THE DEBATE FROM HELL - 2005 (USA) vs 2006 (CHINA) Dean From Hell - (Dimebag Darrell)

[@randymiles904]

I have a Chinese dean from hell and it's just as good as any of my Korean deans. Very well made guitar. Nice video man.

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks!

[@layups]

Are the Chinese and Korean guitars the same hardware and if so what manufacturing differences exist between the two?

[@randymiles904]

@@layups they are the same on the dime models. The regular ml's, v, z or whatever used lower quality everything. Still not bad guitars. Fantastic mod platforms. But yeah the Chinese dfh's are specd like the high end imports, right down to the wiring and pots.

[@Stones_022]

Chinese dean would be just as good as a Korean or USA Dean, just throw a FR 1000 or original, and the super distortion and a dimebucker and you’d be good

[@chrisgriewe9662]

I happened to snatch up a 2006 Chinese model for $80 (yup, eighty) about 6 years ago. The headstock had busted and been professionally repaired and there is some cosmetic issues, but for the small amount I paid I don’t really care.

[@EricMorettin]

What a score!

[@pharris125]

I also have one of the 2006 Chinese models. I'm not a fan of Chinese made things, but at that time I wasn't able to afford the USA version. I was very pleasantly surprised by how great it sounded and still sounds.

[@EricMorettin]

They're great guitars and I'll recommend them, especially for their current prices compared to the USA ones.

[@derrekkkkk]

@@EricMorettin Hi man, Very good video. I’d like to buy a dean dimebag dean from hell cfh electric guitar lightning from 2006. I saw one new (with plastic film on) for 1700€. (Not too expensive ?) What do you think of the price ? Is a Dean Dimebag Dime Slime ML for 1260 € is best way ? Kind regard

[@ToddGillespie1977]

I was fortunate enough to grab a Chinese Dean slime in December for $600 and now it seems they’re trying to sell them used for a ton now but honestly it plays well and sounds great especially with the cheap mods I did so I want to play it constantly instead of worrying about damaging it 😂

[@josephmarrufo8592]

Loved your review brother awesome work 🤟

[@EricMorettin]

@@josephmarrufo8592 thanks 🙏

[@theaveragejoebody]

I wrote a question in your older video and I think this video will answer my question

[@kevanharmon8018]

glad to see a fellow wilde xl500 pickup user staying true to the og dimebucker

[@lordgarbage4319]

not only can you not hear any difference between the variants of the "dimebucker" pickup, but nobody cares which one you're using either

[@kevanharmon8018]

@@lordgarbage4319 yeah bud a wilde 500xl sounds nothing like a dimebucker

[@MaSt3rDeBaTeR]

I have an 06 Chinese model and love it. The only Bill Lawrence I've ever experienced and it sounds fantastic!

[@EricMorettin]

The Bill Lawrence xl500 is such a great pickup

[@MaSt3rDeBaTeR]

@@EricMorettin you said the grey wire bill lawrence is the original one that dimebag used correct? whats the difference?

[@EricMorettin]

@@MaSt3rDeBaTeR yup the grey wire is the original. I believe manufacturing changed through the years, and the newer ones (USA variant) that were found on the DFH's before switching to the Dimebucker have larger rail magnets and have more wires for split coil/phase configurations. Larger rail sizes affect the tone as well.

[@CS-ru4xd]

@@MaSt3rDeBaTeR Actually the Bill Lawrence in this Chinese example is the l500 xl built by Becky Lawrence at Wilde pickups and can be identified by the slightly wider rails and the absence of the black epoxy filler around the bobbins (also if you look at the under side there should be a sticker with Bill's signature, an American flag sticker and multiple loose multi-colored wires) and can still be ordered by her and her daughter to this day. I've ordered (4) in the last two months. Some models can be found with the "Bill Lawrence USA" pickups and can be identified by the white lettering on the bobbins and look more like the original BL pickups but are considered to be inferior to the Originals. And then you have the ones built by the man himself as found in the older USA models like the one in this video. I have examples of all three versions and oddly I find the ones built by Becky to be slightly hotter but in a good way. Hope this helps.

[@CLROY-r1g]

I have #75 that is flawless im looking to get ride of it. Its will come as new and with a Vinny Pual autographed insert . The case does however have some puppy damage in one small spot

[@MrJermeyp]

My 06 Chinese DFH is amazing . Plus , with dean not making them anymore it’s just going to KEEP appreciating in value over the years win win especially considering I only paid 250 for it and the case around 2015

[@EricMorettin]

Yeah they're made very well! If you're only looking to flip it that's for another story, but I think being able to play these guitars and have them in your arsenal (especially if they mean a lot to you) is more valuable than financial gain.

[@manicmurph]

My Dime 3 has the V shaped neck. I love it. Too bad I can't play it that much cause it's signed by the whole band. They sound almost identical to me.

[@EricMorettin]

@@manicmurph what D3 do you have?

[@JonnySoundSounds]

if you run the full size string retainer behind the nut it holds the strings down against the nut that way it wont go sharp when you you tighten the nut locking bolts down a very crucial part actually. it makes switching string and tuning up worlds easier

[@LifeRunner4000]

I bought a Korean made DfH last summer, at least I think it is, anyway. Don't really have anything bad to say about it, I've spent a TON of time playing with it, done some gigging and I guess the only issues I've had are more likely to be my fault rather than the guitar since this is the first Floyd Rose equipped guitar I've ever had. Plays great, sounds great, looks great. It's really great bang for the buck if you ask me.

[@EricMorettin]

Nice! What letter is at the beginning of the serial number? There are good guitars all over no matter where they are made

[@dylangajdosik964]

There are no Korean made DFHs. All of them from 2006 to 2021 were made in China. If you got one with the first 5 years, then it came with a Bill Lawrence and a solid black floyd rose, trem arm, and locking nut. All of them after that came with a Dimebucker and black chrome hardware. I have a USA Dean Dime Slime and a USA Dean Dime Classic Black. I would love to find a USA DFH at a decent price, but I'd settle for a mint 2006 Chinese model.

[@bobzmuda3940]

@@dylangajdosik964 so if it says made in/crafted in korea, its fake?

[@dylangajdosik964]

@@bobzmuda3940 what's the serial number start with

[@bobzmuda3940]

@@dylangajdosik964 @LifeRunner said he bought a korean dfh last summer, i’ll ask him

[@JonnySoundSounds]

i play vintage 60s fender jaguars for 20 years back when nobody cared about them and they were cheap. my guilty pleasure guitar has been a dean ml since i was a teenager i finally bought one. i got a 2013 chicago flame made in korea, i have to say its an amazingly well made guitar i was surprised. i found one in new condition last month had all the plastic still on it. the guitar is mahogany body with maple top, mahogany neck with Soft medium V shape it feels great, dimarzio super distortions american hardware its amazing guitar for what i paid. im very happy with it

[@shredbacca]

i got me an 06 china made dfh for 500$ with a case a few months back so far its my favorite/best playing guitar i got

[@jonsierra723]

Sooo the DiMarzio super distortion on the neck sounds like an emg 85 ( as in thick and kind of creamy)... I want it

[@EricMorettin]

Lots of people overlook how great and versatile this pickup is!

[@jonsierra723]

@@EricMorettin i am getting it because of you lol

[@batdelgerganzorig7152]

Awesome review

[@EricMorettin]

@@batdelgerganzorig7152 thanks!!

[@clementcomes1516]

I love my Y08 CFH rather than my 06 Korean Dime-o-Flame! The neck on this one is just perfect, the edge of the V shape to rest the thumb while soloing feels sooo good! As for the chinese guitars, I've got an early evh special with all the usa parts in it, an absolute killer instrument. If China can make iphones, they can make (good) guitars too ! Look at Eastman 🙂 Thank you for all your videos, keeping the legacy alive🤘

[@samuelbloomfield8538]

Interesting video. Great comparison! Do either of those models have the Dime logo on the back of the headstock? I have an 06 China model, which only has a serial number on the back, but I notice most photos I see online have a silhouette of Dimebag printed on the back of the headstock. Do you know, is that something they added on newer versions?

[@martijnrijkse7611]

Youre right.

[@kevinfidler8074]

I think the dime silhouette is on the korea made deans. I have the same dean from hell you're talking about with the serial number on the back of the headstock. I also have 3 other deans, the dime oflame, dime slime, and the fbr tribute guitar. They all have the silhouette.

[@lisabellavia1]

Great video! Before I buy one, what is the Dime tax you mention?

[@EricMorettin]

People will say "dime tax" when they see the price of these guitars on the used market because they are apparently "not worth what they're selling for", "just because his name is on it means the price is high" etc. The fact of the matter is supply and demand. The guitars are rare and getting harder to find daily. If you don't like the price, then simply move on and don't make a scene.

[@lisabellavia1]

@@EricMorettin Ohh okay. I got a FBD for (what I considered) a reasonable price, and the DFHs that are popping up when I search range from 800-2,000. You mention they're rare; I should probably take the leap. It was between this and a Slime. Gonna go lightning bolts.

[@EricMorettin]

@@lisabellavia1 all guitar stores that ordered Dean Dimebag signature models are finally receiving them, so try your luck there if you can find a brand new one that was backordered.

[@KenshinAnneEpisodes]

both perfect 10 10 to me

[@azzazz4549]

I got a chinese Washburn custom made with one piece of wood

[@johnmckay333]

Hi, I have one of the Chinese models Y06 etc. You really piqued my interest when you mentioned that your mate was going to replace the licenced Floyd rose because I have been toying with the same idea since I bought it. I just wonder if he’s settled on a model and if so, which one? I haven’t moved on the idea because I’m worried I’ll mess up the order and it won’t fit. The licenced FR is awful.

[@ThePolyesterPimp]

I swapped my Floyd Rose Special with an Original and haven’t had any of the issues I had with the Special. Make sure to swap out the mounting screws with the ones that come with the Original and make sure to lubricant it with that 3 in 1 pfte oil

[@EricMorettin]

I believe he's buying an Original Floyd Rose

[@dimecfh6669]

I'm curious to what number USA model that is. My guitar dealer hooked me up and I got #10 of 150.

[@EricMorettin]

Mines in the 120s

[@babysmurfable]

I really want the china made one. Just wish they still made them :(

[@EricMorettin]

If you look hard you might be able to find one used or NOS.

[@kevinfidler8074]

There are China made copies of every dimebag guitar on ebay for +/- $400 Both Washburn and Dean

[@rayadame5803]

I’d really like to see pots see how it’s wired see what’s it got in it and the radius of the fretboard

[@EricMorettin]

@@rayadame5803 fretboard radius should be the same around 10-12 degrees and the wiring is the same.

[@dylangajdosik964]

Dean was a great company when Elliot Rubinson was alive. That man knew what it took to run a great business, and he was also a killer bass player from what Michael Angelo Batio and some of the other old school Dean artists have said. His son Evan destroyed everything he worked so hard to build. It's Evan's fault why the Dime Estate left Dean, and every other artist that has left the last few years. As far as quality goes though, they had and still have one of the best USA Custom Shops in the game.

[@EricMorettin]

Agreed, the company was stellar under Dean and Elliot respectively. It's too bad what's happened to it recently. I've talked to lots of former high-level Dean artists and they all left at the same time for the same reason - which we all know. Their USA builds are fantastic and I would still buy anything that was built under Elliot or Dean's ownership.

[@derrekkkkk]

Hi man, Very good video. I’d like to buy a dean dimebag dean from hell cfh electric guitar lightning from 2006. I saw one new (with plastic film on) for 1700€. (Not too expensive ?) What do you think of the price ? Is a Dean Dimebag Dime Slime ML for 1260 € is best way ? Kind regard

[@Lucas-nu8ur]

mate, It's hard to find any dean from hell. What are ur thoughts on buying an aliexpress replica and changing the whole set-up, like pickups, wiring, potentiometers, strings, knobs, switch, bridge and so on ?

[@EricMorettin]

I think that's more work then necessary. You'll probably spend as much money, if not more, on an Ali Express guitar and upgrades (especially if you're paying someone to do it). That's also not considering if the guitar is actually good or not. Save your money and be ready to jump on a Dean from Hell when it pops up.

[@Lucas-nu8ur]

@@EricMorettin thanks dude

[@AFXSnares]

Don't buy direct from the chinese. Take it from someone who got burned twice. Even giving them blueprints/plans they still managed to mess it up.

[@dylangajdosik964]

Bro, what happened to your USA DFH? There's gashes all over the front of that guitar. Did you buy it like that, or did the person you buy it from not give a damn about it and treated it like shit?

[@matthewcutrone7073]

I have an 06 Razorback shards. China. I have no idea what the value is. I got it for 200 with the case

[@henripakarinen7526]

Great video man! Do you know how much the made in china one cost back in 06? And what they are worth now?

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks! Check online for current used prices

[@jonk5000]

my chinese dfh is the nicest playing and sounding dean I own, easily over my early korean dime o flame and 79 trans brazilia, top notch guitar. something about the squeals just pop n' scream on it

[@EricMorettin]

Nice!

[@layups]

Are the Chinese and Korean Dean from Hell guitars the same hardware and if so what manufacturing differences exist between the two?

[@EricMorettin]

The Dean from Hell was never made in Korea. It changed production from China to India at some point and may have completed production back in China.

[@caiden31]

I think the China guitar has just a warmer sound but both sound great

[@kickfighting1015]

Always wanted an ML. Especially a Dean from hell. But could never get into the feeling of the guitar. Been playing since the mid 90's. And have passed up several. But they don't feel right to me Ironic , because I bought a Z model with the same specs and it feels great. Go figure.

[@sanderwaglen4904]

there is a dean from hell USA up for grabs nearby. you think i should try and trade my Washburn D333 dimebolt with it?

[@EricMorettin]

@@sanderwaglen4904 yeah I'd sell the 333 for the USA

[@sanderwaglen4904]

@@EricMorettin he didnt wanna trade😂 ion wanna risk selling it, and not be able to get it

[@EricMorettin]

@@sanderwaglen4904 yeah sell the 333 privately then fund a USA from it

[@sanderwaglen4904]

@@EricMorettin gonna put it up for sale tonight😁

[@ToddGillespie1977]

Man I’d love to see a video about how to set a top mount trem to float enough to do those bar pulls. Did he have the neck shimmed?

[@EricMorettin]

Top mount will have lots of room to move since a tune o Matic bridge sits higher than something like a hipshot bridge.

[@dylangajdosik964]

No the neck was not shimmed. Darrell's model came with a tune-o-matic which also means that his neck was pitched 3 degrees. That's why his guitar was top mounted. It's the only way it would work.

[@carlossantiago4621]

I’ve been looking everywhere for ether one of those and I can’t find em. Lol

[@evilg0d581]

Is the nut r3 or r2?

[@parrishvinson3689]

The ack panels look to be in different spots from one another

[@burnoutmasters7406]

So the Chinese dean from hell is as good as the USA one?

[@EricMorettin]

Yeah they felt pretty much identical.The stock Import model needs some of the hardware and electronics upgraded though.

[@theweirddude7157]

You should buy the Dean ML Buddy Blaze and test it. It's one of the cheapest Razorbacks I found

[@EricMorettin]

That guitar isn't really my thing, but it's sweet Dean gave him a signature guitar for essentially putting them on the map alongside Darrell!

[@hiroza9221]

is this bridge pickup bill lawrence l500 xl bill and becky? or usa?

[@EricMorettin]

USA was an original grey wire like dime used and I believe the import was a USA

[@YsAbTones]

can i ask what string brand/gauge you using here?

[@EricMorettin]

String source Amethyst standard set 9-44

[@johng1584]

china deans are great upgrade platforms ive done this with two of mine already throw some pickups and a new bridge on it and its a whole diffrent guitar

[@EricMorettin]

Yeah they just need some upgrades after you get em. They rip after that though

[@brianpetty7852]

Where can i get one of the chinese deans? My cousins birthday is next month and i want to buy him one

[@EricMorettin]

Used market or brand new back orders from Dean dealers

[@novacanesunshine]

Yesterday i got myself a chinese dean from hell , for 600 euro , i wonder if its a good deal , greetings from the netherlands

[@adrianrandis]

Where can you buy the chinese dean ml?

[@EricMorettin]

@@adrianrandis anywhere that has it listed! Try reverb

[@adrianrandis]

@@EricMorettin thanks 👍

[@rockman49er]

I got one but its darker blue and says Washburn dime 333 on it

[@EricMorettin]

Right on, that's a great guitar!

[@RPR-bh5kc]

Almost seems like the chinese one has a bit more attack which i kinda like

[@slagmaggot]

I have a CFH Dean ML it has no country of origin on it but it's serial number starts with the letter Y where is it from any ideas?

[@EricMorettin]

Y = Made in China

[@slagmaggot]

@@EricMorettin ok thank you.

[@slagmaggot]

@@EricMorettin Prices sure have gone up since I bought mine.

[@EricMorettin]

@@slagmaggot You're welcome!

[@slagmaggot]

@@EricMorettin And now there are Chinese fakes of Chinese guitars.

[@rjv6390able]

How much you want for that 05?

[@EricMorettin]

Feel free to contact me on one of my social media platforms for any guitar sales! This one isn't for sale at the moment.

[@Razrback]

what tuning are you using in demo

[@EricMorettin]

1/4 step flat

[@Vxnpl]

Where can I get the 2005 usa dean from

[@EricMorettin]

Used market!

[@Vxnpl]

@@EricMorettin what do I look up for it I can’t seem to find anything

[@EricMorettin]

@@Vxnpl they're not available then. They rarely show up

[@Vxnpl]

@@EricMorettinoh ok thank u

[@iceWaterProductions1]

First of all the 2005 USA wouldn’t be available and if you could it’s highly collectible and worth 10K+. I own #44 and it’s only has a couple of chords ever played on it.

[@ThePolyesterPimp]

How are the import Deans from the past few years? Mine was made in India

[@EricMorettin]

Honestly I have mixed reviews from the ones I've played, and more so negative at the moment. Maybe the examples I tried were lemons. I'd like to get some more on the channel to try and compare.

[@ThePolyesterPimp]

@@EricMorettin ah shoot that stinks. Mind you it’s a 79 ML, not sure if the qc is different for one or the other. The luthier I took mine to for a set up said it was “fine.” Since then I’ve upgraded/changed everything except the tuners and nut. I’ve had fun with it for the year or so I’ve had it. Also! What’s the thickness of the USA body? When I switched out the Floyd Rose Special to a German made one I swapped out the stock 37mm tone block to 32mm fat brass block, but even after that, the springs and block were rubbing on the back plate. Come to find out the stock one was 27mm.

[@eeyorebenji2836]

Both my dean select and my dean 79 are both great as far as I’m concerned

[@EricMorettin]

@@eeyorebenji2836 awesome! I've played some great Ml 79s as well as some ones that weren't so great

[@randymiles904]

I've got one from the last year they were made. It has the pau Ferro fretboard. It's an awesome guitar. Very well made. The dimebucker and dimetime pickups are great. The Floyd special is very good too. People like to bitch about them but they're good. Also they're the same dimension as the original, so you can upgrade them with original parts. I recommend them.

[@wardhox]

Hey huys. Very nice vidéo. Do ya think it is possible, to share what seller you used , for your chinese guitare ?

[@kevinfidler8074]

There are so many china made knock off dean and washburn guitars on ebay I started to wonder if my dean from hell guitar was a china dean or a china copy of a dean. Just looked at the back of the headstock like you mentioned and its a Y06.

[@EricMorettin]

Yours is legit then

[@kevinfidler8074]

@EricMorettin it feels a lot different than the made in Korea dean guitars. Thanks for the quick reply by the way

[@EricMorettin]

@@kevinfidler8074 probably because of the neck shape. DFH has a V shape neck and the older Korean models mainly had C shape necks

[@kevinfidler8074]

@EricMorettin maybe a combination of that, the dime slime not having paint on the neck, and the extra layer of wood on the body

[@rafaelbuchhornolinto4173]

Is this bridge really god? (china version)

[@EricMorettin]

This one was fine yes. I've played others that were not good

[@Skeks_s]

First one wasn't in tune when you started playing

[@EricMorettin]

Both guitars are tuned 1/4 step flat from standard

[@wardhox]

Dimebag used 425khz not 440. It is why, you thought was not tuned

[@donotfret]

Bought last week a China dime slime $300 hot sale now $400

[@THEJOEDAVISBAND]

the 06 chinease sounds great,

[@EricMorettin]

They are fantastic guitars indeed!

[@mikeesplain3923]

Dime Tax?? That's somethin new..u have more info on this

[@EricMorettin]

People keep saying "Dime tax" when they see a used Dimebag related guitar for the current prices they're going for. Yes, they can be out of reach for some people. But if you look hard enough, you may be able to find a deal or negotiate a deal with a seller. A lot of the current prices are related to supply and demand of these guitars.

[@manueldelgado4728]

My Chinese one has original Floyd

[@EricMorettin]

@@manueldelgado4728 probably upgraded

[@fazriseal1871]

Saya main lebih ke rhythm.. suka bentuknya

[@StreetsleeperUK]

I think the Chinese sounds just as good. Except for the neck pickup

[@EricMorettin]

They're very close to eachother

[@DavidMadeira29]

I think the chinese manufactured is the good one, because the USA can be tough, d'you know?! Namastè.

[@EricMorettin]

What do you mean by tough?

[@eeshsinger]

Hi, I'm new here. I found him on Instagram. I want to say that he's awesome. I want to wish for this channel to grow larger :DD. I want to say as well, I've always aspired to own a dean from hell too.

[@harrispj4205]

The quality of " Made in China " guitars has definitely increased.

[@EricMorettin]

100%

[@guitaR..]

Chinese sounds a bit better to me!

[@jakan756]

True

[@rexmasters1541]

I have a DEAN ML from 1979 and it amazing. The new Dean junk does not compare at all.

[@EricMorettin]

I love those old Dean MLs. Would love to own one!

[@mikezehype]

stricly no sound difference between the two guitars...

[@EricMorettin]

And they both feel very close

[@stuartewoldt1513]

Omg, the China made 1 is better😮

[@Mr3devo3]

American looks better... Chinese sounds better. At least on this video.

[@CS-ru4xd]

Because the pickups in the Chinese model are built (and are still being built) by Bill Lawrence's wife and daughter at Wilde pickups and are slightly hotter than the Originals...I have (4) of them and I actually prefer them slightly over the Originals. Just my opinion.

[@robertsterling76]

I have an ESP dimebolt it's better then all usa Korea China Japan is the best at metal guitars

[@EricMorettin]

Sweet, would love to see it! Is it the Edwards model?

[@JonnySoundSounds]

obviously the american is gonna be the better guitar but they cost almost 5 to 7 times as much

[@oxananagornaya9216]

Оставте на свои палки не бил лоуренс а Фокин крашер х, это круче

[@manueldelgado4728]

😮 the Chinese one sounded better