Silent Hill 2 Remake: Moving Flesh Walls (Unpatched Version 1.00)

[@Thekempy]

These moving walls have now been re-added to the game in update 1.06!

[@x_.suzaku._x]

I hope the Flesh Walls back in a future pacth

[@SeriousDragonify]

Naive optimism... They removed on purpose.

[@JohnnyBg2905]

@@SeriousDragonify what purpose?

[@domi2023x]

@@JohnnyBg2905 to not offend some woke people.

[@JohnnyBg2905]

@@domi2023x woke people should sleep again in order for normal people to experience life fully

[@bloodyidit4506]

Sorry game is woke, not coming back. You can cringe at the term all you like, but you'll come to understand in a year or so.

[@uwu1970]

The logical reason for this is they removed it due to performance issues since this part is really heavy which is why some of the streamers i watched played this part had a bit of a lagging issue despite the lower setting.

[@g.ambrosio6549]

They added the flesh walls back! Thank you, Bloober!

[@jamesmorris7844]

For anyone wondering why all the machinery, it was in the original boss room for a brief moment when the camera points to the ceiling there's machinery but for some odd reason it's not there when the cut scene ends.

[@summerloverelectricboogaloo]

Machinery and the pistoning is the imagery of r*8e

[@kujumz]

modders you know what to do

[@pires11d]

This

[@paulapeno.]

@@pires11dthey’ve patched it 🎉

[@PouresMaggie]

I don't understand why they didn't animate the pistons like in the original. It was a subtle message, that me, playing as a kid back then, didn't quite understand even. Removing a lot of this game's subtle story-telling is hurting the game imo.

[@gingerbreadmann5699]

Dude, you didn't understand it originally because you were a child. The pistons are anything but subtle, lol. A lot of this game isn't subtle either. idk where people get that idea

[@yiprajosie085]

​@gingerbreadmann5699 it was subtle. Get off ur high hourse dont act like you knew what the pistons represents when u first saw it. The only reason you or 90% of us know what they mean/represents is because smarter people have been making video essays about silent hill 2 for years.

[@kiirosoleil]

I think the pistons were really obvious, but obvious doesn't mean bad... This game has a lot of subtleties, so there's a great balance. They should've kept the pistons imo. As far as I remember, they have another deeper meaning too, which is that the amount of pistons represents the times Angela was raped.

[@JimBob1937]

@@yiprajosie085 given the dialog leading up to the OG boss fight, the design of the boss, the name of the boss, the pistons and movement... yeah, it was not subtle and pretty obvious if you were an adult playing it. No high horse here, just that you don't need video essays telling you what to think, especially in this instance.

[@bloodyidit4506]

@gingerbreadmann5699 You had someone explicitly tell you through KZbin videos, you didn't figure it out yourself, all your information is secondhand and you don't play games.

[@leedunkin3338]

Something weird is going on with this remoal. Pulsing skin walls are barely any kind of sexual symbolism; it's literally in both Halo and Dead Space. Nobody was gonna be triggered by them in that way regardless of context. The pumping cylinders in the og game are at least debateable. This patch is a real headscratcher and I think we need to push for an official comment.

[@gingerbreadmann5699]

The pulsating skin walls are absolutely 100 percent sexual. I don't know if they should have removed them but when you take the context of the scene before this then they are so obviously sexual. Pluse the uncomfortable noises going on in the background

[@audreynogales]

Yall. It probably just caused performance issues in the long run.

[@bloodyidit4506]

@audreynogales Gaslighting.

[@ArgonautJon]

It's definitely sexual in kind of an abstract way but certainly no more explicit than the actual boss design itself. My guess is it's either bugged, or there was some technical issue with it. I'd just be very surprised if it were a ESRB thing.

[@shirokun002]

I have to guess it's performance issues, combined with the rest of the environment I'm sure the engine just got crunchy and made things extra stuttery, the game seems to have really bad performance issues that I really hope get patched out cause otherwise its a flawless game imo

[@ks_ig2728]

They probably removed this since the game was so unoptimized. Hopefully they bring it back as they continue to optimize it with updates.

[@landonhagan450]

This is probably the real reason. Otherwise why remove other, unrelated stuff in the patch, like the lighting effects in the fire scene?

[@AtelierOfWeebs]

I mean even without it, the game is still horribly optimized, even unplayable in some parts

[@phantomlumina8686]

Your point is valid if they eventually bring it back. But I have a feeling that it’s more about DEI and not just optimization. If it is about DEI, I highly doubt that they will bring it back.

[@g.ambrosio6549]

They added it back!

[@phantomlumina8686]

@ wait really?

[@sirencall11]

removing those walls was a mistake in my opinion

[@aaronbarlianta]

yeah its a much better representation of Angela's trauma and is a slightly toned down version of the piston from the original game

[@newacc6065]

@@aaronbarlianta was so bummed when the holes in the wall weren’t moving for the boss fight, it’s the little things that matter

[@aaronbarlianta]

@@newacc6065 yeah agreed, modern society has affected video games so much they had to censor stuff that dont even need to be censored 🥲

[@crypedits1632]

i liked them too but i understand if they thought it was too on the nose and wanted it to be more subtextual

[@Derozen3434]

This was actually intended by the devs. You can also see this moving walls in the Story Trailer I just don't know why they would remove this

[@fara.r.8181]

And the sound in the background...so disturbing

[@cats4603]

It is the most disturbing part here, and the fact they removed "that hole being pumping in and out" is where what her father did to her, i understood why, it might be too disturbing for soft audiences But funny things, they did not remove the "pumping" vibration controller!! That the worse thing i ever felt!! You can now feel what angela feel from her father!!!! That even way worse than that hole!!!!

[@mfj_art]

also the weird pistons from the og are no longer there, that was disturbing and really added to the meaning of this stage

[@AndalusianPrince]

They were on the walls in a corridor though.

[@lordbeerus462]

They are on the ceiling at the end and look like a pumping phallus

[@fayte0618]

I just played through this yesterday. It still looks and sounds like this but the walls don’t have the breathing movement anymore. I think its a performance thing on ps5 since game drops frames on areas with lots of movement like this

[@Krafanio]

I hope they bring it back in a future patch, because this feels like some weird way to censor the game.

[@rz5260]

I really wanted to be like the original. I mean, this is perfect but the movement of those black circles in the wall were really disturbing when you played at the original.

[@CHRISMED2]

I agree but by expanding the area they had to fill it with other symbolism. That's what I'm assuming why they changed

[@clamojoat8543]

im sure some one complained about it. it constitutes rape. like what she says don't tho.

[@Optimat1000]

This game is amazing. I've played the OG in 2002 and loved it but the remake is imo far better. The graphics, the combat system, sound design and voice acting, easter eggs are incredible. Bloober team did a fantastic job!

[@SlyPengu]

Took the breathing walls as symbolism for Angela’s being a living hell.

[@DomZeal]

They would gain more respect by using bold design like this, they dropped the ball.

[@Noizzed]

Why add the pistons looking cylinders but not make them move? Seems like an odd choice.

[@AndalusianPrince]

Some moved though. Further through the corridors i saw a few moving.

[@davidrondon3454]

IT'S BACK!!! Latest patch has brought the breathing walls back!!

[@JohnnyBg2905]

Also, circled stuff should move in and out as in original, which simbolizes sex I think which all gives this scene even bigger psychological effect.

[@coatza86]

They did that in other ways to keep things fresh. IMO. There was some machinery in the ceiling doing all that.

[@JohnnyBg2905]

@@coatza86 yep but why not repeating it from original while you adding the base of it from original? Those holes are not just there to be a part of the scenery to begin with.

[@bloodyidit4506]

@coatza86 Stop gaslighting.

[@coatza86]

@@JohnnyBg2905 sure. You can take that to Bloober and other things you want to complain about which is fair. Everyone has their opinions and it’s ok to disagree

[@coatza86]

@@bloodyidit4506 stop doing drugs and read. That might help you understand the other approach(es). I’m not the only one you have said “stop gaslighting”

[@Derozen3434]

I just love the unpatched version of this boss fight. Well it is a psychological horror game, the moving flesh walls truly adds a feeling of dread while walking and seeing to Angela's trauma.

[@raff1st1]

This game would be so much better if it wasn't strangely censored in few places plus abandoning these walls idea. Missed chance

[@shirokun002]

Censored how?

[@MrKutKuGaruga96]

​@@shirokun002for example: *Pyramid Head second encounter when it killed 2 Lying Figures. Very censored compared to the OG scene. *The way Pyramid Head killed a Lying Figure when the player face him on the first boss battle. Censored absolutely. In the remake PH already killed the monster when James arrived. * When James met Maria for the first time. Maria took James' hand and make him touch her breast to show him she's alive and warmth. In the remake she just touch James' chest to prove that. So far those are the scenes devs decided to censor from the OG game I've encountered because I'm still playing the game, already at the prison. There's another scene I think could be here too, when Maria opens a door by picking the lock and James tries to watch were all the things she uses come from. In the remake devs lowered James reaction.

[@JC-kl3uc]

@@MrKutKuGaruga96 What the hell? She just took his hand in the original. Her making him touch her breast is just your imagination. At no point it is shown that James was groping her. Same goes for Pyramid Head scenes. Ito explicitly said on twitter that he wasn't raping anyone.

[@MrKutKuGaruga96]

@@JC-kl3uc Ito is just a coward and his lies are working perfectly on dumb people like you. Wanna know why he is a fucking lier? Go watch Fukuro and then tell me again PH actions are not sexual on porpuse. Ito is just embarrassed because people thought he's weird and working on SH fucked his romantic life. Now he's trying to play dumb to clean his image.

[@Kageryushin]

@@JC-kl3uc No, she absolutely takes James' hand and places it to her chest. She doesn't make him grope her, the hand is placed above her breasts, and the action is "covered up" by part of the railing due to the camera angle (though if you move the camera, James' hand is indeed touching her), but that Maria is guiding James to touch her chest is 100% there and undeniable. Blooberteam is toning down the original action taking place. The same can be said regarding Pyramid Head's actions, which are altogether less obscene in their imagery.

[@FabrizioBortolussi]

Glad they removed them since the skin textures looked low res during the "inflation" and the mesh slightly compenetrated with the walls nearby.

[@clamojoat8543]

that cause its a console. looks SHARP on the PC @ max

[@FabrizioBortolussi]

@@clamojoat8543 I'll surely give it a try then. But again, I don't really see the logic behind this. I prefer anyway the "still" walls since it sticks with the original. But I'll give it a try!

[@clamojoat8543]

@@FabrizioBortolussi wasn't trying to force you to do anything. just was pointing something out. if you cant run the game @ max its not a big deal. if any thing you may want to look in to playing the game in VR. it nuts

[@FabrizioBortolussi]

@@clamojoat8543 I have a 4090 and an i9 but the game stutters like hell. It's the damn Unreal Engine 5 ughhh. After 22 years in the industry I would've hoped to experience a clear experience but UDK 5 is a pain in the ass to handle (from a dev point of view). Cheers :)

[@the3xit762]

@@clamojoat8543how is that true? You can’t access version 1.00 on pc you liar

[@ByzAsian45]

Moving walls and piston, actually more like Angela's "redacted" being ravaged by her father. That is why bloober removed this, probably my guess to avoid ESRB rating into AO+

[@SeriousDragonify]

ESRB doesnt even undrstand the rating... Gmbling is ok but these stuffs? Nah. Modern sensitive snowflakes in "esrb".

[@MarenWW]

If that were the case this wouldn't be on the published disk with an M rating.

[@clamojoat8543]

no cause this game is M for mature and its already got sexual shit in it. AO+ is for porn games only

[@brandenlucero]

​@@clamojoat8543Not just for extreme sex. Extreme violence especially in a hateful manner will get you an AO.

[@mastersquinch]

@@SeriousDragonifybuddy, it's the anti woke crowd getting mad at the way the sexual themes are handled. You're a fucking idiot.

[@JustHackingAround]

terrible terrible terrible thing to remove. Games censoring themselves sucks.

[@sgfredbear8114]

The final game still had those fleshy skin walls, but I do think that removing this motion of pulsing wall was a really waste of good visual. They really upping this boss fight by adding the environmental story telling, but man I just hope they keep this in.

[@robertjohnson6225]

Why did they choose not to have the pistons moving in and out of the walls?

[@Grendel2403]

It's pretty unlikely that they removed this due to a ratings issue considering that in the original game, the room you fight the Abstract Daddy in is lined with holes that have penis-shaped masses thrusting inwards and outwards. Game was still rated M lol, I highly doubt that was the issue

[@weisization]

el problema viene de audiencias modernas y su debilidad, esto es lo que pasa hoy dia

[@Grendel2403]

@@weisization Eh, yo creo que tiene más que ver con el Internet y la necesidad que tienen las personas para buscar cualquier cosa para empezar una controversia. No creo que es un problema de que las audiencias no puedan con esto. Hay películas hoy en día que hacen cosas mucho más espantosas que eso.

[@Dkeene86]

Honestly I doubt they removed it on purpose. They are actually a fairly amateur developer (bloober). They have already accidentally broken the game in one place (the labyrinth cube puzzle) trying to fix something else. The TV in this section was having trouble playing the audio. That was patched in version 1.4. I bet the only workaround when they changed the code was to have the walls stop pulsating. They wouldn't have removed it after Konami gave them the ok to publish it. I think the walls were the least of their concerns as far as symbolism goes in that scene

[@armacanqui]

While I think the moving flesh walls technically are "better" in terms of adding to the disturbing factor of the plot and level, I do think it erases much of the subtlety of the situation. It's enough that the monster is literally destroying Angela's childhood home; and the pistons/machinery do have a very distinct "rocking bed" squeaking and noise (with a faint moan mixed in with the scratching metal). Basically, the moving flesh walls are too "on the nose," like a billboard that says "hey look here! This is what we are trying to tell you!" The original had a look that was very weird and disturbing, while only giving faint hints at the subject matter.

[@rever98]

No way you think moving flesh walls were "on the nose" when the original abstract daddy boss fight had the very visible holes in the walls with thrusting pistons as a symbol for repeated rape.

[@C0T0HA]

It's more subtle than in the original game

[@BasedHoliday]

Pretty sure the abstract daddy wasn’t very subtle…also once you see the boss you should already know (from previous encounters with Angela) what her trauma is.

[@MrCironn]

@@rever98 You would be surprised on how many people had no idea what that represented back then.

[@leedunkin3338]

It's the OPPOSITE, man. Billowing skin walls do not scream "s*xual assault" to anybody. Pistons going in and out of a tube DOES. That's why people are confused about this patch.

[@Apollonia93]

Insane.

[@carlossaboia6467]

They bring this back in 1.06

[@Zazmirex]

Downvote me all u like but i in the OG the walls arent moving like that so its not a dealbreaker. Sure It looks cool and makes it real obvious what Angela had to endure but still i dont get why many of you get so unnecessary angry about this.

[@kibayaiba3893]

That wall needs to be pumped out and I really don’t understand why bloober team needs to sensor this I really don’t……

[@00Agent585]

Ps5 disc ver can always downgrade the patch.

[@VoidEmergentFox]

This is the one thing they royally screwed up on. It looks like crap either way to me. Walls don't look like flesh at all, just skin colored tablecloths. It should be ripped and tattered and blood and pulsing and undulating. It should be dripping blood and making squishy sounds. The pistons and stuff are cool though. Reminds me of the scene from Amityville horror: it's about time when the woman broke the wall of uer house open and the look on her face that she realized the insides of her house are now this evil clock. If no one has ever seen that movie and you like this, i recommend it. It's crazy as hell.

[@MrKutKuGaruga96]

Does someone know why Bloober Team removed that? At this point of life could be because of lot of thing, like Konami forcing that to no get into trouble because of butthurt audiences, maybe someone at BT was afraid for the same reasons, bug, performance issues...

[@FanPageMarinescu]

So how do i play this, 1.00 version? I have the disc, btw I have to disconnect from the internet and remain offline until i finish the game? Or ONLINE and turn off the updates?

[@Thekempy]

easiest to just stay offline and install the disc, then play

[@maidown]

The original is at another level

[@ryllganda17]

Maybe cause of Too much Stuttering on PC

[@TravisTheRudyFox]

They didnt want to trigger woke people

[@Drachenhannes]

Dude, calm down. I am pretty anti-woke myself. But you crying woke at literally every decision you don't like is just the same extreme as them calling everyone fashist. Sometimes things get implemented and the creative team just thinks "maybe we went to far here." and change it before release. There was a perk in Fallout 2, called "Child killer" with the picture of the vault boy kicking a pregnant woman in the belly. They saw it, thought that that was a no go and changed it. And that was back in 2001, when the woke crowd was either still in diapers or not even born. Not everything is woke.

[@egosirius]

​@@TravisTheRudyFox bro that's not even relatable

[@falconeshield]

​@@TravisTheRudyFoxThis isn't about woke. People.can get triggered by this stuff. Sadly abuse is not as uncommon as you think.

[@DemiSupremi]

@@TravisTheRudyFox pretty sure all the woke people were fine with it in the original game. OG SH2 is probably the most woke enjoyed game there is after all. It's because of how dogshit the performance is and they needed something to make it less ass, nothing more, nothing less.

[@zappbrannigan4170]

So why did they change this again?

[@18norbe1974]

Not all people can take it. Disturbing 😮

[@falconeshield]

Should be a option in the game settings. Psychohorror Mode: On/Off. ​@@18norbe1974

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

@@18norbe1974maybe they shouldn’t play a horror game then

[@phantombigboss8429]

​@@fullmotivatedgamer8612Maybe go out and vote.

[@leedunkin3338]

I don't think there's official comment yet why they changed it. People are jumping to the conclusion it was going to be sexually disturbing to some people but that makes no sense cuz its pulsing skin walls which is 0% sexual. That shit is in halo and dead space.

[@pascalswartjes1878]

on PC cant modders bring it back into the game maybe?

[@TheSennin]

I'm waiting for modders to make the pistons in the walls move, damn censorship!!!

[@VladyO]

I respect it from an artistic standpoint but the Remake's boss fight of the Abstract Daddy is pretty PTSD-inducing as it is post-update. I can understand the change--this will actually give some folks terrible panic attacks. Though I would like to know if it's possible to roll back the update or download it as free DLC for those who do want to see it.

[@yuriscynicism]

As a victim, I’d like to see it.

[@TickleMyPickleOkay]

Then don't buy the game if it gives panic attacks

[@kucingcing]

Don't play a fucking horror game then if it gives panic attack

[@sirencall11]

my question is why are you playing silent hill if you are that affected by such things. silent hill is all about trauma

[@manwithanidea]

@@sirencall11because it’s their choice captain no fucking shit 😂

[@sandorthegreat9678]

Love the remake, but yeah… why remove this? Very poor decision

[@clamojoat8543]

didn't they also patch the bleeding walls in the hospital ?

[@JoshSmith-ff8dw]

did these dorks really nerf the artistic direction of the game because they're too afraid to commit to what the game is about? what were they replaced with? haven't gotten this far yet

[@DSX001USER]

any way to get this in the pc version

[@zappbrannigan4170]

Have they addressed this being glitched? Are there plans to fix it ?

[@TravisTheRudyFox]

The glitch also known as triggered woke people

[@brabiz67]

@@TravisTheRudyFoxwhat are you talking about 💀

[@ngsgjsfushfanc-hz8wc]

@@TravisTheRudyFox you're a complete moron

[@leedunkin3338]

Its possible it was causing framerate issues but there's no official comment. If it was removed for being too disturbing its an extremely strange choice.

[@ZEEYANG]

im glad they took it out. i prefer the subtlety

[@OkonkwoChikamdabereGift]

Nice game

[@Killer_Kovacs]

Meat curtains

[@lambolim2178]

And people still say this game is woke 😂

[@EddDeee12]

glad they removed it, it’s way too on the nose and silent hills bread and butter was telling as much as possible with as little as possible. Should’ve kept the pistons tho

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

Why do these devs get over creative with their patches. Under what mental frame did everyone in bloomer team came under the collective decision that it needed to be removed ?

[@martinweizenacker7129]

I affiliate moving flesh walls with Silent Hill 3, to be honest. I don't think they fit in SH2, ableit it does look impressive.

[@leedunkin3338]

Right-- moving skin walls is in a number of sci fi and horror games and it's so patently NOT sexual that even in the context of this boss fight it's weird to assume it would trigger people.

[@atdrawn]

Yeah same, it looks technically impressive but the inherent goriness of moving flesh walls is more appropriate for SH3. I think it's one of my gripes with the remake, it feels like they borrowed aesthetics from SH1 & 3 instead sticking with the depressed, colder and rotten by water aesthetic the OG SH2 had. Makes the game feel less cohesive, but i think it's still a decent remake

[@martinweizenacker7129]

@@atdrawn Yes, it is absolutely decent and better than I had ever hoped. And I agree with some aesthetics being borrowed from SH1 and 3. The first thing that comes to my mind are the large fans you see in the remake numerous times. They were pretty much nowhere to be seen in the original, but are basically a trademark in SH1 and 3.

[@martinweizenacker7129]

@@leedunkin3338 What do you mean by it triggers people? I don't get that. I'm just saying the moving flesh walls better fit SH3. That's also were they were first seen in a SH game. SH2 has more of a less gory and more psychological horror compared to the other SH games. As in the game let's YOU image some of the details, rather than "in your face, look at this". At least it used to.

[@billybobby4637]

They chickened out.

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

People are making a big deal out of this. Sure I hope they bring it back. But probably by testing some noobs must have felt “too creeped out” and probably had trouble playing the game.

[@weisization]

pues que no jueguen, que tonteria es esa? Es un puto juego de terror no es disney, si inquita que pongan otra cosa

[@panzfaust9812]

resident hill game?

[@joeherrera8826]

They really need to do a patch to fix the faces on some of the characters especially Angela and Maria.

[@newacc6065]

Angela is okay but Maria’s jawline is way too manly imo

[@ItHamBoi]

they're both modeled after real women, they did an audtion, played the character correctly, and they modeled the characters after them

[@nijel1943]

​@@newacc6065 "too manly" holy fucking shit go outside for once

[@SeriousDragonify]

​@@ItHamBoiGunnarsdottir aka Maria doesnt have manjaw. In reality her jaw is normal. Not squared. At least dont spread your ignorant fallacy statement.

[@leedunkin3338]

Modern video game characters look like real-life people now and you waifu pillow spooners need to come to terms with it.