The Moondrop x Crinacle Dusk is VERY good... sort of.

[@crin]

Clarifying in case it gets lost in translation: the Moondrop LINK app is not required for the DSP to work. The Default profile is baked into the DSP cable right out of the box, so in that regard it is immediately plug-and-play. No additional EQ software is required.

[@alrizo1115]

what if people switch cables? will it still sound almost the same? I think it's better for the default preset to be applied on the IEM itself, not on the dsp cable. I saw reviewers get disappointed that they can't use it on their current system with analog as the tuning is baked on the dsp cable.

[@crin]

@alrizo1115 DSP still requires a DAC of some sort. What you're referring to is analog tuning, and the DUSK has been deliberately tuned to match the Blessing2:Dusk in analog due to the universal praise it got. The Default DSP preset is a different flavour, one that is apparently even more universally praised compared to the B2:D, but relies on the DAC chipset in the USB-C connection.

[@millsjonah]

​@@alrizo1115doing it on the IEM would have basically been impossible. Let's say you're using the 3.5 mm cable. The signal would go from digital to analog from phone to cable. Then the IEM would have to convert analog to digital, back to analog. That would be such a mess to engineer and tune right.

[@ninjashuriken]

@@alrizo1115 Crin explained this in his full video but basically the default DSP is just little bits a pieces to make it perfect. The Dusk is supposed to be tuned really well acoustically in analog but due to engineering limitations they included DSP to perfect the tuning. Its quite literally just a free upgrade, I do think it should be included in the form of PEQ files for download as well though.

[@darkfeeels]

@crin can you confirm if the analog is indeed B2D preset? because I was going to find B2D in used instead of these. If these fulfill that requirement and their DSP is good too, then this Dusk makes more sense.

[@ResolveReviews]

Just a note, turns out the sub bass boost on the DF tilt preset is due to issues when using peak filters below 65hz. Apparently reducing it there introduced noise, so they didn't do it.

[@ResolveReviews]

@D4rkBlack22 I'm sure they'll improve it. But it does need to be called out right now.

[@FaizalKuntz]

If only the app was open source so developers or people who know how to fix the apps can fix it using Moondrop open source publicly available code source to work with. And also with opening the code for everyone, it help the development faster and moondo would not be accused of secretly spying on users.

[@FaizalKuntz]

Try Open Source the code, many startups company who has software issues/bugs/glitches are being helped by community.

[@NotTheOnlyMattAround]

It's an interesting reason to make what I think is a viable choice. A very targeted and isolated sub-bass emphasis is appealing to a lot of people.

[@Rat0713]

​@@ResolveReviewsi'm not so sure, the app has been launched several months ago, it's also used for other Moondrop IEMs and nothing changed.

[@chradon.]

Thanks for the measuring the nozzle dimension

[@NoobSaibotVII]

Yeah, I have the Blessing 2 Dusks and those DESTROY my earholes after a little bit of time. Glad to hear these are smaller.

its ~5.7mm at 3:15 in case ppl cant find it

[@Thiccolo]

For all of my nicer iem's, I would get eartune fidelity tips

[@les8947]

@ is this considered small? or average? my poor little ear holes cant take the massively thick nozzles of the b2d much longer :( i Have pull on the top of my ear to make my ear hole as wide as possible while inserting them to get a decent depth...

[@bakerlefdaoui6801]

Dude, most people don't know how to EQ when a sound signature bothers them. It is truly remarkable to have the work done for them via DSP for most people. The other thing is no one wants to change eq settings on each device each time they plug their IEM in a different device, sometimes you plug a different headphone and you forget to change your EQ profile, it's simply not handy. So an IEM carrying its own EQ is just better.

[@ResolveReviews]

I completely agree.

[@ucnguyenminh9393]

Very true, on device EQ is just way more convenient

[@Platonic_fish]

This is why I love the qudelix 5k so much

[@LGTVQHD]

there are pc software plus android software that change eq based on the device you plug in

[@taidee]

Thanks Resolve for the review. Crin has actually done this use of one device to show two targets with the TruthEar Zero & Zero:Red, the blue being Harman and Red being IEF, but sadly a lot of reviewers and commentors never touched on what the Red was, instead they simply highlighted how you can get better sound with Hexa from the same stable, showing how they completely missed the point that Crin was making, where he was saying "here is the same device with two tunings, which one is your preference". The Zeros (at US105 combined) were so that you could find the general signature you prefer for when you are buying the really expensive stuff, instead some people even complained that project red was just another cheap Crin tuned IEM.

[@bearysh]

I don’t think Crin does a good job of explaining the niche of the product. Kudos to Resolve for being the most coherent review of the Dusk to date. I’m personally getting one in hopes that the community will put out their favorite tunes of this or custom tunes to make them sound like other iems

[@earlybird3668]

This review, AND the links with more info are really good! Thank-you.

[@TheElly750]

I choked on my coffee when I heard "Its always nice to see the cartoon children"

[@Maihme]

Exactly same. "... i guess" part really got me. I have never understood the cartoon childrens in IEM boxes. Where does it comes from?

[@8lec_R]

​​@@Maihmethis time apparently it's crins sister. Or someone crin knows atleast. He had a post on his channel Edit: or the person was doing a cosplay of the cartoon character. Idk tbh

[@Hzuuuu]

@@Maihme This is my own version of the history. I bought some Moondrop earphones, among many other Chinese brands, back in 2018/2019. Early on, Moondrop wasn't really focused on making good sounding earphones. They were decent at best but they have always been cheap, just like almost every other Chi-Fi brands back then. One of the things that they did to attract customers is making earphones with "anime aesthetics". From simple box design with nice looking Japanese texts to having anime waifus on their boxes.

[@kosmas173]

@@8lec_R No in the dusks its the "anime waifu" version of crinacle himself. Hence the glasses and hair color.

[@kosmas173]

@@Maihme a lot of the people in the iem market are weebs (anime fans) so they like the presence of anime "waifus" (the cartoon chiildren) on the boxes.

[@sidesaladaudio]

I like both the Analog and DSP tuning, with Analog coming across like a slightly less harsh version of the B2D, but I do prefer the tuning of the DSP default. I still have my issues with the free DSP cable, and concerns with longevity as there have been complaints of the cable failing after a few months, as well I’ve started to have issues with my Moondrop may freedsp cable where it cuts out when listening and needs to be reseated. Achieving something closer to the DSP default tuning through analog means would have stirred up less controversy

[@tapasr8107]

Fyi, the Free DSP cable I bought, stopped working within few months..... I hope the QC related to this unit is better than their other recent products cuz I love the tuning...

[@sidesaladaudio]

I’m starting to have issues with the Free DSP cable from my Moondrop May, where it starts to cut out, and needs to be reseated to get recognized by my phone.

[@zblus]

Damn, what garbage 🗑️

[@Rat0713]

It's a 20 dollar cable and it's the same cable that comes with the Moondrop May which is a 60 dollar IEM. I would expect something better on a 360 dollars IEM...

[@revving7892]

For those who want to replicate the Dusk's DSP default tuning in analog mode with an EQ app or Qudelix 5K, the filters and exact values seem to be: Filter 1: PK | 1400Hz | -3 | 0.8 Q Filter 2: PK | 5400Hz | -3 | 2 Q Filter 3: PK | 14000Hz | -5 | 2 Q The filters are basically provided by crin himself in his video, but he didn't give what gain or Q filter values, which I found to be these. Edit: Just saw GizAudio's video, and Crin gave him all the exact filters for all profiles at 7:16.

[@linushubner1005]

[@jacobfield4848]

Dusk's DSP default tuning cannot be tuned to the Analog if it could they could have done it.

[@dilbyjones]

I need to get Replacement parts! Where EASY?

[@radiofreealbemuth]

Can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean when you say you prefer the Dusk to the Monarch MK2/MK3?

[@shewi_]

Not sure about the mk3, but my guess is that it's because the Monarch mk2 is significantly more elevated at around 5-6khz and has a bigger dip at400hz than the DUSK or the jm-1 target. When I use it without EQ, it sounds less natural and more fatiguing But now i'm wondering how the dusk compares with monarch 2+EQ

[@EladIdan]

I'm getting these because it suits my use case. If i were a more hardcore audiophile with serious amps and whatnot i would be skipping these for sure. But I'm not, most audiophiles would consider me casual, but I'm still well above normies in my expectations. I currently use fiio FH5 with their Bluetooth amp since i only listen to music via my phone or computer. Not having to worry about recharging that amp will be a good quality of life improvement, and having some presets that the community agrees sounds amazing means i get to experience "true goodness" without spending tons of money or finicking around with EQ wondering if i really got the best tuning for me. This protect was definitely not made for everyone, like most products. It is something that does appeal to a casual audiophile like myself who was already thinking about spending some money to upgrade his experience.

[@frgmnt7313]

I preordered the Dusk and seeing how there were EQ values provided finally got me to try EQ APO + Peace GUI on my PC. Doing more research on it, I came across profiles for some of my already owned IEM's that get them towards a certain target, and I'm blown away by the new life brought to those IEM's that I stopped using as much. Seeing all the options and sliders to adjust on an EQ definitely put me off from trying it earlier, but having different profiles for specific headphones to get a starting base to tune from made the process a whole lot easier to play around with. Makes me wish that manufacturers would just provide EQ profiles for various targets/preferences along with their headphones. A text file with just a few lines of values is all that's needed to import them through Peace.

[@m_waz7945]

I started using EQAPO with oratory1990's presets for Harman for my headphones and then just tweaked to my preferences. Manufacturers providing curves would definitely be cool too but base curves are out there for just about everything.

[@justuslm]

How would the DUSK compare to the Blessing 3 if both are EQ'ed to preference (or if you EQ the B3 to approximate the DUSK's Default DSP preset)?

[@thaflybear]

asking the real questions

[@TheHEADPHONEShow]

If you EQ them to be the same with the right measurement gear, they will likely sound the same given the shell design and fit are very similar and you will get the same length mode features for both.

[@jk25653]

i'd say you get a better looking iem with dusk, also less prone to scratches.

[@kimberly_lippington]

@@TheHEADPHONEShow by right measurement gear, u meant 5128? (crin's graphing tool for example)

[@malfunkt]

Good critique, especially on the not so great app. Great info on the diffuse field and Harman curves, but to add another dimension, your enjoyment of either will also depend on whether you are using your IEM along with spatial audio - be this through modern game engines , hardware DSP (ifi audio), software dsp (professional version of Waves, Audeze, etc). Spatial audio or very good crossfeed can make a huge difference in presenting a more natural soundfield similar to speakers in a room that most stereo recordings were designed for. Regarding the Dusk, looks like a good iem. Myself, I replaced my Blessing 2 with the Kiwi Ears Quintet instead. The Quintet splits the difference between the Blessing 3 and the new Dusk (DSP). It has a similar mid-range/treble as the Blessing 3 with the bass section of the new Dusk. It's a touch hot on poor masters, but sounds great with the most dynamic recordings. Doesn't have the top end treble spike, is much cheaper, still great tech, is smaller, good build and has a lip on the nozzle. Might be an alternative for some.

[@HobbyTalk]

This was the first DSP moondrop that didn’t have noise floor for me.

[@ManicMindTrick]

Noise floor surely is a source issue

[@Free-4554]

brave of you to call people's iem waifu a child edit: aaaand people are starting to argue in the replies (what have I done?)

[@NotTheOnlyMattAround]

All anime characters are children. LITERAL children.

[@Ari_M47]

He’s not wrong. That culture is peak cringe

[@occasionalart]

​@@NotTheOnlyMattAroundWhat? Y-you do know that there are old people in anime right?

[@fesdonomist2]

​@@occasionalartwhy are you stuttering in text

[@hartyewh1]

​@@fesdonomist2xD

[@Simpaiii]

what I don't really get is the "meh" response to the analogue tuning from quite a few reviewers, when it's basically the universally praised B2D tuning with some of its complains (slightly hot upper mids, lack of extention) ironed out. sure, there is the treble peak but I own the Performer 8 which apparently has an even more extreme peak, which I don't think I've heard anyone mention as a problem

[@testertest9181]

Haha same thought, I compare the fr graph of 3.5mm analog to B2D and its almost identical, Its weird people are calling it bad but B2D good

[@haziee3108]

B2D was always universally praised but never necessarily universally enjoyed. A lot of nitpicks and criticisms have been issued towards it and it doesn't really take you long to file through forums to see people saying it's a good tuning but not really all that engaging

[@gbr412]

I think this is due to DSP default being so largely better than Analog, that it creates a big enough gap between the two, making people bash over the Analog unconsciously so they can better emphasize the benefits of DSP.

[@Cujobob]

Resolve was in the comments on Reddit (about this video) and he even stated that it’s good without the DSP cable. Reviewers became enamored with how good it is with DSP so it’s really moreso about wanting that tuning stock. The problem is Crin explained this. Drivers and crossover filters can only do so much passively. If you try to fine tune too much, it creates other issues.

[@Tommie22x]

hey resolve why is that the blessing 2 dusk was so well received when the the crin "The dusk"in analog mode has a similar frequency response but why general consensus is that its (The dusk) not that good? is it because the dusk is matching technicalities on an earphone (blessing dusk 2) thats a few years old? the market has pushed so far ahead?

[@QuinnSlattery]

Why care about the app at all, though? The best preset (DSP default) is already baked into the cable; the app is just for applying those bonus gimmicky presets. Just plug and play to your phone or PC with the DSP cable and never even bother with the app.

[@Rat0713]

Yeah you just forgot that it's a cheap DSP cable that ends up having lots of problems

[@kawaiikoto8800]

​@@Rat0713 cables and sources make no difference. The included cable isn't even that bad.

[@terrencebucker]

@@kawaiikoto8800 It makes a difference if there are QC issues, longevity, durability issues, and so on. Which there apparently are.

[@kawaiikoto8800]

@@terrencebucker placebo

[@heyking8583]

@@kawaiikoto8800no, expensive cable can change 60% of the sound

[@maegnificant]

What are the manufacturing tolerances of Moondrop exactly though? Sennheiser mostly has a +/- 1,5db tolerance in place, which already seems large for audiophiles, but is a high standard according to Sennheiser. I would love to know Moondrops actual variance tolerance.

[@celstark]

Outstanding job Andrew!

[@mrayars]

Can we put an 3.5mm adapter on DSP cable? Or how can we use it with our dac amps?

[@garygriffiths7353]

I wish the dusk dsp tuning was the analogue tuning. I can't see me using any of the other tunings. To be honest, I'll probably just use them with the qudelix and eq them to the dsp tuning myself. I can't see me using the moondrop app as it looks awful.

[@omerakgoz34]

2:50 You know, Crin did this DSP thing to achive the referance level tuning and changing eartips changes tuning too.

[@mehmetsahin4130]

How about comparison with Variations?

[@apothecy4011]

Dusk is better

[@mehmetsahin4130]

@@apothecy4011 lastly, dusk vs ie 600 ?

[@apothecy4011]

@@mehmetsahin4130 Dusk. Ie900 is more comparable.

[@mehmetsahin4130]

@@apothecy4011 you mean dusk better than ie 600 in terms of detail level, resolution, texture in sound etc. right?

[@apothecy4011]

@@mehmetsahin4130 yes.

[@jamesk5323]

Can I add DSP cable to Blessing 3 to get Dusk sound? At least Blessing 3 (analogue) is decent?

[@kimberly_lippington]

I literally did this and it sounds more lush in the midrange with better bass curve..

[@fifteenbongos]

Might have to skip then. At this point, I'm not really plugging into my phone for audio unless I'm going outside, at which point I'm not going to be using something at that price point, especially if I'm worried about the cable failing. Would rather have the analog tuning be closer to this new preset, with a nicer 3.5mm cable so I can use it with my normal source.

[@mickeybreg1]

i would love to get one pair but since i’m an iphone and dap user this dusk won’t be good for me. good thing i saw this video

[@RorSchachd-e6j]

But why because of the dap?

[@jacobfield4848]

If the original DSP is damaged can you buy the "Free DSP cable" and add the default setting then connect it to the the Dusk IEM's?

[@eeelaina5588]

im guessing not since iirc the eq is built into the cable but u can redo the presets for the new cable

[@jacobfield4848]

@@eeelaina5588 Ok, thnx. I thought the Default tuning was available on the App and you could upload it to other Free DSP cables.

[@Rezzzn0r]

Yes! For so long I am telling people that you can upgrade a good IEM to a GREAT IEM with some slight changes in EQ... And they don't listen ;) So many people keep chasing imaginary end-game product when it's so easy (and fun) to achieve with EQ.

[@dalejail]

what iem (without eq/dsp) sounds closest to the new dusk+dsp or jm1?

[@ChrisLightbulb]

Yeah, I was disappointed you need to use the DSP cable to get the best sound quality, and wish the analog profile was as good.

[@sidesaladaudio]

Great review and well balanced take!

[@KuzoriAkuzo]

What is ur best IEM for gaming especially Valorant and watching movies max price 400 euro's????

[@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah]

The Dusk

[@johanjohansson87]

Do the tips still come off as easy as they did on the Blessing 2? (chance to get stuck in the ear) or did they add a lip to the nozzle?

[@soothingrelaxationmusic7913]

Does anyone know the best way to connect the dsp cable to an old ipod nano? Is it better to connect it through a 3.5mm adapter OR a lightening adapter? I have no idea. Thank you.

[@AlokMeshram]

I love the Diffuse Field target (without tilt)! One of the biggest revelations for me when I started messing with DSP equalization. I tried and tried to "enjoy" the Harman target. But the simple truth for me us that Diffuse Field works better for me.

[@Kawartha65]

Sounds to me like you are saying it’s too bad the iem tuning wasn’t just simply that perfect Crin dsp preset BUT without the all the presets and multi cables.

[@americoechevarria8387]

Can I choose the default eq preset in the app and then change the cable to analog and get the same sound as the dsp preset?

[@WarisAmirMohammad]

No

[@americoechevarria8387]

@@WarisAmirMohammad so the only thing I can do is choose the default preset and use the dsp cable without the app

[@nmotech6591]

@@americoechevarria8387 yes, the dsp is the thing changing the sound

[@basti329]

@@americoechevarria8387 Crinacle already released all the EQ settings for each DSP profile so you can tune the analog to the same sound. So you either set the DSP cable to the profile you want (It will save it ON THE CABLE so you dont need to have the app after that) or you EQ the analog with a EQ program on your phone or PC

[@WarisAmirMohammad]

@@americoechevarria8387 yes

[@SonofKalas22]

How does it compare to the moondrop variation?

[@dkabracadabra]

wondering if upcoming moondrop evo earhooks would play nice with dusk... in theory they could use moondrop link app and dsp profiles. however source power requirements of new dusk could be an issue.

[@Mark-hb2zy]

I'd like to see an IEM that sticks to its analogue tuning but uses DSP and an app to calibrate the anolgue tuning to a persons own ears. So in the app in plays specific sounds with a different ear gain and you choose what sound best, then a sound for calibrating treble to preference etc.

[@HeliBenj]

So if you own an iPhone with lightning connector, this product will not work completely (no DSP)

[@mustafam8945]

Will there be a lighting DSP coming in the future?

[@brunosalezze]

Lightning is dead, your next iPhone will not have this issue

[@Sherolox]

Use a Lighting to USB adapter and plug the DSP cable into your iPhone that way. You might need an additional USB-C to USB-A adapter, but as long as you can use it.

[@daniwalmsley611]

3:17 please use the depth gauge on the cslipers (the spike that sticks our the bottom) measuring this way is about as accurate as using a ruler and absolutely should not be sub milmeter precision

[@brentkjernisted2215]

Truthear Hexa is my best fitting IEM. How does the crinacle dusk fit compared to the truthear Hexa. Should I stick with the Hexa? Is there a better truthear with the same fit as the truthear Hexa? Thanks

[@itsfran14]

Where can I connect the DSP cable considering that I don't have usbc ports on my computer? I wouldn't want to lose the sound quality, even if i can improve even better, thank you.

[@RainbowSun0529]

I mean, DSP might sounds like a fancy new tech to anyone who just got into this hobby, but for us old dogs it’s pretty much just a built-in dac cable with eq profiles preloaded which isn’t really new or fancy at all. Anyone could do that easily with a dongle and a eq software on their phone/PC.

[@rialdoroeloffze628]

Can't I just EQ the thing regularly and use it with an amp?

[@ResolveReviews]

yes. Do that.

[@rialdoroeloffze628]

@@ResolveReviews Noted thank you.

[@ezrabrownstein3237]

Channel matching issues are due to planar drivers, which seem to be very difficult to match.

[@Jaysbee1]

Just ordered these to replace some IKKO OH10's - i'm assuming/hoping i'll appreciate the upgrade 🙏

[@FBI_Not]

How does it compare with Variations? A little difference? Or very big difference in terms of Voice Clarity focused in Instruments and vocals?

[@Manupassero]

most of the DAPs have Android and support the terrible Monondrop app, so it's not just a limitation of use with phones.. moreover if you can "upload" the setting into the cable, it's really a great thing and I bet you won't need to do it more than a few times at the beginning, once you find your preferred tuning you just keep it into the cable, and the USB-C cable can be used with phones, DAPs and computers... so in the end it's just an initial adaptation, then it goes smoothly - looking forward to getting my Dusk !

[@Manupassero]

@@ReverendDr.Thomas ok, then I replace "most of" with "many" :)

[@MissChiime]

Is it possible to change the tuning with the dsp cable but then use it with the analog one? Since I don't have a usb-c port on my pc or an audio interface.

[@laundmo]

no, the tuning is done digitally during conversion in the cable

[@lukedudgeon8699]

I'm curious if the dsp cable holds/saves a selected profile? Or does it revert back to standard when used with a source that cant use the app? And, if so, what is that profile?

[@TheHEADPHONEShow]

It retains the profile

[@lukedudgeon8699]

@@TheHEADPHONEShow thank you. That's what I was hoping to hear.

[@Tommie22x]

what if you slap on the dsp cable on the blessing 3? can you improve the blessing 3s underwhelming base response? will moondrop sell the dsp/usb c cable on its own?

[@DefiantFrost]

They already do it's the Moondrop FreeDSP.

[@unclereggie9113]

Does the DSP cable work well with other multi-BA, Hybrid, DD IEMs? Or does it muck everything up and should only be used with the Dusk?

[@m1000-n8w]

Hot take: if you need to be a "trained listener" to enjoy a pair of IEMs or headphones, then they're not worth it. They should speak for themselves. If you like something, it should be implicit

[@ResolveReviews]

I don't think anyone would argue one needs to be a trained listener to enjoy something. The distinction is only relevant because in the research, untrained listeners were less discerning and ranked similarly very different tunings. This introduces noise in that dataset by comparison.

[@sephondranzer]

I think in the context of DAC’s and many amplifiers this is a great take. The drivers are a big deal that do stand out though.

[@mayonotes9849]

In a way I do agree, but if you're already in this hobby for a good amount of time you'd already have a good idea of what you like and what you don't. If you're a new person, then I guess it just depends lol

[@justindelacruz9172]

Well said

[@flufficornss]

i disagree to an extent because experience in a hobby is going to make you have vastly different tastes, for example in the reverse the harman tuning is pretty well the most on average disliked tuning in the more experienced side of the hobby and more universally well received by people who havent explored different tunings and preferences not saying its bad or wrong if you like it but it is indeed the case that untrained and experienced listeners have very differing tastes usually and its okay if some things are made for a targeted audience of the more experienced in a hobby. and its also not like the inverse isnt true in the iem community there are many "beginner" iems and tunings

[@MattBorchert]

I pre-ordered then cancelled my pre-order. Ultimately, I didn't love the idea of an IEM that doesn't perform nearly as well via 3.5mm as it does USB. Totally understandable, but the vast majority of my listening isn't done on my phone, and I wanted something a bit more versatile without sacrificing sound quality.

[@andrearenaudo9045]

If you're not against using EQ, Gizaudio has published the PEQ settings of every Dusk preset

[@timur7381]

That's what I'm gonna do with my desktop use, just EQ to match the DSP sound, covers all my needs.

[@ResolveReviews]

Just to reiterate something in the later portion of the video, the DSP cable retains its presets. So if you have USB-C on your computer, you get Dusk Default as the sound signature.

[@Sherolox]

@@ResolveReviews You wouldn't even need USB-C on your PC, a USB-C to USB-A adapter will do the trick with no issues.

[@chungang7037]

Regarding the analogue tuning, I wonder how it will respond to EQ beyond the app.

[@alvaroantonioocampogrey2823]

Would you choose this or Focal Bathys? I know we are talking about different things, but since I want the best sound for street usage with smarthphone and this is a USB iem... Also thinking about noise cancellation... The aim seems pretty similar

[@Nman2003]

Kinda depends a little bit on if you need bluetooth connectivity and whether or not you want headphones or iems. Budget also should be considered since they are vastly different in price

[@cassiothird]

I'd like to see you check out the Softears Studio 4, Crin's sample measures very close to Dusk but with less sub bass (on his rig at least)

[@hxhky]

How does the default DSP tuning compare to the symphonium meteor that you like so much?

[@sligx6699]

Hey guys, Will those iEM's work when i plug them right into my pc via USB-C cable? Or I need some audio interface to use the EQ usb-c cable ?

[@omni_0101]

I have a phone with a 3.5mm jack. I want a mic. Do I need to get a 3.5mm to USB C adapter? Will I lose anything if I do? I typically hate usb c for audio because the connection jostles

[@natpermsup1601]

Hello from Thailand! I am deciding between the Dusk and Varitions. Could you please help recommend?

[@Tssukiii]

Does the DSP function work with a lightning to USB C connector?

[@joshuvaantonio]

According to you, which is the a better Iem than Sennheiser IE900? Is it Thieaudio Prestige or something even better?

[@shadeshotTV]

iem noob here, i own the moondrop starfield (og) and i eq them, comparing the graphs between the starfield and dusk it would seem i would either not need to eq or simply shift my current eq settings around just a bit i would assume the dusk would be an all around upgrade for me in headphone terms, but i dont know enough about how iems sound, especially regarding multi driver iems

[@asan1050]

ThanksMuch for posting !

[@Tommie22x]

any close recommendations to dsp dusk sound??

[@ChrisKeyman]

How much better are than the zero reds?

[@Notoriousyeezy]

Hello! What EQ apps do you recommend for an iPhone?

[@sunny127]

JetAudio app

[@naedtrax3766]

Can you use the dsp cable on a ps5 controller??

[@laika25]

So the usbc connection uses smartphone dac or is it its own dac?

[@huantian]

Honestly I wish someone would make a DSP dongle (so I don’t need two cables) that isn’t made by moondrop and instead has an actually good configuration utility that exists on PC and Mobile. Then someone can simply copy over the EQ to that!

[@jackalneck]

Qudelix 5K

[@Mastermnd1]

Wavelet, equalizer apo, autoeq?

[@oldaudionerd]

Taking into account my use case scenario and inexperience with EQ I did cancel my preorder and picked up the hype 4. I’m so glad I did as out of the box I absolutely love it and feel I can learn to EQ on a much better base.

[@connorwilke1340]

It sounds amazing on the analog cable especially if you adapt the 3.5 to a 4.4 balanced. Now pair it with the fiio ka13. It sounds the same if not better than the dsp cable.

[@MML66]

Are these elements better than MOONDROP Variations or are they different? Edit Penthouse I think the price is this 500$

[@reluctant_engineer]

I think the DF-tilted preset has that sub-bass boost, since the Free DSP cable doesn't allow EQ below 60hz.

[@CastleRaccon]

How much do they weigh in grams? Are they more than 6 grams per each ear piece

[@pmgalves1977]

If Qudelix’s presets were done correctly (where you could define your iem _and_ target curve, it would render this DSP approach useless

[@laundmo]

since the 3.0 update you have a separate speaker and user EQ - is that what you meant?

[@pmgalves1977]

@@laundmo no. That thing is the source, but doesn’t allow you to specify the curve you get after applying it. That concept of “destination “, is what’s missing. 3.0 just splits that in two

[@athenovae]

8:56 Your HRTF may also be constantly fluctuating because you have variable frequency hyperacusis 😂😭😭

[@athenovae]

I want to share my experiences with long nozzles. I don’t have any problems with large ones like the Red however I can’t get it or the Hexa to fit flush to my ear. I realized it’s the length of the ear tip stem that butts up against the contour. Ironically, the red tip from the 7Hz Zero works for me on the Zero: Red. Lots of zeros lol I used to only focus on the tip outer and inner diameter, but now I’m going to try tip rolling on the Hexa with that in mind when I can. :) If it comes to it, I may have to cut the stem 1 mm at a time tho I think 2-3mm at least would make it fit.

[@attacknshine]

I want to buy free dsp cable with zero red (mainly because I want mic with usb c) do you think its worth for 30$. It really looks convenient rather than dongles + mic

[@itsargenta]

Yeah, I'm really on the fence on this one. I'm not just in it for the sound when buying IEMs. I care about the whole package. The case is okay and I agree that they should have added more tips. What's holding me back is the flimsy looking analog cable. Sure I could use a different one but I'm still paying for that ass-looking cable with the Dusk. I also get what you mean that its jig is about the preset sound signatures. That would be appealing to starting audiophiles I guess but I wouldn't recommend anyone to start in the $300 range.

[@sergeyivanov2667]

If it is the same cable as the one which is included with blessing 3 it is actually pretty good. Does not look like much, but it behaves well, is very light/comfortable and everything is functional. I did not like it initially when i got B3 too, but practical use changed that opinion.

[@SpaceShipDee]

​@sergeyivanov2667 This is exactly right, it's the Blessing 3 cable which is very good.

[@nekrozclockwork]

Could one theoretically eq the sound directly using other eq apps and run it with the analogue cable and getting the same result as using the dsp cable or is there something wrong with that?

[@ResolveReviews]

You could. You should do that. I do that.

[@nekrozclockwork]

@@ResolveReviews thank you, if I ever get these I think I would be running it that way, I don't like the dsp cables, they make the phone too unwieldy.

[@noxalbus]

17:05 I thought the exact same when I first saw the DSP/analog squig. What crin claims is that it's either impossible or expensive to do that. Judging from how many people say using the dusk profiled cable on other iems makes them better, I can see how this is the reason. 17:50 yes

[@stratelite1337]

Tyll predicted onboard DSP as being the future of headphones. Dude was a Prophet.

[@ManicMindTrick]

It was obvious to me already 20 years ago when I started the hobby and the DSP technology has so much more to offer than simple EQ. The stuff that Dirac and Smyth has been doing for years are very impressive and I have just waited for this tech to penetrate into mainstream applications. It still has much more potential to be exloited, especially with earphones and their inherently weak sense of space.

[@WarisAmirMohammad]

OK so how do I make my OG Dusk sound like the default DSP profile of this one

[@Sherolox]

You could try and use Auto EQ. Though it would probably not get even close to how it actually sounds in real life. (But you'd never know if you didn't try the Dusk lol)

[@GadZookz]

This is just the enchanted cable approach to EQ which has been tried by others but hasn’t really caught on yet, at least maybe until now. Crinacle might be the guy with enough gravity to turn it into a real thing, crappy firmware notwithstanding.

[@Fordtruck4sale]

Many warned me for past 6 months+ to wait for new Dusk, just wait for new Dusk, don't buy anything GABBO is coming! Needless to say I'm glad I didn't wait. This thing did NOT "break" the market, it's fine, but it's priced reasonably for what it is. I like Crin's stuff and use the Reds regularly when I don't want to risk my higher end iems, love em for what they are and recommend them to people. But we need to stop with the hype train around this stuff. I think we're at a point with iems where we're not gonna get much better in terms of performance/price. Expecting someone to be able to come in and break the market without taking a loss now I don't think is reasonable.

[@RorSchachd-e6j]

which iem would you recommend? Does it make a difference if Iam using iems with a dap or just with the usbc port from my phone?

[@yarbles66]

So you can't use the main cable with a dongle?

[@Rorensuwl8]

You can

[@yarbles66]

@@Rorensuwl8 how would I use it with my Questyle M15?

[@Mystic_Chizu]

I bought the blessing3 last year and it felt very meh until i took the time to EQ the thing. Mostly ended up with just making everything under 1k match the tuning on the Katos, and cutting out the 6k peak. While DSPs technically are the way forward if we want more exotic driver configs, its kind of an issue if you need a 3.5mm jack like i do when I use my iems for stuff like VR or are using a source that doesnt have parametric EQ.

[@UnstableMedic]

I was excited for these. I listen to a lot of bass heavy music and I replaced my headphones with the Singolo but I can't get a good fit with them. The peak in the treble would annoy me on the analog.

[@ASAPSauce]

If I ever decide to pick up a pair, I'd throw the dsp cable in the trash and use a Qudelix 5K to EQ. Honestly don't want to deal with the Moondrop link app or be tied to using an ugly DSP cable. Moondrop Line K cable would pair nicely.

[@Basil_Ieaf]

App isn't required for default profile

[@oTEMPE5To]

I don't have this particular headphone, but I can say in regards to headphone hiss with usb C, some phone brands just have terrible output. Every oppo phone I've ever tried has noticeable hiss, no matter what dongle I use, my S9 has minor hiss thsts just barely audible sometimes , my s22 ultra sounds dead quiet. My wife's s22 base model is also dead quiet.

[@freshbakd]

finally got mine, its great. analog is not bad either cant really decide between it and dsp default

[@filovirus1]

so if you use DSP cable, you can't hook it up to your avg amps with 3.5mm jack?

[@mrayars]

I'm asking the same. Can we put an 3.5mm adapter on DSP cable?