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[@icedcapplord710]

Forever envious that Batman is like the one comic book character that attracts like all these prestige filmmakers and awards-worthy actors, and talent while I have to deal with X-Men directed by abusers and Sony thinking a Kraven movie is box office gold

[@AJ-xc4qe]

In addition, Batman is owned by a company that’s made a reputation for themselves by ruining anything they own no matter how popular the IP is. And is actively influencing other companies to be as awful as they are like making it impossible for projects to be legally available to watch! Btw, I personally don’t care about The Batman universe, at least not now.

[@liampugh]

Batman has a real world "groundedness" that nearly every other superhero lacks. I know that's not always the case from adaptation to adaptation, but I think it's pretty easy to see why filmmakers like burton, nolan, and reeves gravitate towards that instead of flying men fighting big purple aliens. Regardless, I'm pumped to see Gunn do the opposite after the reeves films are done.

[@hunterfogleman7443]

@@liampughI think Daredevil has captured this quite well though we haven’t seen much of the rogues gallery.

[@liampugh]

@@hunterfogleman7443 yeah he's definitely due for a more "prestige" adaptation. Off the top of my head, I think David Fincher could do an amazing job.

[@MelMelodyWerner]

a good Kraven movie could absolutely be box office gold. ditto with Morbius, in fact. the logic of, "we have all of these amazing villains, let's do their own stories starring them" is not unsound. it is easy to picture a good or great Morbius film that's a neo-Gothic tragedy; Dracula, but it's grounded in (a fictional understanding of) science. the problem is not the characters, it is that there is no interesting vision for them.

[@NamekJedi]

Episode 1 kinda floored me. Very locked in for the rest of the season.

[@ProdLucio]

Facts

[@Alpha23TV]

Same. It’s because they focus on characters… real people that are highly relatable… even if they are exaggerated. They still operate within the boundaries of standard motivation. What was Rey’s motivation in SW? Don’t worry I’ll wait… What was OSHA’s motivation in Acolyte? Again, I’ll wait. Penguin wants respect… simple. Who can’t relate to that?

[@jaylenjayden9305]

Same

[@rajimus]

@@Alpha23TV incel go 5 minutes without mentioning women from starwars challenge.

[@Alpha23TV]

@@rajimus LMAO… *Incel* calls me an incel because it’s the most recent thing anyone’s called “him/her”. I know this will be hard to process for you, *but* women and I have a physical and mental understanding which allows us to share ideas and bodily fluids freely, my channel will dispel ANY notions to the contrary. Now, childish insults aside (nice try tho), the point still holds. RoP & Acolyte had s**t characters. Enjoy the copium. I heard it goes great with a side of bitterness and a splash of cognitive dissonance…

[@MisterPrince01]

I fully agree with you. He just feels "real." Like a real person. Not some caricature. And even tho he's a scumbag, he's strangely endearing and you want to see him succeed. It's really well done.

[@clanwaddell5628]

It's nature verse nurture. He came from a hard life, his mom seems to be a little nutty, he got into a life of crime. But his fantasy was helping the neighborhood and having a parade when he dies. He has different sides to himself, the music he listens to, what he likes, what he doesn't like. This is an amusing start to this show.

[@trescohen8232]

That line that alberto says in the beginning. About liking the penguin cause without a doubt he will always be him. Like yea hes a conniving, backstabbing, terrible scumbag. But through his actions and the way he talks hes always so obvious about it that its sort of endearing in a weird way. He really isnt beholden to social stigmas as much as the rest of us. Oz is consistently always himself and its really endearing because of it.

[@mattblom3990]

It's surreal. You know it's just a character but it feels like a real person. It's because Ferrall is all in. Non verbal acting, movements, the limp, it's all there and he never breaks character even when the camera is focused elsewhere.

[@eastvandb]

Oh, and for me, as a non-New Yorker who sees Gotham as being it's own world, I had no problem with the rich/poor difference in the flooding. To me, it echoed post-Katrina New Orleans.

[@Tuaron]

Yeah, that was the parallel I was getting, trying to emphasize that "the rich usually come out on top and the poor suffer".

[@naeemdouglas_]

Gotham City is not an actual place or proxy for New York. The rich people live wherever the creators say and helps the story.

[@Robin0928]

Yeah, I feel like Penguin treats Gotham as geographically New York but architecturally/economically New Orleans, in terms of how the flooding worked at least

[@TheThunderbirdRising]

This is why I hate the whole "Gotham is in New Jersey" thing. If DC is gonna have Metropolis and Gotham and Central City and Star City and Bludhaven and all these other made up big cities, you've gotta divorce the whole thing from any kind of actual US geography. Or else you get into this whole thing of "well these cities are stand ins for actual cities, but also the actual cities still exist because you can't just not have NYC and San Francisco" and the entire thing just falls apart because now Metropolis and Gotham are sisters cities in New York and NJ that have to exist right next to NYC and Newark somehow, unless they *are* NYC and Newark in a way, and you see what I mean. Gotham is a city that exists somewhere in America, and there are low income neighborhoods that exist between the waterfront and the major central square, and trying to figure out anything beyond that is a fool's errand both for writers and for fans

[@eastvandb]

@@TheThunderbirdRising Yup.

[@poisonharley]

Can’t wait for more Sofia Falcone. It wouldn’t surprise me if Cristin Milioti got some award noms for her performance as well because she’s killing it. It’s a quiet bubbling rage and insanity played with nuance and subtlety that we haven’t seen in a live action villain in some time

[@inqui5ition]

Seriously. She fucking carried tgis episode so hard for me

[@munohlow]

From what I’ve seen of Milioti and what was shown in trailers, I was still really caught off guard by how intense she is. I’m most excited to see where her character goes

[@LouisLitt369]

She's doing everything the award shows lol. I'd be surprised if she doesn't get nominated and win.

[@Alpha23TV]

The way she has that lazy eye and that 1000 yard stare is beyond dialog. She is *nailing* her role.

[@RickReasonnz]

Yeah... I would be doing anything to get away from those crazy eyes! Portrays a psycho killer that you really, REALLY do not want to mess with.

[@bensneb360]

Probably one of the best body prosthetics special effects I’ve ever seen, it’s so seamless

[@ANTIStraussian]

It better be he has to sit there for 5 hours like an actor becoming a Klingon or Cardassian.

[@patkohler9695]

There has never been a bad live action penguin.

[@kadegetslaid634]

Yes there has 😭 Danny devito

[@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb]

​@@kadegetslaid634 DONT....YOU....DARE 😂

[@joebond545]

​@@kadegetslaid634 shut up

[@joebond545]

Robin Taylor is still the best as of now

[@KillaD69]

​@@kadegetslaid634shut the f*ck up. Danny Devito was the BEST Penguin

[@Dillydally1782]

This show could lead to a "realistic" bane? There's the talk of making the drops stronger/different. Perhaps this leads to the venom drug and subsequently bane

[@ProdLucio]

Cook🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@kadegetslaid634]

There's a difference between realistic and grounded, we don't need to be realistic we just need to ground the fantasy aspects, bane would work great

[@randallflagg3700]

We did get a "realistic" Bane in 2019, in the 5th season of the show *Gotham* played by Shane West... and since so far, "The Penguin" is super cool, but it also feels like *Gotham* season 1 all over again. The Falcone crime family vs the Maroni crime family, with Oswald Cobblepot's rise to power (played fantastically by Robin Lord Taylor, the break-out star of the show alongside Cameron Monaghan as that universe's "Mr J") from lowly umbrella boy to the biggest crime boss in Gotham City, get his own sidekicks, have a deep connection with his mother, partners up in a weird way with Sal Maroni (played to perfectly by my man David Zayas) and Sofia Falcone (played by Crystal Reed in *Gotham* ) shows up and become a thorne in his side... He also became Mayor of Gotham City at some point in *"Gotham"* and since I want this new badass show to have different plot points than what Penguin did in the previous one, I kinda hope for different stuff.

[@CaptainRockoBD]

@@randallflagg3700this feels nothing like Gotham. Gotham was insufferable…

[@RyanHaha101]

@@randallflagg3700I think Gotham had some elements that were solid, but I think what will set this too apart is the writing. No disrespect to the Gotham writers, but this writing feels very strong already and a bit of a hard left from Gotham’s fun, but sometimes tongue-in-cheek silliness. This feels more like an actual crime drama rather than a comic book show.

[@KindlyCryptid]

The dialogue is what really stood out to me; the set is immaculate and the casting is perfect (so excited for more Sofia), but damn the writing really sings

[@derrickb27]

The dialog and writing is phenomenal, but I want you to go back and watch Colin Farrell's physical acting. His facial expressions under all that latex. That guy's deserves an Emmy and/or a Golden Globe just from that alone.

[@IZA_Grey]

I'm from New York and they nailed the accents. The cast convincingly portrays people from the NY/NJ area.

[@mattrandazzo5491]

I agree but Do u think a fictional place like Gotham should just have accents straight from New York though

[@IZA_Grey]

@@mattrandazzo5491 I don't understand why you're asking me this

[@LouisLitt369]

They have Jersey accents as well as Gotham is inspired by both places​@@mattrandazzo5491

[@JohnMuhammad-mg5wp]

@@IZA_Greycause you said your from ny? He just wants your opinion it’s not that deep

[@IZA_Grey]

@@JohnMuhammad-mg5wp I'm just saying the accents are accurate

[@willjackson5885]

I was surprised this week. I had no expectations for The Penguin or Agatha, but both seem great so far

[@liampugh]

Im waiting for Agatha to be atleast 4 or 5 episodes in before I give it a shot. I haven't forgotten how bad marvel burned us with episode 3 of Wanda Vision. Glad to hear people are liking it so far tho.

[@Tuaron]

@@liampugh Episode 3 of WandaVision was fine. It wasn't until near the end that it really messed up substantially.

[@mildhoof]

@@Tuaron It never messed up substantially, that's an exaggeration

[@liampugh]

@@Tuaron You're not wrong, it was ok. Not nearly as bad as the last episode. But they did ruin all the mystery and suspense set up in the first two episodes which were incredible and more similar to art house cinema then a superhero drama. My mistake was assuming the extremely high-quality level would continue throughout the series. But nah, Disney thinks very little of the audience and had to explain all the mystery away by introducing the two walking exposition dumps that were Darcy and Randall parks character.

[@KingRusso1990]

​@@mildhoofturning Quicksilver into a boner joke. Yea no, Wandavision ended up substantially bad after that, dumbest shit I've ever seen

[@AntonVonUber]

To make "Cobblepot" make more sense, they should make it a Liberty Island immigration name change situation, like with his (Italian?) ancestors being named Capopazzo ("crazy head" in Italian) and changing it to "Cobblepot" to Americanize the sound.

[@AntonVonUber]

Also, as a side note, his younger friend's last name, Aguilar, relates to the word for "eagle" in Spanish, so we have penguins, eagles, and falcons (the Falcones). A flock of birds, versus the Bat.

[@randallflagg3700]

It was a bit like that in the show *Gotham* , in which Cobblepot was an americanized version of his real family name (from his mother's side), Kapelput.

[@crealiv]

Reeves, LeFranc and co absolutely cooked with this whole episode but there's one tiny detail that i LOVED: Right at the beginning, the newscaster voiceover mentions that Riddler's bombs pretty much decimated the city's lower class neighborhoods but left the wealthy suburbs relatively untouched. Riddler's whole ethos was his anger at being left behind by the system and the corrupt elite running Gotham, but in his desperate desire for *vengeance* all he did was hurt and ruin the lives of people just like him. People who were struggling to get by, people who the system left behind too. Pitch perfect tragic irony. Maybe i'm just "why are the curtains blue"-ing here, but I love that it's been 2 whole years since the movie dropped and we're STILL getting more thematic payoff of Batman and Riddler mirroring each other!! It was already pretty clear in the film (see the riddler goon's "im vengeance" moment in the climax) but the fact that the show keeps it involved makes it feel more connected to its parent film than most cinematic universe stuff we're getting nowadays.

[@akshayde]

The riddler was about to flood the whole city and he also doesn't like the poor people.. For him it's all filth. Cuz he isn't exactly from a neighborhood. He is an orphan from an abandoned orphanage so it's not like he is some Robinhood character looking out for his people. He has no people. Also I am sure the flooding killed a lot of rich folks too, especially those that were in the stadium. But yes everyone who lives uptop isn't affected. I think he just wanted to damage the city, it wasn't directed at specific places. Also it could be that the rich people could pay to have the water damage fixed quickly while the city is being beurocratic in their spending about cleaning up the poor neighborhoods

[@vassilyvodka2638]

You nailed the most important part of continuity, which is consequences of the last film carrying to the next piece

[@Permafrost1]

NoNo, your thoughts are extremely on point, I have noticed that too and you are the first person ive seen mention it too Incredible detail that I unfortunately lack the vocabulary to make it justice lol but im glad people notice it

[@michaelpopely4408]

The Penguin AKA The Many Saints of Gotham

[@domesticmh4567]

THE PENGUIN SWEEEEEEEP

[@amandadeloff4278]

The show is clearly a lock for a makeup emmy. Wouldnt be surprised if they won the hairstyle emmy. Maybe costume? Is a full-body fat suit considered a costume or makeup?

[@Alpha23TV]

Makeup

[@CMWinter]

The best part about him seeming the "underdog" so early, is that Collin Farrell himself has said in interviews, just you wait until the end, you won't be rooting for him anymore.

[@kfactor20]

I guess that’s a good thing bc then we’ll want Batman to come in and beat his ass lol

[@godzillamaster34]

I have a strong feeling he’s going to throw all of his allies to the dogs to make it to the top.

[@ttm77777]

michael giacchino also directed marvels werewolf by night!

[@ProdLucio]

Amazing film

[@MrKyGuy]

11:24 I legit thought Michael wanted to be credited in this show as “Mick” to sound more gangster, then I went down a rabbit hole and realized it was his son! 😂

[@khylechristianderosales1894]

LMAOO

[@mydreaminorbit9297]

I love how Oz was playing everyone. From Alberto to Sophia to Sal. He isn't just some goof with a mean streak. I almost want to root for him yet I can't because of morals and what not. This show has started off very strong.

[@randallflagg3700]

I really got some big *Gotham* (especially season 1) vibes from that first episode indeed... Oswald Cobblepot, the ultimate underdog, going from lowly umbrella boy to... "something else", while trying to juggle with Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroni's crime families... In *Gotham* he did screw up here and there, because Falcone and Maroni (played perfectly by John Doman & David Zayas, who funnily enough already had a rivalry as totally different characters in the HBO show *"Oz"* back in the old days) are no fools and, well, trying not to spoil it too much in case some Batman fans who missed that show feel like binging it while waiting for more episodes of *"The Penguin"* to come out, but Colin Farrell's incarnation of Oswald has so much in common with Robin Lord Taylor's, who was the breakout star of the show alongside Cameron Monaghan as "Mr J"... His rise to power during the 5 seasons that *Gotham* lasted was far from a cakewalk, dude got taken down, got back up again, got taken down again, etc etc... and you never really knew for sure how much Penguin, much like Farrell's incarnation in this new universe, was letting himself get taken down on purpose (like with the Sofia Falcone torture in the first episode) until the resolution of the conflict. I also wanted to root for him in *Gotham* because of his circumstances, having to take care of his sick mother (something else that is similar in the new show) and knowing that most of the people Oz took down were also monsters in their own rights, plus RLT's Oswald also had "sidekicks" and in his discussions with them, you saw a different face than the one he shows in public. And it makes us feel like "well, organised crime isn't going anywhere, so might as well have someone like Penguin running it rather than even more disturbing individuals", but Oswald also comits various crimes that make it hard to root for the dude. Can't wait to see more, that's for sure... between this show, plus the 4th season of *"Superman & Lois"* and *"Joker 2: Folie à Deux"* coming out next month, it's a good time to be a DC fan ^^ (and that's just the live action stuff, we got plenty of very interesting animated movies/shows coming out soon)

[@eastsidereviews727]

Also that scene of Oz' messed up foot, genuinely made me sick, like bruh that was a lot 😂

[@AmusedCoffee-ym3gb]

😂 I saw a reaction channel today said his toes are throwing up gang signs. 😂 it gave me a good laugh

[@Alehigh4L]

It’s to show his hobble

[@Whatneeds2bsaid]

On the flooding: I don't think this Gotham is modeled after NYC today. I think it's more NYC of the 70s/80s during the subway graffiti era and the crack epidemic. Parts of Manhattan have always been rich, but back then there were definitely some seedy spots. (Like when Times Square used to have p*rn theaters)

[@kazumahazeuzumaki]

Times Square hasn't been the same since we lost the stag shops. Such a shame.

[@JdeMolay]

Yeah I miss those

[@cartoonsandcannabis]

Yeah before the Disneyficafion of Times Square it used to be wild glad I got to soak up its seediness coming in from LI

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

In behind the scenes snippets they said this directly they were going for the dilapidated 70s nyc look

[@sangera]

I thought Nando was going to say, "I want to have sympathy for these people, but they're rich."

[@ryanlovelock3024]

Regarding your nitpick, I think this is a time where it's important to distinguish Gotham from Manhattan. As you said, Gotham is jersey, not Manhattan. In Gotham, the poor people live in the cramped downtown area, while the Rich live in their mansions outside of the city. I believe the show said the mansions were spared from the flooding not that the flooding have been repaired if I'm not mistaken.

[@carlosdavila3442]

lol, so the nerdy NYer in me needed to clarify. For me it actually made perfect sense how it was portrayed. For example, 34th street could be flooded, but everything above Central Park [upper west and east side, Harlem, Bronx, etc ] would be fine, as would most of Brooklyn lol

[@Willbot978]

its important to remember Gotham is not New York, it is a different city with a different layout and wealth typically don't live in in the densely populated areas.

[@slackstarfish8133]

This is THE best comic book universe portrayal and it’s not even close. Everything feels so real. Everytime any of these characters on screen whether it’s Batman or the penguin, you’re just captivated.

[@TheMikeshow_]

Loved this first episode. The acting, writing, cinematography every last detail was perfect. Can’t wait to see how this story unfolds! DC IS BACK

[@TheAntiburglar]

Having not seen this show yet and listening to you describe your nitpick about geography, and being a native Brooklyn-ite, I actually laughed out loud trying to imagine how that flood pattern could have possible worked out XD

[@MisterS.]

I clapped when he penguined

[@360.Tapestry]

colin farrell is playing the kind of antihero people want to watch that tom hardy thought he was getting with venom

[@kadegetslaid634]

Penguin isn't an anti hero tho? He's just a straight up villian, he wants power

[@eastvandb]

This one totally won me over, and I was another one who didn't like the idea of another massive prosthetic/padding role. But, no, they've got something strong going on, and an interesting class struggle angle.

[@rentless666]

Feels like a mix between the Sopranos, Scarface and Breaking Bad. And I can live with that.

[@mademedothis424]

Not enough people are calling out the Breaking Bad connection, but there are so many scenes here right out of their playbook. If all the tense implied violence doesn't tickle that spot, surely the compounding lies perpetuated by that dramatic resolution at the end does.

[@Hobodeluxe007]

good review. agreed with all your points. I felt it was a little like a "Penguin finding his Robin" story.

[@iluvdrakeandjosh]

For Cobblepot i think thats saying that in universe Cobblepot is an old money name. I think by the end hes gonna take on that last name as a kind of facade.

[@akshayde]

Nando: I wish I could remember a character with glasses in pop culture Me: Clark..... Kent?

[@jthomas6080]

I believe Nando was being sarcastic.

[@akshayde]

@@jthomas6080 I thought so too.. But the sarcasm didn't land clearly or maybe if just slipped his brain.

[@The_Phantasm]

Colin Farrell really loses himself in the role and while it's still a bit too "Italian mafia" inspired for me, I think this has potential to be my second favourite live-action Penguin. Even though I prefer the more modern shady businessman Penguin in terms of writing, when it comes to performance and mannerisms I will always think of Burgess Meredith. Sorry Tim Burton fans, but sewer dwelling deformed monstrous Penguin will never be for me.

[@sundrelstriker7513]

I mean..........the families are largely italian and Irish crime families......sooo

[@jamescanning3008]

Your opinion sucks man

[@antipop1717]

you forgot that gotham is a fictional place

[@tristanlee8495]

Strangely enough my favourite part of the episode was the way Victor was so utterly terrified that he was basically unable to speak properly. It felt so raw and unique compared to how TV normally shows that kind of thing.

[@danielwright3929]

He clearly has a speech impediment. That is why Oz didn’t kill him.

[@IHamilton9320]

I wasn’t entirely sold on their partnership but he did a great job in that scene. Was surprised to see people saying he has a speech impediment, wasn’t he just afraid? Maybe I didn’t notice in other lines

[@tristanlee8495]

@@IHamilton9320 Maybe it was a speech impediment but it seemed to go away after Oz decided not to shoot him so I definitely got fear not speech impediment.

[@IHamilton9320]

@@tristanlee8495 thank youuuuu I’m glad I’m not the only one. Just seemed like really good acting to me. I think the show is only going to get better as it goes

[@Day-ZDuke]

@@tristanlee8495oftentimes a minor speech impediment will only be exhibited when the person is distressed. And I believe it was intended as a speech impediment as a means for Penguin to relate / empathize with the kid and leads to him sparing his life

[@blumpth]

Listen I watch anything and everything Batman related whether I enjoy it or not, but finishing that first episode I went: oh this is something I can actually recommend to my friends.

[@ZachCook1397]

I saw a video about episode one that mentioned changing the name to Cobb could be part of making him working class instead of an aristocrat. Since you could see "in universe" Oz's grandparents/great grandparents immigrating and changing the name to Cobb to better fit in or having the name changed for them on Ellis Island. Don't know how much I agree with it but an interesting take.

[@theshysamurai]

The news displays a map of gotham and the explosion sites in the opening of the show

[@masterzombie161]

I love how Oz’s monologue is incorporated into his actions in this show. Rex died with no regrets and was loved by everyone. Falcone and Maroni only ruled based on fear and now died with regrets or in prison. Oz wants to use Rex’s way to get what he wants and he already planted the seeds to grow. I cannot wait to see how it all plays out.

[@thephony1651]

The Penguin does sweep but Agatha is also soaring on her broom

[@nugget3687]

A good dc and a good marvel show happening at the same time? How lucky are we

[@Carebear-g]

Soaring from the heights of marvel into the gutter

[@deantzu]

@@nugget3687wait agatha's good?

[@joebond545]

​@deantzu yeah it's pretty good, not wandavision level good but it's good fun. I'll definitely keep watching it after not expecting to make it past episode 1 put it that way

[@danielwright3929]

Agatha is trash. I couldn’t stop rolling my eyes and sighing at all the terrible writing.

[@rosecity_chris]

Gotta be real, love what reeves elseworld is doing over the joker films. It still leaves room for the dcu to do the more fantastical batman stuff.

[@discobassgroove]

Like this comment if Nando needs to watch The Sopranos

[@TonyB2279]

Aren't "the docks" generally portrayed as a kind of rundown, crime-ridden area in the movies? And wouldn't that be around the area where the flooding would've started? Are there no residential areas near the docks in NYC?

[@colleenross8752]

If Penguin was in the Nolan Trilogy, he would look just like this

[@vishalvenkat6]

This is the first time I've reallt felt that a TV show for a super hero movie universe is warranted and is done well to expand our understanding of Gotham. Other shows, reference events from movies and don't delve too much into the repercussions of certain events but this show is so connected to the Batman, I love it. This is what I always wanted TV shows to be in a comic book universe.

[@leeball4]

Gotham is in Jersey, but South not North. It's just west of Cape May across Delaware Bay from Metropolis (real world Dover, DE). Not far from where Bruce Willis is from. And there were a fair bit of Italian mobsters back in the day in South Jersey. But, yeah, I totally get where you're coming from.

[@eastsidereviews727]

Colin Farrell kills this role ans this version of Oz/Penguin. Guy steals every scene he's in the movie and was the best part of the movie and man if this series lives up to this first episode we will have a modern classic. Not just for DC media but potentially for HBO ad well and that is high praise!

[@bobojo6447]

I would love to see his new drug shipment be intervened by the Batman. Portray him as just this force of nature who couldn’t be stopped and set the mob back

[@phattiger1506]

It was everything i hoped it would be so far, other than the really immersion breaking car chase cgi.

[@rosebomb]

I don't envy Jame Gunn's position with The Batman being as popular as it was but not at all fitting into his vision for the next DC universe, so now he's basically forced to talk about the multiverse

[@dive107]

The Penguin and Agatha All Along feel kind of like Andor. Why are we making this when we have Boba Fett and Obi Wan Kenobi? Because it's fantastic, that's why.

[@Alpha23TV]

I said the same thing… the focus on *characters* is the thing that all of these have in common. Not some world ending event… just… people

[@Splorguss]

The train scene got a laugh out of me, it seemed so real

[@tylerbrown5526]

I love how this show still feels like it's part of The Batman universe but firmly from Oz's perspective. The soundtrack of music Oz listens to goes a long way too.

[@chanceycakes]

If you like Penguin you should watch Barry. Anthony Carrigan absolutely dominates that show 😂

[@barneymiller4088]

Batman had been strange in that the villains have always been more interesting than the heroes. It just seems weird to have shows just about the villains.

[@michaelmarcano9200]

Hey where are you from? I'm from Jersey City......makes sense it's also Gotham lol!

[@Joenah5]

I can't wait to start it. I feel like you should watch Gotham, because there's a lot there that reminds me of that Penguin (who's one of the main characters of the show). Obviously, I haven't seen this show yet, so I'm sure it's very different in some areas, but there are some other things you said that almost feel inspired by Gotham

[@sketchyjeff2054]

Nando do you watch the venture bros

[@zenquantum1246]

Up until “The Dark Knight Rises” in 2012 Gotham in both comics and movies always appeared to me to be a stand-in for Chicago (sometimes blended with Detroit). Making Penguin so very Jersey is great, though

[@steveschenker1380]

Dude... you need to continue The Sopranos. I am actually a little shocked you haven't seen more than 1 episode! At least finish Season 1!

[@BrendanCescon]

Mr. Diamond Sparkle would be a helluva villain

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

The difference between The Penguin and Agatha is that The Penguin is actually a good show

[@thepopeisnotawarcriminal]

@PieroMinayaRojas I personally like Agatha so far; but The Penguin is leagues beyond it. I wouldn’t call either a “bad” show, per se, but I can see where you’re coming from.

[@stevencooper564]

Wooooo! Woodbury boy here, absolutely love seeing even a little bit of Jersey representation. Had no clue that Cristin Miloti was from Cherry Hill, I used to go to the mall there all the time. Edit: After finishing it, I'm very curious to see if they turn Victor into Zsasz. His origin is tied to Penguin in the comics, and Victor definitely showed some knowledge of anatomy and some level of disturbance when talking about how best to carve up Alberto.

[@andrewklang809]

Clayface seems like a pretty expensive character for live-action TV. Zaslav no likey.

[@Infinite_Ethan_03]

Clayface was originally a regular dude in the comics. If Reeves ever uses him, he’ll probably do that again. Just look at the new "Caped Crusader" cartoon, for example.

[@revtoller]

Uhoh!

[@elijahjagne6462]

Also loved the first episode. Really interested to see where else it goes. I saw IGN gave it a 5 which was shocking, wondering if somehow it goes off a cliff. Fingers crossed that it stays consistent.

[@thephony1651]

It’s best to ignore IGN most times

[@hellfish2309]

I showed up for Cristin Millioti too, who is spectacular

[@OdeOneEleven]

No one is ever going to convince me that Gotham is "New Jersey". Gotham is Chicago. Period. This is coming from someone that lives 5 mins from Jersey.

[@joshuakaha1115]

We'll see if he keeps up with robin, he did so well in Gotham, that show gave its cast nothing, but he is still penguin to me Collins, good enough

[@randallflagg3700]

Just curious, what do you mean by "that show gave its cast nothing"? Big fan of Robin Lord Taylor, he's also my favorite live action Penguin, but I'm giving Colin Farrell a fair shot...

[@craigd7333]

Love Paul Giamatti but no way his Penguin would’ve be this good

[@cable7152]

Have you seen Colin in the Lobster? He is one of these generations' greatest actors. This performance has solidified that as well.

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

I seriously have a hard time seeing Colin Farrell behind this character no matter how hard I try. I wasn't really looking forward to this show that much, but I am now after that first episode.

[@TheVarietyGuy]

Referring to Michael Giacchino as "they" because you're not 100% certain of his "preferred pronouns" since it's not listed on his Instagram, but calling Mick "he" because he does list "his pronouns" on his Instagram is a new level of insanity.

[@jiyu9277]

why do you care

[@TheVarietyGuy]

@@jiyu9277 Because I was so confused who the "they" he was talking about was, and then I realized the insanity taking place.

[@kirandarai8534]

Definitely picked up on the inspiration from the Sopranos, having seen the entire series I'd say you are totally right to make that connection and if you'd seen the whole show the similarities are more striking than you realize

[@jadenbodden35]

Scarface and the Sopranos are great examples but I definitely saw Goodfellas too, especially with the story of the friendly gangster

[@TheMegaDudeBroski]

I haven’t watched this first episode yet, but I literally just got done watching The Batman for the fourth time and saw a Nando video about the universe and had to check it out. As for the whole thing with a map of the flooding, to me Gotham has always and will always be its own thing that doesn’t have the same geography as a real life city. Like for The Batman, Gotham is mostly London and Chicago melded together with a couple New York landmarks sewn in (ie The Garden and Times Square). It’s also 99% of the time in New Jersey, typically closer to Delaware than New York state (at least if your doing the whole Metropolis and Gotham City being nearby since Metropolis is usually just NYC and Cleveland combined together if you transplanted them into Delaware). That is all to say, it could feasibly be assumed that the way Gotham is set up as a city could have suburbs and slums close enough to its sea wall to get severely flooded, especially given how tall those walls were and the nature of it being quite a few bombs all going off at once to destroy the entire infrastructure of the walls.

[@gmedrano3720]

IGN giving it a 5 is funny af

[@Caped-AJ]

Yeah I think the Penguin was really good, but Agatha has more potential imo

[@aviklein3788]

Because The Penguin is just a mobster tv show and nothing more

[@Caped-AJ]

@@aviklein3788 this isn’t inherently a bad thing tho. Like so far it’s a really good crime drama that’s wearing its influences pretty heavily on its sleeve. Agatha is a really unique concept (especially for the mcu)

[@shayan357]

​@aviklein3788 some of the greatest movies and shows ever made are just mobster shows

[@mildhoof]

Definitely a bold choice to put the Penguin in such a small sandbox, as it'll keep the potential audience so small. Mobster shows definitely aren't pulling in younger generations of viewers. First episode was boring for me, but I'm hoping it gets better 🤞

[@geniosityfilms]

The "Battinson Universe" is called "The Batman Epic Crime Saga" Which is great because now we can make a simple distinction between "Batman ECS" and "Batman DCU"

[@littleangrybird8]

Paul Giamatti would be an excellent Mad Hatter in my opinion! I can totally see him pull of insane loony-ness then suddenly cutting the act into something more sinister. Penguin is an interesting fan cast too!

[@Tuaron]

If anyone from Billions should be Penguin, it's David Costabile, not Giamatti. I do agree that PG could be an interesting Mad Hatter.

[@nerychristian]

Michael Keaton could play an older Scarecrow

[@therandomguyonyoutube6415]

I’d actually love to hear Nando’s thoughts on Gotham. Such a truly goofy show with some really cool ideas and excellent portrayals of characters

[@crannogman6289]

Agreed. Gotham had excellent versions of Penguin and Sophia Falcone

[@SoundChristianMusic]

He already deserves an Emmy.

[@LuisHSK]

DC taking the crown it deserver now. This new eage of DC movies and shows will be fucking amazing!

[@KaliFissure]

Lower Manhattan and most or it below Houston were flooded by that hurricane a few years ago. I was in Brooklyn near the water and we had 4 feet in the road. So i think the writers were working that angle. Central Park area was fine. But below Houston is almost sea level. So...... it's set 20 years in the future. Goodbye Antarctica

[@richrod0122]

You can tell the sopranos is a heavy influence even with some actors from the show joining the cast

[@vfxforge]

I think the Kid's story line will be a big twist, the way the show is going I can't see him just as a stray pet.

[@danrandlehandle]

Man maybe I’m really messed in the head but I felt like there were a lot of awkward moments in the show, the tone felt like it was shifting constantly. Maybe I’m fried in the head

[@BlamoStramo]

talk about transformers one

[@lazarok0963]

i simpily hate most of hero movies because of the heros. This show is everything i needed

[@KaliFissure]

Long Island was ALSO closed because it's low. You need a contours map

[@megapeebs2631]

I really hope genuinely that we get Mr freeze in the next movie. He has some amazing moral grounds and he isn't nessesary evil if that makes sense. The last GOOD batman movie with Mr freeze was probably Batman Sub Zero back in 1998 and considering the 2nd movie is CONFIRMED to be taking place during winter/Christmas I feel it would judt be excellent (Arnold Mr freeze was a product of his time please no more ice puns)

[@SilkBuckets]

So good!!!!

[@vfxforge]

Lets face it, Collin is amazing, he is owning the screen in every scene.

[@amirbey9695]

We Want a show about talia alghul, a show about dick grayson parents, a show about harvey Dent grandfather and another show about lucius fox nephew

[@jollyrayda]

Vic doesn't talk his way out of being killed in that first encounter - Oz sees something in him, and I don't think it's a reflection of himself. Oz isn't an only child (and I'm dying to learn more about _that_ family history), but the brothers he talks about aren't around - I think he saw one of them at that moment. And it never occurred to me that Oz could be lonely, or that it would be inherently sad - Vic is a lackey in training, a mentee, _company_ ... Oz needs a friend.

[@Greenjoker4]

its just fine so far. vic sucks asssss tho. random street kid with no acting skills. same face every scene. same awkward stance. bad bad bad.