NEW MOON is CODEPENDENCY (Movie Commentary & Reaction)

Twilight: New Moon movie commentary reaction
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Continuing with our Twilight Saga movie reaction and commentary series, it's Twilight: New Moon. The second movie in the saga was an interesting ride. A lot to talk about... We hear the third movie is great though so we're looking forward to the next movie commentary in this series!
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[@MariaRodriguez-qe6qc]

Also, the thing about Jasper's "ability" is that he can, not only influence other people's emotions, but also feel them. By that logic, with Jasper living and being near other vampires, is constantly dealing with his and other vampires' hunger. So, when Bella bleeds, Jasper is very overwhelmed by everyone's (including his own hunger) hunger, along with the fact that he's new to it.

[@MariaRodriguez-qe6qc]

Also, with Bella's blood "singing" to Edward, Jasper feels that too

[@gucciasalways]

Whyyyy can’t I have a book with all these cool vampire backstories and powers without Meyers’ Bella/Edward bullshit

[@courtneystiles8097]

Its been so long since I've read the books that I completely forgot about that lol. They did Jasper dirty in the movies, no real development.

[@jordantaylor6602]

@@gucciasalways the twilight official guide explains all of the backstories

[@Keii_chiiu]

Ah so that's his ability I always thought he didn't have one lol

[@MsFloweroffire]

Charlie is just the best character in this series.

[@themoviebud1988]

Yes, he is 👌 - Sam

[@sipulikorva8717]

And that's the gospel truth!

[@kernaishaxoxo]

@@sipulikorva8717 now I have to go watch Hercules!

[@TheCrayonMaster]

@@kernaishaxoxo I was just thinking the same thing haha

[@sipulikorva8717]

@@kernaishaxoxo You're welcome

[@Aurora-po1rv]

"He just takes her to the woods and disappears" that was weirdly specific and correct 🤣

[@jasonreilly8387]

Do you wanna come woods

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah. Felt weird about that one 😳😂 - Sam

[@BGPDCSF]

In the book it was like right behind her house she could see the house but her depressed self was following him without looking back

[@elisabethn2893]

Your face lmao x'D

[@fatbitch7168]

the power of intuition

[@bexc348]

Jacob: _"I can't protect you here"_ Bella: _"It's okay, you don't have to"_ bruh you just jumped off a cliff, you need protection from yourself

[@observantwonderer7401]

Accurate. description.

[@jennabreland5261]

"Too bad Carlisle's not a fkn shrink" is the best and hottest take I've ever heard

[@RagingRaven88]

Out of every teen movie out there, this is the most destructive. "My boyfriend broke up with me, guess I have to hurt myself to get his attention."

[@ambriaashley3383]

omg it's terrible 🙈

[@Annausagi2]

And back then (and now) this wasn't seen as something negative that Bella had to overcome, nah, it was intended to be super-romantic apparently.

[@queenigelkotte]

It kinda remind me of when Justin biebers fans started selfharming to get him to noticed them.

[@QueenOfTheZombieApocalypse]

Then she gets an emotional support dog (aka Jacob) 😂

[@eeeeeeeee9895]

@@QueenOfTheZombieApocalypse who leaves her the same way her ex did

[@rebecky5ever]

Cinema Therapy did a review of this film and they said the only character who was not horrible or toxic was Charlie. He was the shining beacon in this toxic waste dump of a movie.

[@themoviebud1988]

And we totally agree with them. I don’t hate Jacob yet, but I keep hearing that’s going to change... - Sam

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Absolutely

[@rebecky5ever]

@@themoviebud1988 better get helmets on because his arc and character development will give you whiplash.

[@RagingRaven88]

I love Cinema Therapy. If you want a good cry, watch there video on Inside Out. It's so good.

[@TheCrayonMaster]

@@RagingRaven88 I also love cinema therapy 💕 and I am totally with them when they cry

[@jessicacummings9135]

This always brings back very vivid memories of my mom reading this book before allowing me to so she could talk to me about unhealthy codependent relationships and suicidal ideation

[@pelo4040]

Your mom is amazing.

[@Megan-ir3ze]

I wish my mom had done that 🥺

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Queen behaviour.

[@themoviebud1988]

Damn, solid effort from your mom 👌 - Sam

[@arkikali5632]

That's the way to do it. Same with movies and music videos. Like Love the Way You Lie by Eminem. It's a beautiful song and a great teaching tool, but you have to TALK about it.

[@steph0711]

"I don't know man, just let her go" That made me laugh for a solid 3 minutes 😂 but it's also kinda true... I actually like New Moon, but only because of the whole werewolve thing being introduced and I like the music.

[@laurajaynenolan2149]

Same, I had to pause that bit to laugh hahaha

[@themoviebud1988]

I was a little worried that joke was going to be considered too harsh 😅 But, I'm glad I didn't cut it 😂- Sam

[@freyjanj]

Love how you're just like "f*** this, I'm out".

[@themoviebud1988]

That one was tough 😂 - Sam

[@elisabethn2893]

Honestly yeah, that IS the twilight mood

[@Coven_of_Hags]

Victoria is the only character who has motives that make sense lmao. Her boyfriend was killed over a hamburger! There was a deleted scene where you see her talk about her pain.

[@danieladifoggia9019]

An hamburger 💀😂

[@hikaru78-]

xDD

[@asnail101]

Never thought about it that way 😂

[@tiffanykim2773]

Hamburger lol

[@aw-pc3sf]

A moldy hamburger

[@niamhh8063]

We need a Charlie & Carlisle spinoff where they just sit around drinking and shit talking about their kids’ AWFUL decisions

[@teecai5250]

12 yr old me was absolutely foaming at the mouth for overprotective Jacob

[@themoviebud1988]

That’s fair 👌 - Sam

[@Graduatelife.]

Same. I was in love with Jacob when I was 10-12 and 3 years later I’m still in love with him. Werewolf Jacob is godly in my eyes

[@jasonreilly8387]

@@Graduatelife. Jacob just pops his top off team Edward all the way #ownsashirt

[@Ashole024]

Well we should all agree that Edward SHOULD keep a shirt on. Please

[@adrianamurrillo7473]

Twilight was my sexual awakening

[@liveinluv]

"it's funny how he's the vampire and she's the one that's always thirsty" So I totally spit my drink laughing, why is that so accurate 😂😂😂

[@diegochavez6520]

The reason why this movie has color is because the first movie had a lot of blue and grey tones, which fit with the atmosphere of Forks and enhances the pale complexion of the vampires, but New Moon was given a much warmer look, with orange and brown tones. This is because Twilight’s main focus is Bella’s relationship with Edward and thus the introduction of vampires, while New Moon is more about Bella’s relationship with Jacob, her best friend who is revealed to be a werewolf/shape-shifter. The subsequent movies in the Twilight Saga had either more neutral colors or a combination of warm and cold, depending on the scene, as is the case of Eclipse, where the scenes involving the newborns and the battle were more blueish and cold. These are easy to miss details in the Twilight movies but they ultimately elevate the experience of watching them and show that, contrary to what many believe, there was attention to detail when making these movies.

[@maxiemus5]

For sure! These movies were cinematically beautiful, the story itself is just super toxic and kinda bad.

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

I think what could have emphasized that would be that when Edward left and Jacob took a bigger part in her life then the colors warmed up showing that he sort of brought warmth and colour back into her life after her post breakup depression.

[@carmenq7339]

i think the new director came to conclusion that the first movie looked shit

[@cvn4135]

Also in New Moon they tried to keep the colour red out of most scenes so it would have more impact in the scene from St. Marcus day

[@katie__joy__]

EXACTLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY

[@Serenity113]

And this is where in the books I started calling Jacob “Rapey Jacob”. Where he started not taking no for an answer from Bella.

[@Megan-ir3ze]

As a kid I didn’t realize how toxic it was 😬😬

[@Serenity113]

@@Megan-ir3ze by the time I was reading the third I wanted to throw the book across the room. Jacob infuriated me lol.

[@Megan-ir3ze]

@@Serenity113 I didn’t see it 😬 I thought it was just love

[@Kirbybaby]

@@Megan-ir3ze ikr same its terrible seeing how much I let that influence how I thought men could treat me later in life too

[@klcpesan]

He starts off okay, then just gets worse and worse...

[@waitayear]

Charlie: "You've got to learn to love what's good for you" Bella proceeds to do the exact opposite for multiple movies.

[@orphanedhanyou]

The argument is becoming a vampire is her destiny and what is "good" for her irregardless of Edward

[@blkbarbie2671]

‘ you need a lot more than a girls night out; you need a therapist night-in’ underrated line 😭🤣

[@SophieLents]

New Moon is a perfect movie to watch when you’re depressed cause of that October-November-December scene, which somehow makes you feel better

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, she takes it so hard... definitely gives some perspective 😳 - Sam

[@SophieLents]

@@themoviebud1988 yeah, taking into account that she barely knows the guy and has already almost died because of him 😅

[@themoviebud1988]

@@SophieLents I know! This girl needs to sort her shit out.... 😬 - Sam

[@l.tc.5032]

Or when you're high.

[@jasonreilly8387]

@@SophieLents bella is such a drama queen #canrelate

[@swikarkalden]

Wait... how the hell is Jasper able to control his thirst surrounded by so many high schoolers? Also, I read somewhere that he only sticks to the vegetarian diet for the sake of Alice... Man that is devotion right there.

[@Kirbybaby]

if a paper cut triggered him Im sure a girl classmates heavy flow would lmao

[@erikperhs_]

That's actually not true. [SPOILER AHEAD] In the third book, they explain that because of his ability to feeling other people's emotions, he would feel really horrible everytime he killed someone, so it became umbearable

[@susanmaggiora4800]

I think it’s partly because Bella is so ‘succulent’ to vampires that makes it so bad. But I have wondered what would happen if he was sitting next to someone & they got a really bad nosebleed or something🤣 My guess is that Alice would foresee it & be there to head things off by getting him out of the area real quick.

[@airari24]

I think it was either in the books or the official guide that they mentioned that he purposefully doesn't breathe most of the time at school (he jus moves his chest to emulate it) + he mentally prepares (so he is prepared for all that human smell; also adds to people's perception that he's weird lol), but in the papercut scene he wasn't mentally prepared and so snapped.

[@E_btsot798]

@@erikperhs_ i thought that was shown well in his backstory in a future movie in the series that they havent gotten to yet

[@mcrrockspoft]

As a kid I was into Edward, Jacob, Emmet and Jasper but now as an adult I'm crushing on Carlisle

[@Megan-ir3ze]

Same 👌🏻

[@komal146]

Im totally crushing on Charlie here!

[@mcrrockspoft]

@@komal146 yeah, Charlie too actually

[@themoviebud1988]

Legit, just either of the dads is a good choice 😆 - Sam

[@Phantom_Fireside]

Can't blame ya, I'm the same

[@freyjanj]

Michael Sheen kills it as Aro. Amazing actor (and I just love him in Good Omens).

[@themoviebud1988]

Omg... he really was fantastic - Sam

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

His role as werewolf (Lycan) leader Lucian is also one of the best parts of the Underworld series. Forgot how awesome he was until I re-watched them as a result of my integration into the Twilight Renaissance. 😊

[@jasonreilly8387]

That laugh though 😍😂 what was that about?

[@x333Dariex333]

at the part where sam just left and i ALMOST CHOKED ON MY WATER

[@themoviebud1988]

I was real mad... 😂 - Sam

[@PureeTauruss]

What part??

[@insomni4portal385]

I feel like Bella and Edward’s relationship is the least interesting part of twilight

[@jasonreilly8387]

So the whole movie is not interesting

[@themoviebud1988]

We feel that way too - Sam

[@linaljp]

I've been saying this forever. They included most of the wrong things from the books in most of the movie adaptations in the series.

[@abbiemarie3245]

“Is this a common thing for the Cullen’s just to lurk in the background listening to conversations?” Mmm yes you’ll find this is a recurring theme unfortunately

[@jasonreilly8387]

I disturb peoples comfort sometimes then ask them are they comfortable

[@lu-cthecynical]

That's one of the reasons why I couldn't get into twilight at all. The lack of privacy the humans in the saga suffered made me uncomfortable

[@jasonreilly8387]

@@lu-cthecynical Shite sorry did I make you uncomfortable just as you got comfortable 🤣#Imakepeopleuncomfortable

[@lu-cthecynical]

@@jasonreilly8387 didn't even see your comment lol I read the original comment and just replied hahah

[@Emerald-t7k]

Tbf that's most vampire stories

[@LornaGreene]

girls night out? therapist day in! I died laughing

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Honestly same tho.

[@LiaLucina]

About the age thing: in the books they tried to pass it off as “they’re literally stuck were they are in development” so mental development too (see immortal children later on in the series) but like... idk how would that work you’d still learn from experiences and stuff and this age mentally in a way?? 😂 Edit: for clarification when she got on the bike with the random dude on the street, it wasn’t the same dude that assaulted her, he “just” reminder him of the guy

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, exactly! That’s how we feel about it aye 👌 - Sam

[@MrsNiaboo2000]

Tell that to normal humans who are stuck at a certain mental age but they experience the world and grow physically without aging mentall. Those people exist.

[@Toyon95]

@@MrsNiaboo2000 Yeah, I think I know what you're talking about- kinda like regression in the psychoanalytical theory? So I could understand how it would work with vampires as well. But must suck to not be physically able to develop your personality or be able to work through past traumas (like a human can if they choose). I guess that's why it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that this is a canon fact about vampires.

[@AnxietyRat]

@@MrsNiaboo2000 Yeah. Due to trauma( usually childhood trauma) you can be mentally stuck at a certain age. There's 30 year olds who act 15 or 16. Because of their trauma. There's a few on KZbin that I know of. It's kinda really fucking sad to be totally honest.

[@noxfior]

I feel like that was only valid for kids, as their brains weren't developed into adulthood yet when they were turned therefore they didn't have the same tools an adult has for understanding the world.

[@caropaez6522]

Sam being so sick and tired of Bella at the end is so damn relatable, she's so frustrating 💀 Even in the books, she and Edward hadn't even had five conversations before she was spilling that "i'm irrevocably in love with him" bullshit. The whole thing is insane!!

[@antheajohnson4234]

That, SOKKA NO!!... I-💀💀

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, Stef had some good ones 😂 - Sam

[@Angelica_h023]

27:49 exactly. In Midnight Sun we get more insight into her dynamic with her mom. Because Edward is at the hospital while Bella’s in a coma, he noticed that the mom has powers. Her mom is basically a super-powered narcissist (she can influence people into doing what she wants), though she isn’t aware of it. But that’s a big reason why Bella’s power is like a shield for her mind, from a small child she was protecting herself from her mom’s influence. It’s not “negative” per say, but it’s why Bella is sort of the parent in that relationship always putting her mom first and it’s also why Charlie struggled for over a decade to get over the mom. So yeah it’s not just the Edward breakup that’s given her this anxious attachment. Bella’s codependency is highly connected to her warped relationship with her mom and Charlie being absent for most of her life.

[@googleknowsus8184]

I did not know that 😮

[@thedrunkencatlady]

Frankly I stopped reading midnight sun halfway. Intresting insight

[@beah2700]

" you've been lying to EVERYONE! Charlie...."

[@angelazayn4878]

You've been lying everyone to Charlie and Everybody. 👏😁👏😂 Alice after Bella jumps of the cliff "What about Charlie, What about everybody... and Charlie". Dylan is in Trouble does it better. Than this quote

[@beah2700]

@@angelazayn4878 Dylan pops in my mind everytime I watch those scenes LOL

[@1AM1AM]

It's because Charlie's all that matters in this franchise

[@jassbunny4653]

....everyone

[@eveyryder4164]

The actor Robert Pattinson said that this movie had the best soundtrack. He said the movie didn’t even deserve it. I love every song of the soundtrack and it really helped immerse me into the movie.

[@freyjanj]

I actually liked this Victoria actress more than the one from Eclipse.

[@TheCrayonMaster]

I don't think I've seen Eclipse 🤔 I think I just keep seeing reviews of it 😂 (I did read the books and see the first 2 films though). I didn't realize they had switched the actress! Maybe she was doing Under the Dome and her schedule conflicted?

[@julier4140]

I wanna say she got pregnant but don't quote me on that lol

[@zoeisabellemusic]

@@TheCrayonMaster yes, she had a scheduling conflict that was about a 10 day overlap compared to the 3 month shooting of Eclipse and Summit entertainment wasn't willing to accommodate her. She herself was surprised that she was dropped from filming and recast!

[@themoviebud1988]

Aw, I hate recasts... - Sam

[@katarinax4560]

Best part of the movie: the music

[@themoviebud1988]

Seems a lot of people agree with you 👌 - Sam

[@sunniejmh]

Honestly the sound tracks are actually decent if not good, Robert Pattinson has musical talent and they let him cable here and there from what I understand.

[@ninamarie177]

The first two soundtracks are amazing, the third one is decent enough but after that they got much worse, at least in my opinion.

[@katarinax4560]

@@ninamarie177 agreed! The first two had the best soundtracks by far. Still a few good picks in the other movies, but not as consistently good

[@lovemyjeaans]

“Just let her go” lol. Best part of the video 🤣

[@starfire4539]

I read this as he said it 🤣 too funny

[@lbierman21]

Sam was brutal for that one hahahahaha it was too damn good

[@purpleglasses4511]

38:28 "i love how the werewolves are like DA BOYZ" followed by that weird exchange of bella being dumb got me laughing so hard i can't. "can't you just stop [being a werewolf]?" "it's not a lifestyle choice bella" right, what is she on lmfao

[@MadisonAiello]

Omg i live for the stupid little remarks from Emmett. He’s fucking hilarious and I love it. Honestly he’s like tied for my 3rd favorite character with Alice. But Charlie and Carlisle are my first and second favorite.

[@sadiec7035]

My hair turned white when I was 14 so that grey hair moment with Charlie hit me hard when I first watched it

[@themoviebud1988]

Wait, what? All your hair turned white? Permanently? - Sam

[@pelo4040]

My first greys started appearing at 8 years. My hair is almost all white and I'm not even thirty yet 😭 gave up with the hair dye too.

[@sadiec7035]

@@themoviebud1988 Yeah, I was already colouring my hair red so it wasn’t like I woke up with the whole lot white, but it started showing up on my roots. It’s just genetics, my mum said ‘oh yeah, that happened to me’ when she saw it. I’m 29 and still colouring it every six weeks. I don’t care so much now but as a teenager it was rough!

[@klcpesan]

@@pelo4040 good for you for embracing it!

[@susanmaggiora4800]

Sadie C That sucks. I can certainly imagine it being a big thing when you were in high school. My father lost his hair very early. I remember him telling me about him being a freshman in college, sitting in class & seeing his hairs falling onto the pages of his textbook. He was pretty much 75% bald by the time he was 23 or 24.

[@LizzyQween]

Just some context, She doesn’t have the photo. In the book, Edward straight up ghosted her. He took the photo and everything else and erased himself from her life. Not that that makes her behavior justified in anyway.

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

@مجنون شاعر I think if I remember from the books ok, it was because he didn’t want anything to remind her of him Edit: ...I don’t know how your @ ended up in the middle of the sentence 😬 lmao

[@breezy3392]

I always hated that detail. Edward didn't even have enough of a modicum of respect for Bella to let her decide if she wanted to keep a picture. That was just the cherry on top

[@daniellecooper1766]

I imagine Edward in therapy is like when lucifer goes to therapy and he said exactly who he is and his therapist thinks he just made it all up lol

[@1AM1AM]

Don't think Edward could pull it off as good as Lucifer tho xD

[@ArtemisNyx42]

@@1AM1AM Tom Ellis is such a treasure

[@eviesantos]

She doesn't have their photos anymore, that's why she's always trying to see him. In the books Edward hides all of the pictures he or his family appears in. You know that part in the movie where he's in her room looking at their pic together? That's when he hides all of em.

[@breezy3392]

18:13 I love that Sam had to nope out in the middle of the movie

[@yvonne8844]

Actually Edward does leave in the first movie after he smells her blood and he's gone for few days from school he heads to Alaska. So, he did try to getaway but he eventually came back.

[@Alczix]

And Jane's power is actually just making people/vampires relive the pain of turning. She is making people relive her pain, she was so traumatised by the venom and the tortures (she and her brother were about to be burned at the stake, I can tell you this it's not in the movies 😄) she wanted her ennemies to feel the pain they inflicted on her. Edward may be A masochist but Jane is a sadist.

[@blondie9909]

Do they ever give an explanation in the books about their powers? Like why they have individual powers , why a certain person might have a certain power , just how that works in general?

[@Alczix]

@@blondie9909 not really, They only have theories. I know why Jane and Alec have these powers only because Mayer said that

[@blondie9909]

@@Alczix oh ok thank you !! Stay safe :)

[@Alczix]

@@blondie9909 you too! 😁

[@azureascendant994]

That means Jane's powers don't actually hurt vampires and humans. She just incapacitates them.

[@FestivalFacePaintArtist]

That scene in the woods when Edward leaves DESTROYED me when I read it.

[@AnxietyRat]

Omg same 🤣🤣🤣💀💀

[@themoviebud1988]

Makes sense. That was brutal - Sam

[@FestivalFacePaintArtist]

You guys are correct that it is definitely not a good representation of a healthy relationship for reality but at the time I was in my early 20’s and just had my heart smashed for the first time, so the books, then movies took my mind off of it. I was able to have fun memories with my 4 sisters since we were all obsessed with Edward/Robert Pattinson😍 (I mean BATMAN)

[@MonicaEmeline]

I know Bella did use Jacob for a lot of things in this part of the book/movie, she didn't want to be lonely, she wanted the bikes fixed. But at the same time, she was somewhat transparent with viewing him as a "younger brother" she knew him from when they were both children, he's 16, she's 18. You both admitted she was being honest about her feelings being platonic for him in the Face Punch movie scene. And I do think on some level she had some feelings for him, but at the same time it was ALWAYS Edward for her. And he knows it but doesn't always respect it and tries to change her mind. Which you'll see moving forward. So all the Jacob defense to me is a little much, just because he protects her and loves her doesn't mean she owes him anything. I don't always think she treats him fairly, but the love she has always had for him is not the same type of love for Edward (which is not very healthy, but still).

[@nursev1003]

THIS!!!!!! He knew she didn’t feel that way & he kept after her ugh!

[@mzcescapie]

I feel like Bella can sometimes lead Jacob on, but overall is pretty straight forward with him about the fact that she doesn't want to be with him romantically and that she's still hung up on Edward. She tells him and yet he keep pursuing her. And she lets him, because she needs a friend and comfort in this time and knows that Jacob will only stick around and be her friend because he likes her and thinks he has a chance with her- which she tells him! At the movie she says "I don't want you to give up, because I don't want you to leave." Not "I don't want you to give up because you have a shot," no she literally just wants a friend and he doesn't know how to be that unless he thinks he has a shot. Classic "nice guy" gets "friend-zoned" and acts like the victim.

[@noelbernabe8704]

While I mostly agree with you, she nearly kisses Jacob 3 times in New Moon, and probably would have had they not been interrupted everytime. So there's enough of a mixed message there for Jacob to keep pursing her up to a point. Eventually though he obviously goes too far.

[@ranniwolves]

bella not cutting jacob off knowing how he AND edward feel is horrible. she is incredibly selfish in her relationship with jacob, and so is he, but to say she wasn’t absolutely toxic to jacob (and even edward to an extent) is just plain not true. you even said she LETS him pursue her because she knows he would leave if she straight up told him he was just a friend to her (which she never does, she talks around it constantly saying “i love you and need you but xyz”) and that is not fair to anyone. jacob is horrible, but so is bella.

[@rebekah975]

"Just let her go" 😂😂😂😂 never agreed with you more Sam 🙄🤣

[@sipulikorva8717]

"Hide some shirts around town" got me good.

[@susanmaggiora4800]

Or even better, some pants!

[@magggmae]

I know it seems bad, but she was having a panic attack. And when you’re in that state, the floor really just offers comfort, if that makes sense? It’s not as outlandish as you’d think

[@sarah4hp]

I think the only reason I never liked Jacob as much as a lot of girls was that I didn't like how pushy he seemed to me. He's that friend you have where you make it REALLY obvious that you do NOT feel the same way (like with the handholding scene etc.), yet they just keep pushing and making you feel like shit for just wanting/needing a friend... and yeah, that friend SUCKS. And seeing Bella trying to negotiate, and trying to make promises she doesn't want to because she is afraid that if she doesn't give him what he wants, and he feels like all he will ever get from her is "just" her friendship, she will loose him too... yeah, Jacob just never really felt like a good guy to me, nor did what they have seem healthy at all. Don't get me wrong, what she has with Edward is unhealthy and disturbing too, and my "Edward is the one SHE wants and chooses, and that is her right" stance was as positive as I ever got about Edward, so...yeah. I was never team Edward, nor team Jacob. I was more of a "team single Bella until she can find an actual HEALTHY relationship" kind of girl, but I was also very aware that that was NEVER going to happen 😂🤣😂

[@tiara29963]

Jake was a typical "nice guy" in the friend zone. Always thinking he "deserves" you strictly because he's a nice guy. Guilting her into kissing him was so trash.

[@xoliswazokufa3027]

I agree completely, I think I was ‘team Edward’ only because I liked Robert Pattinson. Yes Edward and Bella’s relationship is not healthy but I hate how people say Jacob and Bella’s is. It isn’t not only because of Jacob but Bella too, She literally only went to him because of what she can gain from him, to use him feel closer/ see glimpses of another guy

[@hyunjiniret87]

JACOB IS THE WORST

[@candyqueencandyqueen2689]

Both of them sucked. Jacob was a whiny Bitch that couldn't take no for an answer and Edward is a angsty edgy 2000 teen Boy, that for some reason thought he always had to make decisions for Bella and dictate how she feels.

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@xoliswazokufa3027 No one can credibly argue Jake has a healty relationship with Bella. No one. The first time he kisses her, he sexually assaults her. The second time, he emotionally blackmails her with threats of suicide. Not saying Bellas' relationship with Edwardy is anywhere near perfect, but the relationship with Jacob actually makes it look better by comparrison.

[@nakhiahodges]

In the books, Edward goes after victoria when he leaves, but she evades him

[@nursev1003]

So many things lost in translation from book to movie

[@Coven_of_Hags]

She escaped everyone in the books her power was showcased pretty good in the new moon chase scene except the part where Jacob tackled her off Harry as she would of sensed the ill will immediately as he made the decision

[@palomanevada2715]

The part where she says she doesn't like music anymore is actually pretty accurate for those who suffer from depression.

[@susanmaggiora4800]

Rosalie told Edward that Alice saw Bella die in her vision. When he called Bella’s house to speak to Charlie, Jacob said “he’s not here. He’s planning a funeral.” I think that Edward is making some pretty rational assumptions when you consider the information he’s been given. I’d guess that 99.9% of us would think the same thing he did after being told his girlfriend was dead & getting a further affirmation of said death from a phone call that tells him her father is busy planning a funeral.

[@nursev1003]

Yeah like why would he be planning Harry’s funeral..he has a wife.... it’s a fair assumption by Edward

[@zuzanagarelova8113]

No rational Edward sociopath

[@theMerryMonarch]

In Edward's defense... He went after Victoria when he left Bella. He's a shitty tracker, though, and Victoria is really smart, so she tricked him. He didn't just left Bella to her mercy like that.

[@brunomars204]

Blah blah blah, Edwards lame asf

[@noelbernabe8704]

Also, I think it's also fair to point out that Edward didn't know Victoria was after Bella. The funny thing about Victoria's entire rational for going after Bella is that it was flawed. She went after Bella because she believed Edward killed James... but it was really Alice that did it. If Victoria was using "mate for a mate" logic, Edward has more reason to believe Victoria was going after Jasper than Edward.

[@theMerryMonarch]

@@noelbernabe8704 i think it was the opposite. Jasper killed James, wasn't it?

[@mead0ws0vergrown]

i’ll never forget that these movies made me think taylor was native american for so long and then i found out he’s white lmao

[@theshadowfax239]

@مجنون شاعر He has Austrian, Dutch, English, French, German, Irish, and Swiss ancestry. AKA white af.

[@lilenwasnothere6867]

@مجنون شاعر he's literally just spicy

[@itspronouncednikolaj333]

@@theshadowfax239 I live in Europe and nobody looks the way he does. Wiki says he does actually have native American ancestry from mom's side.

[@marcelace9675]

They did have a few native actors, like Booboo Stewart, but yeah I felt this way too.

[@chloebaarb8697]

He actually does have native american bloodline so your all wrong if you do your research

[@Toft1815]

I hated too that when edward left, he "took" (technically hid but bella didn't know that) all the stuff that would have reminded her of him too, which only made the situation worse. Like I get he didn't want any reminders of him or his family, but if I lost someone super important to me and didn't even have a picture or any of the things that remind me of them? That would seriously mess me up

[@phillytothej4001]

it actually takes so much for someone that loves movies to physically walk away from a movie because they have such an intense reaction to the bullshit that is happening. i get it brother, its a rough feeling

[@KuroNekoXIII]

Y'know, when I read the books Bella & Edward's characters were not this annoying. I also got the sense that Bella was well aware this was not a healthy relationship, but she just didn't care because they were just drawn to each other. I dunno, I just found reading the books less annoying than the acting in these movies. Like it just had a different feel and tone which is why I read all of them. I think Charlie is the only one that translated to the films accurately.

[@nursev1003]

In the books Edward and Bella spend so much time getting to know each other, in the movies it’s so rushed

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@nursev1003 Thats what has to happen when you turn a full length novel into a 2 hour movie. If Twilight was a TV series on the CW like say Vampire Diaries, they could have all reason to flesh out the relationship. But because they only have 2 hours, things need to move at a much faster pace.

[@bellaancheta5407]

These films are literally my comfort movies. Rainy day comes, make some popcorn, close the blinds, and watch another teenage girl make even worse decisions then me. 🤩

[@thedrunkencatlady]

Touche! Bella makes my life choices look genius 😂

[@ugh5281]

i remember the 13 year old me fangirling over jacob and not understanding why bella didn’t choose him lmao at least jacob had a personality, edward is boring as hell 😭

[@Graduatelife.]

Ikr

[@Graduatelife.]

You get me. I was pissed that Bella didn’t use Jacob I was like what is wrong with you Edward has no type a personality or emotion or like anything he is boring as hell but you choose that over fine wine entertaining caring loving werewolf. Like are you crazy

[@pipszx5]

Same

[@jasonreilly8387]

Yeah but Edward had a shirt

[@fangirldreamer748]

Actually everyone in the series is toxic. That’s why I own the entire, Shadowhunter book series. And unpopular opinion, the movie is good. It’s not but it’s just great. I know it has some flaws.

[@alexaflores4095]

The fact that he literally had to take a moment to process her stupidity 😂😂

[@cheyennecollier6766]

I've just got to say- in the books, the wolves DO where shirts because they have these tiny bags that they tie to their leg that holds there clothes when they transform and that's INFINITALLY worse

[@sanne1261]

it's so scary how depressed she gets, i don't even care about the movie but this makes me so worried

[@mimigarrett891]

Did anyone notice that when she hugs him the first thing he says is "Heaven" Love the video guys hope you do the rest of the series.

[@themoviebud1988]

Did not notice that, no - Sam

[@sangriad.938]

"Ima take u out to the woods and leave there" "Ummmm about that..." LOL😂😂😂DIED

[@Completetwilightfan]

“idk man, just let her go” LMFAOOOOO

[@aparnay6391]

Idc what anyone says Charlie carried this entire saga on his back!

[@freyjanj]

Here we go. I think this is the one that is mostly overlooked.

[@themoviebud1988]

Idk why it would be overlooked. This movie is insane 😳😂 - Sam

[@freyjanj]

@@themoviebud1988 it is, not the good insane, but the crazy insane.

[@mcrrockspoft]

I was pro team Jacob before Eclipse. You'll see why

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, I keep hearing this.... - Sam

[@jessicac8]

I like kinda knew his character was acting shitty but my preteen self was too distracted by his hotness 😩 I stayed team Jacob lmao

[@brunomars204]

Tbh. Any version of Jacob is miles better then Edward.

[@noelbernabe8704]

Honestly I was surprised there was a team Jacob after Eclipse.

[@ProsaicFluff]

I very much see myself in Sam recognizing actors from other movies/shows, feeling compelled to instantly point them out and then remembering their name 30 min later. xD

[@Francessss_]

At least can we ALL agree that the soundtrack SLAPS??? LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THAT HARD FOR THESE MOVIES! IT'S * *chef kiss* *

[@cissyiniguez]

Some people do get gray hair when young. Though not my entire head, I started getting white hair in a certain spot around age 15 and even would try coloring it but it was very resistant. By the time I graduated high school at 17, I had a completely white streak of hair from my temple (picture Rogue of X-Men, it was also a nickname some called me).

[@themoviebud1988]

So did your hair end up going all grey or do you just have a white streak? - Sam

[@laurajaynenolan2149]

45:35 Taylor literally left a bruise on her arm by accident. He didn’t know his own strength. You can see the bruise when she’s wearing a t shirt later 😳

[@gabby4291]

Taylor or Jacob?

[@laurajaynenolan2149]

@@gabby4291 Taylor while playing Jacob. The bit when Bella gets out of the car Jake grabs her arm but Taylor grabbed too hard and left a bruise on Kristens arm by accident.

[@joem2556]

Your faces when Jake took off his shirt was priceless lol

[@deannarose7000]

My mother has been rewatching the series for 2 days, why is the universe pushing twilight on me 😂😂

[@themoviebud1988]

Because. You must become part of the twilight. It is who you really are... - Sam

[@lu2883]

I kind of feel like the reason why Bella is so in love with Edward is because she had to be an adult from an early age on. Her mom is SO DIFFICULT in the books and basically never really there or not acting like a parent should be. She barely sees Charlie until she moves to Forks so Edward is the first person she meets that kind of takes the adult role for her and treats her the way her parents should have (protecting her, being there for her). When you said that everyone else's background story is more interesting thatn Edward's I agree a bit. Alice's past is the most interesting to me but after reading Midnight Sun it's clear (to me) that Edward went through quite a bit mentally (not as bad as Rosalie though). I also think that as long as you're aware of what's wrong with the books/movies it's totally fine to like them. Seein anything there and making it 'goals' is where the problems start.

[@n.j.5044]

You know what I just realized: Bella left Jessica alone with all the other guys in that motorcycle gang. Like, dafaq Bella? DAFAQ?!

[@swikarkalden]

AN ENTIRE HOUR?? You are spoiling us, let me tell you!!! Thank you for this and for doing the series. New Moon is just a huge yawn-fest but Breaking Dawn Part 1 is easily the worst in the film saga.

[@themoviebud1988]

No worries aye 😊 we like doing them long like this - Sam

[@khaosandlightliberation1980]

Fixing the twilight issues: Bella is a healthy well adjusted teen with morbid tendencies who loves herself. She falls in love with both Edward and Jacob who respect her and love her. They’re like bros, or lovers. They’re a poly couple and she turns into a hybrid, or chooses to become either wolf or vamp. Jacob and Edward wrestle which turns into cuddle sessions Boom. Like vamp diaries but with healthy polyamory. Cause like Katarina rightfully said “it’s okay to love them both” Edit: Charlie also accepts them and kindly rubs them all about how odd but lovely they all are together. Same with the cullens, though it’s harder for them to grow with it and they’ve spent a lot of family time to see how they work.Alice is with Bella occasionally too

[@Ronbon598]

Okay but the plot hole is if Victoria only wanted to kill Bella because she’s edwards “mate” then why is she still after her after Edward left her Also this is the last movie that jacobs halfway decent he’s hot trash from here on out

[@ositaiza888]

that's why she sent the guy to see if bella was under edward's protection, and edward tells bella to lie and say that they're still talking cuz he thinks that's what will keep her safer. ironically, it's possible that if she didn't lie victoria might've left her alone

[@Anna-vg5ur]

@@ositaiza888 that doesn’t make sense because Victoria never heard what Bella said to lorant since he was killed by the wolves immediately after, her lying made no difference to the story

[@ositaiza888]

@@Anna-vg5ur ​ @ceanna Pollard i realized i did not explain my point well/kinda not at all, my bad lmao what i meant is that victoria sent him to a place where her enemies were to see if they were still there, and then he just disappears. personally, if i sent a spy to a city to see if ppl wanted to kill me and then he went missing, i would assume that those ppl were still there. that's why i had never questioned victoria coming back later on second thought, i do agree with you that bella's lying had little to do with the outcome since it's likely he would've threatened her and the wolves would've come in anyways

[@Anna-vg5ur]

@@ositaiza888 yeah that’s fair

[@noelbernabe8704]

Frankly I never entirely understood why Victoria was after Bella at all. Since Alice was actually the one who killed James, you'd think she'd be after Jasper instead of Bella.

[@lecciciapires2166]

24:39 When Bella apologizes, I understood like she's used to feeling guilty for getting hurt, because her blood causes pain to the vampires that she used to hang out with. I just like that Jacob immediatelly asks "are you apologizing for bleeding?", showing that her behavior is not normal, it shouldn't be automatic for her to feel bad for that.

[@TheMermaidBru]

Basically, if you pay attention to the books, Edward says in Twilight that everything in him is made to pull people in. There are a few passages that explain that she's attracted to his scent more than usual, and that when she kisses him she can't stop cause there's something pulling her in. She is addicted to his venom, basically. The scent of it in his skin, the minimum amounts she can taste when they kiss, and so on. So yes, she is addicted to him, and when he leaves she's literally going through drug withdraw. It's not supposed to be cute, it's not supposed to be "she can't live without him" as in a romantic way. It's literally just "she can't live without the drugs she was used to". And then, by the end, it's not about that anymore. She get's over the addiction, but then she misses him as the boyfriend she knew. That's why in Volterra she's adamant on saying "It's okay, I can leave you, I can let you go". She will miss him, but she doesn't depend on her drug to be happy anymore. A lot of people just don't take the time to pay attention to books, and they never get to this part to understand it. In the end Twilight isn't about vampires/wolves and a love triangle. It's about who you ARE, who the people around you EXPECT you to be, and who you WANT to be. The movies did a REALLY bad job showing that though, in the end the red flags are up as a toxic relationship, when in reality the red flags are deeper than that.

[@alejandralizama4458]

yeah. The fact that he spent a lot of time in her room. With his scent all over the room, and she pretty much stayed in the room the whole time that she emotionally collapsed. It doesnt help her with her addiction with him. In a way, Jacob was right that he said Edward is a like a drug for her ( i think he said something within those lines its been so long).

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

@@alejandralizama4458 I feel like the books should have clarified that further if they wanted to make that point as I never even read that during my readings of the books and I’m literally an English lit major at my uni

[@kawaiikokutan7686]

@@Melanie-jy2nw technically it's not the books job to be on the nose about their actual message. Because if it was you'd all complain about that too. It didn't technically HAVE to be clear because People were able to interpret that message from it. You just didn't and that's ok

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

@@kawaiikokutan7686 you’re right that it doesn’t need to be on the nose but this feels more like a theory that I would write in a uni essay using only pieces of subtexts that I pick and choose from. An obviously biased take on it. It’s fine if you believe that but I do think that since it had had such a huge following, if that had been the point Meyer was trying to get across, it would have been talked about extensively in discussion forums and the media. I’m sorry but I see this more in the vein of a game of thrones theory, guessing through hints and subtext that never pays off. The audience isn’t dumb but they need a bit more than what they got. Besides, Meyer would have advertised it as such if only to silence a few of the series criticism if that were true.

[@alejandralizama4458]

@@Melanie-jy2nw There were few pieces of subtext that explains this, but I think because the author wanted to convey to audience that they are soulmates and were meant to be together, that is why this has not been explained any further. Even though their love has been muddled with a lot of things like the dazzling, explaining this would muddle it even further. This is what I think, but who knows, I may be wrong. This is just my understanding of the series.

[@bloodygoodjune9292]

When Jakob was trying to revive Bella and Sam said to just let her go, I had to stop the video and compose myself😂

[@fiImedeterror]

honestly, new moon jacob should not be considered the same character as other movies jacob, it's all downhill from here, folks!

[@aortiz233]

Thank god y’all posted this..I was legit about to get some work done but then I got a notification and now I’m gonna watch this instead

[@themoviebud1988]

Love your commitment. Probs still work tho 😂 - Sam

[@0FynnFish0]

To be fair, Harry being (indirectly) killed by Victoria is still a lot less fucked up than his death in the book. There he dies from a heart attack when Leah, his daughter, transforms into a wolf for the first time. As if Leah didn't have it hard enough.

[@pigeon842]

Stephanie did Leah so dirty :(

[@made-line7627]

Ol' sexist Harry 🙃

[@alexandrahuayanay3832]

19:15 "You have a photo!" Omg hahaha she wanted the 3D version LOL

[@deyashinidas]

"Piss off ghost", I understood that reference.🤣

[@mybalcony4066]

Is it from bbc's Ghosts?

[@deyashinidas]

@@mybalcony4066 no it's from the Thor Ragnarok movie

[@hannahallen4562]

Charlie and Rosalie are the best characters and that’s not up for debate

[@spottedleaf069]

I will not stand for Alice erasure!

[@hannahallen4562]

@@spottedleaf069 Rosalie, Charlie, and Alice are the elite top three

[@noelbernabe8704]

After Eclipse, I'd strongly debate Charlie is the best character.

[@danielar4413]

I'll never understand why Bella insisted so much in seeing Edward everywhere when he left her completely unprotected... He was not good for her, but I guess she couldn't notice that 'cause this enormous psychological problem that she has and this movie show like it's normal to be this way. Like "love is like that" and it's not true. I have 26, it doesn't matter now, I can watch this movie with an "objective" eye, sort of, but for teenagers, not a good example at all about healthy relationships.

[@breezy3392]

A better depiction would have been showing Bella do something, Anything for herself that did not have to do with Edward to make herself feel better. Show her confronting her own psychological problems and at least trying to recover from her depression. But no, its just extreme levels of codependency all the way through and it's honestly sickening

[@noelbernabe8704]

By normal human standards Bella and Edward are completely co dependent. The problem being this is a supernatural show, and you can't fairly judge the relationship by normal human standards. The books do a better job of conveying this than the movies, but there's a mating bond that existed between them. Vamps mate for life... they simply can't get over each other the way humans can. Edward assumed that because Bella was human it wouldn't apply to her... but he was wrong. And yes supernatural things like vampire mating bonds and wolf imprints by normal standards is unhealthy and co-dependent. But what can ya do?

[@breezy3392]

@@noelbernabe8704 That is a weak pathetic defense for these characters' behaviour. This "mating bond" sure explains Edward's attachment, but the choices on how he handles it are entirely his own fault. Just one example, I could give plenty more: With leaving Bella, he could have been honest and mature - seriously he's 109 years old - and said "I'm leaving because I don't want to hurt you". Instead he chose to take away any and all agengency and what little self-esteem she had. He wouldn't even let her decide for herself if she wanted to keep a picture. He tries to control how she thinks, feels and reacts to things all the time. He lies and manipulates her all the time throughout all four books. A mating bond didn't make him do that shit. And Bella, we can measure her by a human standard and she is extremely codependent and toxic as hell with her own behaviour. She never does one single thing that isn't all about Edward or Jacob. She uses Jacob as an emotional crutch despite knowing that it hurts him. And while she believes Edward doesn't want her, she thinks that if Alice turns her she can "follow him anywhere and won't let him be distracted." Creepy Ex Stalker Alert 📢 And Jacob, 90% of the disgusting toxic bullshit he did cane before he imprinted on anyone. So yeah, we can judge them.

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@breezy3392 I'm not saying the mating job made Edward act as controlling as he did. I'm merely saying it's the cause of their co-depenency. They don't have the option of simply moving on like normal relationships. But yeah, you can fault them on a lot of the bad choices they make. The vampire mating bond doesn't excuse that that. I will disagree with you on one point about Edward. I think he for the most part stopped being lying and manipulative to Bella halfway through Eclipse. I think he realized his behavior was wrong, apolotized, and for the most part gave her a lot more trust and freedom afterwards. The only part afterwards where he maybe come off too controlling was when he was afraid the baby would kill her in Breaking Dawn. But that was an understandable fear, and despite his concerns he not only allows Bella to have her way but in delivers the baby himself. Point being I think Edward had a completed character arc in Eclipse and was mostly okay from that point onward. In fact I'd even say he was arguably TOO understanding and accomodting to Bella in the later part of Eclipse.

[@breezy3392]

@@noelbernabe8704 OK, common ground on a lot there. Still some points debatable about Edward in book 4, but let's leave that alone. Bella, she is human, there is nothing supernatural working on her at this point. She is just a codependent human - shown by her also attaching to Jacob when Edward wasn't around - who is also toxic in her own actions and desperately needs a good therapist. Vampire mating bond may cause Edward's attachment, ok, but his choices, his behavior and how he treats Bella is on him. I think we're agreeing that we can judge the toxic behaviors of all parties, is that right.

[@sijovi6749]

When I was just scrolling through the KZbin Frontpage to find something to watch on my monday evening...here you guys come and answer my prayers! ❤

[@themoviebud1988]

So happy to be of service 😋😁 - Sam

[@sijovi6749]

@@themoviebud1988 Dont know if you've answered this but are you planning on doing 50 shades of grey? I know I am asking a lot here, but I so want you to roast these movies! Much love ❤

[@mimigarrett891]

Worst movie in the series but it has the best soundtrack out of all the other movies. If you ever get the chance you should listen to it and the original score ☺️

[@jimenamartinezquintero3407]

I actually believed the first one is worst

[@susanmaggiora4800]

Yeah, this one & Eclipse (I think. It could be Breaking Dawn Pt. I) have pretty awesome soundtracks.

[@giovannarodrigues2647]

True!!! This one has my favorite soundtrack!

[@themoviebud1988]

Sure, lots of people seem to agree with that 👌 not really my vibe tho 🤷‍♂️ - Sam

[@bowtiepotato554]

43:00 “idk man, just let her go” sent me over 💀😆

[@Zack-bt3mk]

I feel the need to comment on something. While absolutely not healthy, Bella's reaction to the breakup is all too familiar and relatable to me. Not to go into a rant, but having gone through a similar situation in terms of being on the receiving end of a very bad, non-mutual breakup -- it definitely *feels* like the world is ending. My ex partner and I were living together longterm, spending basically every moment together. I guess, without realizing it, we both grew to be co-dependent. And suddenly this future you had, every single plan you made, every bit of personal fulfillment in terms of intimacy and love -- it's all gone, and often without a reasonable explanation. It took me months to laugh again -- and that is not an exaggeration. Grief is a very intense, uncontrollable emotion and unfortunately it consumed me. So while Bella's reaction is not ideal, it is very realistic for many people. :/

[@d.j.652]

I literally died when Sam said, "Just let her go." Oh man xD I wasn't disappointed with this video lol super excited to see more.

[@MrKaelas]

The comment about the Volturi and "Anne Rice" style vampires was interesting. I like that comparison, because you're right the Volturi have the feel of Armand, and young Lestat...kind of the old European noble, old money kind of vibe. And it's interesting that the main "American" vampires we spend time with are bucking that trend. Especially with the series resolution and how it leaves things. But I can't say much more without spoilers.

[@noanRUA]

A ton of fun moments in the discussion but "... AbOuT THaT 👀👀" is going to stick in my mind forever 😂😂

[@annarose932]

I very much appreciated the Gravity Falls quote at 40:56. That is a TV show that needs to be quoted more.

[@maizysincestarling8679]

When Bella is depressed for a year because Edwards leaves I don't think is probably normal or healthy at her age. She and Edward hadn't even been together all that long. But grieving the end of a long-term relationship or marriage is healthy and normal. I was married 21 years and it ended suddenly and I'm still grieving the loss of it.