Shutting Down SSundee’s Pay-to-Win Minecraft Server - 200 Players BANNED.

[@TheMisterEpic]

Join my Civilizations Server! IP: og-network.net - Bedrock Port: 19132 - Discord: discord.com/invite/G7zq6NPZnM

[@msbereny6092]

i joined

[@huetwastaken]

hi

[@unstoppblekid]

ofc the staffs ammet to p2w (we already knew that but gambling is something else). Might join the server finally, you're server ofc.

[@jmck3786]

whats a bedrock port?

[@TheMisterEpic]

19132

[@ARDIZsq]

> Removes dropping items > Removes doors > Broken shop mechanics > Leaves chests and barrels completely usable in areas they shouldn't be > Bans everyone instead of shutting down the server, causing huge flooding of appeal tickets > "It's not pay to win, it's pay to win faster" So basically this server has a mod team run by people who don't actually know jack shit about running a Minecraft server other than it needs to make money. What an incredible pick.

[@flyzfm5060]

It is a SSundee server, he's always been about the numbers and it just took ahold of him

[@jaylonwilson9159]

@@flyzfm5060I mean he did fall off hard. Dudes gotta make the bills somehow 😭💀

[@lucifertempest9566]

He did NOT fall of he def still makes bank. How else would he pay for those new minecraft/amongus mods every like 4 days​@jaylonwilson9159

[@rjplays8397]

​@@lucifertempest9566this server

[@Milbyte11]

@@lucifertempest9566 he fell off in terms of quality not views. all he does is kiddie slop now

[@dzigayu4944]

Making the players utterly pissed at the staff is probably the most effective way to ruin a P2W server, make them never want to come back.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Delightfully devilish

[@itssomewhitemale1907]

​@@ghoulbuster1 yummers indeed

[@the_something_something]

Delightfully devilish, Seymour!

[@アニメのゴミ]

SSundee acting like removing gambling was just something he thought of because he's just such a good guy is wild lmao

[@saintbrush4398]

The fall-off is so disheartening

[@アニメのゴミ]

@@saintbrush4398 fr

[@UhOHNotAgain.]

@@saintbrush4398 He was never a good youtuber brother don't lie lmfao

[@saintbrush4398]

@@UhOHNotAgain. Tbh I stopped watching him when I was like a teen. So I'm sure ten years later could've had anything happen since then.

[@thexan7234]

​@UhOHNotAgain. Your pfp is asmongold your argument is void.

[@kyvremthedestroyer9085]

99.9% of EULA vigilantes quit before they shut down all Pay To Win servers

[@StarGalaxyGirl0]

Like

[@Ray_cyst_official]

True dude.

[@Pinkcircleguy]

everything reminds me of gambling

[@Ray_cyst_official]

​@@Pinkcircleguy especially AAA games

[@StarGalaxyGirl0]

@@Pinkcircleguy love the pfp

[@Gandalf.]

13:37 "It's not pay-to-win, it's pay-to-win faster" Actually delusional.

[@Dragnulls]

And contradictory pay to win faster just means pay to win so...

[@shatterscape]

You just dont get it

[@zettaflareig]

Thats not delusional thats being brainwashed.

[@Thefix12_]

​@@shatterscapesure buddy stay in your delusions

[@gordogonk8068]

I mean the server is prob cooked but it could be the most simple monetization and it would still be called p2w. I think its fine to an extent ofc​@@Thefix12_

[@protoman4622]

“we’re removing gambling :D” *adds a premium currency that still allows gambling*

[@quacc9470]

Baiting the admins into a lag machine made of duped items is so incredibly funny.

[@Nos1maj]

That feels like a roadrunner trap LMAO

[@Zenologia4673]

@@Nos1majoh my god that really is some looney toons nonsense 😂

[@misterart7298]

Bro got trap in his domain expansion

[@greyplaysvideogames]

I want to see more of this in duping videos

[@justafreind2610]

That part of the video was wayyyy too fucking hillarious bruh 😭

[@narratornavigatorstoryteller]

"it's got pay to win elements but it's not pay to win, it's just pay to win faster" imagine saying this with your whole chest and not understanding the issue here

[@ALostDevs]

The admins don't know what p2w is lmao

[@Jonst3rTM]

A game like warframe is pay to win faster, this is just 100$ gambling

[@thebiolibrary5572]

@@Jonst3rTM genuinely, you can farm literally everything but cosmetics, and ingame trading means you can get platinum without spending a cent to buy those cosmetics if you want them.

[@justvibing1889]

@@thebiolibrary5572 Even with cosmetics you can use trade plat for deluxes and non-tennogen stuff

[@majorapemanbrian8992]

​@@Jonst3rTMGlad to see some warframe love I don't hear about it enough

[@hamzafarooq3324]

Teleporting the admins and moderators into a lag room was such a 9000 iq play.

[@Cynwale]

"Walking is a dangerous and exploitable feature, the proof is that people had to walk to reach the duped chests, so we are disabling walking for the time being."

[@alexshepherd4286]

Great idea, you should be a mod on iLucky!

[@BBCsandwich]

I'll sprint then

[@vladlepilin223]

People still can teleport so i think we need to disable chat

[@JesseMinecraft_]

Breathing is a very vulnerable area in our systems. It allows players to obtain exploited items. Therefore it will be disabled for the foreseeable future.

[@toasty240]

There is something so ballsy to tp a mod to your island to crash them to continue the chaos. Thats so funny

[@ALostDevs]

W telelo for doing that it was so funny

[@Epic_747]

full tbt2 level warfare

[@falkaa7]

telelo is genius at someway 🤣

[@leovillant768]

He's a stand user

[@idkcba]

What are they gonna do, ban you?

[@26jdaniels]

Do this to Lifesteal Public SMP next. They have p2w gambling where you can get full maxed out gear, tridents, and other shit from crates that cost a shit ton of money.

[@zenphir9051]

Im sorry, Lifesteal did WHAT!?

[@nashthesecond0002]

@TheMisterEpic this pls we need to see it

[@YerSenpaii]

Which Life Steal SMP theres a lot?

[@LeChickenOverlord]

@@YerSenpaiiIf you go to almost any of the people who played the original lifesteal’s channels you should be able to find the server soon enough

[@savitar9478]

I mean as much as I hate pay to win, they do have to keep the server up somehow

[@ideaxgaming5647]

tricking admins into banning a shitton of people is diabolical

[@Ray_cyst_official]

And funny

[@Saitama_editz167]

​@@Ray_cyst_official 💀

[@NukeByLuke]

We didn't ban that many people, and anyone banned unjustly was unbanned after we took the duped items, and were compensated

[@neutronnetwork]

@@NukeByLuke The damage has already been done I see you replying to comments if you think this will stop it won’t we will keep coming back 👁 your staff team looks unorganized and sometimes I feel like you guys don’t know what your doing we have this influencer who is willing to show the world what people like you do not saying it’s the staffs fault whoever implemented the gambling System needs to be removed from the team and that whole system needs to be reworked imagine seeing a video from him praising yall server it would boost your numbers and give you guys your players back but you continue to do the opposite .

[@neutronnetwork]

@@NukeByLuke Think about what I said and send this to whoever you want to i’m just one of the guys who helped him dupe 🤷🏽‍♂️ and even if you fixed everything there are still staff members willing to help us not y’all 🖤…

[@kalibbailey6219]

the irony of a mod on a minecraft server selling $90 boxes and asking who has that much money to buy extra minecraft accounts

[@JJCUBER]

Wasn’t it $6 per with a *stack* of 15 being $90? It’s still dumb, of course.

[@AngelFoxxoJP]

@@JJCUBER I believe it was 15 keys inside that made the chest thingy worth 90 Edit: Yup, it's that every single key package has $90 worth of keys inside

[@alexanderelderhorst2107]

I suspect the mods aren't paying for them either

[@Iamdark1234]

@@JJCUBER 1 key was worth $90 so in total in 6 chests full of 64 stacks there was about just around $2,000,000 plus all the other things as well

[@JJCUBER]

@@Iamdark1234 each of the crates is a stack of 15 keys; a single key is not worth $90 (but the crate is).

[@Solesteam]

Man.... This guy was in the Minecraft essential handbook, how the mighty have fallen I suppose... Not into obscurity, or poverty but rather, fallen into *_greed._*

[@UserAccount-ThisOne]

falling into obscurity raises feelings of forgetfulness, falling into poverty raises emotions of sorrow, falling into greed raises a call for justice, but brings the most attention... ssundee had been such a valuable icon for so long, its such a shame to see him end up like this... at the very least he didnt suffer the same fate as all other og minecraft youtubers.

[@Greenhawk4]

at least he's into the kid's money and not the kid themselves.

[@serleq5458]

Which is weird with how much he preaches about being a devout christian. Yet feels no remorse to scamming kids?

[@ffc1a28c7]

@@serleq5458 it's almost like most people don't really have a steady moral compass lol.

[@_Ike]

​@@UserAccount-ThisOne Captainsparklez still the best standing OG, imo

[@sage5296]

I think the fact that it is even POSSIBLE to have 2 MILLIONS USD worth of items on its own speaks volumes about what is wrong with the server

[@ALostDevs]

Lmao a light 2 million, W devs

[@KavsLockedOut]

they dont. there is not 2 million in actual stuff. its a potential 2 million if for some reason someone bought 2 million worth of this 6 quid microtransaction. that int happening. what he actually did is stop people from buying the 6 quid one, which will add up, but now anywhere close to 2 million

[@justa9560]

@@KavsLockedOut So, and stay with me here, since they have the items that would add up to the 2 mil usd value, they do, in fact, have 2 million dollars worth of items.

[@ThisIsCinematography]

@@justa9560Think about it this way it has no real value until its bought

[@ThisIsCinematography]

@@justa9560And if theres 2m worth when usually there would be only 20k bought then the price decreases for it, less value, basic inflation.

[@marioborgen]

Ssundee saying he doesn’t like “that type of thing” as in pay to win; is actually hilarious

[@free4fire]

Well he doesn't like it when he has to pay (which is totally understandable) he does seem to like it though when other people have to pay (him).

[@universal_ramen7147]

I'm pretty sure he has little to no involvement with the actual server, he just pays people to run and develop the server while he just makes videos about it

[@IneptOrange]

Yeah "I don't like that type of thing" > Moves the server over to an entirely internal e-currency method and still continues to sell loot boxes to kids

[@fierybl4de400]

@@universal_ramen7147 still he has a product affilated with him that promotes gambling this is the second video this shit has happened he shouldve made it stop after the first one

[@Ausyi]

@@universal_ramen7147 I’m pretty sure this is what’s up, someone should try to let him know about this shit. also he co-owns the server, he doesn’t own it.

[@moonchester72]

13:54 PAY TO WIN FASTER IS SO COPE 😂😂😂

[@-wizard-4184]

Pay to win faster is fine honestly. You can kind relate this concept to hypixels skyblock

[@Spideybro213]

@@-wizard-4184dude it’s bait for little kids to spend way too much money on useless stuff

[@-wizard-4184]

@@Spideybro213 So? It’s their fault if they spend money. As long as it’s not anything addicting, like gambling, then it’s fine.

[@iclip2024]

@@-wizard-4184 wym they are buying keys to gamble with wth. did u even watch the video

[@seasonalsnap3846]

@@-wizard-4184it's really predatory they're marketing this to children who don't know any better and spend money on moms credit card

[@lck0ut348]

13:42 "It's not P2W, it's P2W Faster" So its still P2W, got it

[@saulgoodman8501]

Disagree. Look at a game like assassin's creed odyssey. You can buy double xp, gold, armor and others however the whole point of that game is to experience it.

[@whytho1478]

​@@saulgoodman8501also assassin's creed is single player, and this is definitely not that

[@Purpleblackviolet]

ROTFLMAO

[@ItsFlairon]

@@saulgoodman8501 theres a difference between multiplayer p2w and single player p2w.

[@redssign]

​@@saulgoodman8501isn't that the point of every game? to experience it? it's like saying food is to be eaten aside from one specific food, just because.

[@NotMeApparantly]

13:40 "It's not pay-to-win, it's pay-to-win faster" "I didn't kill him, I just make his life end faster" Same energy

[@Vampr1c]

I didn't kill him, the gun did.

[@D9fjg]

i didn't stab him, the knife did

[@Turtoile41]

I didn't punch him, my fist did

[@QuantumTB]

I didn’t kill him, the hitman did.

[@LeReubzRic]

I didn't get you pregnant, my William did.

[@roroland01]

It was a good time duping with u guys! Thanks for the experience. And if we find another dupe anywhere we will tell u.

[@NotnotADHD]

A not rolled back dupe, a server crash, 200+ banned, AND the removal of loot crates? Unbelievably successful

[@princess7jasmine]

Do they even know how to roll back a server lmao

[@Turtoile41]

@@princess7jasmine I think it's a bit late for that

[@ZuskV1]

Legit I feel sick sometimes hearing how expensive these loot boxes are

[@QiZFziG4]

No one forces you to buy them

[@sevenshooter2987]

​@@QiZFziG4 Gambling addiction is a real thing dude "you're not forced too" is not an excuse for it to be a thing

[@uvisblumbergs8911]

@@QiZFziG4 its a game for kids

[@Enirom]

@@QiZFziG4 we've got a gambling p2w server owner here

[@f8keuser]

@@QiZFziG4 Homes are stupidly expensive, but it's ok cause you don't have to buy one... right?

[@ZanyCat]

"It's not pay-to-win, it's pay-to-win-faster" bruh that's still pay-to-win 😭

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

it's not💀. written abbreviation for pay-to-win : (in computer games) involving or relating to the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money. if you're broke or don't have enough money to buy something inside of a game, then don't buy it, and just quit playing in that server, there's no need to whine about it being p2w when you(or anyone else) can't afford or it because you don't have enough money, or too broke to buy any ingame stuff.

[@BingChilling-qd3wh]

​@@MightyKZbinEnjoyeryou said it best, pay to win is paying for an advantage or paying to get item that non paying players can't get. It's pay to win.

[@blazen123]

@@MightyKZbinEnjoyer having any kind of advantage over others is pay to win. if that advantage is even so much as progressing earlier, faster, or just progressing, then that purchase was "pay to win" no matter how small it was. the concept of "pay to win faster" is just pay to win, albeit less immediate

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

@@blazen123 does bro not know? if a game requires players to reach a certain level to get something, like a skin and you need to be level 15 to unlock a gun and a player has gotten that gun because they got to level 15, but there's a level 1 player who hasn't gotten the skin, would that be considered p2w because the level 15 player has the gun while the level 1 player doesn't? because in some games different guns give you the advantages of damage, fire rate, recoil, etc..

[@blazen123]

@@MightyKZbinEnjoyer nothing you can say will change the fact that paying to get anything that affects gameplay at all (INCLUDING IMMEDIATE OR INCREASED PROGRESS!!!) that a normal player cant get with the same amount of effort as paying for it is pay to win. also, if you were able to get it with a reasonably similar amount of time and effort, the purchase would go from pay to win to merely predatory, as it is a massive waste of money you could save by spending a very short amount of time playing. the only case where it is not pay 2 win is if it is purely cosmetic such as something like a cape accessory or like in your example a gun skin, however it has to provide absolutely nothing other than a cosmetic look.

[@justafoon]

It's crazy how many of these (gambling) pay to win servers there are, and how MANY people wasting their money, and kids being taken advantage of.

[@Felale]

Kids wasting their parents’ money

[@TheMisterEpic]

Keep in mind, servers need to be pay to win to survive, the pay to win gambling on the other hand...

[@Foefii]

too many

[@jake78441]

i feel like most ppl know better that buying stuff from minecraft is useless there no value once the server goes under

[@itsfgwofficialluffy1164]

ur right ​@@TheMisterEpic

[@Zappr]

**Falsely bans hundreds of players** **Players make tickets** **Admins are shocked that players make tickets**

[@magentamage6541]

Let it be known that SSundee himself once said that he really enjoys p2w mechanics, I believe it was his minecraft GTAV series from 2015 (I think?) where he just tossed a buncha money at a server and was """""""rewarded""""""" for it. So seeing him say he "doesn't really like doing that type of thing" when it comes to these crates, feels like a real slap in the face. Just goes to show how hard these dupes must have hit. Source: I used to be a fan of SSundee. It hurts seeing what he's become.

[@TheAnnoyedGoose]

I never knew that. I started watching him during Insanecraft and the big Among Us trend. I stopped watching him when his videos became so obviously faked. I didn’t know he actually said he likes P2W

[@MineCreeperLPs]

@@TheAnnoyedGoose You started when he was already obviously faking it. The best time for his content was back during CrazyCraft when he had Craner to work off of. And then his wife and kid left him and he "found" Christianity and then his content took a nosedive into cashgrabbing garbage.

[@pancakesyrup9365]

SSundee should be well known for this because he has "owned" MANY servers that are just cash grabs and then soon they close down and it all starts again. Without even checking I can also tell you PatP is part of the staff team as he always has been for the past 3 or so years when they do these servers.

[@InfinitesimalX]

Ssundee been doing this for like 9-7 years probably

[@funny-gv3ml]

I mean he makes brainrot he's already the lowest scum of the earth

[@ycumc]

@@InfinitesimalX 9-7 years

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

its that minecraft money

[@joeflemo64]

I think that he gets people to make servers with his face for popularity and he pays them through the earnings of the server and ssundee getting a cut too

[@copium7845]

19:17 if he doesnt like doing that, why did he implement it at the start? I think he meant "People are upset at me for getting children into gambling, and im gonna do what looks best"

[@Dzalter]

Not confirmed but basically, SSundee doesnt really want there to be a P2W aspect in the server which uses his name/branding. You have to realise, its not HIS server, its his name on it. I dont believe this is primarily SSundee's fault, or at all especially since he mentioned to NOT buy the Loot Crates if you financially couldnt and removing them in his videos.

[@copium7845]

@@Dzalter That's a very very very bad excuse... His name is on the server and he advertises it, if he doesnt want there to be gambling, gacha, lootboxes or whatever he says "remove this feature, or stop using my name" and its solved

[@tarekcat1]

​@@Dzalter bro thought that the excuse is gonna work Like "this ain't my server it's just has my name on- 🤓" bro shut up and do something about it since it wrecks your reputation

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

@@Dzalterhis old prison server was P2W, this isn’t new

[@Dzalter]

@@copium7845 Yes, however I don't think it's that simple. I believe in his first/one of his videos concerning the server, he mentioned, he would "talk to the devs" after seeing the price. Yes he could try and back out or whatever but again, its not that simple. There could be many reasons he doesnt say "remove this feature" or so on. It may be his face on the front but that doesnt mean he holds the power of the server, he just has a say in certain things,

[@乂]

It's wild how a single exploit can throw an entire server economy into disarray.

[@unquestionableexistance8704]

​@@CooperRutterbro just likes to post comments

[@goose_president5504]

​@@unquestionableexistance8704 and bro bought the account and is a bot

[@spore6050]

bot account

[@xeno1019]

It’s wild how many bots are on KZbin now. (Keep Yourself Safe)

[@CooperRutter]

fine I deleted it

[@nightowlorder2750]

They disable dropping items, now they disabled chests. What's next, disabling playing the game 😂😂

[@Revkor]

at that point just surrender. they have seen the og vid of the first run and know why Epic does what he does.

[@Reddeath111]

Disabling the player base

[@ALostDevs]

@@Revkor We never surrender little bro

[@niggacockball7995]

disable trading?

[@korok2619]

New server update: Can't mine. Breaking blocks has been proven to be highly aggressive and abused

[@Marshark50]

13:35 "Server is not pay to win but it has pay to win stuff"... so it's p2w lmfaoo

[@FishFan32]

"g-guys... I swear it isn't pay to win! I-i-it's just pay to win faster!"

[@trumediamix1]

"It's evolving - *_just... backwards!"_*

[@Coolboi2009]

"Ermm, ahcktually, our server is ermm, _not_ pay to win?"

[@WhasianSensation]

I Think he is trying to say that it being pay to win doesn’t matter as much because the game isn’t pvp or something and acts more like a pve mmo where all paying money does is make you beat the game faster

[@SMPandanic]

"to win faster"... still paying to get stuff faster .. which is still paying to win

[@mnspstudioful]

The year is 2004. Multiplayer servers are using "shards", pretty much exactly the same as they do today. Duping runs rampant. The year is 2014. Multiplayer servers are using "shards", pretty much exactly the same as they do today. Duping runs rampant. The year is 2024... How many decades does it take to learn this lesson, old man?

[@LoreSolver4]

Mincraft was created in may 2009, and was offically released in 2011. In short, nobody was playing Minecraft in 2004.

[@thekilla1234]

@@LoreSolver4 I was playing Minecraft in 2004 my dad owns Blizzard.

[@LoreSolver4]

@@thekilla1234 Oh, that makes sense. He must have given you a demo or somthing.

[@faloughasch9239]

"It's not Pay to win, it's pay to win faster." No, that's when everything is possible to get through hard work in-game, but can be bought to speed up the process. What this server has is actual paywalls with stuff locked behind it, in a gacha system that ALSO can only be payed for. P2WFaster my ass

[@mrfancyshmancy]

P2w faster is also only achievable for pve exclusive games (or games where pvp has 0 bearing on progress) because even if everything is achievable f2p (like most gachas are) you will fall behind p2w players no matter how hard you try

[@mr_thecyborg]

Kinda like Bloons, some things are tough to unlock, but you CAN get them via grinding or iap, and all online stuff is either coop or pro players

[@mrfancyshmancy]

@mr_thecyborg not battles tho, atleast the 1 had some p2w aspects but it's been ages so i could be wrong.

[@notlucas6859]

p2w faster is still awful, cause most of the time the process of doing something for free is so unbearably slow you end up buying the p2w regardless, and its done like that purposely to get people to spend money

[@mrfancyshmancy]

@notlucas6859 that really depends, games like wf or bloons have a very good pameplay loop and makes the grind fun (atleast if grindy games are your thing obv) but there def are horrible p2w faster games like CoC. Ik CoC is not necessarily a p2w faster but a full p2w but it's the closest i could think of.

[@Wumqo]

Nah the last dupe is a grenade and this is a nuke compared to that.

[@alex4703]

dawg didnt even watch the video

[@kylechu994]

@@alex4703 Watched it in x10 speed

[@The_Dr_Fate]

​@@kylechu994how?

[@sheenosan]

The mods walking right into the trap of lag machines amidst all of the chaos happening outside is just brilliant

[@SilvWith5Vs]

The dupe was diabolical enough, but trapping admins in a lag machine is Reverse Flash level of diabolical lmao

[@taxer6278]

they done trapped them in the speed force

[@goose_president5504]

"It was me Barry I made your PC burst into flames"

[@ltntwafflz9043]

As funny as it would be to lag an admin so hard their pc bursts into flames, a lot would have to go right for that to happen. Minecraft Java only uses 1 CPU core, so the admin would have to have an old single-core CPU or a custom Javascript to trick Minecraft into thinking it's only using one core, and they'd have to have a shit heatsink, and be using overclocking and/or BIOS tweaking for a similar result.

[@theincursion5898]

if the monetization model of a server is to allow players to purchase items and skip gameplay, maybe the server's gameplay isnt fun

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

You are on point with that one

[@ALostDevs]

the currency is 100% p2w they have 2 sets of op armor you can only get with the icoins

[@metalmario1231]

Prison servers tend not to be fun....at least to me....i don't get the appeal at all...I'm just mining but the resources do nothing except let me access an area where I can mine more.....just awful

[@mrfancyshmancy]

​@@metalmario1231it's not for everyone, but some ppl like the grind

[@AFrenchExam]

Hypixel skyblock

[@AndrewWasTakenAgain]

Man. I still can't believe I used to watch SSundee when I was younger... How on earth is he still playing this game man.

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

you created your channel about 2 months ago, so what do you mean when you say that you used to watch him?

[@AndrewWasTakenAgain]

@@MightyKZbinEnjoyer It's called being a complete loser as a child and not wanting to be attatched to that anymore :)

[@underscore0526]

@@MightyKZbinEnjoyersome people like myself didn’t even have a KZbin account at the time. I remember watching him on my little iPod.

[@nakelekantoo]

​@@MightyKZbinEnjoyerah yes because age is tied to youtube accounts got it

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

@@nakelekantoo depending on the youtube accounts age, it determines how old of videos they were able to watch, or recommended. my account is 3 years old, so it would mean i've watched videos that were posted 3 years ago.

[@louiepikmin3184]

iblocky mods when they ban hundreds of innocent people and they realize they'll have to deal with hundreds of ban appeals: 😧😧😧

[@ALostDevs]

Lmao the admins aren't the brightest

[@quantum1138]

They a lil slow

[@AngelDelight69]

I feel like it would have been easier to just disable opening chests instead of banning everyone and looking through evidence videos at people who attended the drop and removing their duped items

[@JunohProductions]

All that it takes is to have one overzealous mod do that and you have an issue for the rest of the mod team.

[@Lambdrx]

my worst nightmare!! i can barely handle more than 2 ban appeals GRE

[@stealth_meister4939]

That lure for the admins to get crashed in the cell was genius ngl. Real “gotcha” moment.

[@kriptonitegamer777]

1:40 payday 2 looking stockpile of loot

[@WolfDB]

"It's not Pay-to-win, it's just Pay-to-win faster" My guy, that is the freaking definition of Pay-to-Win

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

written abbreviation for pay-to-win : (in computer games) involving or relating to the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

I mean in this case yes, but in a game like The Battle cats no

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

@@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo yeah, battle cats is an easy F2P game if you know what to do, how to save your catfood or cat tickets and you know what to soend the xp on. but if you want faster progression in battle cats then spending money is right there for anyone who wants to spend money.

[@samuels1123]

@@MightyKZbinEnjoyer In cases of paid accelerated experience it is important to never give expendable items that give competitive advantage The most competitively advantageous expendable item in the server is crate keys, for they often provide equipment leveled by crate quality with no balancing

[@MightyYoutubeEnjoyer]

@@samuels1123 the quality of a item from a crate is an advantage itself because the higher the quality, the more better it is. in some cases there will be no quality and it would make you have to focus on what is popular or meta like in some other games, and depending on what game it is, the more popular or meta something is, the more damage it has, or the more effects it has.

[@gauntlxt]

They say when a Minecraft KZbinr reaches a certain number of subscribers, they are met with an “either or” pop up; be a pedo, or own a p2w server. Some have a multiple choice.

[@Will_Clapp1]

i get ssundee most likely doesent have any power on the server but he shouldnt let them use his name to promote basically gambling

[@swordzanderson5352]

They are wrong, then. Techno popped off and got a ticket to duel with God and Satan

[@christophernoneya4635]

You forgot the mediocre music career

[@Grumpy1174]

​@@Will_Clapp1 He has power. He's just a sellout

[@nevermind5657]

@@swordzanderson5352 yeah. only thing that techno really got in trouble for was asking if certain german failed art painter was a lesbian.

[@invisiman1938]

not only did he get a bunch of people falsely banned, but he also broke the server and STILL mortally wounded the economy. fucking amazing. i don't even play minecraft or watch the strange sun man, but i appreciate the sheer power move of this troll.

[@apIthletIcc]

I like that non Minecraft players are appreciating this vid as much as veterans like myself. 😂 That's so awesome lol

[@saladgaming4339]

You just know the mods are so pissed seeing this video lmao

[@pugz3230]

Do not talk about your strategy until they discover it themselves. Follow the steps of the legendary Technoblade.

[@swordsmancs]

In the wise words of Sun Tzu; “Don’t reveal all your strategies in a KZbin video, you fool, you moron.”

[@Butterscotch_96]

“Don’t reveal your strategies in a KZbin video” -Sun Tzu

[@CramBob1]

"Stop qouting me things i never said" -Sun tzu

[@Cudxh]

corny kid

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

@@CramBob1 “Don’t listen to him I never said that, quote me please.” - Sun Tzu

[@nikolozgilles]

You really need to keep anonymous the people who inform you about dupes! You gotta protect your sources! That's basic operational security!

[@mooing_cowmilk]

Little surprised that trick still worked (logging on multiple times to the same server network). Thought that option was disabled by default now... (used to use it all the time on mineplex to win multiple games of block hunt at the same time)

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

​@@Ryuga117you don't even need a VM, and a decade old i5 with a decent GPU can already run the game multiple times at once

[@elpenguinoofmexico1388]

I like the mod rationale that even their discord server called them out: Mods: we're banning everyone so they don't make the duping p2w server videos player: why not shut down the server and patch the dupe? Mods: (._.) Mods: >:(

[@SupersuMC]

I saw the meme in my head. XD

[@caa_la]

19:10 the lack of accountability from ssundee is insane

[@thisisastrobbery363]

Anyone have the video link?

[@DaDandyman]

the goal is to make him move away from P2W, not to make him prostrate himself before the duping gods. mrepic did a good job.

[@thisisastrobbery363]

@@DaDandyman he couldve told the truth

[@DaDandyman]

@@thisisastrobbery363 doesn't matter what he says nearly as much as what he does.

[@jackradzelovage6961]

@@DaDandyman no, but he should anyway. that was far from an apology, and even if it was a sincere one there still has to be pain

[@tctsmb]

17:17 it's not clickbait if he actually did it 😭😭😭

[@ALostDevs]

LMAO W dude for the title

[@bokoblinlogic1619]

Well there are two types of clickbait, one that baits you to click with something that happened, or a straight up lie to attract 7 year olds

[@GabeArson]

At least it’s gonna be interesting

[@warrencoulis4958]

13:34 "We dont want this guy to make to make another 'this server is pay to win' thing' because it's not - it is- it does have pay to win stuff but it's pay to win faster" HUH

[@thegalacticfederation1212]

There's so many comments saying stuff like "he didn't do anything wrong.", "What's the problem with p2w just ignore it" 1) He fully knows his server is like 99.99% children, it basically encourage child gambling which is not only illegal, it's also against Minecraft rules. 2) "Just ignore it" So just let it happen, let the problem grow? Yeah that's a real cute thought process, haven't you notice that p2w has only gotten worse. It'll eventually get to a point where you can't escape it no matter how much you want to cover your eyes and ears to ignore it. 0:01

[@alSh-ne6qk]

Here's one:THE SERVER WAS A Month a month old!!! And y'all negative af listening to whatever someone says and you agree without hearing out the other people!

[@thegalacticfederation1212]

@@alSh-ne6qk The other person ignores it. Not only that but why does it even matter if the server is only a month old? What you think that would've changed if the server was 10 years old or something?

[@SilvWith5Vs]

When I'm in a delusion competition but my opponent is the iBlocky staff:

[@ALostDevs]

They can never admit they are wrong

[@ayushjha4166]

Bro respect to u for shutting down these servers, I am so sick of their gambling like loot crates for expensive prices

[@ALostDevs]

W misterepic, part 3???

[@someothercobra8360]

How the fuck do they think banning over a 100 people and disabling half of Minecraft core mechanics is better than shutting down and rolling back the server I will never fucking understand

[@J0seph_Mother]

"It's not pay to win, it's pay to win faster" who's going to tell bro the pay to win means *any* unfair advantage in progress that can only be obtained by paying, not just pay locking the final goal.

[@ALostDevs]

They don't own a dictionary

[@ZackDimma]

Loot boxes are fine if they’re cosmetic only, and have to be earned rather than bought

[@tarekcat1]

Imo It's still not okay considering that the main point of it is gambling it encourages the person to grind for god knows what amount of time of getting random terrible cosmetics he doesn't want until he gives up and finds himself paying hundreds or thousands gambling for something he will probably never get it

[@BerryDawn]

lootboxes in minecraft servers have to be a thing the team running these servers will make so little money if they didnt have gambling its just what you have to do when making free products sometimes

[@John-on8ld]

I disagree heavily. You throw a time limit on to a loot box that only has cosmetics and now you have a case of fomo. You are forcing everyone to buy a loot box (within a given timeframe) that has a less than 1% chance to get the good item. If they don't throw 2000$ at the game, they miss out on an item that may NEVER return. Thats bad and will ALWAYS be bad no matter the situation. Even without the timer, paid loot boxes are bad. If you are defending them, you are part of the problem. Cosmetic or not, lootboxes are bad.

[@kaykz885]

I think you all trying to make a response are only rebutting the problem without clearly trying to solve the problem, this type of MMORPG like servers are made for massive amount of people to play and the creators earn money. I dislike loot boxes and stuff yeah, but at least try to show a good alternative. If not cosmetics and obviously loot boxes, how do they stay positive? I don't have the numbers, but I don't know how profitable is a direct buying of cosmetics. If you have some of these answers I would like to hear them, but if you don't have the data and the knowledge then do not respond.

[@ZackDimma]

@@John-on8ld oh yeah I’m thinking more like what clash royale did with the whole lucky drop system. I think that’s perfectly fine

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

"When's the server coming back?" "I don't fucking know!" HDAJJFJSJFHSHDH

[@nt2gr]

16:04

[@popsickle_]

Its sad that ssundee went from an actual good youtuber but started crashing down into a basically content farm and money grind channel because he got divorced

[@resied4620]

"lootboxes and money, yeah i don't really like that" that's crazy for him to paint himself as a saint who hates gambling

[@Drakolisk]

@Jake-j7bsounds like copium

[@demonkingzecksee]

​@Jake-j7b taking advantage of literal children

[@AeroTheVaporeon]

​@Jake-j7bbro defending kids being encouraged to gamble for fucking minecraft items that's insane

[@kagemaser1406]

There's a reason miners aren't allowed to gamble dumbass ​@Jake-j7b

[@Drakolisk]

@Jake-j7b i’m sorry who tf is kai. Anyways any gambling in games (overwatch, COD, genshin) and servers like these need to go. Its just like roblox, encouraging kids to use mummys credit card

[@名取禎]

there is 2 choices Keep avoiding drama and keep scamming Apologists and unban everyone and give back money

[@Free_Krazy]

"It's not pay to win, it's pay to win faster" Like adding an extra word makes it any better...

[@SyRose901]

It actually would have, but unfortunately for them, that use of "P2W faster" by them is just wrong.

[@mrfancyshmancy]

​@@SyRose901from what i see, the server has pvp aspect that are inherently progress linked, thus p2w faster just means p2w😂

[@SyRose901]

​@@mrfancyshmancyYeah, that is definitely P2W in the most classic sense.

[@salty3567]

"Who spends that much money" while being a staff member for a server that sells ranks for 200 bucks

[@Idk_My_Name]

Woah ranks alone sell for 200$?

[@salty3567]

@@Idk_My_Name Their top rank is actually 300 bucks, but the ranks are almost always "on sale" so it is really 200 bucks.

[@Idk_My_Name]

@@salty3567 so they make the base price 200$ but put a crossed 300$ tag to make it seem that its op and is on sale? If my assumption is correct that is just false advertisement no? Luring kids with their freshly stolen mom's credit card willing to spend on digital items rather than real life necessities

[@destroyer4929]

@@Idk_My_Nameit's also illegal in multiple countries to have a fake sale

[@mcstabbins4501]

"oh youre a villain alright. Just not a SUPER one!"

[@ToasterBath]

The stakes raise ever higher with each new video. First it was a few people banned, then convincing admins to ban innocents and now... 200 people banned. Truly magnificent work. This is perhaps TheMisterEpic's magnum opus.

[@monumentethos]

P2W server: BANNED. TheMisterEpic: *chuckles* you fool.... I have SEVENTY ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS! YOU'LL NEVER KNOW MY MAIN!

[@el-nathan]

Domain Expansion: Infinite Alts

[@JulianOscar-t6w]

The best reference i have seen on this video LOL

[@spoopierandscary]

i used to be on this server back when i still had my minecraft account in 2017. seeing it devolve into this makes me feel bitter, but avenged at the same time watching this video and seeing the server crashing and burning second hand.

[@Coolboi2009]

the duping section felt like that one snapcube clip of dr eggman with his 80 alternative accounts

[@ALostDevs]

That was my clip of me duping lmao

[@Coolboi2009]

@@ALostDevs goated

[@hund7458]

I have SEVENTY ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS! YOU'LL NEVER KNOW MY MAIN!

[@tarekcat1]

You fool i have seventy ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS

[@RobotnikRedefined]

70 alternative accounts

[@____9310]

i wish old ssundee would come back already 😭

[@derautisadrianos7050]

same

[@foulcult5240]

same, go back to Feed The Beast

[@ipeed]

ah yes before he reverted to children farming brainrot content and it was just good old factions or lucky block with crainer

[@jordan_cagle]

If you watch Ssundee’s last video on this he openly admits that the best armor will have to be paid for. That is pay to win af, also the armor looks really bad for durability as it broke so fast.

[@cosmosyn2514]

@@jordan_cagle you cant sell as much if theyre durable

[@firstnamlastnam2141]

2:08 If I did my math correctly, one full double chest is on the lower end of about $311,040? Could someone check this?

[@garrettlong1273]

at 5:40 he does the math so yes you’re correct

[@firstnamlastnam2141]

​@@garrettlong1273 oh, went to just listen by then, so I didn't see

[@zNyVa]

the fact he said that at the end and still has the crates calls for a round 3 the final cut.

[@ALostDevs]

part 3????

[@zNyVa]

@@ALostDevs the final cut 😂

[@RatGangisMYusername]

The decline of SSundee and his content is one of the saddest in KZbin's history.

[@Loppys]

Fr his content in 2013 was pretty good sad to see him cater to the five year olds and only post among us content

[@TAGfrost]

How fast is the gap for "pay to win faster"? If it's significant then that means that it is pay to win.

[@FacterinoCommenterino]

Today's Fact: The world's largest river by volume is the Amazon, which carries more water than the next seven largest rivers combined.

[@TheMisterEpic]

Winner I guess lol

[@theraider1268]

Darn

[@Heloooolololo]

Shut up and watch the video

[@FronosElectronics]

@@TheMisterEpic i want you

[@thiccycheeser69]

Bot...

[@ghost.8836]

One legendary key box is half a minimum salary in Venezuela. This is insane.

[@MagentiumPRIME]

you act like Venezuela is a good country in the first place LOL

[@lucienoskova2658]

Bro what ​@MagentiumPRIME

[@thatsaylary]

@@MagentiumPRIME he 100% meant the opposite thing what are you on 😭

[@user-a0d9w0ec9wiej]

​@@thatsaylaryYou expect coherency from a guy whos main shtick is being a politics addicted furry💀

[@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k]

I mean, to compare it to a normal european country like Hungary, Serbia or Romania it would be from 7-18% of a monthly sallary of a normal worker /a bit under average/.

[@kingdelirious20]

"its not p2w its p2w faster"

[@rlptp]

Server try not to exploit children challenge

[@Wayhoo]

SSundee's downfall needs to be studied

[@ikarimisu0184]

he's a zombie now, he completely abandoned everything for views and money

[@Lambdrx]

I never liked him

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

Not much of a downfall

[@JakePIXL]

Its kind of crazy how self aware the admins were of what you were doing and why you were doing it, super sllimy.

[@netherresonant5594]

9:20 Guess they really had a thing against open door policies, sheesh...

[@SupersuMC]

**ba-dum tss**

[@airi2857]

"it's not pay to win, it's just pay to win faster" what the fuck is the difference other than the "faster" part

[@mikim_x]

The only premise of such servers is to get money and win economically over other players, which you can't do with such amount of pay to win items.

[@sicharnisnone9961]

The difference would be that you can by default win, you have all content (or 99% at minimum) free to use but you can pay to get it faster. This server isn’t that, purely pay to win, however a game that embodies “Pay to Win Faster” would be Helldivers 2, where only a single armor set and a single weapon is truly locked behind a paywall. Premium currency is super easy to farm in low difficulty missions, really don’t have to pay for it unless you want to *pay to win faster.*

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

Well the difference is mainly in single player games (the battle cats, Assassin creeds) This is not a single player game

[@winster32]

It’s still pay to win lmao

[@FireyTheAlienDragon]

Them disabling chest is gonna make them lose players 18:08...how you gonna make players not have any way pf stpring items. Unless barrels are still useable

[@jackradzelovage6961]

you have to store all your items in the smelting slot of furnaces now. XD im joking but i also might not be

[@FireyTheAlienDragon]

@@jackradzelovage6961 unless shulker boxers and barrels still work...and Hopers if you reallly have to

[@Robin93k]

Simply Store every item in picture frames~

[@ShayTheValiant]

The funniest part was definitely teleporting the admins to the laggy cell in order to crash them.

[@Styrofoam-ee]

Sooo... Instead of just shutting down the server immediately performing a rollback they just ban as many innocent people in the hopes of banning the dupers... Angering their community even more making the dupers look like the good guys.

[@ALostDevs]

Because we are the good guys

[@Laughingyeen-00]

they get dirty and the servers stay clean

[@Sodapop-rd5ku]

They learned from Bethesda A shotgun and blindfold

[@cwiltedtheprophet5385]

honestly people that play that server probably NEED a 30 day break. $100 for a single minecraft item is insanity

[@foxtrotzekeyy]

if anything, you shouldn't show us how the dupes work, because it will show them how to counter the dupe or remove it entirely

[@SupersuMC]

But then it ruins the fun!

[@foxtrotzekeyy]

@@SupersuMC the fun of what?

[@jackradzelovage6961]

they find out pretty quickly anyway so it doesnt ultimately matter. also, knowing how minecraft is, there will always be another way. :P

[@domena1007]

Crashing server staff by baiting them is the equivalent of giving them a signed pipebomb

[@ethanbrandt8617]

Deleting peoples player data which included stuff payed for with real money? Sounds like a lawsuit to me.

[@ALostDevs]

Lmao, all the legit players getting banned was the best part.

[@ZeludeRose]

"it's not pay to win, it's pay to win faster" so it's pay to win?

[@ZeludeRose]

also "lootboxes and money, i don't really like doin that kinda thing" says the guy who literally did it and is still doing it. you don't accidentally sell gambling to children.

[@ikarimisu0184]

do these mods even have a brain or something? they're so focused on selling gambling crates to children to earn money they forgot the meaning of everything lmao

[@RaethFennec]

If they can't run a server without unregulated gambling, they don't deserve to run a server. Full stop. Don't give them any sympathy. The expectations is to not be malicious and predatory. It's not hard. They know what they're doing.

[@k.okirbe]

even this comment section has admins and mods trying to damage control, fucking brilliant man never stop

[@erikderfreak]

The soft ban on the mods with the lag chamber was genius!

[@Slaking_]

It's kind of shocking seeing just how incompetent mods are on these servers. TPing to potential dupers with no vanish or spectator so they get tipped off, not coinspecting the chests to see who's actually depositing items, randomly banning everyone in the vicinity instead of at least trying to find the dupers, apparently not even just patrolling around to make sure there's no rule breakers, and no rollbacks? Genuinely what are they doing?

[@jackradzelovage6961]

raking in dough

[@BrumbleJumble]

man those mods have such a high sense of self for promoting gambling to kids. Unbelievable

[@jontancool9181]

we shouldnt be OK with P2W at all on minecraft servers

[@Dzalter]

Not really. Every minecraft server has P2W aspects otherwise they would simply, go bankrupt. Imagine how expensive, A. Server hostings ( A way to actually host a minecraft server ) B. The money needed to hire a dev team, Administrators and staff. C. Afford to upkeep expensive equipment to actually host the server ( Links with A ) and so many more reasons.

[@jontancool9181]

@@Dzalter I haven't owned a popular minecraft server before so im unaware of the hosting prices, but a quick google search brought up 50$ a month, even if that was 100$ to 200$ a month with the current prices of these P2W items they would make that back from like 3-4 people buying a rank pack. Similarly cant speak for dev teams or admins, but i do know alot of helpers and possibly moderator rolls are unpaid, devs and admins are likely to get a cut from the P2W sales. It is not impossible at all for a minecraft server to get by and even profit majorly while remaining strictly to cosmetics and or LIGHT P2W, for example perks (Chat color, tags, nickname commands, flight on skyblock servers, weapon skins with abilities, repair command, hat command, companions). the difference is they want to get as rich as possible, most servers have packs that grants god items, which F2P players couldnt even dream of acquiring after hundreds of gameplay hours, for obscene amouns of money, ranging from up to 90 to 100s of dollars. its unfortunate that Microsoft doesnt cut down on these but they probably get a percentage of all sales anyway so they dont care

[@markbugenhagen9391]

@@Dzalter finally someone understands... It is hella expensive to run a server, Hosting is a joke of a price, and buying good plugins or a dev team is also crazy priced

[@CandieStyle]

​@@markbugenhagen9391but preying on children who don't understand that a loot box is gambling isn't really the best way to do that. Some servers just have premium memberships or purely cosmetic things at a reasonable price (which actually convinces more people to buy things, who'd have thunk.)

[@Dzalter]

@@markbugenhagen9391 Yeah I see a lot of people who say "P2W is bad" or so on but like TheMisterEpic said himself, he only has a problem the P2W aspect being linked with the gambling AKA loot boxes.

[@symmetricfivefold]

the guy who crashed all the mods by baiting them to teleport is just a legend.