THEM 909 with Intuition liner aggressive inline skates // FIRST IMPRESSIONS

[@Frmrspecialist74]

Well the adjusted sizing gives us big footed people some hope.

[@diridavy6385]

this yellow frame looks awesome on the skate. great combination!!🥰

[@hansvl1363]

I had the same issue with the darst + intuiton liner, I took off the heelpad and it worked like a charm. Putt a really thin insole between the liner and the skate. hope it works for you aswel. at the moment I am trying adapt skates, but the 909 are really interesting.

[@sanbo20]

I have no personal experience, but I watch a lot of videos and read the comments and stuff and I remember hearing and reading that the Intuition liners do need wearing in, but after you get through that initial period that they are great liners. Hopefully yours get comfortable soon. Great video, keep it up.

[@TheJono13]

Nice top acids! Solid review, I think that heat molding those liners will truly help alot with the toe fit. We shall see. 👍👍

[@ThirtyandRollin]

Great video as always! When did your parks open back up? Super jealous! It is so impressive how much content you are able to push out! Inspiring!

[@BacktoBlading]

We haven’t had any close, aside from the indoor ones. Playgrounds are closed but skate parks aren’t included for some reason. Still not sure I’m ready to go back, lol

[@ThirtyandRollin]

@@BacktoBlading Hmmm interesting. I think I am in the same boat, when ours open up I will give them a few weeks before I starting going back. Or skate early morning with nobody there.

[@andrewwinkelmeyer6503]

Back to Blading my town is the same. No official park closures so I just hit it up at 7am just like you.

[@brocmt]

@@ThirtyandRollin I commented on another of Law's videos about getting kicked out of the last skate park I tried to visit about a month ago. Cop on a bike rolled up and scattered the few of us there, literally right as I finished putting my skates on. Here in norcal, we took shit srsly from the get go. That definitely motivated me to finish my practice rail, and yeah, I've been looking for spots to set it up. Found a parking lot with nice smooth asphalt and a couple traffic cones I can setup to expand my personal impromptu pandemic skate park.

[@aldolega]

You've gootttaa heat-mold the Intuitions. I know they recommend the bag-of-rice technique but I did it in the oven like any other liner or boot and it worked just fine. The difference afterwards was massive.

[@BacktoBlading]

They should put that on the box!!!

[@redenwarriors]

@@BacktoBlading this sentence made me think of Ross from Friends 😂

[@jamseyy]

I had a lot of the same issues as you when I got my intuition V2s about 5 months ago, but they all went away after break-in. They will stretch and compress lengthwise, and the heelpad will compress and get less tall and squishy. I added an insole under the liner and heelpad as well which helps with shock and just filling the boot out a little extra. And I don't know if this is superstition, but I never heat molded mine because I heard it's better to break them in the "hard" way. All I know is they feel great now!

[@Rugerrounds]

I lowered the cuffs and added waxed laces and it changed the entire feel of the skate. They are incredible now.

[@BacktoBlading]

Excited to tinker!

[@stevie-c1471]

I soooooo strongly recommend heat molding intuitions. I've not used the version that comes in THEMs, but i heat mold any time I change my V2s between skates and it honestly makes all the difference. For your toe issue, i recommend trying to make a toe cap of sorts. Either- Cut the toe-end off a thick pair of socks and tape it to the end of your socks you wear to heat mould. Or Make a cap out of some kitchen roll and gaffer tape. Basically, try to heat mold with a couple of milimeters added to your toes to free up some space.

[@Thomas_de_Meijer]

Agreed. Without that they tend to shrink if anything in my experience.

[@jacobs6456]

Are they worth the money if you have to do all that, I find the stock Them liners to be pretty nice. A little heel lift but thats it.

[@JustinThursday]

Jacob S They’re worth the money because you CAN do that. You don’t have to, but if they don’t fit right after the first session it’s super easy to get them to fit.

[@HollyBoni]

@@jacobs6456 You say that like heat moulding is a time consuming and complicated process or something... 😁 Just because something is more expensive, that doesn't mean it will work perfectly out of the box. Sometimes you pay extra not just for the quality, design etc. but so you get the ability to tinker with the product so you can dial everything in perfectly (and that's true for tons of things, think adjustable suspension for a car or something). Some speed skaters and ice skaters will have custom skates made for their foot. That's a bit more money, time and work... If the stock liners work for you and you don't want anything more, then save your money and enjoy skating them. 💪 We're all different.

[@trevornew9278]

Just bought my first pair of them skates and it was the 909 with intuitions. Ordered some oysi mediums with 65/58 combo. Strollerblading and park skating is about to be so much fun

[@BacktoBlading]

Great setup!

[@SunshineMatt]

Stick with the intuition liners. They will give you the space you want. I think it took me about 3-4 hours of skating in them to notice a difference and many more hours after for them to be fully fitted to me. Note I did not heat mold. You mentioned the cuff felt stiff and that you might try the lower setting. I believe Kyle Sola said in interviews that the low setting would be stiffer, but I could be wrong. I am curious to hear more about those two settings compared.

[@BacktoBlading]

Will give it a try and see what each cuff setting is like

[@SaschaReichertVideoBlog]

Nice first impression. Can’t wait to see what you think after breaking them in a bit more.

[@thephorest]

Glad to see you back at the park! 909s look really nice.

[@BacktoBlading]

Honestly, was a bit weird. I don’t think I’ll be back there for a while. Felt great to skate again though!

[@djrealyouth5499]

Thanks for the reviews as always! It seems like sizing is one of the only big drawbacks to this beautiful skate. I'm a size 9, about 260mm.. If I bought 909's I would go for the small shell and use a thin liner.. But after seeing so many people selling them because the shell was too tight for them to downsize, or upsizing was too loose, I'm pretty hesitant. I know it will be a while before you do a review of these skates with a different liner, but I'd love to hear how they feel for you with your Reign V3's when you get a chance! The V3's made my Aeons fit perfectly when the stock liners were too tight around the toes. I'm curious if they have the same effect in the 909. I love the Aeons, but I would like to have a ufs boot as well, so I can slap on some of those red 50/50 frames and have an antirocker set up.

[@BacktoBlading]

I think that’s a great idea. The Reign v3 are less expensive and should be a great upgrade from stock.

[@SunshineMatt]

If it helps, I bought the 908 blue with intuition liners and my foot measures 255 mm. When I first wore the setup, my toes went numb within 30 minutes. It took about 4 hours of skating to feel them start to really break in, now i have more wiggle room for my toes than i expected, but think they fit great. The break in was pretty brutal and I wore the thinnest socks I could find but now I feel like it was worth it.

[@HollyBoni]

260mm is more like an 8, but sizing is so all over the place that it's irrelevant. I think at 260mm the smalls would be a very good fit. People who find the smalls too small and the mediums a bit too roomy are usually in the ~275mm range. A lot of skates lack a "true" 9.5-10-ish shell. In this range you usually you either get boats that are more like an 11, or something that's too small.

[@djrealyouth5499]

Back to Blading Thanks for the feedback. I just got back to skating in February at 34.. Found your channel about 6 months prior to that. Seeing this community helped motivate me to take my passion for skating seriously again. Respect!

[@djrealyouth5499]

Boni Hollóssy thanks for that feedback! I have seen a couple people with 265mm feet complaining about the small being way too tight, which was what worried me. I might hold out til Julio releases the next round. Seems like these ones already sold off... which is amazing and heartwarming to see!

[@SkateTutor]

It seems many of the wizard skaters put the insoles underneath the Intuition liner rather than inside it. I look forward to a review from you on that.

[@vinsongotingco5753]

Definitely took some time for my Them Intuitions to break in, even after heat molding. But after a few sessions it was amazing. I completely felt the difference when I skated with the them stock liner or my usd aeons.

[@BacktoBlading]

Can’t wait

[@pm2007est]

pretty stylish skate, top acid looked pretty cool

[@chilli-iceolive-abode2447]

I'm so jealous of your session. Such beautiful weather and such a clean, well maintained, empty skatepark! It's what dreams are made of. Is this forward leaning style of boot a new thing? Cuz I don't recall ever having that issues years ago.

[@BacktoBlading]

It’s not new, it’s the way most skates are actually. I’ve found that less heel raise feels better for me. Most people probably wouldn’t notice tbh

[@chilli-iceolive-abode2447]

@@BacktoBlading So I just checked my Haffeys and you're right, it's obviously pretty common. They have a fair old rise at the heel, I've just never noticed. I guess I'm used to that slight forward lean. 👍

[@ygorhm]

I have two 908, the first ivory and the new blue one. They are different materials, the cuff of the old 908 is softer than the blue one. I think the 909 has the same stiffness of the last run of 908

[@chrisdeister7745]

My foot is just a bit smaller than yours, but I hit the end of the THEM intuition liner with my toe, and my right toe always hits the end of a V2 intuition liner in an SX boot. I have always had good luck with just skating a few sessions in the intuitions to get the space. They pack out on their own sooner than you might imagine. This is the same thing everyone says about every liner. But, I really think you will pack that out without heat molding. Good luck with or without heat molding, and without the heel shock.

[@BacktoBlading]

Thanks. I think I’ll try to hold off on the heat molding, but that heel raise has to go

[@jhenninge]

A lot of those issues will fade in a few sessions and heat mold. Cuff softens up and boot gets flexible. I also lowered the cuff. Very customizable boot love it.

[@BacktoBlading]

Excellent! Excited to dial these in

[@SpaceTurkey_33]

Awesome video! Keep up the good work. Stay safe

[@Danielson1818]

I believe they purposely made the cuff stiffer, because the 908's had a tendency to bend too far off the boot during royales. I'm sure the liner will break in after a few sessions. The only major issue seems to be heel lift for you, so I'd just take it out and add a full insole.

[@Joey.Oranje]

Those with red frames are on my wishlist.

[@BacktoBlading]

Black souls for the red frames would be very nice

[@freestyleskater4337]

I had Intuition V2 liners some time ago and my opinion was that they were too short for there width and height (or too wide and heigh for their length). In a Small I had the snugg fit I would expect from them, but they were too short. The Medium had the right length, but felt too roomy. I also didn't like that they make a lot of noice in plastic shells. How is the noice with those 909/Intuitions ?

[@BacktoBlading]

I’ll keep trying, hope they break in soon. What noise? Like squeaking?

[@claudioantonelli2725]

I would definitly try to play with the cuff height. nad maybe an insole between the shell and the liner might help a bit against shock. Cool clips.

[@noodles806]

I just got the 909's and was ready to return them as I was getting some really uncomfortable bite and squeezing around the ankle bones. Lowered the cuffs and now I'm good! Thanks for this recommendation, it made all the difference!

[@joshwelch6790]

Get a pair of Superfeet Hockey comfort insoles. I have a pair in both my 908s and 909s. Get the size 10-12 or larger then your medium boot. I wear a medium boot size as well for reference. You can trim down the superfeet insoles to fit under liner between boot. I do that and I remove the heel pad on both my v2 intuitions in my 908s and my new Them intuitions in my 909s. Really actually helps with responsiveness as well as a much softer footbed to land on.

[@BacktoBlading]

Might be worth a try. Thanks

[@Starkadr13]

I'm looking forward to your final review after you break them in and skate them for awhile. I'm considering the 909s for my next boot. I'm hesitant though, because I've been skating nothing but K2 for years now. To give you a history of the aggressive skates I've had over the years: 1) Rollerblade Tarmac CE (2nd Gen; 1995 - 1997); 2. K2 Fatty Pro (2nd Gen; 1997 - 1998); 3. K2 Style Points Bob (1998 - 2000; 2011 - 2012 -- I came back to blading after an 11 year break); 4. K2 Varsity Pro (2012 - current). In your opinion, do you think I'd like the 909 as a K2 fan, or hate them? I'm definitely looking to switch from K2, as I'm not really thrilled with what I've seen them put out since the 2012 Varsity, but not sure what brand I should go with. I've considered the Roces M12s in addition to Them 909s. Keep in mind that I will not be able to afford those fancy Intuition liners and will just be going with whatever stock liner the boot comes with. I've been riding GC Featherlite frames (anti-rocker) on the Varsity.

[@pg9193]

I'm thinking of getting these with stock liners (not Int's) and pairing them with Oysi frames. would you recommend? Thanks!

[@BacktoBlading]

Oysi are gonna be pretty tall on these, but if you get low of royales it won’t be an issue.

[@jasoncalva]

Don’t heat mold them by putting a bag of rice in them... you want the liner to mold to your toes and shape of your foot. This is what they are literally designed for. Once you put them in the oven for 10 mins at 150 degrees, the foam becomes like a gel. Put them on, lace the skate as tight as you can and stand in them for 15 mins. As the liner cools, the foam becomes rigid again but around the shape of your foot. Makes a HUGE difference.

[@kamalasyari2392]

i see you get medium size.. do you own a converse? can i know the size.. coz i had a hard time to find a size for this blade..i had to buy this blade online so by your converse i can compare sizes.. thanks

[@chavo1021]

I never have any problem with them skate are the best bro this 909 is super

[@dominicmcmahon4798]

I'm about to order 909s with intuitions. My foot is 28cm in length , I was thinking L size but you basically said your riding M at 28.5cm length. Thoughts now on this would help me out alot. Thanks. Great video.

[@JustinThursday]

I’ve only had a few solo 7am sessions in my life and they were all incredible. Might have to make this a part of my new routine! I have a love/hate relationship with Intuition liners. They’re genuinely great liners but they’re way too thick(for me anyway). And now even thicker for the 908/909. I’ve been skating the standard v1/2 Intuitions for years but mostly for fitness skating. The beauty of these liners is that if they’re not perfect after the first session you can totally skip the break in process by heat molding them. 200° in the oven for 15 mins, put them in your skates, put them on and lace everything tight for 20 minutes and you’ve skipped a month of work. The rice/sock method doesn’t do nearly enough in my experience. As you’ve said, the heel pads have to go for a raised heel boot. I use Superfeet insoles in mine as they’re super thin. I find that they help me feel more stable and are more supportive and reactive. I used to always skate with my buckles as tight as they would go until someone pointed out that there’s nothing wrong with loosening them a few notches. This idea opened up my whole vocabulary. And now with super supportive liners that lace up it’s no longer risky. Try loosening up a bit for those groove and topside tricks. 😉

[@BacktoBlading]

Sounds like a lot of options. Gonna be fun

[@freestyleskater4337]

The Intuition foam underneath the foot is really thick, after heatmolding and breaking in it can help wrap around your foot from underneath. When you use an insole inside the Intuition liner, this effect won't happen. On the contrary, when using an insole underneath the liner, then I guess you have to lose the shock absorber. I don't think you can put an insole underneath the shockabsorber, It should be directly under the liner. So pros and cons I guess. I might prefer the Intuition liner with shock absorber, so I might put an insole inside the liner (and lose the wrapped feeling from underneath), this also makes the Intuition liner sit deeper inside the boot I would think, which would look more aesthatically pleasing.

[@jacobs6456]

I saw the 909 wont be restocking so I made sure to secure a pair quick, cant wait to try them out!

[@davequist7710]

Jacob S hopefully that means a whole new boot is coming 910? Or something else. I’m hoping for a new color 908 or some skinned boots

[@chilli-iceolive-abode2447]

We got 909s of every colour in the future!

[@OlderBladers]

You gotta heat mold intuition liners... you might need to do it twice... but it will make a huge difference. I highly recommend having it done professionally... find a ski shop and they will take care of you

[@cyroshiro]

Great review, thanks mate

[@trevornew9278]

Just got my 909xintuitions and oysi mediums in! They feel crazy!

[@charliekrystalseabolt4275]

Great video.

[@fnnwolfie8560]

How is your skatepark open, mine has police around everywhere in milwaukee

[@BacktoBlading]

We have most of our parks open, not sure why but I went super early just in case

[@DavidZafra]

i have a 44 eu, do you think medium could fit? i dont want big skates :(

[@drawingslim]

Good video! That coping looked a bit slow though.

[@amyx231]

Wait...skates have insoles?! Ive been skating mine without anything! Is any insole okay, or does it have to be really thin or thick? I have insoles aplenty.

[@BacktoBlading]

Some people even put insoles under their liners in the boots, so it’s insole-liner-insole-boot!

[@4everhumbl36]

Yeahhhh shout out to Jon and everything but this video and review just made me just want to stick with my USD Aeons even more lol They seem to be the best overall skate for me Thanks for this though Law!

[@BacktoBlading]

Love my Aeon60 and my 72, but they’re not UFS. If you want to try different frames and setups then you’ll need a new boot. Not everyone does, but these are pretty solid boots to mess with.

[@VandKoala]

And I loved Aeons before I have picked up some USD 7 clans :)) but the review made me feel the same. A great review! Thanks

[@HollyBoni]

I don't think either skate is better or worse than the other, they're different. Both the Aeons and 909s have their advantages and disadvantages (and a lot of that is personal preference). But the most important thing by far is fit, so skate whatever fits your specific foot the best. This is why I personally don't really like comparing skates, or even recommending skates to other people... 🙃

[@4everhumbl36]

@Houston Blader Same way I feel brother!! I'm never going back LOL

[@mervingjslax]

Did you have to modify your zoom/sway shells to accept the aggressive souls or did they just fit? And do you think that they sway souls will fit on a next boot?

[@BacktoBlading]

No mod needed, won’t fit the Next

[@Bavmorda]

The thing is the Sways accept trinity frames because they're basically a normal aggressive boot, with a trinity adapter instead of the soulplate. The Next is a boot directly built for trinity mounting. So, while you could take those adapters and convert certain other aggressive boots to accept trinity frames, you can't do the opposite with a trinity boot.

[@hasanfares5774]

What about the usd carbons when are you going to make a review for them

[@BacktoBlading]

Soon as these are done. I think more people wanted to know about the 909

[@hasanfares5774]

@@BacktoBlading well, thanks for the really amazing reviews, keep it up.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

I really wonder if I would fit the carbons with a foot exactly 12 inches long. And my ankles are a bit deformed... I probably just need to custom order adapts

[@davequist7710]

Isn’t the higher cuff setting supposed to give you more flex? I thought Jon talked about it.

[@josephlux9519]

It should reduce forward flex in the lower position. But should allow for more lateral flex, than when the cuff is higher.

[@BacktoBlading]

Interesting!

[@josephlux9519]

I'm actually curious to know if you could mount the cuff asymetrically. Like high cuff position on the outside, low position on the inside. 🤔

[@pouringblue7]

Are you sure there’s no insole in the intuition liner? My blue them 908 intuition liners came with insoles.

[@BacktoBlading]

I tried picking it out and couldn’t. Maybe I missed it

[@Vercingetorix.Fantasia]

My SSM Bloodline liners were such shit that I'm actually STILL skating my Juggernaut liners from 2007 Definitely need a new liner and potentially guna buy a new boot soon. Love my soul plates and frames but the Bloodline is just a HEAVY skate. So heavy that I've been skating my Razors Gen 7s again

[@michaelboland4504]

@backtoblading, how do they feel weight wise compared to a razor sl?

[@BacktoBlading]

Very similar. I’ll weigh them on Gear Talk next week

[@michaelboland4504]

Back to Blading thank you sir!

[@noodles806]

Has anyone tried the 909 with the v1 liner? Not sure if I like the stiffer tongue or not.

[@1UpClothing]

intuition fit way tighter than normal liners (speaking as a skier) they will pack out soon, the hot rice is great, do that for sure but u are meant to wear it after not just move the rice around

[@roymunson4172]

Would these skates be a bad choice for someone with a wide toe box? Used to ride Gens because they are so wide.

[@BacktoBlading]

I think so, but I don’t have a wide foot to say for sure.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

Yes

[@Frmrspecialist74]

“I usually don’t break things in, Everything usually felt great out of the box” says the guy that upgraded every part of the Razors SL to make them feel good/skateable , lol

[@BacktoBlading]

Ugh, yeah. Sometimes you have no choice. In my defense, I don’t think those stock SL liner would have broken in before they broke me.

[@nano0929]

They skates bring an Insole for the liners in the box separate, at least mines did

[@akmftw1994]

Mine did as well

[@BacktoBlading]

Yes, I was told those are shims, for filling out the liner. I didn’t use them since I’m already pretty stuffed in there

[@steelzcollector466]

nano0929 mines did also come with insoles

[@thesin24]

yay more vids! :D

[@gersonmelendez8940]

Wait a minute so jon julio left valo to basically make valo 2.0? Honestly that just looks like the inside of a old valo skate with no skin. Reminds me of the V 13 skate.......either way man good video

[@BacktoBlading]

Yep, he knows what style of skate he likes. Better fit for me than the m12 though.

[@Bavmorda]

Of course I'm far from an expert, but Law, knowing you a little about your skating and reviewing routines, I think you'd benefit from trying the heatmolding path if you're having issues. As far as I understand, the absolute ideal would be breaking those liners in the hard and slow way, by just wearing and skating them for hours and hours and hours... I guess that's the least aggressive method for the liner's long term integrity and durability, and probably the most precise to fit your feet perfectly. But, if you're really uncomfortable through that process, given that you don't really have a lot of time to skate, always have other skates and stuff to review... If you're still uncomfortable after a couple of sessions, I think directly heatmolding them would make the whole experience more enjoyable for you, by taking an issue away from the start. That way you could focus on all the other customisation options of these skates and truly enjoy all the process. I don't think you'll be using those liners to waste ever anyway, they should last you forever, heatmolding or not 😉

[@BacktoBlading]

I’ll give it one last try, then heat mold. Thanks for the concern. :)

[@SteveJohnsHB]

Take out the laces on the liners to prevent heal raise

[@Vercingetorix.Fantasia]

Anyone remember how odd K2 skates felt at first? As if you were falling backwards.

[@BacktoBlading]

I always fell trying to skate them.

[@sebm5635]

💪💪💪

[@DaveDEF82]

Put the Reign liner into those bad boys.

[@chavo1021]

Is you the skate is perfect

[@ThatShaunBoy]

Outside of letting them adjust to you naturally, just use a hairdryer on the heat setting and blast the toes for a bit and walk around your house to stretch them out. So much less risk than throwing them in the oven, fuck that.

[@BacktoBlading]

Haha, ok. I’m gonna try them another session before doing anything heat related

[@yoandreee]

you have the most awkward skating style... no hops whatsoever

[@BacktoBlading]

Thanks for watching

[@Rob-bh9gt]

lol did you just say "for all intense purposes?" the expression is "intents and purposes." i like your videos though. thanks for sharing.