ECLIPSE is both BETTER and WORSE!? (Movie Commentary & Reaction)

[@nazarisreyes6037]

Leah is the only female werewolf, she has issues with her period, became sterile and has to live hearing how members of the pack don't like her because she's sad her boyfriend left her for her cousin, yet she finds time to tell Bella "Hey, you broke his heart, don't keep hurting him" and Jacob is like "She's such a b*tch" Eww

[@kitsulu8576]

Yeah they constantly berate her because they can hear each other's thoughts and are basically like "yuck, stop thinking Whamen stuff". There's a moment in the book where she pours her heart out on how she doesn't feel like a real woman and doesn't know what she's living for and Jacob is just like.... "Welp, nobody's touching that one'! 😅

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah... I did feel like she was getting a pretty raw deal - Sam

[@airari24]

And in the books her transformation into the first female werewolf possibly caused the death of her father via heart attack. In the movies they changed it to another reason, but regardless her dad died in either version!

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

Leah is horribly mistreated this entire series and there’s never anything good for her, only more abuse by people we’re supposed to like.

[@landendrake1696]

Shapeshifter*

[@susanmaggiora4800]

If I had a daughter, this series would be one I’d watch with her, as it’s an excellent tool for pointing out red flag behaviors in potential boyfriends (and people in general).

[@themoviebud1988]

Oh yeah, a solid teaching tool with the benefit of experience applied 👌 - Sam

[@celinahatton2653]

I have a daughter and I have done this exact thing.

[@Sofie2734]

@@celinahatton2653 that’s awesome! The experience will definitely benefit her later in life

[@pi14pi14]

My mom kinda did this. I could only see these movies if my mom went with me, and she aggressively whispered anytime a character was controlling or manipulative. After the second movie, there was an hour long lecture about co-dependency and healthy coping mechanisms. Honestly, a great experience. 10/10 would recommend

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

My daughter is 11, and we’ll be doing this soon.

[@anabourdieu]

I love how your reaction is 80% discomfort disapproving faces and saying "NO" It would also be so much better IMO if the movie was about Rosalie's quest for revenge and how she met Emmett than the whole love triangle soap opera saga

[@iMarieKelly]

Yes! Also, she got so much shit back in the day, but I've always loved her, and could completely see her points of view... That and she plays the part so well.

[@themoviebud1988]

Ooo, I like that idea. Rosalies story was brutal but could have made a strong story in its own - Sam

[@BlazingCorpse420]

I am still waiting for Twilight: Rosalie's Life bc its so much better than the vanilla girl with no personality.

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

@@BlazingCorpse420 I’m genuinely already planning to write this. Meyer is still too WAP for Edward (Bella is literally her self-insert, which is why Bella looks like her and has the same background, and Meyer admitted this was all based on a dream she had of herself with a teenaged boy in a field who wanted to eat her). Rose’s story is one that can easily be done badly. Meyer couldn’t do it.

[@AMB33ZY]

I honestly still believe that somewhere in a board room the workshop to the idea of telling each one of the Cullens families back stories in separate movies but I think Robert Pattinson not wanting to come back to the franchise killed that in its tracks. Separately from that I did think that a great storytelling work frame for it would’ve been them re-telling their stories to Renesmee. They could shoot the other character stories first hopefully building up enough steam to entice Robert Pattinson back highly unlikely but in the background he had to be an elusive character that we never quite see front and center but he’s always mentioned. Stephanie Meyers can’t have anything to do with it because I think it’s her weird obsession with the character that turns him off about the character or at least her delusion that this is a good character.

[@SophieLents]

"Don't you guys think you should all just be done with each other?" - Sam, this line literally sums up all 5 movies 😂

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah... I’m seeing this 😂 - Sam

[@ambriaashley3383]

yup! this might be YA's most toxic relationship 🙈

[@sarahxo2317]

@@ambriaashley3383 that award goes to Hardin and Tessa😂

[@mariafmk1068]

There are 5 movies? 🤤

[@isnthooker]

@@mariafmk1068 yes. twilight, new moon, eclipse and breaking dawn pt 1 and 2.

[@anuistiredashell]

not sure if any comments have already mentioned this, but edward's insistence on waiting until marriage, his obsession with preserving bella's soul, them being married so young and quick (as well as all these quileute native americans having decidedly biblical hebrew names????) makes wayyy more sense once you learn that stephanie meyer is mormon 😂

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

How she managed to take something that could have been a good example of not having sex before you’re ready and turning into a judgement against someone who is ready before marriage is a skill. Edward wasn’t wanting to wait for himself, but because Bella would have been lower in his view for not being a virgin before marriage. Makes you wonder if that’s why he rejected Rosalie after Carlisle decided to turn her to be a partner for Edward.

[@amby8719]

@@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH she wasn't turned specifically for edward. carlisle saved her because she was on the verge of death, but he was hoping for edward and her to find some kind of love. but edward only saw her as a sister

[@shriek_a_boo]

ah yes, the old mormon tenet--"native americans are jews who angered god, and so he turned their skin dark and banished them to live primitively as punishment". gotta love that racism-antisemitism combo /s

[@MarieGarrett.]

Oh wow! I didn't know that!

[@azureascendant994]

Then the Cullens and the other vampires have names belonging to many historical European royalty, aristocracy and rulers.

[@yiannis5972]

I honestly just want a show about the Cullen's pre Bella and their life before turning and right after they turn

[@themoviebud1988]

Oh yeah, that could be great - Sam

[@monmasva]

Well the new book is based on Edward’s point of view and actually shows a little of it + a lot of how the Cullen’s family dinamic Work when they are by themselves. Its pretty interesting the relationship between Edward and Alice

[@oglifeline1005]

There's a few short films

[@Rosyln]

I would absolutely love this.

[@uggggggghhhhh]

man thatd be cool. i wish they focused more on the vampire v wolf thing too or even the higher up vampires from New Moon. not this awful relationship lmao i feel like even a movie about Alice & Jasper would be 100x better, theyre so wholesome

[@swikarkalden]

"Wish Bella would call..." "Wish Bella wouldn't call." "Maybe I should call Bella?" "Maybe I should call Bella and hang up"... I don't know why but that bit absolutely kills me and I find myself quoting it on random occasions to give myself a good laugh 😂 😂 😂

[@gugulethuvilakazi4963]

Glad I'm not the only one😂

[@Ashley-Lopez]

It makes me wish we’d seen more of them😔

[@khadijaah90]

It is hilarious actually

[@klcpesan]

My main issue with Jacob's "I'll go die" when he finds out Bella is engaged, really reminds me of a time my abusive ex threatened to kill himself if I left him. Its complete emotional manipulation and it sucks. Jacob sucks. So does Edward but this is the only situation in this Saga that I have experienced in my life.

[@dawndaintyy]

That's awful!! I hope you are doing better now :)

[@TdScar]

My fiancé’s ex did the same thing! She threatened to kill herself and then would call him drunk at 3am to come pick her up even though he was with me because she was NUTS

[@ToeKnife166]

I had an ex do that but I simply didn’t care, I just cut him off.

[@TotallySquirrel]

Yep, had an ex who did the same. He was a master manipulator

[@klcpesan]

@@TotallySquirrel its so awful.

[@jennabreland5261]

That graduation speech is the actual shit, underrated

[@TheCrayonMaster]

Reminds me of the speech at my University graduation in 2011. The words 'we're screwed' sums it up.

[@diegochavez6520]

The realist speech ever

[@MubinNoor]

Slaps 💯

[@breezy3392]

And yet completely irrelevant storywise as the characters have no reaction to it

[@jennabreland5261]

@@breezy3392 It frames their decisions and like, illustrates the stark contrast of where they are vs where they arguably should be. The characters themselves dont explicitly react, but its kinda a mian theme for Edward that he wants Bella to stay human/ be able to make mistakes/ grow and change instead of being undeadified

[@walkofnails2923]

What drove me nuts about Jacob is that he kept telling the story of Leah/Sam/Emily and the heartbreak they went through with Leah & Sam together, Sam imprinting on Emily and leaving Leah to be with Em, and the pain it caused. Yet....he did not imprint on Bella. So if he had convinced Bella to choose him, then later Jacob imprinted on someone else, he will be screwing Bella over big time. Granted, the story takes a turn in the next movie, but Jacob doesn’t know the future. He’s begging Bella to be with him, knowing full well that he could imprint on another person at any time and will need to be with that other person if that happens, but he still tries to get Bella to be with him. Ugh

[@anastasiiaiurkova8897]

that’s actually ugly

[@tvddamonlovernina]

I think that in the book there's a whole thing about about that, basically he believes he will never imprint on anyone

[@jinphany.]

@@tvddamonlovernina idk why characters do that. Regardless if you think it or not, if biologically and hereditarily imprinting happens then you’re gonna imprint 😭

[@tvddamonlovernina]

@@jinphany. i know, I can't believe I have to defend Jacob (send help😭) but I think he was so in love and heartbroken, plus he hates the whole imprinting thing so he didn't deal with that possibility and just rejected it and tried to convince himself that he built different or something 🤣plus it's supposed to be SUPER rare like to worry about that possibility is stupid rare you know?

[@jinphany.]

@@tvddamonlovernina he really thought he was a chosen one 😭 So he’s allowed to be heartbroken but Leah is the sad and annoying ex 😭

[@mead0ws0vergrown]

i swear jasper and alice are the healthiest relationship in these movies

[@delaney725]

Manic pixie dream girl and her racist boyfriend why must Stephanie validate high-school pda couples

[@theabruun1028]

Twilight: Edward is a creepy stalker, who gaslights Bella New moon: Bella is sorta manipulative and uses Jacob as an emotional crutch, despite knowing that she’s hurting him because of his feelings for her. And Edward lies to Bella and hurts her deeply to “protect her” Eclipse: Jacob is pushy, controlling and obsessive. And Edward is ridiculously overprotective (to the point of also being controlling). How are all 3 of these characters so toxic at some point in this series?

[@fangirldreamer748]

Can you please tell why, people like this movie?! I’m glad I don’t have to deal, with toxic relationships. Because I’m Aromantic! 🖤💚🖤😊☺️🥰

[@rosdif9718]

Don't forget Bella just straight up cheats on Edward when kissing Jacob to make him stay. That's both Bella and Jacob manipulating each other.

[@naylisyazwina6836]

okay, I was team Jacob but after this and hearing their insight and reading this, I'm not on anyone's team. Charlie is best dude.

[@summerrose8110]

So you guys are going to continue to hate on Twilight until the rapture, huh? Great.

[@theabruun1028]

@@summerrose8110 I’m not hating on Twilight. I used to be a huge Twihard, and I can still enjoy watching it for fun. I’m merely recognizing that the relationship between the three main characters is flawed at best, and outright toxic and abusive at worst. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying something, as long as you accept and acknowledge that parts of it is flawed

[@mpatient133]

Ah yes, the movie where Jacob’s character is completely demolished 🙂

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, pretty thoroughly wrecked 😳 - Sam

[@Silvern7552]

@@themoviebud1988 I feel like they had to make him horrible to make it clear that, Edward is a good guy.

[@unicornkhan3792]

Yess I was going to comment this! He wasn't that bad in NM. This one his character is ruined for so many reasons.

[@blkbarbie2671]

@@Silvern7552 it made me so sad reading the books lol, because jacob was the only thoroughly likeable person. i agree with steff that it felt forced in to ruin his character and make it clear that edward is indeed, the ‘right choice’.

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

@@blkbarbie2671 Meyer destroyed Jacob because she was dismayed so many people wanted Bella to end up with him when she wanted everyone to live Eddie-boy. Instead of making Edward better, she decided to ruin Jacob.

[@Arionthelady]

I love how Bella talks about marriage ending in divorce but also wants Edward to turn into a vampire so they can be together forever. . .make it make sense sis.

[@tosinakin2508]

Ikr it feels like some people think marriage is like some magic curse meant to destroy any relationship. In actuality, most people just go into marriage the wrong way.

[@samlinares8877]

you also have to remember that her parents are divorced and they broke up when she was very, very young. it’s been years since i’ve read the books but i’m pretty sure it’s mentioned that when she was a child, her mom used to shit on marriage and warned her not to get married. all that will definitely fuck up your views on marriage lol.

[@saorise28]

@@samlinares8877it’s only recently been for solely love. Historically (at least if you had possessions and money to your name) you would marry for business or it would be an arranged marriage. They would make heirs and if they were lucky then feelings would develop and the marriage would work in peace. That’s also the reason mistress’s were so common.

[@ricardaseven6083]

"Edward got better, Jacob got worse and now everbody sucks" Good recap Sam :D

[@jareds122]

Honestly Edward and Bella’s relationship isn’t just toxic for them, it has made the lives of everyone around them so much worse. They brought all this danger from James then Victoria and they’ve brought all this attention to the Cullens from the Volturi.

[@Rosyln]

Completely agree. Not to mention the amount of shit Bella put her own family through. She put Charlie through hell and endangered his life and they really don’t show her having a lot of emotional turmoil over having to never see her mother or Charlie ever again after turning into a vampire. (In my own opinion). Also, didn’t Victoria kill Leah and Seths father in New Moon and since Victoria was after Bella because of Edward killing James that’s indirectly their fault as well.

[@themoviebud1988]

Yep, agreed, for sure. I keep thinking about how things would be for everyone else if they just started acting right lol - Sam

[@noelbernabe8704]

While all of that is 100% true, I can't help but think the Cullens in the long run are happier with Bella and eventually Nessie in their family. So for them at least, I think it's worth it. Hell, you can argue it indirectly might have even worked out better for Charlie. Without Victoria chasing them Harry might not have died. And as sad as Harrys death is, in the end it does sort of work in CHarlies favor. I almost hate to put it in those terms, but there definately was a silver lining for Charlie in that.

[@moonlightprincess449]

@@noelbernabe8704 how is it good for Charlie that harry died?

[@noelbernabe8704]

@@moonlightprincess449 He ends up dating Harry's wife.

[@rebekah975]

As much as I don't care for Twilight, I'm still really excited for this 😂

[@themoviebud1988]

Is ok Rebekah, you can like twilight 😂 - Sam

[@NikkieTwix]

I’m the same, hate the movies but love the reactions 😂 it’s weird

[@themoviebud1988]

@@NikkieTwix much appreciated 😋 - Sam

[@susanmaggiora4800]

nichole hutchison I’m pretty much the same. I don’t hate them, but I do think they are exceedingly silly. That being said, I’m so happy they’re doing them!

[@basicbehen]

Yes everyone can like twilight, I love twilight 😌😌

[@jacqueehebert2945]

Rosalie: "I was a little dramatic back then" Me: back then? Still are hon.

[@iMarieKelly]

And we love her for it! 😁

[@jacqueehebert2945]

@@iMarieKelly yes we do

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

@@iMarieKelly Hell yes. She and Charlie and Leah are the best characters even though we’re not supposed to like them.

[@Silvern7552]

Man... all this steamy sexual tension in this movie, just waiting for Jacob and Edward to rip off their clothes and go at each other. But no seriously, it even seems like it was filmed this way, what is up with that.

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, it kinda does feel that way 😂 - Sam

[@the_nikster1]

I mean why else do you think they wolves never hid any shirts? it's kinda obvious.

[@mcrrockspoft]

They already ruined Jacob in this one but Breaking Dawn is where things really get fucking WEIRD

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah, Jacob was real bad.... 😢 - Sam

[@mcrrockspoft]

@@themoviebud1988 he was a bad dog 😂

[@devirnis]

I remember reading that part in middle school and being like “that’s an odd choice of a concept to include” and then revisiting it when I was older, it was like “...what the FUCK???”

[@mcrrockspoft]

@@devirnis I love how the writers try to convince us that it makes sense too and that somehow it's ok lmao

[@gamechangersink449]

@@mcrrockspoft not just writers do this behaviour, lol

[@rebecky5ever]

I wish they showed more of Rosalie past. In the book they explain her friendship with a girl who was not as pretty as her and who married a man who wasn't very rich, but her friend was happy, had a baby, and was in love with her husband. The last thing Rosalie did before being killed was visiting her friend and that emptiness of never having a good husband or a baby to love stuck to her forever.

[@erinlynch6551]

By the time you get through Breaking Dawn, you're gonna wish they just made the first film a one-off.

[@themoviebud1988]

I’m so curious tho 😂 - Sam

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

@@themoviebud1988 Breaking Dawn is so boring that the one good scene in the movie (let’s just lump 1 and 2 together) was added in to make something happen in the movie. Nothing happened in the book. NOTHING.

[@Sammysreadingroom]

When Jacob kisses Bella in the book it’s so much worse, it literally describes her trying to push him off and not being able to so she stops fighting because she knows the only way he will stop is if she just lets him do it, THEN he has the audacity to say she liked it because ‘she kissed back’ because in his eyes her stopping trying to push him off is her kissing back PLUS when she gets home and her dad finds out he fully supports jacob

[@breezy3392]

That chapter made me sick and showed a great example of what a gaslighting abuser looks like

[@Sammysreadingroom]

@@breezy3392 and I feel like it’s a great example of victim blaming and how we “ask for it”

[@breezy3392]

@@Sammysreadingroom That too 🤢 🤮

[@noelbernabe8704]

Yeah, the movie wisely toned down Jacob and Charlies behavior. Not that Jacobs behavior in the movie is acceptable, but at least he was apologetic rather than gloating about it. Frankly I never understood how a team Jacob could even exist after that chapter of Eclipse.

[@y.m.7300]

Oh that sucks so much more…

[@lisaleyendekker8305]

when Bella says "jake, stay!" I always say "nah, go get 'em boy, go be a good doggy"

[@Alczix]

I thought the same when I heard it 😁😆😅

[@JoJo-hz5yc]

I never realized Emmett is the frat boy of vampires until now & I’m dyinggg 😂

[@leman1275]

I don't know why Bella isn't getting that the werewolves are literal werewolves. She acts like they're so weak, but she knows that they've killed vampires before

[@breezy3392]

The short answer is that Bella is an idiot

[@jennideangelis]

the best part of this is that everytime emmett comes on its " emmett is HUGE " 😭

[@Orion_TheyThem]

Actually, werewolves don't age as long as they transform. If they choose to stop transforming into werewolves, they age normally. Basically, this was added so that......a certain..... future couple could be together.

[@xwinwinwinx]

Plus this gives Leah a way for her to become pregnant. If she stops transforming for an extended period of time her body will 'unfreeze from time' and her period will return and she can become pregnant. This reduces the severity of the decision from Stephanie Meyer to make Leah the only female werewolf/shapeshifter and the consequences that come with that. The period/fertility worries are something Leah worries about frequently and her struggles being the only female werewolf (she has no one like her she can talk to about these things) and the male werewolves treat her horribly when she is struggling with these things. Just wishing she would stop thinking them so they wouldnt have to hear it, wishing she wasn't there with them, and not even being kind or sympathetic towards her, nevermind supportive like they should be. Sorry. Went on a tangent lol. I wish Leah and other secondary characters were fleshed out more. Literally any other character was more interesting than the main trio to me 😂

[@victoriabryer4710]

@@xwinwinwinx 👏👏👏👏

[@Orion_TheyThem]

@@xwinwinwinx nono, you're fine!!! I was just more addressing their question about Jacob's age haha. But I absolutely agree. I'm glad Stephanie retconned that in. It made it a lot nicer for Leah. I'd actually love to get a book about Leah. And her imprinting on someone. I wanted her to have a "happy-ish" ending. You know??

[@katdeasyy]

the kid that got turned has a spin off book about her called the short second life of bree tanner I really loved it as a teen

[@themoviebud1988]

I love stuff like that 😊- Sam

[@mjm3091]

It's actually one of the best books on the series, together with the newest Midnight Sun.

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

That book made Carlisle one of the most hatable characters.

[@wrenneinzbern]

I still have my copy. I feel bad. They really didn't have to kill Bree like that.

[@joeypotter6051]

I remember reading that to the kids at summer camp, I don't remember it being interesting

[@wordywolf3]

Gotta love a movie (and book series etc) that just reaffirms that literally everyone besides the main characters is 10000% times more interesting and complex. Just everything about Twilight reaffirms that over and over and over again. Amazing.

[@themoviebud1988]

That is pretty funny 😂 - Sam

[@breezy3392]

Why couldn't Meyer give Edward a backstory? He's her main character and he has no story at all. Really, she couldn't come up with anything?

[@MadisonAiello]

I know Emmett is a totally limbo but I fucking love him. He's fucking hilarious. His little comments always make a scene better. And Seth is fucking great too. Definitely one of my favorite characters.

[@nazarisreyes6037]

Edward was like "He gives you wood, I give you diamonds" *Debby Ryan's meme*

[@samfromthorne]

I love that bella’s punch doesn’t even affect Jacob yet her slap to Paul in new moon nearly twists his fucking head off. So badly that he has to transform.

[@breezy3392]

She didn't hurt Paul, she just made him angry. Guy has a hair trigger temper

[@samfromthorne]

@@breezy3392 her fist bounces off jake. Paul goes spinning 😂

[@noelbernabe8704]

Paul wasn't hurt... just angry.

[@ilovegeenadavis]

so glad to see y’all are feeling better!!!

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much 😊 - Sam

[@summerrose8110]

@@themoviebud1988 Stay blessed, okay?

[@thehuntsman8341]

I hate that this movie left out the fact that Victoria has an ability. She has the ability to sense and avoid danger which is why James got with her in the first place. They showed her abilities when the Cullens and the werewolves were chasing her and she was able to easily dodge their attacks without even glancing back. At the end the only reason Edward was able to kill Victoria is because he made her want to kill Bella more than she wanted to live. If he decided for one second that she wanted to live she would have escaped and they would not have been able to catch her. I feel like adding that detail to the movies would have made Victoria a more compelling villain.

[@dess234]

so did James really love her or did he just see her as his personal caution sign? I haven’t read the books before!

[@moonlightprincess449]

@@dess234 he prob just lusted her

[@breezy3392]

@@dess234 Edward tells Victoria that he saw in James's mind that she was a tool to him. He was using it to bait her, so not 100% sure if it's true

[@orphanedhanyou]

I don't think that adds anything really, the compelling aspect is the blind desire for revenge & manipulating Riley

[@gp2671]

Jake: I make you nervous. Me: Of course she is nervous, you are always shirtless and have great abs. Jake: I know you love me. Me: No, she doesn't. She never said she loved you. She may have sent a few mixed signals in New Moon, but she has never openly said she loves you. Mixed signals does not equal consent and/or love. Get over her. Bella: You know I love you. Me: Bella. You are killing me here. Also, the whole thing about loving more than one person it true, but Sam doesn't seem to be in love with Leah.

[@nadiar.4638]

Leah was one of my favorite characters and from what I remember from reading the book however many years ago, I do think Sam loved her, but the imprint took his choice away and caused him actual physical pain. Not many people will be able to find the strenght to fight against horrible pain and instinct

[@segisestrada4990]

This movies hit different because there's no other movie franshise so hated but so fun to watch at the same time.

[@breezy3392]

I think its more fun to hate than fun to watch. Pretty much every scene in both movie and book is fuel for ranting about toxic behaviors and bad writing

[@hearts1236]

I have an ex who thought this movie was the most romantic thing he also tried to convince people he wasnt abusive....

[@themoviebud1988]

Fuck... this is why we say it matters how these relationships are portrayed. I hope you’re doing better now - Sam

[@hearts1236]

@@themoviebud1988 getting there thank you!

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

Fucked up reality is people calling movies and books like this romantic is it does send the message that this behavior is good, and not only sets young women up to expect and accept it, but also teaches boys and young men that his behavior is good behavior. I have come by men over the years who had expressed remorse for acting like Edward since they thought that that that was what girls wanted since girls were screaming in excitement for Edward and Jacob, men who, to their credit, aren’t excusing their behaviors even though we do need to acknowledge that society did tell them that this was what was good and desirable. Frankly, this is why I started writing books. I was so fucking furious that abuse was helped up as romantic and ideal and was so worried that young men would mirror abuse since they were told it was good that that young women would seek this abuse because they were told it was good, and that happened. It’s not just fiction. Words have power. Fiction has power.

[@breezy3392]

If I ever meet someone who thinks Twilight is real romance, that's when I nope out immediately. These books were my first real look at what absolute toxic shit looks like and I was scared for other girls my age (14 at the time) who believed it.

[@katelynalexander2940]

not me binge watching every one of their videos✋🏾

[@themoviebud1988]

Glad you’re enjoying them 😋 - Sam

[@Orion_TheyThem]

31:15 I think it's because all the other Cullens are warning her that as a newborn (and that part supposedly lasts for a while, like decades) she's gonna have uncontrollable blood lust. And that's mostly what she's gonna crave. Take Jasper......he was turned in the civil war and STILL struggled with wanting to rip Bella apart.

[@joeypotter6051]

Okay spoilers for Breaking Dawn It was so fucking disappointing that she did not get overtaken with blood lust because I was predicting she'd get turned and she'd get out of control and kill Jacob's dad and then Jacob would decide he had to kill Bella but Edward wouldn't let her and while those two are fighting over Bella she's just off on a murderous rampage tearing people's heads off. I honestly thought that was where it was going. But no. Instead Jacob falls in love with her baby. Ugh.

[@blondie9909]

Someone said that jaspers power inst just manipulating peoples feelings but he also feels their feelings so the blood lust isnt just his normal vampire bloodlust magnified by being a newborn but also everyone elses bloodlust on top of it

[@karinabailon5373]

Alice and jasper moment ''aww'' same

[@AnxietyRat]

Yup. They are my fav couple tbh. I just HATE Jasper being a confederate. That's the only bad thing... like wtf, Stephanie! But, in general, I love both their characters. The actors did a great job!

[@Aliciae411]

I don’t understand why Bella was so against getting married and saying marriages end in divorce. She literally wants to be made immortal and spend eternity with Edward so she’s clearly committed enough for marriage 😂

[@ugh5281]

how did jacob went from being the sweetest guy to a toxic selfish one? i feel like the only way to save this "love triangle" would be for her to realize she's better off alone and go to therapy lmao

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

Meyer wanted readers to pick Edward since she was all WAP for Edward herself. She’s been open about why she changed Jacob. It was to turn the Team Jacob girls toward Edward.

[@ugh5281]

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria yeah cause if she would’ve kept jacob’s personality like he was in the first 2 movies, most ppl would probably root for jacob since he was super sweet and but then she turned him into this super pushy toxic guy like 😩

[@joeypotter6051]

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Nothing was ever going to make me like Edward

[@candyqueencandyqueen2689]

Bella to narcissistic to leave. She is toxic herself.

[@noelbernabe8704]

I think a lot of people just weren't paying attention to the werewolf lore in this franchise. The story makes it clear that young wolves have trouble controlling their temper. Alice and Edward both mention it to Bella. We also find out Sam hurt Emily when he was first learning to control himself. And the most obvious evidence is when sweet Jacob threats Mike when they go the movie theater in New Moon. Being a wolf changed him. The story made that clear. It's not about saving the love triangle because it never needed to be saved. Everyone KNEW Edward get the girl in the end... it was a foregone conclusion long before Bella finally cut Jacob lose.

[@user-es7ui5mc1m]

okay here's my jasper theory that i tell everyone: i think he's totally changed his thinking since he became a vampire (and met alice and started living with the cullens). Since he can feel everyone's feelings around him, he must be pretty much the most empathetic person ever (even if he doesn't really show it) and being in situations like high school, where he'd constantly be around different types of people, if there was a situation where someone was descriminated against or bullied for some reason (and lets be fair that happens fairly often in schools), he would feel exactly how that person feels and he'd know how shitty it is, so he would go out of his way to never make anyone feel like that (and even if he accidentally did, he'd immediately know and wouldn't do it again) also like... not to excuse the confederate soldier part in any way but growing up in texas around the time, that was probably the thing that you just "did" and everyone around you told you was the right thing to do (and as we can see, at least part of his orders there were actually things like evacuating kids, so he probably really thought he was being helpful?) Again, not in any way shape or form excusing it at all, but I also would like to think that the ideologies and thinking of a few years in the confederate army (and honestly only a few years alive, especially like... as a conscious adult) would be outdone by like 150 years of afterlife (most of which obviously in post civil war america). Again, not an excuse though obviously, just some thoughts on his background!

[@iMarieKelly]

I hope you're both doing better... Please remember, you have a support system, and community on here now. We're all here for you guys! ☺

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much Kelly! We know and it’s been a really nice community to have with us 😁 - Sam

[@acidmineslady5832]

Dang I forgot how much of a Nice Guy™ Jacob is. If he wasn't as pretty everyone would've hated him lol

[@carlycchapman]

Only because, and I'm just going off of comments here, apparently the author of the books fucked up his personality on purpose to make everyone "love" Edward. Like, it was literally FORCED because she was worried that people would want Bella to be with Jacob rather than Edward, so she made Jacob a piece of shit.

[@kima_95]

Nah, even as a child him being pretty didn't save him from my disappointment. 💀

[@tiara29963]

@@carlycchapman or maybe that's how she envisioned the story to go... Just because it's not what the majority wanted doesn't mean it wasn't how the author intended it to be. Even if it is trash.

[@KrisFlicks]

@@tiara29963 i’m pretty sure she stated somewhere that she intentionally did it, which it’s her book she can do want she wants, but instead of making jacob shittier than edward, she easily could’ve just made edward better

[@breezy3392]

@@KrisFlicks I don't think it ever dawned in Meyer that if you want people to like a character you should actually make the character likable

[@callmespinach4524]

And here we have "the one where Jacob's behavior gives me acid reflux"! Fun. I do genuinely enjoy the training and fighting scenes, though. Hope you guys are doing better. 💕

[@themoviebud1988]

Yeah... those parts were rough 😅 thank you so much! - Sam

[@bel410la]

That's the only good scene in this entire movie.

[@redheadstoner7788]

Then when watching the past with the werewolves “Why didn’t she just cut her arm?” Me: just you wait

[@Boreasnorm6391]

“Juiced to the gills” is now my favorite way to hear Emmett described

[@themoviebud1988]

Also the most accurate 😂 - Stef

[@marissawojo441]

this movie really makes it clear that every other character is far more interesting than Jacob, Edward or Bella

[@jennabreland5261]

In the books her end speech doesn't come so out of nowhere, part of why she was so devastated in New Moon was bc she felt like Edward literally took her future and her family. because when he left he told the others not to talk to her (or change her). i am not explaining this properly, but anyway y'all should read the Short Second Life of Bree Tanner, its good!

[@shi4084]

Ok the talk about Bella and Edward having sex literally made me choke on my tea so thanks for that guys 😂😂

[@jennapeaches4339]

Same here :D Well, not tea but apple juice, but still..."His dick would be like a diamond...He´s always rock hard" :D Yeah, so I just nearly died laughing...not the worst way to die....:D

[@shi4084]

@@jennapeaches4339 that was the bit where I was dying! Tea dribbling, tears falling I was a mess 😂😂

[@Andjelka99]

I died of laughter when Jeremy Jahns reviewed Braking Dawn I and demonstrated vampire sex using two rocks xD

[@yubyub335]

What i mostly enjoy about eclipse is the fact that we got more of Jasper and Rosalie (their backgrounds perse), i would have wished they did the same for Esme and Emmett in the two last films since (those who have read the books) know Alice doesn't remember her past appart from only knowing about that great niece she still has living in Biloxi, (We know enough about Carlisle and Edddy boy so)

[@swikarkalden]

This film had such potential in terms of the plot but boy does it still blow it... Also Kristen Wig and Nikki Reed's (Rosalie) wigs are just unforgivable in this movie 😂 😂 😂

[@jasonreilly8387]

All the wigs are terrible I mean where did the budget actually go 🤷‍♂️🤣

[@nadiar.4638]

@@jasonreilly8387 the budget went to making sure the cgi wolves were castrated 😅

[@enriquev1271]

@@nadiar.4638 The wolves still look like trash tho

[@royalscholar7504]

The rest of the Cullens were always more interesting than the two characters we followed. Rosalie's story still hits me in the gut

[@noni5961]

“I thought they weren’t gonna wear t-shirts” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@thandondlovu5392]

This literally just hit me how the whole movie would have been so much more interesting if Jessica was the main character instead of Bella. Because we all know that if she found out Edward was a vampire there's no way in hell she would have reacted the way Bella did.

[@themoviebud1988]

I totally agree. Mainly because literally any other character would have been better than Bella as a protagonist 😂 - Stef

[@breezy3392]

Any of the side characters would have made for a more interesting protagonists than Bella

[@noelbernabe8704]

That's intentional though. YA novels often use a generic non descipt female protagonist so the 12 year old teenage girls reading the can basically self insert themelves into the role. It's a very very common tactic. Bella can basially be anyone within the target demo reading the story.

[@nicoletyler3854]

@@themoviebud1988 my sister had a work project where she had to make PowerPoints and give them to new coworkers who haven’t seen them, to present to the group in all seriousness(team building exercises). And one of the PowerPoint topics was the side characters being better than the main characters. She includes Batman vs Alfred, Hermione vs Harry, and Bella vs “literally anything else” She showed pictures of Bella, and then pictures of Charlie, Alice, Carlisle, and a photo of a rock 😂

[@justlive2809]

sometimes I wonder if a love story between Edward and Jacob would have been better 😂

[@courtneylovett8307]

Then my friend you would have gay Romeo and Juliet, and I'm hereeee for it! lol

[@pi14pi14]

I love how how the story tries to makeshift Bella some autonomy at the end. Nah, its too late for this. Come back during business hours please

[@nursev1003]

Even Kristen was like what?! It’s totally about Edward. Again, not like in the book...

[@pleasantnezumi4909]

"They sense his wholesomeness". You guys are great.

[@mjm3091]

2:15 It's actually ancient dilemma. And at this moment our prediction is the ice with sprinkle of fire (temperature death of universe, with occasional explosions of supernovae). 7:45 Original girl got pregnant. Good for her, I wonder how she would play it tbh. 14:14 I believe it's 14 and 16 for Seth and Jacob. 15:00 There was already a lot of blood in area spilled by the vampire. Also her husband just died. In some way you could have considered it as keeping your dignity, by choosing your own method of death. Vamp probably would have tortured the remaining people. 16:30 Edward also knows shiet - his parents died from Spanish Flu, before he even was turned (Carlisle changed him because Edward's mother asked him to on her death bed). 16:30 Ahh... Inviting minors to the drinking par... Oh wait they all are minors in US, nevermind. 18:15 He actually is - he is known for his love of bear blood. 19:40 Rosalie also is one of the only two Cullen members who never drunk human blood (even when she was having her revenge, she refused to taste their blood, the attack being her last memory of human life, probably helped her with staying grounded, similar to how Carlisle's religious beliefs help him to stay sober). Oh and because of how proud she is as a person and who she was and who she wanted to be - her and Jasper use her original last name, to make it more ok for them to officially date other step-siblings. Really wish that, if we ever get a continuation to the story or a prequel - that it would be for Rosalie. Even if Meyer is kinda far from her fandom needs, and actually spoken about making books for some random characters instead. 23:15 This line from Jacob about working together sounds so evil for me after reading so many Jedward fanfics... A cynical joke on Bella's expense, about Jacob smashing her fiancé in secret. I can't unsee it anymore. F 32:14 Her reasoning is that newborns usually are mindless machines only thinking about blood. 36:30 They really should have just ditched Bella and be together. Would be much better story and at least we wouldn't have the creepy thing in the last book.

[@malakabuzaid5854]

If you guys didn't notice Victoria in this movie was played by the brilliant Bryce Dallas Howard

[@magggmae]

She is so underrated

[@aranza3504]

“He’s always rock hard” I DIED

[@AnxietyRat]

We need to tell them about the venom penis. They need to know. Lmaooo

[@aranza3504]

@@AnxietyRat NOOOOOOO NOT THE VENOM PENIS 💀

[@nsta5796]

So happy to see this come out and hope it's a sign that your healths are improving! Thanks for being so open with and providing entertainment for your audience. Wishing you boys well

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much! Definitely improving 😊 no worries, honesty usually works out pretty well 😋 - Sam

[@trinityvalley5161]

I was waiting for the “ kiss me” scene. I remember watching it and my face just got suck in cringe 😬

[@bayliegates5319]

New subscriber and I’ve watched every video twice. You both are a huge comfort right now. Hope everything is going well

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much! Glad we could be here for you 😊- Sam

[@kitsulu8576]

All the vampires just hold a party in Bella's room and sniff her clothes like wh!ppets 😂

[@samm_fer]

"What is it, Phoebe ?" I'm so here for the Charmed references

[@maxiemus5]

Stephanie Meyers is low key racist, she didn’t want any black/diverse actors cast as any character (except the werewolves for obvious reasons, and even then some of the actors are white), and the only reason she was ok with Laurent being black is because he was one of the villain characters. And you can see breadcrumbs of her racism in the fact that she had Jasper fight for the confederate army and no other character questions it.

[@ninibear]

Yes I hate that so much, I love twilight but I do not like her whatsoever

[@Lanzey]

Wow really? That’s fucked up.

[@PureeTauruss]

I don’t get it. As a black person, we’re pretty awesome and just love to have fun and be lit yet we’re the most hated race 🥺 something I will never understand

[@cee3poh888]

Right, it's not like Jasper was a real person who really was a soldier for the confederacy... it was a conscious choice. I wonder what it would have been like in the 50s or 50s whenever he met Alice. Was he super racist? Did Alice change him? Or is he still and the rest of the family doesn't see it as an issue ? It would have been easy to make jasper a likeable character fought for the north end of story but noooo.

[@animalmania2381]

​@@cee3poh888 I always forget which side Jasper fought, I just remember that he was in the civil war. He's such an interesting character but, because the books/films brush over the implications of which side he fought for, I think those of us that aren't directly effected by it don't think about it. I'd like to think that it's something he has over come (or being a vampire has given him a new perspective) but since we don't really see him interact with people of colour (outside of vampires and werewolves) we'll never really know.

[@subtlesraf]

im living for your love for charlie, carlisle and billy. especially the dad squad meeting moment, made my day

[@Musicluvr4]

Hope you guys are feeling better because you were missed! ❤️ (also my Chipotle just got here so perfect time, tbh)

[@themoviebud1988]

Definitely improving, thanks 😊 nice timing haha - Sam

[@SoapyTurtles]

Ayeee, I'm about to watch this and eat my leftover Chipotle from last night.

[@Musicluvr4]

@@SoapyTurtles Burrito bowls and Budz are an immaculate combo 🥳

[@MegaDnote]

stumbled across your vids, and only are now realizing your guys are a small channel!! love it we got some big channel energy here 😤

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much! We’re getting there haha 😋 - Sam

[@unicornkhan3792]

Seeing back stories of other characters just shows most of them could have had such interesting movies. Like Rosalie!

[@tpeyton2848]

As someone who loved twilight as a pre-teen, I definitely knew these ppl were crazy but I excused it cause they were supernatural beings hahhaha

[@E_btsot798]

To me Jacob got so aggressive in the begining because he was still getting used to the overbearing emotions of the wearwolf

[@noelbernabe8704]

I think people sometimes overlook that when they complain about Jacobs change in attitude. The explanation is right there in the story, yet so many people miss it.

[@kittykatjagirl]

You know, I saw Eclipse in theaters opening night. It was sold out, I was young, I don’t regret it that experience. But when Jacob explained how Bella hurt her hand, the entire theatre IRRUPTED with laughter. The movie itself was making fun of how weak Bella really was and we were just DYING between each pause in dialogue.

[@sistermadrigalmorning233]

In the book it says the wolves figured out how to pin shorts to their fur so they'll have shorts to throw on when they transform. I still say he's stuck at 17, but not like he can't reason or change-- just he can only do so as a 17 year old can. That's why he's perpetually angsty. But a 17 year old can learn oh, that stupid decision I made before was stupid and I shouldn't do that again, and thus so can Edward. (But this is why you can't turn children, which is addressed in the books, since if they throw a tantrum they murder villages).

[@janeldavis905]

You've obviously read the books, so would you mind explaining something to me? Was the Jacob and Bella story different in the books? Like, was Jacob actually nice? Did Bella actually show some legitimate interest (you know, before the "I'm asking you to kiss me" part)? I only saw the movies once, and it was years ago, but watching these reactions there are moments where I can almost see how great Jacob could've been if they'd just gone in a different direction with how things were blocked out and how lines were delivered, you know? Also, the actors have _zero_ chemistry, so there's no indication that she's ever been the slightest bit interested in him. I forgot that she kisses him, and I was really surprised when it happened here! I was all, "Wait... she _is_ into him? When did that happen?" Anyway, was there actually something worth rooting for in the books? Thanks!

[@sistermadrigalmorning233]

@@janeldavis905 she's not *really* ever into him, no. The whole "Team Edward or Team Jacob" thing was purely a movie PR campaign, in the books it was clear that she was always Team Edward. But the books, especially Eclipse, does explore the realisation that if she'd never met Edward, she'd have ended up with Jacob. That's referenced in the movie but not well. But basically she realizes if the Cullen's had never come to Forks and she'd never met Edward, she would have totally fallen for Jacob. But because she met Edward first she was done-- honestly there's a lot of fate and meant to be stuff though. There's an idea that the reason Bella has no idea of self preservation, is so clumsy, can smell blood, and a lot of other stuff is because she was always meant to be a vampire, thus is not good at being human. A lot of criticisms of Bella as a character that people make and try to make fun of Meyer for are intentional choices to show she's not a good human-- but will be an excellent vampire.

[@janeldavis905]

@@sistermadrigalmorning233 Thanks for explaining! Those character traits of Bella's were not shown well in the movies--I didn't even catch on to most of them--so her "I was always meant to be a vampire" thing really did seem to come out of nowhere. It's always a shame when movies can't capture all the subtleties of beloved books, isn't it? I could write essays on how many subtle things didn't make it into the Harry Potter movies, and how the story suffered because of it! Also, if that was just a PR stunt, then that marketing team killed it! I'm seriously impressed. Anyway, thanks again for explaining 😁

[@sistermadrigalmorning233]

@@janeldavis905 also a potterhead and I agree! So much left out! :)

[@lbierman21]

He's not old school. He's just OLD.---hahaha Sam that was too Damn good

[@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH]

The music in these series are GENUINELY great! And the cast/crew (who didn’t like the series) got to pick a lot of it.

[@arianaking2310]

Omg, y'all posted when my pizza got here! Nice! The testies, testies at the beginning was hilarious. 😂

[@themoviebud1988]

Perfect timing! Thanks haha, we make mature jokes here 😂 - Sam

[@freyjanj]

I loved the graduation speech.

[@LindsayComitoYeah]

You guys need to teach a human decency class because you dudes are seriously top notch!

[@stella-fv8yo]

IM SO EXCITED. and i hope y’all are doing well and remember us fans want what’s best for yall so take breaks whenever you think y’all need! lots of love!!

[@themoviebud1988]

Thank you so much! We’re improving 😋 - Sam

[@rw7371]

He’s old school. He’s old. He built the school. WHEN I TELL YOU I SCREAMED😭

[@chloe1-2-3-4-5]

Hey guys! Really good to see this upload - your Twilight reactions are excellent and make me drop everything. But, and I don't mean to speak out of turn here, please don't be afraid to prioritise your health. Burnout is real and I promise I'll watch the next video asap whether it comes out next week or next month. Stay safe, buds.

[@waynequashie1338]

Awesome!!!! They went back to that pic where Damien Lillard gives the cold, confident, murderous stare directly into the camera like, "Yup!!!! Y'all already know what time it is, for it's Dame Time!!!!", while sitting with his Portland team.🤣

[@fkw1239]

You guys are the reason why i rewatch it again

[@themoviebud1988]

Glad you’re enjoying it! - Sam

[@sandrawohlden]

“he’s always rock hard” ISHDKAHDLANSKABD

[@T7Karou]

Jacob and Alice story is really sweet, I love that couple and how the actors' did their role. Blond family member's backstory was really sad and the fact that she just doesn't want others to become vampires so they can have another type of future is really nice. Carlisle is another amazing character as well, he really started his own family, the vegetarian diet and want to help other so much he is still a doctor. Victoria and Laurent were pretty cool villains. The vulturi are an incredible element as well. Overall: Sthepanie Meyer had the ideas but not the skill nor the talent to know which ones were the actual good ideas. The same happened with her other book, The Host 🤦‍♀️ One really wishes to buy the content and give it to someone else to develope

[@taznoble3571]

"Victoria has another secret" XD !!!!!!!!!

[@missusdr]

Glad you guys are feeling well! I'm completely living for the faces of amazed disgust on this one... haha. And I'm sure they'll be even more interesting in the next two movies. Also still love that you guys are so aware of the very problematic relationships from all points of the triangle; I never think they can get worse, and then they do...and from a slightly older perspective it's just horrible. I was pretty angry at all of them at different times during this movie; Jacob's main redeeming moment for me was just physically keeping Bella alive, despite the Survival 101 comment. Hopefully the fighting was at least entertaining for you. P.S. great shirt, Stef! Hey Abbey Arnold!!

[@themoviebud1988]

We're improving, for sure 😊. I would agree with you on that one about him in this movie but, even then that's kind of annoying cause it gives some people an excuse to justify his other behaviours 🤦‍♂️ I'm honestly enjoying these movies, I just also see the problem. Thanks so much for your support! - Sam

[@missusdr]

@@themoviebud1988 Yeah, I know...he should've just warmed her up in wolf form... though I'm sure he would've still found a way to be creepy about it. :P

[@julena399]

Actually refreshed the page a few times while waiting... Yep, that's what it has come to... Love you budz!

[@themoviebud1988]

Haha, soz. Good thing we’re here now 😋 - Sam

[@julena399]

@@themoviebud1988 yaaaas! Take care! And thanks for all the super entertaining content ;)

[@Mythicalindividual]

I am binging your videos during my resting time and I got excited for Seth when he showed up! He is a cinnamon roll! lol ✨ fave character!

[@noni5961]

You guys are terrible 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I can’t even. “He was there before school was built” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@danirachbarro]

Well how fortunate am I to be awake at 2am when this drops. Haha Love you guys!!

[@themoviebud1988]

Sorry bout the timing 😂 - Sam

[@TriceeXO]

Lmao the vampire sensing Charlie’s wholesomeness 😂

[@lizzygrant02]

So happy to see you guys well and back!!❤️

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much! - Sam

[@stsimmer3360]

I’ve never realized the amount of times Edwards eye changes lmao. I also hope you guys are feeling better now!

[@AnxietyRat]

Happens all the time in the book. So it makes sense they'd do it for the movie as well. Like EVERYTIME Bella sees Edward she mentions what colour his eyes are.

[@videohistory722]

21:03 and she got her wish! She played Cinderella in Into the Woods

[@Veronica-ig7xq]

YES MY DUDES ARE BACK! SO GLAD TO SEE YOU GUYS’ CHANNEL GROWING, BEEN HERE SINCE THE EARLY DAYS OF YOUR CHANNEL. HOPE BOTH OF YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND FEELING WELL!! x

[@themoviebud1988]

Thanks so much for your continued support! We’re improving all the time 😊 - Sam