CRUSADER KINGS 2 REVIEW IN 2022 - Still better than CK3?

[@steven2183]

One trend amongst game development I have noticed throughout the last 3 decades that is true of so many games is that the addition of 3D graphics is too often a sales gimmick that detracts from the quality of the gameplay. Especially strategy games...

[@jimlthor]

It's killing air combat games, and really a lot of genres that used to be super fun. They spend so much time on art and making sure things are "accurate" that they don't focus on the most important part, which is fun gameplay. There's a new game coming out called Battlebit Remastered. It's like what Battlefield should be. Much more fun, and the graphics are pretty much Minecraft level. But it allows the devs to throw in new content very quickly since they don't have to spend months designing vehicles or guns

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

At this point idgaf about graphics, give me gameplay/mechanics with depth, complexity, variety in play style, and strategy that's engaging and keeps me coming back. Quit trying to manipulate me into playing your game, your "Player Engagement" philosophy has never and will never work on a lot of us. We see it coming a mile away. Make a good game with gameplay mechanics that have depth and we will naturally want to engage it on our own. We're like cats, doesn't matter what fkn name you call us or what little stupid tricks you try we aren't coming to you till we decide we want to.

[@elasolezito]

I'll agree with that, the thing i like about modern games is accessibility, better UI etc... the old games in general are headache for this. Now about shallow gameplay, that's developer's fault, modern times have so much potential.

[@swindle2345]

what I loved avout ck2 is that it doesnt take itself very seriously while still having excellent and deep mechanics. I love ck3 too but it just seems so anemic compared to its predecessor

[@KikomochiMendoza]

It seems anemic because devs deliberately left out some core gameplay elements that they plan to release as DLCs. The recent DLCs, especially the activities one was a literal game changer. I suspect that will carry on in the future DLCs, one of which I suspect allows you to play as a Republic or even as a Theocrat.

[@Freedmoon44]

Keeping us from Playing republics again and from Having the Nomadic governement only to later release them most definitly as DLC's AGAIN is so scummy honestly​@@KikomochiMendoza

[@dougcarneiro]

Wow. I am still to play (not even bought yet) CK III. It is been a few years since my last CKII campaign. To be honest, adulthood has stripped me away from almost any free time, and lets be honest, grand strategy games are very much time consuming. Lately my gaming time has been very casual at the best. But watching this video was a very welcome trip in the memory lane. So many fond memories from playing this game, gosh. Next free weekend I surely will bring this boy back and play for a few hours on the row for old time sake's. Thank you for bringing back these presumably forgotten memories.

[@AndysTake]

Thank you for saying that, Douglas! I hope you enjoy your next meeting with CK2, it’s definitely a gem! :)

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

My issue now that I'm older is by the time I get home from work I just don't feel like sitting Infront of the computer and playing a lot of the time. I was a hardcore FPS player for decades, but around the time CoD BO Cold War came out I was 30-31 and just couldn't do it anymore. That's when I got into Total War games and now I'm starting to look into Paradox games as well.

[@dbz9393]

I'm recovering from a drinking addiction, so games like this really help consume my time. especially over the weekends and holidays.

[@tomhanks1769]

Yeah, CK III is way too barebones, it's fun, but once you've played it for a few weeks there really isn't anything new and exciting it can offer you. This video got me excited about CK II again, i'm sure eventually CK III will outshine CK II but for now, i should probably stick to CK II. On a sidenote, would love to see you do a video on good CK II mods that enhance gameplay.

[@AndysTake]

Thanks, TOM HANKS! Glad I could rekindle some of your love for CK2! I'd love to do a video on a CK2 mod, especially HIP, but I just adore.

[@Daro_EVE]

Do a CK2 AGoT Mod play through

[@yesfredfredburger8008]

Man, is there any war Tom Hanks isn't an expert at?

[@verySharkey]

what I most miss in CK3 fro. CK2 are the societies and orders. I just loved the flavour of dedicating myself to a spiritual or intellectual society. The life of one ruler may not be spent on enlargening the realm but rather entirely on bettering himself. In CK3 there just seems to be way too little options for engaging gameplay when its not about conquering titles or rising to ruler of your own independent realm. I can seduce and romance characters but all I get is "yep you did it" or "awe you failed" notices. No actual gameplay follows the seductions, no livid husband declares war on me despite being outmatched. the only thing I can do is exploit the affair for territorial gain either through plots to inherit more realms or through blackmail and sabotage in war.

[@anyoneatall3488]

I personaly don't like how societies work in ck 2 if i am honest

[@VirtueInEternity]

Aside from the difference in features: am I the only person who prefers the ck2 graphics by a long shot? The 3d models feel so terrible compared to ck2 graphics and the portraits lol

[@danielhermstad3323]

CK2 graphics on top dawg

[@urbantycho8486]

I much prefer the art style of CK 2, and can't get used to the white on dark text of CK 3.

[@Георг-л5л]

Till this day I still play Ck2.

[@AngSco30]

Have over 3,500 hours in CK2, and it never bored me. CK3, while pretty, just feels a little bit hollow. It feels way too easy too. Sure, CK3 has artefacts now but I still preferred them in CK2. You didn't get as many but they felt way more personal and important. And bloodlines! Gutted they aren't in CK3. I used to love collecting them. Not for everyone I know, but at least you have the option in CK2.

[@Korvinian4601]

Honestly, after playing CK3 and having 200 hours in CK2, I can’t go back into playing CK2. I feel CK3 has some mechanics and content I like, legacy, culture and traditions, council etc. CK2 has some great mechanics I’m sure but I do like the dynasty building better in CK3.

[@InspireRise300]

Thanks, I'm new. Should I get ck2 or ck3?

[@Korvinian4601]

@@InspireRise300 it’s hard to say honestly after 250 hours on CK3, there are some stuff I like in CK3 that CK2 doesn’t have, (Dynasty building, lifestyle, culture hybridisation), but I think CK2 has much more role playing. But I haven’t played it in a while. In the end, pick what you like in the end, I can answer more questions if you have any

[@immenseangloid4168]

CK3 UI is such a downgrade; in CK2, the portrait system was such a brilliant idea Utilising different borders really helps differentiate the titles and place emphasis on the grandiosity of high tier titles. In CK 3, i have to go into sub menus to find titles.

[@juhannusruusu]

also CK3 UI is so damn big... and modern-like ish... CK2's esthethics are awesome, I like the medieval stained glass on each tab.

[@immenseangloid4168]

@@juhannusruusu Exactly, it had such a distinct style.

[@Circurose]

Really? I remember I can't see shit in CK2.

[@Halz0holic]

CK3 has GUI scaling. CK2 was made in an era where 720p resolution was most common with gamers and 1080p was just about to be most adopted. Now 1440p is standard and 4k is becoming more popular. CK2 is absolute hell on high res high dpi monitors. With 4K I actually have to scale up GUI to 150% of normal to be comfortable.

[@Korban99]

I recently got ck2 and bought all the dlc for £10, I’m having a blast with it! Ck3 whilst great is lacking currently, ck2 whilst it does have a dated ui is great fun! Worth a try if ck3 has become abit tiresome EDIT - Search for Crusader Kings 2 Royal Collection, this includes the base game plus all 15 main expansions. Currently £7.09

[@Danefrak]

All?

[@ironindustries9258]

@@Danefrak I'm pretty sure he is talking about the subscription service since that's how much it costs

[@villus9384]

@@ironindustries9258no, he could mean buying them buying them, the DLC is super cheap on sites like g2a and eneba.

[@blackbat908]

@@villus9384 Not £10 cheap lol

[@BioTheHuman]

I've bought the complete CK2 edition at roughly 20€ It seems quite cheap to me. Maybe OP was just making an hyperbole, or maybe £ are worth more and things cost less? Idk 🤣

[@NicSantiagoG]

I don't even have all the DLC for ck2 but with the amount of mods I have it doesn't even matter. I bought it when the old gods DLC came out and it's the game I've played the most since.

[@BlueSky-uf6oy]

"Give me a Strategy RPG" *Gives Fire Emblem* "A REAL Strategy RPG" *Gives CK2* "Perfection"

[@stevewalsh3001]

Another vote for II. III will take years to catch up.

[@johnmorales6281]

I haven't gotten CK3 yet...I love CK2 so much almost done then starting a mega campaign on EU4

[@AndysTake]

Nice! Are you planning on getting CK3 at all? What do you love the most about CK2? :)

[@johnmorales6281]

@@AndysTake I am planning on it...for the longest I didn't have any DLC but I loved all the intrigue and consequences for every little decision you make...more so than EU4. I think my favorite thing is how much the politics affect your ability to expand your domain....it took me up to the 1145 to unite the Iberian peninsula because of all the rebellions and siblings trying to screw me over. I love the TW equivalent to CK2 and 3 but the politics are mad cunning

[@johnmorales6281]

@@AndysTake CK2 is definitely a golden game...it's platinum once you have all thr DLC

[@petergama6074]

With paradox games I have learned that the best way to learn them is to continue playing g until you loser your first campaign rince and repeat once done enough you start to get good at it

[@venomblizzard999]

love ck2 but really expensive hobby if you wanna get in late, iwas just lucky that i got that humble deal

[@NerikHolinger]

Ck2 better than ck3 ( ck3 is to easy for me)

[@thewise3551]

It’s weird. Ultimately ck2 is a very complex game and yet I understand better than any other strategy game I’ve ever tried to play.

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

You convinced me already with CKII with this review - CKIII is still being developed and is not a complete game as of yet Great review Videos like this are when I binge watch and eat

[@AndysTake]

Thank you so much, Medjay, glad to hear it :D

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@AndysTake NW

[@akshsehgal998]

AC Origins fan nice

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@akshsehgal998 yes bhai it’s awesome game

[@Tanuvein]

Hah, I never saw those ads but they are awesome. CK3 is fun for a couple of campaigns, but its a bit too simple and easy to hold my interest. It's my first CK game, and I can't help but point to things its lacking that even Total War Medieval 2 had and its insistence on continuing to be menu based instead of context based, which would make it much more readable. EU4 has a lot of options and intricacy, but even there the complexity isn't too severe, its more surface level mechanics that are often somewhat optional, but at least it has enough to keep you constantly busy and thinking about your next actions. I'd really like to see them work with deeper mechanics instead of more (such a population generated by region status consumed by war that grows organically which also effects income, trade and health - or trade based on the growth of the nations trading and their ability to sustain routes and trade relations instead of sit on a node, modeling forts after reality and needing troop and food supply, the ability to engage in conversion efforts and effect religion other than in your own regions, cultures that grow and aren't deckbased, an actual intricate technology tree with options to consider, etc.), but if CK3 at least gets this level of engagement I would consider it a victory. CK2 does sound really interesting though and I've been meaning to try it. The simple pop system and anti-realistic trade in Victoria 3 does concern me even if it looks like it might be a fun game akin to Anno series. Heck, just giving each region its historical inheritance methods would vary the game up greatly and instantly add a level of complexity from interacting with the other systems, instead of basing it on the HRE, or having more intricate nobility ranks instead of basing it on the English scheme edit: The map and graphics are actually better in CK2 in a lot of ways. Menus in CK3 look like modern tablet interface, CK2 presents everything in scroll and stonework with a map that looks realistic.

[@mohammadkamelan1047]

Thanks for the video. Where can I find a comprehensive tutorial about CK2?

[@ryanzapalac4893]

recommend quill 18.

[@JoeBlow95818]

ck2 is still miles above especially with HIP

[@Aethelhald]

Still better than CK3? Yes. Way better. Apart from the fact that it has way more content and replayability 1+ years after CK3 came out (which is unacceptable, let's be real), it also has better music. My story is similar to yours too. Was a hardcore Total War fan, tried CK2 one day after seeing those amazing trailers and became instantly addicted to it. The absolute unmitigated calamity that Rome 2 turned out to be only solidified the death of Total War for me, and their migration from history to fantasy with Warhammer solidified it even more. I enjoy fantasy, but history is where my heart is. I played CK3 for around 60 hours total before giving up, and it's honestly probably that I'll never even install it again. I just found it boring. I don't think it'll ever be able to fill CK2's shoes. Currently playing CK2 again after taking a break for a couple of years and closing in on 2,200 hours. I bet I'll hit 3,000 hours in 2023. In fact, I think I'll be playing this game on-and-off for the rest of my life. There's literally nothing else like it.

[@erickvontaschlak5701]

I think the same as you

[@chocolaterain5097]

Did you hit 3000? I'm thinking of reinstalling after I finish a CK3 campaign. I have almost 300 in each.

[@Aethelhald]

@@chocolaterain5097 Not 3,000 no because I got addicted to Classic WoW again, but I got around 2,500. It'll have to wait until 2024 hehe.

[@chocolaterain5097]

@@Aethelhald Haha nice, life is good when you get sucked in to a good game 👍

[@Rynewulf]

Fun fact about ambient soundtracks: much cheaper and easier to produce (comparatively little actual music to have made to complete the soundtrack) so a lot of strategy games have shifted to the cheaper option. Between Rome 2 and Attila, Total War games removed distinct melodies and by Warhammer 1 almost removed all non ambient soundtracks entirely. If you look up a modern Total War game's soundtrack each faction will have a 3 minute leitmotif and about 20-30 minutes of generic ambient remixes, whereas old games had entire albums of distinct songs based around the geography of the game's setting

[@restitutororbis1720]

For me ck2 was one of eaziest paradox games to learn, It took 1 or 2 videos because instead of watching i just went play It, now every day i play ck2.

[@rosenbaek5708]

Those trailers were gold!

[@AndysTake]

They were amazing! :D

[@FrostyMourne92]

Best ever.

[@michaelakerguitar]

if y'all want a somewhat better ui and graphics and gameplay, get the mods ck2+ and Novus graphicus. the modding community is so cool dude

[@fringefridge]

Playing ck3 is fun and all but the game is so dry compared to ck2 which is filled with tons and tons of fun and unexpected events. Ck3 will surely beat ck2 at some point but till then, I will get back to ck2.

[@wucebrayne277]

If ck3 didnt lock primogeniture til end game essentially id play it more, and it sucks having to imprisom, execute, or disinherit heirs. Like is it to much to get primo succession earlier? Thats just my opinion on it though

[@HeathenGaming86]

I agree I like ck2 better

[@jaywerner8415]

Considering Paradox litteraly made the BASE GAME 100% free for the rest of eternity, kinda no reason not to at least check it out. Wait....are those ACTUAL trailer for the DLC?! Oh my god, a DLC happy company with a sense of humor! Anyway, the fact that you play as "people" who are part of a "nation" is what makes Crusader Kings stand out among its fell Paradox or grand strategy titles in my opinion. Even just watching someone play it on KZbin, you get invested in their "story" and want to see how it plays out as each episode gets uploaded. Care to make DLC guide perhaps?

[@stubby5510]

I have about 3,000 hours into ck2 and it’s my favorite game. I don’t like the graphic style of ck3 and other newer strategy games. They look so rounded and generic.

[@Zackary1005]

Ck2 is a true masterpiece.

[@ww4787]

I've never been big into strategy games (usually play sand box games like Minecraft and the Sims). But the Crusader Kings games has really grabbed my interest. I've downloaded the free CK2, but am debating buying DLC or CK3. I've played many hours on CK2, but really struggle to maintain control over my vassels, and often loose battles/wars I'm sure I should win. Should I go for the easier/simpler CK3 to learn how to handle the strategies? Or stick with CK2 and get DLC to enhance the gameplay?

[@fringefridge]

Ck3 has a big future in dlc as it will be updated regularly but ck2 is just very good. My own choice is ck2

[@0786RICARDO]

Btw, I just bought the imperial pack for 30$ in instagaming.

[@chellybub]

Both are good games for different reasons. I think they're both kinda easy once you work them out. The ads were cool as! :)

[@AndysTake]

Definitely both good and even great games, but CK2 just feels deeper and more complex to me still ;) I’m excited for CK3 to catch up!

[@chellybub]

@@AndysTake I dunno if I really like one more than the other. I have had a lot of fun with both. I don't think either are particularly complex games. Maybe ck2 is a bit more, but I only played it once all the DLC was already out so it's hard to know what it was like before they added content and systems to try and compare like for like. I suppose we will have to wait and see. Once CK3 is sort of "done" with content maybe it will be better or worse. My money is on that they will both have a niche and might be better at different things they are quite different currently. Time will tell. But if I was going to go for complexity EU4 is the one that I enjoy the most for that. I really think that none of the historic PDX titles really stack up against it, and in a lot of ways CK2 is more like EU4 currently than CK3 is. So I totally get what you mean ;)

[@JoeBlow95818]

maybe one day, i hope@@AndysTake

[@name_christian]

Now I am intrigued. Will the imperial edition be on sale during pdx con?

[@boomstickYT]

if you're still interested, one of the approved paradox key distributors (wingamestore) has the imperial edition at $60. Best sale in a while i believe

[@remimk]

the 283$ price tag for all the DLC is too insane for 1 game.. 43$ for starter pack is just not enough. Ill feel like im missing content

[@jackjack-sm2jg]

Set sail on the seven seas m80

[@BioTheHuman]

You can take the whole package with less than 30$ on key shops

[@OldschoolghouI]

6:52 : a state of despair

[@johnmorales6281]

If paradox and creative assembly could come together and create a crusader king's total war.... That would probably be the greatest total war game to ever come out

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

Imagine if that was announced one day with Medieval III....god the shock and awe to that would be...stunning!

[@johnmorales6281]

@@MedjayofFaiyum Medieval III in conjunction with Paradox Gaming or Crusader Kings: Total War I'll lose my mind

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@johnmorales6281 An impossible dream but man that would be the WILDEST announcement And plus CA is taking like forever to just announce they're making a new historical at this point so I'm not even sure at this point But it'd be so wild...the thought of it makes me laugh and yet hopeful and yet praying: NOT ROME 2 NOT ROME NOT ROME 2

[@johnmorales6281]

@@MedjayofFaiyum Rome 2 tried to have more political features like in CK2 or 3 but the gameplay was not really good nor was the political system good enough to cover those problems

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@johnmorales6281 Mostly because the political system was never fully completed or finished - and when you look at the amount of factions Rome II had on launch - it was quite a lot. I believe there was a lot of features to be added with the cinematic cutscenes - but that was all scrapped out due to not enough time or anything else. Because what mind boggles me is how good the voice acting is for the Rome II trailers yet in game it's meh. The writing is good as well - we shall never know

[@mikeslay7929]

I love both these games but when I have a shit laptop now and it can run ck2 well enough, I mainly stick to ck3 because I have it on my series s.

[@datbo1]

those older ads were much cooler

[@aaanawaleh]

Nice list of strategy games from 15:22 there.

[@omaraboal-azm8705]

I totally agree

[@design7054]

Start: 5:45

[@name_christian]

Hmm, still thinking about buying. For a first time player: Buy ck3 and grow with it (dlc) or buy ck2 imperial and have a complete experience?

[@AndysTake]

It’s hard, man. Personally though… Ah it’s hard. I’d maybe start with CK3 just because it is “the future”, but use the CK2 music mod (no metal, depending on your tastes), it’s just that fricking good and important to the atmosphere. I prefer CK2 though, but you can always play around in CK3, learn it, and then go back to CK2 if you want the added depth and flavour :)

[@name_christian]

@@AndysTake hey thanks. I will do just that. But since the ck2 base game is free2play on Steam and a month of all dlcs only is 4.99, I’ll definitely check it out when I‘ve developed a decent understanding of all ck3‘s mechanics

[@AndysTake]

@@name_christian glad to hear it, good luck! Don’t be afraid to ask if you need help :)

[@leroiarouf1142]

I have 800 hour in ck2 and i still have fun and still have new thing to see... Ck3 feel empty and souless after 20hours...

[@AnarchistGoblin55]

Should i buy Ck2 with all Dlcs?

[@TheRomanPraetor]

I wish ck3 didnt get rid of the waiting for time aspect of ck2, like playing as a viking, I had to conquer all of normandy and boom now everybody is suddenly norman, all my vassals and all my counties are norman, I coqnuer england move my capitol to london and now push 1 button and everybody instantly becomes english

[@TennesseeWhiskii]

In one of these two i got an STD or something and at that point i realized i may have bitten off more than i can chew lol... But damn do i love the drama that these games produce.

[@MintyLime703]

I own both CK2 and CK3 but hardly played either. I feel like shit about CK2 cause I even bought all the DLCs and stuff and I KNOW it's a game I'd love. But I always default to Eu4 for my Paradox fix. Finally started some CK3 and it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. But when I try CK2 the UI by comparison is way too much. It's tiny on a 1440p screen so I gotta use the UI scaler, but that still hardly helps with the insane amount of stuff there is to do. I just get lost in the sauce every time but considering all the money spent I really wanna get into it. CK3 seems way easier at a glance and I can find what I wanna find out pretty intuitively. Graphically speaking I actually prefer CK2.

[@BioTheHuman]

I too was taken away by the CK2 UI coming from CK3, but then I've rapidly got used to it. I suggest you to scale the UI to your preference and also find a mod for a better font :)

[@ryanzapalac4893]

ck2 with the dlc has much more events than ck3 atm. I have over 500 hours in the game and I still as of yet become immortal. (Its possible. just like a .01% chance or something ridiculous)

[@ryanzapalac4893]

Though I do like some mechanics that ck3 has right now. With the stress system. The royal court, dynasty building. And deeper life focuses.

[@petergama6074]

I'd say music doesn't matter bit then I remember kaiserreich and the glorious sou dtrack it has I can give up nice melodies

[@MrBSRK]

Consider the only gameplay loop of CK3 since launch is just saying no to those feast spam. Yes CK2 is still better. With some mod to fix some annoying bug that they left in and never bother to fix of course.

[@alevort]

Hello! What are the mods you use to enhance vanilla?

[@mattvonel4039]

CK 3 needs like 3 more years to be even comparable to CK2. Even then it might be worse than CK2. Ck3 feels too casual for me. Like some android game.

[@GhostStyle007]

Ck3 alrdy got tones of new basic and very realistic mecanics that doesnt exist in ck2, so imo your comparison is not fair enough. (Im a ck2 hardcore player tho)

[@GamerBoy-bf9li]

I would play CK3 if I could, but unfortunately my computer is older than Charlemagne himself, so it’s not exactly ideal

[@tyrongkojy]

To me this is answered by how much DLC you have for 2. If you have many, most, all, even a few, yes, ck2 is better. But if like me you only played it because it was free and never bought any of the dlc, well, then no, 3 is better. Even just being able to be a non christian right away makes it better, since in the base of 2 that was an instant game over if your heir turned out to be a pagan or muslum.

[@tyrongkojy]

@@TheVoices69 I forgot the character editor. Yeah, that's PAID dlc still, somehow. And don't get me wrong, I had a BLAST in base ck2. There's still a TON there, but I was very annoyed when my one playthrough came to an end because my heir was pagan. My only complaints about 3 are small things, like UI differences, and those may very well change as the game goes on, and are hardly game wrecking as is. It's change and I don't like it. Nyeah.

[@baileygregory9192]

The best strategy game music isn't EU4 but it's EU3

[@ambioniskariot5069]

CK2 is still a great game - at least if you own all the DLC. But if you are new to the franchise I think I would start with CK3, not CK2.

[@BioTheHuman]

I've started with CK3. Played for 70 hours and in the end got bored. I wanted to try CK2 because I heard big praise of it, and still, in the end I too prefer CK2 😅

[@Notphenix]

Yeah Ck3 is easy to learn and very accessible probably the best paradox game in this subject btw

[@SofaKingA]

How many years will it take me to learn even the basics of the game so that I can actually enjoy it? 😅

[@AndysTake]

Not years, but perhaps a few days or weeks of dedication! :D honestly, CK2 might seem complicated at first, but is in my opinion easier to learn than say EU4, where there is so much hidden stuff!

[@SofaKingA]

@@AndysTake Thanks Andy, that's uplifting. Do you think I need DLC or can I play vanilla? P. S. Just gained a sub!

[@AndysTake]

@@SofaKingA Thanks, mate! Honestly, sub to the DLC pass. It give you everything, is totally worth it, and you can just cancel when you want to! I would absolutely recommend playing this with all DLC :)

[@itemtest1]

In 5 years CK3 will surpass CK2 just like CK1 and CK2 in the past 🤔🤔🤔

[@BioTheHuman]

Idk mate. It's true that CK3 lacks content that can be brought with DLCs, but it also took totally different paths of already good mechanics in CK2.

[@ississ2263]

I started with CK3 and I really enjoy it, should I try CK2 even tho I started with the other one ?

[@BioTheHuman]

Play CK3 until you get bored and then when you'll want more crusader kings in your life, try CK2 :) I suggesy you to periodically look up for keys of CK2 of you don't have money to spend. I've took complete edition with 25 € :)

[@dbz9393]

CK3 to me just feels like all the people seem very sameish unlike ck2 idk how to describe

[@GhostStyle007]

Ck3 got way more complex basic mecanics (dinasty, religion, culture, legacy, war) and a more reliable UI especially for repetitive and time consuming tasks. Now what relly still lacks is content. Gameplay(random events, random relational behaviors) and graphic content, but the ground base is a bit more deep than ck2 in my opinion. (Im hardcore ck2 who transitioned to ck3 since a year)

[@BioTheHuman]

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. I don't really see the "complex mechanics" in the ones you cited (and neither in the ones you didn't). Sure, I'd like to have Ck3 cultures, religions and dynasties in CK2, but a part from the rp flavour they bring, but apart from this, what does really remain? What I don't really like about CK3 is how a lot of things just become simple skill trees. Skill trees give an awesome feeling of accomplishment and achievement to the player (that's why they're omnipresent in videogames) but they stop doing so in the moment you need to repeat such task again and again, especially in a game where every run should feel different and you should be able to do many runs. Even worst if behind those skill tree you hide essential player actions in a game that already lacks player freedom.

[@GhostStyle007]

@@BioTheHuman @Bio im a forever ck2 player, and a 1year ck3 player so im talking based on facts not assumptions... this debat wont go anywhere since you are either very hardly biased toward ck2 or you got a very big misunderstading of whats the difference between a system and a content, why im saying that? Because that would be very hard and painful to argue with someone who starts by saying "culture, religion, dinasty" are flavor, when in facts its 3 huge very deep mechanics that add an infinite replayabilty and combinations and complexity layer to the game, and it has nothing to do with flavor or content, and your sentence could be literally used for every ck2/3 mechanic -> "ok i would like to have traits, but apart that its just a flavor, so what?"... its literally strong systems which were implemented to the vanilla ck3 which adds a looot i can write a book about it after that i used them. So for those reasons we cant even start that debate, it would be very hard to even stand on the same line of thinking since we dont event see or analyse things with the same level. Ck3 definetly started stronger than ck2 in term of natural mechanics that combine together, now its just about time to see more "content" , and i say a second time , im a ck2 player too but i try to stay objective.

[@Thortacozone]

@@GhostStyle007 Would you say ck2 or ck3 is in a more fun state currently ? and do you think mods help one of the games more then the other?

[@PedroHenrique-gf7pu]

Ck2 >>>>>>>>>> ck3

[@johnmorales6281]

Lmao I would spend minutes just selecting characters 😂 🤣 damn

[@LvtLoshi]

Its a bit easy 🤷

[@AndysTake]

Haha maybe, but I feel like CK3 is even easier!

[@LvtLoshi]

@@AndysTake Sorry misread your title. I meant to say ck3 is a bit easy.

[@grrizzzy7]

Yes 2 is better and its not even close

[@Drumsgoon]

Dude this video is largely explaining what CK2 is, and not a comparison, and only little argument which is better...

[@AndysTake]

Yeah, that was the aim of the video, to explain CK2!

[@darkranger116]

and its just a shame so much of that content is behind a 300$ paywall

[@MrRendulic]

Yeah curently ck2 is better but in 2 years ck3 will be so much better

[@BioTheHuman]

People said same thing 2 years ago

[@austinbico8034]

ck2 came out 10 years ago in February of 2012, not 9 years ago.

[@ΜαρίνοςΤ-μ4ρ]

own the game. never got the patience to learn it. I was more focused on EU4.

[@AndysTake]

You’re missing out, bro! That being said EU4 is gold.

[@erutz5190]

thats funny considering EU4 is way more complicated

[@ckthegreat100]

I guess it’s all about personal preference. EU4 is really just a map painter. If that’s what you want out of strategy games, then it’s perfect for you. I like games with more depth though, so I prefer CK2

[@kralnatavizyok2688]

Ck3 ruler designer > ck2 all dlc

[@procrustes7669]

CK II far superior soundtracks ...CK III more user friendly gameplay and more experimental content.