She-Hulk - Nobody's Laughing

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

The follow-up video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnayi4WpgLichqs

[@steepsort6905]

They took down your Multiverse of Badness videos. What are you gonna do, man?

[@yasminebenouahi2431]

Hey, awesome video ! She-Hulk makes me cringe as a feminist. It's just one more awfully written "women empowerment" series. I just want to add something. Yes, it depicts sexism in an awful way. But at the same time, most women do suffer from fear and anger on a daily basis. Not because some guy mansplains something but more like when we inevitably run into a creep in the subway or in the street. And 1 out of 3 women have been raped soooo they got the fear and anger right but not the real reasons. If they really wanted to depict what women have to go through they should've made a drama about sexual assault imo

[@jagatheeldest5786]

This is quite honestly one of the best critiques I've ever seen on KZbin. I'm not gay...but dudes making me reconsider.

[@allhandsonsteamdeck1440]

OMG ANOTHER GAY WHITE MAN COMPLAINING ABOUT FICTIONAL CONTENT 🙄🙄 😡

[@VendettaPSC]

Hey there, first time on your channel, and just wanted to say something, I paused, at about :45 seconds into your video to come type this. You did such a good job with this 45 seconds, so much so, that it illustrates the point so well, I don't think I will really need much convincing from the rest of the video on how this is gonna add up (I am of course gonna finish it now.) I just wanted to applaud you, or your editor or both for the collaboration on that, because man that was a really good way to show just the (or likely, what amounts to a) point without any BS. Just some random validation from a stranger bouncing through the internet, that intro bit alone got yah at least one sub! Have a good day man, gonna go watch the rest now.

[@idkh0ow]

she hulk saying “incompetent men explaining her own area of expertise to her” is a struggle while she’s literally explaining being hulk to bruce is the best joke in this show

[@bond1_mjblosser]

And the irony is totally lost on the both the character and the writers

[@muntadar-albahadily]

Lmao

[@SWAGTVmusic]

It's sad the writers dont see the irony lol

[@valdia127]

No no no no. She hulk is better than the hulk!!!! Don’t you see her ability to out perform him despite having to go through 0 failures, means of learning or having character development?!?! Of course she’s going to explain to him because he needs to learn from someone that hasn’t gone through any of the learning process he has!! Plus, she has to control her anger more than him duhhhh. The writers didn’t even have to show us that does because she tells us herself, while simultaneously getting mad as she’s saying it. Definitely not even more irony in this show.

[@Actile1]

It's made even funnier by the fact that, as we see in the show, Jen is actually a really bad lawyer.

[@liam4295]

“I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out…” That line alone makes his life seem infinitely more difficult than hers. Not because he’s a man, because he’s actually experienced trauma.

[@Freedomlives33]

But but but.....she gets cat called 👍🏽😂🤣

[@liam4295]

@@Freedomlives33 I forgot about that, I take back what I said🤣

[@Cardock2]

"B-but she has gone through so much trauma, not only was she catcalled, but she also was trapped in a suburban household where she couldn't express herself"🤓🤓🤓

[@depagogd1426]

@@Cardock2 dont forget incompetent men explaing her own area of expertees to her

[@Runningthesteadyrace]

It’s like the equivalent of someone getting hit by a bus and the other person says well yeah you think that’s bad I got a paper cut today at work and I’ll have you know it bled for a total of 3 seconds.

[@Isaac-lt3nn]

We need less “strong female characters” and more “strong characters that happen to be female”

[@azaza-sh7ze]

Maybe a strong female character that actually went through something and actually worked to get powerful.

[@averagezyzzenjoyer5630]

i think scarlet witch is a good female hero.

[@mcj44]

Yep. People like black widow actually gained her abilities through harsh training and a rough past Then you got she hulk after she gained a power that isn’t even her’s and already became someone who is almost stronger than the hulk, who worked on his power for over a decade. I completely agree. Gender doesn’t matter if you worked hard for what you got.

[@Trigger-ub6xn]

Ehhh, she's iffy

[@door1852]

You stole this comment, but who cares?

[@Yesiknowmom]

The women in the bathroom scene kinda made me feel sad and mad. The women thought Jen was abused by her partner, but instead of calling the police and staying by her side to make her feel and BE safe they immediately think of a "makeover" to help her.

[@phantacarrytemari]

thinking about, it that's a scene (without the woman implying abuse or whatever) I would've seen in a kids cartoon.. Girl sad? MAKEOVER!

[@RanMouri82]

Sadder still, the writers *fought* to keep that scene in the episode. 🙄

[@HickoryDickory86]

@knightofkorbin888 😲 You figured out one of their manipulation tools! 🤫

[@deadpool-xr6dr]

Wow, it would interesting scene with that perpective, but, they though that wre funny.

[@facundopollacino7956]

Pudiendo hablar tantos idiomas y elegiste hablar con la verdad.

[@mackenzielizotte2333]

I'm a woman, and I hate seeing strong, heroic male characters absolutely emasculated to make female characters look better. It cheapens both, and feels both lazy and degrading.

[@reignellwalker9755]

facts

[@cadenzayoullneverknow7448]

I agree... but here it's just comparing character development. Hulk has been through a lot to get where he is. She hulk... well she has her own struggles, it pales In comparison to everything hulk pushed through

[@cadenzayoullneverknow7448]

Wait.. I misread the comment

[@theghettonerd43]

Who got emasculated though? Yall are really reaching the bottom of the complaint barrel here

[@BoardWalkToke]

It feels like they are giving special treatment to you for being a woman. Like a handicapped person getting special treatment instead of just treating you like a human being. The female characters that stuck with me, just like the male characters, are the ones with failures but overtime they overcome these failures. A perfect example would be from the show Arcane.

[@domtom9594]

Bruce when becoming a hulk: -Been hunted down by the US government for almost a decade. -Almost died couple times and tried to commit suicide half of his life. -Unable to control his rage and alt ego for years until they decide to get along. -Watches close friends die or abandon him off the bat -Isolated himself for almost a decade to protect himself and others. -Took years for the public to recognize him as a hero than a monster. Bruce past: -Survive abuse from his father. -Mother committed suicide when he was a kid. -Had to get a life on his own without any friends till college. -Been bullied throughout his life with no source of comfort until adulthood. She-Hulk: -Instantly became a celebrity -used her cousin name as leverage -Brag about being better and stronger. -Idolize when first recognized. Jennifer Walters past: -Grew up in a healthily supportive family -Had friends and groups when young -able to achieve to go to law school without any issues -had better life than Bruce. But dear god please explain how catcalling is soooooo much worst than what Bruce went through... Edit: Let's not forget Hulk is just one personality banner has to fight off to be normal while Jennifer just had one which is herself. So let's add Bruce having mental disorder on the list.

[@mavvynne444]

True. I found her problems to be so petty & pathetic. It was ridiculous af. She was a walking joke.

[@destinyhntr]

She's making all women (myself included) look bad and petty. How did they manage to make Scarlet Witch (at least in earlier movies) and Black Widow so well while also making this insulting show?

[@nokturn882]

Well, when hulk became a hulk. He wasn’t viewed as a super hero. He became a super hero which paved the way for she hulk. Making her transition easier. When it was her turn, she and the hulk have been accepted by society. That’s the big difference between her and the hulk.

[@spacexmyneighbor]

She has white women problems, non existent

[@LomalaMalet]

​@@nokturn882 I'd add to that that the society in which they became Hulks is really different. When Hulk popped out (as a menace btw) heroes weren't that much of a thing. When She-Hulk became a thing it's like "she doesn't feel menacing compared to the many alien attacks we've got in the past years" and it's obviously mediatised. Also I don't think she "used" Hulk's name as a levrage. It's more like "people put an etiquette on me, imma use it". They don't come from the same background and it's what *could've* made her character interesting. Still, I feel the fact that Marvel is heading in a really different direction that feels more about getting new fans into Marvel rather than pleasing the audiance which is frustrating when you consider that it's supposed to be interconnected stories and so you kinda have to watch it without liking it if you are interested by the new phase they are unwrapping. Nowdays I see Marvel as a dog owner treating us as such making series that you may or not like and giving us little treats of connections from this to that movie or serie, episode after episodes to keep us watching shit we don't enjoy. How many Raimi fans went to watch Doctor Strange or Tobey fans went to see Spiderman:NWH and now how many daredevil fans are going to wait to see Daredevil on their screen even if they don't like She-Hulk... or Megan the Stallion (which I am proud of for being in the show) fans which again bring traction to Marvel from people who aren't into it usually. Now they start vanilla with a geekey looking lawyer to a big green attractive powerful lawyer (kinda basic usual girl character trope teens used to watch in the 2000s) and they might peek more and more to see if she is there, and start liking what thhey do with that other character etc... I mean I did the same and started watching all the important movies knowing that Infinity Wars was coming and now I feel like Disney's puppy. Anyway, it's the beggining of a new phase with new heroes, a new story and a bigger fanbase for Disney but I feel like the fans are going to be less engaged and are going to watch just to see well written stories get destoyed while their main character doesn't have anything to do with their own serie like Wanda.

[@MrWilson812]

"... like when incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me" she said after spending the episode incompetently explaining Hulk's area of expertise to him. You know, after seeing how little she listens, maybe those "incompetent men" are legitimately just trying to help her out.

[@marknung751]

10/10 comment

[@misternobody3481]

If I had faith in the writers, I would say they were setting up a character flaw to address later, but since she is practically perfect, they probably see it as justified.

[@sergeantkozi]

They usually are

[@qaztim11]

@@misternobody3481 if the writers actually had talent her attitude as a know it all would be a great starting point for a character arc, but since this is post-endgame, she is going to be a perfect Mary sue and will probably single handedly save the Hulk and other established superheroes in the finale against a world ending threat while complaining that she is having to do superhero work instead of the courtroom case she is working on.

[@josephatherley]

I also wonder how she responds to the incompetent women who explain her job to her.

[@Scottyno101]

Like a great man once said "anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.”

[@juancerrato1659]

Isn´t that fucking Knuckles the echidna? lol

[@Scottyno101]

@@juancerrato1659 yup. He isn't wrong.

[@PlahaKumar]

Knuckles of all characters understood this.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

When a fucking *kids show* understands equality better than most *adults*

[@dustin202]

@@PlahaKumarand in that show he has admitted himself to be dumber than usual.

[@WwZa7]

I think her character would work, if the show would acknowledge it's toxic behavior. Let her be narcissistic, acting like she's the victim of everything, abuse her power, until she quickly really looses the control over her emotions, goes wild, and has to face consequences of her actions, that she has to grow above. Stubborn at first, the more she fails, the more she can get better. And than when she does, grows up to be healthy empathetic hero.

[@Reuel_Media]

agreed, unfortunately current day marvel don’t plan stories as well thought through and as planned as that

[@jillianc7485]

sadly, i can already tell you that there’s no way that’s gonna happen! im convinced that the ONLY reason they labeled this show as a “comedy” is to avoid writing a complex moral issue, like the one you exemplified, for the main character. rather, they would prefer to write “ha ha female smarter and better than male ! female twerk in her office with megan tha stallion” 🥴

[@WwZa7]

​@@jillianc7485 I guess no one told them that a good comedy also has character development. That comedy by default has the main character being comedic too.

[@jillianc7485]

@@WwZa7 hey look man you’re preaching to the choir lol they messed up big time. i haven’t seen a solidly written female character in a looong time- not even from female writers ! the whole industry is a joke at this point

[@WwZa7]

@@jillianc7485 A man can wish you know. Problem lies not in writers but in who picks these writers and pressures them to fit some stupid agenda. That's why modern mainstream media suck.

[@UnifiedEntity]

"Decades worth of trauma" For those who dont know this because the MCU didnt even bother with reminding anyone of his backstory.....Bruce was abused as a child by his father. Had to watch his mother, be abused by his father. And aside from being attacked by the military and on the run in various countries only to be hunted down by Shield....hes ...had to deal with alot.

[@littlebunse5]

Let me shed a tear for big green jesus. She hulk shouldnt have hit him when she hit him she hit all of us guys with glasses and no bitches, amirite fellas?

[@renatafnedab3003]

I think this is because marvel doesn’t have full control of The Hulk so they don’t care about him amd they just throw him under the bus , around the bus, through the mud , amd then tell him to be in someone else’s storyline. It’s sad but the other people are not going to ever let him go amd therefore no one can do productive things with his origins or the story. Thank you btw for letting me know the origins of The character 👍🏽💯

[@forgetit9421]

Don't forget watching his mom getting murdered right before his eyes and getting multiple personality disorder from that (which would be actually interesting to see being worked on) Basically his entire life has no happiness whatsoever, and if it he gets it, it's taken away from him in the most violent ways possible. But of course mansplaining is worse

[@renatafnedab3003]

@@forgetit9421 I’m soo glad that you all are explaining this stuff to me. I’m a creative person and I will take the information amd create my own version of The Hulk. The people that own him are not going to ever let him go so that someone can make him a better character.🤦🏽‍♀️💯

[@sianais]

Not to mention the guy in charge of the military who dedicated his existence to hunting him down is the father of the woman he loved, Betty. Also that after Betty, the other woman he loved in the universe was Black Widow, who you know... died. If they actually gave two shits about Bruce they'd use the weight of all those losses to fuel his desperation into saving his dying cousin's life (like in the comic). But, women power and all that bs can't have Bruce save his last living family member. She has to save him via ~bullshittery~ Being saved is a weakness after all. They turned two of my favorite characters into a neutered dog and a bitch. I'm honestly done.

[@thornwall6303]

"I do it infinitely more than you" she said, clearly starting to lose her temper

[@guilhemgalceranrial4085]

To prove it and intantly return to human 🙃

[@brentbartley6838]

Well her middle/upper middle class upbringing, attending UCLA, passing the state bar and becoming a public defender as a woman was a much more traumatic experience than Bruce's life where he had an abusive possibly psychotic father (assuming the same pre-established lore), his mother dying at his father's hands. Possibly growing up in the foster system. Becoming the Hulk causing collateral damage and possible harm to innocents. Living on the run for years. All the trials and tribulations as an Avenger, losing friends and comrades etc etc. Yeah, Jen had a much harder life. That's why she's better....🙄

[@t.m.7330]

The most intriguing part about Jen's condescension towards Bruce in the scene where she explains her goddess-level anger management skills is how unintentionally revealing it is regarding the writers' attitude towards men. It would be one thing if Jen had complained about cat calling and 'mansplaining' to some sexist middle-management type. That would make the condescension at least more understandable, if still heavy-headed. But the fact that she said it to Bruce, who has faced far grander difficulties and far greater injustices than her, exposes the writers' view that there's no difference between Bruce and some sexist middle-management type as far as the writers of the show are concerned. Individual struggles, choices, and experiences mean nothing. Regardless of what Bruce has done or gone through, regardless of how much he has grown, he will never be good enough. He deserves to be lectured at, corrected, and put in his place simply because he is a man.

[@torikazuki8701]

What is terrifying is how deeply these things have sunk into real life. When I married my Wife in 2008, I had already been suffering Chronic Pain for 15 years due to an unknown cause (eventually discovered in 2013- Inoperable Spinal Damage.) She repeatedly insisted she could handle it. I said it could get worse. That didn't matter. She 'loved me'. Because of the neurological damage, 'Bedroom Time' was incredibly difficult for me. Like a Car with a Broken Transmission, rev that engine all you want, the car is NOT moving. But still, I DID love her, so I pushed myself to the edge of a nervous breakdown trying to meet her needs. I couldn't even get close, and in 2014, she had decided she'd had enough of my 'Selfishness and Self-Centeredness.' and decided that nothing was better than not enough, so ended all intimacy between us. Not only that, but instead of just admitting she can't (or won't) deal with having a disabled Husband, she has created a narrative where I am now a 'Selfish, Betraying, Gold-Digging, Sexist, Racist, Transphobe, Nazi.' (Also admitting I have not changed since we married.) I am now almost totally disabled and have needed to be in an assisted living facility for years, but she just recently berated me for not 'Providing for her', despite the fact she is in the top 7% of US Wage Earners and has never needed any money I could bring to the table. The nightmare my life has been for so long is just an irritating annoyance to her. She is finally divorcing me, and I live in daily anxiety about how I am going to survive when I am finally kicked to the curb.

[@varsedo]

@@torikazuki8701damn, man. I’m sorry to hear that. I just woke up from a nap so I don’t have much words but if you throw a reply, I’ll get back with something more meaningful

[@MikeyJBlakeJR]

​@@torikazuki8701 I know it's been 5 months, but I hope things are going at least a little okay right now. She is just one person, and besides her, there are countless other humans on this earth who can empathize with your pain. I haven't endured your struggles, so I won't pretend to understand your pain, but for what it's worth, you have my prayers and greatest well-wishes.

[@torikazuki8701]

@@MikeyJBlakeJR @varsedo Thank you both. I am very grateful for the kind words. Things have not gotten any better, however. I've just been served with the financial settlement and it is... not good. I've been looking for a lawyer that understands what it's like being disabled and divorced and I have not found anyone within hundreds of miles. I don't have much time left before I have to make a decision. I just hope that I can find the right lawyer before that time runs out.

[@kingsugoyt]

I just wanted to mention this: Jen literally contradicts herself in the first episode. She says she gets catcalled and shit, but she's INFINITELY better at handling her anger than Bruce is. But if that's the case, why is her first instinct when a couple of guys catcall her is to hulk out? Like.... Honey, you not making a lot of sense here.

[@Dargonhuman]

She couldn't even control her anger _while_ womansplaining how she's better at controlling her anger to the person trying to help her with her anger issues.

[@ruquang89]

@@Dargonhuman i just made this exact commenr "im an expert at controlling my anger" she says while losing her temper

[@eatoke]

i think it shows her character is flawed

[@miguelangelromeroramos9226]

@@eatoke if that’s the point, we should see contradictions further on in the story and a massive change of character. But that doesn’t happen and it just supports that She-Hulk has it worse than everybody.

[@dreamdesk7258]

@@miguelangelromeroramos9226 tbf we don’t know if that doesn’t happen considering it’s not over but I agree

[@MsClonetrooper]

The thing that made She Hulk a likeable character was how her story differentiated from the Hulk. Bruce viewed the Hulk as a curse, while Jen views She Hulk as a gift. Jen was a meek and timid woman, with no confidence in herself, not in her job and especially not in her social life. Becoming She Hulk changed all that as suddenly she was brimming with confidence. She was smart, sassy and was not ashamed with how good she looked. She never complained about the attention men gave her, that only started happening in recent comics. She loved the attention and would often seek it out. It made her a better lawyer and better person cause she wasn't afraid to put herself out there. But she was also a compassionate person and would always do her best to use her skills as a lawyer to help people and ensure everyone gets a fair trial. Even villains. Not only that, she deeply loved her cousin Bruce. She knew what he went through and it hurts her to know that she couldn't do anything to save him from the trauma hes endured. Thats what made She Hulk a good character. She wasn't meant to be a mouthpiece for Feminist writers to put down men. She was meant to be an inspiration for young women to be confident in themselves and not be afraid to put themselves out there in the world.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Damn, a character like that, properly realised, would have been well in place in the mainline films, never mind relegated to an irrelevant TV slot. But we didn’t get that character, and the one we did get doesn’t even deserve the irrelevant TV slot.

[@MsClonetrooper]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Exactly and one more key difference is that her strength doesn't increase with rage. If Jen wants to get stronger, she has to work, exercise and build her strength through hard work in order to fight on the level of stronger villains. She had a full on Rocky training montage in order for her to fight against the Champion of the Universe in a boxing match and only managed to win by using her brains to get him to not use the Power Stone in the fight. There could've been a whole story line where Jen could've used her strength and her mind to outwit a dangerous villain in order to get him/her to stand trial. Showing her heroes journey of working hard and being confident to achieve her dreams.

[@stephenmeinhold5452]

well put, all you have said about the comics makes a charicter belivable and realatable what they have done is a lazy hack job that will only appele to people with an unrealistic view of men and women.

[@furionmax7824]

That explains the attitude in every version I see her in. Like when she's on screen in cartoons she's exerting "alpha female" energy. Like you see her and go "hot damn" she's hot. Confident, strong. And she damn well knows it.

[@dreamsicle3113]

I think I need a character like Jen in my life right now. I've been feeling pretty weak and could use some inspo. Could you recommend some good comics/issues to get into She-Hulk proper and not the stuff that waters her down?

[@bethr4695]

As a woman and fan of the MCU since Iron Man, I've never had a problem relating to or rooting for male heroes. They were likable, sympathetic, well-written, and had wonderful stories to get caught up in. I enjoy female superheroes too, but only if they are likable, sympathetic, well-written, and have interesting stories to tell. I have no idea why writers these days think women only want to see women portrayed as better at everything with no need for growth (Captain Marvel, Rey, etc.). I don't care if a character is male or female, I want to watch them struggle and fail and try again and eventually overcome. I want to go on a journey with them and see them become a stronger person on the other end. A character who never has to learn anything is a boring, flat character that an audience will never bond with. Definitely passing on She-Hulk.

[@eziop5539]

Agreed. No one ever seems to talk about it, but Peppermint (Jennifer Garner) was a good representation of a strong female character, without all the usual bullshit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5alfoSmr9R4jrM Or, Interceptor (Elsa Pataky) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYK2oHx_aaedZ9E

[@marctemura2017]

Look if don't like the show no problem don't watch it.

[@davyboy9397]

For example Eleven from Stranger Things. She has a very interesting arch that is born out of hardship and difficult decisions

[@renatafnedab3003]

I’m a woman (Naturally Born Female) and I definitely agree with you on this 💯💯💯

[@notyetawomen5257]

As some author (GRRM?) wisely said "Make your character suffer".

[@Embrace-The-Dork-Side]

"I'm not straight, so I've never had much use for women", has got to be one of the most based things I've ever heard on KZbin. You just got a new subscriber.

[@comguzzler]

I instantly liked the video when I heard that

[@drengillespie]

I love it, most of my coworkers and friends think I am asexual.

[@CLANtheSPURSfan]

I feel like The Boys handled real gender and exploitative issues without coming across as patronizing to it's audience. It all comes down to writing and understanding.

[@Snoebal]

Yeah, because The Boys uses show don’t tell by actually showing the issues that the women face instead of just standing on a soapbox to tell you, which makes you feel more empathetic instead of just annoyed.

[@afroshinobimikeemikee2208]

So you're telling me that all the female heroes coming together to stomp stormfront didn't seem forced to you?

[@effortless4588]

@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 nah I liked it

[@pedrolotto1355]

@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 The Boys is a satire, that moment was a satire moment

[@afroshinobimikeemikee2208]

@@pedrolotto1355 what made this one satire and the other not so

[@ari1758]

I’ve had enough of these “strong female characters.” We need strong characters who just so happen to be female. There’s a difference, and I feel it shows here. This show makes such a big deal out of She hulk being a woman and her experiences with being a woman, but at the same time it downplays on the absolute horrific experiences Bruce had to go through. Why bring him down so Jen can look strong and powerful and badass? It makes no sense.

[@yukinagato6761]

Hulk not only brought back half of humanity but half of life in the known universe. Before anyone thinks that was no big deal. n o one considers how many folks died of natural illnesses and even suicides ( lost of a loved one can do that ya know) folks come back from the snap to find out their loved ones died within that 5 year gap. LIVES WHERE AFFECTED. But at the Center The Hulk brought them back and his cousin is obviously a self entitled woman who doesn't think of anyone but herself I know that she is in the comics a char brought into teh Avengers later on. If i was running that group i would pass on her she is not worthy of such a role. I rather have Natasha's Sister join .

[@FuckGuidelines]

100 percent. Like fuck this STRONG female character bullshit. So many games, shows and movies do it well, but it's this triple a and top dog producers don't get the memo, being a strong female isn't putting down your gender counterpart. It's just being strong. Like bro, If I saw a woman beat the living shit out of a bear, I'd drop to my knees and suck her dick bro

[@KuroiRenge]

It's also a complete misunderstanding of strong. Strength is built through endurance of hardship, whether it's self-imposed by, say, weightlifting or exercise, or external, physically, mentally, or emotionally. What they think is strength is imperviousness. Which does not require something to be strong.

[@geoffreydi5377]

Moe shop

[@jillianc7485]

seriously !! i just made another comment about the fact that we’re all *so* tired of the trope that insinuates “women can only be strong if they’re snarky, quick witted, shy away from femininity, and hate men.” like ? how many times are we gonna see that SAME character???

[@trichad4654]

“Incompetent men explaining my own area of expertise to me” she says as she hulksplains to the literal Hulk

[@guessmyname1246]

Hulksplains

[@porkydorky]

@@guessmyname1246 Hulkspine

[@KJab21512]

@@porkydorky No.

[@porkydorky]

@@KJab21512 :(

[@rro660]

@@guessmyname1246 Hulk is plane

[@techsoly]

I feel like a "The Office" vibes would've suited She-hulk a lot more. Explain that a film crew is documenting her ability of being able to become the hulk whilst maintaining a professional job such as a lawyer to help bridge how these people with powers don't have to be in this superhero avenger level position to make a change in the world no matter how small. She can 4th wall break during the interview segments and it allows the audience to get that acknowledgement that she's talking to the film crew/us.

[@deldarma4509]

The comics I read of She Hulk were just light comedy lawyer drama. And if was a really fun read! Think Ally McBeal helping out superheroes on their legal trouble. I dont get why they didnt do this. There is a lot of material there and you could showcase many subpar Heroes and villains that way, whole showcasing some Real life conséquences of super héro life. Potential for comedy, absurdism and drama all at once! And I understood SheHulk as a woman who just felt more confident and happy as a 7ft tall green bodybuilder instead of a cause but mousy brunette. And honesltly there is a good character arc right there!

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

That also sounds awful, however idk how anything could be worse than what’s happening right now.

[@janmiranda528]

@@shortstarwarsessays1842 That idea, or better yet, any idea can work as long as they're not woke. I can see some benefits of how they tease new shit but I cringed the entire time they were delivering it.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@@janmiranda528 I don’t care about something being “woke” the series was so unfunny and badly written, I don’t like the term “woke” because it’s so vague and nobody ever gives it the same definition because it’s a non descriptive word used for anything people don’t like. As long as something isn’t so offensively bad and unfunny it makes me look away from the screen with pain it’s already become better than She Hulk. That ending was so bad it about made me kill my whole family to spare them the pain of being tortured with lazy gross writing.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

​​​@@deldarma4509 You've evidently read the Dan Slott run and I agree that those are a fun read. That's what I was hoping the show would be. The writers _claim_ that's what they adapted from but in the process they got rid everything good about those comics. As you mention if they wanted to give her inner conflict they could have explored the dichotomy between her relatively plain human form and her gorgeous superhero Hulk form.

[@doritosdaman]

one thing I loved about the hulk was that with every iteration, they made us feel something for Bruce. I always felt bad for him. He never asked for all that power and its destroying his life from the inside out. Then, we get she-hulk and she's just like "nah I'm good, bro. Im not you Bruce, I'm better!" How can we like her when she gave us nothing to like! How can we feel anything for her at all?

[@Nutterbutter123]

Agreed. The “one thing” I like about mcu hulk. They just need to quit defiling him, and bring back savage and eventually world breaker hulk.

[@superpaytonmars8852]

That's why I like the 90s animated She-Hulk. She was freaking awesome and played off of her cousin really well.

[@istrumguitars]

I know what you mean. Nowadays, when I watch any new Marvel release, I feel absolutely nothing. It’s nihilistic serial storytelling with no actual story behind it.

[@littlebunse5]

Yeah we all know Hulk was the peak of writing in the mcu amirite fellas. When he showed up as smart Hulk without any warning or seemingly any struggle to make himself that way that really made me FEEL things. Dumbass loser lmao they went out of their way to show the Hulk was significantly stronger than She Hulk was. She's literally only better at emotional control but seeing a woman with confidence ig rattled you to the point where you projected a weird amount of girl power into her. I'm sure if fucking she Hulk were more timid and traditionally feminine THEN the writing on the hulks would be much better, you geniuses cracked the code!

[@superpaytonmars8852]

@@littlebunse5 Do me a favor, go back and watch the 90s hulk cartoon. That's the version of She-Hulk we should have gotten.

[@anazamora7444]

As a woman. A feminist. As a old timey comic book fan who wanted to give this show a chance. I agree. With everything.

[@matt3r16]

W

[@ProtocolAbyss]

Finally a feminist with an actual smart brain, I thought those went extinct.

[@kyarumomochi5146]

Sorry but seeing a "feminist" at this age will never be justifiable for me lmao As a woman, feminism atleast on todays sense makes me sick

[@huntsman9316]

@@kyarumomochi5146 ​ feminism itself is “men and women should be equal.” That’s it. The definition has not changed. If you believe that, and fight for that, you are a feminist. All that extra “hate all men,” is not a part of it. So, don’t dislike a completely normal and good movement because people who claim to support it are dumb; that just makes you ignorant (I mean, unless you don’t agree with men and woman should be equal)

[@jhinzoIV]

be careful, some might accuse you of being a "pick me" for actually using your head.

[@Kronosfobi]

Imagine Bruce's dissapointment. Finally there is someone else that can truly understand him, someone that he can actually help and guide through the hardships he lost so much to get over. Then five minutes later, She is like: *''LOL NO''*

[@MaeArt725]

Hulk just deserves better at this point.

[@carlosrivas1629]

Bruce reporting in any context, self-infantilization, entitlement and level of narcissism will make no one feel comfortable, she id going to need some of constant therapy which she series have shown she is working with others.

[@littlebunse5]

yes it is random cousin womans job to make man better at grieving, not his actual superhero allies that were there through the entire ordeal alongside him and the said dying friends. Jesus christ this comment section is full of self reports. This attitude is why intelligent women will always cringe at you - why do you assume it is their job to guide men through their emotional ordeals?

[@Kronosfobi]

@@littlebunse5 That is NOT what we meant at all. Bruce is already through with that shit. He cured himself long before She-Hulk became a thing. Its nice to have someone who truly understands you and guide you through hardships in life. Sometimes this person is your parent, sometimes it can be your friend, your teacher or lover. Banner could have been a mentor to She-hulk, he has been through the worst of Hulk. He could've understand her better, help her overcome the problems of the green angry fella but NOPE. Why would we have an interesting arc when she can easly be best at everything?

[@hearts4mikey]

thats not her job.

[@yumiigrape]

Hey, thank you for making this video. I am a man and only 16, but your criticism of this show put into perspective my own life. How trivial my own problems are, and that I need to grow as a person. Thank once again for making this great video.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Very kind of you to say so, and I’m happy you took something away from it! That automatically makes you so much better and more mature than the writers of this awful show. It’s not that we don’t have our problems, it’s how we deal with them that counts.

[@theNimboo]

Ignore the feminist propaganda my young bro

[@RanMouri82]

Good on you for being mature! I've already despaired that the showrunners who are at least twice your age can do the same.

[@bkg5494]

When she-hulk started explaining how much better at controlling her emotions she is than Bruce and physically outperformed him (at every step, somehow), I thought “great! they’re gonna subvert expectations and make her seem like a Mary-Sue, only for her to realize how overconfident she is and how much she does need Bruce’s expertise to navigate her new powers.” A very human experience to realize that you don’t have as much control as you thought. I mean, she almost killed those dudes outside of the bar for talking to her before Bruce found her. Nope. Mary-Sue. how am I supposed to identify with and root for a character that doesn’t have any flaws?

[@PlahaKumar]

That's the way these kinds of female characters are written unfortunately. By someone who can't write for crap.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@@PlahaKumar until I saw this show I thought Wonder Woman 2 was bad now I’m thinking maybe not so much..

[@quinnlewis1753]

you... you literally described the show. That's the show. You're describing the show.

[@planescaped]

I always found she-hulk to be a painfully derivative and uninteresting character in the comics, glad to see they've decided to also make her insufferable.

[@PronounceGaming]

Not that I agree with the scene existing in the first place, but off the top of my head Jennifer could've cited the fact that she's had to defend murderers, rapists, and pedophiles despite how angry and disgusted she felt towards them, which would've been a far better example of her alleged control over her temper than what was written. The only conclusion I can reach is that the writer of the show was never cat-called in her life, hates men, and is using this show to get payback.

[@sidnusmagnus3144]

May be she didn't care if she get paid... A true heroine.

[@jillianc7485]

they would’ve never included that though because then it would insinuate that she’s not a great person and has flaws… and GOD FORBID they show a female character with actual, real life flaws !!! 🙄

[@allastairvontoussaint5176]

Yeah, that would've brought up her issues as a person and a lawyer, and not as a female, like the show did

[@seenitalready]

You know it’s bad when a random comment on youtube makes better plot points than all of the marvel writers in the same room for MONTHS combined

[@PronounceGaming]

@@jillianc7485 But sometimes lawyers don't have a choice in the matter on who they defend in court; showcasing flaws doesn't always require that the person is immoral, they could've just used the material from the original comics (human form-Jennifer was very meek, shy, and lacked confidence).

[@Minetic]

Ok let’s compare Bruce’s trauma to his cousin’s “trauma”. Bruce- was constantly on the run being chased by the government. He could no longer live a normal life and had to constantly look behind his back. Had to fight another super creature like him due to his blood being used which caused even more damage. When he did transform sometimes people were hurt and he had to live with that grief. He was fighting another personality within him that often times wanted to keep Banner hidden and vice versa. And was humble by a mad Titan that caused him great fear. Jen - gets cat called and works with misogynistic men. Oh yeah she has it worse than Bruce

[@ヲンドロフランドル]

You forgot about waking up from 2 year “coma” bc of Hulk, on another planet. He didn’t traveled other planets like some of his work friends. It’s shocking

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

The worst part is how these kinds of shows portray men as cartoonishly awful to try and justify it. I know enough girls to know that more often than not the guy in that situation would be the one stroking her ego while the woman would be trying to tear her down. Sure he's doing it to get in her pants which is it's own can of worms, but always amazes me how male characters in "female" shows always have to either be a villain or a subservient male apologist. I mean the antagonist of this episode is literally the Hulk, what the fuck are they doing.

[@xduwu4257]

Smth that also bothers me about this is Bruce has a complex backstory and trauma. Her trauma is just...something every woman in the world goes through??? This show feels like it's trying to be feminist and empowering but it's low-key so sexist 😭 like just perpetuating the idea women 'play' the victim, they're one dimensional and 'boring'. And the twerking scene like come on...

[@mhrn.1309]

Are we talking about trauma or anger? Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets, not the more traumatized he is. I'd get mad too if I was constantly around misogyny and being catcalled all day. Also, ''her trauma is just something every woman in the world goes through''? That's a good way to be blunt about it. The canonical MCU hulk was from 2003, so his arc has had nearly 20 years of development. Compared to She-Hulk, who literally just got her series, they only have her comics to go with.

[@Eugene_Black]

@@mhrn.1309 They obviously didn't crack one open

[@Cowgutz]

This is why I love the queens gambit on Netflix. The main character is a woman, she is rude, kind, headstrong, traumatized, scared, sad, powerful, and downright a villain sometimes. She’s REAL. She doesn’t use her femininity against men on purpose

[@theNimboo]

Uh bro that's actually another example of feminist bullshit propaganda. They were trying to do a whole "oh look women are just as smart as men thing" and then basically told the exact story of Bobby Fischer as if he were a girl. That movie was a complete insult to men, and especially Bobby Fischer. Because no female chess player has ever accomplished what she supposedly did in Queen's Gambit, yet she's still doing the whole "hah you underestimated me because I'm a woman!" Given the fact that a woman has never actually done what she did and it was really Bobby Fischer, yep, just more feminist propaganda.

[@SinkingPoint]

@@theNimboo humanity has never triumphed over aliens either. It's called fiction. She's a good character and the show is excellent. Sure, a show with a competent female lead in an arena dominated by men is feminist in a way, and you can hate on it for that if you want. But it's much more fun to just yourself enjoy what really is a work of art.

[@augustina3657]

@@theNimboo I'm not sure if you know this but women are definitely capable of beating a majority of men in a chosen field of interest. You have people like Marilyn Vos Savant who is like 4th highest IQ ever or something.

[@augustina3657]

@@theNimboo Also statistically women and men are on par intellectually just men have more variation. Men are both smarter and dumber than women if you look at the spread. Men are more likely to suffer from things like addiction, schizophrenia, asperger's, down syndrome, general autism and other developmental disorders that lower their IQ but are also more likely to have mutations that raise their average IQ to be on par with women's. Also also if we look at it from a practical standpoint currently women are graduating from universities and colleges at a higher frequency than men so there is that if we want to compare things like general well-roundedness because women do exceed men in many social skills as well. Trust me, I hate woke feminism probably as much as you do but a woman being as smart or smarter than a man doesn't automatically equate it to "feminist bullshit propaganda". It's really about the character and how it's presented. Their skills need to be plausible and it remains plausible for some women to be smarter than some men. Maybe even a lot of men depending on who they are. Edit: yep I'm going to fix that comma placement or it's going to bug me.

[@augustina3657]

@@theNimboo So the story isn't based totally in historical fact but it never claimed to be and it's not actually impossible for such a thing to happen. I personally don't count it as propaganda because like I said men and women are often on par intellectually. Propaganda is when they portray women as flawless, superior in every single way, and instantly good at anything they try. This is not the case in Queen's Gambit.

[@TarossBlackburn]

Bruce's entire motivation for trying to help her comes in one line that's glossed over way too quickly. When he warns her that "Once you're a big green monster it's hard to come back from that"... or something similar. He is actively wanting to prevent her from going down the same path of being hunted down by the army for decades. And for all that effort we get... this.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

It would actually have some humour to it if she by the end of the show got hunted by the army.

[@nemnymeria7873]

@@jimsteinmanfan80 eh from the trailer I guess no. More like working with the goverment instead.

[@sparking023]

point being, when she first transformed in the comics she had her own "rampage" and all, so it really makes absolutely no sense that she would control her transformation right out of the bat. Except, of course, for that fact that she's a woman and as such all she needs is a confidence boost because she's already grat to begin with...

[@candycorn4912]

It's literally only 1 episode out bro

[@candycorn4912]

@@sparking023 she literally almost smashed 3 duded

[@Savage_D_777]

Your almost hour long analysis is more entertaining than any scene in she hulk. Subscribed.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Glad to hear it, welcome aboard!

[@chakkritchroenlai]

Agreed

[@dryfox11]

@@TheLittlePlatoon That’s not much of a compliment, but your vids are actually good!

[@53pichu]

🧢

[@johntron3849]

@@dryfox11 lol . It’s like saying he’s better then trash lol . Wow gee thanks .

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

She Hulk appears to have been written by single middle aged suburban women, who polish off a box of Chardonnay at their book club, for single middle aged suburban women, who polish off a box of Chardonnay at their book club.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Funnily enough, I say almost *exactly* the same thing in this video!

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

@@TheLittlePlatoon I look forward to the video when it drops. One interesting takeaway however, is that it certainly gives significant insight into the thought process of those who created it, and those who find it enjoyable. The worldview these people have seems so negative (particularly towards men,) egotistical, not particularly realistic, and frankly not particularly empowering. It just seems to assume the worst from every interaction. They remind me of some of the female friends I had in university, who would loudly complain all week about how terrible men are, and then cry about how they couldn't find a nice date. Gee, I wonder why?

[@Adahop]

As a 30-something suburban woman married to another 30-something suburban woman, I can tell you we turned it off after 10 minutes because of the pure, distilled cringe.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

@@Adahop I do not blame you. It is a dumpster fire of a show. I'm sure you are familiar with the type of individual I am referencing.

[@bottomfeeder7924]

This got a laugh out of me, cheers

[@fuzzwobble]

5:14 My blood boiled just seeing that video clip soundless. For those who don't know, that is Amy Schumer taunting Steve-O about his close friend Ryan Dunn dying, saying she knew he wished he died instead, and telling him everybody felt the same way. From my understanding, Ryan Dunn was his best friend Steve-O had something like survivor's guilt plaguing him, and losing Ryan was something that was motivating him to be worthy of being still alive after all that had happened. It was a touchy subject as, frankly, people headbutt a bullet over a lot less than what Steve-O was going through. The camera looked right at Steve-O after she said her bit to him, and you could see him dying inside. It was heartbreaking, and half the audience laughed without even understanding what was happening, adding to the trauma. After some time, Steve-O came out and put the fires out with the idea that 'she was trying to be funny, it's okay, I'm okay, let's let it go', being an absolute legend. Him publicly requesting people forgive her is probably the only reason she has a career worth anything anymore. Amy Schumer isn't just 'unfunny'. She's an absolute piece of trash. All her feminist politics are propaganda as well, and anybody who is in the know about that is aware she knows it too. She's hurting people and lying to further her career day-by-day. She and Seth Rogan are just a net loss to the world.

[@jerome1lm]

Controling one's anger is one of the most basic skills that every normally adjusted adult has to master. People who can't do that are usually the one's that we fill our prisons with. It's not exactly an impressive ability.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

It seems to impress a lot of feminists watching this show. Her controlling her emotions to the point that she might not have killed any of the guys asking her how she was doing even if Bruce hadn't stopped her is apparently stunning and brave. It would have been funny, in a weird way, if the show was about her male attorney colleague prosecuting her for assault/manslaughter.

[@HateshWarkio]

It very much is if you're ignorant and misandrist thinking that all men just anger machines letting it all out at all times If we did so, this world would be already in apocalypse stage for a long long time

[@MrChickennugget360]

that and the ironic assertion that men don't know how to control their anger. Men who don't control their anger tend to end up in prison.

[@eldenlean5221]

Its unintentionally a horrible thing to say to Bruce Banner, specifically. Actually really bad. The reason why he even developed anger issues was through having an abusive father who would go on rampages and beat both bruce and his mother. For this lady, who would know about Bruce's dad, to say that its just...yikes. I know the continuity with MCU Bruce Banner is pretty much non existent and he quite literally has no past. But this is still the same character(allegedly).

[@hopelesslyoptimistic8231]

Even worse for Bruce because if he gets angry he could destroy the planet while the worst thing that can happen to Jennifer is her going home and eating a tub of ice cream.

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

This video is fantastic. Excellent stuff

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I think I might print this and stick it on my wall. Sincerest thanks!

[@MoyosoreOgunbiyi]

Hat tip to both of you. Your sardonic styles of modern critiques have constantly helped me to calibrate my tastes for what I see and should avoid of modern media mediocrity. Salute. 👋🥃

[@pappasays3932]

Came to this video after Drinker mentioned it on his Open Bar 🍻

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

@@pappasays3932 I watch almost all of his streams - typically this was the one I missed!

[@liquidjackson7172]

Yes!! Yes!!!

[@gatex33d74]

Imagine a show where a man (through random means) obtains the power of a woman and proceeds to not only insult her but also tell her that her life long trauma of not being able to control her own body because of an accident is just "silly" and nothing compared to what he has been through (his sandwich fell to the ground) Then he not only does what she does but way better! It surely would get hold to the same standards as this show and would definitely be aired!

[@FuckGuidelines]

Bro, tbh working like 5 to 10 minutes making your master sandwich and your hungry asf, and you drop it, I'm pretty sure that counts as severe trauma. Lol

[@slimshell2448]

Sounds like some petty guy too me and everyone else with a sound brain

[@KuroiRenge]

@@slimshell2448 I think that's the point.

[@slimshell2448]

@@KuroiRenge I also think that's the point, I'm not being sarcastic. Even if it sounds like it. I'm just making saying she's a b*tch

[@DexDexter0]

There are people doing this IRL.

[@Albedo-s2i]

You were funnier in those 48 minutes than whole she Hulk series will ever be. After cringe I felt, watching she Hulk, i had to watch old good Hulk smashing and destroying.

[@stanleysmooth]

"I'm not straight so I've never had much use for women" caught me so off-guard lmao

[@deathstalker8851]

yeah hes one of the poeple of the lgbtq i respect

[@azuln.3760]

@@deathstalker8851 do you, not usually respect them?

[@facefucker7923]

@@deathstalker8851 bro what 😂

[@skullcat1378]

@@deathstalker8851 bro what?

[@quackkith]

@@deathstalker8851 ayo…

[@Seifer1228]

It would have been smart to invert her story of anger. Since they say she’s way more angry all the time because she’s a woman, this could have been an opportunity for Jen to be stuck in hulk form and unable to return to normal due to her uncontrollable subconscious anger, she just has enough control to stay consciously aware. If they really want to go that route with womens scorn being her fuel than they could have worked around that way better. But they did nothing.

[@Mythowars]

Yea they just said women are angrier and that’s that. Honestly as a guy when I hear that I just care about the subject of women less and that hurts their sex in my eyes.

[@J6-22]

@@Mythowars Yes, I feel the same and it makes me love men even more

[@silhouettefades]

I guess they're saying men can handle anger better XD

[@Minetic]

Won’t fly because that’s too good of an idea

[@wonderlust2177]

@@Mythowars too is blocked l xs scan lol

[@generalseal6948]

she-hulk: says she controls her anger infinitely more than hulk she-hulk: gets angry and raises her voice while saying that

[@Piecesoftheshadow]

I mean that was the point. It was meant to be funny and show she actually doesn’t control it infinitely better than him. It’s all still super stupid none the less.

[@VodkaChan_]

as a woman i cannot watch it at all it’s super cringe

[@pushpopLoC909]

I don' t think most of the commenters here get the point of the ironic jokes they make. The majority of complaints about progressiveness aren't just for sake of adding them to please the audience, it's using both sides of that spectrum of folks that are either super , terroists-like, against it or extremely too for it to where it just hurts any right cause. I think this is looking TOO deep into things that don't need to be put under a microscope and at the same time also looking at other things with a super careless and surface judgment. The inconsistent breakdown of all these points he made are simply just made to be a sinic for his own sake. I get it, I can be like that at times but I can take the time and reflect on my own judgement of irrelevant things in my life like a show that just isn't for me. I don't make an entire essay to try and fish for a party of folks to agree with me. I just have my own opinions and move on about my day. This took him days, maybe weeks, to make and edit and even a day alone is already too much to be sinical about a show you just don't enjoy and still continue to watch. It'd be like me complaining about the horribly overrated show called Game of Thrones and then completely taking the time to make a whole essay on why I don't like it just to have a party of other morons that jump on my dick about how much I hate Game of Thrones. I don't like the show and never did because it was boring and lazy with the only real reason I kept watching was that it had amazing fight scenes and gore for my liking. Other than that, the characters were OK but had wasted potential. That said, I don't care enough to make a video or even write any longer than two sentences on why I don't like a show or film. I love she-hulk cause it's kind of really making a joke of those that literally think it's cheesy or contradictory because that's the target they hit with the jokes the characters make. lol. If you can't see it then you're part of that joke. Imagine it like this... how much time would it take to convince and make a crazy person acknowledge they're crazy and know they're crazy with self awareness?

[@LuvMox]

@@Piecesoftheshadow but it wasn’t funny in any way, shape, or form. The writing is boring and lazy

[@VodkaChan_]

@@pushpopLoC909 your essay about a comment with only 4 response typed back seems a little contradicting. but i get it. this is normal feedback having a open opinion is natural to express it however you may. - it can be a show, game, book and food etc. I’m a comedy girl myself although i don’t think they added the comedy yet in she hulk (again imo) and i only discourage the show she hulk and phase 4 itself for it’s incredible let down of everyone’s character development. it lacks its marvel feeling of a good story good character! i can get into detail about it but i agree it won’t take me anywhere. it did back when a group of people believed marvel was sexiest for not staring women leads now look at it ! it’s a whole multi diverse cinamatic - just another escample.. all im saying is opinion/feedback is necessary so the majority is heard and hopefully change can be conducted.

[@jakesponberg2363]

I really hate, that we had a moment with Bruce talking about Tony and himself making the bar together on the beach, it was touching and I don't even like either of these characters, but they've been around for a long time and undeniably made an impact on everyone else. We get that touching moment, only for the bar to be destroyed in Jen's tantrum and it meant nothing anyway. Bruce isn't upset, Jen isn't sorry and my feelings were misplaced, instead I should've remained vapid, cynical and most importantly self centred. Especially because I'm a man.

[@FratterKnox]

The fact that they changed the very simple way she gets the Hulk powers, was enough for me start to losing interest. It would’ve been so easy and much more realistic for the crash to knock them both unconscious with Jennfier being seriously wounded. The doctors could’ve then began transfusing Banner’s blood without realizing who he is (just that he’s a compatible donor to her), then Jennifer would turn into She-Hulk, awakening Bruce, to then run out of the hospital in terror & anger with Banner Hulk quickly chasing her down and calming her. That would’ve not only been much more compelling, but it could’ve established their relationship and familial bond. Not to mention it could’ve provided us with some great background on Bruce’s understanding and expertise around the Hulk and how he was able to achieve his “symbiosis” with Hulk in Endgame (which was never truly explained).

[@josesarango3408]

they had to make their shitty scene of "woman saves man, God forbid is the other way around".

[@CamLaCreations]

I’m sorry but your complaining about comic accurate origins but aren’t even calling her by the right name? Doesn’t seem like accuracy is that big of a deal to you

[@LJAndrews1986]

I'm sorry but from all that you just zoned in on a name, never mind all the rest of it that makes total sense and would have made a compelling intro to her powers awakening. But sure zoom in on the name slip up 😂

[@CamLaCreations]

I mean you do realize the origin we got in the episode was only slightly different from what he’s asking for right? Practically just missed the transfusion, is that really that important? I feel like it’s a detail that’s not super important to her origin

[@joshgamingvlogs5203]

@@CamLaCreations NIGGA YESSS???? It was a big plot point in the comic books because she was being hunted down by killers because she was representing a snitch in the comic books it was more compelling when she got her powers plus it was a big decision for Bruce to make because he could alter her life forever and that was also a big plot point in the comics everything had a reason and you just hung up on a name rather than the actual point he’s trying to make. You should be a marvel writer with your level of intelligence

[@Sound557]

If Bruce’s MCU origin is the same as in the comics then his father was physically and emotionally abusive to him and his mother was killed in front of him. Making Jennifer’s complaints about cat calling just pathetic in comparison.

[@animezilla4486]

So what keep in mind she just got out of a car crash you think she in the mood to be hit on by some boys and besides we don't even know if Bruce's father is in the MCU

[@supersani21]

We dont know about Bruce's father but we do know about him being hunted down by the military constantly to the point that literally spilling a drop of blood in Guatemala almost got him captured and experimented on, the guilt of hurting people, his rampage in Sokovia, his own struggle with Hulk constantly attempting to gain control, Hulk being demoralized, refusing to come out and finally losing someone he loves.

[@seige8621]

@@animezilla4486 what exactly are you even talking about?

[@doggo9567]

@@seige8621 it's shilling

[@meatmaster665]

@@animezilla4486 and bruce literally got stranded off world 💀 is that comparable to catcalling

[@kierstinschmidt2514]

I can’t believe the absurdities that some of the shill media are espousing, like this one: While there is very much a female-centric perspective to this series, it does not come across as preachy nor does it turn the male characters into caricatures to drive home a message. -Alex Maidy, JoBlo’s Movie Network I must vehemently disagree. Every man in the show was either an idiot or a caricature. And Jennifer Walters is completely obnoxious and unlikable. And that’s fine, even for a main character, but nobody else in the show is likable either. If a man were to act the way she did we would calls that toxic masculinity. but when a woman acts in that same way what do we call it? Brave? Strong? Powerful? No, I say we call it what it is. Women can behave toxically masculine too. I’m all for equality.

[@RK-um9tu]

Why do dudes pretend to be women in these comments section. There are plenty of negative words that people call a women who acts the way she does. The fact that you can't think of any just proves you aren't actually a women.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

If you're all for equality, I hope you're signed up for the draft.

[@jerome1lm]

Toxic femininity.

[@christscrackers647]

I have a term for it. I like to call it "Feminazism". Because only feminazis could be this toxically masculine without a hint of self-awareness.

[@bgarri8001]

​@@RK-um9tu well that's probably because her comment would be immediately removed by KZbin if she did use any of those words.

[@offsewingdragons9142]

The absolute worst part of her talking about how “angry” she is all the time because of her little “woman problems” is that the writers missed a massive opportunity to make her suffer a real “woman problem”. A miscarriage, an abusive relationship due to her male partner being stronger then her, getting raped, which happens to women more then men but not exclusively women. There’s plenty of things women have to be more careful about and tend to have happen to them more then men, but instead the show goes with mansplaining and catcalling. Brilliant writing guys.

[@apollyon2379]

Well all I can say is that while writing this comment you put more thought into it than the whole marvel studio did while doing that crap show. They missed a very nice chance of making a down to earth cool superhero lawyer story and just went with their shitty idea

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

It'd odd because the comics had already had She-Hulk pretend her problems are equal to her cousin's and it didn't work there either. The really annoying thing is that it's very out of character for Jen Walters to feel that way. The reason her hulk form has her normal mind and personality is precisely because she's so well adjusted. Then again I'm expecting the writers to know the source material but they probably couldn't be bothered.

[@CaulkMongler]

She can only write about what she knows, and elitist problems is really all she knows.

[@pulatelephonics]

@@BiggieTrismegistusI heard the main writer said she didn't read the comics. Don't quote me on that though, I could very well have misheard

[@littleoldmanboy]

The thing is, when Marvel is creating "strong" female characters, they do so by stripping them of everything that makes them feminine, and She-Hulk is no exception. So it would be utterly impossible for Marvel to have had her have a miscarriage because that is something that only woman can experience, and therefore does not fit their image of a strong female character.

[@MikeTXBC]

You know who was a good example of a "strong female character" in a Marvel show? Jessica Jones in her three-season show, originally on Netflix, but now on Disney Plus. Jessica took charge of her life and had her own investigation business, but she also needed (and asked for) help from both men and women, but she was NEVER a weak person. Additionally, Jessica's goal was never to "tear down" men. In fact, she even tried to HELP Kilgrave, a man who actually once mind-controlled her! If anyone deserved to be torn down, it was him! Instead of immediately attacking him or dismissing him because he's a man, she first sought to help and possibly redeem him (although that ultimately failed in the end, and she was forced to "handle him"). Unlike modern MCU female heroes, she wasn't anywhere close to perfect (she made a lot of mistakes, but learned from them), and she would've been the first person to tell someone that, nor did she blame men for her issues. And she had a LOT of issues, some of which included alcoholism, anti-social personality disorder, trust issues, parental issues, and even a medical problem when she got stabbed and had to have her spleen removed. The MCU needs more female heroes like her instead of the perfect, totally infallible characters they have today who constantly need to remind the audience of "girl power!" and how "men are awful." These aren't characters worth watching when their entire purpose is to present an obnoxious, overbearing, and completely misguided PSA in the form of films or TV series.

[@JarmamStuff]

Jessica Jones is such a breath of fresh air in retrospect. I did not appreciate it enough at the time

[@Noncreativevampir]

yesss Jessica is such a good character, her character has layers and she's been through so much. They don't write her focus on just being a woman ,they gave her a unique personality. I luvv Jessica Jones she's my favorite. Besides daredevil hehed

[@tai2664]

Jessica Jones = 🐐

[@joshualukespeers]

This is the best (and most accurate) comment about “strong female characters” in Marvel that I’ve read so far - completely agree (and not to mention that Jessica Jones is an absolute BADASS too!)

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

Season one was good but 2 and 3 weren’t that great, however season 3 of Jessica Jones is a 100% on rotten tomatoes masterpiece compared to She Hulk.

[@NoirNameless]

The scene where Jennifer talks about controlling her anger really annoys me. I’m really hating how when things like this happens, the character she’s talking to, who usually tend to be men get their trauma and hardships ignored or played for laughs. Bruce really sat back and let her say she has it harder basically, and said nothing about seeing his father kill his mom, having to kill his father, forming 2 personalities because of abuse, trying to delete himself, going to war with his first loves father who was a military general, losing Natasha, not knowing how to control a power he didn’t want until now although he was responsible for literally leveling cities, etc. Despite all of that, he’s the calmest he’s ever been. She can turn into she Hulk at will, and almost killed a man because he asked her what her name was. But sure, she’s better at being calm than he is. Sure. 😒

[@Notoriouscj1]

Damn that’s deep

[@jackhhun2698]

A LOT of men sit back. My aunt had me watch a bollywood version of pride and prejudice which directly called the mother character a goldDigger. 3 months later I begin to ask her about it and her eyes glaze over and she makes this highpitch noise for a voice and acts like she has never even heard or concieved of the word goldDigger. I sat back and did my best not to laugh and just let her go ahead and pretend. Her entire group of lesbians do that and I felt pitty like looking at a child and about to tell them santa claus doesn't exist. This took years of gaslighting me for this to work but Women use these tactics pretty commonly to emotionally control men

[@Notoriouscj1]

@@jackhhun2698 lol

[@joshuabrown9398]

Underrated comment. They could have humbled she hulk and made her much more likeable if bruce scared her with a slight burst of anger while explaining the hardships he went through controlling a monster that could level cities.

[@3lankfac32]

I interpreted the purpose of that scene to show that she can’t control her anger as she gets more mad she transform I don’t think it was trying to ignore or take away from Bruce’s trauma but that’s just me

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

The worst part about that "women's anger" part is that it's best case scenario means that this woman unironically gets so mad at minor annoyances it's literally life or death.

[@jharnahansda860]

That is actually a mental problem.

[@turkepic3637]

And in general sends the message women are angry most the time , which's kinda funny.

[@Dargonhuman]

It really does undermine the message of women being more in control of their emotions than men when the mouthpiece for that message demonstrates such a terrible control of her own emotions.

[@CaptainFracture]

Feminists don’t realize they’re literally playing into “She’s on her period” trope. Like this shit is blatantly sexist somehow to both genders at once while trying to be morally righteous

[@yukinagato6761]

Captain Marvel . dude says ya should smile more . steals his ride WRECKS IT. She even shop lifts ( Women around the world thats Girl Power) Also blows away a jukebox to prove she is a good guy . is sheild gonna compensate folks for teh damaged caused by the theft of a car and stuff and teh ruined jukebox ?

[@ohapplesauce]

Jen: “Men are so degrading and mean to me!” Also Jen: *Sleeps with three different men on every single first date she has with them.*

[@dramaticwords]

"There is more that separates the experiences of the writers of She-Hulk from the experiences of most women than there is separating the experiences of most men from the experiences of most women." Nicely put.

[@littlebunse5]

From the mouth of one man into the ears of another. And then you congratulate each other lmfao how sad. Watch F.D Signifier's video on Candace Owens to better understand why you're both wrong and also are transparently unable to put yourselves in the mindset of women. Laughable content boys.

[@Assywalker]

@@littlebunse5 I mean, I do have a lot more in common with my fellow female fork lift drivers that are for example casual MCU fans like me, than they have with rich NYC layers that would name people calling them sexy as one of their biggest struggles.

[@littlebunse5]

@@Assywalker yeah but the thing is things don't have to be about MORE or LESS oppressed, fun fact women ARE harassed more than men for their sex, and even the richest most detached women are valid when they critique patriarchal culture that still exists prevalently today. And frankly I'd trust a wealthy woman's opinion on women's rights over "the casual mcu fan" anyday lmao as shown by the casual sexism shown in this comment section. A show made for women? More like WINE MOM SHOW OOOOO GOT EM HOW DARE WOMEN LIKE MY HEROES THEY DO IT WRONG AUAIGJJHHHHH thats how you guys sound rn

[@DrDoompenguin]

@@littlebunse5 Another fun fact, while it is true that women are more likely to be subject to harassment and sex-related crimes, men are more likely to be victims of every other crime.

[@srinikethan2051]

Wow that was articulated very well 🔥

[@zeropolicy7456]

The best part of the whole Steve is a virgin thing is that it actually adds to his character, not takes away from it. It shows that the best aspects of what it means to be a good man are not dependant on sexual experience. Given what Steve has accomplished throughout the story, it's something that should be praised. Not mocked. He is the ideal example of what it means to be a man. And he's a virgin. That _should_ be a strong, positive message.

[@MKL3165]

Agreed

[@samcalderas870]

Leave it to the skanks that made this "comedy" and pretty much crapped on Steve Rodgers since scene one.

[@CodeeXD]

Then they ruined it and imo damaged his character by saying nah he smashed before he was even frozen. You know during the time he was mad I love with Peggy.

[@varietyveritegaming]

In the post credit scene, Hulk reveals that Steve was in fact not a virgin.

[@zeropolicy7456]

@@varietyveritegaming Which is unfortunate. Because these writers destroyed what could have otherwise been a really positive message. They mocked his being a virgin, then reinforced the whole measure of a man thing. It feels like a non-committal bait and switch. They should have picked one side or the other.

[@Arlondev]

I feel like Deadpool's fourth wall breaking is more excusable because he is canonically very insane and the fourth wall breaks are meant to be nonsense. Like, he doesn't actually know he's in a show, he is just addressing anything at random and occasionally addressing the camera and therefore the viewers

[@nobodyhere7773]

yeah and it's just his thing, it's connected to his humour and everything, that's why I enjoy those fourth wall breaks, they're at least funny

[@jenniferdunstan5065]

Yeah it's his thing and his way of being a unique character

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

She Hulk ACTUALLY did that BEFORE Deadpool. Go figure😂. But she did it in dope ways🤷‍♂️

[@RanMouri82]

@@no.1spidey-fan182 Not so long ago, back when women were allowed to be sexy and actually funny. Now that's just called the "male gaze".

[@Arlondev]

@@no.1spidey-fan182 I'm not saying Deadpool did it first, just that it actually makes sense. Unless she-hulk is insane too, which would explain the fact that she got superpowers and decided to become a lawyer instead of actually doing anything to help people

[@abbewinter9249]

Honestly, this show confirms for me what I've suspected for years; the writers stopped respecting Bruce and the Hulk as a character(s) a long time ago. I felt it from the moment I saw Ragnarok. Anything deep and emotional to do with what was supposed to be a story about trauma and self control was thrown out the window so Big Green guy can be silly, and Little Not-Green Guy can be silly, but in an awkward way.

[@indiajohnson]

I actually liked the character(s) movie-wise in The Incredible Hulk, that's where I thought they were close to what I remembered but yeah looking back Ragnarok Hulk was ugh!

[@thattrickytrickster612]

If she’s this bad to Bruce, I cannot imagine seeing my boy Matthew get talked down by Jen. Imagine Daredevil, a relatively normal human, straight white male who is blind; who has protected New York’s citizens from human threats like crime, corruption and just plain injustice as a vigilante by night, and then has to wake up in the morning and do the same thing in court during the day as a lawyer. Now imagine that man getting demolished physically and morally ripped apart by a superpowered woman who just talked down an Avenger who saved the universe and has undergone decades of trauma because she deals with catcalling “everyday”.

[@yomommaNyadaddy]

oh god i can see it already

[@MrMisanthrope84]

She-Hulk: "You don't understand what's it's like to suffer" Daredevil: "Yeah you're so right Jen I know fuck all about hardship don't I?" *Goes back to reading braille*

[@Akira-dc7is]

.8ab Nnn1.. Mwu

[@quitus9215]

i hope he will be a type of character thats like "i don't give a fuck about you and your whining". i mean, when did Matt ever throughout his 3 season let anybody talk him down? also remember him schooling Danny for is childish behaviour in Defenders? yeah, i hope he will be like that here, confident and mature so she won't be able to pull this stupid shit on him even tho she can kill him in 1 punch. i didn't watch a single episode so far, and i probably still won't even with Daredevil in it, unless he does anything along these lines. i also get it that it's nothing for them to loose 1 person watching their stuff, but i really can't stand it at this point. this direction they've chosen is really not my cup of tea. i couldn't even finish last episodes of WandaVision and since then i didn't bother checking any other series i wanna believe they will do him justice because they know people love Daredevil and will go apeshit if he is heavily tainted by this circus, like hulk and thor were, also it wouldn't make sense if he is a clown in this one and then is written like a sigma male in his own solo series, which is suppoused to be in darker tone. but it's not likely. all of these shows felt like they were testing the ground - how far they can go.

[@niobe6844]

It bothers me how much people like you and the others who replied to you don't actually understand Daredevil or actually read his comics. Let's stop using Matt to downplay the struggles of women and sexist retorts.

[@Dahak86]

You know your show is doomed when the review is better then the first ep. can't wait to see the next review.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

That’ll probably be House of the Dragon - I’m putting it on as I type! I’ve heard a few good things, so it should be interesting.

[@Ninjersey1]

@@TheLittlePlatoon house of dragon was a great first episode and looks like the show is gonna be legendary

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

@@Ninjersey1 Noooo, don’t get my hopes up. I think I’ve forgotten how to write positive reviews. It’s been so long!

[@AliRadicali]

@@TheLittlePlatoon I would be shocked if it is any good. From the plot synopses that have been out for a while now, I can almost guarantee the show will be a continuation of the very worst elements of the latter seasons of GoT, especially this tired and completely out of place girlboss feminist pandering. It really boils my piss because it's SO DUMB and completely misses the point that the world Marttin created already had a feminist message by showing us how horrible a feudal patriarchy is. Adding a bunch of well-off female warrior queens who don't need no man completely undermines the dystopian message in the most clumsy and unselfaware way possible.

[@labradude]

@@AliRadicali me when I let my paranoid delusions control my hands as I type instead of watching the show.

[@elaguajdo]

"I've been catcalled and people of a different gender that might have a little more experience than me are always trying to give me advice." - Jennifer Walters/She Hulk "The Hulk literally brought back half of the Universe to life." - Everyone else on Earth "I'm still right and Bruce (and every other man) is wrong." - Jennifer Walters/She Hulk I knew it'd be bad, not to mention condescending to men but ... Wow. I was willing to watch it, just to laugh at how absurd it was, but my son and I didn't even crack a smile. It's not even good enough to be bad. Well, no more curiosity from me, I can save that half hour every week to do something, ANYthing else.

[@adriandenton6637]

Yea I was shocked by how boring it was.

[@joshuamatheny7072]

I’ll just wait for the whole series to come out and see if I wanna watch it because I do wanna see how Daredevil is handled.

[@brantcloyd5485]

@@joshuamatheny7072 She gonna up Matt as a lawyer. I hope Im wrong on this.

[@joshuamatheny7072]

@@brantcloyd5485 I really hope you are wrong as well

[@alexandercharlton4939]

@@brantcloyd5485 i hope youre wrong but how the shows gone so far itll probably happen

[@PullipKisses]

That scene "I'm always angry" HULK! Wooooow! I remember when I first saw it feeling so excited! What the heck happened Marvel?!

[@emmerson1232]

“I don’t know any woman that would find this amusing” as a woman, it’s not

[@amogus5902]

i can also confirm that when she says "I do it infinitely more than you" i just groaned and almost turned off the TV

[@davidfalloutbandit]

Imagine taking a character that is powerful enough to break the sound barrier with a clap of their hands and go toe to toe with some of the most powerful beings in their universe but still trying to work the 'I'm the victim because I'm a woman' angle ...

[@javonteakingofgod283]

The hulk is that dude she hulk is way weaker

[@LunarEdge7]

I was hoping for Hulk to stop being Smart and use his brawns to force a point right after that cringe "catcall" dialogue she gave Too bad even in the 1v1 fights the writer made him look weak as fuck

[@pulatelephonics]

@@javonteakingofgod283 she is by no means weak tho

[@javonteakingofgod283]

@@pulatelephonics I know this

[@katlyndobransky2419]

As a woman… yeah when a woman tries to guilt trip men by bringing up catcalling, you know something is wrong. Why can’t we have strong women without them trying to be a victim

[@Dargonhuman]

That entire argument lost most of its punch when the same feminists who were so vocally against catcalling later said they missed getting attention from random men on the streets, indicating that it wasn't the attention they were against, it was likely that the men giving it weren't their "type".

[@yukinagato6761]

Oh come on we need women to play that card its perfect. Hey i find this funny . We want equality . but hold on what ya want me to pick up the check for dinner oh no babydoll ya teh guy ya need to pay it , oh the rents due well i have my money you have yours . the place is in ya name that's ya responsibility Equality till the bill comes due and when it comes to living up to their accountability for things vs scrambling to demand friends pay the bill A girl i know had 5 different parties for be baby before it was born . each party she expected folks to chip in for the party and even drop money into a wishing well. i saw her contront a few excuse me ya didn't drop in anything into teh wishing well . come on ya gotta support my baby ya not a monster are ya . Guilt to no end . and OMG she would pass out a business card for some websites to visit with even a email of what she expected folks to buy the baby . I saw the sites and nothing was less than 150 dollars oh come on its for teh baby right . yea i dropped by to pick up her husband 7 months into her pregnancy. she was off and about doing some pre party stuff for yet anothere baby party thing . the garage had i swear must have been at least 3 years worth of diapers several strollers cases of baby formula that lined a wall top to bottom at least3 cases deep and 14 feet long , 6 cribs in boxes . 4 play pens and a bunch of spendy educational toys like baby Einstein stuff . . i happened to run across her ebay page once and she was selling the gifts there . yep just makes ya wonder sometimes

[@katlyndobransky2419]

@@Dargonhuman ugh I know, it’s super annoying and narcissistic

[@etholus1000]

Woman like you. Give me hope for the future

[@tripplel8495]

Growing up I've never really clicked with any other female hero, despite being a women myself, but Bruce Banner was someone I grew to love so much over the years. The Hulk films were the only ones me and my father bonded over and they were my introduction to the MCU, seeing what happened in SheHulk made me irrationally angry and just sad. There was so much opportunity here, if only they didn't fucking drag this in the mud :(

[@LT-kh5qh]

hear, hear! i relate to Bruce on a deeper level because of his original origin of trauma in the comics, AKA Bruce's father, and the idea of his trauma having manifested into a rage-filled monster. it was like a cancer to him, but one he couldn't be rid of. it was sad, but relatable. and yet, She-Hulk drags that through the mud and makes fun of it because of some bigoted woman's opinions on society and superheroes in general. it's aggravating.

[@LightskinSanji]

The joke is Hulk having to deal with SheHulk is actually a lesson in anger management

[@muntadar-albahadily]

Agreed

[@user61696]

i'm trying to convince myself that her "I'm better than you" argument to Bruce is because of the lawyer vs. scientist argument that's the only way i was able to get through this ep XD

[@ppsarrakis]

its possible the whole episode was self sarcastic /skewed events the way she breaks the fourth wall and giving us her POV of what happens feels like that, the problem is she is a 30+ year old lawyer and she should know better.

[@CodeeXD]

Idk lawyers kinda suck

[@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079]

bruce fucking banner as a scientist will and has done more than some nobody lawyer ever will lmao

[@leepicrandomaa]

@@CodeeXD what watching 6 season of BCS did to a mf

[@kayliean]

why? its so obvious that it was a male vs female argument

[@misternobody3481]

After seeing the trailer, I was thinking, "is this meant to be a superhero story for wine moms?" Your commentary seems to confirm this.

[@joshgamingvlogs5203]

After watching the first two minutes of the show I was able to tell it was for single wine moms with 30 cats in their house

[@littlebunse5]

"wine moms" as opposed to basement dwellers like you? Yes. It is a show whose target demographic is not your own. Why do you feel the need to shit on it so hard? It's free to not watch disney products and also free to not bitch about it like manchildren. But yeah you're all more emotionally mature than the fictional character you're yelling at. Genius.

[@brown56765]

A ton of depth could have been added to Walters' character by having her have been a victim of rape or abuse. Her abuser getting off easy in court would be a compelling reason for her to seek a career in law, and a massive drive for her to excel in it. It could also create in her an above-normal need for bodily autonomy and perception of threats to that. With this, the potential assault threatened by catcalling would trigger fears bolstered by trauma, and peers perceiving her as overly-emotional or unprofessional would be serious threats to her efforts and ability to protect people from what she went through. Additionally, a moral struggle could be explored as she tightropes between protecting victims and exacting vengeance on potential effigies of her abuser. Another interesting change would be that the women who joke about domestic abuse and coerce her into letting them alter her appearance could be just as threatening, if not more, than the men she encounters afterward, changing the message from "men bad" to "removing autonomy is wrong regardless of intent" With a focus on consent and autonomy, Bruce rescuing her from the car crash and transfusing his own blood into her to save her life would be much easier to perceive as a violation (for both character and audience), and the frequent, involuntary transformation would be much more distressing. Her struggle with the hulk could be turned into an incredible allegory for processing trauma and recovering from abuse, but instead we got a legal comedy. She-Hulk could be and should have been so much more.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Giving She-Hulk past trauma would have fundamentally altered her character. The reason Jen Walters and She-Hulk are one and the same mentally is because she's well adjusted and doesn't have any hang-ups. That's why suddenly making her have repressed anger doesn't work. If she was that mad all the time her Hulk form would be more like her cousins. If they needed to give her issues they could have explored the dichotomy between the way Jen Walters looks and the beauty of She-Hulk. She-Hulk is supposed to be a fun character and I personally like that about her. That's not to say you can't serious stories about her because you can. I don't think herself needs to be a good person who likes to help people at both of her jobs.

[@mitchellsmith6390]

Put ya dick away waltuh

[@seabirdflutter]

damn dude when's the series coming out??

[@WanderTheNomad]

"Legal" "comedy"

[@crow8173]

26:31 the thing that annoys me the most that she had a legitimate reason for being good at controlling her anger with her being a lawyer. she could just said something like "I'm constantly surrounded by criminals in court of course I'm good at controlling my anger" or anything like that but we just had to make it abt gender

[@keerthichandra376]

All her traumas put together doesn't come anywhere near to what Bruce had to endure for her to be stupidly saying that she controls her anger infinitely more than him. That's fuckin stupid to say the least 🤷

[@davidmays8974]

It does actually happen constantly in real life.

[@daryl2584]

@@davidmays8974 did you watch the video at all

[@davidmays8974]

@@daryl2584 No.

[@turkepic3637]

@@davidmays8974 Chad , but your opinion is wrong.

[@eduardoalvarez7546]

“I need it because a man is gonna tell me I’m too emotional!” As she says emotionally. Yeah really stellar writing to prove a point there.

[@stephenramos2824]

To be fair thats more on the actress not the writer. Actors elevate or just ad-lib lines although these are human shaped parrots that can only repeat generic talking points with zero independent thought.

[@leepicrandomaa]

@@stephenramos2824 wouldn't the director say to the actress how she should deliver her line?

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@@leepicrandomaa they doo

[@ryszakowy]

when "incompetent men explain my area of expertise to me" that means she really sucks in her area of expertise

[@bungiecrimes7247]

For a power that is emotionally driven at that. 😂

[@PrincessFionaYT]

Shulky McBeal Plays like a typical dumb sitcom. But we know better than to expect more from Marvel at this point. It really angered ME when she berated Bruce about being angry, considering everything that man has had to go through. I know he’s a fictional character but I thought about real life examples. Being yelled at by entitled Karens who have no idea what I’ve been through in my life.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

The *only* way they can redeem her is to really make her face real hardship and realise how lucky she’s been to have had such a comfortable life. But that would elevate Bruce again, and I highly doubt they’re willing to concede that the guy may have had a point.

[@almalone3282]

​@@TheLittlePlatoon But you don't understand you sexist bigot!!! Men called her pretty in the streets!!! Do you know how awful it is for women for men to find them attractive!!

[@bgarri8001]

I don't believe any of these writers have ever heard of empathy before. it's really sad and downright pathetic at how selfish so many protagonists are written these days. Especially, for comic/ superhero stories. Unless they're an anti-hero, they really should all have similar characteristics to a Steve Rodgers.

[@almalone3282]

@@bgarri8001 Too many people said Morally upstanding characters like Captain America and Superman where boring. This is where that lead too.

[@bgarri8001]

@@almalone3282 I just can't stand how these writers seem to mock the idea of heroism, like putting the needs of others before your own is some sort of antiquated idea. What was the one quote from the trailer that She-Hulk says? "Being a superhero is for narcissists, billionaires, and orphans" or something like that? I mean what kind of philosophical BS are they exactly trying to push in a damn SUPERHERO show of all things for a stupid line like that?

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

What's sad is this could have been a hilarious show considering she is a lawyer for superheroes and supervillains, imagine all the fun cameos we could have gotten..

[@ygthemoth9425]

That may have been the plan at some point till they realized how much they’d have to pay through the nose for that.

[@joshgamingvlogs5203]

I genuinely laughed at the jokes in this review more than the “comedy” in the show

[@flaviol2287]

Hulk saved 50% of the universe. The fact that he's not immediatly laughing his ass off when Jen lectures him about her anti-man bullshit is enough to tell you how badly this show is written.

[@Herb615]

I couldn’t help but laugh at how ridiculous She-Hulk sounded while lecturing Hulk on how much more hardship she experienced. You know, the same Hulk who had to overcome a childhood with an abusive family and the same Hulk who saved half the universe with the simple snap of a finger.

[@mavvynne444]

That's why the She-Hulk series is woke af

[@mavvynne444]

@@Herb615 Even Bruce Banner was like: 😐😑🤨 the whole time when listening to Jennifer's petty problems. It was so laughable af. Seriously

[@shadowthedemonicwolf4410]

@@Herb615 Don't forget that he was being hunted down by the US government for years, meaning he was constantly on the run. But of course being cat called is far worse than anything Banner had to go through.

[@arachnidsjacket57]

you could say he did it single handedly ah ah *slaps knee*

[@dragonmac1234]

I love comic book She-Hulk, she is a true superhero who risks her life to save others. But because this is a Marvel show this Jennifer is unlikeable, arrogant and self entitled. She is a better Hulk than Bruce without training because she is a woman, that is 2022 for you folks.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Have you tried watching it again and pretending it's what you wanted?

[@doomnack616]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 what?

[@dragonmac1234]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 I've watched it once and that was enough thanks

[@Steezealways]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 what are you on about ?

[@kingawesome5219]

@@doomnack616 he’s probably referring to CinemaWins’ Rise of Skywalker video where he says that exact line

[@michaelplowman8674]

I think one of my favorite parts of the show was Jen being recognized as a great lawyer while the writers make her essentially incompetent in her job and she almost never wins an actual case yet they still have her win an award.

[@SkyPerson]

Sarcasm I hope?

[@michaelplowman8674]

@@SkyPerson About 50/50 sarcasm. I found it legit hilarious that they show her not being good at her job while at the same time saying she was winning an award for being good at her job.

[@leepicrandomaa]

I like how in the clip in the beginning, she said she's better at controlling her emotions than Bruce. Meanwhile she's being emotional and Bruce looks like he's the one who controlling his emotions

[@Chronz]

What if this is part of her story arc?

[@Waghammer]

@@Chronz That would require the writers to either think of or even want to go with that idea

[@sethyoder7996]

I think it'd be so cool if that's her story arc. My hopes are buried 6 feet down so I don't expect it in the slightest. She has potential for actually fantastic character development, but knowing the team behind the show I *highly* doubt it's going to happen

[@babacalouche]

@@Chronz then it's not well written, nor interesting to watch like it's depicted. It's cringe at the max.

[@savy1690]

maybe im dumb but isnt that the exact point of the scene to show that actually she cant control her anger and so its bullshit she can do it better ?

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

All I think about this show is "feminist power fantasy". Frumpy and in her thirties, with a bad attitude. Desired by men (for some reason), but can also beat them to a pulp. And praised for being mediocre. Notice I didn't say woman power fantasy. Feminist power fantasy.

[@baileymoore7779]

Thought it was truly ironic that she was calling Bruce smug, the woman who can't help saying how much worse she has it and how much better she is. Literally. "Because I'm better than you."

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Fantasies of oppression from the actually most privileged sect of society; Wine women.

[@RK-um9tu]

Why do people who know nothing about feminisms also tell people what feminism is?

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

@@RK-um9tu Oh, do explain.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@RK-um9tu I know what feminism is. It is a misandrist social political movement first coined in 1839 by a French journalist. Its first wave was perpetrated in 1864 by a Jewish woman with notorious hatred for her own husband. Its main focuses are equity, destruction of the family unit, inoperable inflation due to doubling the workforce needlessly, the emasculating of men and masculinizing of women, and the murdering of unborns due to the facilitated hatred of children as well as self hatred in women, specifically of their reproductive capabilities.

[@fractured6702]

Can we talk about how this incompetent woman wants to woman-splain Hulk's own area of expertise?

[@xkurdyox3499]

Damn

[@Berd-Wasted.]

What's a *"Woman Splain"* Is that some kind of excercise?

[@brandon-qc1ul]

Make that Professor Hulk. Because he is a professor. They are just bullying the past characters which is degrading for those that watch since the start of the MCU. An incompetent character is an unlikable character when they are the main character in the show it just make people struggle to watch from start to the end.

[@bluebandit9715]

@@Berd-Wasted. if you're serious womansplaing is the counterpart to mansplaining which is when a woman has an overly condescending know it all tone/attitude and tries to tell a man how to do things like they're stupid. Mansplaining is the same thing just swap the genders

[@Berd-Wasted.]

@@bluebandit9715 That sounds... Stupid.

[@heIImiina]

Tatiana Maslany is such an incredible actress and for her to be reduced to this horrid cringe role and script feels like an attack on women everywhere [edit: fixed typo]

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

Idk I don’t think she’s like such an amazing actor, but I think she would of been just as fine as all the other MCU actors if given some better material. When she was pretending to be drunk in the last episode it was so bad and painful to watch I almost cut off the episode.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@Funhistani Maybe you find him misogynistic because of your racism.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@Funhistani so you go from being racist to a “person of color” interesting switch.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@Funhistani bro if you wanna be racist that’s fine, but the least you can do is not pretend to be a person of color while doing it.

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@Funhistani says the racist

[@TheAnnoyingnerds]

“Controlling anger infinitely better than you” pales in comparison where Bruce became Professor Hulk in one of or his hardest times

[@Dargonhuman]

She couldn't even control her anger to deliver that line...

[@michaelchesnut865]

I feel like the best "comedy" Marvel has made was Guardians of the Galaxy I. The jokes felt natural, for the most part, and there were very serious moments interspersed throughout the film. Without those serious moments, I would have hated that film.

[@mavvynne444]

There are other MCU movies that has good jokes as well.

[@madox4061]

lmao the comedy in guardians is dog shit as well

[@DviousDingle]

James Gunn is a good director for a reason... Taika Waititi on the other hand. Constant joking and not a single serious scene so he is an awful director looking at Thor Love and thunder

[@TTeuio6969420]

​@@DviousDingle taiki is good, its just I dont think he is made for Marvel exactly

[@madox4061]

@@DviousDingle taika waitit has good movies. the mcu sucks ass

[@tamarirekhviashvili4142]

“I do it infinitely more than you” Dumbledore said, calmly.

[@peterpupe8352]

On point. People complaining about isms are quite often the worst kind of exactly that. Its like sexism is insanely funny when targetting men - and unforgivable when targetting women or queer people. Those people should just confess that they want retribution rather than equality. You are my knight in gay armor.

[@5thdog]

It's so funny to me that the She-Hulk I remember from the comics was always really supportive of her cousin WHILE being independent. This version is written as the antithesis of that. She's constantly belittling Bruce. As well as almost always needing to be in need of a pep talk. It really hurts because She-Hulk is one of my favorite comic book characters. (One of my mains in mvc3 lol) as soon as she started browbeating smart hulk it was rubbing me the wrong way. I really want to like the show. I don't know if I can keep watching it with the constant gut punches.

[@jacobschmidt8539]

Same, I remember seeing her in an old marvel tv show when I was a kid and was pretty interested in her character. So I was pretty excited for this show. Then this came out she was just awe full towards Bruce and I get the feeling that she is only going to get rewarded for all this

[@robinthrush9672]

The more I see of female-written shows for a "female audience" that deals with "female troubles", the more I see that all the accusations of toxic masculinity and all the "female troubles" are projection. You couldn't write this level of hypocrisy as a parody without thinking your stretching your credibility.

[@littlebunse5]

you're* and also you're literally a man commenting a woman-hating comment on a woman-hating video about how women shouldn't write about toxic masculinity and accusing THEM of hypocrisy. The only difference between you and them is that the female writers know which form of your/you're to use, you gigantic doofus ass maidenless incel

[@g.w.7893]

You’re *

[@robinthrush9672]

@@g.w.7893 Just the first one. ;)

[@IN-tm8mw]

Its just sad watching someone project insecurities all over the place, especially a hero that's supposed to inspire hope.

[@noemitamas4066]

And for someone who keeps bitching about "toxic masculinity" the writers do an excellent job of keeping it alive, by spending a large chunk of the episode clowning on the mental health issues of a man and making fun of the possibility that an adult male is still a virgin.

[@fibonachi90]

You've got to love how the Hulk, original avenger, risked his live numerous times to save the world, brought back 50% of the UNIVERSE to life, no big deal, in this series's first episode gets humiliated for no real reason. They are supposed to be cousins and she is that vicious to the saviour of the universe, because men bad.

[@littlebunse5]

Imagine being so offended on a fictional character's behalf. Maybe he doesnt care about her actions against him as much as you do because he isn't as sensitive as you are because again, he's a fictional fuckin character who has risked his life on several occasions. He has perspective. And you're just a dork with hurt fefe's.

[@jackhhun2698]

katcalling survivors understand call 1-800 whine

[@ismingo4264]

@@jackhhun2698 wdym cat calling is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity

[@PlahaKumar]

Putting feminism as the expense of everything else.

[@zroutube]

This video is so good it made me go back and watch all those great Bruce Banner scenes - first meeting with Natasha, "the other guy spit it out" story... - and now I appreciate them even more and hate this show with even more passion. Thank you sir!

[@kennedylemon5837]

Of course, being catcalled and being harassed is very wrong, and difficult for a woman to go through, but if you are trying to compare that to someone who has tried to shoot himself in the mouth, only to have the hulk spit the bullet out.. Its a pretty flat comparison

[@Alp-xe6ty]

Not even sure I'd agree with "difficult to go through". Inappropriate? Yes, sometimes. I grew up through the 90s and throughout my whole childhood, catcalling was seen more as banter, often even seen as a compliment and if it wasn't, it would be shrugged off with an eye roll. We are in danger of making really trivial, perhaps inconvenient interactions into full on drama. I knew more than one girl/woman who, whilst I was growing up, actually griped or got a bit jealous over the fact that they didn't experience it. Society is getting weaker and more mentally fragile. Obviously there are niche scenarios and situations where this doesn't apply but a majority of the time, it's harmless banter.

[@jimmyprimetime1050]

@@Alp-xe6ty Nah to be fair some men that do the catcalling are fucking nutty. Like the act of catcalling in of itself is annoying and at worse, degrading. But then you as the woman have to worry about this guy who wants your attention possibly following you home or to work, and who can snap if you tell them you're not interested in their attention. Shit sucks, but it's not comparable in trauma to someone who literally tried killing themselves as shown here.

[@xduwu4257]

@@Alp-xe6ty good that you feel that way I guess but having 'nice tits' and other inappropriate remarks yelled at me by men before I was even a teenager is not okay. It is difficult for a lot of people to go through, it's uncomfortable, embarrassing, and rude. Sometimes scary depending on what the person is saying. Cat calling is not the same as flirting. Would any men who saw that happen to their sister, daughter, mother or girlfriend, really see that as playful banter or would they clock the catcaller in the face? That's a bit of an exaggeration but I'd hope if you have any young women close to you, in your family, you wouldn't want weird men making gross remarks at them in public.

[@vivilonrane1330]

@@Alp-xe6ty are you a woman?

[@Alp-xe6ty]

@@xduwu4257 obviously everything has levels and what you deem as 'flirting' can be seen as sexual harassment to others. I'm not going to go into the very worst examples because I'd think it's pretty obvious that I'm not referring to extreme cases, these exist in pretty much every form of interaction we can have and are obviously not OK. You've immediately gone to talking about teenagers tits, again, clearly not what I'm referring to. It's not just how I feel, it's how plenty of women feel. I've been with them when they've had someone whistle or say something and they've openly taken it as a compliment. Again, so it's clear, I've now said multiple times it's inappropriate but not traumatic and sometimes, welcomed. And again. Obviously extreme examples exist and the situation will impact that but I'm not going to hit 20,000 words in explaining this, simply to avoid someone lazily strawmanning me. Bottom line is it isn't typically a traumatic experience. Some people are fragile and to them it will be, but so are lots of other things that people otherwise engage in with no issues at all.

[@kopo7466]

Love how in that clip, as she's explaining how "well" she manages her anger, she's losing her composure and temper. Yeah, top notch anger management there. And yeah, how dare you have to deal with unwanted attention and have someone else tell you how to do your job, one being something a semi attractive woman has to deal with and the other being something EVERY SINGLE working class individual deals with on a daily basis. Oh, how brave and how strong she is, dealing with common things and trivializing Bruce's traumas and abuses he's suffered his entire life.

[@bobinski2368]

Damn it's almost like that was the point of the scene 😂

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

Yeah, the show actively shoots itself in the foot, telling you one thing but showing you another. If this c*nt can control her anger so well then shed never hulk out and then, uh, why am i watching a hulk show?

[@kodytichenor4150]

@@bobinski2368 FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[@jwatts94]

Well said dude 👏

[@shayla106]

@@bobinski2368 Nope, you liar 🤥. The show never calls her out for this. Because even when she’s “apologizing” later on, she says she was still correct. So, try again 😉.

[@TheTrashAccount]

When the writers of this show said they wanted to work for marvel, everybody laughed at them. Now that they’ve made it, no one is laughing anymore.

[@JustThings1992]

😂🤣.. this is hilarious. Took a while for me to get this.

[@crackergaming1252]

Ayyyy, nice one. Reminds me of a similar joke about Amy Schumer.

[@Seority]

Amazing comment!👏👏👏

[@JustThings1992]

@Funhistani Toxic Feminist Alert!!!!!

[@pesmerga182]

That’s a joke from a comedian

[@gentleAsDoves777]

Ugh THANK YOU for this review. As a wummun, I'm sick of being made to empathize with upper-middle class model types. Now, that's not to say that such other women don't have their fair share of problems, but they certainly don't go through the shit that "lower-class" women go through. She has a safety net, got shuttled through top universities, got straight into their careers, are able-bodied etc etc etc....nah, I want to see someone who *really* struggles against adversity. Someone who hit rock-bottom and still manages to pick themselves up.

[@BigStickCombat]

Let's gender swap this. She Hulk: You must learn to control your emotions. Newbie Male Hulk: As a man, I have to deal with women's constant bitching and senseless mood swings, plus I never go on the rag. So I can control my emotions. She Hulk: Oh, my gosh, you're so much better than me, and you've been a hulk for only 10 minutes!

[@BoredomandVanity]

Newbie male hulk ain’t lying though.

[@alphazeroseven]

@@BoredomandVanity I love you

[@BoredomandVanity]

@@alphazeroseven thanks for the love, man. I need it.

[@theblackflame4002]

And your the exact type of sexist asshat that gives these lunatics a voice. Christ even your name "big stick" screams cold male insecurity. Just a jackal using comments sections to spew your incel hate.

[@Me-eg9dm]

@M Y T H I C A L N O V A Je m’appelle Oliver comment Çava?

[@hatuletoh]

The woman who plays Jen/She-Hulk (her name escapes me) said in an interview the other day that Jen/She-Hulk "is very self-deprecating character. " And ever since I heard that, I've been trying to decide whether she genuinely thinks she's portraying someone who is "self-deprecating," or if she just has no idea what "self-deprecating" actually means.

[@ExeErdna]

She's an actress that pretending to be somebody that does real work that can take a decade of mastery. She said the quiet part out loud. Jen being a Lawyer/Hero is below her

[@AInfusedNetwork]

She has no clue mate. She’s at best unlikable

[@MrMisanthrope84]

Self deprecating? Like when she constantly 1-Ups Bruce and even tells him she's better than him? Or was it when she was belittling him in order to validate herself? She's written like a total heel.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

You don't understand women, they don't care about the truth, they have their own truth and they expect the world to accept that even if they are not sure what is their truth are.

[@spoiler321]

According to proprietary analytics (TOTS), when she says, "because I'm better than you", 48% of the audience bailed out

[@leviathan7058]

Good

[@jewelsofjuly7377]

Excellent

[@khushalpunjabi3661]

Perfect

[@BobTheAnimator101]

Epic

[@pwitb4246]

Outstanding

[@shockwave_edits9568]

The only part I laughed at, was the faint: "what kind of an office doesn't have any red Bull! " Because it came out of nowhere

[@featuringdantefromthedevil9749]

Honestly, the new “the boys” character looks amazing. She really shows her arrogance and how narcissistic she is. Really brings a whole ne- wait? This isn’t a “the boys” character? It’s from a marvel film?

[@mhelm0225]

I thought you were talking about the head popper lady from the show for a second.

[@0205-z9y]

If this bitch existed in the Garth Ennis universe she would probably end up killed in some secret political plot by homelander or edgar

[@_arkalis_5573]

You know it's bad when Dante says it a boys character

[@PHOENIXGUNDAM]

No a actual Boys character is likeable either due to personality or possibly tragic background. Jen is neither, her family is kind of average, she has no severe emotional trauma (outside of apparently being Constantly objectified by men) and outside of her feeling bad from being occasionally emotionally dressed down and the occasional quirky forth wall break has no real personality. Even a boys character at their worst is still seen by the audience as likable and relatable. And that "I handle anger infinitely better than you" speech........ Oof that hurt my very Soul.

[@gridmeter2571]

I wonder how the boys would try to take on She Hulk? Do they just turn her into a gory mess with some mega brain logic? Or simply say sexist stuff in front of her face along with saying she sucks as a lawyer where she'll start foaming in the mouth from the misogyny overload

[@tri3s4life]

They ACCIDENTALLY tripped into what would actually have been subversive and interesting: making Bruce's "This is what happens when people start to see you as a monster" speech a counter-commentary about the changing treatment of men would have been mindblowing.

[@LiggyMustard]

Holy crap, missed gold right there

[@baileybrinker5935]

They don’t even see it as relevant somehow. That would’ve been great.

[@oxboll19]

Don't be silly. That would require a woke woman to have an ounce of sympathy for men 🤷‍♂️

[@VylGhost]

I mean they can still go this route as the show progresses and Jen gets an understanding of that mindset but I highly doubt they will. Even though highlighting both issues would be peak feminism.

[@shalltear159]

It's so strange to suggest in this universe that going through the catcalling and mansplaining, that apparently every woman goes through, is enough to qualify you to control the power of the hulk. That means that every woman in this universe can control the power of the hulk better than the hulk can.

[@339blackdiamond]

yes, cat calling is obviously way worse than being raised by an alcoholic father that would beat you, kill your mother out of jaleousy, experiment on you when you're a kid, and a suicide attempt because of the trauma his father put on him. Oh, and loosing the love of your life because of the consequences of your trauma (hulk) and then having her die so you can snap your fingers and save the universe. That's nothing. But UNWANTED COMPLIMENTS?!?! She's going trough such a tough time😢🤣🤡💀 This god damn show, I swear💀

[@StaceAyyy]

As if any logical man would whistle or cat call at a woman who's most likely a frumpy, grumpy feminist with blue hair with the body type of Lizzo. Those women should really stop complementing themselves lol ugh I'm so over bullshit shows like this that pander to women 😒

[@mjmaximoff3762]

Deffo not Wanda tho lol the scarlet witch would truly become an alter ego with no remorse just pure anger

[@StaceAyyy]

@@mjmaximoff3762 Well Wanda just wants her kids back, doesn't have much to do with being a woman(well...kinda). Could have just as easily been a man yearning to see his kids. But ya know, Wanda is at least hot, so it's fine with me lol

[@mjmaximoff3762]

@@StaceAyyy 😭Yes she is hot asf but I'm just saying if Wanda was to become a hulk while also being the scarlet witch that their will be problems with her character being she would truly with no question become an unhinged powerful being. Especially since Wanda has a history in comics of being unstable (Until she officially gets her children at least) and aggressive to those who gaslight her (Like when strange, professor x, ect... tell her that her kids aren't real) which he responses are killing/erasing them. Put that together with the hulk and may the universe pray for forgiveness

[@kietdo4379]

I still remembered the chilling in my spine when Bruce, with his low, calm voice, talked about how he tried to kill himself but the "other guy" didn't allow. To me, that means his life is no longer in his control. And is there any more tragic than "you can't control your own life" ? Sure, "cat-calling" and "mansplaining" are. What a pathetic show.

[@gillianisprobablycrying5784]

The way she talks about misogyny is just so inorganic that it really feels like it was written by a man who's heard women complain about it a few times and wanted to gain some points with a female audience.

[@doubleyoujaytee3017]

it just plays into toxic feminism without diving all the way into it, jen saying she’s spent her whole life controlling her anger more pretty much “invalidated hulks entire life” off an assumption that he’s lived the same life as her.

[@mtithewoodentank4817]

No, it's a pretty spot on replication of women complaining about the infamous misogyny and patriarchy they face every second of their life.

[@FuckGuidelines]

Yeah, but the thing is no man or woman in the right mind would write this lol.

[@xduwu4257]

@@mtithewoodentank4817 yeah maybe on twitter lol

[@herlocksholmes-uv5qw]

@@mtithewoodentank4817 Listen, I'm a woman and shit, and while I do suffer from these unfortunate prejudices even indirectly - I'm interested in computers and it's mostly a male-dominant field of expertise, and sometimes I feel like I'm just the exception; it feels kinda lonely whatever - I wouldn't say I shoehorn this suffering on other people. Like yeah, I'm afraid everytime I go out alone because my country is one of the countries that murders the most women - thanks Brazil; if someone came to me and said "hey man i have literal ptsd from being an experiment and if i lose control i will kill people lmao" I wouldn't go saying I have it worse. Fear and trauma ain't things to compare, we just sorta feel them. The fact that Jen is using hers to be "better" than the Hulk is just not the way to talk about whatever fear was installed into my software by society

[@thaovinguyen4522]

Bruce had to adjust to being the Hulk all by himself, that is hard enough, Jennifer doesn't know how lucky she was to have someone there to explain everything to her, mentor her to manage her new powers.

[@invidatauro8922]

24:24 It's so weird because in the Comics from what I remember She Hulk allowed Jen to be more confident (Her main struggle compared to the rage Bruce dealt with). It's a big part of the reason she chooses to remain as She Hulk most of the time. I feel like that would still work within the confines of "THE MESSAGE tm", but then I remember that Modern Female Characters cannot be portrayed as having any character flaws (Intentional characters flaws, plenty of unintentional ones) unless its something like "Oh, I'm TOO perfect".

[@destinyhntr]

Yes. That makes it SOO relatable for young girls too. You struggle with something and don't master it immediately? Sucks to be you. You will never see that represented anymore because Hollywood decided women can't have flaws for some reason. It might hurt their delicate feelings.

[@vinceventresca6763]

I love how you made mention of “THE MESSAGE”. And with that, the legend of The Critical Drinker grows.