How to break the Holy Roman Empire

How to break the Holy Roman Empire | Crusader Kings 2

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@daddyleon 4 жыл бұрын

8:38 that dude (on the bottom row: al-Majid, Emir of Faiyum) has negative 6% plot power???? No idea that is even possible!

@samwolfenstein5239 4 жыл бұрын

I honestly thought this was a video from some big paradox youtuber, and was wondering how I hadn't ever heard of you. Then I looked at the views and sub count... you're criminally underrated cobba, subbin up

@Midgeman 4 жыл бұрын

Probably the funniest thing is my channels been going longer than a lot of others 😝 Honestly I really don't mind too much. Although since turning to edited videos is harder to not see them do as well. I'm actually going to try and stream more rather than post to KZbin.

@alvarohernani6645 4 жыл бұрын

@@Midgeman do i need DLC?

@ChungusOmega Жыл бұрын

The HRE is the easiest way to speedrun catholic world conquest basically

@No14210 10 ай бұрын

TLDR coming in. They are so OP that the 1066 game start is basically broken. I didn't always notice this immediately, but it became very apparent when I thought I'd enable the sweet new Jade Dragon casus belli. Then the HRE just started grabbing duchies left and right with the de jure duchy casus belli. So I switched those CBs off again. But even then, they are extremely powerful. I looked to see if anyone else noticed this, and I found some threads on the Paradox forums complaining about it, and this video. But no real solutions, although subverting the HRE from the inside with the Assassins as shown here is a pretty fun one. Funny thing is, early on in the game start, the HRE is sometimes challenged by independence factions. I was playing Apulia in 1066 and saw Tuscany and some other duchies actually going independent while the emperor was excommunicated. I decided to pile on by launching a "Papal War" (a CB that lets you conquer the Romagna and other historical parts of the Papal States on behalf of the Papacy), but unfortunately lost, and the HRE was able to reassert itself after that. I could go on and on about what makes the CK2 HRE so OP, but basically they are like the 19th and 20th century German Empires, highly homogenous and centralised and able to mobilise vast armies for aggressive expansionism. Basically the opposite of the real-life HRE, although the medieval HRE was not quite as toothless as the early modern one that was famously mocked by Voltaire. The way succession works is pretty meritocratic, meaning that the emperor is usually a guy with great stats, and lots of opinion bonuses stacking up for them that tend to outweigh even the maluses for excommunication and short reign, if those even apply. If they don't, they are basically invincible. The way the AI works, they will just keep expanding by whatever means are available to them, so obviously they will eventually set up an antipope and make war against the papacy to vassalise the pope. And for whatever reason, I as the king of Sicily next-door had no possibility to "Offer to join war" to the pope, as I'm sure the other Catholic rulers didn't either. So the emperor can just walk into Rome with a doomstack and literally declare himself bigger than Jesus, making the pope bend the knee to him instead of the other way around. An event that, in reality, would provoke a bigger and deadlier continental war than the Reformation, 30 Years' War and Napoleonic Wars combined. Or at least to instability similar to the Investiture Controversy, or the Western Schism. Certainly the opinion penalties and foreign conflicts caused by such a thing should be so big that it would be impossible to mobilise a 50k doomstack. But because of the way the game works, it's actually a massive boon to the emperor, and everyone will just rally mindlessly around his pope. So anyone dumb enough to start his own antipope will get warred on, not even by the HRE, but by all the other kingdoms who will just mindlessly follow the German-captive pope. There is no such thing as a "Liberate the Papacy" (for example) CB that you could imagine several kingdoms teaming up for. Then the HRE will obviously always carry the lion's share of any crusades. So for example, a member of the HRE's dynasty will take over Egypt after a crusade, and then within no time, the emperor will have a claim on Egypt and take it for himself, and then it's just holy wars after holy wars until Jerusalem and Mecca fall too. And the Muslims just sit there and let their holy cities get desecrated, and launch jihads for places like Tunis instead. Annoyingly, the other empire (Byzantines) are nerved pretty well by the many claimant wars. Since they have no crusades and can't holy-war against Catholics (which is fair), and they are counterweighed and sometimes outclassed by the Seljuks, they can't expand rapidly. At most, they sometimes take some provinces in southern Italy or Libya. Then they usually get BTFO by a crusade being redirected against them (4th Crusade style), with usually 200k-300k troops arrayed against them, including 60k-70k from the HRE, as always, and they never recover from that. But the HRE has nothing to balance them unless the player fights them tooth and nail, or joins them and then subverts them. In my game, I eventually decided to swear fealty to the emperor with a high-intrigue Satanist cult member, and use my intrigue to force the pope to join my independence faction. This time at least, the pope got all the de jure Papal States except Ferrara for some reason. I immediately got the pope to excommunicate the emperor too. But then when I tried the "Papal War" thing again to help the pope get Ferrara, all the neighbouring kingdoms got called into war by the HRE, despite not having any pacts with them, despite the emperor being excommunicated. Which OK, I would get if it was the Papal States trying to take an excessive amount of land from defenceless neighbours, but here it's still the HRE with its massive doomstacks. So you have to be lucky to weaken them at all. And even at this stage, they still own Hungary, Egypt, Mecca, etc. I can only hope the Mongols will give them something to cry about at this point. Right now all this is just complaining after the fact, as most people have moved on to CK3, so none of this will ever be fixed. And already so many things have fluctuated between OP and nerfed since 2012, it would be hard to think of a quick fix. One thing that would help, and that's a chance that Holy Fury missed, is to make the papacy and antipopes more dynamic. Now, antipopes are just for the benefit of the king that makes them, and if you're an emperor-level like the HRE, you can just vassalise the pope and you've won the game forever. Whereas really, the existence of any kind of vassalised pope (anti- or otherwise) should probably create schisms and heresies with at least some balance between them, or being able to call "crusades" between them. Then the other thing is that the HRE should probably not be able to indiscriminately use all its levies for aggressive foreign expansion. There should probably be some CK1-style block on mobilising levies for offensive wars for all vassals with opinions below 50 or so. It's like yeah, these games are just meme generators at this point, few people care about this stuff. They just want their gay popes and restored Hellenic pagan sister-wives and LOL I MADE MY HORSE CHANCELLOR. But the whole medieval strategy part is lost at this point just because one empire has all the pre-baked ingredients to paint the map.

@tjdekort1997 5 жыл бұрын

This was great fun looking forward to the next one

@nathannate5982 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent work. Can't wait for more!

@Midgeman 5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@MusTewoest 5 жыл бұрын

yeah it was a good end to the secret missions community game as well .. ^_^

@Midgeman 5 жыл бұрын

Really was!

@Oliver9402 4 жыл бұрын

Fun fact you can also start the game as the hre kaiser.

@Liuhuayue 4 жыл бұрын

You didn't break it do much as take it over from within and convert its faith, but it was interesting.

@lolololXDXD123 5 жыл бұрын

Liking the new format, and very interesting vid. A bit of feedback; the ways of following you seemed oddly placed, you got really quiet at the end and at times the game was very loud so maybe check the audio over, and finally please keep up the hard work!

@Midgeman 5 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Yeah I've had audio issues this weekend which made it into the recording of this it seems! But I'll try