CritterCast: RWBY Rewrites ft: Twiins iink

[@UnicornofWar]

Ultimately, rewrites are fanfiction, just on a bigger scale. They're meant to be fun, and it's also a case in how pre-existing work can inspire others to put their own spin on something they love. That should be encouraged, not demonized. Hell, Monty's classic fight animations are all fanmade content. And if we look to the world of professional animation, Disney literally built their empire on mostly public domain stories that they embellished with their own branding. All art is derivative, to some degree. And here I shall plug Shanespeare's excellent video essay: Originality Is Dead, and I'm Dancing On Its Grave.

[@MrDJFlyHi]

But didn't u help foster this kind of behaviour. Basically attack ppl who question the show in its merit especially on twitter and have directed your "followers" to do the same. But now when the shoe is on the other foot you complain about toxic fandom which you helped build in the first place.

[@UnicornofWar]

@@MrDJFlyHi It's true. I did absolutely contribute to that culture (in what I refer to as my "pinkwashing era"). Fuck, I popularized the term "hatedom," and then essentially the monster I helped created turned on me. Looking back on my behavior I'm not surprised at the outcome, but I do apologize to those I hurt and will continue to do so.

[@thefloofartist1908]

@@UnicornofWar Thank you. I know we've had our differences a couple years ago and don't interact, but I really, truly, appreciate you going and saying this. Kudos to you and kudos for owning up to it.🦊👍 I would also like to thank you for indirectly helping me get away from Twitter. The person I was a couple years ago endlessly whining about the show like a petulant brat wasn't who I wanted to be and though harsh, you got me to change for the better. Thank you again. Take care for now, and I can't wait to see your next rewrite video!

[@MrDJFlyHi]

@@UnicornofWar shabash. Good answer 👍

[@UnicornofWar]

@@thefloofartist1908 Holy shit I didn't expect that reply. I know how awful I was to you Floof and I'm so sorry. You didn't deserve the passive aggressive cruelty I dealt. I'm at least glad to hear you've been taking care of yourself, and I hope you're well. All the best. ♥ Weirdly I was listening to the Utena theme song the other day and thinking back to my regrets, so now I'm gonna just sit back and question the universe's machinations XD

[@jonnjones8263]

What I do find interesting is that there is not a single fanbase I've come across that has more rewrites than the RWBY fandom. This is the only fandom where nearly EVERYONE feels like the story needs to be rewritten in some way which I feel is really telling.

[@LooneyLei]

I mean, I guess the Ladybug fandom comes close but yeah :]

[@donnamitsuki281]

@@LooneyLei I've been wanting to do a Miraculous Ladybug rewrite since like season 3 but I'm too lazy lmao

[@francescominoguarino827]

I've searched for a good RWBY reperite but I want something big and good. What Is generally the most well recived of the RWBY rewrites?

[@francescominoguarino827]

@@LooneyLei Can you please recomand me of a Miracoulus rewrites that had Original Character as protagonists (like either sons of the cast, minor character or complete OC)?

[@lilyovalle7254]

@@francescominoguarino827 The Rwby Remnants one is my favorite and it is my favorite

[@melodicconvergence574]

Okay, the "Team RWBY doesn't get to do crap" and "The kids aren't even friends anymore they barely talk to each other" squares on the Bingo board are already canon.

[@thomasraines1396]

Especially that second one.

[@momonomo2008]

As someone who does a lot of writing for a lot of fandoms, RWBY is one of the only fandoms I’ve seen where alternative interpretations of the original work are actively discouraged and hated upon. I’m prominent in the genshin impact and bsd fandoms and SO many fics are divergent from canon that the only thing they all have in common are the characters. But RWBY fanfics, rewrites, fixing, etc. all have this stigma around the fandom for some reason. I think it has to do with how critiqued RWBY is compared to other media. The fandom, like you guys have mentioned before, is often incredibly defensive of the original work. I think that those who look at rewrites in ire see the very concept of rewriting a work as a critique. As if the feeling that someone wanted to rewrite RWBY equates to them seeing that something was wrong with the show. I also think this mindset is *intensified* by positive responses to rewrite. Take Celtic Phoenix’s “Fixing RWBY” for example. A lot of the positive responses tote it as being better than the original show. Since it’s the most popular RWBY rewrite I’ve seen a lot of the fandom just Seem to have the idea that all rewriters and the fans of rewrites just hate the original show. And it’s like kdndkdkndfkdnskjs Also, writers are often more criticized than artists in fandom in general to be honest. You never really see drawn AUs (such at comics featuring them in the modern day, still in Beacon, etc) get slammed on for being fanworks or changing things about the original show. This ramble probably makes no sense sorry 💀 But as someone who does make fanfic and fandom writing this is a topic I’ve thought about a lot Edit: Jesus that bingo board is so condescending and stupid. The square about the oc character legitimately made me pissed blehh

[@pumkin610]

Your rant ramble paragraphs make sense to me.

[@momonomo2008]

@@pumkin610 Ty

[@lordvexacus6011]

What's BSD stand for?

[@momonomo2008]

@@lordvexacus6011 bungo stray dogs! A great anime with a (questionably) great fanbase :)

[@Rose-ew7bv]

Really? Weird, to be honest my experience has actually been pretty good. I think the rwby fanfic community is definetly one of the larger ones out there and the cannon divergence ones are usually taken pretty well, so long as they dont mess with as many of the better parts of the first few volumes

[@wrigglenight93]

One of my favorite moments from Fixing is when Weiss asks Blake if her food preferences stem from being a cat faunus, Blake gives her a look, and she apologizes and explains that she genuinely doesn't know. Getting over harmful biases like that can be a difficult and at times humiliating process, and seeing Weiss making an active effort is fantastic. Great moment for those two early on

[@jonnjones8263]

I think people's problem is that they think rewrites imply theres something wrong with RWBY that needs to be fixed. RWBY Fans don't even like the implication that their beloved RWBY may somehow be in "error". These are the people who think RWBY is absolutely perfect as it is and the idea that people would need to fix it or make it better is taken as an insult.

[@tamiej.5558]

"I think people's problem is that they think rewrites imply theres something wrong with RWBY that needs to be fixed." Bingo. That's really the tall and short of it.

[@TitanXecutor]

Even joking about stuff we don't like about the show is taken as an insult.

[@SwitchbackCh]

They treat RWBY like how a lot of hyperreligious Christians treat the Bible, and as someone raised Christian (and still essentially consider myself one) familiar with the groupthink and how many people just eat the words of someone they respect and not actually think for themselves or see the actual work with their own eyes and shut out any dissenting opinions even within their own community, a lot of it is... uncomfortably similar.

[@jonnjones8263]

@@SwitchbackCh Yeah I've noticed this very religious like behavior when it comes to RWBY. They engage in religious tactics like demonizing anyone who isn't of their faith. If you criticize RWBY or bumblebee you're some kinda "phobic". These terms and labels are meaningless words used to slander anyone who disagrees with their grand narrative. Slander and defame the enemy in order to discredit them.

[@thomasraines1396]

It’s like anything said about that isn’t 100% positive is seen as some sort of blasphemy.

[@emilylentz1027]

Unicorn of war did a volume 8 rewrite and there was tumbler post that just insulted it and them saying like "volume 8 was perfect! Your a hack writer!" And its like leave Unicorn of war alone why can't they have fun with something they care about!

[@StoogesFan]

Vol 8...perfect... *OMEGALUL* you serious? Though if by perfect they mean a perfect train wreck of a shitstorm, then I'd agree with them lol. Edit: Unicorns rewrite was a million times better

[@PaintSplashProductions]

I commented on that video about I respectfully didn’t like what they did with Oscar in that rewrite and one of the replies I got to that was Thomas was apparently an abuser so of course their writing is awful, like... what?! I asked for proof of their statement and I still haven’t gotten a reply soooo

[@fishnewt1331]

@@PaintSplashProductions: Yeah. It happens with people where they claims outrageous things with, like, no proof. It’s real scummy of them for doing that and great of you for not buying into it without evidence or proper research.

[@PaintSplashProductions]

@@fishnewt1331 I learnt after years of seeing people get cancelled to spot fact from fiction

[@emilylentz1027]

@@StoogesFan facts

[@kaialexander6806]

I think something a lot of non-abuse survivors don't realise is that for a lot of us who have survived abuse, it can be cathartic to explore abusive characters and abusive relationships. It's not the same for everyone, but there are a lot of who will gravitate to characters like Adam because it's something we can relate to. This kind of interaction gives us a safe space to relive and explore our experiences, and can often be very therapeutic. We don't do it because we think abuse is great, we do it for catharsis. Same reason you watch a horror film or you go on a rollercoaster. When I write about abuse, I'm not glorifying it, I'm sharing my experiences and giving myself room to heal. It's no different to the poem I wrote two days ago about mourning the child I could have been without abuse. It's really shitty to tell abuse survivors that we don't get to do this because you don't like it, and it's also shitty to demand us share our abuse stories to "justify" us writing and reading it. You're not helping abuse survivors in anyway, you're just an asshole.

[@TitanXecutor]

This may be small, but so far, the worst experience I had is on Twitter where I joked about how Ruby herself thinks she's not a good protagonist, then somebody said I'm one of those who don't like the show because it's not written how I want it. Isn't that the point of an opinion? Can't I express what I don't like about the show without people getting up in arms about it? I wasn't trying to be rude to others, and if you think Ruby is the greatest protagonist in fiction, fine, but respect my opinion, and I'll respect yours. You guys are right about people treating this show like the Bible, how it should never be changed, and it is beyond stupid.

[@mikhailgeorgiev98]

I've been lucky not to encounter such toxicity. Sorry you had to go through that. I agree that it sad Ruby could have been written better. I meet people who disagree with me but never that bad.

[@TitanXecutor]

@@mikhailgeorgiev98 I'm glad you haven't. Thanks and the really sad thing is I'm sure it's a fraction compared to what other people might have gone through thanks to these buffoons

[@peterclaymore2239]

I think there is a very fascinating phenomenon at play here. Why is there this religious and dogmatic approach to enjoying Rwby? And more so… why is it only with Rwby? Are there any other media properties out there with crazy zealots for fans… on par with RWBY I mean.

[@TitanXecutor]

@@peterclaymore2239 You would think that kind of worship would make RWBY an underrated classic, but no. If anything, they're overrating it!

[@gamingduoz2164]

This is why I don't have Twitter. The sea of toxicity is endless. 😒

[@upjohn1715]

During Celtic’s Fixing RWBY i made a comment praising him for making Adam and the Branwen tribe actual characters to care about and some rando complained at me saying Adam wasn’t the main character. I told him he never was, that wasn’t the point of my comment and then he responded with “I’m sorry you care more about the male characters and shit on female characters so easily” as if he was labeling me as misogynistic. It’s even more annoying when I told him when I was praising Celtic for how he handle the Branwen tribe I brought up that the two most important members of said tribe (Raven and Vernal) are female. RWBY fanatics really are just looking for things to scream at since they ain’t got shit to bitch about.

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

Was it Eren? That reads like a Eren comment.

[@upjohn1715]

@@BumbleCrumble1072 Yup

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@BumbleCrumble1072 EREH?

[@SwitchbackCh]

lol, I knew exactly who you were talking about. He just copy-pastes the same pointless comment on anything resembling praise on the rewrite.

[@upjohn1715]

@@SwitchbackCh The dude needs a life

[@queen-monarch]

I once saw someone explain that they didn't like rewrites because they weren't necessarily better than the original, just more to the individual rewriter's tastes. And I was just like, no shit Sherlock! People have subjective ideas about what would make the show better or more interesting for them. You still don't have to read it!

[@able_archer01]

People really need to realise that "I disagree with you" and "I hate you" are not synonymous. Yes, you can have an opinion I don't like, but that doesn't mean I gonna assume the worst from you. Of course, if you're going to be an asshole about it, then I'm not going to talk to you anymore.

[@analyzgolden7774]

In the case of Celtic's rewrites, I actually find them extremely impressive. Especially with how well he could pull stuff off and make it feel like it's own thing even as a rewrite. Like you can get hooked in the rewrite story just as much as if you're watching the show. Also, in one of his streams, he said that Torchwick wasn't meant to be a good guy, and he's not. He does a lot of bad stuff. He's kind of a shady asset in a really morally grey area. He isn't really meant to be 'on the side of good' willingly, since he's kind of forced to from his situation. And that makes a lot more sense than just saying he's good now.

[@thomasraines1396]

He’s literally only there because Ozpin is in his head and he wants to get him out of it.

[@hydrofalls8154]

The only thing I have to say. Is that I wished he would have done something with Oscar. But that's not a bad thing. Like seriously I don't think the story is missing out by keeping Oscar away. It is actually better. I am just like "Well I guess I am going to do a fanfic in my head from that now."

[@thomasraines1396]

@@hydrofalls8154 at least Torchwick actually has charm, Oscar is basically just Ozpin’s meat suit, also it solves the problem of bloating the show with even more new characters.

[@hydrofalls8154]

@@thomasraines1396 Yeah exactly why I said Torchwick is a way better option. Also why I still love what Celtic made because it makes sense and I love it. I just also wanted Oscar and saw it more as a challenge. Celtic didn't think of anything and I don't care. That just mean I can imagine Oscar and my Self Insert oc having a duo adventure with just themselves outside the main plot. In a other way I just didn't have Garlic bread with my dish. The meal is still awesome, I am just going to make garlic bread at home now.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@hydrofalls8154 awesome.

[@_TinyHyeju_]

Personally I don’t see a problem with rewrites, some are self indulgent, and some aim to fix plot holes in the story. Either way they’re both non cannon fan works so it’s not something that should be taken seriously, but I guess most fans see it as critique of the show itself and get really defensive

[@nul-zone1783]

It’s really disheartening to see how much the RWBY community push back on rewrites when imo i would argue that Rewrites and AUs are pretty vital to the creativity of a fandom Take Undertale/Deltarune for example. There’s like hundreds of different AUs and multiple fan series (XTale/Underverse and Glitchtale) and web comics about it like “hey wanna see an AU where everyone is edgy, here you go” or “hey wanna see an AU where everyone is a lil cinnamon roll, it’s right there” or maybe you wanna see the AU Christmas party A better example is MLP. the fandom took a show that was for little girls and through AUs and rewrites turned it into something everyone could get into, from something small like: “oh what if pinkie was insane and had dragon ball powers lol” to amazing fan songs filling the blanks of certain characters backstory (a lullaby for a princess or children of the night for example.) Stuff like that is just so creative and make me want to engage with the community more and seeing people on the Main Rwby subreddit go “rewrites are worse than cancer” and proceed to write whole ass fanfics in every ship/borderline smut art posted on the Reddit just throws me off.

[@SwitchbackCh]

The only things that these types of fans consistently love engaging with on the subreddit are fanservice art or fluff art with cute slice of life stuff. Nothing wrong with that, but for a group that so adamantly hates when people actually engage, rework and think about the lore and story of RWBY, they engage extremely little with it themselves beyond surface-level theories and hype.

[@julianhenry8141]

So rooster teeth lets dc make comics for their rewrite...but those that wanna do it for free and fun are suddenly the ones that wanna "make it better." literally no fan is profiting off of rwby at all, whos trying to fix something out of charity alone lmao

[@seanlehning1542]

The way you two synced up "canonicity" together at 37:06 is amazing.

[@Dragiare]

I can relate to Jaune. I have mostly female siblings, I feel like I fall short in my field of passion. I don't like his back and forth writing of being the shining beacon one moment then a complete loser the next.

[@donnamitsuki281]

I think I'll give my insight on rewrites,something I've actually done in Twitter. *Long comment I'm sorry.* I'm a big fan of them,I'm a fan of looking at what a fan can do cause in my eyes rewrites come from a place of love,a place of "I _love_ this show but I feel some things could've been done better",in the case of Celtic I was looking for just a lore rewrite and I ended up following the whole thing. His rewrites are very good,they feel like RWBY but are still his own thing,he also gives credit to his friends and his group of Sketchy Huntsmen artist that give visuals,very good ones too. And he has said he doesn't expect to be necessarily better than the original but exploit the potential. He has a Wonder Woman one too,he knows what he's doing. And it isn't just a RWBY thing,many fans rewrite works they love. Attack on Titan has AOT no Requiem that specifically rewrites the ending,it's a fanfic and a non-profit fan project. There's also Miraculous Ladybug,I actually have been wanting to do a rewrite for that one as that show is the definition of wasted potential. *Rewrites are not necessarily malicious,they're usually from people who want to explore what they like in a different way. We could say rewrites are fanfics and therefore they could be seen as fun writing exercises based on something that exists. The hate they receive is unnecessary tho to some people respectful criticism (they **_asked_** for) is welcomed. They're not bad things.*

[@Doris-gf4hb]

I couldn't say it better. It's sad how this comiunity just can't accept some fanfic that they are making with joy, fun and love it's really is sad.

[@ghouly16]

Is RWBY itself a rewrite? I mean it's a bunch of legendary figures as anime characters so its a little ironic if so.

[@kirbycat1977]

Honestly, just yesterday I posted for the very first time a piece of art I drew, I was expecting to be called a shitty person. I have honestly been scared of showing my art to people in posts because I don't want to be called a crappy drawer, I know I'm not the best but I wanted to improve and start showing people who might want to see what I drew. I even said on my post that criticism is welcome because I'm bad with designing outfits and have trouble with color placement. So when I saw positive feedback I started to tear up because I never thought one of my art works would be liked. I have the same mentality with writing. I know I'm very bad with writing and story telling. Grammar is so hard for me and conveying my ideas is even harder. I am currently working on a re write, starting from volume 1. I write out ideas and then erase and try another idea because I'm indecisive on what path to take. I take a lot of time with these sorts of things and I never show them to the world because I'm terrified of being called trashy for my ideas. And since I'm the only one in my group of friends that likes RWBY I can't exactly talk about everything I'd like to see or complain about certain plot holes I really hope your guy's video is taken seriously by everyone, whether they like you guys or not, because absolutely no one likes to be called horrible things for doing what they love to do

[@nightinthetwilight]

Generally the majority of people just want to help. Sometimes they may have social issues, or issues with tact. Me, I tend to be very blunt, or so I'm often told. Some people try to soften their critique with jokes to make the artist laugh despite the biting commentary, and your mileage may vary on how successful that is. Criticism is as much of an art as drawing is, and unless the person is being deliberately antagonistic, it's usually good to assume innocent intent. On average, people love success stories as much as train wrecks. Criticism can still hurt, even if the people don't intend to hurt the artist, but that is why we usually say artists need to develop thick skin so their reading critique can be a more pleasant experience. There are people on the internet who find enjoyment out of being mean to artists who are just starting out, but I think they're in the vast minority. Within that minority I think some of them do that to feel good about their own insecurities in art. So perspective like that can help if you feel crippled with fear.

[@randomfandom3866]

I really love some of the rewrites I've heard, they've given me a lot of inspiration for my RWBY au with my oc team CLCO. Sometimes I wish the things in the rewrites happened in the show.

[@Cykeys]

Another time I remember people having issue with the Villain doing evil things was during the reprint of the Batman story, The Killing Joke, and it had a cover with The Joker standing menacingly with a captive Batgirl. Some people were quite upset with the cover and demanded that it should be changed.

[@pumkin610]

That's kinda what villains do, tie people up, hold them hostage, put them in a cartoony or elaborate prison/ trap. Dangle them over pools of acid. They are supposed to have power over a situation and people to see if the hero can overcome it and save people.

[@Cykeys]

@@pumkin610 IIRC, the cover was deemed misogynistic because it had Batgirl as a "Damsel In Distress"...And in response to show that's what bad guys do on a regular basis, people started posting comic covers where Batman was tied up by the Joker in some death trap, or one cover with Batman tied to a chair while Harley Quinn held a massive wooden mallet in her hands ready to smash his teeth in.

[@julianhenry8141]

People don't get the phrase "imitation is a form of flattery" no one's trying to trash on rwby or do "better"

[@luismarioherrerajimenez4129]

It is sad and tragic to see that the attacks by these self-proclaimed "fans" is spreading not only to Rewrites. The other day one of the fanfic authors I follow had to put a warning on his Fanfic to "warn" about certain changes he would make to his AU to prevent people from attacking him for such.... Like, it's not even serious stuff, people are crazy, the damn story barely has chapters.

[@oscarsantos4813]

The only show with more rewrites than Rwby, at least that I have seen, is SAO and even when you can criticize the SAO creator for A LOT of things there is one thing that he always has done and that's taking criticism to heart, to a point that he is currently doing his own rewrite of the story. Of course, I don't think anyone is expecting RWBY to rewrite the story based on their fanfic, however, rewrite and fanfic are done over love of the series, no matter who does it.

[@Summer-pj2jq]

always happy 2 see u upload podcasts!

[@warmachineroxlol]

This is the most I've heard you two swear and use vulgar language and I love it

[@gia5564]

Am looking at the rewrite bingo and ‘I read team Rwby doesn’t get to do shit’ like volume five doesn’t exist.

[@Scaring-Crows]

I'm not big into fanfiction normally, so I didn't even know this was going on. I'm surprised because any other time I've seen fanfic communities they seem to be tight-knitted. It would be fascinating to study why RWBY's community is so different from others

[@VenathTehN3RD]

If I had to guess, I'd say it probably comes down to two main reasons: 1) The creator of the series, who was really popular and beloved by the fanbase, died relatively early on in the series. For the same reason that you have some people being assholes towards CRWBY because they've "ruined" Monty's series you have other people who will be assholes to anyone who dares to suggest that Monty's series wasn't already great and could use improvement. Something I've seen a lot of from both sides (people who aggressively defend the series and those who heavily criticize it) is invoking Monty's name in an attempt to browbeat/shame the opposition into silence. A bunch of people shrieking about "Monty wouldn't want this" or "Monty would be so ashamed of that," often from a bunch of people whose experiences with Monty himself amount to - at most - speaking with him for a few minutes at a convention. Naturally, some of this carries over into fan works like fanfic and rewrite videos - people flying off the handle because someone dared to lay their hands on Monty Oum's precious work (never mind that Monty himself started off by making fan content with characters from stories like Final Fantasy, Dead or Alive, Metroid, etc.). 2) A lot of the main cast/crew of RWBY is VERY interactive with the fanbase. The writers, voice actors, etc. tend to be very friendly and spend time with fans at conventions, online panels, social media forums, and so on and so forth. I think this leads to a lot of fans feeling that these aren't just the people making the content, but that these people are their friends. That feeling of having a more personal connection with the people making it in turn leads to many fans feeling that any kind of criticism of the series is an attack on their "friends" rather than just being criticism of their work. Plenty of people love Akira Toriyama's work on Dragon Ball, and respect him and his series for its influences in manga and anime, but I think it's safe to say that most of us just view him as that name on the cover of the book. We might know a bit about him from interviews or the blurbs in the back pages of a manga volume, but since he isn't constantly going around interacting with the fanbase everywhere, people look at him and his work as...well...an author and his work. So rather than taking criticism of his work as criticism of someone that they think of as their buddy, they take it for exactly what it is and aren't nearly so defensive about it. Granted, in ANY fandom you're going to have people who are aggressively defensive of the series because they're just ridiculously attached to it, or who argue with each other over things like pairings and story arcs, but I think those are the two big issues that tend to lead the RWBY fandom into attacking fan works far more often than a lot of other fandoms.

[@StoogesFan]

* critics respectfully critiquing, analyzing, and suggesting how RWBY could improve * Miles and toxic "fans" : "Is this bullying?"

[@pumkin610]

True

[@thetypicallifeofcousins2703]

25:14 Best quote ever. Hands down

[@thefloofartist1908]

This was great to listen this in the background while working! Thank you both for taking the time to make this video addressing the sudden craze of hyperreactive RWBY fans freaking out over rewrites. 26:47 That (infamous) bingo sheet being flat out wrong on almost everything gave us artists in the FRWBY discord a good laugh, and each box can pretty much be debunked if the guy who made it bothered to watch the videos. Alas, it's much easier to spread lies on the internet for clout and causing problems for people during a long, parched hiatus devoid of any new RWBY announcements. (big time gap here because you two pretty much explain exactly why) 1:09:21 Yes, yes, YES. FRWBY even got that manservice in there, a whole section of the Onsen scene focused on the males being half-naked as well, and close to equal in the amount of screentime too. (The added irony here to the sexism accusations is that almost of all the Onsen fanservice art was drawn by the women in Sketchy Huntsmen, for both character's sexes. The only exception being myself (I drew the Onsen entrance exterior) and one other artist.) 1:30:46 As you mentioned earlier in the video, these people don't really watch anything outside of American "anime". Anything remotely RWBY-like they cling to and shun everything else even if it's done well, solely because of their inexperience with other media. It's very bizarre behavior reminiscent of those overreactive Karens from the 90s and early 2000s preventing their kids from playing games like Yugioh or Pokemon because they thought it was witchcraft. 1:34:08 Critter spittin' facts here. It's how these fans validate attacking content creators. 1:42:06 I think this way as well. I wasted so much time bitching on Twitter, so I deleted my old account and it's greatly improved my mental health as my new feed is artists I follow and cute animals. It's also got me drawing more and improving every single year. Freeing oneself from social media is the best recommendation I can give to people who get angry over tiny things like rewrites. Time is important and I'd rather spend that time doing fun stuff I like doing! 1:43:20 Same, Twiins! 1:46:22 LMAO PRETTY MUCH

[@Jay-ch5xu]

I read why some RWBY fans dislike rewrites and a lot say that it's coz they perceive it along the lines of "the fan creator thinking they can do a better job than the actual creators," and coming off as condescending or proud. Agree to disagree. I love these rewrites! Celtic's stuff is fun. Rewrites just ain't some people's thing, y'know? That said...I very rarely see the amount of hate for rewrites than in I do RWBY. AU's and such are quite embraced almost everywhere else.

[@uesrname12]

the tomato example cracked me up haha :D interesting topic good job

[@sushigivesmelife2131]

1:14:08 is one of the best quotes from you guys seriously

[@MG-xs6kq]

I love RWBY Rewrites ❤

[@selena44842]

I have the same opinion about rewrites that I do about fanart. It way for people to express their love toward a product they enjoy and share those feelings with others. They're something to be celebrated not maliciously attacked

[@nozon5686]

5:25 its essentially just parodies like: space balls, The copious amount of romeo and juliet based stories, and so many more classics that have been remade and changed over time. heck even Shrek is technically a rework crossover so there think on that

[@quakywacky8048]

Honestly rewrites are my favourite type of story analysis. Because every show has good potential, whether or not they tap into that potential. Rewrites can not only show where the show went wrong but how to improve or what direction they should go. And that’s the best form of criticism in my eyes. People think rewrites are spawned from hate, but if anything, to be invested enough in a show to want to rewrite it shows an appreciation for the original work and ideas.

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

I'm four days late but here is my benign comment "Keep at it" haha

[@fishnewt1331]

18:31 Understandable. Hell, there is still the ongoing theory that Jaunn is Miles self-insert. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are self-inserts in actual works in any media.

[@bullshitproductions2539]

I can confirm this, I'm a writer myself I wanna make my own comic company and shit and my main character is my own self insert loosely based on me the other a select few other fictional characters I grew up with. Even though the parts of me that I put in him are mainly my autism and depression I still have fun with this character.

[@fishnewt1331]

@@bullshitproductions2539: For me, I feel like I cheat and put myself in multiple characters to where my personality is spread out among them. Like one of them has my insecurity while another has my judgmental nature and so on.

[@zyx2447]

Thinking about it, a bingo board would actually kinda be fun but it just doesn't have to be as meanly written as that guy's. It also doesn't need to be broadcast to the whole internet. Just a lil fun thing to keep watch of while reading/listening to a rewrite. Also I just got to the part where y'all talk about a super smash bros thing. I wanna shout out this one artist who goes by "Wooden Plank Studios"! They've got this long running story where Sephiroth poisons and kills the entire roster and the only one who can revive them is Kazuya cuz he just got added in at the time they started (and incineroar but y'all have to see how he survives). It's been fun seeing the different ways they revive characters and stuff 10/10 would recommend checking out + they do a lil bit where they take suggestions on new pokemon ideas :3

[@Natelu-Sama]

great video, as always! the only """problem""" (in the loosest possible sense of the word) ive ever had with rewrites is that sometimes people put so much work in that its basically its own product now, but they actively keep it from being its own thing because... im assuming it gets more views? and i dont mean that in a bad way, just pointing out its easier to click on "RWBY rewrite part 1" than "the power of four chronicles: part 1 (original story)" and thus youre more likely to be able to justify the time that way. and thats not even really a problem with rewrites as much as it is a problem with the broader internet (which im also guilty of!)

[@triggerfairy4070]

This is what rewrites gets me peeved.

[@zestranfaubert6860]

So good news about the Jaune being Goblin Slayer art. It has definitely improved. Had to check it out after hearing about it and chuckling.

[@Gunn3rGuru]

Listening to this via spotify so adding on... progressively? Personally, I have no issue with rewrites. I consider em AUs for the most part. Hell, I'm over here with way too many ocs. I enjoy some abridged series more than the original. I read way too much -redacted-. It's the inflated ego of "RWBY sucks. I'm better than the original. Hire me RT." that gets me. Then again, I just generally don't read em. It's like y'all said. Don't be an asshole. As for Jaune? Don't hate em. Just oversaturated with him to the point I'm bored of it. Gotta fast myself of it. Faunus heat? I'm pretty sure it was in that recent (in)famous rewrite. As for futa, they want dick without a guy attached or lesbians with... breeding. Power levels? The writer is complaining rwby doesnt have power levels when it sorta does. It's just less dbz and naruto and more jojo's. Racism but worse. Essentially, the racism is harsher. Also depiction does not equal advocacy.

[@justinbrummett]

43:56 Hi, guy who made stupid comment on Twins's Soundtrack Video here. I feel like I should clear things up as to what I meant when I made that comment. When I posted that comment, it was supposed to be just a small nit pick and that was it. It was meant to be me pointing out a small little detail that in the long run doesn't really matter in the end. However I have a bad habit of posting shit on the internet without thinking it threw first, and when Twins read it she rightfully pointed out that it was dumb. So yeah... Just thought I'd say something and own up too my f*ck up. Good Podcast BTW

[@leonryuko970]

There's a part of me that wants my little RWBY fic to get a toxic comment from the community. Cause at that point I feel like I can be accomplished as a writer, and cause I know they'll more than likely nitpick one small detail that doesn't mean anything in the overall plot.

[@astrothsknot]

where is it and I'll give you a terrible comment. It'll be my good deed for the year and then i can get back to disembowelling puppies.

[@leonryuko970]

@@astrothsknot it's on Wattpad. I called it like, RWBY: the new isles or some shit. Idk

[@idontknow_1102]

Personally I don't enjoy rewrites that change to much about the world so I don't read them. It's simple. Why would actively engage in content that I know I won't enjoy? And if I were to read something like that, I can't really complain about it because I knew going in that it wasn't something I would really ever read.

[@azurai3934]

This further highlights the biggest issue with RWBY, the world feels like a hollow set piece with nothing interesting in it. Everything we do know gets dealt with offscreen, is forgotten about, is wildly inconsistent, or is told but not shown, so it's kinda near unavoidable that things have to be changed in rewrites.

[@DarkStarInsomniac]

"Team RWBY doesn't get to do shit" Wait, is this one for rewrites or the main show?

[@luciferandassociates9255]

Ah it's nice listening to the Twins rant with passion about people being dumb. Also, I really enjoyed writing RWBY Fanfic, I'm weirdo who wrote Hound of Arc. Which is, What if Jaune had Fate's Lancelot Rage made, and also wasn't on team JNPR replacing him with Jeanne D'Arc. It's fun to make silly ideas like that, I enjoy fun!

[@thomasraines1396]

I’ve written a few fanfics, they’re not that long and they’re more slice of life stories.

[@purplespades9632]

This podcast isn’t what I was expecting

[@neilburns448]

Exactly the authors even puts in they don't own the property JK Rawlings even has a top ten list on how to write fanfiction

[@nyhtfall1969]

loved the podcast was really fun to listen too i died laughing at the bingo card i'm baffled thats an actual thing someone made I was laughing so hard at it. I just see fanfics and rewrites as other alternatives if a main series isn't doing appealing to you in a way whether it could be how a storyline is handled or how a character could of been better written etc. I love celtic phoenix's fixin rwby series its really great and showed me what rwby could of been like if it took its time, breathed and was fun it reminded me my why i loved the series to begin with. I don't watch the actual show anymore because i'm not interested in watching something that's going in a direction that doesn't interest me. I feel better for stopping honestly it was hard at first but I felt so much better for it our time is precious and its better spent doing what we enjoy instead of loathing over what we dislike or have distain for i'm glad others can enjoy it and I hope they keep loving it.

[@pumkin610]

I probably wont watch the show again but I really enjoy KZbin vids about it

[@nyhtfall1969]

@@pumkin610 same

[@moeheil8839]

Power of friendship? Have they seen Elfen Lied? Higurrashi? Hellsing Ultimate?

[@alexhussinger3550]

This bingo board is very clearly referencing some things Celtic Phoenix had in his lore rewrite video. Faunus Heat Cycles and more explicit Power Levels in terms of aura were both touched on (though not really every brought up in the main show), and were the parts of it that were the weirdest and unnecessary. I also thought his bathhouse scene in Vol5 wasn't great . . . the Neo reveal felt a little more awkward than I thought was appropriate for a kids show. It could have been done better IMO.

[@thatoneoverthereok]

I think its weird you think rwby is a kids show? it's got suic*de, abuse, racism, genoc*de, explicit violence/death. like, its clearly not made for kids? PG13 seems to be the age range.

[@thomasraines1396]

RWBY isn’t a kids show I don’t think, it’s not something like Avatar which touches on serious topics but still is still aimed at a younger audience, RWBY tries (and fails) to be super serious about several things, it tries (and fails) to be adult.

[@wrigglenight93]

He gave aura power levels because they're particularly easy to abuse in writing. The hard magic system of auras playing off the soft magic systems of dust and semblances is what he was going for

[@nicklausmclean5099]

It's just sad that Jaune is a side character and he got more development than Team RWBY themselves🤣

[@Art-zp1qg]

Me living peacefully by engaging with the fandom only for fanart and news updates: 💅

[@deniltofreirejunior832]

Pretty sure one of the first rewrites was when Lancelot was created

[@ArcofCarona]

Yang isn’t allowed to have an identity beside “Ruby’s babysitter” Don’t you mean “Blake’s girlfriend”? Oh wait, that’s the fandom

[@ArcofCarona]

In all seriousness, didn’t for practically the entirety of Volume 7, Yang and Blake never left each other’s side? I think in one episode, Marrow asked them why they don’t go on missions with anyone but the other, and was ignored

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

Lol yeah, that part was dumb. Marrow was like "you two always team up, maybe it would be a good idea to change up your strategy every now and then." Then they interrupted him by killing one small grim then gave him a look like "are you stupid?" and he was like "neverminded you two are great together!" And like, thats all so dumb!

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

One problem I notice with fanfics is that they add so many tags that it is impossible to discern what it will focus on. This is especially annoying if you are not a fan of certain oversaturated ships. Say you are not a fan of Bumblebee, be it for whatever reason from thinking it is the worst or just overdone. Then you search for a Rosegarden rewrite and find one that looks promising, only to notice that it has a BB tag, as well. That could mean anything from its a small background ship that gets 5 lines dedicated to it to it will take up half the story, when what you really wanted was just Rosegarden.

[@thomasraines1396]

I’ve had that happen I’ll be reading a pretty interesting fanfic and they reveal something later in the story that instantly kills it for me.

[@astrothsknot]

if you're on AO3 you can exclude tags. I usually exclude ABO and MPreg and it works ok. It might mean I'm missing some good fics, but I can live with that. I put loads of tags on to capture as wide an audience as possible.

[@gormaline1024]

I love the rewrites that "fix" RWBY (the ones that keep as close to the main plot as possible while fixing the parts the writers lacked in). I keep watching the show because it keeps showing all these glimmers of promise and I want it to get good again. I started enjoying watching criticism of the episodes and show because its teaching me how to appreciate when it is good and WHY. the worst part is everyone can agree that racism for example was handled poorly but then I always ask myself what it being done properly would look like. Rewrites actually back up the "they could have handled this or that better" statements made about the show. how could they have handled racism better? Well let me show you! The characters arcs are messy? Here's how they could have been flushed out better. Ill use the well written thought out rewrites as my headcannon for arcs the show never actually gave me but I wanted so bad. Honestly without critters critiques, unicorn of wars rewrites, you all writes theories, etc. I wouldn't be watching the show anymore. I guess RT can do without my first membership if we're banning rewrites 🤷‍♀️

[@DeDuppio_111]

This is a strange concept that most people can't grasp or understand....But you can still like something bad/mediocre and acknowledge it's flaws

[@ShizuruRavenRobin026]

1:15:45 if jnr left the show who would fight Salem ,neo and cinder caz team Rwby only had one real fight with her in v9 and it sucked They seem to be the only ones to fight the bad guys

[@Everythingwillsurelybealright]

The mention of “Rawr XD” gave me instant war flashbacks - but that aside I loved this entirely!

[@thomasraines1396]

The Celtic Phoenix rewrite of the series is great. RWBY’s main problem is they constantly add new characters without even bothering to develop them, it feels like a CW show characters are added and they’re just kind of “there” I really like it when Yang is more of the “Team mom” at least in fics like that her and Ruby actually interact with each other. Weiss’s racism in the show just.. stops, the rest of the series they make it out to be her family’s problem, “The kids aren’t friends anymore they barely talk to each other” as opposed to the actual show where they’re all just sort of “around” each other, to the point they could barely even be considered friends? Hell half these morons haven’t even spoke to each other one on one. In regards to Resident Evil, literally every boss transforms at one point and just gets more and more grotesque it’s not like the fedora wearing version is the last we see of Mr. X, it’s not like Jack Baker dies in his yellow shirt, they both just become more monstrous with each encounter, hell look at someone like William Birkin every single encounter you have with him he looks worse, the first time you fight him is when he is at his most human. Considering Salem is pretty much a Eldritch abomination, who has shown the ability to modify and change others, I will be absolutely surprised if she doesn’t at least modify herself in some fashion.

[@whateverwhatever4476]

A lot of people for some reason hate rewrites

[@thomasraines1396]

@@whateverwhatever4476 I have no idea why.

[@Ventiwings]

An interesting thing is that Miles and Kerry have said they're amateurs too when they started on RWBY. Monty had them watch anime to get the vibe of what he wanted for RWBY. Let's stop pretending that rwby was story driven. Monty did great with Dead Fantasy because of its visual and fight driven stories. Rwby is an excuse for cool characters and fights with absurd weapons but then it got muddled and now what drew people in got lost in its clumsy attempts of plot points. This was fun to listen too. If you guys have the chance, I'd love to hear more about your favorite rewrites

[@astrothsknot]

Unpopular opinion, but I believe that Miles and Kerry don't actually like anime and that's another reason why RWBY isn't well written. I also believe that when Rooster Teeth got bought over (Shane sounded awful to work with in that letter. I wonder if Monty was similar) that the move to a more businesslike way of running things was clipping Monty's wings - he's animating stuff that's nothing to do with being written and that's fiscally wasteful and the suits won't put up with that - and he's thinking "I signed on to make a Dead Fantasy I could make money off!" He doesn't look happy towards the end and he's barely talking. I think if he'd lived , Monty would have left after s3. I've worked with people like Monty - brilliant and out the box, but needing a firm hand to keep them focussed on what they're meant to be doing and not what they want to be doing.

[@BoujeeItadori]

PODCAST TIME BABY YEAH!

[@kriblar98]

its critter time

[@treadingwater86]

1:44:55 From what I have experienced so far, r/RWBYOC is pretty chill though. Just a bunch of people sharing their OCs and their ideas.

[@internetxxx_pl0r3r_xxx77]

I just don't understand how RWBY can be so vitriolic to AU's specifically when Dragonball, which pretty much everyone rags on, puts spin-offs as some of it's highest-rated fan content. Like look at that multiverse tournament someone made a whole-ass fan manga of that's just "what if cell won, buu won, and Vegito stayed fused then all these guys were brought to a tournament?" or like the ENTIRETY of MasakoX's channel. Dude literally does pretty much nothing but What-If videos but they're FUN. And people LIKE THEM. That's not to say there aren't some weird or low-effort spin-offs out there, but shrieking like a priest at the council of Nicea because someone made a change to your holy cannon is just kind sad.

[@BestBetterBestest]

The way RWBY fans treat AUs the exact opposite of how Undertale fans treat theirs.

[@knightfall2024]

So let me get this straight: You have the series. You have haters on said series(/fan works). You have haters hatin the haters that hates the stuff. Then you have haters defending the haters hatin each over. And THEN, You have even more hate from even MORE haters hatin all Those haters hating each other. Guess what? Even more haters hatin Fanworks while somehow defending the series even though they hate the series. So much so, that Those haters made a bingo for haters so that they can all enjoy their hate as a merry band of haters. And finally. People get to call ME a hater for writing this, because this comment Sounds like hate, but is actually me trying to understand any of this. (...My..... brain!.......HURTS!)

[@thomasraines1396]

It’s just an absolute casserole of nonsense.

[@miadaorerk1681]

28:56 Im really hoping and praying you aren't going to say something involving futa or the fact that the rwby nsfw reddit has more followers than the actual show

[@miadaorerk1681]

oh no 😭

[@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093]

This bingo board just seems like someone annoyed with the common criticism with the show. Like how bad the portrayal of racism is and how team RWBY never get screentime. And since those are such common critisims they get addressed often in rewrites (I don't actually read any to know if this is true this is just his internal logic) Basically he's just another fan of RWBY that gets mad at any criticism of the show and is trying to make fun of the common talking points

[@TitanXecutor]

"Having the Bees just kiss and be done with it" It should've been that way

[@krraika1847]

I've been aboard the rewrite train for the SW prequels and sequels (and believe me, they outnumber the RWBY rewrites I've seen), so it's almost nostalgic seeing rewrites in the RWBY fandom. Sometimes, SW and RWBY rewrites can share the tendency of sticking to the general plot of their respective canon material rather than try to go in a new direction that might give a better story. More of a personal nitpick, I suppose, but it doesn't hurt to change things up a big and it does annoy me when some rewrites make the same mistakes as the canon stories they're rewriting which makes them feel almost the same in certain regards. Like some comments have said, fanfiction tend to be looked down upon (not necessarily unjustified since A LOT of fics are just porn), and rewrites are no exception. It could depend on the execution and/or reception but like other comments mentions, certain (rabid) defenders feel insulted when you try to rewrite the thing they like, and they will be far more difficult to please, if they can be at all. I admit, my most recent attempts at rewrites had been done out of annoyance with the franchises and fandoms, but it doesn't change the fact they have sprung from what once had been a love of said franchises and fandoms (which I almost want to see burn to ashes by this point).

[@croftant2]

RWBY has inspired a lot of things I have made to some extent. Making a rewrite of rewrite would make things come full circle lol. But I don't want to be called a dumb baby kid or something lol.

[@Blizz3112]

5:44 Its more the Quran, considering the Bibel HAS been re-written multiple times over the centuries, but the Quran hasn't... :-P

[@Step43099]

What’s really funny to me about fandoms that I just realized, I’ve been apart of the RWBY fandom for almost the same amount of time I’ve been in the Bleach fandom. And guess which one is more chill. The bleach fandom has spent years and years getting shit on by the rest of the shonen fandom sphere and we’ve just come to a natural defensive stance, always welcoming newcomers and shield bashing the people who just hate for no reason. And now look at us, a new beautiful anime season coming in October, we got a new manga chapter hinting at an interesting new arc. Bleach is like 2 decades old and RWBY is barely 10 with a fandom five times as toxic

[@jospwasp3504]

“imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”

[@pokegirl2731]

I didn't even know this was such a big problem in RWBY. Rewrites are always something I look forward to when a show misses their marks on things. To think people think it's okay to criticize someone just for twisting the media just to have fun and be creative is just horrible. But what else is new.

[@notallthatevil]

This might be a weird question, but I don’t think I’m financially stable enough for patreon. Would it be better to support you listening to these podcasts on Spotify or KZbin?

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

:) Not to worry! Watching and commenting on KZbin is plenty of support already!

[@arrexu01]

some fanfiction of rwby are lowkey better than the original and it was fun reading it

[@obara7366]

Because of this video I ended up going down the RWBY reddit rabbithole on rewrites and OOOOF, I remember why I do not like this fandom.

[@CoralPallet]

2 Hours of Critter and Twiins, nice! Go podcast Go! xD

[@brendanmontuori5664]

When I saw the thumbnail, I got excited thinking you guys were doing a rewrite, lol

[@croftant2]

Also the person who made the bingo board is a big fan of Bumblebee so a few things check out. Also they make more zings against Americans for some reason.

[@lemonlefleur6236]

I think my favorite rewrite Concept I’ve heard of to this day is RWBY, but it’s all just Halo. Like they were talking about making the lamp Cortana and I found the idea hilariously beautiful. That being said assuming I’ve managed to catch your attention, would you be interested in looking at some RWBY weapon ideas I 3D modeled? I know I’ve got room for improvement, but there are some that I think are pretty decent that I posted on a RWBYOC Subreddit that I’d be willing to share the links to if you’d be interested.

[@obara7366]

I ended up finding the artist that you guys mentioned (or the one I'm 99% sure you were shading) and honestly? Maybe it's because I've been doing art school for like 7 years now, (gone through 3 programs, lol) and their art is just okay. Like, their poses and gestures are stiff and all they have is polish. It's really generic anime style. That person has no place to speak as if they are a paragon of great character design. That person would not be hired for professional comic publishers or the like.

[@essubliminals6826]

My favorite is even getting mad at the rewrite that makes grimm into a zombie like … THAT SOUNDS SO FUCKING COOL!!

[@kingacrisius]

Oh this explains a lot. I always wondered why you and Twiins sounded exactly the same, and now it's so obvious that I don't know how I didn't figure it out myself lmao.

[@nomansland1494]

I’m pretty sure the bingo card is 70% “I didn’t like FRWBY”, that’s the only explanation I can see for why “POWER LEVELS” is there, cause Celtic had a video where he explained the aura and semblance system in FRWBY.

[@dragonninja3655]

Have we really seen anti-fanus racism in the show? I thought we were going to see it in Atlas, but even in Atlas we didn't really see anything that i can remember. And whiess's dad said the fanus were paid equally and then we never saw any proof that he was lying. did we see a fanus in a mine or a fanus in a collar or eomething like that and i just don't remember it? Cinder got the type of treatment fromher adopted family i was expecting fanus to get, but she is human. I think we would know by now if cinder is a fanus. To conclude, i'm not surprised fics do more with the racism because the show doesn't really have any racism despite having a terrorist group supposedly fighting against said racism.

[@thenintendnub64]

Critter: What if there is some person out there who does really relate to Jaune, were never nearly as talented as everyone else around them, they have a bunch of sisters, and they feel kinda outcast. What if there is some kid out there who does honestly really relate to Jaune and just really wants to see things from his perspective? Me: I feel called out. I honestly really love RWBY and I want to draw it and just be a part of it more, but I'm honestly terrified of the fans. I'm afraid that if I were to tell people that honestly, Jaune was my favorite character of the whole cast, I would be shamed because I like "the self insert" and "he gets too much screen time" and all that crap (trust me, I personally am not a fan of self-inserts and I'm currently struggling with fully separating one from being a self-insert into an actual character). I'm afraid that if I were to share my RWBY OCs they would receive hate for... I dunno? Existing? Not all being cute girls? Having a male silver-eyed warrior character that I wish to explore and understand that power with? If he were a girl, it'd be fine I assume. I dunno. I probably got off topic there. The redesign I did of Yang recently is the only fanart I've ever made for RWBY because I know I'm not the greatest artist out there, and I don't wanna get harassed for drawing a weird facial expression or pose or something. It seems that in the RWBY fandom, you have to be a part of the hivemind to avoid harassment. I don't think I ever will consider myself part of the RWBY fandom because of those people. I'd much rather be a fan on the outside looking in. Heck, it's much safer that way.

[@strawbellebelle]

Except Jaune is a very popular character among the fandom and in fan works. No one gets shamed for saying that they enjoy Jaune. In fact, the only people who have insulted me for enjoying Jaune is...the show's hatedom. Likewise, the people who insist Jaune is a "self insert"? The hatedom, not the fandom-because they use this claim as a means to hurl abuse at and make vile claims about one of the show's writers. The people who attack Jaune as a character and his fans are people in the hatedom, not RWBY fans. "I'm afraid that if I were to share my RWBY OCs they would receive hate for... I dunno? Existing? Not all being cute girls? Having a male silver-eyed warrior character that I wish to explore and understand that power with?" All of these things are common in RWBY fanfiction. People do not get harassed for making teams with male characters, or having silver-eyed characters in their fics.

[@thenintendnub64]

@@strawbellebelle I dunno. I'm just terrified of even trying to present my work because those people have the loudest voices in the fandom. I'm not going to run the risk of running into them because I'd rather not be attacked for my ideas and opinions. Also, I didn't know there was a separate part of the fandom called the "hatedom". What exactly counts as being in the hatedom? Did they just make it to rag on all the critics in a neat little circle?

[@strawbellebelle]

@@thenintendnub64 There's plenty of cool and welcoming people in the fandom with all kinds of opinions. You don't need to bother with the folks who attack others for their opinions; I don't care about people who insult me for enjoying Jaune (all of whom consider themselves "critics" of the show rather than fans, mind you). And the hatedom aren't part of the fandom-RWBY has a particularly toxic community of people dedicated to hating on the show, its creators, and its fans. It's not the critics the hatedom hates on; in fact, most of them are adored by the hatedom whenever they say negative things about the show, no matter what it is. (Twiins iink themselves is a perfect example of this, because she routinely makes highly negative videos regarding RWBY and its fans, but when she made a video disagreeing with most of the hatedom regarding one male villain, she received a bunch of hate over it.)

[@story_appreciator6666]

So I just had a thought, this is mainly thanks to God of War Ragnarok, but basically all those who are toxic and bullying others who just want to connect and have fun are basically Heimdall.

[@obara7366]

Uh, sorry for all the disjointed comments, but I've warched rthe whole thing now. This was a really cool thing to draw and listen to. This just further reminds me why to me fandom is the friends I already have who are into the same things as me. I perused RWBY reddit for the first time in years because of this video and ew, I really wish I hadn't. Most of the people there are the definition of bad faith criticism when it comes to people having alternate views on RWBY.

[@MrMacman6969]

See I want to do fandom memes of rwby but I don't have any patience for the loudest annoying fans

[@Doris-gf4hb]

Same

[@shama1239]

The Bumblebee bingo square is extra funny because getting the canonicity "out of the way" as they say is literally more than the show has done so far. Even if they canonize Bumblebee in a way you think is poor, at least they did it instead of just implying it without confirming it.

[@austincain9507]

I'm all for fanfic but one time I found a rwby x berserk where they tried saying pyrhas death was as devastating as the eclipse