Silent Hill 2 Remake: Maria Cutscenes Comparison [1.00 vs 1.03]

[@RoyKoopaling]

The people saying they prefer the 1.0 version confuse me. The 1.03 version is clearly done to take some of the saturation away and make it more like the *original*.

[@reddays8448]

Except the fire scene with Angela is better in 1.0

[@labelnine]

they are probably "modern audience"

[@BronsonFan111]

I feel like people that just prefer everything from the first version of the game say that because they simply don’t have it on the current version. Like just the fact of not having access to it is enough for someone to say “it’s better.” Of course that isn’t the case for everyone and I do agree some things in the first version were better than what we have now, but it’s not a game changer overall to me. I do wish we had the pulsating walls in Angela’s section tho.

[@EddDeee12]

@@reddays8448no it looks like a hot cheetos commercial

[@StewHeisenberg]

@@BronsonFan111I think having the 1.0 version for some people gives them a superiority complex. Not sure why when the only vital thing missing was the animated flesh walls in Angela’s Otherworld.

[@Elevate388]

Sure, 1.0 is more saturated with brighter lighting, but 1.03 fits the tone and atmosphere of what Silent Hill 2 is.

[@rattiesteps1987]

Disclaimer for gamers being annoying about dei, sbi and whatever else, 1.03 is the release version that almost everyone played, all those changes you've been seeing online for the past days are changes that were already there when it launched

[@arvinjay336]

some of those permavirgs think chins are wOkE now apparently lmao Heather and the previous ladies of Silent Hill had chins too ---I guess they prefer leafyishere chinless design 😂

[@liminalmeow]

they changed the design on her dress to leopard print!! it’s subtle but it’s definitely a nod to her outfit in the original and looks a lot nicer

[@Marcusrafaelfet]

7:40 hair movement improvement is very evident here. Fog is denser and better. Lighting looks better in some scenes, worse in others, but I think this is relative to personal preferences.

[@Phelaidar]

1.00 has more saturation and fewer lights on cutscenes. Honestly, aside from Angela's Staircase scene and the moving flesh walls, everything looks better on 1.03.

[@Dante_Tim]

They were getting well-deserved criticism right up until the release, and to the credit of the developers, they listened to it and corrected all the complaints up until the release (and after), and brought the game's vision closer to the already iconic original picture. And they just made it in time to fix most of the problems. Otherwise, they would have received a colder reception at the release. I'm glad they did it this way, it's strange that they themselves didn't see all of this during development, but at least this way. They already jumped above their heads and did the practically impossible. Among the fixed complaints: -The fog in the cutscenes began to cover the characters themselves more (like in the original) -Maria's proportions were corrected, -The lighting in the iconic scenes was brought closer to the original. (Yes, this was really important) -Some shots were changed (for example, that very shot with a close-up of Angela, where due to flat lighting and an unsuccessful angle, her face seemed thicker than it actually was, and was turned into memes.) -Complained (and I did too) about how James tore off the stick when meeting the first monster, Now James makes an effort and tears the stick out of the frame. (This just became more realistic and does not look as stupid as in the pre-release version) And many other small details that are important in such a game, because in SH2 every detail is important. From the unfixed complaints: - In the original, the well after the forest run to the cemetery was normal. The water level was below ground level. In the remake they raised the water level so that modern players would notice the red square of save on the surface. oh... - In ALL SH games the chest flashlight was ALWAYS in the LEFT pocket. Which is read as the Light of the HEART, illuminating the path in the darkness of the subconscious. Now it's just a chest flashlight. minus the symbolism. (This is not so easy to fix, because you need to re-animate some cutscenes where James takes the flashlight in his hands and puts it in his right pocket. - Scene with Eddie)

[@StewHeisenberg]

Bloober seems to have a problem with body orientation issues because I remember in the original SH2 remake trailer, James’ ring finger is the wrong hand where he wore his marriage ring since in the first scene in the bathroom it’s on the right hand. Then when he pulls the noose his ring finger imprint is suddenly on the left hand. They seem to have continued this trend with the chest flashlight as well, and now it’s gonna be really complicated to get that fixed lol.

[@Rocket1377]

The best change was making James look younger. I get why Blooper wanted to age him (to play into the theory that he is stuck in a timeloop, and is doomed to repeat the same day over and over for decades) but it was a mistake, and they were wise to listen to the fans and revert him back to his correct 1998 age.

[@OperatorMax1993]

​@@Rocket1377 yeah, I'm glad Bloober changed him back to how he was (being 26-29 years old), also I thought Silent Hill 2 was set in 1993

[@hollowpup]

11:09 oh wow her head is ginormous in 1.0 !!!

[@arvinjay336]

reminds me of FF7 Advent Children Cloud in the movie's first teaser trailer back in 2004 lol his head was big and they adjusted it in the final version, same goes for the Remake trailer.

[@hollowpup]

@@arvinjay336it's giving Wonderful 101

[@graphicsgod]

I prefer the lighting in the 1.0 version.. Just looks better to me.

[@karenbash1363]

I see here not only light-shadow changes, but also small facial reworks. Well done, Blooper team.

[@brandonparra4467]

I wish they kept Maria’s bolder makeup from 1.0 :(

[@HisokaTheClown916]

The fog looks more realistic in 1.03

[@mightymartin6290]

But in gameplay on PS5 fog on 1.00 looks much better than in 1.05

[@xavibabys]

thank god they changed maria’s dress pattern to the leopard print

[@Dakobra_]

Very interesting to see just how much changed within 6 months. I'd say the launch version looks significantly better than the 1.0 build of the game.

[@sean8102]

Yeah I find in development stuff fascinating. There is a steam depot for the game called "bdg_edge" with a build that is from Nov 15, 2022 (~2 years old)! Obviously that build wouldn't be anywhere near content complete or anything, I'm guessing it stands for "Building Edge" as in what the considered the foundation to build the game was done... IDK. But yeah would love to look through a build that old, or some of the others listed on steamdb (builds 10, 9, 8, 6, and 3 months old are also listed). Recently discovered a site called the cutting room floor which focuses on cut content / data mined content / leaked builds etc of games and man I can waist so much time on there.

[@LordMarluxia11]

The prison scene needs shadows hiding her eyes and a rerecording of her lines. As does the basement’s basement cutscene.

[@SEISMICNOISEDNB]

Anyone that owns disc version can play it both :)

[@sean8102]

Never knew about the PS5 disc copy having such a old build on it. Surprised they would put a ~6 month old build on the disc. Safe to assume they just counted on 99% of people being connected to the internet and installing a update to the new build. But still interesting. Love seeing in development stuff, stuff that changed in development etc. There is a build listed on steamdb that is ~2 years old! Would love to be able to peak at that, obviously it wouldn't be anywhere near finished but would love seeing such a early look at the game. Anyway def prefer the overall look of 1.03. Esp the fog and color at the start of the vid. 1.0 to me looks more like smog or something than fog.

[@AC-mj1pr]

MARIA'S HEAD WAS EVEN BIGGER?!?!@?!@???!???!?!

[@HalfSith]

😂😂

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

It's metahuman. Their heads are enormous. Very disproportionate.

[@Marcusrafaelfet]

@@mihailoveselinovic7151 I don't think this has anything to do with MetaHuman; adjusting something as simple as head size is pretty trivial. While MetaHuman does offer some nice pre-made models that can be morphed together, what's most special about it isn’t the models themselves but rather it's rig and the interchangeability it provides. Maybe head sizes are an issue with the default models, but I doubt a game like this would stick with the standard base models since they’re very generic. The studio has likely developed custom models.

[@hakuseigaming]

Look like ichiya from fairy tail

[@KermaPippuri]

This whole time I have looked at Maria's/Mary's right hand and thought that maybe her actress has unique fingers and they put it on the model, because that being a shared trait between the two would have probably warranted a comment from James. But it has been a bug this whole time???

[@lilripsta911]

In the patch, she looks more ghostly/pale

[@DemetedP]

Hmm, personally I like the desaturation on 1.03 but prefer some of the higher contrast lighting of 1.0. 🤔

[@lastbeer]

I really can't understand how could they mess with her fingers... It's not just a bug, it needs to be done intentionally!

[@chiyuu_h]

I think they just forgot 💀

[@Squishmallows24]

What about her fingers?

[@rattiesteps1987]

@@Squishmallows24 They messed up the length of her fingers

[@Squishmallows24]

@ like overall or in one scene in particular?

[@bartoszb3762]

When she reaches for James in park, her arm and palm are unproportionally long.

[@Freezer5min]

Nice. Now could they add an option to change her outfit for the original?

[@Rocket1377]

I bet they will add that when they make her playable for the Born from a Wish dlc.

[@mightymartin6290]

You should do the 1.05 next.

[@Artemy_K]

I think the cutscene on 10:52 has a bug on 1.03 and more. I have this bug on ps5 with performance mode, quality mode looks like 1.0 version

[@DREMONEYSNIPERYT]

Mixed comments, can’t please anyone smh lol

[@friskflowerfell9689]

Always like that… not even surprising anymore

[@sean8102]

Or maybe there is a this thing called "personal preference"? Most people seem to be level headed about it. Saying they prefer one version or the other (most seem to like the 1.03 version, my self included) and saying it's mostly personal preference.

[@DREMONEYSNIPERYT]

@@sean8102 personally I’d prefer to eat you out. 😋

[@viniciushenrique8967]

24:29 I cant stress enough on how much i love the light in the 1.00 version. So good. Makes the scene better for me

[@aaronbarlianta]

I have to say the 1.03 lighting made it so much closer to how the original looks, the pre-rendered intro

[@GF-mf7ml]

You haven't seen the original one, it's an art.

[@Rocket1377]

Nah, you couldn't even see the background. The visible iv drip and hospital bed are crucial to this scene. The patch was essential.

[@viniciushenrique8967]

@@Rocket1377 i can respect, but disagree, since the original didnt had the IV drip, but hey i can respect it. Im just happy more ppl are meeting this amazing story

[@JayTekken1]

I knew it! Her head was oversized!!

[@gurugu2399]

April 2024 ? Are you saying the Blu-Ray discs were stored for 6 months ? Its possible ?

[@Thekempy]

well, the discs themselves may have been printed at a later date, but the game build on the disc is from April 15th 2024.

[@gurugu2399]

@@Thekempy What a strange decision to put such an old build on the disc if they had more advanced builds before the blu-rays were printed :/

[@bellumbra]

Фильтры делают картину более целостной. Насыщенная картинка хоть и выглядит красиво, но этот эффект дробит композицию на куски отдельных пятен. Без патча 3:38 правая щека Марии просто вывалилась куском на белом фоне; но с патчем плавные переходы всей картины целиком выглядят гораздо приятнее, все части картины составляют единое целое.

[@Ghosthere1111]

Big head mode

[@danielnorville]

og lighting looks better but less orginal but the new one makes it more eerie

[@mehmetdemir8]

1.03 looks like it has white filter on it

[@Sonder-i9n]

That’s how the og sh2 looked, the fog covered the characters

[@mehmetdemir8]

@@Sonder-i9n fog in a 3d space and full filter for the players camera view is not same yes og have the fog and the filter like this one , game has dark tones and fog but filter on the other hand I think it just not fits on the remake with current high res clean models, for me it just distrupts the overall visuals, colors and any other detail so I dont like it but it just my opinion

[@Omar-h9q]

I want you to pit Nadine against Nathan Drake in Knorr Uncharted 4

[@tomasfrancia3263]

the "anyway" mad maria scene is better on 1.00

[@Strife9]

This feels like some ps4 vs ps5 comparison. bloober team really improved the visuals.

[@JostikeGames]

Que cabezona Maria

[@Scyclo]

While i like the 1.03 version making the game look more like silent hill 2 i prefer the garden scene in 1.0

[@michaelgabber8255]

La comparaison avec la 1.4 ?

[@darealgreek]

bro why does the 1.0 footage look utterly saturated

[@levimoura8086]

The darker eyeshadow on Maria's eyes in 1.0 make her look more dangerous and bit more appealing, but, other than that, the patched version is much more sophisticated and has the appropriate tone and aesthetic to everything else

[@jericho2390]

just on top rtx on other rtx off that's all

[@sean8102]

Nope. There are very obviously some different char models (like Maria, her head is slightly bigger in 1.0), some very obvious, deliberate lighting changes (esp the garden scene) etc. Also I doubt adding raytracing (RTX is just Nvidia's marketing name) would *improve* performance if that was the only difference. Look at the frame rate difference between 1.00 and 1.03 (the release build 99% of us played) at 7:52 and Maria's hair bugging out like crazy ~ 8:10

[@UnthinkingHead]

its so foggy

[@Sonder-i9n]

That’s how it should be you should play the original games, 1-4 lol

[@friskflowerfell9689]

It’s Silent Hill, of course there’s fog

[@UnthinkingHead]

I will only say in my defense that when I was drunk thinking, bah, they will surely get this joke, I deserve it

[@luket3452]

No classic outfit option, not good enough

[@Rocket1377]

I'm sure that will be added later, probably alongside the Born from a Wish dlc. They should put in a 1998/Space James skin as well.

[@luket3452]

@ then I’ll buy LATER when we have the non-woke play option

[@JAMJOOM-GAMER]

I don't like update 1.3 at all; it feels altered for personal preference, not the original intent. "It needs to return to the way it used to be."

[@VoidEmergentFox]

Wow she looks better in unpatched. Everything looks better. I get the saturation argument and it adds to the graininess of it, but you can just fix that yourself on your TV. What they should do is fix the broken skin wall area. It looks way better in the original.

[@shibitoobscura3348]

You're not to suppose to need to fix it in your TV settings if it's done well in the first place

[@VoidEmergentFox]

@shibitoobscura3348 Sure, but my TV is set like that by default for horror games and some people prefer the color. It really shouldn't be a big deal to have to change it in the first place. It takes like 10 seconds and honestly I played it with more color on. I think people are being overly picky and ridiculous about this if the game is bad to them because it's too colorful.

[@vokonick]

Downgrade

[@LIQUIDSNAKEz28]

Yes, the remake's version of Maria is indeed a downgrade.

[@bartoszb3762]

Thankfully, there are mods.

[@wallacegranola]

Stop cry, slut🤣🤣

[@hakuseigaming]

​@@bartoszb3762 the way james run look so geh. I changed him into rayden it became obvious, the butt movement makes him geh rayden. I changed it into the first descendant's character, it fits perfectly. It's definitely how female runs.

[@bartoszb3762]

@@hakuseigaming Yup, his moves are not natural as they should be, Bloober could launch a patch with better animation of him running. I wonder why it couldn't have been implemented through motion-capture (at least it doesn't look like that).