She-Hulk - Stunning and Brave and Narcissistic

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

This is by request and will (probably) be the last I do on this show for a while - I refuse to make this a She-Hulk channel, the show doesn’t deserve it. Next up is House of the Dragon, then Rings of Power…

[@Moochtv]

Best get your pc software up to speck as well as enough alcohol in to quaff to null the pain when doing a Rings of Power episode!

[@petrus4]

I'm sufficiently afraid of Rings of Power that I'm not sure I can even watch reviews of that. I salute your courage, TLP; but such a defilement of Tolkien's grave would be truly heartbreaking for me, I suspect.

[@falcononpc9845]

ahh. Well it was fun while it lasted. Loved your last video on the show and it got me immediately hooked to your channel. Please continue to make content. Your speech is eloquent yet never ceases to make me laugh.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Gooooood little platoon good Now give into your anger and strike her down and your journey to the dark side will be complete

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

@@falcononpc9845 To be honest, I’ve said that, but I’ve absolutely no doubt I’ll watch the next episode and find myself doing another 50 minute video about it - it is kind of addictive!

[@Mediados]

I am genuinely impressed by this show. Somehow a room entirely made up of women fulfilled more female stereotypes than male writers.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

Stereotypes are built on a certain amount of reality. Consistent reality, at that.

[@Basedhistoryenjoyer]

women like them do exist though, its unfortunate that they just so happens to be in the same room, writing the script

[@22sfs22]

I'm not even sure that the show passes a bechdel test. I would have to rewatch it to make sure but I'm not suffering through it again.

[@youtheman1367]

😂😂😂

[@workinghomemaker]

wrong.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

The people who wrote She Hulk clearly don't understand: the average woman, the comic book source material, comic books in general, how human beings interact with each other, how people behave in a professional workplace, what lawyers actually do, nor entertainment in general.

[@TrigonAZR]

I don't think they understand how real life works and human beings interact to be honest. From, the bits I've seen, this might be (unintentionally) one of the stupidest shows ever written

[@charlesludwig8672]

Or how to write courtroom scenes

[@keithscott1926]

What’s so sad is the She-Hulk script was written by a woman who doesn't understand how to write or comic book.

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

The writers are probably angry lesbian Karens who hate men and who hate super heroes. It reminds me of the the soy boy who directed the last James Bond , who hates James Bond and consider him as a rapist. 😂 Unbelievable

[@deepaknambisan3251]

Spot on.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

It's really sad cause they could've done something interesting here. Jen in the comics was extremely shy and easily intimidated, becoming She-Hulk essentially gave her insane levels of confidence but also made her reckless at times and she couldn't push the blame onto an alternate persona like Bruce. That could've been fun to explore.

[@liquidjackson7172]

Man….I was hoping that they would do this. Shame.

[@Abolas452]

Adding “slightly shy” would deepen the character by a lot. And that’s minimal af

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

I do wonder if Cheetarah in Wonder Woman 84 created some edict at Marvel that they weren't going to take that option in case it was seen to be 'copying' the Minerva backstory of that film (and so, being ironically, seen as derivative or uncreative / copying DC)

[@MrMisanthrope84]

Ah but having her being meek and timid would mean some kind of character arc or comedy would naturally take place. Can't have that.

[@richrod0122]

So having a woman who isn’t submissive makes you mad? Lol

[@charissa6648]

They write these "strong female" characters with all the traits they deem "toxic" in male characters; only to attempt to gaslight the public into believing these same traits they decry as toxic are suddenly virtuous, but only when they inhabit a woman. Great video! I decided not to further rant in your comment section! 🙃

[@dryfox11]

Ping! Hit the bullseye xD

[@Sahiyena11]

I've seriously thought that was weird. Like it's almost as if these writers themselves are saying women suck because they have the common traits of women. I dunno, I know plenty of girls who are independent, strong and make a hell of a lot more money than me but still show compassion, grace and a respect for dudes who have have worked hard to become independently put together. Hell, many of the girls I've been with have had it more together than me but never made me feel like I should be a whimpering bitch because of it. They wanted me to succeed. I feel like all this gendered hyperfixation is bad for society and most of us don't buy into it, the worry is the small percentage of dumb people who watch something like this and make a hero of a character lacking real human traits.

[@charissa6648]

@@Sahiyena11 Your right, and I agree that Hollywood kind of hates women, because they perceive vulnerability, femininity, compassion, wisdom, and humility as undesirable traits! It's almost as if the worst of these writers are in fact women, which is bizarre, but kind of makes sense being the state of society and the bigotry that is modern day feminism in America. Some of the greatest female characters were written by men! I am so glad that you've had loving women in your life in spite of their socio economic status. Your definitely blessed to have such positive and encouraging people in your life! Please forgive my lengthy post, but this is all so infuriating. They fuel the gender wars and continue to not only write horrible female characters, but degrade men in order to make themselves look better. Which has the opposite affect, because if your female characters are worth anything than why do you have to write incompetent, dishonorable male characters to make the females look better? I think the best example I can give is the Wonder Woman franchise. The first WW compared to the second. The first movie was wonderful, imo. I loved that movie for several reasons, but mainly because of the way the wrote the characters of Diana and Steve. Diana exuded vulnerability, grace, kindness, strength of character, and such a warmth; she embraced her femininity. She was moral and had a beautiful yet simple understanding of what is good and what is evil. Although she was a hero with super powers, she still needed Steve, which was beautifully written. Steve did not have to become less masculine in order to accommodate Diana or make her look better, and Diana did not have to reject her femininity in order to appear strong. Steve didn't have to deny his desire to lead and protect her, because it may threaten her sense of worth. Diana, did not have to pretend she was not super human in order to protect his sense of worth. He was still able lead by example and wanted to protect her. He was a hero, even if only for her, and he sacrificed his life so she could save the world! It was incredible! Thats how you write a female super hero. Now look at the stark contrast between the first movie and the second. The second movie was absolutely terrible. Diana's morality was thrown out the window; she was essentially having sex with a man without his consent. Steve just followed her around the entire movie, and he offered nothing of substance to Diana. Steve was basically just there to fulfill Diana's loneliness and he had no real function other than to fill her bed. Diana was selfish. A feminist wrote that script. The problem with women in Hollywood is they are more self absorbed than the average person. They believe cat calling is the worst thing you can do to a woman, and men are their oppressors, because they are making less money on a movie even though they are less qualified and less talented than their male counterparts. They believe they deserve the accolades without doing the work to achieve them. They are upper middle class women who know nothing of the everyday woman's struggle. They believe simply posting a hash tag is comparable to real activisim or actually helping someone They truly believe they can live independently from men although men have built the very world they enjoy. It's so gross to me. Men are the reason women can work, work on their period, avoid pregnancy etc. Then there is a significant portion of society that has been taken through a coercive thought reform program through universities& msm. They are taught this garbage, and they are taught to adopt narcassitic traits by never taking responsibility for their lives, degrading men, and always playing the victim. A woman can do anything a man can do, lol; no she cannot. They want equality of outcome, which is stupid, and dangerous, but they do not want the same responsibility as men. Men are biologically superior to women in almost every way in terms of physical strength. Women cannot be Navy Seals, so instead of living in reality they began to make a fuss about opening up the program for women, and still not one has passed the program. You know how idiotic and dangerous that mindset is? Would you want a woman in combat with you when your injured and she cannot carry you back to safety? Or have to be concerned about the enemy capturing her and doing horrific things to her? I don't mind women wanting to be independent in a sense and I wish I had done more to be financially independent, because all I wanted was to be a wife and that could be dangerous. However, alot of these women adopt the mindset believing if a man doesn't make more than them than he is beneath them. That's the problem. They do not understand that men are suffering and women are being given more opportunities because they are women. Men are the highest suicide rates, homicide rates, homeless rates etc. Men are not completely without fault though because they lead whether by righteousness, dominance or complacency; they lead. I am not trying to be conspiratorial, however, those who lead the nations, evil men, created modern day feminism. They created sexual liberation. Women are still following which the ironic thing, but they think they are truly independent of thought. Also the modern man complains about women acting like men, yet they lead by poor example; domestic violence is something like 40%, the gratuitous sex but holding women to standards they refuse to keep etc. Sorry for rant. I just hate what they have done to entertainment 😒

[@Sahiyena11]

@@charissa6648 Damn, very thought out and nicely said. The difference between those two WW movies exemplifies the problem nicely. The degradation of dudes doesn't make anyone but an very small few people in real life actually happy, and films like that just have this air of fakeness about them because of it. Things like grace, compassion, strength of character and vulnerability really are what make a woman mesmerizing and interesting to root for. Like, this example is used a lot but look at the OG Mulan movie by disney in the 90's. She stepped up to fill a role that seemed impossible and had to struggle through to accomplish this task using her cunning, determination and honor to her family. That story was interesting because it seemed so far-fetched for a woman to join the army and become the hero, and in the end she saves it through cunning and not because a skinny girl somehow impossibly managed to kick the asses of hundreds of much of men directly and unrealistically. If you want good archetypes of female characters look no further than a lot of ancient mythology. Greek gods like Artemis or the Shinto gods like Izanami show the primordial traits of women in different cultures for generations before our weird modern day skewed sensibilities. How a woman is just as incredible as a dude, but in different ways. As the yin to our yang. You nailed it hard when you talked about how these movies are written by out of touch upper class ladies. That's exactly the issue with many forms of man hating versions of feminism these days, it is often touted by those same out of touch upper class bitches. The women who need feminism as a movement are those who are truly downtrodden and face insane inequality of modern day life. It's entire goal in theory is to level the playing field, not act like you are so mistreated when you regularly pull in a 6 figure salary and sit in your mansion drinking wine and shit talking dudes who slave away making less. If you want the concept of feminism to have some oomf again spread it to women who suffer under shariah law and can't leave the house without a dude watching them like children. Bring it to places like India where women are frequently assaulted and gang raped. It's just ironic that the places you see it pop up the most often are with 1st world problem stereotypical women who have time to concern themselves with how they are somehow downtrodden. If we don't get it in check as a culture we are going to see the natural snapback of the rubber band and disenfranchised men will act crazy, just furthering some idiotic gender war. We just have so much more important shit we should be dealing with as a society and men can't always be the scapegoat for our issues. We need to grow up and learn some maturity.

[@charissa6648]

@@Sahiyena11 Your reply was excellent! Yes!!! Very well articulated!! Especially regarding the women under true societal oppression like Shariah law. Your so right about these women being top earners and not being able to relate to the average women or even most men!! What a great conversation, thank you. I never heard the Mulan comparison, so that's a very beautiful analogy to me. Yes, she was an unlikely hero, and it was her cunning not her obvious lack of brute strength that made her one. The other great example is Eowyn and the Witch King! That was a masterpiece!!! It was his arrogance that gave her an advantage; his pride that no man can kill him. That was powerful! When a hobbit helped a woman kill the Witch King; that was seriously a cinematic masterpiece. That's how you cleverly write true female characters. And I hate, I mean hate the misandry and male bashing. I absolutely despise politicking in movies. The other issue is the hypocrisy. You know She Hulk has a pivtrue of Captain Americas but on her phone? After she almost killed a guy for daring to persist in speaking with her! Yeah, try and generalize women and see how quickly your completely canceled. Try to sexualize a woman, and your just the worst person ever, but they will do it all day. Dishonoring and degrading men. They are even teaching horrific things to young boys in public schools that their masculinity is wrong and they are inherently bad. What? You, men, are the reason we live such lavish lives even being poor in the West. The invention of tampons, most modern medicine, birth control, architecture, .lol I could keep going on and on...all accomplishments of men. All inventions that liberated women so they could enter the workplace! Heck, the very constitution was created by men. There are evil men, but most decent& lovely men. Just as there are evil women, but we are not constantly preaching& generalizing about how horrible women are. It's just so upsetting. They are destroying the entertainment industry and usually if you say anything as a man; your just an ist whether sexist racist etc. More women need to speak up and stand up for you guys, for our men; Fathers, brothers, boyfriends, husbands, sons, nephews etc.

[@Mamarozan]

"We hate how women is treated in films" "We hate how men cheer for a narcissist" So lets become what we hate but at the same time make it ten times more obnoxious. Somehow the cast and producers are dumbfounded why people leave bad reviews. 😅

[@Mr_Vosakisen]

🤣🤣

[@8-7-styx94]

Understanding & self reflection are two of those toxic masculine traits. They couldn't possibly subject themselves to the tortures of critical thought or character arcs.

[@cm9241]

@@8-7-styx94 everyone in this comment section could use some self reflection. Anyone who gives this much of a shit about superhero shows needs to reflect on themselves. Shave your neckbeard buddy.

[@twinzzlers]

​@@cm9241 Yeah, we can't criticize it because "its just a superhero show"

[@cm9241]

@@twinzzlers We must have different interpretations of the word "criticism"

[@turbotrup96]

The Titania actress has a point though -- it always pisses me off how little physical violence and humiliation the female characters go through. I mean, in MCU alone you have Loki and Starlord getting ballbusted multiple times, ffs! By women, too!

[@kathyp1563]

Rarely, if ever, see a woman looked bruised & swollen after a fight. I mean realistically. A woman will take a foot to the face & have a small bruise over her cheek, but no swelling. It's as if looks of the actress must be protected. Note that the Titania actress would still look good, after her goofy reaction to being kicking in the privates.

[@kathyp1563]

@Oni actually, I think it's dangerous to never show how a woman would look if she really to a foot to the face. Seems young women think they could hold their own in a fight with a man. Or it's not dangerous for a man to be in women's sports.

[@meti326]

Watch Jackie Chan he Hits Girls quit often in her "Balls"

[@JoaoPedroPT696]

Loki is actually slapped by Sif in the comics, but it's not done in a way to support wokeness or gender supremacy.

[@turbotrup96]

@@JoaoPedroPT696 there's a difference between being slapped, and getting kicked in the groin with intention to make audience laugh at your humiliation

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

I saw an interesting FB post the other day, where the poster was showing screen shots the low scores for the recent crop of female lead MCU projects that are not being particularly rated very well by audiences, which the poster blamed on misogyny. Someone else dropped the screenshot of that rating for Arcane, and asked them to please explain that. They chose not to address the question 🙃

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Lol. I wonder why?!

[@tackyoptic]

You know why arcane was good? Because none of the female characters complained about their pussies.

[@eliasfigarzon9813]

@Melvin Deeply jkr? The author of Harry Potter? I can't think of what things she said either, mainly because I ignore every single stupid post on Twitter.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Truly one of life's great mysteries.

[@Alex-uq1el]

"The show is pretty low-rated, to be fai-" "THE SHOW IS FINE, YOU JUST HATE WOMEN, YOU MISOGYNYST!" "Okay... What about the ratings on Arcane? That show has tons of female leads!" *". . ."* ". . ." *"...You just don't like female writers."*

[@worker-wf2em]

This is what happens when the target audience are the writers themselves. The show becomes nothing more than a vehicle to air every insecurity and personal gripe

[@QueenAmour8888]

❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@TheDarkstar3601]

Wow, nice

[@Kinos141]

Do writers live in reality? It seems like they were the shut-in they keep claim smart, introverted people are.

[@sharpaycutie2]

Tumblr in a nutshell. I see way to much self insert fanfic and not enough of actual canon character

[@CountDVB]

I mean… not that different from comics books for most of their history

[@MegaCygnusX1]

"...it is not double standards to point out that one character has to overcome his narcissism, while the other is celebrated by narcissists, for her narcissism." I'm a straight guy but this precision takedown made me want your babies. Well played, good sir.

[@battybuddy]

"Damage Control" is the book you were talking about around the 29 minute mark. With the people who clean up the damage after the heros and villains break New York.

[@Soapy-chan_old]

thank you

[@electricbayonet2]

Good golly. How many interviews does Gao have where she casually talks about her and her team’s lack of qualifications to be running this show?

[@TwistedReality13]

Really?? That would be hilarious if it wasn't so.. sad.. that would be a good line if this show was a hit. But as is, it's like "you don't have to tell us we know" 🤣

[@teddyharvester]

Yeah, it's weird how it's now a thing to advertise one's LACK of basic competencies needed to create a thing when being handed that thing... Imagine this kind of shit in any profession outside of Hollywood and politics. Like an electrician openly advertising he knows nothing about voltages, currents and which wires go where, but still getting jobs left and right.

[@dryfox11]

Just showing off how Disney has enough money to hire based on diversity for critics and not actual writing skill to… i dunno… make them more money?

[@StayFractalesque]

@@teddyharvester dupers delight.. they know they're shite, they know they pulled on over on whoever paid them, said, screw the show, we're gonna use this to promote our cult's agenda and the ideology! it's perfect, a young career millenial all the young career millenial women will look up to is the perfect vehicle for delivering our propaganda, using marvel's international marketing department to brainwash the globe, make the rest of the world think this is the direction the first world is going, we better get in line too!

[@bleeem]

@@dryfox11 the stardtards are all over the place, their artists and people on the lower part of their company have to work their ass off and be at a acrazy good level to get a chance to work for them, while the writers and higher ups just need some connections.

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

“Does the avengers offer maternity leave?” Well out of the 3 female avengers, one had a hysterectomy, one created children with magic after she killed her boyfriend, and one who wouldn’t dare get pregnant from one of those evil men

[@MegaSpideyman]

Who is the last one? Captain Marvel?

[@ElliottWong2024]

Who is the last one?

[@Dravianpn02]

@@MegaSpideyman yes

[@davidsirmons]

Potts qualifies as an 'honorary' Avenger....she had kids. Wasp also might be okay to having kids, also an 'honorary' avenger.

[@ElliottWong2024]

@@davidsirmons *Potts had a kid. She didn't have kids.

[@justaguy105]

I love how her hair grows and she turns from a Curly Sue 5/10 to wavy-haired goddess. Definitely not a power fantasy for wine moms...

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

At this point, the only good this series is likely to do is if a few of the wine aunts watch it, are horrified to recognise themselves, and resolve to change their ways.

[@justaguy105]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Yes because taking self responsibility is high on the list of these people 😒

[@vexageedits6995]

@@justaguy105 🤣🤣😂

[@matriaxpunk]

@@justaguy105 so what? Are power fantasies inherently bad?

[@justaguy105]

@@matriaxpunk Under the guise of the MCU? Yes. Yes it is

[@jimdotbeep]

I found the actress that played Titania not taking herself too seriously (unlike all the other Hollywood actresses) endearing.

[@jaxj968]

yeah and she’s cool irl too

[@thejikzter6782]

"That one character has to overcome his narcissism while the other one is celebrated for being a narcissist." That perfectly describes the whole M-SHE-U right now. Tony Stark had to face the consequences for his narcissism and he grew as a person because of it. That is why he was loved by many fans for his awesome character development. But these female leads FORCES you to love them despite their narcissistic behaviours because if you won't, you're a sexist bigot.

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

These women did a better job in making women look bad than actual sexist men. I hate how they tackle SA a lot of victim of SA straight up committed unalive, and they address SA by down playing male problems. Are they trying to antagonize SA victim.

[@TheKillerman3333]

in the comics, She-hulk is not a Mary Sue character. She has flaws, she makes personal discoveries. Her biggest "thing" is the discovery she makes with her hulk form that bruce banner never did. The stronger the base form, the stronger the hulk form. This leads to and gives her the ultimate excuse to get in shape becuase she knows that not only are her marginal base gains going to be retroactivaly magnified, but it also makes her a bigger threat. Her law degree gets put to huge use as well in that her intelligence isn't put to waste.

[@dizzyheads]

And that's why I like She-Hulk Too bad MCU ruined her for me

[@marcelgardner8497]

She-Hulk is easily a comic book that could have been transferred from panel to film with the only thing needed is updated aesthetics. However, these people said to hell with that one job.

[@JoaoPedroPT696]

That would mean paying some royalties to John Byrne or something along those lines. It's cheaper to just use the character's name, which probably is owned by Marvel or Disney and just make some crap with it that is vaguely inspired by the source material.

[@FratterKnox]

I totally agree, this was a low hanging smash hit, as far as I’m concerned. Not to mention, She-Hulk is one of the few instances where comic-to-film/tv adaptation wouldn’t require many significant changes for realism or major narrative updates for modern societal standards and issues.

[@DerichndofCoomland]

@@JoaoPedroPT696 I'm notsure how Hollywood math works but Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and John Buscema are all given writing credits on IMDB as creators of the characters (Hulk and She Hulk). So I guess your point stands that they did not want to tell actual stories from the beloved comics.

[@JoaoPedroPT696]

@@DerichndofCoomland Stan Lee was the creator, but if they want to use something specific from the John Byrne run, for example, they still need to pay royalties because they only own the character and would be plagiarizing the story, which is something a big company like Disney shouldn't do, even if they own Marvel.

[@gunjantripathi9271]

almost all of phase 4 heroes are arrogant, narcissist and think of themselves better than every hero before them. and MCU writers want us to celebrate that

[@snappyego908]

Don't include my boy Spidey in this.

[@gunjantripathi9271]

@@snappyego908 he is not a phase 4 hero...he was here before

[@snappyego908]

@@gunjantripathi9271 yeah but he's kinda the face of MCU now and nwh was the last great marvel movie.

[@gunjantripathi9271]

@@snappyego908 Yes he is the face cause all the other Heroes suck now

[@snappyego908]

@@gunjantripathi9271 Hawkeye kinda okay

[@gavinhogberg]

These reviews of She-Hulk are genuinely more entertaining/interesting than the She-Hulk show

[@garrick5873]

This is a really good review with great points. Another big problem with the show is how disinterested Jen is with being She-Hulk, if she's not interested then why should the audience be interested? She's practically immortal now and she could crush a rock to dust with her hand - she should be fascinated by this, and exploring it more. She views becoming She-Hulk as so mundane that it's one of the most unrealistic aspects of the show, an aspect that makes the show boring...

[@BWMagus]

Probably because the writers think being a lawyer is all clever ideas and emotional speeches, and not 99% paperwork.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

They write it so Jen doesn't want to be a superhero and admit they themselves can't write courtroom scenes. Thus we can't have superheroics and legal stuff in a show about a superhero lawyer. That's just brilliant, isn't it?

[@dmonk926]

All they had to do for cost effectiveness was hire a larger actress, have her put on 10lbs muscle,, paint her green, use blocks to stand on and perspectives. Unlike Hulk, who characteristically has disproportionately huge hands and feet, and is otherwise inhumanly huge, She-Hulk is proportional. I always thought Brooke Shields would have been great as She Hulk when she was mid 30s for this reason lol.

[@furionmax7824]

Actually they could've done what they did with Ruffalos Hulk. The first avengers hulk was designed using the body of a top ranked male stripper and they stuck Marks head on top of it. That's all they did. And for Jens hulk form all they had to do was find a light weight female body builder, wrestler, or MMA fighter or even a female basketball player bc those girls are tall as hell. CGI a layer or two of muscle on them and then stick Jens head on it. And it's not like muscular or athletic girls aren't that hard to come by. There's tons if you know where to look. Cycling. Basketball, track and field. Cheerleading. Personal trainers. There's actually a female body builder in Russia that's the Doll Faced Strong Girl. Shes a blonde Russian girl that's cute as can be and can deadlift nearly two fifty. And when I say cute. I mean CUTE! she's the real live She Hulk.

[@furionmax7824]

Her name is Julia Vins. And shes called Muscle Barbie.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

Sigourney Weaver, Gina Carano or Frankie Adams; come to mind.

[@MegaSpideyman]

@D Monk Indeed. I suggested that myself and someone else did too. I wonder why they didn't do it?

[@johnstrawb3521]

@@furionmax7824 Vins is 5'-5" fwiw.

[@theelder4797]

"OMG The Avengers are so bad! Incels and orphans, like yuk!" They say this about the team who saves earth multiple times and you wouldn't be alive without them, but yeah, so ick!

[@Rommulo35628]

But it's so empowering and bold when a woman says that!!

[@markhester6556]

They obviously mad at the fact that they are indeed alive and have to continue existing along with Men. Like eww! 🤣

[@anthonyf616]

Orphans 💀

[@spooderman6312]

Bro why are they orphans that is so horrible. I'm glad this stronng independent woman reminds us of how bad they are

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Yeah but that was all an East Coast thing. California doesn't know or care about New York or Wokeanda.. They could actually have made her so focused on her career threat she was literally oblivious, made a joke out of it even, but no, can't be doing that.

[@hubertdenise3100]

I love how she gets all annoyed at how she didn’t win her case.Yes she did stop Titania, and yes she stopped her lobbing a bench at the jury, but that is bias, since they would then immediately go on her side.That’s what I want to see, her learning that she isn’t going to get everything handed to her on a platter.

[@KhorneBrzrkr]

@@crazyrabbits This. This is why I can’t watch military dramas, why my police friends can’t watch police dramas, why my medical friends can’t watch medical dramas, etc. It wouldn’t take much effort at all to get the details right. The payoff would definitely be much greater than the cost, but Hollywood just can’t be bothered.

[@cheradenine1980]

I’d probably stop watching it then.

[@johndoe-dj3iy]

@Jason Frawley exactly she is super but sure is no hero, any fireman is more of a hero than she will ever be.

[@MeltonCrest]

@Jason Frawley Because wombs get everything handed to them and still complain, as this show demonstrates.

[@bad-people6510]

Since I didn't watch the show, was she prosecution or defense? Because one of those loses MOST of the time.

[@LifesGuardian]

I loved the thrashing you gave this abomination of an MCU series. Your points about how much better the firing could've been had they stuck to the "party girl" aspect of the comic character was remarkable and showed that you do have some genuine desire to see this show done right. Many tear this crap down just for the sake of the clicks, but I can see how good this show could've been had it not been corrupted by "the message".

[@rogerborg]

Credit where it's due, Tatiana Maslany actually does a solid job trying to make such an irredeemably fragile, vapid, shallow, self-absorbed, narcissistic character sympathetic. But no amount of pleading lash-batting can fix the writing. Imagine if she were given anything at all to work with beyond "victim" and "victor".

[@olivercrespo2329]

I’d really love for Marvel to release a pie chart of their main demographics. Would really love to see what percentage of their audience this show is meant to appeal to 😂

[@CATAZTR0PHE]

Especially after recent news that CW was watched mainly by 60+ audience 😅

[@ABC-sc2ip]

The show is supposed to appeal to just the cast and the those in the writer's room.

[@Platinum199]

@@CATAZTR0PHE civil war or another movie/show?

[@CATAZTR0PHE]

@@Platinum199 woke shows. CW was sold two (?) weeks ago and they revealed reports about audiences - and these woke shows was watched mainly by 60+ white males. I'm NOT kidding 😂 If you want to know more search for "cw audiences" here on yt.

[@spacexmyneighbor]

And that is the only funny thing about this show, who are the idiots enjoying it?

[@GK_4K]

this made me think to how messed up would spider-man have been if disney had the rights 💀💀💀 thank god for sony (can’t believe am saying that)

[@John-Doe-Yo]

Yeah

[@Sixma-ej5vp]

Disney: "Spiderman? No, we simply cannot tolerate that. We need a Spidergirl. Take that rich narsasstic playboy Ironman and make him the villain of the story. Millions will flock to theaters to watch it. trust." Sony: (Insert J Jonah Jameson laugh gif)

[@ytbubble]

@@Sixma-ej5vp lmao

[@diamondinvr]

Sony's reputation is actually positive in my eyes now. Spiderverse was that good

[@johnsargent7706]

Marvel is still in charge of making the films though? Sony just has the rights to it.

[@loganm986]

Imagine having cultural folk heros that do the right thing because it is right and not do it for selfish gain.

[@thematerialfish3105]

Isn’t that a common trope though? Hero uses powers for self gain before realizing they need to stop being a dick

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

But they believe smashing the patriarchy, defunding police, banning cars, cod-communism and making race reparations are the right thing. Therefore anything done in service of those aims is good and righteous, not selfish. There is no reasoning with those people.

[@ourculture4407]

@@OsellaSquadraCorse And might I add any time the race conversion comes up it’s to only further female issues

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

Imagine Spiderman after missing months of rent seeing Jen say that superheroes are narcissit millionaires while she lives in an appartment bigger than any house he's lived in

[@FranciscanGypsy]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 her little speech is also so dismissive of people like Matt Murdock who does the superhero thing and works full time as a lawyer. Jenn doesn’t have to be a superhero, but it would be nice for her to show respect for those people who make sacrifices to help other people in their crazy world. And what’s with adding “adult orphans” in her derisive list? Said differently, the line where she lists the “normal” candidates for superheroes could have been funny (that could have been a great 4th wall break if she used a jokey conspiratorial tone), but it just came off like she didn’t think well of the groups she listed, or she thought them privileged. I’m pretty sure Spider-Man, Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones, & Luke Cage would disagree (and Bruce Banner if they hadn’t watered him down and stopped acknowledging his trauma).

[@cesar6447]

It's funny how if a men acted like she hulk, he would be tagged like an example of "toxic masculinity" PD:I refuse to believe you don't know the critical drinker.

[@asimovvomisa4040]

He knows him as he was a guest in one of the ... aargh what are they called ? after bar ? (the "podcasts" with the drinker and Mauler as the host and some guests talking about shows/TV/movies etc)

[@SeanWickett]

The best deconstruction of Marvel's self-destruction I've watched this week. Very thorough, congrats.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Remember the old days when we could get excited for marvel movies even if they weren't the best, some if them were bad but only got so bad.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

That was when Hollywood was more coke than woke.

[@TrigonAZR]

@@grandmufftwerkin9037 #outwiththewokeinwiththecoke😁

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

I miss when the worst of the mcu was thor 2

[@TheScarletSlayer]

@@Amartin-mu6oj even that wasn't so bad looking back on it.

[@casualcausalityy]

Is that a She Hulk writer? I'm gonna go talk to it

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Lol

[@pikkyeaterz]

This show is the opposite of what Marvel needs right now.

[@Rommulo35628]

Pretty sure it's the opposite of what media in general needs right now. No one wants MORE woke shit.

[@ithamarlowe2629]

What they need right now? Despite having the highest grossing films and taking all our money. What do they need?

[@pikkyeaterz]

@@ithamarlowe2629 people are starting to lose faith in Marvel. This show has cemented that mentality even amongst the most diehard fans. The money will dry up soon, especially cconsidering what Disney has planned for Phase 5.

[@thespiderman630]

They need to get it right for phase 5 because phase four is a dumpster fire. There is no point to phase four.

[@TheKillaShow]

@@pikkyeaterz Yall still watch every episode and every movie that yall still claim to hate? So what exactly is marvel losing again?

[@Wandervenn]

It sounds way more interesting to watch a party girl get super powers and have to sacrifice her party ways to become a good, responsible lawyer and hero.

[@jaxj968]

YESSS

[@Kinos141]

It's ironic that She-Hulk doesn't understand that rights have to be fought for AS AN ATTORNEY!! Their whole job is to fight for people's rights!! It's what they go to law school for!! Marvel is just choosing anyone to write a script nowadays.

[@eddthehead123]

Also, from what I read online; Chris Hemsworth hates the fact that every movie he is in has a shirtless scene

[@Akiraspin]

Same with Henry Cavill, he really hates sex scenes and any scene where he's shirtless. There's an interview where some lady starts literally groping him and the look on his face is actually heartbreaking. He was extremely uncomfortable.

[@plobclop]

I'd be uncomfortable in his position too ngl. Like the scene that got almost the entire fandom hooked up on Love and Thunder, was the shirtless (actually; naked) scene

[@dizzyheads]

@@Akiraspin I have a feeling if gender treatment was equal this would be blowing up

[@ghostcrackers]

And this is why when (hopefully) I get my fantasy books published, if I EVER am offered a chance at them being movies, I will fight to keep there being no shirtless sexually charged scenes. It's stupid and does not help the plot.

[@banjoskeleton8399]

A series where Marvel basically hired someone who didn't have much experience in making this kind of show, didn't give them any support and didn't indicate any of the practical limitations to them. It seems like a trend at the moment with all the Marvel series and cinema, and I wish they would start hiring people with actual visions of a film and work WITH them to make stories and characters who are fun to watch. Remember, these people brought us films like Iron Man, Avengers and Civil War.

[@JayHR1]

just wanna point out credit for iron man 1 goes to jon favreau

[@imadarif3055]

The writers in an interview said that they didn't know how to write a court scene which makes sense now seeing the 3rd episode. I can't understand how on earth Kevin Fiege gave a show named She Hulk: Attorney at Law, to people who didn't know how to write a court scene.

[@keithscott1926]

@@imadarif3055 Maybe they did because they knew she would fail.

[@m.a.1594]

So a female writer who didnt know how to write courtroom scene or understanding in writing for CGI characters was hired to write a show about a cgi monster lawyer with a cgi monster cousin...I mean I knew diversity quota hiring was a thing but holy shit, at least try not making so fkn ridiculously obvious why the wage gap exists.

[@craigime]

yeah they gotta hit that diversity quota: body-positive asian female= hit show

[@TankHunter678]

The writer does not really need to know how to write for CGI. It is the director and crew that needs to know how to properly integrate the CGI into the scene to pull off what the writer describes.

[@lonelyloser9376]

@@TankHunter678 well the writer failed regardless

[@deviljinmishima]

@@TankHunter678 I agree if it's about high budget projects where about anything is possible. When you're working with on a TV series with a low-ish budget you obviously should avoid writing resource heavy scenes.

[@joshgroban5291]

@@TankHunter678 I gotta disagree. There's still budget and limitations you need to account for when writing a show. I can't just write a scene where 35 dragons have a war and we view 5 dragons backstories, because that doesn't mean the crew even has a budget to design, voice act, create or buy sfx for 35 dragons. Obviously, that's an exaggerated example, but still. If the budget was so low she had to sparingly use she hulk scenes, then it should be written in a way that accommodates she hulk

[@SKPanda1915]

You completely nailed it when you talked about how out of touch the writers are and if they hired adequate writers they could have mad a strong female character who fought for her clients

[@jackk.damonn4753]

"does the avengers have health care?!" as shes a hulk with a healing factor

[@CATAZTR0PHE]

2:38 "She-Hulk punched me in a vagina" "YESSSSS" 😳 People with brains melted by drugs are more intelligent 🤯

[@TankHunter678]

I am more surprised that she wanted equality for men for how often they are depicted getting punched in the balls by wanting to get punched in the vagina and even actually going through with the take.

[@gray.9812]

Watching that clip was cringe asf

[@blackagent4754]

This is why you hire writers with skills, not just because they're women and you want to send a message. Seriously, there are enough stores portraying patriarchal men as evil. It's not only overdone, it's also just outright misandrist and written by liberals who think this is automatically true about men.🗿

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Neo-liberals or pseudo liberals, please... Nothing about those people is in any way "liberal" after all. I wonder if they are now in such trouble that, without really even realising it, they aren't capable of knowing what a good writer is. They have gone so far down this activist rabbit- hole I doubt there are any discerning, capable people left to even do such a simple thing as 'hire good people'. They don't even recognise, as you say, the worn-out and undisguised misandry, so how are they to see a quality screenwriter.

[@blackagent4754]

@@OsellaSquadraCorse No disrespect, but you kind of contradicted yourself when you said they're not liberal at all, but then say that they have a lot of misandry in their work and are so down the rabbit hole. They have liberal talking points like feminism to the point of misandry, which is one of the biggest foundations for liberalism and left-wing thought.

[@marcelinauy9037]

Funny thing is that there's a lot good female writers in the industry, The Boys season 2 for one. But that writer hates corporate feminism so those kinds of females gets their ovary privileges revoked 🥲

[@blackagent4754]

@@marcelinauy9037 We need more Muslim writers, who are actually conservative enough and against corporate feminism and liberalism to completely overthrow the narrative and bring us some actually good content. 👌

[@murk4552]

@@blackagent4754 Muslims hate Westernized culture. The fuck are you deluding yourself about? Why would they help us in this American culture war bs?

[@zeethreepio]

So, if Jen’s metabolism returns to normal when she Un-Hulks then she should have been dead after that blow out in episode one. Plus, the same suit for all those interviews??? Lazy costume department - (see Macho-Woman Titania Savage for further example)

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I like the idea that the entire thing ends with that scene in episode 1, and one of those silent one-line explainers serious documentary films wrap up with. “So and so died in prison in 1976. So and so retired and now lives with his family in Michigan. Jennifer Walters suffered catastrophic liver failure and died. She is buried in Mexico.”

[@zeethreepio]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Somewhere in the Multiverse... that's exactly what happened.

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

She-hulk is just a fascinating perspective of narcissism and entitlement. A super hero who doesn't help anyone unless she's helping herself 🤡

[@lastfirst5863]

5:34 I feel you might be giving Gao too much credit, when Feige says “I want to see She-Hulk,” I hear, “you need to ensure this character comes alive on the screen,” but I think Gao heard, “make whatever you want, I believe in you, because you are a powerful girlboss.” And so she went and blew half their CGI budget on a meaningless training montage and fight scene with someone who isn’t even an antagonist. “Yes, I definitely want to spend a large portion of my budget on a dick measuring contest where I declare myself the winner.” A true Insuffragette.

[@BrockSamsonite]

Jen highlighting all the things the avengers don't get like paychecks and health care or retirement, what she basically did was highlight her selfish desires. Heroes sacrifice without asking the cost because they know what's right is worth the cost. Jen is not the person you want as your lawyer. Completely self absorbed

[@OGPimpin]

Shes the perfect lawyer, and the perfect villain

[@jasonfraser7536]

I mean, those are all things that people tend to look for in any job (which most people need because living expenses are actual things).

[@ThyBigCheddar]

@@jasonfraser7536 But saving the world isn't a job. Hell Superman delt with this problem for years. You don't get anything out of being a hero. You do it because its the right thing to do, and because you can.

[@jasonfraser7536]

@@ThyBigCheddar I'm not disputing that, I'm only saying that being concerned over necessary living expenses doesn't make a person selfish.

[@superkingoftacos2920]

I agree that she is self absorbed, but wanting health care, retirement, and a fair wage is pretty reasonable. Why fight for people who will casually allow you to suffer when they could easily help? Not to mention, with the ever increasing supply of super-people to take up the fight, superheroes are becoming less of a demand. But her misandrist scream-lecture in episode 1 does firmly place her in self-absorbed, selfish narcissist territory

[@gandalfthegrey7146]

You just popped up out of nowhere, and you’re already one of my favorite commentary/essay channels. Give us more.

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

Jamilla Jamazil is the actress that plays Titanazonia. Also yes Kevin Feige's success is a fucking myth. Ike Perlmutter and Avi Arid were the men responsible for bringing Marvel to the big screen beginning way back with Blade in 98. They brought in Fiege circa 05-06 to help structure the MCU via Marvel Studios which they were already developing having grown tired of other studios profiting off of their IPs. From early on Fiege had terrible ideas and instincts that weren't implemented because despite being predominantly hands off Perlmutter could still act as a work around or a barrier to Fiege so other producers and creatives could prevent Feige's intervention if necessary. Unfortunately Perlmutter had the wrong politics and Fiege had the right politics, so a few leaked emails and Perlmutter was forced out. Arid seems to have no desire to work with Fiege without Perlmutter (very common in Hollywood) and is focusing on non-MCU Marvel films. So as of now (really since 2017) the MCU is entirely in the hands of Fiege and his acolyte Victoria Alonso and everything we've seen since has been the result. Like so many other success stories in Hollywood the MCU's success was a result of collaboration. A collaboration that no longer exist, and as such the success can no longer continue.

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

@Iwanodón I don't know the guy personally so I can't say for sure if he's sexist or racist. What you're referring to is a leaked memo in which Perlmutter states that "nobody is going to go see a black or female superhero" taken in isolation it's easy to come to that conclusion. In fact this memo is what was used to remove Perlmutter from Marvel. However Perlmutter was primarily a business man and he may very well have just been referencing market trends. Stand alone black and female superhero comics have never sold very well, I mean of all the female superheros that exist I can only think of Wonder Woman having achieved icon status and having her own consistent run. I would argue that Sue Storm, Storm,and Jean Grey have reached icon status, but they're part of a group. For black superheros I would say Spawn was the most iconic until the Black Panther movie came out, although I may be biased on that. By icon status I'm mean that your average normie can recognize the character. As far as movies go you have the first Blade which was a success as well as the sequel, but Blade 3 was a disappointment and aside from Blade the only other black superhero movies prior to the MCU were Steel, Catwoman, Meteor Man, and Spawn, all of which bombed. You do have Hancock but is that really a superhero movie or a Will Smith movie? As far as female superhero movies you have Supergirl and the aforementioned Catwoman which both bombed, Catwoman embarrassingly so. As such if you wanted to sell a black or female superhero movie what would you use? The comics which never sold well? The similar movies which were failures? Your only real options are star power like Hancock or a shared universe which is what Marvel did and arguably as soon as they could. I mean phase 1 had to sell a bunch of B-D list characters, phase 2 had to prove it wasn't a fluke (as well as bolster the brand) and then phase 3 is when we got Black Panther and Captain Marvel, neither of which are particularly good movies and were bolstered by the social optics at the time which is not something a movie studio can recreate. Again I don't know if these were the motivations behind Perlmutter's comments, I'm simply providing an alternative to "racist and sexist" given how over and misused those terms are. As far as female action figures go that I'm convinced is purely based on market research as it's been the case for a long time. There was a whole thing when Star Wars Episode 7 came out where media outlets were complaining that there weren't as many Rey action figures on the shelves as other characters despite her being the main character of the film, I should point out that they weren't complaining that the figures were hard to get, rather that they weren't as prominently or numerously displayed as other characters. The reason for this is because Hasbro didn't make a disproportionate amount of Rey figures because they knew she wouldn't sell as much to boys between ages 6-11 who are the primary sales target and she didn't. It's not so much about the characters being female (granted it is a factor given the target demographic) as much as it is the popularity of the character overall. If you were making toys for the 2nd Avengers movie for example, and your data from all the toys of the previous movies showed Ironman sold 5x better than other characters, Captain America and Hulk 3x better, Thor 2x, and Black Widow and Hawkeye about the same. Would you manufacture an equal amount of each character and force retailers to stock an equal amount? Or do you make more of the characters that sell more and have retailers display them more prominently? Another example would be, let's say DC puts out an action figure line consisting of Wonder Woman, The Question, Parasite, Mr. Miracle, and Calender Man, and Wonder Woman outsells the other figures 10 to 1. What would the more likely conclusion be, that the female character outsold the male characters because she's female, or that the iconic character outsold the obscure characters because she's iconic? Sorry for the long response but I like to be thorough in my replies and I thank you for reading it all.

[@tanimal3964]

Jamilla is ridiculously progressive screeching constantly about "fatphobia" and worrying about stilly fucking pronouns.

[@rayronnyd4659]

@@thefilthyrhombus3856 great comment. Very articulate and reasonable.

[@bossycoconut847]

@@thefilthyrhombus3856 The issue is that when a black or female super hero property does bad commercially, it's assumed that's it's because people don't want to see black or female super heroes or properties rather than that movie just being bad. Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman's have shown that there is a market for these types of heroes.

[@whiplash2891]

World: Is about to end She-Hulk: that sounds like a you problem. It's my day off

[@Joe-in2kp]

Tony Stark: Over come your arrogance Hulk: Take control of your emotions She-Hulk: Do whatever you want girl, and don't let anyone make you feel bad for it. It's crazy, how these people see Tony Stark and think "See people praise his arrogance." And think they can just let a character do whatever they want. There is actual balance to this. Tony Stark is highly intelligent, and it is common to have a weakness of arrogance if you are always the smartest person in the room. Tony Stark also is a dick in an endearing way -- usually for the funny parts. He doesn't actually belittle someone by making THEM smaller. He just makes HIMSELF bigger. This way, we the viewers know his actions aren't to attack that person, but to praise himself and highlight his arrogance. She-Hulk runs around making people SMALLER than her (Or the writers do for her). Not simply making herself bigger. That's the difference. One is a bully, the other is just a bombastic prick.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Dammit I’m gonna have “stereotypical, patriarchal, beta male fuckwit” stuck in my head for days

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I might set it to music if I do another video, just for you.

[@TrigonAZR]

Also, Your analysis are sublime and original. Always a pleasure to watch Your videos. You got mentioned on recent Critical Drinker's stream. I'd love to see You on there or maybe do a collab video with Drinker someday

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

There may be some news on that front but no spoilers!

[@TrigonAZR]

@@TheLittlePlatoon can't wait to find out

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

Again? good! I keep mentioning it - even before I realised Mr Brown was a mod on Drinker's streams or that there was a Mr Brown with whom the Lord/LP was acquainted.

[@TrigonAZR]

@@OsellaSquadraCorse it would be awesome to hear them talk, wouldn't it? And if they did a dailogue form video with Drinker's persona, it could be great to see their sense of humour bouncing of each other

[@dragonmac1234]

I can't say I blame you for ignoring She-Hulk: Attorney At Bore after this video, I've watched the first two episodes and nothing has happened. I think I'll just stick with reading my Sensational She-Hulk collection (again) and watching the videos that point and laugh at the woke crap fest this is becoming. With the cancellation of Naomi and Resident Evil after one season, I can see the same fate waiting for this abomination.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I think pointing and laughing is the only thing left to do at this point - and if it gets any worse, I don’t think I’ll be able to resist making more videos!

[@thematerialfish3105]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Gotta get those hate clicks

[@augoosto11]

@@TheLittlePlatoon you just guaranteed it will get fucking bonkers

[@movieexpert18]

I felt that way with Sandman, I might just stick to the graphic novels.

[@JoaoPedroPT696]

Since that woke crap known as Batwoman got cancelled we can only hope the same fate for this crap.

[@commentdouchery2838]

"I can't exist without being a derivative of the Hulk." Yes, that is EXACTLY what you are, Jennifer Walters. By definition you are a derivative of the Hulk.

[@bandit6272]

This show is the perfect example of people taking, "Write what you know" waaay too literally. And I don't mean by being green and strong.

[@newwaveknight1]

But then does th exact opposite, considering the writers don't know how to write courtroom drama and never bothered to learn how.

[@daniell1483]

She-Hulk is one of those shows that you laugh at it, not with it, so to speak. It is so bad, it seems like it is aggressively trying to be poor quality. Any film project is only as good as its premise. You can have the best actors sparking off one another, but if the plot is shit, no amount of spectacle or top-notch actors will be enough to redeem it. This show's writing is terrible, its dialogue and themes are terrible, the actors seem to be giving it their best, but none of this is enough because the damn thing has no soul at all. It is sexist, filled with misandry and double standards. It is unfunny despite being billed as a comedy. The action is bad and scarce, with Death Battle on KZbin giving far more engaging fights. I'm honestly at a loss in trying to understand why the production thought this piece of shit was a worthy addition to the MCU TL;DR: She-Hulk sucks, and the only enjoyment I get out of it is watching this corner of KZbin creators tear it apart.

[@christophertaylor9100]

I do agree that Feige's reputation seems unearned. The comic you are referring to is probably Damage Control, from Marvel. Great concept, not very well executed from what I've read.

[@Dezmod101]

Oh I was just about comment Chase by DC, but Damage Control does line up more with what he's talking about.

[@connorhull9215]

I have never before heard 'prurient' used anywhere except once in a Helloween song. It's always fun to hear relatively obscure words used to good effect and it makes these videos so much more concise and entertaining than they might otherwise be. Great stuff

[@jmace2424]

“Man fights with metal claws in bar brawl.” We not gonna talk about that?

[@terracannon876]

This is the first time I've heard someone say out loud what I've been thinking - that objectification has always been around, it is as natural in the arts as the human figure is, so everyone's concerns about too much or too little is just everyone being hypocrites or not wanting to admit that they do it too. Huh.

[@cttommy73]

@Emma In case you didn't catch this very important detail, why do you think guys like Leonardo DiCaprio, Johnny Depp, Jason Maamoa, Chris Evans, Liam Hemsworth, Hugh Jackman and the tons upon tons of super attractive men, who are very good lookin and manly, plus all the shirtless scenes exist? Why do you think Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey, amongst many others were so popular? To say "objectification" is always and has always been more on women is to ignore history and ignore the fact that men have been objectified as well, but the only difference is, an average to ugly guy isn't out in the streets screaming about it, cause frankly, guys don't care.

[@Darkko88]

@@cttommy73 Exactly, I'm tired of all the feminists bitching about objectification while at the same time drooling over the male MCU characters' shirtless scenes.

[@anotherrandomguy8871]

I might be getting a bit too personal since this is nsfw, but I’ve seen people complain about goth women being objectified/fetishization on a femdom subreddit before, and I’ve seen people complain about nsfw art on that subreddit for portraying women with big breast. How are you gonna be on a Nsfw femdom subreddit, but complain about objectification? If your worried about objectification at all, why would you even be on a nsfw subreddit where could argue that women object men on there via many text post and nsfw art and even images of dudes on leashes? Is there no moral compass for you objectifying others, or when you happily watch others being objectified? Why would you be on anything nsfw related if your really worried about objectification? No one on any porn space would really care about morals and objectification of women or even men. Your right, this is hypocritical.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@whyeventry45 It has not "always" been more on women than men. Go look at ancient depictions of gods from Rome, Greece, Egypt and tell me there aren't just as many men in their statuary and paintings portrayed as the peak of sexual attractiveness as women.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@whyeventry45 oh, snap, you got me there sweetheart, 60 years is definitely more important than six THOUSAND years of history.

[@deppheadsunited2924]

Why don't they just get a female bodybuilder and cover her in green paint like they did with Lou Ferrigno?

[@craigime]

they're too lazy for that... otherwise they would have done that with Titania

[@deppheadsunited2924]

@@craigime True

[@arcanewarrior863]

Probably cus they want to still make male fans horny, and they think buff women aren't attractive to them

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

So tokenization is a problem, said in the show, unironically? Pardon me, while I rofl at the dissonance.

[@michelelyons9410]

This just gets batter and better. They film a show that is heavy in CGI and court scenes, and hire writers that know nothing about CGI or court scenes. Even saying it sounds more like a stupid joke than the reality that it is.

[@edenmckinley3472]

I just realized that if we're applying real life consequences to what happened in Eternals, that statue should've upset the natural flow of the currents and underwater eco-system, which would in turn affect other currents and ecosystems. The change in currents would affect the fishing industry, which would affect the economy of many countries largely dependent on fish as their main export. Also, after the blip, the world had to have experienced a crippling economic depression and a huge stockmarket crash. When people are panicked and sure the world has ended -- or is going to end -- they aren't going to invest. They might not even show up for work. There would have been a decrease in the amount of professionals, opening up more jobs in that area and allowing people to move up. But there also would have been a decrease in the amount of laborers, which for the US would likely mean having to outsource the labor to other countries. This would in turn affect the US's public relations. A post-blip world would have a very different outlook on life and wouldn't line up with the world as we know it. Compare pre-corona American culture to post-corona American culture. There seems to be a heightened awareness of introverted vs. extroverted personalities, greater (or lesser if you're conservative) reliance on the government, and a broader understanding of the affects of depression. Even fashion has molded itself to this new world view -- all clothing is advertised as comfy and versatile. Which makes sense. After being cooped up in their houses during quarantine, many professionals realized that they didn't want to go back to wearing stuffy office wear, and the fashion industry adapted accordingly. So it's safe to say that more things would have changed in that five year gap between the Blip and Thanos's defeat than just dead loved ones coming back to life. And to add insult to injury, the return of half the world's population five years later would stretch the already strained economy. I'm not a specialist, but it only takes a gilpenful of common sense to work this out. Honestly, at this point, that level of realism would be kinda refreshing and could even provide a window for great comedy and social commentary, if done right. Ahem, I shall repeat *if done right*. I apologize for this long and rather nerdy rant which has nothing to do with the dumpster-fire of a show commented upon in the video above. If you've made it this far, here's a cookie. 🍪 And a donut, because I feel charitable. 🍩

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

No need to apologise, I agree! It was the only interesting bit of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. A pretty awful show, but at least it *tried* to account for the social and (admittedly very few) economic consequences of the blip. You could’ve done a whole phase rebuilding from the ground up, facing smaller-scale and local threats arising from the chaos the world had been thrown into. But now, apparently, we’re just kind of done with all that and back to jaunty adventures across the universe that nobody really cares about.

[@boully1381]

At the end when she is told Abomination has escaped. They couldn't have her go into a fit of rage and break something? I mean she just got off the phone with Bruce to ask for his blessing to take the case, she should be genuinely angry. But I guess who doesn't love a hulk show where the character can keep their emotions in check...

[@robchuk4136]

I kept waiting for Jen to make asides to the camera during her family visit, but it never happened. That seems like the most logical scenario to break the fourth wall (we can all relate to awkward family dinners) and they missed it. The show doesn't even know when best to use its own gimmick.

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

So somehow 25 million per episode is still not enough to keep Jen in her She-Hulk form? Jeeezzzzzzz

[@raymondgutierrez5421]

Wow 25 million? Could've paid me that and i would've taught myself how to cgi and direct better than that

[@jjrothan]

Love what you said about Jen looking at the avengers like a job, like that’s not what being a hero is. Like you said, it’s about duty and sacrifice, and that’s what makes them special. It really makes you think about the difference between people worrying about petty things when there have been soldiers and people who fought for our freedom to worry about that stuff. Puts things into perspective.

[@ZeroKitsune]

People have pointed out that for normal people it's not really selfish to want benefits like that for working a job, but...that's not really the way they set up that scene. She comes across like she's blowing off all the sacrifices the Avengers have made because she's not arguing that THEY deserve things like pensions, she's arguing that SHE does. She doesn't seem to care if the Avengers have anything if she's not going to join them.

[@BWMagus]

Also, one has to wonder how/why Tony Stark, when alive, wouldn't have ensured all his buddies at least had enough money to live on. Or why Stark Industries wouldn't continue that. This is to say nothing of the bajillion dollars they could earn doing advertisements and endorsements. It's not like there are thousands of Avengers; it's a handful of people, don't tell me some rich guy somewhere wouldn't buy them some houses and cars and wi-fi.

[@cordels.1179]

Imagine the Newest Avenger movie comes out, the Big Evil CGI Army Invades, The New Avengers Assemble, everyone getting their own cool shots and poses, ect. and then Jen-Hulk looks at the camera and says “We’re getting paid overtime for this right?” The levels of cringe would be astronomical!!

[@Doginatank6896]

They miss the point of being a hero- Being a hero should bring out the best in a person for the greater good in bad-worse situations. You see that in Captain America and the other avengers (excluding Captain marvel). It shouldn't be about money but stepping up to a task NO ONE ELSE can take because they don't have- power, ability, knowledge, strength, etc.

[@Darkko88]

Imagine the Avengers being like "We would love to go fight Loki's army but we won't until the USA government gives us a salary and allows us to have 30 days of paid holiday a year".

[@Doginatank6896]

@@Darkko88 I'd say that would work in a parody of it, not a serious story What's bad is that's followed by everyone acting like different versions of Jen.

[@ZeroKitsune]

I think maybe that scene would have worked if she were arguing that the Avengers deserved to be treated better than they actually were, but she really makes it sound like she only cares about their benefits and pension plans if she's going to be part of it and not otherwise.

[@Doginatank6896]

@@ZeroKitsune Agreed. Especially for the avengers who aren't better off like Stark.

[@dizzyheads]

Hawkeye literally is a badass by working with such titans Makes me appreciate him more

[@03stmlax]

When the review of the episode is longer and more interesting to watch than the episode itself

[@spoiler321]

This channel is fantastic. So good to see the power of analysis putting the feet of cheap entertainment to the fire! Because it's so much fun. Little Platoon, Mauler, Fringy, Critical Drinker, Disparu, and others are my new sports heroes. It's like watching a pro quarterback eviscerate an obnoxious, untalented amateur team that deserves to be obliterated.

[@digitalfantasies4570]

SORRY FOR SUCH A LONG COMMENT: I feel like the best story they could have given for Jen is to start off the show with her as a successful lawyer and to slowly show her mental decline as she losses everything due to being she-Hulk, for example: Ep 1. In the opening moments of the show, we see Jen's friend and boss in the courtroom, some time goes by with them seeming impatient. Jen then appears into the courtroom and seems pretty disheveled, she then starts the case, as the case goes on the people on her end seem quite weary of what Jen is saying as she talks, the reasoning is hinted at by Jen showing signs of a headache and slight nausea. Jen wraps up her concluding statement and she wins the case. She then leaves the courtroom and talks to her boss and her friend, she makes a joke about how she shouldn't have drunk the night previously, her boss double downs on it saying it was dumb of her and shell be fired if she keeps making disturbances in court by showing up drunk. She makes another joke saying it's not like he would actually fire her since Shes the best attorney at his firm, he shows a strict face and walks away. Jen and her friend chat a little and Jen asks her if she wants to go to the bar to celebrate, her friend says yes but only if she drinks just a little bit since she has another court case coming up. Quick cut to them both absolutely getting drunk at the bar, clearly multiple bottles in, Jen is clearly getting way too into the partying mood. as the scene continues her friends say they are leaving and Jen should come with, Jen says shell stay behind, some time passes and she gets harassed by some people at the bar, so she decides to leave, while walking down the street she then gets catcalled and harassed some more resulting in her threatening the other person due to her intoxication, a fight then ensues and she gets badly injured, the camera pans out showing her in the alleyway as an ambulance siren is heard in the distance, obviously not immediately but suggesting someone called and an ambulance eventually shows up. It then cuts over to Bruce who gets a phone call from Jen's mom talking about how shes in the hospital and the doctors cant help her since theres some sort of mutation with her blood that shes had since birth making it impossible for her to accept any other blood, Bruce obviously understands its the same mutation he has and makes the choice to go to the hospital to save her, resulting in She-Hulk. I feel like there's some stuff that could be fixed in there, but I feel like something along those lines would be so much better, showing she hulk as someone who parties a lot would make a bunch of sense. I feel like this can be extended by making it so after everything happens with her being she hulk she then talks to her boss, and she gets fired because she only got attacked because she threatened the man while drunk and she should have just gone home with her friends. Which is incredibly unfair of the boss to think that way but follows through that if she wasn't so obsessed with drinking then none of what happened that night would have happened, she wouldn't be a monster and would still have her job. Obviously, this results in more depressive problems and results in her expensive partying lifestyle to be ruined, she can't afford that stuff anymore, nor can she afford a place to stay. She spends the rest of her rent money on alcohol instead of finding a new place and that's why she immediately jumps on the chance to be a part of the superhuman law division, everything else still plays out similarly with Emil Blonsky and also similarly with her not getting a job at other places. I just feel like a massive dose of depression and alcoholism would help her character. I mean Bruce did attempt suicide at one point (Something constantly overlooked about his character) so I feel like it will make sense if Bruce continues to be yoga focused but not so Jen can control she hulk, but so Jen can control herself.

[@RanMouri82]

Though it would humanize Jen to have her get fired for partying too much or being inappropriate at work, the writers would never do that. It would mean critiquing their own wine mom behavior.

[@John-Doe-Yo]

They did hulk dirty. Where’s his solo film trilogy or tv show? After Edward Norton’s movie they put him on the sidelines.

[@keiondarby9869]

are you stupid, marvel legally cant make a solo film or trilogy because of how universal wants to handle things, "they" didnt do hulk on dirty, think before complaining lmao

[@RyuShinkuuHadoken]

Imagine that trying to humanize a female character, she is supposed to be perfect, flawless from the start.

[@32nikral]

Bro we need you for EVERY EPISODE!!! Don’t stop!!!!! 🙌🏾

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Damn it, the last time someone asked nicely I made this whole video! Well… we’ll see. It’s not *impossible* I could do this alongside Rings of Power,,,

[@thepainzain4280]

Agreed.

[@gray.9812]

@@TheLittlePlatoon For this, you got a new sub brother.

[@JoaoPedroPT696]

A break down for every episode until it gets pulled out is basically public service at this point.

[@devilfruitenjoyer2930]

I feel like I’m listening to Vision hyperintelligently explain what’s wrong with modern MCU.

[@RanMouri82]

Thank you for pointing out the blatant misandry in She-Hulk's script. Did it not dawn on the female writers that the females they wanted to watch the show might be insulted by their painting every man as awful? We have fathers, brothers, cousins, sons, and male friends who are--gasp!--not total douchebags.

[@JeremySayers38]

These women see all men as douchebags, they see what they want to see. If they saw the truth they would be sicken by themselves so they create a world in their head so as to validate their behaviour. It is very common in upper middle class professionals as they are protected by HR and the Police from being physically assaulted. Working class people know they would get punched in the face so behave according.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

19:20 Paralegal here, while the trial in theory was interrupted, in theory they could reconvene. However, because Jen saved the Jury from getting squashed that effectively would make them biased in her favor, thus making it impossible for them to give an impartial decision, which is required both the Jury and Judge have to be completely neutral as if they aren't they'll either get replaced or as we see here, a mistrial is called. And since the case was literally at the Closing Argument stage there was basically no way to do the case over again.

[@eanderson9599]

this show is a blessing, I love watching content on it. Never have I seen something so aggressively terrible

[@ZeroKitsune]

Never seen the show. Keep watching more and more videos about how terrible it is! I'm getting endless entertainment without paying a dime, all thanks to She-Hulk! Well no let's be fair, the people making these videos put a lot of work into them...we'll call She-Hulk an...inspiration.

[@redface7958]

Notice she’s always influenced by other women an anytime i male suggests anything she wears the pants and is assertive 🤔🤔 agenda I like how she cuts men off in conversation and start serving up her word salads and it’s only 2 episodes in

[@Darkko88]

She was doing that in the first episode.

[@alpharoo2581]

I get your point but please spell correctly, this comment was hard to follow

[@Snoopdag]

@@alpharoo2581 it was like two words which was and,and a 💀if you can’t understand that maybe you need to learn how to put a sentence together

[@NecroticFarron]

I have always advocated for the distinction between sexual appreciation and sexual objectification, with the excuse of the latter being used in good, nuance taste. Your discussion on the objectification bias present really helps in hammering home those beliefs. Well said!

[@ysgramornorris2452]

I'd rather advocate for the distinction between objectification and lust. Just because you lust after someone doesn't mean you see them as an object to have sex with as you please. Just because you look at someone and want to sleep with them doesn't mean you see them as a walking sex toy. That's something a real human being would understand.

[@NecroticFarron]

@@ysgramornorris2452 Agreed! Unfortunately the word 'lust' gets a bad rep for being associated with sin. Mileage varies.

[@anaclararodas4833]

I really can't care less for the tv shows and movies that are coming out lately, I just watch your reviews because I really like your voice and sense of humour. 😂

[@cmmndrblu]

this is why it's like fanfiction. The writers are writing themselves

[@Darkko88]

That's a self insert, not fan fiction. No one fan of the She Hulk comics would write something this bad.

[@JoaoPedroPT696]

@@Darkko88 yes, good fan fiction usually respects the original character.

[@assassinscreedwalkthroughs7314]

How dare you disparage a woman of color!

[@1bridge11]

Is she a member of the Green race?

[@ThubanDraconis]

@@1bridge11 She's in "Green Face" which is racist against those poor Orion women who are still held in slavery.

[@lukeford9803]

i have to say i missed being bullied in high school but now there’s a whole season of she hulk for me to endure

[@Astro_seeker1987]

Stan Lee carried the MCU up until his passing and final movie “endgame”, after that everything went to hell including his comic book characters…sad and disappointing.😒😒😒 “No way home” however was great and that’s because Jon Watts kept his world perfect unlike most of Disney’s marvel woke saga not including spider-man thank god, who knows what they would’ve done with Pete if Sony hadn’t saved the day.

[@sovereign9708]

On the topic of the name she hulk, I mean from the characters point of view what was she expecting. Having the same powers and look of the hulk but female, you were gonna be associated with the hulk. That’s something that would happen in real world I think.

[@jrd33]

For sure. See for example "Ronda Rousey is the female Mike Tyson, says UFC president Dana White." (twitter). And Ronda Rousey isn't even black!

[@Darkko88]

@@jrd33 Or a boxer for that matter... Dana White is a tool and would say anything that he thinks will make him look good, a few years back a reporter asked him about the UFC having female fighters and he laughed in his face and said that was never going to happen.

[@sovereign9708]

@@jrd33 ok one, a horrible comparison if you’re trying to prove me wrong and two, one person saying that which flat out isn’t true, they’re nothing alike while hulk and she hulk both are green, super strong, get angry to activate powers. You see my point, you’re example is shit

[@Pie3766]

There is a way to make the end credits scene better later on much like the other scenes you have mentioned. That is that this keeps happening in the office. That she is asked to carry heavy folders, lift heavy things and drop what she is doing to assist with things that a man is normaly expected to help with and it's a recurring thing. To the point she gets resentful that she never has time to do her work for helping with everyone elses just because she is stronger than them, giving her an insight into a mans world and more importantly into the world of helping people, and how easy it is for her with her new found power to do things that other can't but that it comes at the cost of a little bit of freedom. Huge tangent incoming: From there it could expand out into being treated different by the other members of the office, they are wary about her, she her as a threat, people avoid standing near her, dont return friendly, banter generally act awkward around her and she could come to realise it's because of fear (all of the things a large man has to deal with them being profiled as a threat). Mabye they could even have one of the ladies in the office be a new mother and she brings the baby in to see her work friends and jen wants to interact with the cute baby like all the others but they get defensive when she comes over all lovie-dovie like the other women because she is the she-hulk they see her as a predator and shield the baby. She then begins to realise this is how she has been treating the men in her life. She always assumes they're available to do physical things for her cause they're stronger than her. She always assumes they are quick to violence because of things inherent to them (being men in there case and being a hulk in hers). She always assumes the worst of them and never lets her guard down. This is what leads here to being single- to the men she is dating, she is presumptuous, jaded, and close minded. This is backed up by not only not taking the lawyers advice at the start but dismissing it out of hand (as i think disparu* pointed out the other lawyer was using an "as a man my client had the natural urge to defend blah blah blah" excuse. Would it not be more effective for another man to argue back "as a man thats a load of drivel"). Never taking bruce seriously and belittling his struggles. You could even have it come to light that the actual reason for her firing was that she was a toxic work partner, never taking others advice into consideration and dismissing their successes as being a a product of their sex not their skills. Even have it that they set her up to work with beta male lawyer in the hopes that one or both would quit cause neither could work well with anyone else and the paralegal has follwed her to several lawfirms because shes the only one willing to always "yas queen!" everything she says (giving reason to why she mentions she wants to hire her own paralegal in this episode, this sort of thing having happend before). This strengthens the family scene: why her family harp on about the job, cause she can never seem to hold one for long even though the hulk news should be bigger, they see the job thing as a long standing issue that needs tackling first. All this humanises her, gives her flaws and the audience begins to see by the end mabye the whole show is a bit of a forth wall break, she hulk is telling the story making her self seem perfect, trying to convince herself that she isn't flawed and never was but as the show goes on the fasade cracks and fades as her fourth wall breaks start taking more responsibility and she matures and becomes a more rounded charactor. I think it even fits in more with the comics this way. I'm not a reader myself but as i understand it, she-hulk is like a better version of jen, all her better aspects and confidence turned up to eleven. She could notice that everyone likes her better as she hulk the show could use that to have jen reavaluate herself and notice that she is projecting her insecurities on others and deflecting blame and the series could end with her realsing how badly she treated bruce how little she cosidered his feelins and experiences then becoming a more humble likeable person. But anyway back to the end credits scene, if it is the first step in setting up some sort of realisation about how others can end up being unfairly treated for something that is normally seen as a good thing (superior strength) and that somethings you just have to grin and bare it for others benafit, then i will commend the show for its setup that without its proper context comes off as, at worst, pointless and unfunny or at best, kinda neat i guess that shes willing to help her family but is still the shallowest of shallow praise. Just for the record i dont think this is anything more than a shitty attempt at a joke i just thought i would atleast try and show that you can attemp at charactor work with what has been shown. Writers. Please. *Correction it was That star wars girl.

[@LS-cz1cd]

Excited to hear what you have to say about house of dragons 🐉

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Least funny review I’ve ever written - which means there’s not much to mock, which suggests it’s actually quite good! Flawed, definitely, but it’s been nice to focus more on the technical side than “this happened because stupid”.

[@69SalterStreet]

Jen's lack of flaws really illustrates why writing Mary Sues and self inserts is so dangerous. You write your character with the same leeway you give yourself, excusing or "understanding" their bad behavior, hyper focusing on their experience, and perceiving all their motives as worthy and pure. It's nigh impossible for most people to write a self insert like a real human being and it is so cringe and so narratively unsatisfying.

[@Dstryrr]

Spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility. I must protect those who cannot protect themselves from evil and sacrifice my own well-being to protect this city." She-Hulk: "Lol forget helping people! I'm a strong independent woman practicing law11!! I'm going to just be selfish and do what I want!!1!"

[@craigime]

34:59 hold on. the abomination just broke out of prison to have the cage match from Shang-chi? but in the end-credits for shang-chi we saw bruce with his arm still in the sling... isn't that a plot hole? or does the abomination continually break out of jail?

[@hamter5349]

Its an old video, bruce starts off in this show as bruce banner with a broken arm like how Shang Chi ended

[@ratio3836]

@@hamter5349 And then with the power of shit pulling, he’s healed, because wherever he’s being taken to in space, he’s gonna need it for some dumbass reason other than fighting because he’s now smart hulk who no longer has the capability of violence or using his strength because, why not? Definitely not a waste of cgi and money for the cgi.

[@hamter5349]

@@ratio3836 Oh no, I hate she hulk, I was just explaining how technically that wasn't a plot hole or a nitpick and the writers did get the broken arm continuity, shame about all other continuity in the show tho

[@ratio3836]

@@hamter5349 I know, I was just adding on to it

[@powercage]

I don't even care about Cape shit anymore (and I've never cared about Star Wars) but I still love listening to people tear it apart.

[@ironbaysqiureg4827]

I'm already hearing defenses for The fact that you have to watch the shows and movie to Understand what's going on. " it happen to the comics." Which shows how they're not comicbook fan. Because no sane fan like to buy Twenty titles just to get the storyline working. And even then the comic can kind of Recover Because of things like omnibuses and graphic novels that can collect all the material. Tv and movies can't do something like that

[@skylarthomas3033]

Honestly, you could probably do something with her being an alcoholic, gaining her hulk powers and then loosing the solace she feels from getting drunk since she metabolizes so quickly. Drama can be brought from the idea that she can no longer loose her self in the bottle despite maybe wanting to. Like that scene in the first captain America where he lament that he can’t get drunk after he believes Bucky dies

[@sarbnitrof4663]

The way the MCU dealt with the very serious topic of Bruce's rage and guilt was very relatable. They just didn't. Hulk lost a single fight and decided to give up on participating at all. Til magically he was better, off screen. I can relate really well to my issues being glossed over and a woman talking down to me about my suffering and poor mental health.

[@SilverbladeDagger]

The thing about the 4th wall is that there are a handful of Marvel characters that do it, and they do it well. Deadpool, Howard The Duck, The Watcher, and She-Hulk are the ones I recall the most doing it. They know they are comic book characters, and in She-Hulk's case, the law firm she works at uses long boxes of comic books as "legal material and reference", and the comics they used had actual covers of real comic books. So it is kind of farcical. If I recall correctly, the comics had Jen as a insecure, kind of clumsy, shy type woman, and becoming a Hulk kinda lowers the inhibitions and makes you become sort of what you are not. In Banner's case, he was a weakling (by Hulk's description), but extremely smart, like one of the greatest scientific minds in the Marvel universe. Becoming the Hulk he became dumber and savage, but infinitely strong. He gets stronger the more pissed off that he is, and as he says, "Hulk strongest there is!". To help you understand how strong he can be, he once bench-pressed a mountain and held it in place until the other Avengers were able to get out. I don't recall specifics, but a bad guy put him in a force field bubble that would take the same energy that would move a planet out of it's orbit, and Hulk busted out of there by brute force alone. With She-Hulk, it is similar, with obvious exceptions. She isn't strong equal to her anger, and I can't remember her actual limits, but she is no where near Hulk's measured strength. As shy, insecure, clumsy as Jen was, She-Hulk is the exact opposite. I think it even amped up her libido, because she has been shown in the comics having night relations with Juggernaut and later Hercules. Phase Bore has been a disaster, with notable exception to Spider-Man: No Way Home. All these shows have been a bait and switch, and then they made the supposed women heroes the actual villain of the shows. I end up rooting for the actual bad guys. As not great as Iron Fist was, I prefer that and the Netflix MCU over what we're getting now. I wouldn't go as far as to include Marvel's Agents of Shield though, even if I didn't mind the first 2 seasons, after that it was all crap.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Hercules? But wasn't Hercules gay in the comics? Or am I confusing Characters here?

[@SilverbladeDagger]

@@johannesseyfried7933 Maybe sometime after 2012 they made him a gay character, or I think bi, but at the time he was very much a ladies man. You never can tell with Marvel comics because for over 50 years Ice Man was written as a lady laying man whore, and then they made him gay because alphabet points I guess.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@SilverbladeDagger What's even *worse* (and which honestly makes me dislike that version of Iceman even more) was that he was apparently mind controlled into being gay. Using psychic powers to change somebody's sexuality.....that's just.... Eew! That's horrible!

[@Darkko88]

No Way Home had a nonsensical script, the only thing they nailed in that movie was the fan service.

[@SilverbladeDagger]

@@johannesseyfried7933 Which goes against continuity of the comics because all of the "students" at Professor Xavier's school, and on into the X-Men, were trained to be psi resistant, with the core members of the X-Men having psionic blocks in place to protect them and make them more receptive to Professor X's and Jean Grey's mental communication. Unless they did away with that, or encounter a seriously powerful psi villain, no one can really tamper with their minds like that. Well, not without knowing and fighting back.