The Umbrella Academy ~ Lost in Adaptation

[@Caernath]

The major appeal of comics - that you basically have an unlimited special effects budget and that you’re only constrained by your own imagination - is also a major hindrance to live action adaptations. While I like the TV show, I can’t help but wish they instead produced an animated series.

[@thatsmyOPINION]

Ooh I would've loved an animated series! But I would prefer a 2D style type

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

That’s why I feel DC should stick to animation for their movies. The animated movies are banger after banger but then we get the live action stuff like, Bats v Supes…

[@l0stndamned]

The only limit on a comic is the artist's wrists.

[@marocat4749]

I mean yes shows have to work creative within budget. And pick where to put in the amazing action An animated othe radaption could be amazing i guess, and different enough to be worth it.

[@thegayghost872]

That’s the sad part, no one respects animation, even though it has so much more potential than live action

[@ScreamingAllTheTime]

I love how the comic basically made the “jfk wasn’t shot, his head just did that” meme into what actually happened

[@timothymclean]

I heard a rumor the meme was inspired by the comic.

[@Bllue]

What meme?!

[@jaylenmcgill7802]

Slight correction, their robot mother gave them their names and 5 rejected his. Some theorize it’s a power play, so that when Reggie calls them by their numbers instead of their names he actually is referring to 5 by name.

[@CoyotesOwn]

You'll notice that Five is not in Paris. My assumption is Mother gave them name shortly before they debuted, since Hargraves didn't care about those things. And Five at that point was already in the future. Edit: I juts realized you meant the series, not the comic. (-‿-")

[@Sploberrie]

I forget, was it ever confirmed that Grace named them in the show as well? Because the explanation that Five disappeared before they were named isn't true in the show, since both Ben and Viktor had their names already. So maybe it's possible that they actually picked out their own names in the show? (TBH it would kinda work with Viktor's transition, since Vanya is apparently a masculine name.)

[@joshwattt]

@@Sploberrie i don't know the specific episode but i am 99% sure diego mentions that mom gave them their names in the show

[@linpittsburgh2375]

@@SploberrieVanya is a diminutive for any name with the syllable “van.” Usually Vanya is a nickname for Ivan. Ivana is the feminine version of Ivan (Ivanka is a nickname). The usual nickname for “Viktor” is Vitya. It’s not insane that you would use Vanya for Viktor, I think, it would just be confusing. Source: I have loved Russian nicknames for decades. They make names longer as they get more affectionate. Vanya > Vanushka/Vanenka > Vanenochka (if you want to get really cutesy).

[@iamlordapollo]

What was 5s rejected given name?

[@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv]

Gerard Way created the Umbrella Academy: sure, knew that, still a little weird Gerard Way created Peni Parker: wait, what?

[@CoyotesOwn]

And Moive Penn iu is almost asdiffrent from teh comic one as the UA comics and NF series are.

[@SirStrangefolk]

​@@CoyotesOwnYeah, but it seems that in Across the Spiderverse she has had her "Canon event" which gave her a more comic-accurate mech and depression.

[@electrojones]

I didn't realize anyone created Peni Parker. I thought she appeared like black mold in the Spider-Man canon.

[@Miles_Phantasmagoria]

I got into MCR through Danger Days so learning that Gerard Way wrote comics was less of a surprise to me

[@CoyotesOwn]

@@Miles_Phantasmagoria Fun Fact: Way is friends with Grant Morrison, the noted comic writer, and they (Morisson) and they (Morisson is non-binary) played Korse in the Killjoy music videos. UA comic share a similar tone to Morrisons Doom Patrol run.

[@zom8979]

The actor for number 5 was absolutely amazing

[@trinaq]

Agreed, Aidan Gallagher was fantastic as Number Five, and I honestly believed that this teenager was a middle aged man trapped in a teenage body, and got to treat his cast mates like annoying children.

[@mirjanbouma]

Indeed, he was my favourite thing in the whole series. Absurdly well acted.

[@Di7manya]

He is one of the best performers at 15 in a show that has an academy award nominated actor in it.

[@davidcopperfield5345]

He was the reason I watched it at first. I hadn't read the comic. I only knew him from Nickelodeon on Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn. I don't remember which he was, but even then I knew he was batting way above any other actor on the show, even some of the adults. So when I saw a potentially serious show with him, I decided to check it out. I'm glad I did.

[@celes1398]

​@@davidcopperfield5345 He was Nicky

[@SophieHatterLeFay]

I hope that actor for Five gets more projects, absolutely brilliant, i forget he's not a 50+ old man most of the time.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Yeah, somehow Aiden Gallagher really can adopt the forbearance and impatience of an experienced fifty-year old so well.

[@trinaq]

I love how both versions embrace the goofy premise, and simply wear their goofiness on their sleeves. I liked that they incorporated Ben more, through Klaus' mediumship, and even had a character with a goldfish bowl for a head, a nod to the original Handler.

[@LunaWitcherArt]

I miss the insanity of the guy with a fish bowl head. Now I have to have "Jennifer will absorb Ben and cause the end of the world" instead.

[@croissantdaily5223]

@@LunaWitcherArtyeah I feel they tried to be more “grounded” as the show went one which didn’t fit well with the established show

[@boojersey13]

For sure. My favorite example is the seasons' dance breaks.

[@mariposavioleta3488]

as a fun fact, Diego simply is spanish (as in, european spanish) in the comics! that said i am rlly glad david castañeda is diego on the show bc he's one of my favorite parts of it

[@postaldudeirl]

yeah someone being called diego doesn't mean they can't be white either, even if they're from south america. just a really weird comment honestly

[@politesse3914]

"Takes place in a fundamentally different universe" seems like a pretty significant adaptational difference. Like writing a fanfic that's a coffeeshop AU.

[@timothymclean]

Bad analogy. You can write a Batman coffeeshop AU that still takes place in Gotham City. You can also write a conventional Batman story that takes place in Camelot, the cyberpunk future, Victorian England, the flooded future, or even a world of talking animals. I know this because all of those are real AU Batmen from official DC comics (Earth-9, Earth 12, Earth-19, Earth-31, and Earth C-, respectively). Any setting with crime and rich people who can occasionally be murdered by criminals can have a Batman, and a Joker, and a Riddler, and a Two-Face. Settings inform stories, but many stories can be transplanted into very different settings, so long as a few elements are kept in common.

[@DoveJS]

​ @timothymclean Yeah but if you adapted any random Batman story and set it on Earth C- for Batmouse, from the Just'a Lotta Animals, that's a pretty significant difference because he's also an in-universe comic book character over on Earth C. Depending on when in the various DC timelines it's set, that could create a canonical interdimensional lawsuit within the narrative (I'm not kidding about that, it's a plot point in the revival plus it's funny AF IMHO.) Bare minimum you're gonna want Captain Carrot as a cameo because it would feel rude to exclude him. I'd hope these differences were significant.

[@bthsr7113]

"Because I really didn't like it." Agreed on season 4. Tone, ending theme, and lack of resolution all bothered me. 5 joining the CIA makes perfect sense and doesn't feel wrong, though. That was one good choice. Also, his actor could have made for a phenomenal Artemis Fowl if there had been an opportunity and worthwhile production for the role.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

Perhaps Moriarty in the next Sherlock Holmes adaptation?

[@BrokensoulRider]

We don't speak of the disaster Disney put out.

[@Di7manya]

Even from just an episode to episode storytelling perspective its incredibly bad. Most of the siblings get nothing to do (Luther and Diego for example spend multiple episodes in a CIA basement waiting for the ending to happen, Klaus exits the plot the second he is given the marigold and only comes back in the end, etc). And lets not to talk about how mean spirited the season is with some characters like, again, Diego, who is repeatedly called a fat useless moron for no reason. Then he gets a shirtless scene where he is all jacked, like did they forget they were calling him fat for multiple episodes?

[@asilnorahc8910]

I liked the season4 but I ABSOLUTELY AGREE on the Artemis Fowl point. What a disaster! Disney ruined one of my childhood book series and the actor of Five just looks exactly how I'd picture Fowl.

[@egg_bun_]

​@@asilnorahc8910Omg yes

[@countl531]

5:42 By the way, «Vanya» is a male name, so they could keep him being Vanya, but probably they wanted to emphasize that it was a new part of life or so

[@Ty-wy7yq]

Exactly I know actual trans people with non gendered names or nicknames that change their name still, I guess it makes it harder for people to forget you’re transitioning so people will use their new pronouns

[@Kelly-np2xq]

It's actually my grandfather's name lol

[@Painocus]

@@Ty-wy7yq Vanya isn't non-gendered tho. It's male-gendered in the first place. It started as a nickname for Ivan.

[@UmbraKrameri]

Honestly, I don't think they knew it's a male name. For anyone not familiar with slavic languages, names ending with 'a' usually read feminine. Plus, they likely didn't learn much Chekov either. XD

[@pattheplanter]

@@Painocus In Bulgaria, Vanya is a feminine name.

[@alexkmz]

another fun fact about Gerard's comic credits: he also did a very popular stint on DC's Doom Patrol, parts of which inspired and were adapted into the Doom Patrol TV show which premiered THE SAME WEEK as the Umbrella Academy season 1.

[@lillajoba6710]

A really good show too. I have got to continue Doom Patrol

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Love that show. Still waiting for the DVD of Series 4 to come out in the UK.

[@Tuskbumper]

Wild how doom patrol actually had a decent ending in comparison to this 😗 4 seasons, and ended last year

[@mrhoapro1]

Gerard way is also the only writer Grant Morrison allow to use crazy jane in doom patrol

[@nlm2nd]

I think I might have seen someone posting about this on Tumblr at the time.

[@SimonCallahan]

A small difference not mentioned is that Hazel and Cha-Cha switched names between comic and TV series. In the comic Cha-Cha is the one in the blue mask and Hazel is the one in the pink mask. Also, there's a spin-off mini-series comic dedicated specifically to Klaus that is absolutely unhinged. It takes place before the events of the first comic, and it shows Klaus going from heavy drinking (which was what he originally did to deal with his super powers) to hard drugs. The main antagonist is a vampire monkey mafia don.

[@MADLADCOMICS]

I would love if Netflix Pulled a Scott Pilgrim again and decided they're going to redo the entire series but animated and more loyal to the comics with the original voice cast somewhat still involved

[@BlackCover95]

-redo the entire series but animated -loyal to the comic You sure you mean _Scott Pilgrim_ ?

[@MADLADCOMICS]

@@BlackCover95 the Scott Pilgrim show while not exactly like the comics still feels like a closer adaptation in style. If they decided to do this animated they could still have range to add new things but the point of my comment was that much like how the Scott Pilgrim show is a closer adaptation to the comic an animated Umbrella Academy could follow a similar flow.

[@Goat5747]

But the scott pilgrim show isn't at all like the comics. ​ The only thing that is similar is the beginning and the art style that's about it.@@MADLADCOMICS

[@WonderlandSnack]

@@BlackCover95the animated show was a really interesting take/spin on the Scott pilgrim story and added to the story of the comics in its own way (especially with how they jump to the future too)

[@BlackCover95]

@@WonderlandSnack Oh, certainly. It was a great show. But it definitely wasn’t loyal to the comic.

[@anthonymorales9869]

Given his ability to hold his breath unnaturally long and his skill in altering the trajectory of his knife throws, it could be implied he is using a low level of Aerokinesis, subconsciously creating wind tunnels to direct the aim of his knives.

[@sleepy.timaeus.arts.]

ooo, that makes sense!

[@joshuan3265]

WTF. That clip of Luthor going "I like the hair" that got a emotional reaction out of me.

[@trinaq]

Totally, Luther gets a bad reputation, but he really cares for his siblings, and I loved his interactions with Viktor towards the end.

[@depressedbreakfast2614]

The scene in season 2 where he apologizes to Victor in the barn is one of my favourite scenes in anything I’ve ever seen.

[@Di7manya]

Luther is a really sweet character that is obviously a bit of an afterthought for the writers, which is good because they don't get to ruin him in later seasons. He really loves Viktor and genuinely regrets being shitty to him, which makes their interactions really sweet. Also Tom Hopper is a delight, super underrated performance.

[@j_fenrir]

​@Di7manya yesss, tom hopper is an amazing actor! he's very good at gentle giant characters, or maybe thats just because I've been a fan since he played Percival in the Merlin tv show haha

[@Di7manya]

@@j_fenrir He also has some pretty good comedic timing and a lot of the comedy involving him works because he really commits to it.

[@eepmeep8550]

Supernatural bureaucracy is a long (very long) running theme in east asian stories, so that's probably where it came from originally.

[@marocat4749]

At least journey to the west. Heavenly court and its shinanigans, right?

[@mirjanbouma]

@@marocat4749 omg yes 😂

[@RANima71498]

The most shocking thing I heard today was that the Umbrella Academy, a tv series I barely cared about, was based on a comic book that was legitimately written by the frontman of one of my favorite bands ever and that he also helped develop and create one of my favorite Spider-characters.

[@sarafontanini7051]

probably hit you like the Spaceboy hit the Eiffel TOwer during its rampage

[@Frenchaboo]

TUA was so great... until the last season.

[@KDeanie]

He also writes for the comic revival of the Doom Patrol and Cave Carson!

[@amberlee4536]

he was interning for cartoon network when 9/11 happened. he had always wanted to do comics and then he just kinda made a hard left turn into music for a bit when the comics weren't going well for him and he was dealing with the aftermath of witnessing a terrible thing. then he became a famous singer-songwriter because of his remarkable ability to plumb the depths of human suffering and delusion and suddenly he was getting invites from comic book houses left and right. it's a (small) part of why mcr ended - this was always where he wanted to be and where his passion was

[@bdp8102]

it was pretty moving when they picked The End by MCR for the trailer of the last season

[@CBSmith-js9yl]

Gerard way’s career is so fascinating. Like he was so close to be an early cartoonist for adult swim before aqua teen hunger force and 9/11 happened inspiring him to pursue music instead.

[@manymomath5466]

And then, he managed to be incredibly successful after doing a switch-up back to something similar to what he wanted to do in the first place. There’s many parallels between him and his cousin Joe Rogan, who the public didn’t even know was related too until like a year ago. Gerard way is everywhere.

[@ItsYaBoiV]

My main like for the show was that Five is essentially the main character and Aidan Gallagher killed it in the role. Five is my favorite part of the comics, and tiny, angry men are my favorite character trope, so most of the show was great imho. 😂

[@manymomath5466]

My one and only complaint about the casting is that Gallagher just isn’t little enough. I want five to be a two foot gremlin in BOTH forms of media. Tiny, angry man>>>>

[@RocketShippertjeh77]

One of the changes between the comic and the TV show that didn't make it into your video since it's rather irrelevant to the plot but which I find very interesting is that in the comics, Luther and Five are twins! I always liked that little detail

[@ZiggyonMars]

Oh my gosh that’s so cool! I never knew that, really wished they had kept that in the series. That would have been so fun.

[@manymomath5466]

It must’ve been hilarious to be five cause like.. imagine being the taller twin and then you revisit your brother a few years later to find that he’s now a massive, hairy ass space gorilla that’s three times your size 💀

[@borjankosarac3645]

If I recall correctly, Elliot Page did offer to keep playing his character as the cisgender Vanya, but the crew wanted to accommodate him… probably concerned about the effect on his mental health that not addressing his dysphoria could have. I really respect that, too.

[@angra7]

Really? That's so great from all of them involved, Elliot for being so committed and the crew for being kind and understanding

[@84rinne_moo]

Yea wow that’s great to hear!

[@cadenisforeverbored1612]

I really love that, it’s really considerate and even being 100% comfortable in one moment doesn’t guarantee it forever. i’m glad they took the opportunity to show a good way for the family to handle it and to respect elliot.

[@wokeesg]

imagine enabling mental illness 😂

[@elskabee]

reminds me of how Laverne Cox in Orange is the New Black was willing to play her character's pre-transition self, but the crew was concerned about the potential negative mental health effects of doing that so they got her twin brother to do it instead!

[@ryanmcamis7419]

In Gerald Way's defense, his comic inspiration was Grant Morrison. When your inspiration is the writer who wrote New X-Men, JLA, The Invisibles, and Doom Patrol, you have good taste.

[@SwiftyStardust]

>Gerald Way

[@bthsr7113]

Grant also wrote Final Crisis, so let's not give them unconditional praise.

[@jalapenoofjustice4682]

The TVA was created in the 80s, but I think the specific 70s aesthetic was more of an MCU invention

[@M.M.Y.B]

And then the arrowverse has a time masters society and another version in seasons 1 and 2 soooooo

[@rock21611]

Quick note: Peni does have a brief appearance in the second film, Across the Spider-Verse, and has a much more comic accurate mech suit.

[@RealLukeWilson]

My favorite thing about the JFK assassination in the comics is that, the reason they had to kill him was because, if he had lived, Hazel and ChaCha would’ve gotten ahold of some nukes and decide to blow up the world on a whim. The absolute silliness of it all is so fun.

[@manymomath5466]

I really love that twist too!! I got chills reading that lmao. I found “the strangling scene” (or… whatever the hell it was that luther was doing to five.. ) absolutely hilarious and utterly heart wrenching at the same time. Like.. five planned out this whole elaborate ruse to kill JFK and save Luther, and then Luther just scoops him up and scolds him for being a terrible person, actively making death threats while five just helplessly squirms like a lil worm gasping for air. I don’t know how to feel about this. I wanna laugh so bad but five looks so depressed about the fact that his brothers just stood there and watched him get nearly get his skull crushed when he’s only committing this atrocity to save both himself & his brother. This shit bouta make me laugh & sob at the same time frrrr

[@Eightflowermantis]

Been a fan of the comics since a kid, like I think the comic was not really able to translate easily to tv, and loved the first two seasons, they somehow felt like loyal adaptations still, but the last 2 seasons felt off. Fun fact he’s now the curator for Doom Patrol which is the most obvious inspiration for Umbrella Academy and his brother is a comic writer as well now too he did Electric Century.

[@marocat4749]

Not live action, if they did an anime reboot it could i guess.

[@Eightflowermantis]

@@marocat4749 I’d love a cartoon adaptation.

[@Kelly-np2xq]

Ok new about umbrella being written by him but HOW DID I NOT KNOW HE MADE PENNY PARKER

[@RealLukeWilson]

One thing I really like about the show version of Klaus was the way they drew parallels to the character Robert Sheehan played on Misfits. Klaus scrambling across the floor of a club after a pill felt like an homage to the scene in Misfits when Nate takes LSD at the club and can suddenly see his dead brother. Plus, the season 3 reveal that Klaus is immortal, combined with the season 4 plot of him being buried alive, is resonant with Nate’s power on Misfits, plus how he discovered his ability.

[@trinaq]

One thing that I always found strange from the comics was that both Allison and Luther, and Diego and Vanya were in romantic relationships. The Westermarck Effect denotes not being attracted towards people whom you grew up with as siblings before the age of six, and while the showrunners tried to point out that they were raised in a boarding school environment, the siblings all addressed themselves as such. At least Diego and Viktor never showed any romantic inclinations.

[@alanpennie8013]

Glad the show mostly dropped that, because it's definitely icky.

[@sarafontanini7051]

yeah that was a weird plot point, maybe something to do with hargreaves potentially keeping them WAY too isolated from the world for too long a time? or perhaps gerard way jsut didn't think about that and jsut wanted to have some more drama in the story.

[@jessebrown1996]

@@alanpennie8013 "mostly dropped that" they literally had Allison borderline rape Luther...Mostly dropped that? I'd take 2 completely unrelated people who grow up with each other dating over that but without consent.

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

It really doesn't bother me that much. I'm a youth worker and you see these kinds of relationships form all the time

[@robsonrobson9905]

While yes, kids raised together under normal circumstances are incapable of forming romantic attachments to each other, trauma and isolation reaaaaaally messes with that instinct. Under normal circumstances kids explore romance and sex with people outside their family group, but if you don't have any contact with outsiders those feelings don't just not happen, it's a pretty standard part of teen development unless you're ace and/or aro. So instead of fancying the cutie in chem class they end up fancying one of the few people they *do* have access to. In*est is suuuuuper common in isolated or closed off families who have little contact with outsiders, particularly those that don't educate or socialise their teenagers outside the family. Hence the Duggars boy abusing his sisters

[@aduckofsomesort]

I don’t think adaptations have to be true to the original if they are able to make their own original take and do so genuinely. I think that’s why the first two seasons were so good.

[@jaqjynx]

I’ve always had a (very irrational) fear of not knowing I’m pregnant and going into labour or at least not knowing until I’m really far along. So the start of this is terrifying to me.

[@Florceleste28]

Then there is a stand in Jojos Bizarre Adventure that could give you nightmares. And I know it because is one of my fears too, and is the part of the manga that scared me the most.

[@jaqjynx]

@@Florceleste28 I will probably avoid it then. Thanks for the heads up.

[@sarafontanini7051]

what I find really cool is each volume of the comics actually ahs a single scene used to set up the enxt adventure volume 1 has a scene where Number 5 fights a HORDE of goons sent from the time commission to capture him. However, we are never told WHO these people are or WHY they tried to kill him until VOlume 2. SImilarily VOlume 2 has a scene featuring a vaguely villainious businessman who had NOTHING to do with the story of volume 2 and said scene featured NOONE involved in volume 2's plot, so we wouldn't find out what his deal was until VOlume 3 finally came out to reveal he was one of the main villains of that volume. also random asides: I actually like how one dimensional and vile Hazel and Chacha are. Funnily enough while they're kileld halfway through the volume they're pretty much the main villains of the comic with the time comission being a greater villain of the plot, blowing up the entire planet just cause they felt like it. WHile they're more developed and somewhat symapthetic (well one more than the other) in the tv show, in the comic they're absolutely deranged and terrifying (they also NEVER remove their masks unlike the show) I do find it a shame the show pretty much fumbles the bizarreness of the comics and drops a lot of what made the comics so fun. THey were darekly satirical, a play on superhero comics played to bizarre extremes. I mean while it would've been a budget nightmare you can't tell me you WOULDN'T want to see the fight with ZOmbie RObot Gustave Eiffel played in Live Action. i feel The Horror's power is more able to partially summon many different monsters through his body, not jsut tentacles, he's jsut not alive long enough for us to see that. I quite like the twist that Diego's pwoers were so situational and banal. It's clear they're a reason why his adobtive dad didn't treat him very well and plays a large part in not only why he's SO antagonistic towards his family but also why he continues to distinguish himself as basically his world's batman to show up the old man, as well as shows that he's a badass DESPITE his powers not because of them.

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Yeah, he does monsters, I think the Netflix people forgot that quickly.

[@manymomath5466]

The horror is also overused. He doesn’t show up till hotel oblivion, when klaus has reached is absolute lowest point and ODs to commit suicide. Ben’s appearance is incredibly impactful and crucial to klaus’s recovery… unlike the show. There’s a bit of an issue with Netflix’s number five… they try to make the absolute most of the very limited knowledge we have about him in the novels and as a result his story feels more bland and less traumatic than it actually is. We don’t get to see how it affects him much, and he’s somehow a functional member of society by S4. In contrast, it dictates every single one of his actions in the comics. He’s literally incapable of being normal and he has psychotic breakdowns often. Netflix five is natural killer and was always bordering evil in his very nature, but he strives to break out of it because he knows it wrong. comic five was once gentle and craves the humanity he once had immensely, but he was forcefully forged into a sociopathic killer in favor of his time-jump capabilities. Just to be clear, I think the actor who plays him is incredibly talented and I truthfully believe no one else could’ve played a character like five. this is more of a gripe with a scriptwriting because Gallagher very clearly proved to have the capacity to act like a mentally unstable madman in the classic “I’m the daddy here” episode.

[@thequestingbunny]

Now that you've done this... my biggest request ever is Sweet Tooth. The first season of that is probably my favorite single story told in episodes presented on screen. Please please please please do Sweet Tooth. Love your work. You're my favorite channel on youtube, man.

[@macyfrost6730]

oh. I didn't know Gerard Way was a singer. Good for him.

[@antonizajkowski9698]

I like that they changed a lot. Makes it so that we can enjoy both takes on the concepts, without constantly comparing them

[@comicscinemaothermedia9247]

I always like it when there is a Graphic Novel lost in adaptation episode

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

He did Scott Pilgrim too, does that count?

[@comicscinemaothermedia9247]

@legzfalloffgirl5148 Yes. Along with Watchman and the League of Extraodanery Gentlemen

[@dbilly121]

I'm still so salty how they fumbled the bag so hard in the final season when the bag was dancing on the grave of the comics for seasons 1-3.

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

My dramatic take: The final episode was my Game of Thrones. I've watched shows with notoriously bad endings and just found them wildly mediocre or actually fine (I blame aggressive fan responses making me expect them to be so much worse) but this finale genuinely annoyed me. Having the final episode wrap up with "shit, we've got 15 minutes left...umm...okay, everything's wrong because you all exist so you have to kill yourselves," especially after the majority of the show was about these characters fixing the problems Reginald caused and just trying to live happy, normal lives in spite of their trauma felt kind of gross, not bittersweet like I think they were going for.

[@alanpennie8013]

An absolutely brilliant soundtrack. Except for Baby Shark. But even that made me smile.

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

I absolutely LOVED when they were whining in the car like a bunch of babies but Daddy Diego wouldn't stop because they were "making good time. "😂

[@Di7manya]

The Baby shark bit would have been funny if they did it once, but they just kept doing it over and over to the point it was obnoxious.

[@shadowking9739]

Something that I wish the show adapted was the way the White Violin was defeated. In the comic, before Number Five shoots White Violin/Vanya, Klaus comes strolling in wearing a monocle, apparently possessed by the spirit of Sir Reginald, and proceeds to verbally tear W.V. down. But then it turns out that Klaus was bluffing and tells the group that he wouldn't dare to even try and conjure Sir Reginald's spirit. It was both funny and clever.

[@renhatori2849]

Yeah, Gerard originally wanted to be a cartoonist for Cartoon Network, even had a meeting. The day of the meeting was 9:11 when he saw the tower's drop. He was like. Hey, I should start a band instead.

[@otaking3582]

6:45 "His powers are in question, but time travel is certainly involved" So his Stand is King Crimson?

[@protoaltus]

Nah i would say his power is mor- but that's just the gist of it ig?

[@reverzdevil293]

​@@protoaltusYou sure? I always thought his ability was s- ut now that you mention it I guess it makes sense that way.

[@CoL_Drake]

i honestly loved how they moved Vanya to Victor, no big scene no big TAM TAM just a "i am that" and everyone was like "ok then". thats honestly how i rly wish it always goes in real life, its no big deal guys

[@benjamindrayton1380]

To be fair, it is an adjustment for everyone else. As my uncle said to my cousin, when they went through their gender identity... change? Affirmation? Whatever the correct term is. He said that he has known his child as a particular gender and name for their whole life up to that point. He can't just flip that on a dime. It took some adjustment, even now, a couple of years later, he still occasionally refers to my cousin by their old name before he catches himself.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@benjamindrayton1380 People readily accept bigger changes all the time with little issue. People are weird about tiny things and grasp for justifications for poor adaptation. I've seen this too often for too long and all for the same mentality type. It's not even close to universal.

[@BrokensoulRider]

@@VelaiciaCreator The older you get, the more you want things to stay the same. It's hard for older generations to adjust to the changes, and things have been changing faster and faster. Even I as a 30 year old am finding it hard to change when it comes to cars or phones. The fact that the other person's uncle was even supportive to the change at all is a bigger feat than any for anyone above 50. That in of itself should be a massive win for the cousin, because their father is supportive of the change.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

@@BrokensoulRider I know MANY members of the older gens who have zero issue adapting. They outnumber those who have trouble. The problem is those who claim to have trouble are overly vocal about it.

[@BrokensoulRider]

@@VelaiciaCreator How many do you know compared to the rest of the 68% that are over 60? Most people don't like change. And a change this dramatic does mess with people. I know about 5 transgenders and they're good with the fact that I occasionally confuse them. It gets easier over time, but the initial is hard. Mind you, I have other issues that make it harder for me to accept change, period.

[@noviatoria2436]

Honestly I thought season 3 was the big shark-jump of this show, what with all the potential of the sparrow academy being wasted as they all get killed off quickly, with an embarrassingly bad representation of a disabled character, with making Allison into an irredeemably evil person but still treating her as the good main character who gets a wish fulfillment totally unearned ending, AND with doubling down on Luther doing bizarre pseudo incest shit. Weird that it took until season 4 for critical reception to become super negative

[@sarafontanini7051]

quite a shame, as the sparrow academy were the big cliffhanger of volume 3 of the comic with it being almost certain they'll play a larger role in a VOlume 4 if we ever get it

[@tVt2000]

@@sarafontanini7051rumors say it might be out in the later half of 2025

[@Di7manya]

Mostly because coming from season 2 (hands down the best season) I think the drop off in quality gets excused a bit more easily (sunk cost fallacy and all that). Season 4 comes off the back of a shaky season and is notably worse than most of the worst parts of season 3. Like half of the siblings spends multiple episodes of season 4 just waiting for the ending to start. I don't understand what you mean with Luther doing pseudo incest shit in season 3. Other than Allison SAing him, there's nothing else that could be seen in that way.

[@noviatoria2436]

@@Di7manya His terrible "romance" with Sloane. It is a bit of a stretch but it's super questionable that for the first 2 seasons he was obsessed with dating Allison, then in the third season he has a love interest who's kind of his alternate-universe sister, and who has zero personality or characterization outside of dating him. Just gross and bad writing. You are absolutely right that season 2 was by far the best tho.

[@Di7manya]

@@noviatoria2436 I think by the midpoint of season 2, Luther is already over Allison. So him moving on in season 3 makes perfect sense to me. I get not liking the romance with Sloane (the show really doesn't care about developing Luther too much so his subplots are treated accordingly) but imo there are no incest adjacent vibes in that relationship. Not only are they not blood related, the Umbrellas and the Sparrows don't see each other as siblings at all, and critically they weren't raised together which is what made his romance with Allison weird. Sloane is as removed from Luther as Lila is from Diego.

[@crashstarr6531]

I *did* know who wrote these comics, but that doesn't mean playing Welcome to the Black Parade in the background didn't force me to pause your vid for half an hour while I binged my old high school ipod touch playlist...

[@Sootielove]

It's such a shame when a show you like has a bad ending because it makes you question if the rest of it was any good in the first place. My feelings about TUA are a bit tangled right now, but overall I think I do prefer the changes it made to the comics, if only because the slightly more grounded tone is more my thing (and Viktor's White Violin design is so much more visually interesting than White Naked Woman)

[@Molikai]

oh, something that would be an 'in name only' - Altered Carbon.

[@thelastdictator482]

It's amazing how the show made the dumbest unnecessary changes that literally undercut the story. It was almost brilliant too.

[@lostmediadetective6603]

8:10 "the mickey mouse clubhouse theme" was sung by " they might be giants"

[@tehn00bdude]

I'll always watch umbrella academy, if only because I'm a misfits fan and want to see Robert Sheehan succeed

[@troperhghar9898]

More Dom singing please

[@SilverNox]

My husband and I were really turned off of the series after season 3. What they did with Allison made absolutely zero sense to us so we’ve been hesitant to return for the final season. I really enjoyed the first two seasons so I may just have to pretend it ended there to keep my fond memories lol

[@sarafontanini7051]

you can try the comics and see if they did her better there (she does do some morally questionable shit but it has repurcussions and she's not portrayed as in the right for it, nor is she portrayed as even enjoying what she did)

[@SilverNox]

@@sarafontanini7051 I might have to! I didn't know much about the comic before but after learning more and seeing parts in the video, I'm much more interested

[@kaitlyn__L]

Her killing Harlan was such a big deal for me. Sigh.

[@kodabuck225]

idk if I'm the only one here, but I liked S4 a heck of a lot more than S3, like the last ep was a total cluster F, but other than that I thought it was pretty good. theres a time skip and funky power stuff that I found interesting, and theres a weird conspiracy cult, plus the whole thing kinda felt it was set in a weird time bubble of the 2010s mixed with the 1970s/80s because of the type of cars and tech that everybody used, it wast neat, idk, I liked it. Also Alison isn't a creepy evil ass in this one, theres a time skip, so its been years, and stuff has happened, and its all pretty chill now, so thats a big plus for me.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@kodabuck225 they’re both about equal for me, 3&4, I don’t hate S4. I liked their take on the Berenstein Effect, and the time skip. I do think the structure fell-apart about halfway through though, that the subway wasn’t necessary, and honestly I kinda wish they’d done it without powers rather than being “roofied”. That first episode in this season is maybe my favourite single episode? I like it better than most of S3 (it’s kind of on-par with S3’s “retired” Five, but that’s less than one episode long. I guess I just crave them attempting to navigate normalcy. S2 was my favourite overall, partly because of how much “normal life” stuff it gave tbh.)

[@hydron3299]

When the season ended i went looking for this video, happy its out now

[@trinaq]

Ditto, Krimson Rogue had a plot comparison a few years ago, around the time season two came out.

[@hydron3299]

​@@trinaqill go check that out, thanks

[@CeasiusC]

There's a lot I don't particularly like about the show. But the casting was fantastic, they play off each other very well. This didn't feel like a superhero show, this was more about a dysfunctional family sitcom with super powers as a backdrop.

[@triccele]

The power of Allison in the comics is really weird... She can change reality as long as she can make other people truely believe it, that's why she sais "I heard a rumor", because is a relatively easy way to make people beliebe her.

[@markymark7247]

The idea of a time travel agency trying to rectify a timeline is way older than the Umbrella Academy or Marvel. Issac Asimov wrote about it in the End of Eternity in 1955 and I doubt he was the first either.

[@kodabuck225]

oldest one i know of is a old asian mythos about a council of time travelling deities who's job is making sure the correct stuff is done at the correct time, Im pretty sure it's Chinese, but i could be wrong

[@shinyagumon7015]

Remember Gerald Way wanted to become a cartoonist and worked at Cartoon Network until 9/11 made him reconsider it. Also while I'm a big fan of weird and wacky comic book worlds I guess it was for the best that they toned it down in the show.

[@sarafontanini7051]

I however lament the fact that most people will never get to see the umbrella academy fight the eiffel tower or see Klaus and Spaceboy fight vietcong vampires. At least they kept the fish even if they MASSIVELY downplayed his role in the adaptation

[@TheFatalcrest]

....honestly I kinda am curious if he will try again

[@marocat4749]

@@sarafontanini7051 Maybe one day, if they rebooted it into a cartoon, it would actually one worth it?!

[@mrcritical6751]

@@marocat4749honestly I think a movie for each volume would be a better choice. They’d have a bigger budget to do the crazy stuff from the comics

[@rateeightx]

@@sarafontanini7051 Yeah, AJ Carmichael's role in the show felt rather lacking honestly, It was never explained why or how there's a talking goldfish, And he hardly did anything, Really felt more like a little nod to fans of the comics than an actual integral part of the story.

[@Thistlespawn]

Fun fact: Vanja is actually an exclusively male name. It's obviously a research fail on the writer's part, but with Victor transitioning in the show it basically retroactively became an accidental bit of foreshadowing. Lol.

[@ts25679]

Meta-humans are generally mutants, so I think they're already pretty accepting of some extreme differences, so I don't think that quite tracks. It's been my experience that people who are "different" tend to be more empathetic with those who share their experiences.

[@kaitlyn__L]

Eg autistic people generally being more understanding of gay and trans people. Which is why we're sadly now seeing reactionary backlash, trying to say autistic people can't understand what it means to be gay or trans and thus should be banned from transitioning.

[@mathieuleader8601]

Did you know that Gerald Way & podcaster Joe Rogan are first cousins once removed even though they never met.

[@bthsr7113]

eugh, I would hate to find a blightful branch on my family tree like that.

[@AstralPenguin]

I read volume 1 of the comic a few years before the show came out and I really didn't like it, but I ended up loving (the first two seasons of) the show so much!! So in my case I'm glad they made the changes they did because the end result was something that worked so much better for me, and I can definitely echo your conclusion that liking one version of the story doesn't necessarily mean you'll like the other

[@pinkblue-]

It's the royal Tenenbaums but with superpowers

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@pinkblue- THANK YOU

[@pinkblue-]

@@kaitlyn__L hehe Ur welcome I guess :)

[@tape-6]

idk if ur referencing it, but gerard has talked in interviews about how wes andersons movies were an influence on them!

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@pinkblue- been saying this since it came out!! no one I watched it with had seen the film before. (and only a few wanted to try it after I gave them the sui moment trigger warning, sigh)

[@johncliffalvarez6513]

The one thing I really noticed and bothered me about the first season compared to later ones, is that Victor went from being super OP to just average powered who could easily be dwarfed with a shot at the arm or by easily being surprised with a hit behind the knees. I wondered why they never explained the de-powering.

[@jakubgodyn7413]

I didn't get the chance to talk to anybody about season 4 so I am glad I wasn't the only disappointed one,

[@nightfall3605]

I binged it over a few days and just went along for the ride. The actors imbued their characters so well I didn’t really question anything until Klaus was forced a Marigold. His diving into degeneracy while acting like he had no choice really took me out. He didn’t even try…🤷‍♀️

[@bthsr7113]

@@nightfall3605 Yeah, that turned me right off. Dude was on the verge of finding peace with his power before, but nope! Just regress the character for no good reason! Don't even bring up the implied God he met in the afterlife!

[@ElleVervain]

The first season of The Umbrella Academy was such a gread tv show. Everything that came after that got worse ond worse over time. S4 was devastatingly terrible q.q

[@Yeibaldreamss]

I thought season 2 was better. I honestly don’t get why people dislike S3 so much, but S4 was utterly atrocious. What a disgusting way to be erased out of existence…

[@Dagothae]

Wait until Dom hears about the 9/11 -> MCR -> Twilight-> 50 Shades thing

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

Oh boy 😅

[@bthsr7113]

wut

[@mythuzalasheir]

@@bthsr7113 this is an oversimplification but 9/11 inspired Gerard Way to create MCR, Stephanie Meyer was inspired by MCR when writing twilight and 50 shades was originally twilight fanfic

[@raquelnunes9793]

The comic was such an influence on me. 1:33 he worked at cartoon network on several shows. Amazing dude. My life would not be what it is without Gerard Way. ❤❤❤

[@Fyreshield]

GERARD WAY? AS IN THAT GERARD WAY? what?!

[@Yardnoc3103]

1:05 I spent a good minute doing a Tennant-style "what?" over and over again But that is amazing

[@danguillou713]

I have only watched the show, and I have complicated feelings about it. There are some parts that I absolutely love. From the charming sidestory about how Hazel discovers true love and goes AWOL to the amazing performance of Aidan Gallagher. I really like the setup which starts with a basic getting the band back together to save the world, and ends where there traumatic backstory eventually causes them to fail epically, and the world isn't saved. Although that is a bit of shaggy dog story, a frustrating futile tragedy, which makes it a hard watch. But in a good way. I enjoy the forlorn depression and feeling left out of Vanya as portrayed by Elliot Page. I like the funnier depression and desperate escapism of Klaus (great acting by Sheehan) as well as where the story takes him and his character development later on. But there are other parts of the story that grates on me. I don't like how often people dramatically fails at basic communication, just so the plot can happen. I don't understand why they so often are total dicks to each other, needlessly, as it seems to me. Yeah, I get that they're all royally effed up by their abusive father, but there should have been at least some traumatic bonding - victims together tend to get really soppy with each other. And generally, if protagonists are unlikeable, but not full on villain protagonists, it becomes harder to care about them. The friction between Umbrellas and Sparrows is a prime example. Their fights feel forced, and I don't care about the outcome anyway. The worst offender is Allison who is portrayed as both a moral monster, and also as an entitled immature self pitying Karen: I want her to eat scat and die. But the show very often seems to be written as if I'd empathise and feel pity for her, as if I'd be on her side... That doesn't work, she starts out annoying and unsympathetic, and then she crosses the moral event horizon. I want the others to realize that she is the worst super villain and team up to kill her, that's what I want. When they get soppy and forgiving and try to rehabilitate her, I get annoyed with them too. Anyway. It's an interesting watch. Cheers

[@sarafontanini7051]

i do suggest giving the comics a try. WHile the characters aren't monsters, they are complex, often dark and VERY fucked up. Allison is actually pretty interesting as its left ambiguous if she has used her powers on her loved ones or not, though she's consistently portrayed as being willing to do some bad shit if it means saving the life of Klaus, who's pretty much the sole member of the family she has any decent rapport with. Though the fact the comics are fucking weird may be a turn off.

[@Di7manya]

One of the worst things about Seasons 3 and 4 imo, is that the siblings keep being extremely shitty to each other, despite having spent 2 full seasons reconnecting. Like after the end of season 2, they should really be nicer to each other and trust each other's capabilities more. But the writers seem to think that what worked in the first 2 seasons was the funny banter and bickering, and not the genuine character drama and development. The show feels like a parody of itself having them be so shitty to each other, like you say for no reason. The disfunction starts to feel forced after a while, especially since we've seen them come together multiple times. The show has clear favorites regarding what characters get to be assholes (Five, Allison and Lila) and which don't. Diego is repeatedly called out in season 4 by Lila (& others) for not appreciating his soul-sucking job and married life enough, but Lila who ALSO HATES IT isn't! Lila gets to sneak around and be a spy or something, but Diego is an asshole for wanting that very thing, despite him being set up from season 1 episode 1 as the only one that could never leave the superhero life. Also Five deliberately is preventing Diego from joining the CIA for no reason other than to be mean to him. Diego and Luther spend like 2 full episodes of season 4 waiting in a CIA basement for the last episode to start, just because Five felt like being a dick to them.

[@rociohernandez3077]

The reason they often are dicks to each other is because Reginald had them competing constantly, that's why Diego has such difficulty agreeing with Luthor because he was number 2 (in the comics it's even more prominent with Luther being the "golden child" and Diego having weaker powers than his siblings, which force him to work harder I think). I'll say in terms of relationships, I do like how the comics explore their flaws, why they don't consider each other family for real (because they were never treated as such by the Monocle) and so on. Allison is such an example, in the show she starts season 1 being largely a good person who is over using her rumor to benefit herself but in the comic she still struggles with this and we can see how her actions impact the people around her and how they view her. It's not perfect, I also agree the show (at least season 1) did a pretty good job with making the characters feel more grounded and the conflicts be more interconnected. But the character development is an issue because it often feels like the Academy are acting a certain way (being combative with Five, not talking to each other or generally retracing their development) just to make sure we get 10 episodes.

[@johnwise9811]

It makes me so happy to see commenters expressing their love for the original comic. I was one of those fans who read them way back when they were fresh and I remember every year for like a decade I would search the internet for any updates on the third story arc. I truly do love the show but part of me is sad that my favorite scenes from the comic were either changed or cut entirely. Stuff like "I am a gazelle and the jungle is my home" or how unhinged vanya was when performing the apocalypse suite. The show and the comic are basically like two different people wearing the same makeup. Who knows if Gerard Way will ever write any more story arcs, but I'll gladly read them if he does. Hopefully they'd be better than Hotel Oblivion, cuz volume 3 was a little disappointing imo.

[@overwhelmed_cactus6820]

If I remember correctly, in the comics their numbers were in order of how useful he thought they would be for him. So it makes sense Luthor would claim leadership bc he's " number 1" and why Vanya was number seven bc she supposedly had no power at all

[@juliatakacs3994]

If i remember correctly, in the comics Hargreeves gave them the numbers, and it shows how dangerous they are - no 7 being most dangerous (Vanya in the comics) and no 1 being the least (Luther). But Hargreeves never told the children the reasoning, so Luther assumed he is the best as number 1. Just another way Hargreeves was a manipulative asshole.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@juliatakacs3994yeah I don’t fully remember the comics but I always got the vibe that Reginald knew about Vanya’s powers and was making her practice the violin constantly for the express purpose of having her siblings fight her one day

[@PseudoFiction]

the short where Allison creates a double that is murdered is actually the first printed story of UA in the Free Comic Book Day issue Dark Horse put out before the first series released

[@havendidit]

:o that's my favourite story in the comics, and that's so cool!

[@MrGruzefix]

He doesn't throw knives. It is shown multiple times, that he has telekinetic powers that guide stuff to whereever he intends them to go. The most recent season has him throwing packages and they do a Wanted on their respective ways into the yards and postboxes. He definitely has powers.

[@Ty-wy7yq]

I guess they just didn’t explain it very well (or I’ve forgotten it’s been awhile since I watched it) but I always thought his power was mastery of weapons

[@voidaspects9173]

He mentions that about 14 minutes in, he just explains it in more simple terms at the beginning

[@Ty-wy7yq]

@@voidaspects9173 then I forgot, it’s been a longggg time since I’ve seen the show :)

[@voidaspects9173]

@Ty-wy7yq oh sorry, I meant "he" as in Dom, not the character himself. Like, in the beginning of the video he introduces it in simple terms but mentions the logistics halfway through :P

[@Ty-wy7yq]

@@voidaspects9173 ohhhhhh, sorry it's been a long day hahaha. Have a good day though!

[@chrisholds1]

Another good video, thanks! Thanks for discussing some of Gabriel Way's other works in the comic book field.

[@orcatwar9810]

Here's some more stuff about Gerard way He was a huge comic nerd Specifically for the doom patrol He was interning at cartoon network and even had a pilot made And this a minor issue but surprised you didn't show the full message about Gerard coming out message

[@SanktaLo]

Thanks for this! I love the first two comics (haven’t gotten around to the third). I dipped out of the TV show after The Conductor wasn’t, well, The Conductor. I might give season 1 a second shot. I do think the casting was really well done, especially Klaus. I liked how they handled his character in what I saw of the show, even the drugs and Ben following him around. (If you can’t tell, Klaus was my favorite in the comics lmao). The comics have little MCR references, especially in the chapter titles. “But the Past Ain’t Through with You”, “We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals”, etc. You can definitely tell Gerard was working on this while doing The Black Parade. I think that also might be why he wrote Klaus to be over the drugs/booze, since he was getting sober then iirc

[@totalCoolerUsername]

Great timing, just finished the last season. Thanks Dom!

[@summerchild_]

4:42 i just think is a bit sad the only black characters ends up being the only qsister so when the brother's hang together, Alisson is the only one left behind.

[@secondkira6066]

Only sane female really, still very sad.

[@nonspiderweb]

this will be an interesting one for me. I love the show and I love the comic, but recognize they are VERY different stories

[@samm7371]

I read the comics first so that's where my heart lies. To me it feels like the world of the Comics is where the Silver Age shook hands with the Bronze Age; i.e. A lot of sci-fi drug trippy weirdness being observed by gritty, realistic and flawed characters. I also prefer the comic book Hazel and Chacha. It's a less is more type deal where not knowing anything about these nut bars other than they like sugar and guns is more interesting than the old 'oh the assassin is bored with his job' schtick that's been done a thousand times. Also Ben was described as 'the boy with monsters under his skin' and briefly in Oblivion we see his ghost with a big booty hole in his sternum lending credit to my personal theory that what ever creature he had contained...got out.

[@Logitah]

Only read the first one. What stuck to me was the fact that Vanya wore a thong to bed... NOBODY who actually wants to sleep does that!

[@januarymilk9347]

i found the show as a whole so frustrating - it's one of those strange ilk thats greatest strength is a great main cast i just want to watch hang out and it does everything in its power to stop them from doing that

[@bthsr7113]

Yeah. And after all the nonsense they went through, I wanted them to have a happy ending. SO MUCH FOR THAT

[@DaleyKreations]

My husband and I went from really enjoying the first few episodes of Season 1 to hate watching the rest of the season and not watching any of the rest. What really turned us off was the inconsistency of the characters believing in "weird stuff". Like they have a scene with 5 telling them the world is going to be destroyed and they are all like "Ok - we gotta fix this". _Literally_ the next scene was Klaus going "I see dead people and I've been talking with Ben" and ALL of them responded with "That's crazy". REALLY? Your _other brother_ just came back from the future with a 50 yr olds mind in a 13yr olds body, told you the world was going to be destroyed and you accept that at face value (along with your oldest surviving family being a talking chimp, one of you having a gorilla body, and the fact you KNOW all of you have some sort of powers) yet the idea that Klaus can see dead people is "unbelievable". Family dysfunction is one thing but stupidity is another. Like _believing_ Klaus but not trusting he'll have it together enough to help with the mission, or some other interpersonal conflict makes sense given the family dysfunction. Just NOT believing him makes NO sense.

[@Yeibaldreamss]

It kinda does. He’s either high 24/7, or utterly wasted. Witnessing weird shit go down doesn’t mean someone should automatically believe what they’re high as a kite brother is telling them. He’s not exactly the most stable person in the series.

[@DaleyKreations]

@@Yeibaldreamss Except they don't ask why they should believe him, or accuse him of being high, they all _specifically_ say "That's impossible". No, it's demonstrably NOT impossible.

[@itzmejustine5753]

the show is serious and unserious at the same time. i guess thats part of its "humor" thats kind of its thing but i assure you, s2 will be so worth it! its peak. but umbrella academy is probably not your cup of tea since that part still occurs throughout the show. He's taken the least seriously. but overall, its fun, quirky, surprisingly deep. just dont watch season 4. 3 is fine.

[@Yeibaldreamss]

@@DaleyKreations They told him to use his powers to talk to their dead dad, then, Klaus himself stated several dozens of times that he was incapable doing so. I can imagine the utter disbelief the siblings felt when they found out their wasted brother could’ve been useful this entire time, uttering the exact words Klaus had said to them (Again, several dozen times) “that’s impossible.”

[@KrisKrisKrissy]

I loved season 1 when it was about working through the emotional family trauma of their childhood and the rules of time travel were paid attention to. I was fed up with season 2 already bc it throws out both of those concepts, not continuing the story, and blatantly ignoring the rules it had established. (You can't make a bunch of big changes to the past willy-nilly and expect to jump back to YOUR version of the future/present)

[@pattheplanter]

That is explained in Season 4. Which is brilliant. Though not if you demand happy endings.

[@sava-smth]

Ah yes... I sometimes remember that Jerard Way wrote this, and then i forget until someone else brings it up

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

When I was a teenager my mother absolutely HATED MCR saying they were "too dark... that's just too dark." She went on and on about this awesome show I would totally be into called The Umbrella Academy. "Soooooo mom... guess who created that show?"😂

[@sava-smth]

@@legzfalloffgirl5148 oh, that's a shame 😂 did your mother changed her opinion on them after finding this out?

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

​@@sava-smthnope ☺️

[@ginsugray5469]

My favorite part of the comics is when *SPOILER ALERT* Rumor rumors the back of JFK's head right off in Dallas that day to preserve the timeline. Blew me away! (pardon the pun). I thought they really pulled their punches with that storyline in season 2.

[@gateauxq4604]

It’s too bad the show only had three seasons but at least they didn’t get a chance to mess things up with a fourth season.

[@AeonKnigh432]

The biggest difference between the books and the show is that the books were. You know. Good.

[@evapadilla8342]

Did anyone notice that after Elliot Page came out that Netflix went back into the credits for season 1 and changed the name to Elliot? It was so sweet ❤

[@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout]

Yeahhhh...that whole consent thing really came to a head in the third season with Alison and Luther. That one scene was uncomfortable as SHIT.

[@jermais8391]

Dominic is wearing tighter shirts now that he's ultrabuff, I see.

[@VelaiciaCreator]

They are normal shirts, he's just Cavilling up.

[@Spage-fk2dp]

It's so amazing to see how different the powers are alone in the comics. Like, in the show they would probably, definitely lose to 99% of any other superhero team, but in the comics, Klaus, Allison and Vanya/Viktor carry so hard they can defeat at least the likes of The Seven or Teen Team or maybe even the Guardians of the Globe

[@juliastrawn2113]

If any theater geeks are familiar with Slings and Arrows, here's a fun fact: The actor who played Reginald was Sanjay in the second season of Slings and Arrows!

[@samuelbarber6177]

Colm Feore is a legend. He was also in the film of Chicago, Face/Off and did a guest spot on the show, Gotham.

[@juliastrawn2113]

@@samuelbarber6177 I didn't know that! I just remember how amused I was at the sheer contrast between the two characters and the shows

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@samuelbarber6177 he also portrayed a fantastic Werner von Braun in For All Mankind.

[@jacquese8916]

14:49 THANK YOU!!! That didn’t make sense to me, you can do all of this crazy shit but when it comes to making a person walk…you stop there

[@katherinealvarez9216]

We can all agree that Reginald Hargreaves is the worst, right?

[@pattheplanter]

His decisions and actions certainly led to a bit of a kerfuffle.

[@CRIS_IS_ON_INFINITE_EARTHS]

Damn, the ability to manipulate objects in flight is actually really cool and unique!

[@limbobilbo8743]

I do think one of the weirdest aspects of the comics is that Diego is in love with vanya.

[@darianasosa7298]

Missing from this is the fact that Diego is in love with Vanya and they were in a band at some point. Also, it's implied Allison used her powers on Luther as well and that's why he's in love with her

[@AquaLantern]

A member from of My Chemical Romance... is responsible for Peni Parker? Excuse me, I need to sit down for a minute...

[@thequietestlilbucket8402]

As someone who read the comics years before the show: I really enjoyed season one so much, and liked how much more fleshed out the characters. I also had not been able to get past a certain part of Dallas, so the fact I would like the show as a fan of the comic is probably understandable