Why Does THIS Happen To David But Not V? (Cyberpunk Edgerunners)

[@asimplearc3245]

Plus V literally has a chip that is rewriting his brain so I doubt Cyberpsychosis could really take hold, or it would take hold after Johnny takes over V's body with all that chrome

[@TheNeonArcade]

There's also that!

[@delUsionmasterr-r3u]

I really like this explanation as well lol

[@Hercules7301]

I agree

[@Tom-su4tc]

I agree with this one more, v basically got 2 brains to share the load of the cyberware too

[@anids1988]

V is also basicly dead , Johnny takes over the body after the heist but V "soul" is still in there......V also doesn't go nearly full brog like David did and V might build up a resistance like smasher did over time

[@TOKYO_SLIME]

V’s cyberpsychosis manifests itself whenever the player decides to mow down a crowd of civilians and fight MaxTac.

[@v3ng4nce82]

I really like that explanation

[@zasli5118]

Cant agree more

[@JinKee]

Most realistic game mechanic happens inside the the player's head - they literally succumbed to the key symptom of cyberpsychosis, the inability to see the civilians and police as human.

[@alecs5396]

This is exactly the way I saw it.

[@krasuratos]

Makes sense actually…the player controlling him IS the cyberpsychosis

[@spider-spectre]

"Why didn't V get cyberpsychosis?" Players : "This is so funny, driving a tiny car through a crowd of people. I wonder how much cyberware I need to survive against Maxtac?"

[@_JamesMorrell_]

Done this and that Some NPC's were immune to the car and other died As for max Tried some console commands added all the legendary stuff The sandev build got through around 6 waves of max before dying I even had the second heart too

[@flapjackpancake5486]

The fuckin MaiMain has become my signature car. Just because I find it funny that a mass murderer drives around in a cute little clown car

[@lowwstashinpros63]

Not much 💀

[@breylinmengedoht6518]

@@_JamesMorrell_ how do i get console commands

[@nathannguyen1431]

I want lore accurate MaxTac so bad...

[@LargeMetallicFellow]

It's actually confirmed that Johnny Silverhand sharing your head is why V doesn't go psycho. His presence ironically stabilizes V's mental state, even though it's slowly killing V.

[@Colincantkill]

Check the new update lol

[@feloniousassault1281]

​@@Colincantkill???

[@Colincantkill]

@@feloniousassault1281 they added cyberphycosis

[@Readcapa]

​@@Colincantkillno they didn't, the fuck. They added limiter and debuff due to prolong cyberware usage, not cyberphycosis.

[@Colincantkill]

@@Readcapa oh i thought they named the limitor and debuff cyberphycosis since that’s technically what cyberphycosis does

[@lamehick7511]

We, the player, are V's cyber psychosis.

[@nexotoflua3739]

Having flashbacks of playing Star Ocean til the end of time. A game within a game.

[@OccupiedMuffins]

Pretty sure Keanu Reeves is

[@twentyonetortas5921]

How?

[@rabs7290]

true😊

[@laughingskxll]

That's deep

[@CJojo_13_]

Ripperdocs won't let V equip certain implants in 2077 if V doesn't meet the attribute requirements. It could be argued V is both a more experienced person who handles trauma better, and that they don't take on any implants they can't handle. Mike Pondsmith also mentioned that Johnny's chip in V's head also acts as a buffer for any psychological hits V took.

[@Ghghost43]

David however was "Built Different" in his own eyes so he went full chrome due to A. Probably an addiction for it + B. Trying to make everyones dreams reality by bearing all the pressure... No wonder david went cyberpsycho really.

[@laziness6641]

Yeah this makes sense I think. Taking more implants slowly once you've gotten used to the ones you already have instead of just getting a new one every other week sounds better

[@michaelcavalry8379]

Also, doesn't time affect that? V goes through a huge transformations of Chrome in mere weeks at most. Davie and Maine had been chromed for very long, which I assume takes its toll. It took Maine a long time to snap, which I assume would happen to V after multiple years

[@amythistxue1]

@@michaelcavalry8379 yeah that's always the reason I thought, like lore wise the part of V's story we play takes place over the course of weeks, while David had his for longer

[@genericscout5408]

@@michaelcavalry8379 V's story is a few weeks, David's story is about a year or 6 months. Also V has that chip in him/her. A big hole where the brain used to be, then it got re-written too. It's possible they died by the end of it all so cyberpsychosis is the least of their worries.

[@yasuke1709]

"It's about time I chromed the fuck up" I love that line

[@dragonkaijubomb-omb]

I repeat it too often now lol

[@assassinx-rated1440]

“It’s high time I chromed the fuck up.”

[@keondmalloy3625]

David that mf 😂

[@nileredsexperiment834]

“Its chromin’ time”

[@derpspecialist2553]

@@nileredsexperiment834 David said, as he proceeded to chrome all over the place

[@rabbit859]

If you do the Corpo background, V literally begins the game taking mood stabilizers and having a meeting with his therapist. Medication and therapy are two methods that the tabletop game gives to players to prevent cyberpsychosis. Also the Johnny engram.

[@Tha-mountain]

“Just take a bullet”

[@BigU431]

Corpo start best start imo

[@gangarr6898]

😂 it was a cognitive booster not a mood stabilizer

[@gangarr6898]

But if you do the edgrunner perk as of 2.0 i feel as if V goes crazy for a bit because you can start hearing laughter because of the fury skill

[@georgemartyn5268]

@@BigU431 corpo path + dont fear the reaper = canon ALSO ROMANCE JUDY AS A MALE THROUGH MODS. TRY AND STOP ME LGBT .i.

[@xavier779]

They guy who made the table top went on record to say that Johnny helps V bear the traumatic load of cybernetics. David just had a really high humanity stat but starts losing it (literally) after suffering multiple traumas so close to each other. I think it’s a beautiful metaphor for real life. Money and power can never replace safety and love.

[@calleocho2107]

I like this theory. It lines up when Dee keeps losing it at the thought of losing his love life, also when the big guy (forgot his name) loses his girl before maxtac arrives which makes him go completely ballistic.

[@smashrosa8111]

@@calleocho2107 It's not really a theroy since this comes from Mike Mondsmith the creator of Cyberpunk

[@dirpyturtle69]

@@smashrosa8111 except that it’s not in the story so it’s completely irrelevant. The writers of the show are not the same thing as the creator of the table top game that’s basically just a shittier version of shadow run. original creators who have had nothing to do with the IP in recent years don’t get to just be like “this is a good idea, it’s cannon now” if it’s not apart of the story as envisioned by the writers then it’s not relevant to that story.

[@smashrosa8111]

@@dirpyturtle69 Sure lmao. You don't seem to know that everything he says is based on canon facts from the Cyberpunk lore (The original RPG, RED and 2077). The anime isn't in it's own bubble just so you know. Plus he is still involved in the IP with CDPR. Btw it's not the writters of the show that have say in what's canon or not.

[@TheDragonfriday]

Kinda what warframe between the warframe character and the Tenno. Both share the body in bound to one. Warframe is half human and machine that is 99% through skin to bones more advanced then cyberpunk world

[@miragemain105]

V: gets killed, resurrects, finds out he's dying anyways, and watched his best friend bleed to death Also V: chrome me up, choomba

[@Jester4460]

That’s Johnny talken

[@deathangel1411]

Also cyberpsychosis happens mostly In men less likely in women

[@PartikleVT]

Also V: no parents in sight, we watch 2 xbd's during the playthrough, never take the pills Vic told us to.

[@lello2031]

V doesn't have a Humanity stat

[@juice7100]

@@deathangel1411 Because men don't know when to stop with the metal.

[@paullam5047]

I'd make the argument that V is in a form of Cyberpsychosis, given that they have a whole other digital lifeform in them.

[@TheNeonArcade]

Touché

[@bluexdalek1997]

It is like, functional Cyberpsychosis though, two minds can keep the other in check. Plus I am unsure how much V gets, but David sacrificed over 60 percent of his original body to Chrom.

[@jacksuntrieneano7582]

I'd like to think that we're the cyberpsychosis controlling V

[@valdrfears5266]

This is the same theory I have on V situation. Having severe brain damage and a construct in there not to mention only a few weeks to live doesn't leave alot of time for it to take hold if it could.

[@Rennyyl]

Yep, the creator literally said this on twitter recently. He was dealing with cyberpsychosis the whole game and we didn’t realize at first

[@jeremyallen5974]

All the seizures were either the chip fighting the onset of Cyberpsychosis or were just V's brain screaming "JUST LET ME DIE ALREADY!"

[@nikik5567]

V acts like it’s Johnny trying to manifest in a particularly strong way. Like an emotional outburst that is causing V physical harm. Notice how it only really happens when Johnny needs to have a really emotional heart to heart with V?

[@nickjklol]

The seizures are relic malfunctions. It was not only damaged but never meant to be used the way it was on V. It was supposed to be for Saburo to transfer his consciousness to a body on life support.

[@cr0wnin]

Pondsmith actually commented on it, it’s because Johnny actually takes half of the strain of the cyberware, so V can withstand twice as much cyberware as a normal person. Also, V has a significantly better emotional condition due to his friends and the fact that he communicates with them.

[@gamingcactus4634]

theres going to be a cyberware cap kind of thing in new update so I'll like to see how they tackle that

[@mugenokami2201]

@@gamingcactus4634I am likely going to wish death upon who thought that was a good idea. It’s a power fantasy thing yes? Why get in the way of that?

[@kevinburns8473]

​@@mugenokami2201don't worry, mods will take care of this 😁

[@mugenokami2201]

@@kevinburns8473 I’m on console sadly

[@lunararmy1624]

​@@mugenokami2201the cap is raisable by leveling up completing gigs and finding chips as well as via perks

[@skywalker2407]

Also, we really don't know how much chrome David was packing by the end, he could have gone way past V ever had.

[@IndraD]

He almost had as much chrome as Adam Smasher. The only difference was Adam just had a skull of a man and David had head and torso.

[@aljazslemc9569]

@@IndraD And even the torso is seen being modded by the ripperdoc

[@XD-sc4ix]

@@IndraD I don't think he even had a normal skull since we see metal plates on David head (specifically the part where he was missing an eye) after smasher ripped his limbs off

[@bdgctruz5786]

@@XD-sc4ix the only organic thing he has is a brain and his brain is in a biopod in his head

[@kingstrojek9937]

His bulk was cyberware I thought not to mention it’s not how much it’s also what kind and the quality the two greatest risk factors are back alley black market record so to their poor craft and minimal safety ect and Military grade gear like the San dan David used and the cyber skeleton we find this out in a convo V has with a member a max tac after a specific cyber psycho attack and V mentions the Mantis blades the max tax member has is a military grade that is illegal so to their high risk factor

[@r.e.z9428]

I believe V was able to maintain because of Johnny. Kinda like Pacific Rim, with two consciousnesses in one body able to share the strain.

[@diegoorozco8659]

I really like this explanation

[@slyzthaman]

Or like the basilisk for those who haven't watched Pacific Rim.

[@williammoutchia9292]

@@slyzthaman True

[@devildogentertainment4904]

Facts

[@Wolfstarzan]

and V never got that much implants.

[@kushthakush]

"V has no psychopathic tendencies" Meanwhile V casually mowing down through a Maelstrom hideout with mantis blades

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

They are Maelstrom.

[@marko9695]

Scavs and Maelstrom get no mercy

[@Morqana]

​@@marko9695never 🙅‍♀️ (mantis blades)

[@philipsalama8083]

V: "Why don't I ever go psycho? That's my secret - I'm always psycho."

[@futavadumnezo]

Exactly!

[@milkywayhuizar5641]

"I am the Cyberpunk"

[@gaxxaroth7539]

@@milkywayhuizar5641 "time to punk in this cyber world" -V

[@yindee555]

No he's not, It's us

[@Ultrasemen]

I cried when Keanu said "It's Cyberpunk time" and then we cyberpunked all over 2077

[@chikirin9349]

Cyberpsychosis actually is in the game it's when you finish all the side quests and scanner hustles but you still wanna play so you just run around attacking ncpd and random gang members, YOU'RE the cyberpsycho

[@laziness6641]

David's cyberpsychosis: fear of not meeting people's expectations, because he's *special* V's cyberpsychosis: the player

[@Argento_Wolf]

@@laziness6641 essentially yes. The gigs dry up, you’ve taken out all other pyschos, you bought everything there is to buy, and your now bored.

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim2918]

This is actually what I fear. Been seeing less NPD reports poppin' and I wonder if they just need someone to pop them to get reports back up--feeling like I can take a Trauma team down.

[@RhizometricReality]

I'm down to go full cyberpsycho, chrome me the fuck up!

[@kpj2224]

No

[@Charlie.G506]

David went with the full Negative Character Development course, he knew where he was going, and went without fear.

[@Str8Gass]

Exactly!💯💯💯

[@deadrat69]

And took the L

[@Charlie.G506]

@@deadrat69 i'd say he took a W, the girl he loved is safe. He still payed the price tho.

[@mr.jokermaker4539]

@@Charlie.G506 At least the guy was able to clap those cheeks before going down

[@deadrat69]

@@Charlie.G506 safe from arasaka? we don't even know what happened afterwards but knowing arasaka and especially Adam smasher who hates keeping loose ends since there is no mention of her anywhere in the game its hard to guess if she is even alive in 2077

[@Philtopy]

V is a high functioning cyberpsycho. Choom literally got a bullet into their brain AND it’s constantly getting rewired by the relic. Johnny is V’s Cyberpsychosis.

[@ComedicLetter]

No, we are V’s cyberpsichosis. Who else makes V drive a truck through a crowd of civilians

[@calliecalamity8787]

Johnny doesn't really count as cyberpsychosis or is related to it at all. He's related to the chip.

[@calliecalamity8787]

Johnny doesn't really count as cyberpsychosis or is related to it at all. He's related to the chip.

[@Philtopy]

@@calliecalamity8787 In CP Lore Cyberpsychosis does not have a clear definition. It is an umbrella label for every incident of abnormal phenomenon happening to a human, caused or related to cyberware is considered cyberpsychosis.

[@Morqana]

​@@Philtopytrue that it is more of a spectrum since it affects everyone differently based on psychology & types/extent of cyberware they have. But Panam asks V in game "is this cyberpsychosis??" When he's telling her about the relic. V says no its different

[@aliuniversal4100]

Me watching this after turning a nightclub into a butcher shop with my mantis blades: "yeah wierd, why doesnt V go crazy with all these upgrades?"

[@STG1183]

maybe... you just did, when you turned that nightclub into a butcher shop..

[@gitgudlol8816]

​@@STG1183 yeah I'm assuming that's the joke

[@pebbleboyshorts765]

@@STG1183 Good day Sherlock Holmes. At your top game as always huh?

[@momsspaghetti4064]

V is understanding how to control it maybe? V goes bat shit crazy and then calms down after without it taking over. idk. honestly cp2077 is a cluster of wtf so.

[@xleplayVA]

A lot of people have brought upthe player being his cyberpsychosis: we drive him to keep getting chromed up, we drive him to mow down tons of people if we do, so it makes sense tome

[@mista_mars3211]

Bro all David's mom had to do was brake.

[@VerdeMorte]

or turn left/right, brakes were likely budget cheap (she probly took a bullet too tho...)

[@justyourfriendlypal]

in a real life situation you wouldnt know either... trust me bro just trust me

[@nagato5129]

And all Maine had to do was lighten his load a little, but alas no one does things the easy way

[@VerdeMorte]

@@nagato5129 He had an physical inferiority complex, constantly reliving his past life in a puny body before cyberware, which was passed on to David. *This city chews people up & spits them out...*

[@lespaz1197]

To be fair cyberpunk cars handle really bad

[@mooregeorge123]

I thought it was because V is really dead on the edge of being a reanimated life.

[@TheNeonArcade]

Also a reasonable explanation

[@Nekto326]

In canon, we play on V like only 3-4 weeks, but David had all these chrome like 1 year

[@fugana5073]

V is very different case, he was the first person to sucesfully transform from 1 person to another... basically, there was a third party in his brain which was overriding V's own emotions, mood and thoughts, which is exactly what causes cyberpsychosis. Thats how i explaint it for myself

[@GulteusMaxwell]

Given that David could stay sane with Lucy by his side, I assume Johnny was V's anchor to reality.

[@dgurevich1]

Ironic, a ghost of a dead man keeping you sane.

[@dustinlocke7693]

@@dgurevich1 having a pissed off keanu reeves living inside him rent free

[@evr0b]

Having Keanu Reeves talk to you in your head is kinda baller

[@paula8515]

@@evr0b If I had to have anyone riding shotgun in my grey matter, I'd want it to be him.

[@Undecided_Username]

@@paula8515 or Ryan Reynolds.

[@RobertDeLoneWolf]

V literally have a best buddy exist in their heads at all time. Being there holding conversations and either support or dissect V's decisions.

[@lizdevilz7271]

I think with the last update, V still got some but since he is adult and know when to stop, That is why. He never go overboard about “I am special, I can do this!”. Instead, He know he’s going to die and willing to do anything to survive which including try not to go nuts. Not to mentioned dude got more experience when being mercs more than David did so lore-wise, He might not need to spam Sandy that much beside in combat.

[@alexsheperd2060]

V does go through cyberpsychosis. They have every symptom but the relic is essentially keeping them on meds harder than anything sold. It’s why in moments of high stress V starts to shake and cough up blood and hallucinate but the relic reigns the rouge brainwaves back so Johnny can easily mesh without the fear of being put into a broken body

[@KaneMeadowsGaming]

Fan theory

[@neemyn407]

Hmm, so Johny comes and halts any cyberpsychosys to undergo in his mind to a degree, it might be something about 2 minds sharing his brain, so it stalls for a while said process. Might be it but not clear in any way.

[@thehackerslasherheadley8914]

@@KaneMeadowsGaming very much

[@guilherme619gmp]

@@KaneMeadowsGaming can't deny it makes a lot of sense

[@davidmcguire6043]

@@KaneMeadowsGaming cannon. That's literally what the fuck is going on in the game. From the moment thee comes back to life he's experiencing cyberpsychosis.

[@TigarArkham]

Better explanation is that it’s how David responded to those trauma and emotional stressors. He’s given very little time to cope and come to terms with the tragedies in his life which leads him to internalize them in unhealthy ways (such as excessive augmentation and obsession with being the best in NC). Comparatively, V is not only able to cope better with their circumstances but they also have a better support system through their friends and Johnny. David didn’t loose it because of cybernetics, he lost it because he lost sight of himself.

[@ChivalrousSnake]

This exactly. David's story is about someone who isn't living for themselves in the slightest, but instead taking on the dreams of those around him and living for them. He never had a dream, just had hopes pinned on him and that made him lose sight of what he really wanted and who he really was and was becoming.

[@phoenix-wo9bm]

I'd like to think because V just like Adam Smasher, is a badass

[@GutsFromGerk]

the “it” factor going for em

[@DavyDave1313]

I don't think that Adam Smasher is even human anymore, just a contained cyberpsycho

[@hayanoob6392]

Well Adam Smasher has a much more tame version of cyberpsychpsis, a disgust for organic bodies.. so V is better than him.

[@cesspoolofdegenerates5523]

The reason Adam Smasher is able to Borg out isn't because he's cool and shit. It's because the guy was a psychopath before getting blown to bits by an RPG.

[@jpisback]

Yeah, Adam Smasher is a psycho, just a different kind.

[@wilcoxway]

V’s basically playing with two brains instead of one. So despite the Relic literally killing them due to brain damage, V is only suffering effectively half of the strain of his/her cyberware.

[@pedropierre9594]

There is probably many reasons, like the degeneration of V’s neural network, the chip, Johnny’s conscience, lets not forget the tarot that V see’s, it has the same blurriness, and also the monk, that Johnny cant see.

[@MrScreenFreeze]

V has a double consiousness with Johnny, sharing the cyber load between the two of them. Thus reducing/halving the mental stress of cyberpsychosis

[@Olis4897]

True and David also had way more mods than V I think that’s worth mentioning.

[@ydiogo7954]

That theory doesnt make much sense because if u get the legend at NC ending (the one u go to space) V doesnt show any cyberpsycosis symptoms neither his cyberware capacity is reduced and jhonny is far gone by then , but Thats just my opinion

[@johnkidd2260]

I always attributed it to V being incredibly focused, defiant and determined- always onto the next job or the next mission, and never indulging in the kind of thoughts or urges that could act as a gateway to Cyberpsychosis. Also, unlike Smasher or David, V doesn't alter their appearance to robotic extremes- when they look in the mirror, they still look relatively human, and I think that is a great comfort to someone like V... that, despite everything, they still *look* like themselves.

[@asasinxkh2416]

That depends on every player’s decision because V can be just as you mentioned or the complete opposite because V is a reflex of your own personality, obviously if you take the decisions according with your honest opinion of the situation

[@christopherwilliams6848]

I'm pretty sure this is actually precisely the kind of behaviour that can worsen the onset of Cyberpsychosis. Succumbing to it isn't a case of running out of willpower or anything like that, you become a Cyberpsycho when you stop seeing other people as being real, when you lose empathy for them. While keeping your appearance mostly the same would help, being entirely focused on work and not connecting with other people, not exercising your ability to empathise is how you lose it. It's how Adam Smasher behaves, and Mike Pondsmith recently confirmed that Smasher is a Cyberpsycho, just that he's more high-functioning than most. Presumably, this is because his day job is turning fleshy humans into paste for Arasaka, so he can get away with what would usually be considered behaviour that gets you put down by Maxtac

[@SharkyShocker]

I like the idea that normally V wouldn't be able to handle so much cyberware, but because Johnny gets thrown into the fray there are now two mental states combatting the potential for cyberpsychosis.

[@ydiogo7954]

That theory doesnt make much sense because if u get the legend at NC ending (the one u go to space) V doesnt show any cyberpsycosis symptoms neither his cyberware capacity is reduced and jhonny is far gone by then , but Thats just my opinion

[@The-Owl-Bard]

I mean V and Johnny share a conciousness... it's basically two minds processing all this trauma vs just one.

[@jpisback]

More like the engram chip is suppressing the CP because of the rewriting

[@marsh896]

i personally think that, like how D thought he was "special" because he was able to handle the sandy, V is ACTUALLY special, seeing as you're able to deck yourself out with cyberware way before getting Johnny in your head

[@ethancowan3431]

Agreed

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@Voltaic01 David had no chance against smasher. Smasher had already seen everything David's chrome can dole out. He knows the weaknesses and Adams chrome is most likely chrome specifically built for him specifically designed to be a one man army and designed to completely smash other clanks. David's chrome was older than what Adam has which I would say is quite a few years ahead of everyone else. Perhaps Adam struck a deal with Arasaka to give him their best shit they can make and he gets the preemo shit that don't hit the Markey fot a long time. V soloed the tower of Arasaka and Adam Smasher alone in one night. V was something else. A one in a billion to have played Night City's game and came out on top inspite of their declining condition.

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@Voltaic01 That's the point. There isn't a single thing David could've done to win. If he didn't put the armor on. He would've been far too weak to do anything substantial to Adam because he needed the heavy artillery to do it and with the armor. It couldn't stand up to Adam even if it tried because It wasn't designed to whereas Adam was designed to destroy things on the level that armor was on. David was squarely put in lose lose scenario very much had like how V was. We also can't look at Adam Smasher in any other way because him being that chromed out is his default. We've never seen Adam weaker than that. Adam Smasher up until V showing up severely outclassed everyone in Night City. That was his reputation given to him by very high level characters.

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@Voltaic01 Rest isn't what he needed. He needed out of that chrome. Asap.

[@cayden2744]

@@Voltaic01 David is not special then, he is just more tolerant.

[@doubledio3061]

His mods went a lot deeper than V’s can in game . Have you seen the scene where he’s at the ripper doc post time skip ? You could convince me he was just a human colored robot at that point . Even his skull was metal at the end .

[@TallicaMan1986]

Eng game v is the same. The only thing organic by the end of the game is the brain and even then. An argument could be made that that's not even organic all that much due it's process of being rewritten through out the game.

[@Nought.27]

@@TallicaMan1986 well technically you don't have to get V chipped at all if you don't want to, so there goes that argument, and even if you do u can't get all the types of implants in the game at once you simply don't have enough slots for that, for example, you can't have mantis blades and projectile hands at the same time so my theory is that what V can get is pretty much the standard normal limit to what a ripperdoc is willing to put in u + all the cyberware V gets are already on the market tested and safe if u take your meds and stuff. David clearly went overboard, experimental sandy, Maine's projectile hand wich was probably a faulty device and so on.

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@Nought.27 what the player does is irrelevant. We take the absolute potential of V when we're talking about V. Not what a pacifist player does or doesn't do. We know V can be 95% chromed out. We know V can kill Adam Smasher, We know V soloed Night City etc. Other wise your argument can basically be boiled down to "this player didn't even beat the game, V is weak." Mantis blades and projectile hands aren't necessary and definatly not indicative of someone's skill. They're cool, but a Shotgun will do.

[@Nought.27]

@@TallicaMan1986 "what the player does is irrelevant" true u can kill anyone in NC or almost nobody, so if you take into account both extremes, the game needs to be the one to acknowledge if V is psycho or not and well it does not. even if you start killing civilians and you survive max tac you can move on like nothing happened. My argument was that a maxed-out V is still in a functioning state, 95% of the normal limit for a human, David clearly went over the edge because otherwise, it would mean that the last 5% would be the difference between V and Smasher full borg 100% and on a full borg you can practically put all the implant types in the game and more because you don`t have a human body for them to fit in anyway.

[@kodymcbride6901]

@@Nought.27 Doesn't Maine's launcher arm jam on him on occasion? Think it really is just a faulty thing.

[@PiggyBankJoon]

David’s cyber psychosis develops over years of time. V simply doesn’t have that much time.

[@halo7901]

V had a legendary persona inside his head that could split any stress he has with him making V able to handle alot more , V could probably go 97% or 98% chrome and still be pretty good to be honest

[@ramon4184]

That still doesn't matter

[@jmgonzales7701]

How does that work?

[@JayTrxpGaming]

Considering V was dead and a literal construct rewiring his/her organs to fit Johnnys construct mental struggle with reality would be non existent since V isn’t really alive to struggle with reality he’s a Walking VR or place holder I would say for Johnny silverhand

[@LueLucifer]

V is a guy obviously and because everyone always says he or he's in their sentence you just said it, you should've said because they're blah blah blah. V was always meant to be a he but you can make him into your own gender to fit your gameplay and be immersed.

[@Zwei22]

@@LueLucifer Okay what are you on. No one said anything about that but if you're really going to bring it up then female V was always the character being used for showcases and beta related shit. Like I'm not saying one is more canonical then the other, but if you're really bringing that shit up, CDPR used both of them for marketing and have even swapped over to female V again for the new shit.

[@LueLucifer]

@@Zwei22 Never watched the Beta stuff or really cared much for this game since they didn't start development until 5 years after it's announcement. I do know they changed the story a lot though so the Beta changes a lot.

[@bradychristian5507]

@@LueLucifer bro is forgetting the DLC only shows female V

[@bradychristian5507]

@@LueLucifer then why tf you care so much 😂. Just out here stating actual untrue things and making yourself seem mad fragile and toxic

[@endlessnoodle3056]

V spent about 2-3 weeks with Johnny, during which he chipped most of the chrome near the end. Kinda wasn't enough time to develop any symptoms. Also didn't help that half V's brain was scrambled by Dex and another half was constantly rawdogged by Johnny's engram. Cyberpsychosis couldn't even find a place to squeeze into. David spent at least half a year chroming up as if he was trying to be the best Maelstorm member in the world and polished it off by literally becoming a 150% borg.

[@mailsibul]

No one can have 100% borged not even adam , they still have flesh brain.

[@ThyBait]

@@mailsibul no shit just like you can’t be 150% it’s obviously a over exaggeration

[@trashynecromancer1155]

I think V's resistance to Cyberpsychosis comes from a kind of shared burden. Think like Pacific Rim, sharing the load of the cyberware between two conciousnesses.

[@RCHCourierTV]

Cyberpsychosis can be caused by Psychopathic tendencies Meanwhile V: slaughters mass amounts of gang members solo

[@MonerLaine]

He kills out of necessity not malice, He probably feels bad but never says so, because you need to be though to survice on NC

[@ditto7047]

​@@MonerLaine Personally, I kill every ganger I see with extreme malice. My favorite ones to kill are the Tyger Claws and Maelstom.

[@gx4012]

V just built different lmao. It would be fire to see them drop a V easter game in the anime though, maybe someone just mentions his name or even Jackie

[@erwinmixing2988]

The anime takes place in 2076, while V’s storyline happens a year later

[@laziness6641]

@@erwinmixing2988 which is why V would only have a cameo, not be a major player. Because he's not that famous yet

[@Hevenlee]

@@laziness6641 Two versions of V aren't even in night city in 2076, only Corpo V is in night city, a cameo for V would be so hamfisted lol.

[@DaRealXotic]

Let's not forget David probably saw most of his friends deaths in slow motion

[@MrJimjah]

personally i like to think that despite the fact that silver hand is slowly killing V, having someone with him constantly to talk to and keep him focused would help stop psychosis symptoms

[@finalcam1740]

I like to think the entire game is V having cyber psychosis episode

[@NiftyTheCrusader]

It was actually his relic that prevents him from becoming a cyberpsycho. Having two minds in one body in a sense, creates an impossibility for cybernetics to affect his mind. This was explicitly hinted in the game that Johnny Silverhand prevents him from becoming a psycho.

[@mr.starly2423]

Not likely.

[@kingol4801]

@@mr.starly2423 Actually that is confirmed by author’s/devs

[@dr3amless345]

​@@mr.starly2423Oooo schooled^

[@nxthvn914]

Cuz he's technically is V's psychosis since it also strongly hinted at that Johnny was a cyberpsycho

[@mugenokami2201]

@@nxthvn914or just a regular one with chrome

[@glitched_code]

V witnesses their best friend's death, dies and comes back to life just to realize their psiche is about to be overwritten by Johnny Silverhand's engram. At the very least, they're even on psychological trauma.

[@INSYA]

@@TheRealMorningstar the amount of ppl that V HAD to kill and see die is more than 2x this.

[@Gamer_G33k]

David was a regular everyday student who basically watched his own mother die. He watched his new friends die one by one too. Pilor, Maine, Rebecca. He was only 18 when he himself died. V is 22-25 and was either raised as a streetkid to be an edgerunner, lived the high life as a corpo, or on the wild side as a nomad. They have a more lived experience of the world than David did. It is entirely possible, as V, to beat the game with almost no chrome. David just dove in and was on the edge of just borging himself. V can't even wear all the chrome. You can only take chrome that your body can handle. David ignored that and installed them anyway. He ignored the requirements, basically.

[@fanatic9926]

I think the answer is that V does, but simply acts in such a way it's normal, Also fun fact, depending on the start you pick (Corpo) you learn V probably has issues too, primarily highlighted by the fact they deal with regular therapy sessions of some sort

[@RangerHouston]

David is also 17 in Edgerunners whereas V is in his or her late 20’s. David’s mind hadn’t fully matured yet.

[@mr.jokermaker4539]

The fact he can still endure cyberpsychosis at such a young young while packing all of those trauma just shows how much of a beast he is (not as much as V's but still a beast) imagine if this monster actually becomes a fully grown adult

[@yesyouareright9800]

@@mr.jokermaker4539 funny how goku so-

[@walterwhite4398]

@@yesyouareright9800 why goku

[@yesyouareright9800]

@@walterwhite4398 why not

[@taigh1100]

I would assume V is immune to cyberpsychosis because the nanites from the chip are constantly repairing his brain and rewriting his personality.

[@Rennyyl]

EDIT: So I was wrong lol the creator of the cyberpunk universe (not the game) said on twitter V didn’t suffer from cyber psychosis because he had a literal cyberpsycho in his head lol I think David suffered from Psychosis because he was becoming somebody his mom didn’t want to see. I think that took away his humanity, like when he first killed the cyber psycho (his first murder in the show) he had flashbacks and visions of his mom before he ignored them and pulled the trigger. It’s not the implants, but what people do when they get them

[@ThisIsGlitch]

Funny to think about that

[@nenadmilovanovic5271]

Also, david was augmented for years. V has very few augments at the start of the game and the game takes place over a fairly short period of time.

[@ThisIsGlitch]

@@nenadmilovanovic5271 that would be actually another additive, too many implants in a short period of time can and will cause psychosis

[@Rennyyl]

@@nenadmilovanovic5271 very true, there was no “time skip” for V. Everything happened in the span of 2 weeks (give or take) maximum

[@wahed5581]

Can i have the link to the tweet?

[@Adamant1993]

V is also constantly reminded of his humanity, and is constantly striving to hold onto any puece of him that he identifies as himself, which would trqnslate to an unnaturally high humanity stat. V's humanity stat limit is higher than David's, it's that simple. People have to keep in mind that Keanu Reeves had much more of a role to play in the development of Cyberpunk 2077, and hes virthually THE most down to Earth millionaire of the last severao generations (the plot of Cyberpunk 2077 is a clear retcon to Johnny Mnemonic's plot)

[@etherealdreamerart]

I think V is special just like David. David was able to fight off his cyberpsychosis longer than a lot of people and for V, it doesn't even affect them much at all. There really are special people that either can stall out cyberpsychosis for long periods of time or it doesn't affect them at all.

[@papafoundry5537]

V might be his dad

[@etherealdreamerart]

@@papafoundry5537 V can't be David's dad. V is only 10 years older than David. David is 17 and V is 27. That means V would have had him at age 10...🤢

[@Hevenlee]

@@etherealdreamerart I know it's obvious V is not the parent of David, but to add on, V also has the possibility of just not having a penis altogether, and you know after edgeeunners there's a mission and they very much don't know who David is so...

[@doctorkrieger4404]

@@etherealdreamerart well its night city so who knows.🤣

[@etherealdreamerart]

@@doctorkrieger4404 I doubt it. V doesn't seem like the type to be a deadbeat dad. Plus how old was Gloria when she had David?

[@PRchris13]

Also the possibility that V having Johny in his brain may have helped a lot

[@DarkJaspr]

I feel like Johny was actually V's cyberpsychosis

[@SuperCeasar777]

I'm glad I found it short I was wondering the same thing after watching Edge runners thank you for giving an explanation to this

[@Chonkems]

V is much more resilient, being someone who's actually had time to adjust to the augments, and isn't just being downright reckless.

[@MrSaunamies95]

So basically: "deep and interesting lore explanation" or "It just works like this, take it or leave it"

[@terrykrugii5652]

I'd argue V's story is literally about cyberpsychosis. Especially considering just how... unhinged Johnny seems to be in flashbacks. The cyberpsychosis probably rises to the surface whenever he let's Johnny take control for whatever reason he chooses. It's just a different kind of cyberpsychosis, one that is intended to be deliberate by Arasaka.

[@waldened]

V is, by definition, a demigod. Its unreal the feats s/he pulls in the game.

[@fatterperdurabo42069]

V is a cybernetic revenant, literally a ghost in the shell. Of course the normal rules don't apply - you can't traumatize a computer.

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

I don’t think you know what the word definition means

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

Or demigod for that matter

[@waldened]

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf 🤓

[@ThyBait]

@@waldened you’re still wrong regardless

[@Dev-ofDeven]

Can’t become a cyberpsycho if I’m already a cyberpsycho

[@chrispilcher2024]

That accurately describes Adam Smasher to a T, Gonk was committing War Crimes before getting Borged Up.

[@Dev-ofDeven]

@@chrispilcher2024 it’s true getting chromed out just made him faster and angrier

[@herrsemmel01]

V is older than David so maybe he’s more mature in a way that he can handle his own trauma better or smth

[@Nomadic_Gaming]

brains more formed also due to age so it can handle different wear and tear david being younger cant

[@Soul-HunterVIII]

Plus V is actually knowledgeable about Cyberware and doesnt use old implants with back alley software. Unlike David who's using a Sandevistan from a cyberpsycho, and Maines arm launcher which he also went c-psycho. Plus David young and chipped his whole body way to fast V states multiple times to people that chipping old implants increases your chance of cyberpsychosis. Plus, let's face it, V has Viktor who is one of the best rippers in NC. If David was seeing Viktor instead of his guy I'm sure he would've had a different outcome.

[@ErrorknightYT]

V does have cyberpychosis. We are the cyberpychosis

[@theseer6196]

V’s brain is literally being rewritten to handle the absolute most human, human that ever existed so I don’t find it a surprise that he can handle all that cyberware

[@kingol4801]

Exactly. She got her immunity to cyber-psychosis at the cost of literally suffering brain hemorrhages every other day and her mind/soul being erased alive. Her life-span got cut down to about few weeks/a month. That is more that “fair price” for such limited gift.

[@jumjalalabash]

Johnny being in his head grounds V against psychosis. Now if V has weird ideas or impulses he can stop it but shunting the blame to Johnny's influence

[@ricksanchez8584]

V doesn't get to live long enough to see himself become a cyber psycho

[@gundyr7462]

V doesn’t die tho

[@mat7083]

That’s because he never got laid.

[@gundyr7462]

@@mat7083 but I banged Judy

[@mat7083]

@@gundyr7462 No, that was Johnny Wikileaks my friend. The banging in first person was an illusion. You’re still a virgin. Stay pure.

[@gundyr7462]

@@mat7083 gdi

[@Blyat_man]

Also I wish V could have multiple cybernetics on his arms like David who had both gorilla arms and a projectile launcher

[@yohane...shoukan2416]

Mods let me do this lol

[@Blyat_man]

@@yohane...shoukan2416 I unfortunately am bound to a console

[@goldjaws]

I wish we had an ending where v and Johnny got turned into one engram.

[@-_EmperorC]

Fr tho, where they both had semi control or personality merge

[@Wind0demon0anime]

​@@-_EmperorCGod I wish

[@asniffer6532]

Just played the game for the second time, and I can give the whole summarised explanation why the Chip is doing what it's doing with V's brain. Basically, there is a point early in the game that V kind of suffers a semi-brain death due to being betrayed and shot by his late contractor. The Chip where Silverhand is, to self-protect, starts to create with the help of nanotech, some new cells based on the pieces that were destroyed by the bullet ( that later Misty gives back to V in a pendant ). Those new nano cells contain Johnny Silverhand enagram, which is basically his personality, memories and etc. Hence why a day or so later he starts seeing Johnny, and doing or craving similar stuff as him. It's explained by Viktor that the Chip now sees V brain cells as a tumor, and are slowly destroying his original brain cells and adding new ones ( Johnny's ) . So basically, the reason why this is happening to V it's because of the headshot he took from Dexter DeShawn, which damaged his brain and the Chip activating some sort of self healing on the host that nows detects the rest of V's brain as a cancer. None of this would have happened if he was never injured in the first place.

[@thisguyhere44]

One could argue that dealing with Johnny's consciousness existing alongside their own is a form of cyberpsychosis...

[@andrew563]

Ayyy a neonarcade short! Let's goooo!

[@nunyaxyz]

A lil secret, they already had the cure to cyberpsychosis

[@Gamer-kazinky]

Cyberpsychosis ingame is just whenever the player decides to take out a crowd of innocent people lol

[@sword-axis3301]

You're forgetting about the chip in V's that keeps his body from dying. He's technically already dealing with a form of cyberpsychosis with Johnny controlling his body instead of him, while V is barely aware of what is going on

[@Wav03]

I love that there is a real in-universe explanation for me deciding to just mow people down as V.

[@briancheng1743]

Who said V don't have Cyberpsychosis you just haven't seen me play.

[@youknowimright1725]

Omfg yall have me dead 😭💀

[@xavierdraco33]

Maybe it was the relic, and having 2 personalities in there held it back.

[@Andres-ir7tx]

If you take in mind that V is basically to minds in one body, he can "endure" Cyberpshycosis a little bit better

[@DonNekorio]

I think the Bichip worked as another part of the brain, helping V manage the side effects of the implants on his brain.

[@ydiogo7954]

That theory doesnt make much sense because if u get the legend at NC ending (the one u go to space) V doesnt show any cyberpsycosis symptoms neither his cyberware capacity is reduced and jhonny is far gone by then , but Thats just my opinion

[@lylesinstrument-7908]

They confirmed that Johnny being there hells with the burden of cyber psychosis

[@ydiogo7954]

That theory doesnt make much sense because if u get the legend at NC ending (the one u go to space) V doesnt show any cyberpsycosis symptoms neither his cyberware capacity is reduced and jhonny is far gone by then , but Thats just my opinion

[@salvation2324]

My head cannon is that scince cyberpsycosis is a mental thing jonny and v combined have the mental capacity to take 2 times the amount of cyberwear a normal human should be able to

[@hididdlyhodiddly6019]

I’ve always gone with the fact that V is either immune due to the chip literally altering his brain constantly or that he already has Cyberpsychosis in the form of Johnny Silverhand.

[@120mmsmoothbore2]

In an interview the devs said V is immune to Cyberpsychosis because they didn't want the mechanic to interfer with the casual players experience. So the actual reason is V has omega plot armour that David didn't have.

[@cnlthetrue1466]

If David never saw that video from that one dude I feel like he could have been coolin

[@j-dawg4774]

"Probably wasn't the wisest idea" At least somebody said it, David could've had it all and taken Lucy to the moon like he promised, instead he choose to keep destroying himself and being a toxic boyfriend wanting Lucy to be an Edgerunners again before she got capture. The situation could've been handled differently and possibly much better, but David was held back by his trauma and hooked on the thrill of being an Edgerunner.

[@johntavares1218]

David was way more of a complex character. He had a ton of developement im such a short 10 episodes. I thought the way you did but after going back in my head i saw that i couldnt be more wrong. Dont get me wrong he wasnt a typical "good guy" but he lived true to his ideals and faced danger everyday trying to make it big even if he was scared.

[@ifirespondiamstupid7750]

What do you mean force? Lucy was using Maine's death as an excuse to not join the gang because she was actively trying to keep Arasaka out of David's tail. She jumps into the cyber world to snuff out all evidence but caught in the end out of her own carelessness. If she could have told this to David, he could have helped her. She didnt do that and eventually it lead to David putting on that military grade exoskeleton and finally nailing the coffin on him as a cyber psycho.

[@RottenHeretic]

They were both toxic. Don't blame all of that solely on David. Even tho he had a self-martyr complex, it wasn't all his fault.

[@AppalachianDiscovery]

Trauma makes you get chromed up VS chrom makes you traumatized

[@mccoin_9571]

Also V has had longer exposure to Cyberware than David, allowing his/ her body to become more adept.

[@imsentinelprime9279]

David gave himself to many cybernetics, too quickly. While v got all of his op cyberware over time doing jobs.

[@mookieorr2047]

I think cyberpsychosis is about to added to the next big update overhaul

[@arcanetactician8997]

Is there a possibility that Johnny made V more resistant when they merged?

[@Adam-082]

David was also in my opinion fucked over by his ripper doc. He gave him no immuno blockers when he installed the Sandevistan. That probably tore his brain up pretty good.

[@felipehonoriobs]

there was an interview in the Friends Per Second podcast recently where creator Rafal Jaki talked about how giving the player cybersychosis would hinder the player's power fantasy, so they avoided it

[@120mmsmoothbore2]

This is the real answer, the game just wouldn't be fun to the casual players if they had to handle a "Witcher 3" toxicity level mechanic.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

V's already a cyber psycho

[@Cyber9Hound]

V absolutely has cyberpsychosis.

[@vectro51]

He doesnt

[@Maako2278]

he does it's us the players (It's canon It's in the LORE) @@vectro51

[@notthedeadweight]

People also tend to forget that the relic is basically overtaking the brain of V so the construct replaces the body, making an interesting theory that V doesn't suffer cyberpsychosis due to the nanites of the relic protecting the body for the future host.

[@magmatea1704]

V arguably was going through early stages of Cyberpsychosis. V probably didn't live long enough to be fully diagnosed

[@gundyr7462]

V not dead tho

[@Grimdawn95]

​@@gundyr7462 depends on your ending. V lives 6 months after Alt separates Johnny from V if V chooses to return to the world in their own body.

[@attackontitanfollower]

V was also unfortunate

[@rhodes3983]

The player is the cyberpsychosis. Because all the players are goddamn psychos (speaking from firsthand experience)

[@Nojilius]

V has no trauma..... jacky? Getting shot? Having silverhand in his head??????