Red light therapy | What's the science behind it and can you overdo it?

[@santanacaipirinha9536]

I understand debate is necessary and I welcome it, but on the other hand also find myself getting fatigued by continuously looking for the right skincare products and devices, reading up on them, finding out what's supported by science, then landing on a routine, only to find out it might actually do more harm than good and being back to square one. I thought out of all the things I've tried red light would be the most harmless, now it's yet another thing that might cause fat loss. For every ten industry professionals that rave about a certain product, there's another ten that warn you about their harmfulness and another ten people who say it ruined their face. At this point I just don't know what to use anymore. There's just not much left that doesn't come with a "might actually age you faster". I think I'll just go live in a cave.

[@thehonestchannel]

I do hear you on that. It would be good to have some definites in the mix. I think we can count sunscreen as a given!

[@thedevilandhertrumpets4268]

@Santana Caipirinha I posted nearly the same comment on another channel yesterday - I UNDERSTAND. I miss the sun, so pardon me while I age quietly in the corner. Less aging doesn’t get a better seat in the afterlife.

[@silencedogood9747]

I agree with you. I keep my skincare really basic and just try to eat a lot of healthy foods that will feed my body's cells and drink a lot of water and try to get enough sleep. I also do things that make me happy (to reduce stress). Whatever happens after that happens. 🤷

[@vickileonardson4276]

I agree Santana! So discouraging...

[@MsChitterchat]

@@thehonestchannel Even sunscreen may have risks, depending on the ingredients. Better to only go into direct sunlight for short times and cover up with light clothing and a hat when in the sun!

[@incorrigibletexan152]

I have used red light for wound healing primarily with me and my kiddos. As a nurse I can tell you red light has helped in the healing process especially with surgical wounds.

[@Michelle-uh7zy]

It also got rid of my granddaughters many deep warts without any procedure or pain, got rid of skin tags healed horrible burns with a single scar, etc, I’ve had one for 25 years ❤

[@guyplay]

I agree with you. It definitely works for wound healing, aches and pains. Been using a panel for 2 years

[@Camille_Anderson]

its amazing for healing after rosacea for me & eczema. I think it depends on the methodology, the depth of nm & the skins condition.

[@likasikharulidze4486]

​@@Camille_Anderson Hi. I am suffering from rosacea too and was wondering if LED therapy will help it. Can I ask you how frequently you use LED therapy and when did you see results? Thanks

[@clairebear169]

Do you think it will heal psoriasis?

[@post.newness]

Taking care of my skin is essential. Red light therapy has been transformative, significantly improving my skin's texture and reducing wrinkles. At 46, I look and feel much younger, and the changes are noticeable to everyone around me! I got my RLT panel from Future Form Official, and it's budget-friendly, making it a great investment in my skincare routine.

[@thehonestchannel]

Great to hear.

[@sarathepanda2906]

Finally some healthy and honest discussion around skin health, devices and skincare. It's basically impossible to find this kind of content related to skin nowadays. Keep up

[@aeducator1]

Thank you for the kind words. You may be interested in the videos we created to educate about facial fat fitness. kzbin.info/door/DGq_AGhHaiuXP0A29PfBAA

[@sarathepanda2906]

@@aeducator1 I'll check your channel for sure! Ps: I'm a big fan of adipeau, I'm now discovering your page and I appreciate the honesty and integrity.

[@qianxu8970]

Thank you Sara. Glad you found the information useful!

[@sarathepanda2906]

@@aeducator1 I wanted to use the protocol you mentioned of 4 weeks. I have an LED mask. Yesterday I was in my fifth week of treatment (precisely 5 weeks and 11 days), starting from today I want to stop and give my skin some time. Do you suggest 3 months? Or should I probably wait a bit longer because I already did more than 4 weeks?

[@mideastgirl8926]

@@aeducator1 infrared is known for detox and fat loss since a long time. I don't understand why the expensive masks are near infrared. Even if it is not infrared my mind tells me that near infrared could cause more fat loss than the ordinary red light. Just because a device is expensive doesn't mean that it is not harmful. I would not use a near infrared mask. I have a normal red light mask without near infrared and I had that sensation that my skin looks very nice but each time it felt in a way stressed. For that reason I didn't use it often. I think that perhaps generally all heat or cold based devices have that risk for fat loss. Thanks to God i did not notice it with my skin but I Do not use devices every day. Except Tretinoin with breaks and everyday cupping. I would love a discussion about microcurrent. Not ems but microcurrent.

[@keithmarshalldds511]

With over 5000 clinical studies that support the safety and effectiveness of photobiomodulation it is clear to me that it’s the best game in town. It has made me look and feel 20 years younger.

[@gretavains8707]

I feel like I know more than what they know😂 So do you😊

[@elishianneclark8896]

Thank you! With so many viewpoints, this is what I go by. Personal testimonials

[@elishianneclark8896]

If u see this question, will u please share how often u have used it on your face and neck and how long at a time to get the results u have.

[@hoangthai3974]

Please share the name of the device you are using and how often

[@deborahs2593]

I really appreciated this discussion. I'm 69 now and have used a mito panel red light for my skin, for arthritis and sciatica. I've had the best results with it for arthritis pain. I use it for 10 minutes on my hips or lower spine- depending. Every day for maybe a week and each day the pain is less, then gone. I use it on my face maybe 1× week with green tea and have seen a tightening and softening of wrinkles. No miracles- but pretty great for arthritis..

[@avaceleste]

I looking into the mito panel. Which version do you have?

[@Dreamopticsredlightglasses]

thanks for sharing

[@daniliveslifec577]

I recently purchased a red light panel for skincare purposes. I work in healthcare and have had a lot of neck pain with performing frequent CPR, lifting, running to codes , and just being under pretty intense stress all shift long. I had had this pain from the base of my skull, down my shoulder, and down my back (but only on my left side.) Stretching, massage, NSAIDS, exercise, time… nothing was helping. I was like WHY NOT.. let me sit in front of my red light panel pointing toward the affected area. 15 min later, that pain was 100% gone. That was over 3 weeks ago now. The pain hasn’t returned. I also get a lot of headaches from facial muscle tension (when I can afford Botox, it helps a lot). But when I was using the read light for my face/ neck skin, I realized how much less pain I was in for the next few days. I mean, I feel like the dang red light is magic!!! I’m happy to hear about the long covid treatment with red light also. I’m a respiratory therapist, and everything that comes from Covid is so strenuous, devastating, and still so unknown!! Thank you for doing this work!

[@thehonestchannel]

This is great to hear - thanks so much for sharing your experience

[@heidikamrath1951]

Thank you for doing what you do! Please let me know which panel you landed on in your search!

[@austinpowers1999]

Are there any precautions needed for the eyes?

[@Camille_Anderson]

thank you for doing a job that must be incredibly difficult & fraught with real stress! hope you keep well and red light helps!! i use it for skin but also fibromyalgia pain.

[@brendahall8461]

@@austinpowers1999 hi there I’m a professional and yes, I would wear blocking glasses if you have macular degeneration or any retinal issues.

[@sarahcronshaw3088]

Very interesting, I’ve been using the small 300h desktop model and I’ve found it has made an amazing difference to my skin. I follow the guidelines and use it usually for 10mins five times a week. My skin looks so much better, less grey and more plumb. I’ve not lost any fat on my fave.

[@cyrilshestakov3623]

Would love a discussion on microneedling and what are the overlooked concerns about it

[@thehonestchannel]

It's on the list : )

[@_Welde_]

I have heard anecdotally that microneedling is great for both cellulite and crepey skin on the body. I would be so interested if you did a whole “body skin” series. I’ve heard everything from Gotu kola, aloe vera (topical and oral), no sugar, etc, but nothing conclusive. Would be fascinating series…

[@Denise_Fay]

@@thehonestchannel Oh great! I would love that one too!!

[@annau642]

@@thehonestchannel I would also like to learn about the microneedling home procedures using dermapens or derma rollers 🙂 Do they really work and are they worth the risk?

[@Hermitas]

@@_Welde_this is a great idea - the various topics.

[@beautybygreg2601]

Red/IR is great for osteoarthritis. I use it in my practice for skin rejuvenation but my mom had bone on bone, torn meniscus and osteoarthritis in both knees. We would do the light on her knees once a week and she would be able to be up and about with minimal pain until she had replacements. We also did it after her replacements to speed recovery and it worked wonders for her. Also worked great for her skin in conjunction with other treatments i was doing.

[@austinpowers1999]

Any concerns with red light damaging the eyes? Are glasses required

[@beautybygreg2601]

@@austinpowers1999 it’s safe around the eyes as long as you aren’t staring at the light directly. I use goggles on my clients when they’re under the panel. It won’t hurt you though. There’s even evidence of it helping with vision issues.

[@fitnesssoup7553]

It's helped me with skin conditions, soft tissue repair and elevating joint pain. As for eye protection, I think it depends on the type of light and intensity. I always use it. Protection is a good idea unless a competent medical professional suggests otherwise with a specific type of light treatment being used. Some believe it's good for the eyes though that could mean a variety of things. Other structures around the eye could be beneficial in relation to eyes. Directly into the eye would be something to *avoid. Where your eye protection and reserve light exposure for them with natural, low intensity light!

[@Dreamopticsredlightglasses]

@@austinpowers1999 yes as fitnesssoup says here depends on power and intensity - we use 670 nm at 8 mW/cm2 for red light therapy glasses - this is very low power (you just wear them as normal glasses, eyes open or closed) co-developed by world-leading eye scientists at UCL UK, home devices have instructions about this / provide goggles etc, best to sit further back from panels / powerful sources, if it seems bright to you wear protection / consult medical practitioner

[@tadmarshall2739]

It seems that maybe the model we should think of is exercise. Exercise itself does not build muscle, strength or endurance ... it challenges the body such that the body adapts and makes itself bigger, stronger or more capable of sustained effort. So, stimulate the body or skin with red and near-infrared light and then let it adapt and improve. This suggests that "every day forever" may not be ideal. By the way, the Omnilux instructions say to use the mask 3 to 4 times a week for 4 to 6 weeks, then "as needed". Kind of vague, but they do hint that constant use may not be the right approach.

[@carolabney]

Thanks so much for this discussion! (I was actually thinking the same thing that you should call it “discussion” rather than “debate” 😉). I’ve had a red light panel for a couple years. I use it for my face but also for various injuries. I’m a dancer so have various injured body parts. And I must say it absolutely works! Completely has taken away back pain! Also I’m glad to hear that you actually probably should not use it every day. I go through periods of not using it and have wondered about this. If you’re really curious about digging into the science look up Andrew Huberman here on KZbin. He’s a professor of neuroscience at Stanford and does very deep dives into the science of various health topics. He has a video about light therapy that I recently watched. It’s not just about red light and not just about skin, but fascinating information.

[@elizabethwilk9615]

I think moderation in everything is good

[@azishappy2035]

Love Andrew Huberman! Thanks fo sharing😊

[@jodyjackson5475]

Not Cyanide tho 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@sushi_donut]

Absolutely leading the way in transparent discussion on an industry that often packages hope over science. Thank you so much Ms. Johnston for continuing to ask for data and citations; seeing this in action helps us in so many ways outside of beauty, and is personally helping me how to ask for references like a journalist. You are SO COOL. thank you.

[@thehonestchannel]

Thank you! It's so good to hear you find my content helpful.

[@aeducator1]

Agreed. Asking for references is COOL. Thank you for tuning in.

[@happyturtle95]

I really appreciate the honesty about potential facial fat loss.

[@Phoneman635]

Just throwing my hat in the ring here, I’ve been using a Rio Facelite (same as Omnilux / Current Body type) for the past 8 months, about 5 or 6 times a week as I meditate in the morning for 30 minutes each session. My skin looks amazing and there are no signs of fat loss (blemish free, very limited fine lines, over all great skin). That being said, this (great) discussion has given me pause and I’m going to cut back to 20 minutes twice weekly from now on just in case there are some surprises coming my way in the future, I definitely don’t want fat loss of any sort on my face. Thanks for the info 👍

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I wish the makers would do some longer term studies so they could specify long term safety protocols for red light. So much points to it being safe but without knowing for sure it leaves niggling doubts which is a shame. It’s been shown to support fat loss because it improves cell efficiency so I don’t see it as a major cause of problematic facial fat loss. Would also be good to have more studies around that though!

[@Phoneman635]

@@thehonestchannel Thanks for your reply Clare, loss of facial fat would probably be everyone's most feared side effect of any skin care treatment/product and so having a clinical study (if even a minor one) on that would be an interesting read. I happen to know the people behind the Omnilux brand and will be dropping this very question into the conversation next time we're chatting together, if there's something of substance to report on the subject then I'll make sure to revert back to you 👍

[@randoindabando9477]

Any update on your discussion with omnilux regarding face fat loss

[@brightwithspirit]

what did omnilux say? xo@@Phoneman635

[@kathleen9456]

I was using my Omnilux 5-6 days a week for several months when I first got it and did see some improvement. Interestingly, we went on holiday and I didn’t use it for a week and noticed when I resumed I had a greater improvement. Maybe it was the break.

[@dodgygeezerdandy]

I’ve been using my red light quasar device for over 10yrs. It’s fantastic. No fat loss. And I use it before applying RetinA which helps with the absorption.

[@zaleenarbab3672]

I hopeeee it’s true

[@myoldmanbaby]

I thought we didn't WANT further absorption of RetinA. Doesn't increased absorption cause skin thinning in the deeper layers of skin?

[@Progr3ssNotPerfection]

I’m not buying a red light mask! Thank you for shining light on both potential risks and benefits.

[@wadenyoost1796]

Excellent, excellent presentation for those of us home red light users. We really needed this information and I for one had not herad it elsewhere. Thank you.

[@thehonestchannel]

You are very welcome!

[@suecone2198]

I started out using my red light mask 6 days a week, but now I use it 2: times a week. I have seen great improvement on my dark spots and I don’t have any deep lines in my face which I am very grateful for. I am going on a holiday and will be gone about 19 days and I definitely will not be taking my red light with me so it will be interesting to see if this did make any difference in my skin. I LOVE these discussions as there really isn’t much information that comes with red light products and there should be. Thanks 😊

[@src3360]

Ive been using redlight since 2005. Treatment was based on NASA studies back then. Which was 24hrs in between treatments. I stick to this schedule most of the time. Lumiere is a brand that had aesthetic face panels. I started off with that then moved to hand helds and panels.

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@marklee1960]

I've been using a neck and a face mask, Omnilux, every day for 2 years. It works. No bad consequences yet. I recently started using it for my neck arthritis. Too soon to tell though. I would love a bed, for my entire body but $25K is currently out of my budget.

[@WisdomCalls]

I had infrared therapy for weight loss and it was amazing! I felt so good while doing it and noticed other benefits with healing but I would be worried about losing fat in my face. Just like I won’t put red light on my chest or buttocks since I don’t want to lose fat there

[@Lulu-kt6gr]

Exactly! But most people are using it on their faces! And Ivan is a Marketing guy. He’s not a scientist.

[@Caribe78]

i causes facial fat loss!!!

[@eftsoulpath333]

Great show. Great guests. Great forum. Much gratitude for providing this really important info.❤

[@rebeccamorris3677]

U got to compare the irradiance. Some devices ( like panels) are stronger than others like masks. And then there is clinic strength. So saying a person with a mask at 60 irradiance needs to rest for 3 months, like a person using a stronger in clinic device is not fair. The output is vastly different.

[@kathleen9456]

Exfoliating in all forms are inflammatory but still beneficial. As always, too much of a good thing isn’t actually a good thing

[@LT-R828]

Dr. Ivan Galanin is 100% correct about consumers not getting the correction information on frequency of red light therapy usage. Manufacturers need to provide extensive instructions. The brand goes from level 1 to 10 and the preset time range is 5 mins. to 90 mins. The higher end is quite extreme which I don't plan on doing, I would love to see a video to explain how many sessions and length of sessions to do per day. I agree with Dr. Xu's final thoughts. I believe there are more benefits than risks with red light therapy. You can read about it and hear people's testimonies all over social media.

[@judyanderson3500]

Thanks, for this informative debate. I purchased a Red light mask today, and decided to research the procedure. Now, I know that more information is needed for me to feel safe, especially having a small face that can't take losing any weight.

[@thehonestchannel]

You may find this follow-up interview helpful The link between free radicals and red light and how to get the pros and not the cons! kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5y2lXeCatV5ptU

[@Lifes_Frosting]

I purchased a full body red light panel 11 months ago. I use it 2x daily for 20 minutes. I am a 56 year old woman and I lift heavy at the gym and do cardio 5x a week. My skin looks incredible and I’ve turned back the clock several years. I recover from my strenuous works outs almost immediately. I had all kinds of pain in my hips, feet, and back that has been eliminated. I have a ton of energy!! I have seen some fat loss but not enough to say it’s from the red light. It’s mostly from being in a caloric deficit. I do use Adipeau cream on my face while doing the treatments and people have noticed that I look younger, more youthful. The lines on my face are disappearing. The time under the red light is very relaxing and reduces stress overall. Am I getting too much red light? I highly doubt it. My overall health is excellent and I have no reason to reduce the treatments. Light and sound will be the new modalities to treat disease. In my opinion everyone should have a red light device.

[@_Welde_]

Thanks for the info. Sounds amazing! What brand / model do you recommend? Thank you. 🙏

[@AquaFrost777]

I'd be interested to know what brand you are using. Is it MitoRed?

[@Lifes_Frosting]

@@_Welde_ I purchased the Platinum LED lights and the stand so I can lay in bed during treatments. Game changer.

[@Lifes_Frosting]

@@AquaFrost777 No, I purchased Platinum LED lights - best on the market at the time. They now include blue lights in their panels so be mindful of that before purchasing.

[@_Welde_]

@@Lifes_Frosting I workout and lift too. Anything that helps bring down that inflammation is so beneficial. Appreciate the reply. 🙏

[@wagashi]

I've been doing red light therapy at home for over 15 years give or take and I'm a big fan, but this discussion was fascinating and gave me a lot to think about. I love that the doctors aren't arguing about the "right" way to do anything but honestly providing information on their areas of expertise. You've earned a sub from me! ❤️

[@thehonestchannel]

Welcome!

[@austinpowers1999]

Will it damage the eyes? Are glasses required?

[@wagashi]

@@austinpowers1999 it depends on what you're using, I think! If it's one of the face masks, I don't think you have to.

[@river2861]

Have you seen any fat loss from it?

[@wagashi]

@@river2861 I haven't, but I didn't have a lot of fat to begin with and have filler now so it's hard to say!

[@Linh-rv5dg]

Thank you Claire for a great discussion, frequency for RLT is something that has definitely been overlooked

[@mtngrl5859]

Clare, your skin looks beautiful in today's video. Love the conversation, as with most things, sounds like balance is key.

[@martefact]

Just found this channel - Absolutely refreshing maturity - And yes - 'discussion'. Brilliant!

[@thehonestchannel]

Really glad you enjoyed the discussion!

[@TheMijas07]

Hi Clare, thanks for this brilliant discussion, there is information here that you won't find elsewhere. I have owned a red light panel, a hand held light and a Current Body face mask. I can definitely attest to what Ivan said that too much red light is a bad thing. I've cut my usage now and I find my skin is responding better. I only use my CB mask once a week for 20 mins (I might cut this to 10) It does cause an inflammatory response (which I saw when I used my hand held red light on a large burn that was almost healed - within seconds it started to bleed and pain again) However, I find it brilliant for those niggling joint aches that you get when you overdo something. So although I've got rid of my full light panel, I keep the smaller light and mask. Both have their uses but I feel that even using the mask every other day (for skin rejuvenation) can have the reverse effect for some of us. Almost every google search on red light therapy only tells of the positive effects! Also, I would say to anyone to wear the goggles as it does not benefit the eyes as some claim. Look forward to the next video 🙂

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@TheMijas07]

@@thehonestchannel I forgot to say that using my red light mask for 20 mins/week has given my skin a lovely glow - I wouldn't keep using if I wasn't getting results! I do like it, but I feel 'less is more'.

[@thehonestchannel]

@@TheMijas07 That sounds like a very sensible approach!

[@TNT.4Me]

I personally have found that red light therapy has improved my vision in my right eye. Just don’t overdo it.

[@donnamcdonald3709]

Thank you to the guests! 🙂 Good discussion (not debate). I would have loved to hear more.

[@lisabafundo4355]

Very interesting discussion, I'm actually relieved to learn about the possibility of too much red light therapy can be ineffective and/or possibly cause negative effects..i'll be honest, I'm not great with using my skin devices consistently for long periods of time, yet..am frustrated with spending the money and not using them enough to be beneficial..so, this debate has addressed those concerns for me. Wonderful content Claire👏👏👏😊thank you.❤

[@thehonestchannel]

You’re most welcome! Glad it helped ❤️

[@Hermitas]

My problem tends to be that I tend to OVERDO the devices because I enjoy the sensations.

[@jennybolter1102]

you need to follow a strict procedure for red light to give fat loss it will not on it's own cause fat loss, I have used my small light panel on my body to heal after 18months of illness similar to long covid after a flu jab, I wish it would reduce fat but it has not, I have found it to be healing in many ways, but you need to follow guidelines for distance and time, too much reduces the benefits gained, the closer you use the panel the time should be reduced, red light is also dehydrating so lots of water before and after and moisturiser, using it at night also aids sleep. Dr Qian Xu thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with us it's very much appreciated

[@dannyleeds1132]

I totally love every single video you make ! What a breath of fresh air your videos are ! I saved up for ages and bought the Dermalux Flex . I use it 5 days per week 20 mins for days . Results are quite incredible over time . I do apply my Niod survival 0 first and wait 20 mins first to get that anti oxidant support whilst having the treatment . I hope your having a wonderful weekend . Xxx Daniel

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks Daniel. So glad you enjoy the videos and thanks for sharing your experience with the Dermalux Flex.

[@annbrown3609]

Thank you Clare. Yes, I agree with changing to discussion rather than debate. I would like to hear Ivan and Dr. Qian talk about using hyaluronic acid along with Adipeau. I have stopped using any hyaluronic acid products since I started Adipeau because I heard him mention products that bloat fat cells. I don’t know if anything has been established about that. I look forward to the discussion to the next discussion. Thanks again!

[@gloriamitchell4005]

These guest with opposite opinions on red light have been so well behaved and I think we should thank them for not having interrupted each other and letting each present their their feelings and research themselves without interruptions very nice guest thank you

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks Gloria!

[@nvb455]

Hi Clare, me again. I’m about to watch. But A suggestion for the next topic with Ivan: talk about microneedling. Not with rf at a clinic but at home rollers. Ivan said it was helpful somewhere. I’d like to know more.

[@thehonestchannel]

Hello! Microneedling is on my list of things to cover in the coming months : )

[@michelles2299]

Me too I bought a Dr pen and couldn't use it I was too scared there is a clinic near me that does prp so microneedling with plasma I am not yet brave enough

[@nvb455]

@@thehonestchannel sweet! Can you include using a good vitamin c serum ( geek and gorgeous fe) with it. That used to be IT: microneedling and then do vit c serum immediately after.

[@annaswiatowska1800]

I remember him mentioning microneedling in the context of improving circulation.

[@GJL30]

*Great debate! Thank you 😘*

[@janetpelletier1238]

As someone with a chronic inflammatory skin condition (Psoriasis), I have to say that intro of red light inflammation has helped it immensely. I would have done pics but as someone who has treated my Psoriatic and Psoriasis naturally, people don't believe my anecdotal information. I was free of both conditions for 10years this way but a "treatment (V)" for covid flared both conditions drastically. Diet and lifestyle is helping but once I brought red light in, my Psoriasis has calmed down 70-80%. I am happy with that. Really not happy the conditions flared again though.

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks for sharing your experience, Janet. Hope things settle down fully again for you soon.

[@yl1487]

Could we perchance please have further details on interaction with red light in the context of melanin please? Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

[@84Mazzy]

Clare you look so beautiful in this video! I ordered the adipeau cream and am waiting impatiently for it to arrive.

[@C2C.]

Great discussion, and I love the thoughtfulness of the panel. I'd like to see this extended to cover NIR light, as well.

[@colleencolquhoun8818]

OK they don’t say anything like that when you buy it,,,, almost every day,,. Omg?! Glad to see this video

[@emp2291]

Oh boy. This was enlightening. I definitely need to take a break! Thank you!

[@thehonestchannel]

Glad you found it helpful!

[@Hermitas]

Me too! I was using my mask almost every day!

[@daniliveslifec577]

I’d also LOVE to hear more about microneedling. Appropriately depths to use, therapies and skin care to use alongside it, frequency, etc. I do microneedle currently, but would love to see a protocol for it based by science. Thank you so much!!!

[@92sarahmarie]

Frequency is super dangerous.. can destroy fat cells. I’d stay farrrr away from radio frequency and any heat devices.

[@jbarkley4198]

Do you use it for just your face or other areas as well? I’ve had a micro needle for quite some time, but have not used it consistently enough. I always soak it in rubbing alcohol before and after each session. I’ve used it for my face and for my thinning hair (hair line, top/front of my scalp behind the bangs area, and the crown of my head). To my understanding, deeper needles are good for larger body areas such as the thighs, stomach, shoulders etc.

[@nancydockter4093]

This is my first time watching Dermal Debates. If it's how it typical goes, you three are a model for how people with different experience & viewpoints should treat each other -- with openness and respect and curiosity.

[@thehonestchannel]

Thank you so much Nancy.

[@jayedwardsuk5984]

Up to 3 times a week for a panel or a mask is fine in my opinion for maintenance. I use one the Celluma Panels personally. I'd say look at it like charging your phone if it's at 💯 percent your not going to get anymore charge keeping it charging. Same applies to LED, you can't over do it per say however using it more frequent isn't going to give you more significant results because as it's said in this video, the cells can only absorb so much led light energy. I think the sweet spot is 2,3 times a week in my opinion.

[@paulachristie7807]

What about red light for hair growth? There are many red light devices for hair restoration on the market.

[@aeducator1]

That's a really interesting point. Will take a look to see what data is in the peer reviewed literature.

[@HollyJoseph-b4e]

Good question. And if it promotes hair growth, do the face masks do it also?

[@narcissism-masterclass]

Finally. Just good information without a sales pitch.

[@ClayMationNation]

But the study Ivan cited pertaining to volume loss said Laser light therapy in the heading. Not Red light therapy. Aren't these two quite different?

[@karenbcz22]

Interesting comment about the tumors .... if red light can make the good cells proliferate, it can also make the tumor cells proliferate.

[@Denise_Fay]

Such a great discussion, thank you!! Wow, I have been using my Omnilux red light face and neck masks 5 days a week for over a year. Yikes!! I am definitely taking a break. I recently started tretinoin and will stick to the basics, embracing the less is more philosophy, thanks to Claire!

[@nataliaharrison7454]

I'd love to know what results you noticed results after using your omnilux?

[@Denise_Fay]

@@nataliaharrison7454 I mostly noticed a reduction in hyperpigmentation when I first started using it. My skin does look pretty good at 57, and it is hard to know what else it is doing v. my skincare. I also had started using a retinol about 1.5 years ago and recently switched to tretinoin.

[@nataliaharrison7454]

Thanks so much for responding, it's really interesting to know. I'm on my first week of the omnilux facemask.

[@ainakunigelyte]

So you cut off the omnilux completely? Why? Just because there are some threats that are not backed by science? I feel so frustrated because based on this channel and this anecdotal evidence all modalities might cause fat loss microcurrent, red light, tretinoin and I'm guessing that microneedlimg is on the way! 😖

[@katherinegarelli2889]

I use a red light panel with wonderful results on a troublesome knee and on my face. The face is a bit troublesome for me because I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer while using this 3rd generation panel and was loving it. I don't know if there was any connection with red light therapy as i was using it almost everyday for 20 minutes. The machine was powerful as it actually filled in skin that had been damaged from an accident. I am left confused about redlight for my face but I am 100% positive for use on the body. This was a wonderful podcast. Thank you ! Katherine

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks Katherine. I wish there were more studies available to better inform our decisions around safe use. It’s frustrating.

[@jenniewilliams1668]

Thank you so much - this discussion is so helpful as I begin to use red light therapy and try to dose myself safely and effectively to meet long term goals of health and beauty rather than short term agendas. Warmest regards Jennie

[@jenmom2]

I have just started using red light and oh my goodness it’s helping me tremendously. I can’t say enough good and I sat on the fence for wayyy to long. Although everything happens for a reason. Lol

[@arisaosmeni5643]

We should talk more about the fact that every oxidation reaction that happens in our body which is the essential way our cells take the energy from glucose produces a certain amount of ROS and some toxins is totally normal..we have our organic antioxidants like the glutathione.. the problem starts when our cells are overworking and this antioxidants can't make it in time to "clean" all the toxic intermediates..i would suggest when doing red light therapy first be very careful with timing and not over do it, second use some antioxidants like drink green tea..

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@tallisinwonderland4724]

I’ve got the LED mask from current body and I use it every day. I like using it as it also improves my mood. Maybe I should use it less. It broke in the summer and had to be repaired and I really noticed a decline in my skin after not using it for a month. On a side note, Claire, your face looks amazing, so much fuller and more youthful, normally I wouldn’t comment like that but know you use Adipeau like me. Are you seeing the difference? I love Adipeau and I’ll never be without it now.

[@thehonestchannel]

Always good to hear from you! I’m still using the Adipeau cream and feel like my skin is in a good place right now! So glad it worked out for you.

[@tallisinwonderland4724]

@@thehonestchannel honestly, you look amazing. You are doing fantastic work on this Chanel with the deep dives and experts - thank you 😊

[@thehonestchannel]

@@tallisinwonderland4724 Thank you! I so appreciate the support ❤️

[@austinpowers1999]

Do you require eye protection? Will red light damage the eyes?

[@TheSmiaf]

Basically waiting for more long-term research results.

[@gillcameron8105]

Fabulous discussion... thank you. Love listening to Ivan.

[@thehonestchannel]

Glad you enjoyed it Gill.

[@kerrystone3201]

Love this type of discussion you're doing Claire. Having three people definetley makes it more interesting. Only wish is that it went on longer. I'm gaining much more respect for Ivan too the more you intrview him : ) Thanks again Claire.

[@aeducator1]

Hi Kerry, thank you for the kind words. I have been training aestheticians about facial fat fitness and realized that education is really the key. We need to develop a scientific literacy for skin that's similar to what the field of nutrition has. This is a huge priority for me for this year. We are going to use a messaging platform to do interactive education. I will do a video about it once it is ready.

[@mideastgirl8926]

Dear Clare, I want to share my thoughts on this topic with you, too. The masks that is often used for the face are near infrared because it increases the ATP production more than ordinary red light But here I see the danger in fat loss because the more you increase ATP to the highest level you can, the more you can exhaust them in the same time, what can more lead to fat loss. The device companies tries to bring the maximum for the skin .... but it is better to energize the cells just as a stimulater than to overwhelm them. It is the same with exercises. It can turn into the opposite when you try to bring the maximum. For that reason I would not use near infrared masks, even not less sessions.

[@mtnpfi]

Interesting point, thanks for commenting!

[@mideastgirl8926]

@@EnniRoc any ordinary red mask is good enough. cannot write any tips bc youtube deleted my previous comment i wrote you.

[@Caribe78]

is the problem nir not res lighr?

[@mideastgirl8926]

@@Caribe78 i do not know. is nir not only for the eye bags?

[@CG-xn4yi]

Ivan is looking younger these days! I love my Adipeau cream, game changer!

[@LearningGrace]

Thank you for a really nice critique of Red Light Therapy. I personally am looking into it for my thyroid. I have Hashimoto’s. I was hoping you’d cover that as well. Perhaps you will find another show to cover it? There are som pretty ‘out there’ claims too regarding brain health. I think we all need to be careful with something still fairly new.

[@cococgb5389]

Great discussion!! I fully believe in a multifaceted approach to all wellness issues.. love my Mito Pro .. it’s effect on sleep quality is quite Amazing ♥️🕊🛌🕊

[@kiramiftari9486]

Do you use it right before sleep?

[@cococgb5389]

@@kiramiftari9486 i have used it just because of time .. but prefer earlier in the day if possible.. it took a number of weeks but Wow what a difference in sleep 😴

[@samiska8576]

I love your „ Discussions“!!!! Kind regards from Germany❤️

[@thehonestchannel]

So glad! Good wishes from Scotland!!

[@Hermitas]

She has some of the best skincare videos on KZbin. So informative!

[@yl1487]

Let's also remember that adjacent to red, infrared-A interacts with the bound water of cytochrome C oxidase (Andrei Sommer), in fact likely also with any other interfacial water that it can reach ...

[@helenf227]

Hi Claire, I love you channel. Please do watch Dr Dray’s response to Ivan’s misrepresentation of tretinoin’s studies. After watching two videos with Ivan, I’m starting to feel that he makes controversial statements that are not well supported while conveniently having a product that has all the solutions to everyone’s skin problems (I recall his product has very little evidence, small study without tissue analysis). Is this really ethical to promote?

[@thehonestchannel]

Hi Helen. Sorry for the late reply. I appreciate the concerns though I should say the points made in both debates are supported by scientific studies and I think that's important. There is also no mention of products in these discussions. The Adipeau cream is based on a very simple formula so I don't think there's an ethical issue there but I do listen to viewer concerns and take them seriously. I'll be drawing on a variety of different specialist contributors in 2023 to bring you a range of views.

[@georgenem8867]

All your wonderful discussions are making all of us that much wiser your podcasts are amazing and I would love a show on micro needling as I have heard many great things about this treatment

[@irst3966]

That’s the right way to do it. Very good discussion. Keep up the great work!

[@beachstreet101]

It was an interesting discussion that was respectful as well between the opposing sides merely presenting what they know or read. I’ve personally never heard of any negative stories with red light therapy. And there are a lot of stories out there on it. This is also from users and consumers. Not just people trying to sell a product. If there is any takeaway from this it’s moderation. Don’t feel you have to use the device every single day indefinitely until the end of your days. Take frequent breaks. Give your skin a break. Maybe do it 2-3 times a week for a couple months then reduce that to once a week. Maybe take a 2-3 weeks off. I’m just rattling a suggestion. I have no science or evidence to enforce the suggestion. But I think as far as the two studies he brought up, those are just two isolated studies. And as the Doctor pointed out, we don’t know the details of those studies. What kind of tumor grew in the mice. Is it a tumor people get and things like that. And it was just one case. But I don’t know how much studies have been done with red light therapy. There was a time that humans believed cigarette smoking was not harmful or addictive way back when. Then down the line we discover info that it is. Just food for thought is all. The bottom line is there seems to be more evidence illustrating the countless benefits of red light therapy than any negatives. No one has come forward with a negative experience. Just don’t go crazy with it is all since it’s not necessary. More is not better with most things. Oh and everyone’s skin on this panel looks incredible, so whatever they’re all doing works! :)

[@thehonestchannel]

Very sensible points raised here - I totally agree that less is more.

[@lindabelanger9350]

How close to the lights, explain the treatment of red light, NIR. All the basics

[@elianahf]

Excellent information, an eye opener. I will definitely take some time off it every so often. Thank you

[@EvangeliseGood]

I really enjoy these discussions, love what Ivan brings and appreciate the depth of information he brings to us. I too use a red light mask and glad to hear it’s appropriate to take breaks. Maybe the inflammatory response is what is causing the fat loss, so interesting that there is very little depth of consistent research. I too am an Adipeau user and really loving it.

[@marleenscholte2738]

Another great Discussion Clare. Thank you. Can't wait for the next one. Learning a lot before starting to buy a new "thing" for the skin. I have rosacea on my cheeks and heard for my doctor that red light is not a good thing. The fat loss is something I did not hear from any other person.

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks Marleen!

[@michelles2299]

So interesting,a very informative discussion. I haven't yet invested in a red light mask but I have been looking at them recently, I think if I do invest I will use it for 4 weeks then take a break for a while the only thing that is of slight concern is the discussion around fat loss thank you for this

[@thehonestchannel]

So glad you found it helpful. I think using it regularly for 4 weeks at a time then taking a break is a really smart way forward. I have a mask that I haven't been using that regularly so I think I'll do similarly. I don't see fat loss as a major issue with these masks, particularly if used sensibly.

[@Grushenke89]

Have the Omnilux mask, used consistently for almost 2 years (4-5 x week for 10 minutes at a time) and thought I was actually seeing skin aging, more sag and volume loss. Had pet emergency and stopped using it for almost 3 weeks now and my skin is looking much better, volume looks better. I may go to using it once every 2 weeks-

[@ndl78]

Yes! I used it consistently for 3 months and got way more issues than any benefits like my new darker spots, skin tags I also noticed volume loss around eyes and more facial hair (makes sense as it stimulates hair growth) I stopped using it and am noticing more volume loss.. I regret buying this mask so much

[@ndl78]

I also have omnilux

[@tquirkyt7118]

‼️No more Ivan‼️…❣️MORE Dr Xu❤️ great topics and videos tho😊

[@thehonestchannel]

Thanks for the feedback. I take it all on board.

[@2cleverson2]

really interesting thanks. Do you have any video about PRP? it is an interesting topic as well.

[@philippaduvenage9536]

I have been using my Mito300 panel for 3 months, and although my skin texture has improved, I definitely have new melasma on my cheeks and neck. I am very diligent about sunscreen. It is definitely the Red Light. I do 10 minutes a day and sit a bit further away than recommended. It is so frustrating as everyone is using this with success with no new pigmentation issues 😫

[@violet-green-eyes9574]

I’m very very curious about it… My gut feeling was always telling me that red light may cause melasma issues… I have an old hand device which I use sometimes when my neck or back feel sore, but I was always hesitant to use it on my face… I’m blessed with a good skin but want to keep it this way, so curious about anything anti-aging and still don’t know if I would use red light because of the potential risk of hyperpigmentation… Maybe it’s just my feeling, so would love more science behind it. Can anyone share more info red light and melasma related?

[@austinpowers1999]

Do you wear eye protection? Is it needed?

[@claudiarolnick6213]

Another great discussion! I live Dr Chong’s common sense abs approach to things

[@eftsoulpath333]

I agree that it is a discussion and not a debate

[@manymoms920]

That was so interesting. I also wonder if the efficacy reduces if the inflammation over time becomes normalised

[@SkinObsessedMary]

Wow Claire, you may have freaked a few people out with this one! It's hard to understand the takeaway for regular at-home mask users....is it slow down? The manufacturer instructions generally indicate how often and long each session should be so I wonder what the final recommendation is from your specialists?

[@thehonestchannel]

It's definitely not intended to scare people, but I also think we should not be afraid to question whether using a device daily or very regularly over a long period of time without resting your skin is the best idea for your skin health. The makers really should be doing those studies to guide customers on long-term use and outcomes. Unfortunately, it's impossible to make a definitive recommendation on frequency because we don't have long-term studies on the consistent use of face masks to support that advice. Personally, I would do an initial run of treatments as recommended by the manufacturer and then take a break.

[@followmesky]

well, this is very timing. I started using my red light practically everyday for a week, for about 8 minutes each session on my face due to seb derm on my eyebrows. I read a review where this was done and it worked well. The journal didn't say how many times a week so, I figured start low, but after seeing this, I may want to consider to back away and do it less a week. Honestly, I was hoping it would not only help with aging but at least place a bandit on my eyebrow condition until my stomach fully heals.

[@lesliecie]

Transcranial photobimodulation studies show benefit decrease with stopping usage. It appears to be like exercise-needing regular usage

[@lq4657]

I honestly do not care for someone in a debate who knows nothing first hand, and can only cite studies and repeat the phrase, 'I don't know, I'm not sure '. Come on, we can do better in terms of an expert panel. Ask the owner of Maysama. She knows of the benefit of red light, and her rooibos product prevents fat loss and cuts down inflammation if used before red light. I have used full panel for 1 month every night. I am 59. I look pretty good! Husband as well....15 minutes each side, full body...he says he feels 20 years younger!

[@thehonestchannel]

Where you hear someone say in these debates 'we don't know', they are saying there is not sufficient evidence to be able to make an informed statement one way or the other. That is a credible source.

[@cammiejackson4810]

Lol, what makes the founder of a brand selling rooibos products more qualified to speak on this than anyone else referring to actual peer reviewed studies? Please don’t cite their own funded study..

[@kathrynlorton5934]

The Red Light is fantastic I started using it about a week ago on my feet for neuropathy and am already showing signs of improvement..I've been suffering with this ailment for the last 5 years and by using it daily for the last 5 days My feet are so much better. Hopefully this will cure my very painful condition.. I've had a Red light in my home for the last 3 years and was using it for my face.. Then I saw an article on You Tube by a neuropathy doctor from Germany who said Red Light could heal neuropathy.. I can already see a great improvement.. Hallelujah

[@thehonestchannel]

Great to hear!

[@chrisalexander6245]

Hello. I’ve just read your note about red light therapy and neuropathy. Have you continued to use it and are still enjoying the benefits?

[@crystalmarx2021]

I myself use a full body at home three days a week for 15 minutes my front in and 15 minutes my back end and then I have a handheld machine that I use on my shoulder and my knees for arthritis and I use that probably four times a week and make sure that I don’t overdo it because I don’t want reverse results because there are people that do overuse it and sometimes your skin just need to break in your muscles in your nerves and everything just need a break

[@annau642]

Great content and very interesting and enlightening. Thank you very much. I'm looking forward to your next discussions 🥰

[@janm9309]

I’ve been using a Red Light therapy mask (Current body) for 2 years approx 4 times a week and I definitely see an improvement in my 57 year old skin. My understanding is that home devices are a much lower strength than those used in dermatologists offices to make sure that they do not do damage. I don’t know how much truth there is to this?

[@thehonestchannel]

Great to hear you're seeing benefits with the mask. The at-home devices are certainly lower strength but we're just not sure what optimum long-term usage looks like yet because of a lack of research.

[@AbeerSharaf]

Claire, love your hair :) Discussion is definitely a better word. Thank you so much for all what you do 🙏

[@thehonestchannel]

Thank you! I actually tried the butterfly cut on myself (it’s all over TikTok) and it worked 😁

[@ieltson-air]

Hi Claire,Can you also make a discussion on AHA\BHA ?Thank you

[@elhampaiandeh7412]

How about the effects of LED on Melasma? We know that visible like worsening Melasma and Hyperpigmentation.

[@faekz]

Red light does help. Use it everyday speeds up healing and helps pain.

[@250txc]

Great attitude by all 3 people here and very good advice on this therapy to say the least.. Sticking one of those face masks on your face often just reeks with so ego driven way of life .

[@ainakunigelyte]

Hey Claire, thanks for the video! The ending about the fat loss was very confusing, since Ivan says there is data that it causes fat loss, and we should check the parameters. Then Claire drew the distinction that while using face masks we won't lose fat rapidly. But if I use red light led mask and will lose fat slowly due to that, it is not any better, it is still a fat loss. Why then use it at all if no benefit that it has worth the fat loss, even in the long run? Fat loss is a major concern and the discussion just ended saying " it is something to think about". I thought the point was to clarify but instead it spread the vague threat of losing fat in the long run. Thus my question is: Can we use red light masks (home masks such. as Omnilux etc) safely without the risk of losing fat?

[@thehonestchannel]

A few studies have shown that red light has weight loss benefits which raises the question would using a red light mask cause a similar effect. Without really understanding why it might support weight loss it's impossible to give a definitive answer but, as we said, it's unlikely the masks would cause any major issues and it would become evident slowly over time, rather than sudden fat melting, so there's not much to worry about. It could very likely be regained pretty quickly too by stopping using the mask for a while.

[@ainakunigelyte]

@@thehonestchannel thank you for the response, Clare :) Slowly appearing fat loss is still a fat loss, so I dont understand why it seems like it is something you are not afraid of? :) Also, you talked about not overdoing it, so how many times per week would be ok to use a home led - mask? thank you, greetings

[@tuffstuff2U]

​@@ainakunigelyteI share Claire's concerns about any facial fat loss in the face because facial fat is an indicator of youthfulness. Facial fat gives form and structure to the face much like filler. So yes, facial fat loss is a concern when it comes to anti-aging.

[@ainakunigelyte]

@@EnniRoc true, but `i believe so far there are no studies that would show that either red light (considering the parameters on those popular masks such as Omnilux) have nor Tretinoin cause fat loss. THus for me all these discussions that just spread fears without any facts are just frustrating. I literally could find in YT any of the modalities - such as microcurrent, red light, tretinoin and probably even microneedling causing fat loss, but I will still use them, because I dont think there is an evidence for that considering the stength that we are using with red light. And also there is a choice to be extra cautious and dont do it at all, or use red light twice as little as manufacturer says like 5 min instead of 10 but then the risk is not getting benefits at all. So I was actually annoyed by this conversation as like with others in the channel that spread fears about tretinoin by a person who is not even a real scientist...(Adipeau creator).

[@ainakunigelyte]

@@EnniRoc I agree, but I don't see how we as consumers can do it, I just know that the "evidence" given in this channel was not real, so going only with suspicions then you gotta stop everything, since most of the modalities are suspected for adverse affects. What did you personally decide about red light and are you using any and how often, what device, and how many minutes? Also, tretinoin?it's hard for me to device when there is so much conflictinh opinions about this:(

[@austinpowers1999]

Can red light damage the eyes?

[@jenmom2]

Yes ofcourse if you don’t protect them.

[@selahr.]

The research on this isn’t settled. There are some studies that have shown red light can help with some eye conditions. But for home users, it’s probably wise to use some caution and not look directly into the red lights. But looking at your body or the environment while the red light is on (ie indirect exposure… the same way we can look around in sunlight but we shouldn’t look directly at the sun for more than a few seconds) should be fine if the brightness isn’t causing you discomfort or squinting, then it’s too bright (and you may have other eye or health issues going on that give you a different threshold than other people so listen to your body). Bright lights of any spectrum can cause pain or discomfort. If you’re using a device that uses red lasers (usually only medical/professional grade devices) then you should avoid eye contact/direct exposure. So far red and near infrared lights don’t appear to be damaging to the eyes to the average user using their device as the manufacturer of the device recommends. (For example, most panels recommend 6-12 inches away from the lights and avoid directly looking at the lights).