Hands-Free Driving Never Felt So Good! Comma 3X/SunnyPilot vs HDA2 | Ioniq 5 | Ioniq 6 | EV6

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[@marvindelacruz4611]

Just installed this on my Ioniq 5. Truly game changing and superior to stock HDA.

[@melissamiller607]

I’ve had the Comma 3x from when it first came out. It was the BEST money that i have ever spent. I don’t want to drive without it now.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I’m starting to feel the same way!

[@ChowTY42]

@@melissamiller607 I just bought mine on Facebook for $800. Wish me luck on a used model. Only been used for a few months! Hopefully I like it

[@RyanHawley76]

I've had my comma 3x in the gv60 for a few months now and I will never buy an unsupported vehicle from now on 🤘

[@KayvonJavid]

I have had my Comma 3 for over a year with Sunnypilot in my 2020 Sonata Limited and it works amazingly better than most first party driver assistance systems. Sunnypilot is tailored for Hyundai’ and Kia’s.

[@easternpa2]

Nice overview, thank you. I used OP back in 2019 but got rid of it (and the car) when the pandemic ended my commute a year later. I recently picked up a '21 Sonata Limited and ordered a 3X the same day. Two weeks later, I took it on a 2,000-mile road trip. It's so nice to be back in the saddle.

[@howardscho3809]

I found HDA works great on local roads as long as there are lane markers on the side. I drove a road in Alabama with lots of S Trurns at 50 mph and it was amazing.

[@DmitryKan68]

Thanks, Corbin. Getting C3 now after finding your endorsement. Been looking at it for a while now but felt like factory HDAS was sufficient. I solved "Hands on the wheel" nagging problem by attaching half-pound wrist exercise weight to the steering wheel. But during my last 800 miles trip from Boston to Quebec I discovered that HDAS (besides usual shortcomings of not reading half-visible lane markings) would often oversteer itself crossing inner line. And I wasn't even going above speed limit. It would start beeping at me as in "you are crossing the line!" but would not correct itself. I drive 200-300 miles a week on highways so hoping C3/Sunnypilot will make my life with Ioniq 5 even more fun.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

That's awesome! I'm truly missing it in my Ioniq 6 since I've been driving that a lot more lately than my Ioniq 5. Apparently the SE trim with HDA 1.5 isn't supported yet (praying it does soon) so I can only use it in my Ioniq 5 SEL. Had I known this, I would have likely gone for an Ioniq 6 SEL just for SunnyPilot.

[@EarthCreature.]

Comma is just an amazingly well done venture. I'm getting comma's open pilot on my Aptera because of innumerable positive reviews like yours.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I've got a reservation in for an Aptera!

[@larryboldt483]

I have comma 3 for my 2021 Toyota Hilander. Best investment for my car I have ever made. If you do a lot of driving, comma 3 it the way to go.

[@ncironhorse8367]

Probably the best demonstration of HDA and Openpilot.

[@Jimmy-Legs]

I bought a Comma 3x a couple months ago for my 2021 Toyota Highlander Hybrid. On hyways, I literally never have to touch the steering wheel except to change lanes. It’s been a godsend for me. I have neck, arm and hand issues that give me problems if I am driving more than a half hour or so. It really does make driving chill.

[@DmitryKan68]

Got my Comma 3X yesterday, had to wait excruciating 24 hrs for windshield mount to bond and took it on the road today. Holy smokes! Even without going trough advanced settings and learning about different drive models - this thing blows factory HDA2 out of the water! It actually does start to feel like an autopilot!

[@HazzaALshamsi-sg4jy]

is there any comma 4 coming ?

[@itzdcx]

I saw this on Facebook I thought it was fake WOW this tech insane😮 the future looks bright

[@ericanderson1753]

My wife couldn’t believe we were spending $1k on something so silly as the Comma 2 when we got it. She was not into the hype. A couple years later she will totally disqualify a vehicle in a purchase decision if it isn’t supported by Openpilot. Everyone who experiences Openpilot for themself as a driver understands. Unfortunately, it seems it takes that.

[@Livinghighandwise]

Same with my wife lol.

[@flashesbuck]

I had the same thoughts, I'm not telling her how much it was.

[@GregMeece]

I literally could have written this same comment. Same same. My wife was initially "You paid how much for this thing?" Now - "I won't buy a car that isn't supported by the Comma!" 😂

[@GregMeece]

Follow-up: we just leased an Ioniq 5 and one of the deciding factors was "is it compatible with the comma?" 🎉

[@hktrucker]

I will even pay triple if it's compatible to my commercial truck.

[@AlexRobinett]

It’s a lot better on twisting roads in experimental mode. You can still only engage steer and control throttle in that mode. Be warned it does disable auto emergencies braking.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Shoot me an email at [e-mail]

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Darn been using FSD version 12.3.6 an wow for $90.00 a month it has been really working very well, not need for lines on the highway etc, very human like in moving over for cars parked in the right lane that have people getting in or out of the vehicles, cycles, it moves way very, awesome. No real nags as I just hold the wheel with a couple of fingers, and as long as I am not messing about with the infotainment all good.

[@officialyasir]

This was great! Please compare against Tesla Autopilot/FSD

[@easternpa2]

I have both. OP is much better than AP, about the same as EAP, and can't really compete with FSD, especially v12.

[@bixkoh3193]

@@easternpa2 I don’t understand, is FSD better?

[@easternpa2]

@@bixkoh3193 far better in most ways, but worse in others. You never know when bad map data will cause FSD to decide your lane is going to end, forcing it to change lanes for no reason at all. OP is like the best lane centering system out there but not much more than that (yet).

[@GregMeece]

I've rented a Tesla Model 3 twice. Although the Tesla can do tighter turns via Autopilot, I found the system much more annoying than the Comma. With Autopilot you have to tug the steering wheel at seemingly random intervals or it will disengage. Tug TOO much and it disengages as well. 🤨 The Comma "just works" and it really is chill driving.

[@officialyasir]

@@GregMeece lastest version of FSD is handsfree, no more steering wheel nags/tugs, the interior camera monitors the driver to make sure they are paying attention.

[@58586stefan]

Hopefully with your visibility we'll be able to get the Ioniq 6 fully supported like the 5. I agree it's still an amazing system. But without Longitudinal control it's a little jerky at times. Thanks as always Corbyn!

[@antoinepageau8336]

I just got FSD V12, someone should do a showdown.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I’d like to do one. Just need to find a Model Y/3 in the area

[@KevinStull]

Post in any Tesla group and I GUARANTEE someone would love to go head-to-head

[@antoinepageau8336]

@@TheIoniqGuy They all have it now.

[@atomhayts]

Wow I'm surprised how well sunnypilot drops the speed on turns and have it not be experimental mode. It does shoot a few messages but that's still a big win for sunnyh. I usually drive on exp when it's not a highway so I'm super impressed they can do that on chill.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I was controlling speed on the real twisty roads at lower speeds. The higher speeds though were SP. I think it was just holding set speed at higher speed

[@StachelyPigglyBottom]

Hope you'll try some of the more advanced features and report back. Appreciate not everyone wants those but if I'm dropping $1k+ on this you better believe I'm going to use it to it's full potential.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Oh I’m definitely going to. This was supposed to be a first look video that doesn’t get too nerdy because many people wanted my opinion before they spent that much. I wanted to get it out before the sale ended but unfortunately, the sale ended today. I need some dev help to figure out how to activate some of the more advanced features

[@tommyboy7589]

Try frog pilot fork

[@volcalstone]

I've heard of Comma for a while now and had many chances to get their products but didn't pull the trigger due to its price and other factors like if i trust it enough. I don't trust FSD at its current state like for example in Telsa cars. The Comma 3X looks great tho but it's still not 100% there yet for me. I still might get it but I just wish it was better intergrated with the car. It would be awesome if they could separate the cameras from the device. I would perfer just mounting the cameras on the top like the fitcamx. If a wire needs to go down to the ODB port then that's fine but I wish we could just use our own phone as the display. If not then fine provide a display that we could mount elsewhere like on the left side of the windshield. I currently have HDA2 on my EV6 GT and it's decent but could be better. LKA should only need ro rely on one marker and not two. It seems so 2010 and not so much tech of the 20s. Please do more videos and night time driving as well.

[@GregMeece]

@@volcalstone for the record, the Comma/OpenPilot doesn't at all try to be FSD. It's much more of a direct equivalent to autopilot. It is definitely superior to HDA 2. Although I agree with you it would be pretty nifty if it could simply integrate into built-in cameras, etc. they have to have a baseline of known inputs and that would make it way more complicated. Just curious about it not being 100% there for you yet. Have you tried the system and what are your issues with it? I'm not at all a shill for the product or the company, but we have been extremely happy with it.

[@TomTomdog]

you need to hired by Hyundai as a Director of Autopilot. Company needs people like you.

[@velocity7180c]

Thankyou for your great video. I am new to this. Your video gave a great real world perspective. Very interested in this for the next car I get.

[@PeterKyllesbeck]

HDA 2 can only be activated on 'highways' or similar classified roads (basically roads with no cross traffic) In the manual 7-109 it states: "The Highway Driving Assist is available only on controlled access road of certain highways. (except for the interchange/junction) 􀃃 Controlled access road indicates roads with limited entrances and exits that allow uninterrupted high speed traffic flow. Only passenger cars and motorcycles are allowed on controlled access roads. 􀅛􀀃 Additional highways may be expanded by future navigation updates." Here in Denmark (EU) the my22 IONIQ 5 only middle and upper trim had HDA 2 - the lowest just HDA Currently, you have to pay extra for HDA 2 (all trims)

[@Draconis8888]

Wow! Thanks for the review and showing us your experience. It looks super promising. If I was driving more, I'd really consider getting one. How does it deal with stop and go traffic?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I haven’t experienced bumper to bumper yet with the device but I’ll keep you guys posted on that

[@johncooksey79]

thanks, I did wonder this, and was thinking it may not be worth it but them I saw your video.

[@pauldirschka7052]

The Hyundai feature I most use and appreciate is the adaptive cruse with its excellent stopping capability behind a leading vehicle. Auto braking does not seem useful unless adaptive cruse is enabled. How well does the 3ed party Comma system implement auto breaking?

[@Justin_Maldo]

With the exception of certain software forks, use of the comma will retain most safety features like automatic emergence braking and radar cruise control just like normal.

[@SFzip]

At 9:50, the comma's hesitation to complete the lane change might have been because the white car from the adjacent lane was quickly approaching on the left. This theory hinges on the fact that comma uses the blind spot proximity sensor for making lane changes.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

That could definitely be a possibility. I still don’t have enough mileage to have a frame of reference for these little things

[@Cory182]

Yes, it does use the car's built-in sensors and you can see the status of them on the screen. If there's someone in your blind spot, it will put a red shaded area on the screen next to the edge of the lane.

[@makimbell_]

When navigating, do you put the destination into the actual Comma 3X device? Or does it connect with the onboard nav and/or Android Auto? Or directly with your phone?

[@GregMeece]

@@makimbell_ It's not really a navigation device. They had maps as an experimental feature for a while, but it really is a super lane-keeping assistant and adaptive cruise control. It essentially just keeps you safely in the lane you've chosen. It will do a lane change as long as you have verified that the traffic is clear for you to do so. Other than that, it's not going to navigate you somewhere. There are plenty of videos you can look for to get a feel for what the device does It may not seem like it's worth it, but believe me once you try it out for a while, you will probably never want to go back. They do offer a 30-day return.

[@makimbell_]

@@GregMeece Hey, thanks for the reply! I did end up getting one a few months ago, and I love it. The reason I had asked about navigation is because I kept seeing "end to end navigation" as an experimental feature. It would be nice to have integrated navigation and even have it help you with (some) actual turns, sort of like Tesla autopilot (which I hate even mentioning). But yeah, having been using the device for months, it's so good. I would say it's 95% hands free on the highway, and 85% hands free for my work commute.

[@reyd156]

It would be interesting if you did a video on the installation process. Most things run the other way when I approach with any tool...how tough is this to install with removal of covers, running cable down the door post, etc?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

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[@reyd156]

@@TheIoniqGuy But I don't have green nails (less snarky, thanks!).

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Sorry but those are required for a hassle free install 😂

[@mainytaccount]

Fantastic review. Do you know if it works with the 2024 Kona EV and likewise for the facelifted ioniq 5? Looking at the official Comma list of compatible vehicles, it lists the Kona EV as 2022 and 2023 models (which I think should apply to the 2024 too) and for the ioniq 5 it covers till 2024 but it's not clear if it'll work with the facelifted too.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

There is usually a lag time between cars coming out to when its known if the device will work with it. I wouldn't purchase one expecting it to definitely work with a future vehicle you purchase. For example: works with my Ioniq 5 but doesn't work with my 24 Ioniq 6 SE. Had I gone with an SEL, it would work.

[@yacko00]

4:37 not to be mean, but don’t need to see you talking on half the screen, I want to see the hand/wheel/nav interactions. You say as you can see on the screen, no I can’t cause it’s small and half the screen only!

[@StressedDesserts]

Can you do some testing in inclement weather? Like a decent rainstorm? I’ve had issues with HDA on highway in rain where it falsely deactivates because of false sensor readings.

[@fredrose111]

this looks really good. what do you think are the possibilities that this could complete with tesla, making left turns, tricky navigations, doing an entire trip with no supervision? I have been quite satisfied with hsa 2 but sometimes it doesn't want to slow down and other times speeds up really fast. thanks for these videos. btw i have an ioniq 6

[@IshmeetSinghahuja]

Absolutely amazing video.. can you do a side by side comparison between IONIQ 5 and IONIQ 6 use with comma ai? I am really interested in buying comma device but I have an IONIQ 6 . Thank you !!

[@WdawgSmith]

This whole comments sections reads like a bunch of fake reviews on Amazon honestly ….. in KZbin there are never ALL positive reviews Even with the best product of all time it would skew like 75/25 And they are all using very flowery language Such as “for years I used my normal highway drive assist, but No longer as I now have my sunnypilot v2!!! And my wife loves it !” Yeah I’m good I think I like having my hands near the steering wheel Cars and other drivers are not to the point yet where it’s safe to just check out while driving

[@rockmeamadeus6105]

Great video! Have you tried Experimental Mode on this device to see if it recognizes stop lights and stop signs? Does OP longitudinal work on the Ionic 5? I have been using a Comma 3 for 2 years, about 30K. I've been using Sunnypilot for most of that time. I've never been able to activate OP longitudinal. I drive a Kia Forte. I am very happy with the lateral. Hoping someday they are able to add longitudinal for my vehicle.

[@AndriesTom]

Thanks to your presentation, we've got a Comma 3x. Just received it, so no experience yet. Did my first highway drive yesterday (IONIQ5 as from April 12th) and it's overall a great experience. But I can't see why automated speed adjustment would be limited to the highway where speed is almost always 120, while on secondary roads it varies all the time between 30 (school environment), 50 (city env), 70 or 90 km/h. Also, why not stop/start for red/green light? I hope the comma 3X delivers more if those features handsfree ...

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Most of these features are available when you move into experimental mode. I personally haven’t played with them but they are there. Are you running SunnyPilot?

[@AndriesTom]

Do you have a recording of installing the hardware? PS: I'll get the FitcamX too, another one of your recommendations ...

[@ArshadKazi]

I've been looking for someone to do exactly this comparison. I have the Ioniq 6 with HDA2 and wanted to see if it will be worth the purchase.

[@richardweiss6181]

This is pretty cool. Thanks for sharing it. How did you find the navigation software? Also, how are the maps updated? Do you have to do it manually, or is there a way to update them over the air? I’m interested in seeing how it integrates with the instrument cluster display. For example, do you get images of the surrounding vehicles as you do with HDA2?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I haven't tested automatic navigation yet. I need some help from a dev to figure that out as there really isn't a whole lot out there that I can find. You can download an area and update maps like you do with google maps for remote use. You still get the images of surrounding cars as you do when not using the Comma.

[@colinsullivan8416]

Great video, beside reading the documentation on the comma and sunnypilot sites, are there other places you are going for research?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

There’s a discord channel that I need to spend a bit more time in. It seems like that’s the main place to be

[@GregMeece]

Quick question - will the Fitcamx you reviewed/recommended in any way interfere with the Comma installation? We've had the Comma for over 3 years now on our Prius Prime and we just leased our Ioniq 5 last Saturday. We plan on getting/installing a Comma 3x when (hopefully) they go on sale again on Black Friday, but just curious as to whether to order the Fitcamx as well. I've used the Comma as a dashcam of sorts, but that's really not its forte. Thanks in advance for your answer.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

The comma doesn’t fit well because of the fitcamx. It drops it quite low on the windshield which gives it poorer view and blocks your view as the driver. The comma is basically always recording while driving so in my opinion you don’t really need a dash cam anymore so I just took my fitcam out

[@TBB0LTZZ]

Can you still use the Fitcam X with the Comma3?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

You can. I chose to remove mine so that I could mount the Comma as high up for best visibility as possible. The Comma is more or less a dash cam as whenever you’re driving, it’s recording

[@volcalstone]

Does this have to be mounted in the center only or could you place it to the left of the rear mirror?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

They say center

[@stevens1646]

How long did it take for you to "trust" the system and learn its shortcomings? This is supposed to make for a more relaxed driving experience but I feel that I would constantly be worried that something would go wrong and I'd get into an accident. TIA

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Probably about a month. After thousands of miles now the only real shortcoming I deal with is tight radius turns where it wants to to take over. This can be overcome by using experiemental mode but I drive in the standard release.

[@Plague_Rat778]

Wish this was available for my car. Sadly, they have a harness for the 2018 Ford focus, but not the 2017 fusion.

[@celinepark6855]

this is fantastic!! thank you!!!

[@targetpace2680]

can you compare the accuracy of the lane centering and the the smoothness of the steering input to HDA? Would it improve the cruise control responsiveness?

[@fredrose111]

when are you doing an update with any new features (like an in town drive)? when are you doing the longer trip wit the I6? thanks

[@Rhynri]

How much does it interfere with your ability to see out of the windshield? One of my hangups with the comma is that area happens to be where I look to see cross traffic at intersections - I wish they would divorce the display from the cameras so I could put the main body elsewhere.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

It certainly blocks the view a bit but not enough for me where I wouldn’t use it because of it. That would be cool is they could have a remote camera pod that takes up less space

[@axion8788]

HDA would be fine if they just switched to capacitive sensing of steering wheel contact. I have it on 99% of the time.

[@garyclark6747]

So I would assume that it’s either spoofing the HDA requirement of a torque input on the steering wheel or it is putting one in on what it knows to be the periodic basis that it’s requiring it. Makes me wonder if that’s what was happening when it was changing lanes on the highway. Nice review but honestly, I give a regular input for HDA based on my desire to be in a slightly different positions in the lane with surrounding traffic or potholes, etc. 12:37

[@msanchez701]

Cool video. Thx! Does "requires full attention" also mean no texting or no looking at your phone?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Haven’t tried but I don’t think it would halt all operations if you glanced down for a few seconds

[@Cory182]

Yes, it will complain if you start looking down at your phone

[@Justin_Maldo]

Comma uses head monitoring, if you look down or away from the road, for extended periods of time or frequently, it will ping you to pay attention.

[@igiveupfine]

well dang it. think i do really want to add this in.

[@ev_kimchi]

So I love playing around with tech, but not letting it drive my car. With self-driving, these systems appear "safe" until that small percentage where they are not. Objectively speaking, having a hand on your steering wheel is more safe, and there are good reasons why OEM systems are built to be more conservative than open source software. Before trusting one of these, I would stop and pause and think that you are not only taking on risk for yourself, but also for others on the road around you that haven't decided to agree to drive near open-source nightly developer builds of software.

[@Cory182]

This is not really self-driving. It's just a more advanced version of the level 2 driver assistance features built-in to the car. The driver is still 100% responsible for the car's movements. The built-in features require frequent steering input because that's how it can confirm you're still there and paying attention. The c3x just does that with a driver-facing camera and an AI model that tells it what the driver is doing and where they're looking. With the additional information, it should be considered MORE safe.

[@Methanoskttr]

Driving is a risk in general even if you consider yourself a "great" driver. Being "too" careful can be even more dangerous to others. That said, these systems are not a replacement at all for the driver. This is the primary thing I think most drivers with these features don't understand and the WHY that could lead to elevated danger. Being careless and not paying attention could very well lead to easily avoidable accidents.

[@kristenlungbatista1310]

Does this integrate or utilize the car’s sensors, or is it just completely taking the place of them? I’m curious about the emergency braking features for example

[@TheIoniqGuy]

It integrates with the car's safety functions. For example: the Comma 3X doesn't have its own radar sensor so for distance control, it's still using the cars radar based system.

[@robinpanicker]

Can I use this on my Ioniq 5 in India? I tried to check with Hyundai India but they didn't give me a clear answer. :(

[@dealerovski82]

Can I run Sunny Pilot on a Ioniq Electric 2020 with the old Comma3?

[@javi3830]

Does this have an application? Say if you are at home, can you remote start it?

[@jamesjudd6577]

Damn. So tempted.

[@JohnSmith-uz3dt]

Bummer, they don’t have the 2024 listed yet. The digital mirror seems to be creating a problem for a compatible wiring harness.

[@yappyfox]

the 2024 is supported.. Same harness as the 2023.. The "Hyundai Q" harness. I installed it in my 2024 Limited with digital mirror with no issue

[@jamesa4289]

Did you ever try the experimental features? I have a new Ioniq 5 SEL with HDA2 and got a Comma 3x. Both SunnyPilot and Open Pilot (Master vs stock) seem to work well for basic lane centering, etc. but I cant get speed sign recognition or stop light/stop sign recognition to work in experimental mode at all which is disappointing. SunnyPilot wants to make intersection turns when navigating but wont slow down for stop signs etc so I have to cancel and intervene at each intersection which defeats the point. OP says it can do this but I dont see anyone on the Discord community saying how its supposed to work. If you happen to figure it out please make a video (for all Hyundai HDA2 users!) Thanks.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

No I haven’t had time to mess around with the comma lately but it’s something I’ll be playing with when I have more time over the coming months

[@wolfman9999999]

My only real question on these system is how they would handle someone having a medical emergency or simply falling asleep behind the wheel when these systems are active. I presume they just nope themselves offline for failure to respond to their warnings and disengage, leaving the car to crash?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Something I can try to simulate in another video but I would rather have one of these systems engaged if I were to have a medical emergency versus just driving off the side of the road at full speed.

[@SFzip]

@@TheIoniqGuy Yes, please simulate a scenario where the driver loses consciousness or the ability to safely operate the car’s controls. I hope it can automatically activate the emergency blinkers and gradually bring the car to a complete stop. That would be incredible.

[@wolfman9999999]

@@TheIoniqGuy This would be an excellent test. It has been a curiosity as to how these systems would respond to the failure to tug the wheel, which is what presumably would happen if somone falls asleep or loses consciousness behind the wheel. Thank you.

[@Nerdificationing]

Since its plugged into the obd port - would be nice if it showed all the charging stuff

[@TheIoniqGuy]

OpenPilots focus is self driving. They’re not going to give up processing power to that especially since it’s not an EV specific device

[@Cory182]

The OBD2 cable is only needed for fingerprinting the car during initial setup and for keeping the c3x powered for a period of time after turning off the car. If you remove the OBD2 cable, it will still work with power from the camera harness, but it will need to do a full reboot every time you turn the car on, and it won't be online to upload videos and such once you turn the car off.

[@khandkepravin]

Can you please post the video of open pilot vs side car?

[@ChristopherFerguson]

How does it deal with obstacles or pedestrians? Cyclists? Does it move to give them more room?

[@francisguarin9065]

if i install open pilot will can i use it in conjunction with hda2?

[@dealerovski82]

is there a build where the car slows down on turns and recognize and stops at round abouts?

[@GregMeece]

@@dealerovski82 the SunnyPilot fork of OpenPilot can optionally slow down on curves and I'd say it works OK-ish. I've not tried on roundabouts (known more commonly as traffic circles in my area) as we don't have a lot of them here.

[@dealerovski82]

@@GregMeece I m in europe so we have alot of them and its dangerous if you dont pay attention and no car in front of you.

[@combidoc]

Howabout night driving?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I’ll be covering lots of things in upcoming videos

[@GraysonA]

Does it still have the same audible and visual alerts when you use the turn signal and there is a car in the blind spot? Do all of the stock safety features *such as rear cross traffic alert) and alerts still behave the same?

[@AlexRobinett]

Yep it does.

[@jamesjudd6577]

So its $1250? Plus you have to buy the $200 car specific adapter ?

[@GregMeece]

@@jamesjudd6577 Totally worth it!

[@rydahog]

Does it have dash cam ability. ? Or can I keep my fitcamx with this too? Ty

[@Cory182]

It does store recordings of your recent drives, but it doesn't make a great dash cam overall. There's no way to record while the car is off, and while it's possible, it's not easy to download specific footage.

[@angelamorley9921]

If you have the fitcam x dash cam that replaces the upper Shell behind the mirror, can you still use this, system installing this In the center would block the dash cam, I wonder if you can put this system off to the side of the pillar?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

It has to be centered. It’s always recording when the car is moving so it’s more or less a dash cam

[@tonester697]

I noticed that when you did the lane change there was no turn signal video displayed in the instrument cluster; does it not appear when Comma 3X is in use, or does your vehicle not have the turn signal camera feature?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I don't have a Limited trim which has those.

[@tommyboy7589]

They still appear in Limited.

[@neilcollins7371]

Does it have to be center mounted or can it be calibrated to be off center? I have the fitcamx dashcam for my Ioniq5 and Im worried mounting it in the middle of the windscreen will block the dashcam. Are there any suitable solutions to this issue? Thanks for the great video.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

The instructions say to mount it in the center of the windshield. You could attach it directly to the FITCAMX if you wanted to it would just hang down a bit lower which would impede forward visibility. The Comma is also more or less a dash cam as it’s always recording when it’s running

[@neilcollins7371]

@TheIoniqGuy ah, if it's always recording and you can take off the recording then that totally takes away that issue. Great to know and thanks so much for the quick reply.

[@cheungkingchung3550]

May i ask a question that my Ioniq 5 in Hong Kong don‘t have HDA. C3X is not work with my car? Thank You.

[@cheungkingchung3550]

Also if C3X is fit for my Hong Kong Ioniq 5, what harness will work with my car? Online shop have 2 Hyundai Q & K harness. Harness is for Southeast Asia and car with HDA II. K is for the car without HDA II.

[@TheDraconiuslives]

Does it use all the other cameras and sensors, so therefore it knows it's safe to change lanes, etc?

[@Cory182]

It only uses its own cameras, but it does use the car's sensors

[@Justin_Maldo]

Blindspot monitoring can prevent/delay lane changes, but this all boils down to software and driver customizations. If you as a driver allow the system to ignore them, it will make in safe lane changes. On the other end, you can block lane changes too.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

I am waiting for the Tesla model Y version they are in final stages of wiring harness, so likely mid summer.

[@easternpa2]

Not sure if you've been following along in Discord, but the HW3 for 3/Y is out.

[@mainytaccount]

@@easternpa2 I heard of the Tesla version, but it's still not listed in their official compatibility list on their web site

[@easternpa2]

@@mainytaccount only about 2/3rds of cars that drive fine are on the official compatibility list. George has said in the past it may never be officially supported because the wheel fights you too hard when you want to take over.

[@Salanan]

Comma Ai site says this requires HDA2 for Ioniq 6. Do they all have that? I'm looking at the base trim "SE" and can't tell if it has it or not.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I can't use the Comma on my Ioniq 6 SE so it's probably the same for Ioniq 5

[@Salanan]

@@TheIoniqGuy I ended up getting a Ioniq 6 SEL shortly after posting this. Now to figure out if I think Comma 3x is worth it or not

[@vethbin]

Will this work with an SE trim that doesn’t have the rear view mirror dimmer?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Yeah this doesn’t connect to the mirror but the camera behind the mirror

[@knupification]

Will you be using the device in your next Hyundai?

[@LawpickingLocksmith]

Try Epilog self drive!

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Interesting but not available for anything but Toyota right now

[@dguy321]

Does the comma 3x make noise before disengaging? In my Tucson, there is no tone when lane keeping is about to disengage. There is a tone when you've changed gears via the paddle shifters the system is about to return to 'D', which is annoying. Seems like the Hyundai engineers put the tone on the wrong state change. It's a safety issue really.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Yes, when it wants you to intervene it flashes orange on the screen and a loud tone sounds

[@dguy321]

@@TheIoniqGuy awesome. Does HDA do the same wrt the tone? I'm hoping the issue was addressed by Hyundai as well.

[@scootercrossking]

From my experience using HDA 2 on a Kia EV6 I've found lane keeping can disengage suddenly and without an audible alert, quite frustrating and a safety issue in my opinion.

[@volcalstone]

​@@scootercrosskingit sucks that it has to rely on two markers to keep you centered. Why can't it just use one marker cause that would be enough info imo. As you know and seen in this video not roads have two markers. Around my area lanes that are against the curbs don't have a line painted so lane keep assist is useless most of the time. I remembered my 20 Accord being able to keep its lane on those streets but you had to be above 40mph or so for it to engage.

[@dguy321]

@@scootercrossking that's too bad. Was really hoping they caught and fixed this with later SW. I have a 2023 Tucson with HDA(1). It's crazy they didn't catch this while testing the lane keeping feature.

[@GraysonA]

How does it handle traffic lights and stop signs?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I haven’t explored those settings yet

[@Justin_Maldo]

Experimental modes can enable stop light and sign actions, but it’s definitely in its early stages and most comma users don’t use them.

[@josephwillis6250]

Hey! Love the video … I also in Connecticut and in the area and I have a Genesis gv60 performance. Looking to buy this for my vehicle. Let me know if you would be interested in assisting installing and making a video on it!

[@GraysonA]

Why did you choose Sunnypilot over the other ones?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I go over that in the video

[@GraysonA]

@@TheIoniqGuy I watched it, but was wondering why it interacts better with our cars, and how you determined that.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I’m sorry, I completely misread your question! The only reason I’ve been using sunnypilot is because A: it was the top recommendation B: Sounds like it has the most devs working on it outside of OpenPilot. C: From what I’ve read it just has some better integrations with Hyundai vs the others but I still have so much more to explore.

[@vhol93]

Cool !

[@waynec96]

are CAN FD panda kit required?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Nope! I think that was only with previous versions of the Comma

[@waynec96]

@@TheIoniqGuy great thanks

[@Justin_Maldo]

Panda is built into 3X, still required on 3 or before.

[@ElRobo1956]

Open Pilot looks like a great product, but I made my 23 Palisade Calligraphy almost as good with only spending 15 bucks for a set of wrist weights and attaching 1 on the right side of the steering wheel! I regularly have to drive on a 340 round trip on mostly 4 lane highways and no longer have to get frequent reminders to keep my hands on the steering wheel!

[@reyd156]

I take it that it doesn't decelerate in exit lanes?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I think it can I just haven’t gotten that far in experimentation yet

[@CSIG1001]

This is all just a Fad until it truly gets implemented into cars at no cost to the driver and wont be in beta. I am fine with HDA2. I need something that is not experimental and can work with stop signs and red lights along with turns/ avoidances etc.

[@MichaelMrak]

Well done 🤣

[@allenbaylus3378]

I do not like that the company basically has no support - no chat/phone - espically on pre-sales questions. You have to have an order id and a dongle id number in order to process any questions. Looks nice - 1250 plus 200 for the cable is a bit much to sink into a product when some of the features are already supported in the product. And with limited ways of contacting them it feels like I will have the same issue when the Comma 3 has its first issues. Plus - the nag screens for touching the steering wheels are required by law - that is one of the big complaints about Tesla FSD - that the camera cand steering wheel sensors can be easily tricked.

[@easternpa2]

Their Discord is very busy and you can find help any time day or night.

[@JustAboveAveragePodcast]

HDA seems to only work on freeways and highways

[@sansin6250]

I will stick to GM Super Cruise. I don't need the latest and greatest tech.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I haven’t tried GMs super cruise but I imagine it’s more or less very similar

[@MAGApepe]

kool :))

[@ibuk4309]

HDA assist was never designed for those roads ,I don't think hands free driving on twistys is a safe idea ,there's a reason those systems aren't legal in Europe !

[@ericanderson1753]

With respect, I have to disagree. We’ve had a Comma for a few years now and it has driven our family over 50,000 miles. With attention and supervision it is safe and capable, even on twisty and laneless back roads.

[@ibuk4309]

​@@ericanderson1753 There's the key words !! ATTENTION and SUPERVISION!! many wouldn't do that hence why they're not legal in Europe or UK.

[@ericanderson1753]

@@ibuk4309 I think the thing I’m reacting to is how folks have opinions about stuff (which is fine, by the way), but there is an empirical fact of the matter to things like accidents on windy roads. Do [proportionally] more happen on Openpilot than not on Openpilot?

[@salmiakki5638]

@@ericanderson1753 I didn't know they weren't legal here in the EU, any reading material about this?

[@Marco-ki2jr]

@ibuk4309 plenty of people in EU using a comma ai. Legal or not.

[@BYP333]

Rain snow wipers?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

What is this in reference to?

[@BYP333]

@@TheIoniqGuy Know that Tesla is sensitive about this. For example, the windshield wiper starts for the slightest bit of dirt even if it's not raining/snowing or disconnects the self-driving because of it!

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Unless this camera gets completely hindered I don’t think it really matters. Just adjust your windshield wiper appropriately

[@GlitterGuru]

How is this legal?

[@Cory182]

It's just a more advanced version of what already comes with the car. Why wouldn't it be legal?

[@ibuk4309]

​@@Cory182absolutely not legal in Europe or UK the reason our road deaths are about a 5th of the USA 🤔

[@AHumanMale]

Pass. This seems like a lot of money to spend-and risk to take- just to not have to keep your hands on the wheel. Regardless of how well the system appears to do in brief and limited testing, we know it’s the unpredictable edge cases that pose the real challenge to any ADAS. Who is liable if it makes a mistake resulting in injury or death? Some startup whose device runs open source software? The manufacturer of the car you modified? Nope, you’re on your own. When an automaker has enough confidence to buy Comma or at least license their tech and put it into its vehicles, that’s the time to take it seriously. Until then, it’s a big roll of the dice for a modicum of extra convenience.