Top 5 Hardest Characters In Tekken Explained

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[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Kazuya is definitely the hardest in the game. That’s how Jin was made.

[@Omega_Star_]

good one lol

[@hessiankyojin]

Jun could not resist helping him out become easier.

[@21Handguns]

He went too hard to the point jun was absent in the canon story for 20 plus years

[@Korosivv]

By that logic Heihachi is harder, because he made Kazuya AND Lars

[@samseison]

Dorya

[@jevonsw1]

Mishimas are hard on purpose. They are always going to be truly monstrous characters that need godlike pilots to show of their canon strength as well. Spot on Mishima analysis but duh it’s you. Thanks again.

[@VermillionGates]

Steve is super hard because you have to be precise with every input, due to his counter attacking nature. I never realized how much this is the case until I picked up Nina and matched my Steve rank fast simply by playing aggressive and spamming strings lol

[@microblast3700]

My main is the hardest in the game, everyone else is easy and no work

[@parthsinghdeopa2224]

Who ?

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

​@@parthsinghdeopa2224 He's jabbing at TMM

[@parthsinghdeopa2224]

@@UltimateBallaPOM Ohh now I got it LOL !!!

[@Pavidota]

It's so interesting watching you have crazy execution but struggling mega hard to do the akuma thing. When I came to tekken from street fighter I could do the akuma stuff with almost no issue because it's borderline exactly his sf4 combos, but then I spent 2 hours in training before I managed to throw out a single perfect electric as kazuya

[@HELLRAISER02]

Something nobody brings up is that theres so many kinds of execution and many struggle and excel at different kinds I can time elecs, but my sf6 luke is garbage cuz i suck at timing button releases for perfect flash knuckles, and theres apparently some pros who can barely execute charge moves, so ye, guess tmm cant do akumas bs well

[@DubiousKimchi]

its called muscle memory.

[@gotmefkedup1181]

I'm literally going through that same thing

[@desgyulabalogh3429]

@@HELLRAISER02 I can do Leo KNK cancels relatively easy, but i cant play mishimas because my finger gets tired after a few matches and i fail the electrics. not sure whats going on but thats how it is.

[@HELLRAISER02]

@@desgyulabalogh3429 well if crouchdashes tire yo fingers out then yeah, mishikas arent for you, tho if you csn do leo cancels thats cool cuz i barely know that char

[@chellejohnson9789]

Wild to think Kuma may be a top 5 contender in T8

[@progste]

Curious to see what they do with him

[@tonybloodloss]

​@@progsteEvery move will be an unbreakable launching RA.

[@scottiecurrie7927]

Makes me start to respect Kuma for once

[@Its_PizzaTime]

I hope so lol. I play Kuma and Heihachi, so getting the best of both worlds would be, while strange, an interesting crossover.

[@misantrope6267]

​@@Its_PizzaTime Kuma's rageart is gonna summon Heihachi's ghost like a fucking stand 😂

[@seanyoung9014]

As a Paul main since the 90s, there's absolutely nothing more frustrating than fighting a high level Steve because Paul's linear nature makes it really hard to fight someone with good timing. I usually carve through Kaz players like hot butter but fighting a really good (non spammy) one is one of the most satisfying experiences in the game.

[@jimjim435]

Paul has good tracking

[@seanyoung9014]

@@jimjim435 It's okay but those moves are so well known and he has such a reputation that most players with a decent amount of experience can anticipate a lot of them.

[@lawscrub]

You need to learn back,side step , back wave dash and you will eliminate all of that

[@TheRealJumpyLion]

Also a Paul main! When I play Steve mains, I try to out-time them. Read their jabs and try to df2 them, or Demo Man when they leave themselves open. On my channel, I have a vid of me playing a decent Steve. It’s all about timing and trying to refrain from being predictable. And yeah, every Steve main I play takes advantage of me every single time I throw out a qcb 4 lol.

[@seanyoung9014]

@@lawscrubYeah I do that most of the time and it's usually not an issue but sometimes you run into that one guy.

[@polishsausage648]

95% of the comments whining about TMM being biased towards Kazuya, although they also have their own mains, but whatever. 5% of the comments referring to the actual topic.

[@KazuyaKai923]

This community deslikes kazuya and always tries to gaslight us.. But they are beta males and sheep while we're lions, we should not bother about their opinion 🐑

[@doublejacketjimmy391]

Well you gotta be objective while making tier lists there is no room for biases. I main Jin he’s hard but I won’t go too far and call him the hardest in the game. He’s not Lee for example.

[@MrSamuelAdam4]

Most of them are butt hurt scrubs. It's always the same low skilled casuals.

[@kingenfuuken]

​@@doublejacketjimmy391Jin is harder than Lee wtf are you smoking Lee is challenging but he's barely top 10

[@Cool_Calm_Chris]

I find Jin to be way more difficult than Heihachi or Kazuya, but I may be biased since I’ve been using Kaz and Heihachi way more

[@noname_noname_]

Yeah jin is just a different kind of difficulty compared to kazuya's

[@Madheim777]

Jin is harder since his combos are much more complex and variated compared with Hei and Kaz, which are much more straightforward and simpler.

[@ScrambledEggAbdullah]

​@@Madheim777That's a really bad reason "Jin combos are harder because you have to think more and that's why he's harder than Kaz or hei" Jin's combos are not complex, he just has more wall-carry. The argument here would be that Jin's combos don't have a universal staple you have to do different stuff for every combo. You clearly don't play Kazuya because he's the same. Jin's combos are not complex in any way, shape or form. I play Jin and I can easily convert into the most damaging staple. Devilster does it, it's not hard you do get used to his attacks you have the whole arsenal in your mind. Why am I even trying to explain just watch the video and you'll understand.

[@christoferprestipino7433]

You are biased.

[@Madheim777]

@@ScrambledEggAbdullah calm down bro. Im actually a Kazuya main, just didn't explain myself properly. It was just an opinion, and if im wrong at least i prefer a proper explanation of why, without having to criticise me that harsh.

[@VladislavSnegurov]

I hate this phrase "just side step left". Every time I meet Kazuya I play with that mind and got caught by hell sweep 7 out of 10 times while stepping left. Stepping left is way harder than just doing 50/50 on a vortex

[@vasvro3460]

You can reliably sw to the left to beat like 90% of kazuya's neutral. If what you're saying is true then 1 of 4 scenarios are happening 1 He's locked you behind heavy plus frames and you shouldn't sw 2 You're side stepping instead of walking 3 You try to punish too early and extend your hitbox so the sweep catches you 4 The kazuya mixes his timing and realings with you using wavedash before going for the hellsweep

[@VladislavSnegurov]

@@vasvro3460 It's about okizeme. I don't know how much plus Kazuya has on every type of knocking me out. But I also cannot just lay one the ground because of pendal. So it's always a choice between getting flipped on the ground or got clipped by hell sweep because i don't have enough frames to side walk after getting up

[@G-R-IE-IE-D]

That’s a timing thing

[@JustN0tMe]

@@VladislavSnegurov Try to tech roll to the Left and immediately move to the Left ... I get caught sometimes but this is helpful...that and staying in the ground

[@reebul8768]

I understand Kazuya isn't safe, pewgf is very hard to do, lacks panick moves and doesn't have the most pressure tools but c'mon he is not harder than steve lool.

[@angelotaylor1315]

He is harder than Steve imo. I main Steve and only play these two characters. Steve has a lot of pressure tools and is easier to play because he's safe. A lack of good lows and standing launchers make him hard to open people up tho

[@reebul8768]

@@angelotaylor1315 They are polar opposites but whenever i switch from Steve to kazuya it is way easier with Kazuya imo.

[@kingenfuuken]

The difference I think is that steve can be played very safe without much care for frames or learning matchups, most of his strings are safe, and he has arguably the best ch launcher in the game which can just be thrown out for free usually. Kazuya on the other hand has to change his gameplan drastically depending on who he is fighting, he is also very unsafe and doesnt have pressure or pokes, so relies on whiff punishing and block punishing. Its not a matter of execution but gameplan imo.

[@angelotaylor1315]

@@reebul8768 I think it depends. I have more fun playing chaotic with Kazuya. Steve isn't as fun unless I spam df2. B1 is boring too. I think the vortex makes it easier to force situations

[@angelotaylor1315]

@@kingenfuuken Yeah. The Kazuya gameplan is really whiff punish and blocking. What platform do you play on?

[@Civil206]

I think Jin, Yoshi and Kazuya are the hardest characters to use. In that order, in terms of how hard it is to win, how simple they're gameplan is and execution required.

[@Civil206]

just adding another reply over an edit to expand: Steve, whilst he relies heavily on fundamentals, he's always in control of the match. He limits how you can effectively approach him, even more so than Lee. High crushing lows and mids usually aren't safe and you're basically giving him free chip for an opportunity to apply your offense to him. If you approach conventionally, you risk getting CH launched. Thank goodness his punishment isn't stellar and he has no hopkick. Kazuya is difficult (for all reasons u mentioned) but his gameplan is still incredibly simple and if you can work out a way to land a single hellsweep, you can turn the entire match around in your favour. Jin on the other hand, I've never seen a single high-level, high ranking, pro or not, pick up and play him and collect free wins. Not one. He's a struggle character for everyone until you get some experience and that's because of his hidden weaknesses. He's an offensive, poke oriented character with shitty range and he can't really stick to you once he gets the hit either unless you're at the wall. Single backdash and SSR/SWR/SSRD blow up the braindead offense, so you have to use the phantom frames from some of his strings, UF2 or parry as a deterrent to try to stick to your opponent for pressure. You have to always be condition your opponent against a few things to earn your offense and you have to use your entire move list to do it, literally. His fast pokes don't give good frames unless you commit to a unsafe follow up, and so you rely on F4, which is slower and linear. A lot of people think you can win with Jin by relying on his keep out and that's how they lose. The keep out is mediocre and you actually have to do the creative conditioning to get consistent wins. That's why he's hard.

[@wisdomseeker0142]

@@Civil206very interesting comment because I’d say xiaoyu controls the match better than Steve and no one controls the match better than a high level asuka . Asuka must be hell for Steve players

[@Civil206]

@@wisdomseeker0142 Asuka can be annoying but a lot of her moves have very clear weaknesses unlike Steve. Even Steve’s worst lows are still only -12.

[@kato093]

Nah. Kazuya 100% over Jin. Kazuya's is simpler in terms of what you have to do but Jin has all the tools and they are EASY to use. You can be good with Jin without ever using electrics for example. He doesn't really need them. Kazuya without electric is a neutered non character at that point. He cannot exist without the electric. Just like dragunov is a non character without D2 or wr2. Which is why dragunov is bottom tier as they nerfed both into oblivion.

[@Stockfish1511]

I play two of the characters in tmm list and i also play yoshi. Yoshimitsu is without a doubt the harder one of them to play by alot actually. Yoshi has a bit easier execution. But character dept and knowledge is just on another level. You literaly dont need alot of knowledge to play kazuya. Its pure execution mostly. If you are good at execution then you can play kazuya pretty well already. However i think people just overestimate the the complexity of mishimas. Jin is different, but rest are just pretty basic honestly.

[@jimdino77]

Title should be “hardest execution to master”…. TMM often overlooks the key strengths of these characters, it’s not all locked behind execution

[@theblossomspirit9680]

I would put lucky chloe in his top 5. Akuma is literally top 5 hardest to play. Yes he got cheese but still extremely technical.

[@seed8325]

If you have learnt the execution then kazuya has the most basic gameplan in tekken.. mainman will try anything to get you thinking otherwise

[@himekomurata72]

​@@seed8325Bro exactly Kazuya is basically just 50/50 and some hard combo but not the hardest. He'll do anything to make sure his main doesn't get nerfed 💀

[@TheCaesar88]

Ok hahahha 24:43 I must say that I actually laughed badly when TMM said: "let me explain why Akuma is not top 5 difficulty" and then proceeds to struggle doing a single reset and says "Oohh it's really hard to do!" xDD

[@xaero07vsxaero69]

There are so much more Kazuya out there than Akuma online. You only really ever see Akuma in the highest tier of game matches. Need to further define what "Hardest" means here. Kazuya is easy to get into hard to master. Look at how many green ranked Kazuya's there are.

[@frostig9914]

In my opinion Akuma is definitely harder than bryan..

[@aren5900]

@@S0M3GUY778 ok, try to get it down. its much harder than being able to spam an electric and get away with it

[@zephune9506]

@@S0M3GUY778not even knee can get down akuma. You have to live and breath akuma and have better execution than knee to get down akumas staples. I have only faced one akuma in like 6 years who can do his shit consistent.

[@retroman5432]

@@S0M3GUY778 My guy, you cannot tell me that spamming electrics are way more harder than inputting an EX move. Have y'all forgot that you also need to input the forward direction TWICE to cancel that move into a regular combo? Lmfao.

[@Harveeee]

TMM, you should check out ChrishinTheLee he's arguably the best Lee in T7 right now. He discovered a way to improve Lee's 50/50 through a tech he called the Hitman Shuffle.

[@ronoronoronorono]

is it reliable though? I have seen it but looks like it suffers from the same problems of doing his slide 50/50

[@Harveeee]

@@ronoronoronorono Well, since we're talking about character difficulty and this being Lee stuff, it won't be that reliable until you really got the hang of its execution and usage.

[@wildman7220]

FightingGM never once stopped being the best Lee.

[@idontwant2beasoldiermama241]

Ayo is he better than fighting gm?

[@odst72397]

Lets not forget Imyourdaddy

[@henlix1]

“I want to sway the match, I launch you” had me 😂

[@frostig9914]

When it comes to mishimas,If you are good at spacing,punishing,poking etc in generalities, All you need is just to master electrics and wave dash,Thats the only hard part,what else makes them hard?

[@shamms9249]

in green rank maybe, they get countered so hard and you have to adapt while trying not to miss your execution which can get you combo’d for half your health if you miss just once, your neutral is hard you have no panic moves.

[@OzirV1000]

Bro, he literally explains it in the first 3 fucking minutes of the video

[@IccyTheOne]

Their limited moveset contributes to their difficulty. Everyone KNOWS what you're trying to do as a Mishima. Unless you're a SUPER unorthodox player, green ranks will be hard for you because you're just learning the character, and the later ranks will be hard because most of the good players know how to deal with textbook Kaz, DJ, and Heihachi already.

[@frostig9914]

@@OzirV1000 For eg i am good at punishing,spacing,Poking etc and now suddenly I decide to learn and play heihachi,the hard part is that I need to master the electrics and wavedash pressure..The rest are just his fundamental tool that require no execution.

[@YSM_b]

did you not watch the video my guy?

[@afaqfakki6930]

I win more games using kazuya than jin. And yes these two are my mains. But right kow dj is the hardest mishima after nerfs.

[@vanillafella4893]

i feel like kaz has the damage advantage you hit a df2 seconds into the round and theyre getting balcony broken for 70% then back to the wall😃

[@TheAnimationkid101]

Same, jin main here but the amount of freedom I got with Kaz hit different. I don't think I necessarily won more with him but when I did win it felt easier. The damage i was performing and how I gained and maintained momentum was more guaranteed than when I played as Jin. Leading to me oppressing my opponents more often.

[@Alex-Omega]

Thats probably youre in lower ranks and there, hellsweep is all you need with Kazuya

[@TheAnimationkid101]

@@Alex-Omega idk if ur talking to me but it was not just ranks. It was with friends too.

[@omargholam2514]

agree 100% as a kaz main. Dvj after nerfs is just hard because he is trash

[@kiracite]

In a game like this difficulty per character doesn't scale linearly with player and opponent skill. I think to be more accurate you need to describe character difficulty through both their skill floor and skill ceiling.

[@wingedsereph1322]

Nah the hardest character has to be Lucky Chloe. To even pick the character has to be one of the hardest to execute moves in the game

[@foreveruseless1292]

Lmao

[@MrShinTensei]

Her and Katarina are hell to learn

[@Kaithe7]

After getting demoted 5 times yesterday, im starting to feel personally responsible for his winraye

[@sonofaballer96]

I've been playing Jin for multiple tekken games and now on 7, I main Kazuya. I'm actually having an easier time with Kaz but my Jin consisted of lots of b4, f4, ff4, db4 can-can, df2, and db2,2,3. My Jin was basically crafted from my own knowledge and experience. I didn't really have a mentor or anyone to teach. At the same time, ive been watching TMM like crazy, so it has helped me tremensously with Kazuya and a little bit of Jin. I dont take everything as gospel from TMM, but he definitely knows what he's talking about. Jin has much more tools and better buttons than I realized.

[@victoralvarez9459]

I'm in the same boat as you

[@reptilian132]

I play devil Jin and it’s all b3 uf3 f3 etc Lmao

[@HououinKyouma.]

Bryans difficulty being overrated for the 100th time 😢 also kazuya isnt even harder than yoshi LOL. I agree with steve being the most honest tho but that isn’t really saying too much

[@FerventFourEyes]

IF he didnt have fast CH options i would say he is as difficult as ppl claim. If only he wasn't overtuned lol

[@HououinKyouma.]

@@FerventFourEyes yeah literally everything on bryan is a frame trap with abc 123 easy mode inputs. If bryan wants to win, do a hatchet kick. His optimal combos arent even remotely difficult and he has the most simple gameplan ever that works the same against every character on the roster. Only difficult about Bryan is his taunt which i dont even think is vital. Also, he’s literally just as safe as steve

[@kemalerdemsahin410]

He is one of the safest characters in the game, his tracking is over the top, he has arguably the best low in the game, top 10 wall carry, over the top damage, everything counter hits, plus frames on block and top of all that he has taunt. I've seen many people reach to tg without doing taunts and when you remove taunt, there's nothing left for him to be considered hard. He's far from being a hard character at this state.

[@S0M3GUY778]

​@@HououinKyouma.agreed, taunt is almost never used in a real game in a scenario that requires godlike execution. The most you need is taunt B+4 which is relatively easy, and for taunt baiting counter hits, which is more timing than execution. The rest of Bryan's gameplan is CH baiting. Taunt Jet Upper is just not practical at most levels

[@HououinKyouma.]

@@kemalerdemsahin410 100% correct man. Again, i still dont think taunt is even a necessary tool needed to win anyways. Even at god prime, NO bryan does it. It’s honestly a joke atp

[@aidanru.2469]

It'll likely be a short video but i would love to see mainman list the top 5 easiest Tekken 7 characters

[@basione]

Kuni, Zafina, Feng, Marduk, Katarina. Probably :D

[@aidanru.2469]

@@basione Don't forget Asuka and Leroy too

[@scottiecurrie7927]

He's the #1 Lei hater as well so he'd likely put Lei in there somehow too. Such a shame too because Lei is actually ridiculously hard to master

[@gabetapia5936]

@@scottiecurrie7927yea right razor rush into mix wow so hard

[@yeahfrlolikk7425]

@@scottiecurrie7927 lei is just bullshit lay on the ground mix easy wins

[@christoffelsymbol1631]

I dont understand what's so difficult about the slide is that a stick users thing Or does Lee have some crazy instant crouch technique

[@Brainzzz123]

It's a legacy input that is unecessarily tricky. There's a lot of awkward inputs that need to be executed really quickly. It's made easier in Tekken 8 for at least Law

[@christoffelsymbol1631]

@@Brainzzz123 how is it tricky? you hold down and then tap forward twice, it's not harder than doing ff2

[@unnaturalatrophy8443]

Kazuya hardest? lmao jesus christ

[@udontwannaknowmyname2303]

Online scrub correcting the pro player lol

[@bevlade5734]

@@udontwannaknowmyname2303 is he a pro??? he didint eve win a single torna... bullshit

[@udontwannaknowmyname2303]

@@bevlade5734 he did compete so he is

[@bevlade5734]

@@udontwannaknowmyname2303 compete but lost... i rather prefer fightinggm analysis of hardest char... mainman is very biased in his char,,,

[@babojee97]

saying jin is one of the hardest expecially over heihachi jjust because of f4 ( when u dont need to do the hard combo the hard combo just has 0 risks) just because he has every move ud ever want ( the best version of those moves aswell) is like someone in the desert having to walk miles to one water source while jin is in a 18 bedroom mansion complaining about him not being able to get a drink because he dosent know which fridge to go to

[@ИльяЛабозин-э6н]

Try yoshi for the at least 100 hours, then come back

[@VikingCrisis]

Hahaha kiss my ass Yoshi is hard NOTTTTTT

[@lucho_1416]

For mainman kazuya is always in every single top tier for whatever list he does. Dont be surprised if next week he makes a list of the top 5 easiest characters in the game and put Kazuya somewhere on the list.

[@RamyASMR]

Imo the best way to enjoy him, is to just ignore everything he says about mishimas. I do enjoy his content with this rule

[@wildman7220]

@@RamyASMR Mishima players are something else

[@kuja025]

Same@@RamyASMR

[@mlao1333]

Defense is the hardest part of Tekken, which is why Heihachi isn't a hard character. He never loses his turn and is very safe so he never has to play defense. The only "hard" part of heihachi is electric, which isn't even that hard. With his buffs and jab/df1 range increase he's incredibly easy to just spam and rush down your opponent.

[@YoshiSenX1]

Then again you also have to understand that he doesnt really have a while standing launcher thats good (Yes his WS3 , 1+2 is a WS launcher but its 18 frames). His hell sweep only knocks down on counterhit or on the 2nd hit of the sweep. Also he does have to play defence as well because he's still at -1 or -3 at most when using his DF1,1 or his 1,1 which means a jab will beat his jab which means you're now +8 no? I get that he has cheese but to say that he isn't hard is untrue compared to the rest of the cast.

[@songoku6067]

This has to be a troll

[@mlao1333]

@@YoshiSenX1 if you think being -1 to -3 means you have to play defensive then you don't understand Tekken. At those frames you can sidestep 99% of i13 or faster moves, therefore your opponent cannot check you and you are in a RPS situation. It just becomes a mind game. Hei has an i18 ws launcher and one of the best i13 ws punishers in the game (buffed from i14) so that point doesn't count. His hellsweep being weak doesn't make him "hard" either, that's an entirely separate point. In fact he can't check you with f3 after hellsweep without even having to think, so it actually simplifies his gameplay.

[@mlao1333]

@@songoku6067 I'm 100% serious and I have the rank and experience to back it up.

[@YoshiSenX1]

@@mlao1333So a WS move in addition to another move that pairs with it that equals to probably 45 dmg is better than a WS launcher? Also being -1 to -3 is just me saying that yes there is pressure there but you can out jab him because he is minus 1 and you are plus 1 therefore yes you can get out of the situation. I get that they can side step but so can you. Just like you said at those frames you can side step 99% of i13 or faster moves so then using that logic you can side step heihachis jab strings no? And yeah his hell sweep being shit doesnt make him hard but playing him and using his tools effectively enough to get to the point of like Fujin or above is goin to be a lot harder than if you were to take a character like Anna or Nina or Claudio there. My point is that he is hard compared to the rest of the cast as to what he has to work with. He has pressure yes, thats the mind game. Also if you can't react to DB2 properly then idk

[@somber087]

If you enjoy the character, its 10x easier

[@Blkuchiha7]

In my heart I want to main Jin so bad but damn it’s difficult playing him online. Switched to Leo

[@versatilelord8893]

Just picked up Leo recently and she’s amazing Been having a blast with that character

[@ace6806]

At this point I feel like TMM keeps talking about how difficult / weak Kazuya is just to bait everyone and it somehow works.

[@since2133]

He always downplays Kazuya. He’s far from weak. Every character is hard when utilized to the max.

[@sliceog710]

Devil Jin should be on here since he’s now more difficult than the other mishimas in my opinion. He doesn’t have a really good mid anymore and i feel like hes the mishima that needs to use IWR for a decent mid launch.

[@laraloy3711]

You mean iws2?

[@S0M3GUY778]

Are B+4 and FF+2 not good mids? Genuine question

[@Kazuyante1012]

df1, bf2, ff2 are better mids than anything kazuya has

[@sliceog710]

@@Kazuyante1012 Im talking about his 50/50 its not as good as kazuyas even if he has a launching hellsweep

[@S0M3GUY778]

@@sliceog710 idk man, launching hellsweep is pretty hard to argue with, and you can adjust the combo from his hellsweep to give good oki. I'll admit the mid options are weaker than Kaz's but he still has FF2 and B4 which is nothing to scoff at

[@EzioZ]

Man how things have changed for jin in T8 tsk tsk

[@BillyVorkuta]

in the highest level kazuya may be the most difficult but overall if we take every level in consideration i would place him at 3rd place, steve and jin are way more difficult to learn than kazuya

[@BillyVorkuta]

@@steponmeplease6217 I mean that's my take, I main bryan and kazuya, i have started play jin 1 year ago and have much more difficult time with him than kazuya but you can disagree with me. no problem ^^

[@IccyTheOne]

​@@BillyVorkutaAs someone who's main team was Kazuya and Jin, and then Jin and Armor King in Tag 2, and now being a Bryan main in T7, I think you're both partly correct. Jin at face value seems easier to play than Kazuya because he has a way more diverse arsenal and can be played in a number of different ways. Kazuya is a defensive vortex powerhouse that really excels at one particular playstyle. Like me, you started with Kazuya first, which is why you're probably having so much trouble with Jin. I'll add that I think Kazuya is harder than Bryan, but for me it's hard to say because I'm a way better Tekken player now than I am back then. I have a lot of success with Bryan and have completely dropped Kaz in T7.

[@josetojoestar7533]

In my opinion, Lee is similar to Bryan on keepout, except Lee has a harder time getting in and well... punishing is always harder than doing the offense, so I'd put Lee above Bryan

[@Zachary_Sweis]

I hope Tekken 8 has better netcode than 7, because I'm sick of being hardwired on PC and only running into Wi-Fi Warriors. It's so tilting to have every combo drop to lag, but they're all hitting their shit.

[@rhyanvalk7897]

Casino mishima. Also db4 is -12 low that tracks to ssl

[@LwT-]

Was about to say if lee was not here that’s crazy

[@JonanTS]

Tbh a lot of Kazuya players get away with ff3 and hellsweep only, so whats so different? 4:18 - 4:35

[@abyssfleet1462]

Its not and kaz's ff3/hellsweep is WAAAAY stronger than heihachi's db2/demon uppercut. TMM is actually dumb af

[@omargholam2514]

ff3 has to be the worst sidestepable move ever. A jab tracks better than that. Demon uppercut is almost homing u scrub

[@JonanTS]

@@omargholam2514 damn, no need to be so salty tho, was genuinely asking. To be fair, many people rarely sidestep these moves correctly like Chloes cali roll, that's why many of the characters are catalogued as "cheap" or "scrubby". Or people that forget to duck certain high strings on reaction... So you can get away with a LOT of stuff in tekken that on paper is weak or easily avoidable, just saying. It's like Kazuyas df2, someone like you, hell, even I would say it's a good move but flawed since you can get punished, but I rarely get punished when I play Kazuya and throw it out, I lose my turn of course but it's still one of the greatest counterhit tools in the game.

[@althebeastisbay]

Hard to play characters are my favourite kind of fighting game characters

[@mish5898]

I played Kazuya for years and all this "if you lose to Kazuya you lost to the better player" is complete BS. I beat plenty of people with 50/50 dogshit, i wasn't "the better player" they just guessed wrong.

[@kingenfuuken]

You are also probably green rank

[@mish5898]

@@kingenfuuken nope, just a trash Mighty Ruler but it's weird that your upper limit for "unqualified to speak" stops as low as Green.

[@omargholam2514]

@@mish5898bro thanks for being honest but mighty ruler is not tekken. No one knows shit there. Its the new green rank in the latest season. So yeah you ll get away with it as you said. But not in real tekken matches where both know the game

[@mish5898]

@@omargholam2514 well that's why i said what i said. I know people that think true blues are still kind of shitty. Here is the thing i notice about these videos though when talking about "real tekken" when it's defending a person's character people are like "ah yes but at the highest level..." but when it's accusing other characters of "having BS" it's suddenly talking points that would not really affect the best players anyway. For example here we might say "Kazuya is the hardest at high competitive levels! Real Tekken!" but then we will see "Asuka is brain dead low execution bullshit!" and then hardly anyone is really winning at a high level, certainly not at something like Evo.

[@laraloy3711]

I completely disagree with Jin, you showed the reason why he his one of the easiest character, you can play whatever playstyle you want or need, the hardest thing to do is to remember all these key moves. Learning to do electrics and f4 combo is hard and requires time commitment but that does not make the character and anyway you essentially need these only for keep-out, also ch f4 dash d2 is a decent chunch of dmg while you learning the hard stuff.

[@tonybloodloss]

What rank are you with Jin?

[@TKZhyon]

Masku gang

[@cypi6210]

Masku

[@TheMainManJr]

Masku

[@Phantom87865]

Masku

[@RekkaKien3]

always refreshing to hear someone who's not a steve main, acknowledge that he's not only difficult to use, but he's the most honest character in the game. that's why i have a pocket Kat for scrub match ups. people still cry about b+1 like it wasn't nerfed lol. shut up & high crush.

[@faraz6945]

I love how with jin the topic changed from how hard jin is to how good jin is

[@atuls55]

I don't agree with Bryan being one of the most difficult outsides of taunt. The Hyashida is an issue with his backdash but it's something he shares with Nina and Paul which you never bring up with them. He has df1 substitutes like his df2 and his d2. The only characters that don't have df1 style mid check are Kazuya, Josie and maybe Marduk. His jab range is not bad. Most characters jabs wouldn't reach at the distances you were demeonstrating. He gets the whole of 1,2,1 or 1,2,4 on CH and is safe unlike characters that have to CH confirm their jab strings like Dragunov, Lars etc. His magic 4 has an easy option in 4,3 charged 4 which can be easily CH confirmed. 4,3 is -10 on block but the followups are a big threat to someone trying to punish that. His combos don't lose much damage when you go for easier options. It's not like Lee and Law who lose a lot of damage and carry if you can't do their b2 cancels/DSS.

[@yaoigod1585]

Can somebody mark the timestamp for the dvj explanation please thankyou.

[@bhorri39]

Really hope you're right about Lee being in Tekken 8🙏🏾

[@VermillionGates]

Full roster is already leaked and confirmed, Lee is in it

[@bhorri39]

What confirmed list are you looking at, cause I don't see him on any Tekken 8 roster lineups@@VermillionGates

[@alsvids3651]

I know that Jin has good and bad changes going into Tekken 8. But isn't anyone else really bummed out that his normal hellsweep doesn't launch anymore? I haven't had a chance to play the CNT but going from the news that I've heard from some of the fun things that I loved using with Jin (namely Zen stuff/canceling and hellsweep combos) have been removed or nerfed. Feel pretty bummed out despite the cool things we got in return (and lets be real, those cool things will be nerfed at launch).

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

No he'll sweep should launch on neutral.

[@alsvids3651]

@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 kzbin.info/www/bejne/haDClH6Hir5gba8 (at 1:20). This is what I've seen that would indicate hellsweep doesn't launch anymore

[@edgelord121]

I played jin in cnt and I had a blast. Sure I miss old zen cancelling but it is still there in tekken 8, just way harder

[@FadedWorld.]

I think Nina is pretty overlooked because of her cheese at beginner to intermediate level but at high level, execution is a must and she becomes one of the hardest character in the game

[@wardenTKD]

yeah, im trying to learn nina and i just drop it every time from the execution barrier on the ss cancels Edit: if someone wanna teach me how to play her im down to learn!

[@joulphil8695]

Yeah but only in top level. That doesn't count for us. So she doesn't belong at all in 5 most difficult champions

[@Jghfjhyvhhjkk]

@@joulphil8695even at high ranks as well (emperor at least and beyond) and if Nina doesn’t belong then this list is for ruler ranks and below tbh

[@disruptor6550]

She's only hard at pro level. And maybe at the very highest online ranks. At any other ranks it's just free wins from mashing

[@Pun1sherTV]

It's only at pro level, you can still reach high ranks with Nina with spammable strings and abusing that most people don't know the match up, and you can get so easily away with her and still climb to TGP with no big effort compare to other characters.

[@thoudamnimai4215]

Only Kazuya main will understand 😏

[@quincyjacobs6994]

Kaz is 100% completely not the hardest character to use, or win with, especially online. Get over yourself lol. By definition a character that focuses on 50/50 character can’t possibly be the hardest character. Kaz is all about the player, not the character.

[@frostig9914]

For e.g If i am a king main and For eg i am good at punishing,spacing,Poking etc and now suddenly I decide to learn and play heihachi,the hard part is that I need to master the electrics and wavedash pressure..The rest are just his fundamental moves that require no execution for eg F4 F3 etc..

[@progste]

Yeah if you're the perfect player you only need to learn his moves lol...

[@abyssfleet1462]

Why do people never mention how kazuya's eletric input is way easier than every other mishima because he gets to skip an entire input? Its arguably the best move in the game and kazuya's design makes it piss easy to do, but no one brings it up for some reason. Also, kazuya has infinitely better lows than heihachi and oki but ok

[@progste]

For oki Hei is better

[@kingenfuuken]

Heihachi's game plan doesnt require good lows, he makes you not want to duck so his lows become free. He has a ton of pressure and amazing frames on his mids and highs, kazuya does not. Kazuya is a defensive character, Heihachi is an offensive character. Its silly to make a comparison like that.

[@Sebastian-sz6wy]

You don’t compare hei to kaz that’s just stupid. Anyway it’s not gonnna change anything

[@mohamedtanakim5901]

His electric is more lenient which means you can either skip the neutral or the down, those btw are the inputs for perfect electric. Doing electric with those inputs is not easy and also these inputs can not be combined with movement, because you‘ll get df2. So that’s the reason you want to learn how to do the traditional input, which in my opinion is easier.

[@zephune9506]

@@mohamedtanakim5901with crossup kazuya one is 10x easier

[@KamZee22]

I learnt this game as a mishima main, thinking they are the hardest in the game esp kaz. But the honest truth is once you eventually can ewgf consistenty on both sides which is tricky at first but honestly easy once u have it. Its wayy too good, I dropped mishimas because you can almost win off ewgf alone its so good, wayy too much range, massive hitbox, plus on block and safe on whiff. U start a match land ewgf 5 times and you have won all 3 rounds lol. Add the best punishment in the game, godtier lows and a more safe mid launchers.... kaz is defo not the hardest in the game im sorry but ewgf makes them(mishima) one of the easiest once u can do it well. Not sure who it is but its probably someone with not many launching properties in their move list. Out of this list akuma is by far the hardest and I will explain to all u who cannot do the big boi stuff. It took me months (almost a year) but now I have the same execution as superak. On paper is sounds op the fadc into b1, but once u can even do it u realise how close u have to be to land it, I can death combo on reaction but good luck being in clean hit range vs a player with half a brain cell and on top of that u are never sure whether to commit and waste bar lol. Tmm is a better mishima than me, but I reckon I can still win just off decent block punishment and being carried off ewgf alone sadly

[@Stockfish1511]

Bryan harder than yoshi? lol. Also Kazuya is overrated as hell. He has very simple gameplan, not complexity whatsoever. He is just execution, which is dependent of the player. Anyone with sufficient experience can do this executions. I never considered "execution" based characters hard. Complexity of a character makes them hard.

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

Another green rank being salty. Which generic character do you main? Bob, Asuka or Katrina ?

[@Stockfish1511]

@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 i actually have tekken king yoshi but ok

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

@@Stockfish1511 what's your psn or steam ?

[@wildman7220]

Imagine thinking Yoshi is harder than Bryan lol

[@sharkaholic2171]

The video is 30+ minutes long it’s been 15 minutes and ppl are already complaining about someone’s opinion and it’s a valid one at that

[@zackong2800]

I learnt the game playing Jin and DVJ, so basically Mishima-esque. Stuck to them from T5 to T7. Then for some reason, due to commitment and age issues making execution cumbersome, I picked up Lars (probably worst title so far to pick him up) and god he is difficult. He has no real execution and has super big damage combos, good punishers. He has serviceable pokes but outside of that, he does not have much. Attempts to open up anyone takes so much risk, he gambles so much to get his counter hit launchers, approach tools are a bit on the slow side, almost every low is launch punishable, no high reward 50/50 but correct reads rewards you with 1/2 HP and the wall every time. Heard he is nerfed in T8, now I'm sad.

[@qweqweqwadcsc]

People just underestime how miserable of an experience it can be in Tekken 7 to play a character with D- counter hit game Its why Lars and Drag are one of the harder/hardest characters in 7

[@zackong2800]

@@qweqweqwadcsc Precisely, Lars counter hits are locked behind a slow ff move, a launch punishable low, a full crouch and his stances, all of which are either risky or slow, allowing people to jab him out of. In the ideal world, people use movement to make opponent whiff to punish, block big moves to punish but online is so different and spammy characters get away with everything if your character has poor CH game.

[@qweqweqwadcsc]

@@zackong2800 thanks my man, you actually get it Its why I moved back to 5DR, 6 and Tag2

[@morky3673]

Lars is just really bad 😂

[@omeshsingh8091]

Is it harder to know all of Jin's moves than to know all of Lei's moves?

[@Shibu_PL]

I remember him saying that having a lot of moves makes your character easier because you have more options and you can knowledge check but this doesn't apply to Jin for some reason lmao

[@sparklevius7211]

Kazuya difficulty is overrated in my opinion

[@Léopart_le_jaguar]

The character difficulty changes with the rank you are Heihachi is extremly Easy until you reach fujin or a bit more Akuma is very hard until you reach the competitive level And king is Always hard and fun to play 🐯

[@wildman7220]

King is legit super hard in pro play, tho

[@zephune9506]

Idc what anybody says Akuma is the hardest execution on the game. Akuma staples is 100% harder than Jin and Steve, only Bryans taunt is harder which isnt even needed

[@asmallapple1509]

No you are correct. Tmm just coomjng on his own main.

[@KamZee22]

lol thats not even why akuma is the hardest, its because with ewgf for examepl u can just throw it out anywhere on the stage... whiff here, whiff there, blocked your plus, hit its half life, for akuma u cannot spam anything , u are never sure to let the cancel into fadc b1 go or not. That alone is probably the hardest in the game, nevermind the execution which barely anyone can do lol

[@wildman7220]

Taunt is absolutely needed.

[@zephune9506]

@@wildman7220 its really not how many times do bryans taunt in game? Once in 10 sets.

[@zephune9506]

@@wildman7220 just type “knee bryan” you might see 1 taunt if your LUCKY. If the tekken goat dont taunt you dont need to taunt

[@dankplankfgc]

I dont understand why people think that bryan is hard

[@vasvro3460]

Cause he's in a game with characters like: Leo, Lei, Leroy, Anna, Katarina, Noctis, Negan, Feng, Lucky Cloe, Marduk, Asuka, Claudio and Bob

[@since2133]

⁠​⁠@@vasvro3460Bryan is also easy. Easier than Leo, Lei and Anna.

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

​@@since2133lmao. What's your rank and main? What rank is your bryan?

[@fullmotivatedgamer8612]

Because you're a yellow rank eating too many snake edges.

[@since2133]

@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 Tekken god prime with Lee, Tekken King with both Law and Anna. What’s your point?and what’s your rank since you wanna act “educated”.

[@Crazybark]

You failing akumas combos mid saying he isnt the fifth hardest is some of the funniest stuff ive seen in a minute. I agree but damn was that funny

[@ForEducationalPurposesOnly]

kazuya has zero cheese? yes of course. the least cheesy character imo is shaheen. litereally the most basic of everything.

[@littylit444]

Shaheen is pretty scrubby, tf are you on about lol?

[@ForEducationalPurposesOnly]

@@littylit444 what's scrubby shit Shaheen? What can you abuse with shaheen. Everything with him is mediocre

[@wildman7220]

@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly Mf said Shaheen is scrubby. Wtf is this

[@ForEducationalPurposesOnly]

@@wildman7220 literally the first person I ever heard say that. Dude is the most honest, generic moveset in the game

[@kylefields3951]

The *SCRUBBIEST* thing you can do with Shaheen is Whiff Hopkick into Hopkick again. Slide could maaaybe be considered cheese, but Slide isn't Kazuya Hellsweep where landing one is stacking advantage. You land one Slide and congratulations, there is no advantage at all, you are back in neutral. Shaheen is straight up honourable Tekken, full stop. If Shaheen, Lee, or Kazumi beat you, they just beat you. I don't know if I can say that about any other characters.

[@royjewell199]

I feel like I'm one of the only Lee mains out there who thinks he's not as difficult as other people say he is. Mist trap and acid rain are really hard, but honestly getting the hang of his combo's didn't take me that long . I feel like law is more difficult, at least in Tekken 7

[@keithparker865]

Not sure if you run a pad or a stick, but pulling off those mist step cancels on a D-pad is nightmare fuel if you don't have a calloused thumb lmfao

[@royjewell199]

@@keithparker865 I run pad, maybe I do have a caloused thumb cause I find mist step cancels way easier than wave dash and 2d inputs

[@50195876]

Bryan's jab is not short range.

[@wildman7220]

But has the worst hitbox of all.

[@abyssfleet1462]

Bruh, Kazuya's d1+2 is literally heihachi's db2 except way better. It counter hit launches. Kazuya's hellsweep will always knockdown into some of the best and most braindead oki in the game (even if kazuya's leg clips you fullscreen it still knocks down), 13ws launcher (completely destroys heihachi's df1 pressure) kazuya's electric is EASIER than other mishimas because he gets to skip the down input, he has one of the best rage drives in the game and his DB4 is completely broken. He is the most played character for a reason. I got to tekken king way easier with kaz than with heihachi, but tell us more of how much of a struggle kaz is

[@giuliodefelice5372]

The difficulty changes during the rankings. But it's true, I find Jin players one step forward and they loose anywhere, but they are better player than me ( red purple ranks)

[@RedHotChiliPigno]

People think that Bryan is cheap cause they eat orbital and snake edge all the time😂

[@faelwin]

2.16 correction you try step to the left, electric clip you then you die

[@victorguapoako]

I judge hard-to-play characters by how many players I see in tournaments get high on the leaderboards with certain characters. This is because a character maybe "easy" to pick up and play, but to play AND succeed is a different matter entirely. For example, I'd say someone like Jack isn't hard when you see many players like Anakin, Joey Fury, Noroma, and even Saint back then almost consistently get into top 32, 16, 8, etc using Jack. A "Hard-to-play" character that I don't find at all "Hard-to-play" is Akuma, and that's solely because of Super Akouma, Rickstah, AK, and basically every other Pakistani player that somehow has a pocket Akuma (Atif Butt, Awais Honey, Bilal, Farzeen, etc.) In the same vein, I find that someone like Kazuya is hard to play not just because of the execution hurdle, but because virtually no one consistently gets into top 32, 16, 8 etc. with him. You'll see occasional Kazuyas in the upper brackets like Shrimboo or Nene the Dragon (both beat Qudans' DVJ with Kazuya), but never anyone who actually is a tournament regular that consistently uses Kazuya nor wins with him. I'd have said that someone like Kodee is a tournament "regular", but we don't regularly see him actually get too far into any tournament. The reason why I gravitate towards tournament play as the ultimate litmus test for whether a character is "Hard-to-play" is because the tournament regulars are players who have studied the game so much and have gone through so many different character choices in their gaming life that they've figured out which characters are worth taking to tournaments for the express purpose of winning. Case in Point: In Evo Japan 2020, everyone was running Leroy. That's because he was the easiest character to succeed with back then.

[@ps4games164]

Do you play Tekken on PS4? We might play.

[@beam5655]

I agree. When it comes down to it, it's about which character is easiest to win with, and that's the top tiers. However at the same time, there is also the difficulty of getting a character to tournament level. Most top players would probably get better results with Shaheen rather than Akuma at first if they started learning both characters at the same time.

[@tomasmonteverdeviii9532]

Lee feels harder than akuma in terms of execution tbh.

[@via_negativa6183]

Framewhispers entire chat just got triggered. XD. I've been squawking on this channel for years now that Heihachi isn't that hard to play. So good to see TMM finally coming around. My house mate is a TGP Hehachi and the dude barely can do electrics consistently, and can't do Omens at all. He simply doesn't need them. Then you have the recent buffs to jab range, and online it get easier because then he starts to have some lows, the man here is right that I hardly ever see anyone block db+2 online let alone the rest. And haven't mentioned hellsweep yet. The chaarcter has great mids and pressure to more than make up for it anyway.

[@qweqweqwadcsc]

You dont even need to do the gangster punish with the old man anymore Crouch cancel a stagger low into EWGF

[@ozimantv]

paul and heihachi example are not even remotely similar. Paul can be out played with good movement and spacing even in online. Heihachi db2 is completely unreactable in online. So heihachi is WAYYY easier than you think especially online. Steve is not hard either. Steve is an aggressive character. With aggressive characters you don't have to think. Steves moves are so safe that you simply can't challenge him at all same as heihachi maybe even better than heihachi. Execution wise steve is nothing special actually. Yes there are some hard combos but EVERY CHARACTER HAS HARD COMBOS. Jin is hard but i wouldn't put him as 3rd hardest he is 5 or 6. He has some execution requirement nothing extreme like kazuya. The part that makes it easy is that there is no apparent counter play. There isn't a specifically hard matchup or situation that makes the character harder. For example, kazuya struggles against good movement chars like zafina, long reach chars like jack, super aggressive chars like steve. Jin has tools for all of the above and has simple tools to chip away like a poke character. Bryan is either first or second place even with changes. The wholes in his game are not patched he is a counter hit character with bad poke tools so he can't be played without thinking like steve can be played. He gives up his turn in a lot of the stuff he does and thats the weakness. Akuma is not really a tekken characters tbh. If you put him on the list tho he is 1st 2nd and 3rd place. The reason is unlike steve you all think is hard because of hard combos akuma actually needs to do the hard combos or it is a trash character. Gets the lowest damage in the game without execution. Lee same deal with steve and even easier because unlike steve they gave him combo options which require no execution and only give up wall carry. not even a top 10 hard character. Actual top 5: Akuma if we count him #1 Eliza #2 Kazuya #3 Yoshimitsu #4 Devil Jin #5 Eddy #6 Lets explain why. Eliza hardest execution requirement out of all tekken characters and actually needs it. Poor fundamental tools and mediocre damage compared to afford. Kazuya already explained. Yoshi poor tools, has a lot of execution requirements, no easy safe poking or over the top counter hit game so can't be played like a chimp (steve and lee can be played by a chimp and still would threatening) requires ton of work to learn because just knowing tools is not enough you need to learn and find setups Devil jin is execution necessity wise the hardest mishima. Has to use dash ws cancel for tracking mid option and without it he is trash. Doesnt have ch tools. Has poor tracking even compared to kazuya. Has ok pokes but they are not as mindlessly spammable like lee and steve. Eddy the hardest character to make it work. The reason is he is extremely nerfed to the degree that he makes gigas look like an S tier char. No side step, No good ch game, No poke game due to lack of good mids, Punishment is wayyy below average despite i13 ws launcher because he has shit standing punishment until i14. Gimmicks are also too nerfed you cant really make them work anymore.

[@mrcuddles2199]

Jack is good at low level but as you rank up it gets harder and harder. Your defense needs to be always in point, he has no side step, weak wall carry, and pretty meh combo damage. Ignore Anakin, he’s godlike.

[@foreveruseless1292]

Yeah anakin is insane

[@parry3439]

yeah for real poking with jack proves more effective than finding ways to combo lmao

[@nogamenolife705]

Who's a solid character for a newbie in Tekken 8 that's still strong?

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Lei W

[@Newbeginning-ux1cd]

Is yoshi in the top 10? I feel like hes a weird subset of jin. Easier execution, more moves/transitions to memorize, Less damage, More bullshit. He also has a move for every situation, but most lead to more risk, while also giving more options depending on situation. But in Return, Jin has better moves to just through out and keep in check the opponent. I REALLY feel jin and yoshi are quite similar. He honestly takes SO much time to master, but also, once you master him, the opponent doesnt know sh*t about your playstyle. But doesnt the same go for jin to a lesser extend? Im curious where yoshi would be placed roughly^^

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

I think Akuma and Lee are the hardest but akuma is #1. Kazuya is a great character to learn defense and patience but also required great execution so hes number 3. Akuma is so hard he's not even fun to play as.

[@Wavedashnoir]

Akuma is literally easy

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

​@@Wavedashnoir As demonstrated by TMM in this very video.

[@zephune9506]

@@Wavedashnoir 🧢akuma is hardest

[@KamZee22]

Im an akuma main with all the big boi execution and everyone always says its easy. I say okay screenshare me on steam and do the combo I landed.... Silence or excuses every time

[@mypes-fe5bz]

Jin has fastest launchable punishers , safe and long reach poke game , great 50-50 , broken parry , complete through game , safe wall game , fast great mix-ups . And he is still hard to play 🤡 I think the hardest part of jin's game part is his 95% player don't know this character very well

[@MrWooedit]

5)Akuma /Lee 4)Bryan 3)Jin 2)Steve 1) kazuya

[@lhautlow]

Kinda disagree on Bryan case. 3+4 is stepable, but as you said, he's got broken homing moves and a 50/50 to top it of, which makes him way easier then you say. Also, at very high level, taunt jet upper is kinda needed, otherwhise it's just overkill. Gameplan whise, he has really strong offense, really strong keep away, really strong anti step, really strong 50/50, really strong counter hit launchers. I think Devil Jin is actually harder. I also think Nina might be harder because her gameplan rely heavily on poking (with some risks) and she's pretty hard execution whise.

[@Skimask187]

Devil Jin definitely isn’t harder atleast in my opinion I can’t poke or do shit with Bryan or it’s maybe because I’ve been playing Mishima for a long time

[@sncrllo]

I agree that lee becomes hard when he has a patient opponent. realized that when i got into a mirror match

[@SimbaChar]

I used to hate Bryan with a passion. Soul would drop every time his splash screen showed up. But I grew really curious into his game plan and strange inputs, and he's my favorite character now. And yeah, still not mighty ruler xD but close. Stuck in seiryu and I don't care for ranked anymore.

[@CaptainVulcan]

Kazuya is definitely the most difficult character to me. Followed by Heihachi, Bryan, Akuma... Jin/Steve, Lee, and Hwoarang. I think Yoshimitsu should be up in there, somewhere...

[@notkennethdt]

I have 350+ wins with bryan, I can do taunt b4 (sometimes) but I can't get out of the green ranks. It is true that he doesn't have cheese and his optimal combos are so damn hard.

[@Kjernekar]

Kazuya would be the hardest if not every kid and their mother could do electric after df2 ch online. So many macro users it's insane.

[@slurmsmckenzie.]

Damn you know if those are rampant in psn?

[@tchatman]

​@@slurmsmckenzie.Everyone can do electrics now tbh

[@cloudcoastgaming]

Steve the second hardest?? Damn! And I’ve always been a Steve main. 😂 crazy how much tekken you’ve played when you look back at it.

[@mccollio0909]

Basically, this whole list is done on execution barrier. That's not "difficulty". Difficult is consistently winning at all levels with a D tier character. Gigas should be here for example. Dragunov has to work harder for wins than anyone on here.

[@rhyanvalk7897]

Hardest in the game is kunimitsu Said no one ever

[@sO_RoNerY]

You don’t and can’t die in Tekken during a match. I don’t know why people insist on saying that.

[@Jeneric81]

Highest execution characters are everyone with a backsway

[@fortisch]

2:45 "no cheese" I respectfully disagree with that. I also think, that every character with a confusing gameplan or too many details in their gameplan, is harder.

[@Zencho639]

Ppl think that play Kazuya is doing hell sweep, ewgf and wavu. And thats it. You only can understand how difficult is Kazuya mastering him, is a hell rank up with him. Your Kazuya just for move need execution, and you need to be very good he can't carry you, he doesn't have the tools like for example Jin has.

[@Kizuke21]

people think steve doesnt have execution requirements? wgat? and bryan? people really think this?

[@JoyKazuhira]

kazuya is the hardest and number 1 by kazuya mains. heihachi has demon uppercut and df2, paul has demo man and deathfist, also kazuya has a mid ch and hellsweep.

[@sadpotato9627]

so TMM is a hypocrite. the character he prefers are never cheap lol. if he starts playing with asuka tomorrow then asuka will not be cheap anymore

[@SGHNTZ]

So what makes Kazuya cheap in your opinion? Omg he has an electric and his damage is really high from an unsafe mid ch launcher, oh he also have hellsweep which gives him oki, like no other character can do this from the roster, but 100 times better and easier.

[@datguy6745]

I kiiiiinda wanna add yoshimitsu, but he kinda has similar issues as Akuma just on the other end of the Tierlist. So in essence, no matter how hard the shit you do, you will only ever probably be B+ to A Tier and that is ONLY thanks to flash IF you know how to use it and B3/B4 evasion. His gameplan is so unique though if played "Correctly".