Rotational Draw.mpg

[@robp_bowfly]

You’re a natural teacher!! This made me understand so many nuances I have been missing and couldn’t quite visualize. Thank you sir!!

[@sfor]

This is by far the best example for a starting archer to follow. Thank you Arne for that! The rotational draw is easy to understand and copy and makes you feel the right muscles. I'm doing it every day, with or without bow.

[@dlc1119]

That little thing about being to the left until full draw made a big difference. I had been aligning before the draw, rather than drawing into alignment.

[@cliffbrown4217]

I finally learned what getting into your back muscles feels like , if you have a high draw and come down and around you spine you can feel the back tension low in your back muscle , it is like flexing a muscle in your lower back, thank you Arne it is the only way I can find my back tension.

[@stevenhansel7050]

Arne, I love all of your video's but this one has become my favorite. Your statement regarding the draw the shoulders leads the elbow follows really resonated with me, much like the statement on the phone "We open the bow". I cannot say enough about this one this one video has done more for me than all the stuff I have invested in to try to learn archery. I watch it constantly. Very good instructor! A 1000 thanks, Steve

[@adamw4469]

Tom Clum Sr. sent me here. Thanks for all the content Arne!

[@rondumontier1187]

I was taught how to get into full draw into the bones. This prevents the pain u will get. Plus, Never raise the bow up above the plane of the shoulders and come back down. Many shooters do this and get sore. Great video Sir.

[@andred.4873]

So glad I found your instruction videos. Extremely helpful and by far the best explanations. The chance to view the whole process from different perspectives made it a lot easier to understand every little detail. Especially regarding the „shoulder work“. Thank you very much for your excellent work! Best regards from Germany, André.

[@volkerpajatsch5883]

Hi Arne, I just want to say a big thank you for your instructional videos. I watched many others of all the talented archers around over the last year but watching your ones, especially the one about the rotational draw opened my eyes and the penny finally has dropped for me...

[@TheMoebow1]

Very glad you found some help and value in the video.

[@ruudratajczak2240]

Hello friend, you are the best teacher ever for me!!!What you sharing is gold for me...You teach me more in 30 min than 4 jears in my club???? Thank you so much friend and all Gods blessings!!!

[@RonKelmell]

Keeping the string hand a few inches away from the chest, with the string hand wrist slightly convex seem to be key for me to accomplish the rotation into back tension and alignment. Thanks Arne

[@timormsby1722]

Hi Arne. This video was great. It really helped me get into my back tension properly and, more importantly, save my shoulder from injury! I really feel it when I’m using my back 😀

[@hutchieboy242]

Very informative, especially on the amount of energy one does not have to expend if the movement is done correctly.

[@tzzzz20]

When I start getting rights and lefts and inconstant shooting I come back to this video. Rotations Draw is key. One point that is easily missed is that the string hand aligns you for the shot. MOE is the best.

[@deadontarget8503]

This help my form a ton! Had a hard time getting the correct back tension, allowing for a straight elbow. This draw allows me to get to correct full draw with ease. Thank you!

[@TheMoebow1]

+TH3G00DN3WS Very glad it helped!

[@TheMoebow1]

Easy to show especially in person but when you draw, there is a plane of force created, that plane wants to stay flat, and the point creating the plane is the string fingers' hook. Try this, draw, anchor then twist your string hand left then right. If you have a light grip on the bow, the bow will want to turn like a propeller. Same thing is true for the bow's orientation on the vertical axis. As the string hand come in to anchor, the bow will turn SLIGHTLY in the hand to allow the arrow to turn into alignment. the bow turning is a very small movement but you can see it in several of the shots in this video.

[@Balttizar]

I am new to archery. Your videos have helped me so much, thank you.

[@ryddragyn]

At full draw, the archer's draw elbow appears to be under rotated, with the forearm out of line with the overall direction of force. ie pointed far left of the target. The overall advice for a rotational draw is sound, but I think that this is actually where the modern index finger to the mouth anchor comes up short (literally) for many people with certain anatomical proportions. He's shaking badly because his arm muscles are still being overworked. Historical anchor points that are further back (but somewhat less convenient for aiming) fix that issue fairly readily.

[@Copper45306]

Thanks a bunch for posting this and the other videos. Extremely helpful to self-taught, amateur backyard archers like myself.

[@huntersmith6304]

well...... I you to shoot my old recurve really really well. things were different when I started shooting a hill "style" longbow, whats more I bought 60 incher. the consistancy at getting proper back tension and maintaining it was HARD. this draw had revolutionized the way a shoot. thanks.

[@huntersmith6304]

*used

[@rossmcleod7983]

Saw this sometime ago and I thankyou wholeheartedly for it. Hope you are well and best wishes.

[@kennyvaughn3912]

I have really been working hard at this. It seems as though once you get your back muscles involved, it makes your release much easier. Thank you for all your videos.

[@TheMoebow1]

Thank you Kenny, I'm glad you find value in the videos!

[@dennisbynum8188]

This video did the trick for me thank you so much Arne.

[@bobjoswick6075]

Your instruction has improved my shooting so much. Looking forward to future instructions here in Broken Arrow,OK

[@Brainhoneywalker]

This was a very important lesson. Thank you so much!

[@TheMoebow1]

Luft, Ich habe sehr kline Deutsch. High school German 50 years ago not much has remained. IF I understand correctly, you can see the small "down/up movement" to reach you final full draw position. The idea is that during the draw, the string hand (Die Zughand?) moves in a slightly high to low motion. That is what helps use the back for the draw then, while maintaining your back and shoulder position the string hand is lifted slightly to anchor. Sorry my German isn't good enough to fully understand your question or statement.

[@billdavis6117]

Well Arne you are a great teacher Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I watch over and over until I get it. Wish you would put up more videos. Again Thanks you helped me so much.

[@TheMoebow1]

Thank you Bill, glad they may have helped you.

[@ludovicquinonero4356]

Thank you Sir, your teaching is very instructive.

[@bobjoswick6075]

Suddenly my rhomboid are part of my draw, makings my shot much better. Drawing the bow has become easier as well. Thanks.

[@TheMoebow1]

Bob Joswick Very glad the videos are helping you Bob!! The rotational does all you point out -- better back muscle use, AND the feel of reduced work to draw the bow.

[@bobjoswick6075]

Wonderful instructions.Clear and easy to understand. Are you saying string hand goes to shoulder due to force of releasing string?

[@TheMoebow1]

Bob Joswick , YES! The follow through is a reaction to the shot. You hold the weight of the string with back muscles and on the bone structure; so when the string goes the string hand naturally recoils to the shoulder or the air behind your ear. It is something that happens, not something you do.

[@johnrichichi1649]

Hello Arne, you are the only Archer out that mentions about the way the bows turns when you hit full anchor. I have the best consistency when I draw the way you demonstrate but always thought I was doing something wrong as I never heard any other archers mention about the way the bow turns, if you draw with your arm away from your body of course it's going to turn. Thank you for confirming this and a great video.

[@TheMoebow1]

Thanks John. Many don't realize the connection between the rotational draw and the dynamics of how the bow works. But IF you use a rotational draw, the bow must be allowed to turn IN the hand and not by the hand turning.

[@johnrichichi1649]

I follow Jimmy Blackmon a lot , I think he is brilliant but he does not mention it either. I've just watched all of your videos, all brilliant. You explain everything so well, it's almost like you anticipate what novice archers are thinking and the questions they're asking whilst watching your videos. If you get chance please make some more but thank you for what you have already done. Helped me so much :)

[@bobjoswick6075]

So as I raise bow hand, it's just left of target? The string hand brings bow into target? I began doing this. Want to be sure I got what you said. Hope you do more teaching on line.

[@petervanderbeek9518]

The best coach what are these bails made from

[@TheMoebow1]

Just the standard old layered foam target button. Used in our archery club.

[@stefanlessmeister6451]

Thanks a lot from Germany.

[@Roadbikerider79]

Great video, much appreciated.

[@tradbowyer1975]

awesome video thanks for doing it!

[@TheMoebow1]

Not sure why you think the arrows are too short, they were used specifically to give a point reference on the bow so you could see whether there was a collapse. Also see my response about the shaking on the other "grouping" video.

[@micidiale8708]

Thank you!

[@TroysHobbies]

Thanks Moebow for the video. this is Simon from AT.

[@petervanderbeek9518]

Thanks Arne

[@michaelmacdonald901]

Thank you Arne for your instructional videos. One question I have on the rotational draw is: Does the "expansion to conclusion" motion trigger the release (conscious letting go of the bow string) or does the expansion motion surprise you when the string fingers can no longer hold the string during that motion? Thank you sir.

[@TheMoebow1]

Michael MacDonald the release should be a surprise not a conscious act. Release just happens during expansion.

[@michaelmacdonald901]

Thank you Arne. I'm enjoying learning proper technique after 50+ years of self taught form.

[@TheNockingPoint]

Hello, Arne, Thank you! I watch this video often as a reminder of the rotational draw. Since you are using a longbow for this video. I would like to ask what is your take on that bows "stability" VS a recurves stability. I am not a good enough archer to understand the stability statement. By the way whenever I see you have commented on a post that I am following I immediately go see what your comment is. It's like the old commercial when EF Hutton speaks people listen. Thank you

[@TheMoebow1]

Thanks for the kind comments, don't think I've seen that comparison before. :>)) I too struggle with the common talk about both "stability" and "forgiveness." Except in the rare case of a REALLY poorly tillered bow, I find that all bows shoot well. Maybe what many refer to is when they as the shooter are trying to MAKE the bow conform to them rather than THEM conforming to the bow. That is allowing the bow to do it's job. I see no real difference between a long bow and a recurve, maybe I'm not good enough either?

[@TheNockingPoint]

Hello Arne, Thank you for the quick response. If you can't see the difference! I am certainly not going to waste any more time trying to figure what the heck this forgiveness and stability are, that people are talking about. Thank you for all your videos and commentary!

[@TheMoebow1]

Wasn't really trying to show stance and posture, just the mechanics of the draw. My feet are shoulder width apart, and open to the target at about 20 degrees. Hips inline with the feet and then a twist in the torso to line the shoulders up with the target.

[@nic803]

Just a bit of semantics in the form of a question, but I notice that I struggle greatly to hit anchor when I think rotational draw rather than what appears to be more of an angular movement of the elbow as you pull the string to anchor. A bit of fuzzy logic is that the smaller rear deltoid is not nearly as strong as the inner larger back muscles. Have you wrestled with this at all? Excellent videos and descriptions.

[@TheMoebow1]

Nic, rotational draw or angular draw are just variations of the same thing. I have progressed to liking the "angular draw" description best. the string hand and forearm comes straight in on about a 45* angle to your loading position. Yes, pretty much semantics.

[@nic803]

Good to know Arne. I am really liking the angular draw from a consistency standpoint as well as making it easier on my shoulders as I tend to over rotate and then collapse with the rotational draw. thanks again.

[@johnhall6309]

Thanks. Very helpful.

[@cliffbrown4217]

Are you saying that when drawing the bow your string arm elbow should be no higher than your shoulder and if it is you will be using shoulder muscles that do not exist.

[@TheMoebow1]

No, I'm saying that the drawing motion should be in a downward direction/angle. IF, the motion moves in an upward direction, you are trying to use muscles that are above your shoulder. In other words, you are drawing into weakness, rather than strength.

[@seanwilson471]

videos are very helpful. i seem to have trouble with my bow arm, i get the rotation on the drawing arm on to my back but i'm stuck with bow arm, pressure coming up into the muscles bellow my neck and back of my shoulder and front of my shoulder. could this be because my front shoulder is not back and is coming forward all the time? any help would be appreciated, as i'm in the UK, mostly shoot English recreational longbow, sometimes one piece recurve. i have had to drop Bow weight right down as I am suffering with this front shoulder, Sean

[@TheMoebow1]

A little hard to answer without seeing what you are doing. Have you taken a look at the "bow hand/ bow arm" video I did? As the draw starts, the bow shoulder and arm are static and should not move or take strain on the muscles, it's all bone support.

[@seanwilson471]

ok I think I may need to drop my bow hand and concentrate on setting my shoulder. I have been doing more of a swing draw but I think I will try it your way by setting the shoulder keeping it back and down as I think when I swing up my arm and shoulder are coming forward

[@TheMoebow1]

I'd suggest that you learn to keep the shoulder down and back first using what I show in the videos. Once you have that you will find that a swing draw is fully compatible. Sounds like right now you are letting the shoulder ride up as you "swing" up. Learn shoulder position first then apply to swing.

[@cliffbrown4217]

Arne are you standing 90 degrees to the target when you use the rotational draw? I am having trouble learning the rotational draw, please answer my question I need all the help I can get.

[@TheMoebow1]

Cliff, I standing about 30 degrees open to the target. But, I often start new folks square to the target. Part of the draw advocates a twist of the upper body into alignment. It gets core strength involved. The rotational draw is quite difficult for many, initially, and MOST need to spend some time with an NTS coach to learn it. It's really not that hard but it's difficult to read or watch instruction and then actually translate that to the actual shot.

[@cliffbrown4217]

@@TheMoebow1 Thank you sir.

[@cliffbrown4217]

What do you mean when you say bring the string down and around your spine?

[@TheMoebow1]

sorry for the slow response. been fighting with Google about my password. Watch the video carefully, see how my drawing arm starts out high and moves slightly down during the draw? That's what I mean. This is a LEARNING technique to get your back tension as low in the back as possible. Once you gt that FEEL, you can achieve it many different ways but to start do it this way.

[@jimwalkerarchery]

Nearly 8 years old and still the best video on KZbin describing the correct draw technique in archery (to reduce shoulder injury). Approved by kzbin.info

[@TheMoebow1]

Thanks for the kind comments Jim.

[@jimwalkerarchery]

Has your drawing into alignment coaching technique changed much since 2011, or do you have a newer video with even better teaching points on this subject?

[@TheMoebow1]

All my videos are here: kzbin.infovideos?view_as=subscriber I gave a lesson to an individual last year that he recorded and posted on the Archery DYI you tube site; kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZu6Z5JsZbupppo

[@TheMoebow1]

I really have changed nothing other than 8 years of getting better at it myself. LOL

[@toxy1948]

Why were you shooting faster toward the end of the video?Deliberate or tiredness?

[@TheMoebow1]

toxy1948 I explained that those last shots were my version of the swing draw. And that you could shoot fast or slow with the rotational draw. I was just demonstrating the fact.

[@toxy1948]

Fair enough-was not paying attention.

[@kevinroberts9580]

Arne Moe yes you did explain it very well. I am experiencing Target Panic where I cannot let go of the string smoothly, it is herky-jerky or a pluck. About 5 out of 10 shots are good shots. I know I'm probably overthinking it. I used to be pretty good at 3D archery and field but not now

[@luftikus4915]

Versteh´ich leider nicht: "string becomes slightly below anchor and then straight up to anchor..." Die Zughand ist doch bis zum Lösen an die Sehne gekoppelt, da rührt sich doch rein garnichts ?? "Down and up..." Ich sehe da kein "down and up"...

[@Amanwithoutaface112]

good vid, just a couple things wrong i saw. first the arrows are to short and also looks like he is shakeing at full draw this is most likely due to pulling to much weight and is not comfortable enuff to hold anchor

[@wudstoc]

the upper body looks good, but you cant see your feet or stance....

[@uncleremus5046]

No need to get defensive your a fine coach. I'm just simply stating nobody taught, explained proper back tension better, & simpler than Al. By simply concentrating on keeping the elbow back the student executed proper back tension without ever knowing it. Sometimes Al would never even tell them because it was ingrained already & no need to muddy the waters. There a million videos on BT & none are close to his teachings. Maybe incorporate his teachings with yours for better results? Again no disrespect intended!

[@uncleremus5046]

Too complicated, just concentrate on keeping your elbow back @ anchor then keep muscles active like stretching a spring until explosion. That's from the best coach ever Mr Al Henderson!

[@TheMoebow1]

What's your point Chris?? If you are lucky enough to work with Al Henderson, why are you trying to put one coach's technique against another???? If you don't like what I suggest, then just go with what you do like, no worries. Frankly, it is not too complicated, just another style that is proving to work well in currently high competition circles.

[@kevinroberts9580]

Arne Moe well said!

[@earlfultz8603]

He has incredible form like Jeff kavanaugh