical land"?????? Would you accept it?????? Just put yourself in our shoes......

[@narinehovhannisyan2368]

​@@bayramvaliyev2670azerbaidjan is 100 years old, what are you talking about? You don't have your native lands, it us given you by turkey and russia to live and you try to take more. And you will loose everything.

[@bayramvaliyev2670]

@@narinehovhannisyan2368 I highlighted the fact in my previous message above. 1813-1828 when Russian Empire entered to South Caucasus, did they see any Armenian state there? They saw Georgia and different Azerbaijan Khanates including Iravan Khanate (today's Armenia Republic) and Karabakh Khanate (the region of today's Azerbaijan). Facts, facts

[@ayshadhasratov3291]

Azerbaijan completed territorial integrity and sovereignty according to the principle of international law. Hopefully treaty of peace will be signed next year between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Local Armenian People are our citizens and they have the right to live in Karabakh under Azerbaijan sovereignty and their rights will be ensured according to the constitution. More importantly, hundreds of people were murdered because of this conflict. Neither Azerbaijan, nor Armenian mothers will lose their son. Peace will be brought back to the Caucasus

[@auto952]

Do you also support the restoration of the territorial integrity of Cyprus? Or no because Turks are your pals?

[@darkstar4102]

@@auto952 Depends as one, Greek Cyprus did genocide to Turkish on that island, so unless security is secure that is impossible

[@coffeehousedialogue5684]

Yeah, the same type of "territorial integrity" that would result in NATO getting dragged into your fight via Turkey, like how Ukraine is dragging the United States into their own conflict, if you had your way. Pardon me if I don't feel anything positive about this.

[@MaaanMaanMan]

⁠@@darkstar4102what about the Armenian genocide where turks killed not only Armenians, but Greeks and Assyrians?

[@natialex2079]

@@darkstar4102Значит безопасность армян была обеспечена, поэтому они в полном составе оставили свои дома, землю? И всё это по международному праву? Цинизму нет предела.Азербайджан 9 месяцев держал армян в блокаде, 19 сентября выключил свет, связь, устроил погромы и резню населения приграничных деревень. Силы самообороны без наличия горючего не смогли обеспечить безопасность населения и вынуждены были отступить. К этому добавился политический кризис, смена руководства Арцаха под давлением русских. До сих пор нет объяснения действиям руководства Арцаха. Чтобы ты и твоя семья оказались точно в такой ситуации.

[@brianhawley2499]

No one on the planet should be aloud to have weapons period.

[@shahriyarmammadov565]

I wonder why the world do not ask the armenians that what they're doing in the land of Azerbaijan for 30 years?

[@jjfelldownawell]

“ I get answers as the flag waves”

[@enginerikli5895]

I look around, and around but I fail to see a city that even distantly looks like Fallujah after the two American onslaughts. Sorry but Hankendi doesn't even remotely look like a war-torn bombed-out city.

[@NLO291]

I love how people are sending others to war why don’t they go themselves?

[@lttrhd]

Because that is the only thing they can do - to yell and scream

[@Catboy5654]

Armenia was banking being able to seize some land and then hide behind Russia to dodge the retaliation. You could say that plan backfired somewhat.

[@GenirePasaevaTofiyANS]

@@Catboy5654дякую друже

[@SYN022]

How can you have more than one homeland? Ungrateful people

[@bigphinis675]

It belongs to Azerbaijan plain and simple

[@eric6616]

Azerbaijan is a province in IRAN

[@irreligiousman3395]

​@@eric6616There is no country, called iran. It is South Azerbaijan.

[@darkstar4102]

@@eric6616 Yet they crushed Armenia so hold that

[@eric6616]

@@darkstar4102 they crushed starved militia of Artsakh. Azerbaijan for 35 years couldn't move an inch against the militia of artsakh veterans. Azerbaijan is no match for Armenian army. they got the low lying fruit and that was only because Turkey and Israel got in. azerbaijan is now an Turkish Israeli operation. Iran will take it over to prevent cancer from spreading.

[@fajarkurniawan9434]

Native American 1900s : "I've lost a child, and now a homeland"

[@r2com641]

Except that native Americans lived there for thousands of years but Armenians never lived in those lands, they were brought there by Persians just 150 years ago

[@RAWFestival]

​@@r2com641thats not true. Greater armenia existed long before azerbaijan ever did. Azerbaijan is built on the area of greater armenia. Armenia is more then tripple the age azerbaijan is. Azerbaijan has zero culture en heritage

[@r2com641]

@@RAWFestival nonsense

[@RAWFestival]

@@r2com641 its not armenia existed in the 1500-1600s azerbaijan didnt.

[@weplo1597]

@@RAWFestival 1500-1600's? You meant Ottoman empire owned your area?

[@safarovadigozel3211]

Tell me about the events of 1990-1994

[@anonymousman2521]

They should send those who are shouting to the frontline 😂

[@ImportantNEWS1]

Why don't you show how the Azerbaijanis were expelled from Xocali in time?

[@haroutunsarkisyan8050]

tbh karabagh is part of azerbaijan. armenia tried to steal it and several districts around karabagh too

[@Black32989]

Azerbarani troll

[@afrozkarim2106]

Armenia is a culprit they killed innocent people of Azerbaijan in 90 and capture the land with the help of Russia and Europe now time change the real owner get their lands but stuff huge loss, Love one , time , happy moments everything now time reverse

[@simpmaster7995]

When a Paztani has no work.

[@lulumanluluman8486]

This one-sided media is simply sickening, disgusting journalism at its finest. it's just about making one side bad.

[@videolus]

other side is only killing and closing the ways .

[@williamdavis9562]

This isn't journalism. It is nothing short of crafting false narratives. It is what they do, it is their first reflex. It is almost like they can't help themselves. But this is the age of the internet, spoon feeding people half truths and false narratives simply doesn't work anymore. Which is why the ratings of these types of media outlets are tanking. People want facts and the truth, not false narratives.

[@coffeehousedialogue5684]

They don't have to do that when you pull a whataboutism.

[@sevog9508]

Thank you so much Guardian for the report made a grown men cry n cry I wish peace and safety

[@Samirustem]

Azerbaijan lost 2 more civilians to armenian mines today.

[@sylvia0000]

​@@Samirustemа кто вас туда звал?то ли ещё будет,вы сдохнете там ВСЕ

[@sevinibrahim9160]

​@@Samirustemthose are not important for Guardian, the armenian lies are much more interesting. Terroristen of Karabach are crying.

[@bahagia2]

The land you seized from their 30 years ago. Now they have come to liberate the land. How do you turn this story around. Even though it's only 30 years old. Shame on you

[@nuru-di2ci]

Какой ахсаг какой махсаг

[@otukenforests4132]

Guardian , here is your homework. Study the meaning of “Internationally recognized borders!”…. “Internationally recognized borders!”…. “Internationally recognized borders!”…. “Internationally recognized borders!”…. “Internationally recognized borders!”…. “Internationally recognized borders!”….

[@mybad2603]

Why have wars only been happening in poor countries for the past 80 years?

[@soiz0611]

Turkey is powerful country and protect Azerbaijan

[@basshunterdota625]

​@@soiz0611Armenia chose wrong partner Russia , had it been with US side , Azerbaijan would never dare to even think of attacking.

[@DailyMe25]

Disaster and horror was in Khodjaly in 1992 where 612 civilians including 106 women and 63 children were killed that was real horror and Massacre

[@mahmutgulerce]

Wow, the pretty journalist woman with make-up looks like just stepped out of her hairdresser salon, but she asks a corridor for humanity's aid. The other guy added that "no electricity, bad infrastructure" just after he had a video call on WhatsApp in a rural area. Well, I never underestimate their feelings and I can understand how those people suffer from wars, but that was a single-sided and exaggerated video. Seems like The Guardian hasn't asked Azerbaijan one single question even a phone call. So, there is not a single word from the other side inside the context. We know that these kinds of single-side manipulations are not helping any side. This video shows the issues like Azerbaijan invading Armenia and killing everyone. In fact, Karabag is internationally recognized as a part of Azerbaijan, and vice versa, Armenia invaded that region 30 years ago. There are no countries that have recognized Karabag ever. Even Armenia has not claimed anything on that land. But the same Armenia did absolutely nothing for 30 years to solve this issue peacefully. UN called Armenia to retreat their army like 50 times.

[@rajborborua8689]

Exactly what I was thinking. Only one-sided reporting here that too with the help of make-up artist.

[@TheMistAnchorite]

Artsakh is Armenia❤

[@timur6532]

From April to November 1993, the UN Security Council adopted four resolutions on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which were not implemented by Armenia: UN Security Council Resolution 822 of April 30, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar region and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 853 of July 29, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupation forces participating in the conflict from the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 874 of October 14, 1993 - called on the parties concerned to make the ceasefire effective and permanent; UN Security Council Resolution 884 of November 12, 1993 also condemned the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Goradiz of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

[@TheMistAnchorite]

@@timur6532 that doesnt mean it is your land. They where there first, from the beginning

[@timur6532]

@@TheMistAnchorite That doesnt mean at all you are right.... where is your prove? Have you witnessed what you said???! UN resolution is a MUST ORDER!

[@timur6532]

@@TheMistAnchorite Ne mutlu Turkum diyene! This is Azerbaydjan and we have a right from UN ! You like it or not....

[@TheMistAnchorite]

@@timur6532 the European court found you guilty of ethnic cleansing. You started a war without warning targetting civillians. What about that? News today

[@confidential719]

Armenians were here first...simple.

[@deinterlace]

Lan oğlum, kaşındınız, Hocalıyı unuttunuz mu? Sürgün edilen 1milyon Azeri Türkünü unuttunuz mu? Kim size USA ile dans edip Putin'i karşınıza alın dedi.

[@tttt-uw9zw]

can you make also news abaout the armenian crimes like planting mines, torture, stealing, bombing the cities randomly, occupaing karabakh for 28 years….

[@coffeehousedialogue5684]

Whatever happened back then would not be news by that point, but history.

[@vj.joseph]

We all know the story very well. Don't fool around that much.k?

[@FredCadillac]

For the last 30 years none of you MoFos never said nothing ! Why now ?

[@MdmonowarHussain-kx9wz]

Remember 1988 -1994.

[@ele114]

I think this exodus is not due to threats or whatsoever. It's rather a matter for Armenians of how you're going to look into the eyes of those who now will return to their homes in Karabag, and whom you once upon a time expelled.

[@HopefulInterventions]

Give me a break! Azerbaijan started the war where both sides suffered! Between 1988-1992 thousands of Armenians were brutally murdered and over 400K expelled from Azerbaijan. My mom’s own uncle witnessed Armenian children being burned alive in Sumgait in 1989 before the first war! But of course Azerbaijan hides these facts!

[@ele114]

@@SN-tv9eb This and many other issues will soon be answered in court trial of the accused Karabag's armenian terrorist leadership. Including who killed who covered / helped turn blind eye.

[@ele114]

@@HopefulInterventions The matter is that in Sumgait case official court verdict has been made while in case of Xocali and other armenian crimes - not. This gap needs and will soon be fulfilled in Azerbaijan court. Regarding who started, I personally witness from armenian classmates when learning at school in Baku that their parents were contributing money to Karabag separatist movement on a monthly basis. This was in the middle of 1980's. So it was Armenian people who started.

[@KavkAzeri]

​​​@@HopefulInterventions1. Why would Aze start a war in Karabakh if it is its own legitimate territory. 2. If the armenians of Karabakh did not start the riots and request for independence from Aze the Azerbaijanis would not mind at all. 3. It happens all the time with Armenia . At some point in history (1915 Ottomans, 1992 Karabakh) you decide to bite the hand which feeds you with the promises of others. You betrayed Turks in Anatolia which resulted to mutual killings. You rised against Aze in 90s which resulted to Karabakh issue and as a result you lost. Everytime you find a new lap to sit on and go against Turks. You still tell the genocide tales today. In 100 years you will keep on telling ppl that in 2023 in Karabakh you faced a genocide. Luckily everything is transparent and recorded so your lies wont matter.

[@muradsharifzada8447]

She said: It was very difficult to prepare to return. With this phrase she accepts that she does not live where she belongs. She returns from where she came.

[@anaitavakian3985]

No, she said it would be difficult to return home - Artsakh.

[@dirtysunrise99]

That was an incredibly pathetic attempt at justifying Azeris mass murdering Armenian civilians

[@bayzidmostafa3915]

@@dirtysunrise99Once Armenia murdered so many Ajeri and occupied their land for many decades.

[@justanunusualperson8913]

​@@bayzidmostafa3915 Spreading misinformation isn't suggested. You better think before you comment

[@StrongholdKnight]

You fools, we gave you time and told you to go, but you didn't leave the land of Azerbaijan, in the end you lost the rest of the land. Karabagh is Azerbaijan!

[@handlevery1karefully]

Games of govt,once Azerbaijani cried when they were kicked out,now Armenian are

[@Pou1gie1]

@10:34 She looks about 85, not 60.

[@wasimakram-hh9ug]

Yes😂

[@azar6529]

Armenian Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan said that Karabakh lands are Azerbaijan's territory. Do not discuss.

[@lulumanluluman8486]

more blood ,more blood ! scary

[@MythBusterIN]

Local armenians should have stayed . The azeri govt said that they will be integrated. There is no need to create such hysteria. 😢

[@user-gc9dr4pd9d]

СаРСАГ САРСАГ САРСАГ

[@travelnewsbeneficialknowle3020]

🙏🙏👍

[@cosmoprofsasu9500]

1500 yr on The conquest is well and alive

[@user-sx4em1cc4g]

Armenia❤❤❤❤

[@sachakulmik9669]

From April to November 1993, the UN Security Council adopted four resolutions on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which were not implemented by armenia: UN Security Council Resolution 822 of April 30, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the immediate withdrawal of all occupying armenian forces from the Kelbajar region and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 853 of July 29, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupation armenian forces participating in the conflict from the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 874 of October 14, 1993 - called on the parties concerned to make the ceasefire effective and permanent; UN Security Council Resolution 884 of November 12, 1993 also condemned the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Goradiz of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

[@Jay-hr3rh]

When you witness two people doing something wrong you don't know whom the real bad person is.

[@muhammedaliyev444]

Just have a look at the map where in “ word”” disputed region is located , and look at UN’s resolutions for this conflict then you will know which side is right. And ask this question, would you agree on independence of minority groups in your county if they claim they don’t want to live under your legislation.

[@Jay-hr3rh]

@@muhammedaliyev444 War and killing people is wrong!!! I don't care about your question.

[@c0ffa221]

Then please do us a favor and investigate the conflict more detailed. For example thousands of civilian Azerbaijanis killed and around 700.000 expelled from their homes in Karabakh and surrounding regions.

[@Jay-hr3rh]

@c0ffa221 Say the word again!!! "Killed." Both sides.

[@viewerssejati8940]

I don't eat cow for respect that's for sure

[@alzinifelshoni2602]

I want to see all these people yelling at police and soldiers sending their kids first to fight for the Armenia

[@RAWFestival]

Their kids probaly were in the defence force of that region

[@777-hf6zt]

Сарчах осурду🤣

[@Hangman84848]

Most important thing is to stop the war, everything is better than dying for nothing, civilians and kids dying for what? I grew up thru the civil war and what, in the end when it is done you have to move on like it never happend, all the young lives gone for what? For few mf to get rich from it, that's it. I wish all the best to both nations.

[@tazsar3204]

You can't let the public take over an area, it's back with its rightful owners internationally recognised at that

[@bluecrypto4640]

I mean UN told Armenia to leave like 30 years ago, that speak for itself

[@uhsejackson3827]

What you do will come back… exactly what happened to these Armenians showing aggression back in 1990s

[@SuperBlueroad]

Armenians killed thousands of Azerbaijani Turkd in 1991 and one million Azerbaijani Turks had to leave their homeland like Armenians, Hope for peace for all people who live in Karabakh

[@tjohanne]

Armenia betted on Russia, and this is the result. Hope they integrate into the real world from now on.

[@imperatorvespasian3125]

what could Russia do, Armenians PM gave away the province for a bag of silver from his EU masters

[@jovicatrpcevski209]

And that's the real, underlying message, isn't it? "Woe to anyone trusting Russia to undergird their political future" - they'll keep shouting this message/warning from the rooftops from now until Doomsday. Just look at the Serbs to see what kind of basket cases they've become while they wait, hope & pray for the Russian cavalry to come roaring across Eastern Europe to their rescue - for 15 years now ( & counting ).

[@tjohanne]

@@imperatorvespasian3125 He did what was right. Now, more power to Turkey, and less to the mafia state Russia. It's better for everybody.

[@John-thinks]

This is actually the result of an attempt to turn AWAY from Russia. The Russian MFA released a statement pretty much declaring that they were letting this happen because the current Armenian government was cozying up with the West too much.

[@user-fu1ys4vg9y]

пошли вы накуи со сваими ставками

[@johnadschannel4229]

Oneside media make me sick 🤢

[@seynurismayilov24]

Press could easyly pass the border and report from first eye but i can’t see they did.

[@maryamaghaian393]

No they can’t! Azerbaijan is not allowing press in Kharvagh because they will see the Truth if what they have destroyed!

[@erdal0]

armenia has to recognize the genocide they committed on Azeri people in 1992, 1 million azeri displaced, decades long exploitation of azeri resources...

[@nafisfuadayon6832]

Karma

[@ArmenianGenocide.]

❤❤❤

[@orgkampong]

Look man, this piece of real estate is not urs to begin with.... of course the landowner would want it back eventually. Welcome to the world of the homeless ppls.

[@greenforfuturegff5759]

For 30 years ignored the rights of 1 million refuges and internally displaced Azerbaijanis. Sadly Guardian joined misinformation crusade against Azerbaijan. Apropos first they claimed that there will be genocide, then when people chosen to leave, it became forcefully displacement.

[@RAWFestival]

There was no internet 30nyears ago

[@greenforfuturegff5759]

There was UN and UN refugee reports, so no excuse here for racists in the West @@RAWFestival

[@memus333]

This mockumentary will help the Armenian authorities receive money and humanitarian aid, and ordinary settlers will be left with nothing, as always.

[@oldones59]

Why is Nagorno Karabach internationally recognized as being under Azerbaijan's control? EU and the US, have some spine!

[@timur6532]

From April to November 1993, the UN Security Council adopted four resolutions on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which were not implemented by Armenia: UN Security Council Resolution 822 of April 30, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar region and other recently occupied areas of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 853 of July 29, 1993 - demanded, among other things, the complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupation forces participating in the conflict from the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan; UN Security Council Resolution 874 of October 14, 1993 - called on the parties concerned to make the ceasefire effective and permanent; UN Security Council Resolution 884 of November 12, 1993 also condemned the occupation of the Zangelan region and the city of Goradiz of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

[@syedadeelhussain2691]

I thought this war ended sometime back. Has the war restarted in this region? I'm not following news these days.

[@wilcowen]

There was a successful offensive launched by Azerbaijan recently

[@MarmaraKazm-ld7im]

İf Turks wouldnt show mercy to Armanians there is no country named Armania,look at what İsrael doing in Palestina with 7 million population ,Armanians still living in this area between 100 million Turks

[@amilazizov2356]

It was pure misinformation to say that Lachin coridor was blocked. Armenian people freely could cross the border in Lachin, of course, under passport control. Blockage was only for millitary forces.

[@MyGuaguanco]

Lies

[@refiqesultanova7609]

Наши шехиды погибли за свою родину а ваши за чужию землю.Вот в этом разница.

[@Black32989]

Azerpatlican is northern province of Iran 🇮🇷

[@zaqatala24]

Shame on you Guardian. It is so easy to "buy" you guys. No wonder.

[@multidimensional_holographer]

they also lost the gold and mineral deposits in that area; what a tragedy

[@maryamaghaian393]

Yes that is Azerbaijan Wanted this area so badly!!! Its always about the $$$

[@Catboy5654]

@@maryamaghaian393 Funny, I wonder why Armenia chose to capture this specific land deep inside of Azerbaijani borders... If it was simply about "ancestral lands." then why did they not just expand their own borders? Why did they skip over the border regions to go straight for this mineral rich region which does not even border Armenia? hmmmm 🤔

[@kentershackle1329]

It's NOT THIERS to begin with..

[@lynetteh824]

​@@Catboy5654 It has been ARTSAKH for MILLENIA & will be known as ARTSAKH in future history! ❤💙🧡🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲 In the beginnings, once upon a time in Armenian ancient history, ARTSAKH was the capital of ancient Greater Armenia on their land, that you have come to call Azerbaijan since 1918. Back then, your hordes of ancestors were still developing in the Altaic, Asiatic Steppes, without a civilisation. The land that u've called Azerbaijan since 1918 😅, was all ancient Armenia, with the majority population being Armenians. The Armenians were sharing the land with Caucasian Albanians, who were mainly inhabiting the south eastern coastal lands along the Caspian Sea.

[@lynetteh824]

​@@kentershackle1329 It has been ARTSAKH for MILLENIA & will be known as ARTSAKH in future history! ❤💙🧡🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲 In the beginnings, once upon a time in Armenian ancient history, ARTSAKH was the capital of ancient Greater Armenia on their land, that you have come to call Azerbaijan since 1918. Back then, your hordes of ancestors were still developing in the Altaic, Asiatic Steppes, without a civilisation. The land that u've called Azerbaijan since 1918 😅, was all ancient Armenia, with the majority population being Armenians. The Armenians were sharing the land with Caucasian Albanians, who were mainly inhabiting the south eastern coastal lands along the Caspian Sea.

[@GenirePasaevaTofiyANS]

"Let's assume that there were Armenian kingdoms in Nagorno-Karabakh. Now, a simple question. Currently, there are approximately 10 million Armenians worldwide, as they claim. Two centuries ago, the Armenian population of the land could not have been the same; there were significantly fewer Armenians. I found reports stating that in the 4th-5th centuries, the population of Greater Armenia was around 3 million. The Armenian version seems highly doubtful. For comparison, I'll mention that in Ancient Rome, there were 20 million ancestors of modern Italians. In modern Italy, there are 60 million inhabitants. A threefold increase, but Italy as a unified state or even as several feudal states can be traced back two millennia. They were not killed, expelled, or subjected to genocide. Armenians claim a threefold increase, even though they were more often subjected to genocide than most other nations throughout their history. Therefore, the Armenians' claimed figure of 3 million does not inspire confidence. But let's stick with it to simplify calculations. Next: the distance between Adana (Cilicia) and Nagorno-Karabakh is 1,461 km. Armenians want to say that a space of 1,500 kilometers was populated by three million Armenians? No one else was there? Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, dozens of other lesser-known peoples... How can you create and maintain a state there with such a negligible population density while defending it from enemies? Impossible. And the migration of Armenians from the Mediterranean to the Caucasus is plausible, as there are historical facts supporting it, as well as the well-known Armenian migration theory, according to which they originated from European Thrace and migrated to the Near East. Their Balkan origins are confirmed by national dances and costumes of Armenians, identical to those of the Balkans. Nomadic life is characteristic of Armenians, and it is still observed today, although Armenians, more than others, are known for their racist assessments of nomads. Independent and safe coexistence of fewer than three million Armenians on a vast territory, with a distance of one and a half thousand kilometers (from the Mediterranean Sea to Nagorno-Karabakh), is impossible. They may have roamed in masses - I believe that, but simultaneous habitation on such a territory - no, leave those tales for your children."