Expert with Cheap Gun vs Amateur with Expensive Gun!

[@thunderace7493]

I cant hit anything with a cheap gun. With an expensive gun I wouldn't be able to hit anything a lot better.

[@tgsoutdoors]

But you would look significantly more stylish missing 😂

[@thunderace7493]

I've never been accused of looking stylish.

[@lordoflek]

@@thunderace7493 that's because you haven't been shooting the right gun

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Should have gone to specsavers.

[@joeymurphy5617]

I have won medals with a sub $1k semi auto shotgun and i have won medals and a state championship plaque with a $3k Browning O/U.

[@ralphholiman7401]

One of the funniest gun things I ever saw was a student at our police academy saying that something was wrong with his gun because he couldn't hit the target with it. One of the instructors (who was a national pistol champion at the time) took it, and held it upside down in his hand (grasping the grip 180 degrees from correct), and just drilled the center of the target with several shots, then handed it back to the student, saying, "Seems okay to me."

[@boringpolitician]

Errrh... Sounds like Lars Andersen, just with a gun. Meaning, Lars Andersen explained that he could easily train anyone to within an hour, to shoot without aiming. That is, just let the arrow be a natural part of where you looked, and instead of looking down the arrow on the bowstring, just look at the target and shoot the arrow at the target without looking at your bow and arrow. So, a nice trick with a gun, but the aim on the gun might still be off. I guess he checked that beforehand though.

[@ralphholiman7401]

@@boringpolitician , it was one of those new student complaints, “My sights are off. My gun is shooting to the left and to the right of where I aim.”! But, I believe in what you are referring to, especially since pointing is often what people actually do in a close quarters gun fight any way.

[@Matty18795]

Did the student then hold the gun upside down and also hit the target ok?

[@ErinGnarkill]

That means he was an expert at his own natural point of aim, it’s doesn’t prove that the sights on the gun might be off for someone less experienced

[@ralphholiman7401]

@@ErinGnarkill , I think you missed the point completely. It was just a joke. You know, humor, kidding around, that kind of thing.

[@user-ju7dx8mu6d]

Not many top level competitors would allow themselves to be put at such a disadvantage. It speaks volumes for his character and results in great fun. Now where can I get one of those guns? I am always looking to expand my box of excuses.

[@squadcast7456]

How does it, its a bit of fun he is already the best in the world.

[@MrJesulius]

you mean all top level competitors? thats some salt you got there

[@genejeffries2888]

Not many would.... however Jerry miculek will gleefully shoot just about anything with a trigger.

[@aaronmackay6123]

O.p. I agree.

[@nate8867]

Maybe in a competitive environment but why wouldn’t anyone have a handicap just for fun

[@AndyViant]

"No redeeming features?" "Yeah, you're holding it now..." That cracked me up.

[@MichaelYarde]

These videos with Ed have been absolutely fantastic. As was his episode on the Pod. Be good to see some videos with him during the game season!

[@tgsoutdoors]

We shall see if he can fit us in our busy schedule!

[@alanwood7373]

I remember going to game shoot in North Yorkshire a few years ago. The best shooter on the day was some old guy with a 50yr+ shotgun side by side. There was a group of businesses types up from London with all the top guns many costing the same as a new car. Couldn't shoot for toffee. Or hit the barn door. Rich boys with rich toys. I also remember as soon as it started to rain it was time to go back to the lodge. I had brilliant day. There was 30 shooters on the day by dinner there was 6 of us. Lots of laughs and good shooting.

[@jasonwhidborne5173]

Are you sure there were 30 guns? Must of been a cheap day!

[@steveroberts1422]

I have a cheap aya yeoman side by side and I take it on shoot days all the time. Its about 50 years old but it shoots perfect with the right cartridge. My mates with expensive guns hate it that I can shoot so well with it.

[@kevinb871]

All comes down to the shooter and if the gun fits. I don't shoot an expensive gun by competition standards (Browning 725) but I have performed very well with it over the years in skeet, trap and sporting (in all their wonderful and terrible variations). An expensive gun won't turn a bad shot into a good one. As long as it fits and goes bang then it is the shooter who makes or breaks it.

[@feartheduck6664]

Beware the man with only 1 old gun…for he knows how to use it.

[@john-paulsilke893]

My brother-in-law is a fantastic shot with anything other then pistols. A real snipe eye on him. But my man across the valley can make his nasty old Remington pump sing when it comes to high clays. It’s a real pleasure to watch. (Sometimes just for fun I’ll pop 2-3 out of 5 30yrds clays with a pistol just to show them I have a bit of skill too. (Nothing like those two though).

[@ditzydoo4378]

As demonstrated here. It's rarely ever the gun that makes the difference. it's the person behind the gun and their ability to adapt to a new firearm that makes the difference. I own and hunt with a Winchester model 1912 (pre-war) 12-gauge field gun. Fixed full choke 28-inch plain barrel, un-checkered stock. At the local gun club when I shoot, I score an average of 22 out of 25 on both the sporting clays and trap ranges. This gentleman is phenomenal.

[@RubSomefastOnIt]

I can average 23 all day with my Browning auto 5, cant hit a damn thing with my ithica 16 guage pump and less with my sears and roebuck bolt action 20 guage haha

[@ditzydoo4378]

@@RubSomefastOnIt LOL... ^~^ I do about my average with my other pump. A .20 gauge model 31 Remington, wow is it slick... >~

[@MrSluby]

Jonny absolutely beaming with that hip shot gave me a chuckle

[@danthealien8360]

You are absolutely killing it with these videos mate. Content is fun and post-production's spot on. Particularly into these videos that address the questions people often wonder. As for ideas, another question I've got is whether people genuinely can tell the difference between certain cartridges, and to what extent. Would be good to see if somebody could pass a 'blind test' with them. Keep it coming.

[@mudbob1]

Unless the choke is entirely screwed or something is fundamentally way off like that, you picked probably one of the weapons (non-auto shotgun) where the difference in high end and low end makes the least difference possible.

[@deezynar]

I'm guessing that they deformed the chokes. Probably bent one high, and the other to one side.

[@mudbob1]

@@deezynar Probably so. Though I think it's a bit disingenuous to not compare properly functioning and maintained examples of each. One could smash the more expensive one against a rock and produce similar results.

[@ObiWanBockobi]

Right? I mean a tube is a tube. This isn't a sub MOA vs a 2 MOA rifle comparison, they are smoothbore shotguns. Granted nicer ones are easier to point but I've dusted clays with a cheap 870 express just as nice as a Citori when you are on point

[@skittles074]

I've never gotten this "fit" malarkey, pick some carts & your gun and get used to it.

[@joshm3484]

At this level of competition, of course. At a very high level though, things like weight, balance, stock shape, choke, trigger pull, weight, position, would probably make a huge difference. Not that I can speak with authority. I don't even own a break-action shotgun.

[@bruceweta8309]

Great video and I am glad you just snuck in. Good thing you can get out shooting in the UK. We are on our 10th week locked up in Sydney Oz and the best we can do is the nail gun in the garage.

[@tomsterism]

Aussies DEMAND your Liberty.

[@Ivan-vn1pd]

Shame you don’t got any guns in your house. Looks like you need to use some in the authorities/politicians

[@wealthelife]

@@tomsterism The majority of us prefer the lower death rate. Go figure ;)

[@iamfr00tl00ps]

Ed is an absolute treasure. Keep these coming!

[@ex0216]

Back when I used to shoot competitive I placed 1st in my division at state for skeet and 3rd in sporting clays with a 300 dollar stoger pretty awesome when the other people all had crazy expensive set ups

[@sharks3010]

I'd definitely miss with the cheap gun, but the quality firearm on the other hand, I'd miss in style.

[@MangindDerous]

Im not even a big gun fan I have no idea how this end up in my suggested videos but I found this thoroughly entertaining job well done boys. 👍👍

[@hammyh1165]

Brilliant ! , But that was so cruel . You need to do a rematch and at least give Ed the cheapest of O/U's to use.

[@tgsoutdoors]

😂 ok, providing everyone remembers that time jonny beat Ed in a totally fair fight 😂

[@dandylion1987]

@@tgsoutdoors pepperidge farm remembers

[@robertzeurunkl8401]

Thanks to this video for turning me on to (uncredited) *_Chan Davis - Watch Out_* music. Get it here (seriously.... get it now) : kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpnLqZ59qt10j9k

[@grahamsimpkins1540]

Really enjoying you both working together 👍 on your channel!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Not sure Ed will be back after I made his shoot that 😂

[@systemspecchecker]

I wonder how many times that tower thing gets shot lol 7:02

[@dhshatzer]

I was wondering how in the world do they reload the thrower?

[@mallardcutter7209]

Ed is a heck of a shot !!!! Really enjoy the vids with him. As someone else mentioned, something during the game season would be great !

[@ThePippin89]

It would be interesting to see this done to a not so extreme level. Maybe a amateur shooter with a Beretta pig and a high level shooter with maybe a £250 second hand O/U.

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

A Baikal wouldn't be a bad idea

[@ThePippin89]

@@mrcaboosevg6089 maybe. But a Baikal O/U would be way less than £250. I got my Lanber Sporter Deluxe second hand for £250. It was about a grand new so probably something like that would be a good candidate.

[@alisonb4898]

I had a speck of dirt on my screen and I thought they were missing because I thought that was the clays 😂

[@joewilkins8248]

What a fun idea for a video! Of course, the price of the gun didn't have much to do with Ed's lack of success with it. It was mainly a question of the weight, length, and fit, and the fact that it was a double trigger side-by-side. Given a week to practice with that nasty piece of scrap metal, I bet Ed would have run those two stations.

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

Them pink shorts should be sect 5 ..

[@tgsoutdoors]

Because of all the potential women they could slay?

[@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069]

@@tgsoutdoors still got your sense of humour..🤣🤣🤣💥💥🍺👍

[@BulletPoint307]

I recently have gotten into shooting sporting clay. I started with my first shotgun which was a Franchi Affinity 3. I quickly ditched that after my first match and bought a Winchester 101 Choked in SK SK. I've really enjoyed that and now i've moved onto a SKB 585 Target and I'm beyond excited for my next shoot. All this being said I have loved your videos! They are very informative and exciting to watch!

[@tgsoutdoors]

That 585 is a cracking gun, let us know how you get on!

[@paulwilson7234]

I'd like to to see the outtakes of this video, the best of craic. 💥💥

[@brucejohnson1264]

We all kind of know the real answer here. The gun that works is the gun that fits properly. I had an old side-by-side when I was growing up, and I couldn't hit anything with it. When I could finally afford something else, I bought a Ruger Red Label and the very first time I shot it, birds fell from the sky. I've been using it ever since with great success. Now that I am older and have the money for any gun I want, I'm afraid to try anything else because the old red label works so well for me.

[@CraigK80]

Ed Solomon, what a guy! Top work JC and the crew! You 2 need your own show! Thanks guys

[@crankygunreviews]

@3:01 the laughing got me lol

[@TheMoodyedge]

Rewatch: That second "I can see it" cracked me up.

[@microcolonel]

Clays are good fun with whatever. I bought my first shotgun, just a cheap sport pump action to try out some novelty shells; just for the heck of it I shot some clays while I was at the range, hit the very first pull without any sight adjustment from factory. Shotguns are just loads of fun.

[@jimdeitch321]

Okay, my only advice on the side by side: Saw off about 18" off the barrel and 2 1/2" off the stock, shove it under the front seat of your pick-up and all the rattlesnakes in South Texas will tremble at the sound of your name, failing that perhaps a boat anchor for a small dingy

[@chipworrell6025]

As a 4H shooting instructor in North Carolina, I really enjoyed this and will recommend it to my shooters, I wonder if my Browning Semi is even legal in U.K.?

[@audigex]

I feel like the "it's about the shooter, not the gun" is still entirely true - as long as you exclude the absolute shit at the very bottom of the range Give the best shooter the cheapest "actually acceptable enough to be recommended for newbies" gun and I reckon there's no question

[@waltermh111]

That is what I was thinking. You just need a gun that is accurate to a point, and you dont have to spend even halfway up the range to get enough accuracy to let skill work. So yes, get rid of actual garbage and the skilled person wins every time.

[@Ice7TeaBottled]

I was watching this channel for the first time, so far I like this format

[@leetownsend8414]

I think the comment Ed was looking for at the end was “I would rather shit in my hands and clap!” 😂😂

[@ChrisParayno]

Demolition ranch peaking around the corner 🤣🤣

[@LongBowMan89]

Great video ! Just goes to show put someone behind shotgun that is cheap or expensive who knows what there doing will get results ! That cheap SxS reminds me of my grandfather old 12g Stevens lol it's old and beat up but I still enjoy shooting sporting clays with it. I've shot some pretty expensive shotguns and still shoot the same as I do with the old SxS lol Cheers !

[@arthur703]

Ed‘s gun is unreasonable 😬 A realy nice video In my club we shoot with a single barrel Baikal. It knocks your shoulder off and after three shots you have a warm face. Not for people with blombs in their teeth.

[@erikwilson7622]

Love this. I shoot tons of Skeet, also have many "scatter" guns. The right tool for the right job,,, I was shooting with a friend who recently purchased a Mossberg Eventide, (I believe it is the cheapest O/U you can get) and asked to shoot it on a couple of stations. I missed several shots I know I would have hit, but, the trigger pull is so awful on these cheapos, it does not go off when you want it to. And trust me, a hair second slower on the skeet or trap field equals a miss.

[@jpennell5555]

We used to do something similar at our gun club....except we used an old belarusian shotgun....that would occasionally double discharge, sort of a pot luck on who would get punched in the shoulder

[@thecastbulletkid]

Good demonstration and Ed is a good sport. What is the conclusion? Was Ed's shooting result a factor it fit, design, familiarity (lack of) or all of the above?

[@orion7873]

None of your video come up in my suggested videos anymore ( I guess youtube realizes you're a gun" channel) ... but, I'm glad I saw this one.

[@austingroves2920]

Loved the video!!!

[@yawn2274]

"they havent spared any money on the engraving, huh?" "no thats uhhh-" "what is it?" "a gun"

[@Nalopotato]

In motorcycle racing, one of my favorite things to do is hop on a Ninja 300 and outpace guys on Yamaha R1s, Ducatis, and BMW 1000 RRs. Laughing the whole way round the track.

[@timemowtionlawnmowinguk6054]

Great fun…..you both present a good show

[@momoniji6439]

$5000 for the gun $25000 for the engraving.

[@luis566lc]

Props to him for being the only one to accept the challenge

[@DavidMoreno-vk8yt]

It's not actually the gun. It's because he was shooting left handed!🤣

[@Kobaneko2005]

Christ... I'd just saw the barrel off and then turn it in to the police for a reward...

[@GarbageManPeck]

It cracks me up so hard that my first time ever shooting trap I used a shotgun just as bad, if not worse than his, and shot pretty well. (But tbh I still wouldn't wanna go head to head with him)

[@gdaddy5193]

Many years ago I bought a single barrel shotgun for less than 50 dollars NEW. my intention was to cut the 24 inch barrel to 18 inches and then cut the stock down for home defense. I took it to a turkey shoot (competition) before I did. It turned out I was out shooting people with 2000 dollar guns and winning competitions. I still have that gun 45 years later exactly the way I bought it. Most if my guns shoot better than I can, but, this one makes me a better shooter for some reason.

[@jantschierschky3461]

When it comes to double barrel shotguns, I don't see too many disadvantages with an old low quality one as longest is an over and under in this circumstances. In my experience I am pretty ok with my tiger Chinese crap gun. However when you go high level competition than it makes differences

[@decibellone696]

ive done this many times on the trap and, skeet range. theres an old saying - "it's the crapenter not, the hammer".

[@brad1908]

The cheapest new gun vs the expensive new gun would be a better video.. Hint hint 😁

[@rogerrhodes2333]

That was fun to watch :)

[@bigmike8847]

Gotta say. I have a buddy who owns a Krieghoff and DAMN that thing is nice to shoot

[@stog9821]

Are the pink shorts from losing a prior bet?

[@JoeNoSay]

What ear protection are you guys using?

[@DarrenMalin]

I have been reliably informed I could not hit a barn from the inside, no matter the gun :)

[@wealthelife]

As an amateur target air pistol shooter I can say that the number of crap club shooters that spend buckets of money (on new high end pistols with CO2 and electronic trigger etc) and still shoot a lot worse than my with my 20 year old FWB (when I often only shoot once every six months) is quite amazing. A top end pistol will improve the score of an expert shot, but it won't do much for someone who just can't shoot accurately. Better technique and training/practice is a lot more important than simply spending money on buying the latest and greatest equipment.

[@geraldswain3259]

Had Edward been shooting Percy Stanbury's old s/s gun, I doubt he would have missed one John.

[@testtube1842]

Is that a phone tower? lol how do they feel about you shooting at it? XD

[@sahhull]

Hull Cartridge Co .... I can walk there, but when buying 2000 cartridges its best to take the car :-) I shoot clays better with my Remington 870 ABS pump than I do my grade 5 Browning 425.

[@wholeNwon]

Bottom line: It really doesn't make a difference. So, save your money.

[@jerrymarcum9981]

Great video!

[@HebrewHammerArmsCo]

At our club championships, we had two brothers rock up. They had bolt action Mossberg 12 gauge shotguns. They placed 3rd and 5th out of 100 shooters. Competing against guys running top of the line shotguns. They funniest part was one of the brothers beat the Beretta agent..

[@gateway199999]

Most guns will always be more accurate than the shooter.

[@Pietje_Piraat]

I love the antique. That thing has old fashioned class

[@crosman177]

It’s not that old of a gun

[@sirich7751]

Recently went on a sporting clays event. Hit 70/100 with my mossberg 500 pump with the field barrel installed. I think the course was easy because the time before I hit like 30/100 on a different course.

[@edwardweiszbeck1649]

That Ed is quick witted with the good lines 👍

[@nivatampa]

Lots of lead into those wheat fields am i right? Aside from that, great vid!

[@tobiasmills9647]

I love how you can get a shotgun for less than the price of the cheapest air rifle on the market

[@transtubular]

Once upon a time you could get an SKS for less, paid just a bit over 100 USD for mine back in the day.

[@tobiasmills9647]

@@transtubular I guess that kinda makes sense in the USA, but to be able to get a functioning firearm for less than the cost of a pellet gun is baffling to me. For perspective, I paid £80 for a crosman pumpmaster.

[@khure711]

In the US if you go to the used gun stores you can find all sorts of guns at low prices. I recently picked up a Springfield M1903 .30-06 heavy barrel for $120 usd. It’s in great shape with no scratches. Online they go for $1500-$3500 usd.

[@transtubular]

@@khure711 Wow! Nice find!

[@DarthScorpion]

Most English thing i have seen in a long time. Good work fella

[@DavidJones-lw2lp]

Shows it’s not about the gun it’s the person behind the gun that matters.

[@RufusDawes999]

I am sure the quality of that old side By side but hand made is much better than the Luxury Beretta 686 Same as with cars nowdays

[@billhatcher2984]

How are the traps loaded on the tower are they lowered or is there a mec that loads them where they are

[@145Cloverleaf]

Assuming it's the same set up as my shooting school, they are lowered to be loaded.

[@leec12]

Speaking of Zabala, I'm looking for a replacement stock for a 20 bore sbs, with pistol grip

[@DFox-ud3gx]

Great come back Johnny. Yeah your holding it know - Ed Sullivan Ed this was painful to watch I'd rather drive a car with a flat tire then shoot that side by side. lol

[@27walker27]

Would be interesting to see this again but with a slightly better gun, a used Turkish over under or something

[@davedunn7759]

Great video but I gotta ask; laundry day? Those shorts are hideous ;)

[@justinwhittemore8515]

What Hull cartridges where being used please?

[@tgsoutdoors]

Hull DTL 300’s

[@danielgreen3715]

A Bad workman always blames his tools A Craftsman will just adjust himself to the given situation or Tool !! Used to use an old 30 inch single barrelled Baikal ..back in the late 80s brilliant Gun plus you could use it as a post basher and it would still work Shoot Straight and do what was required in fact i would rate it higher than many far more expensive Guns !

[@wdefghjuefhdegtfthtgf1351]

You should take a mossberg shockwave clay shooting it is a good challenge and alot of fun i often bring mine. This is assuming it is legal on your side of the atlantic as it is barley here in the USA it is on the edge of being a nfa item by about half a inch since the atf says it is just a fire arm and not a shotgun otherwise it would be a aow

[@tgsoutdoors]

Not something we can get over here easily. It’s a section 5 gun, so I doubt it would ever be possible to shoot clays with one unless it was in a movie!

[@Aiyvas]

The gun matters a little, the gunman matters a lot.

[@willcresson8776]

The only joke here is paying 30k for a 1k gun.

[@pbgd3]

I have a Stevens 311D 16 gauge that Ive tied my best scores with my far nicer guns. Fit is fit. Problem is I feel like the 311D is about to blow up, barrels ring but are loose on the face

[@markknight3198]

Need some pink shorts to shoot better but got admit I got a Zabala s/s an they do shoot ok

[@ryanflanagan7656]

I own one, its like being a tottenham fan, it works ok on a saturday but makes you cry when it comes to the hard stuff

[@markknight3198]

@@ryanflanagan7656 😂😆😂

[@lukedog7028]

It’s a poor carpenter who blames the hammer for his mistakes.

[@jonmacmillan4620]

I think that double has a magnificent future as a carpenter's hammer......

[@ivansenina9693]

Not all tools are made to the same standard.

[@reubensandwich9249]

@@ivansenina9693 The pro probably runs easily over 10,000 rounds of hulls a year. I doubt that SxS would make it without breaking something.

[@C_Tutt]

I’ve shot a 20 gauge Kreighof and it was nice but it didn’t improve my shooting

[@uplandknight5782]

Those white legs and pink shorts are priceless

[@mathewpankratz5767]

Not using both triggers was a weird decision, I shoot a side by side with double triggers, chose double triggers on purpose. I like a nice single selective trigger but double triggers is classier!

[@MR12GAUGE]

Once you get to the level of a decently made gun, there is no real mechanical advantage to a high dollar gun, my main gun is a 1976 miroku and i love nothing more than outshooting guys with dt11s with custom stock work

[@tireballastserviceofflorid7771]

Back in the 90s I did 22 silhouette with a dead stock Walmart Glenfield model 60. I had one it since I was 9 and rarely missed anything. So one morning after a match we had open range. I asked for the turkeys at 75. Not being very bright I rapid fired 10 for 10 off hand with iron sights. Really fast. Nearly everyone there had hand made single shot rifles worth many hundreds to thousands. Every singe person there just stared at me for what seemed like days. I didn't get invited back to the monthly shoot for almost a year.. lol.

[@DIM0RI]

As someone who doesn't know much about clay shooting shotguns, it would be nice to know what were the main differenced between the guns and why the experienced guy hated the cheap gun so much.

[@Origami84]

Considering how he choose to not use one of the triggers, i would say that was one of the main problems. In the end, so long as you are aiming at a target reasonable for your ammo and rifle, a gun is influenced by two things: how accurate the aiming is (of the gun, i mean: if the sights are pointing to X, how close to X will the bullet actually go) and how delicate the trigger(s) is. An heavy trigger will inevitably move the gun at the moment you press it.

[@Gareth04100]

Moved to Norfolk 7 years ago and I miss Risley..

[@jacobackley502]

Those Spanish import doubles aren't that bad, it seems like Ed was just married to the idea of o/u doubles. The side by sides take a little bit of time for the learning curve but aren't some awful experience to shoot like he makes it seem.

[@tgsoutdoors]

I can assure you that shooting this particular gun is an awful experience! Most every other gun is nicer to shoot than this

[@maniyan_wanagi]

I used to win one hell of a lot of money shooting my 1960 Western Auto (Savage) 20 ga. full choke pump against expensive Italian and British 12's. It's the shooter, not the shotgun. 100%

[@joshuathomas8529]

I would think that as long as the choke is the same and the gun fires, the quality of a skeet gun would not matter much. Know try shooting with a skeet gun verses a tatical gun that would be intresting. Try puting a skeet gun up against a Kelteck KSG

[@darellkettley6622]

Well funny great little vid 😂👏

[@tomsterism]

What is the name of that marvelous shooting facility? Are those clay launchers mounted in the stratosphere up that square pole system?!

[@tgsoutdoors]

That is Sporting Targets