UNEXPLAINED Secrets In Cyberpunk: Edgerunners

[@Ancient-Child]

In the 2.0 update, if you visit the Columbarium, you’ll find Lucy visited and left a message for all of her companions who passed. The message to David says “You didn’t take me to the moon, but you were there with me”, proving she did return from the moon.

[@amadeus3341]

Yea i think she left Night City like Judy.

[@mohamedmaiza3866]

Companions? I think you mean chooms!

[@adaptablexprox6082]

i dont think she returned because it wouldnt make sense if she just came back to earth after david basically died to send her to the moon

[@APAMVs]

Thanks for this!

[@averymccoytarnished6782]

@@adaptablexprox6082 She didn't even really want to be on the moon by the time she left to go there. She just did it because it was David's last wish. What she really wanted was for David to live for his own dreams, and instead he died for hers.

[@sigmaball16]

They used a splash transition because it’s a juxtaposition to the glitch BD deaths symbolising that this time David is actually dead considering no glitching effects take place. The difference in transition also can used as a way of saying David died human whilst his other deaths symbolise his future chrome addiction and cyberphycosis after the brain dance torture

[@louielow582]

cyberpsychosis, not cyberphycosis

[@splishsplash3492]

@@louielow582 nerd

[@louielow582]

@@splishsplash3492 ya

[@jromekoolaid142]

@@splishsplash3492 🤓

[@0HOLSTER]

He died. It happens in stories. I guess Jackie needs to come back. His body was in better.condition and aradaka can't bring him back. Get the devil ending and you'll see.

[@JayVGBND]

The story is a prequel to Cyberpunk 2077 so in context David is living in the beta/pre released version of night City meaning the gang encountered more glitches and bugs than what we have encountered on Day 1. No wonder they’re always having a hard time while V is just brushing through the entire epic futuristic story😂

[@1wayroadAccel.]

I can't see any other possible scenario for this well said.

[@covilderagnaros1028]

True, this is why we can IK Adam, Adam in the anime have a lot of wrong stats

[@AsariNextDoor]

The stats weren't wrong. He was intended to be that strong but they had to nerf him after none of the beta testers could beat him.

[@alvitodev]

Haha make sense tho

[@derekholcomb9859]

I love how he calls Adam smasher Adam Sandler at least half a dozen times in this

[@bumperjumper]

😈

[@Confused_Master]

Because like Adam Sandler, smasher was a joke! :)

[@DaughterCesar]

@@Confused_Master 😂

[@bradprice8040]

I had to scroll down too far to find someone commenting on this.

[@theEdgeCrusher12]

I thought I was the only one who heard ir.

[@real-zenithas]

My question is why Lucy's attempts at quickhacks were countered by a pretty fearsome anti-ice system & counterhack response, but in Cyberpunk even a novice hacker can turn Smashing Pumpkins into pumpkin soup.

[@bumperjumper]

LOL

[@S1l_v2r]

Well, I guess one can say V is a whole different breed of being... One that doesn't know what ice means.

[@real-zenithas]

@@S1l_v2r "Where I'm going, we don't need to know those fancy words"

[@selfabsorbedsponge7246]

One could possibly argue that the Relic safeguarded V into being more resistant/resilient to counterhacks, like how it’s made a point a few times how V should’ve died from that bullet from Dex but the Relic salvaged him.

[@redacted5985]

@@selfabsorbedsponge7246 protected him more than that. The Voodoo Boys’ hacking attack that kills several Netwatch agents can’t kill V, and neither could the spiked braindance that killed the Mayor. The Relic’s got something going on that makes it safeguard V from cyberattacks.

[@JadeMarco]

The tenth episode ended perfectly and managed to both spectacularly conclude the story and leave enough questions unanswered to stay mysterious. Making a season two continuing the same story, with the same characters would undo that, and just ruin it. Often times the best things are short and cut just as they are at the top. Then we long for more of them and we love them, when they get dragged out however, we can regret ever wanting more of them (looking at you GoT season 8).

[@gregthepeglegpregdreg]

You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

[@victorsouza4554]

Seems a bit extreme to me. GoT season 8 wasn't shit because they dragged it, it was shit because the narrative, the dialogue, the arc conclusion and the expectation subversion were poorly handled. Having a show with 1 or 10 seasons matters only so much if the studio genuinely cares about a story. It's not that complicated, really: plan every major point ahead, don't switch writers, don't have 10 writers at the same time and keep it simple. There is no way of being sure, of course, because money is the end all be all of this industry, but I struggle to understand what was the point of the anime, if not to tell a story of their own. They could not have predicted it would be this success, so they could not have given it the green signal in an attempt to improve Cyberpunk 2077's reputation as a horrendous game disaster. Now, I understand people not wanting this to continue, but that would be a huge mistake. The story was captivating and had closure for many characters, but you would need just as much copium as those who think David is still alive to say that Lucy's ending is fine. Yeah, sure, there are no happy endings in Night City...except that it makes zero sense from a narrative perspective. What is the point of telling a sad story in a sad background other than being nihilistic? I mean, if that's so, then why watch the anime in the first place if everything is meaningless and everybody dies? This is not what stories are for and I feel like there are other less sadistic ways of passing time. Contrary to that, I believe Cyberpunk had the potential to tell an uplifting story: despite all, the characters dare to live, dare to take what they want and love despite the grief that will come. When I see Lucy's arc, I struggle to see what she got from that...Her relationship with David was like 30% of the soul of the story (if not more....), and it was all for nothing. Yeah, she went to the Moon, but whatever at this point. It's a dead dream now. She will be there, but her mind will always be on David, at least as far as the show left us. I'd love for a second season, not because I want David to come back and be with Lucy, but just to tie that loose end, do the character some justice. At least have her moving on somehow.

[@JadeMarco]

@@victorsouza4554 I never said I didn't want the series to continue. I would very much love for it to! Just not with the same characters. As I said, in my opinion the story arcs were ended well, that includes Lucy's arc too. "Zero sense from a narrative perspective"? "What is the point of telling a sad story in a sad background"? "This is not what stories are for."? These points of yours tell me that you either don't enjoy this genre (which is fine) or simply don't get it (which is also fine, I guess, but in that case you shouldn't really criticize it). Sad stories have been present for as long as stories have been present as some of the oldest stories in existence are sad. For a long time sad stories (in the form of tragedies) were even considered superior to any other kind of story. They were and still are appealing to people for many reasons. As you said yourself - there are no happy endings in Night City Something gives me the vibe that you yourself need a little bit of copium and that's why you want to see more of the known characters :D

[@joeblogs8049]

Yep, some things are good because they end.

[@pipeline789]

The story of David and the Rest of the cast seems perfectly concluded to me. I would also prefer a season 2 with a different cast as everything else would just take away from this perfect story.

[@VitAbductor]

In the game, Adam Smasher uses right hand canon to finish Johnny S, but later we can see that he is not dead as he gets to talk with Saburo himself before getting transformed into an engram. Adam Smasher uses his right hand to kill David. His right hand is probably a non-lethal canon. David is probably alive as an engram too.

[@evandroescutatrap131]

Fake memories. Johnny Died in the minute he got face to face with Smasher inside 'Saka Tower. Then, a glitch, a very dry and weird cut. Johnny is a cyberpsycho as well, he probably lies to himself because of his narcissism or Arasaka fucked his brain to believe that. He didn't survive to the roof, got shot, died, one woman found his body and belongings and kept it in secret and people only found out in 2045(As said in one of Cyberpunk Red's stories).

[@dr_cachetes6822]

Of course! That is what happened!... said no one, ever.

[@Bikeadelic]

In the game he shoots off Johnnys cyber arm

[@bigbywolf5031]

​@@Bikeadelic in the game we see how johnny remembers ot, but game constantly proved to us thay Johnny is unreliable narrator. According to the lore, Johnny was inside saka building when he encountered smasher, he started firing at him and bullets just kept bouncing off, then smasher turned and as story says " cut him in half with the barrage of bullets, there was surprised face on rocker's face, like he didnt expect to die there."

[@himothy9871]

Or.... Maybe both arms have lethal cannons

[@DanielRivera-xp8pk]

If there’s ever a 2nd season, it gotta be Bartmoss story and how he took down the net that would be epic

[@bumperjumper]

Yeah I’m very interested in seeing more on Bartmoss; he left a lot to be uncovered/explored

[@kenjisclips]

Sad as it is to say very little chance we see lucy / David or any of them again in anime 😢

[@evanbelisle8464]

@@kenjisclipsso e things are good enough to get a second season and some things are so good it should be left alone as is.

[@kalebbrown9146]

​@evanbelisle8464 I think they should have a second season, but have it focus on a different crew. Doesn't even need to reference the original crew, I just feel like they could totally do a second story on its own

[@puggyjman1073]

11:37 disproven. V lives in megablock 10 while David lived in megablock 4. This can be seen by comparing the distance between both megablocks in reference to the Night City stadium. They appear similar due to the society's way of keeping things consistent especially among the megablock series of structures. 11:46 same with rogue

[@remzovega7459]

0:53 ‘Adam Sandler’s weaponry’ Sorry, it was just too funny

[@madarx_c.e9399]

3:54 ‘He got murked by Adam Sandler’ lol

[@jyrese117]

I think the flash was actually the muzzle flash and the moment of David's death was in slo-mo, just like how he lived. also David did not live in Vs Watson apartment, but he did end up living in the same bigger apartment as V in the fixer ending of 2077

[@proflow3157]

How was it the muzzle flash if as hadn’t shot yet? 💀

[@syloh1245]

I don't think it's the same penthouse as in the fixer ending, it has a different view compared to V's. It's possible that the megablock penthouses all have a similar floor plan, just like the mid tier apartment's V and David lived in have similar layouts.

[@jacquestaljaard6644]

David lives in tower 4 in arroyo . if you look at how megatowers are built then some of the apartments can repeat design so you are right . as for the flash it could also be a charged shot from his cyber arm . people forget that charging weapons to deal extra damage is a cyberpunk thing so you're kinda right there too

[@joshadams5602]

In regards to the cyberpsychosis quickhack, that's a quickhack you can find and use as V, some of its effects are described as inducing a cyberpsychosis-like state in the target, as well as setting the status of drones, mechs and robots to friendly. To me, that implies the quickhack does not actually cause psyberpsychosis. But then, who knows? The actual cause of the condition is kept deliberately vague and open to interpretation, so there's a good chance we'll never know.

[@mmfreshmeat2860]

Hmm, ill take a stab at it and say that since you need immuno supressors to counter cyberpsychosis, its a response from your human body. Thats also the reason Adam could keep himself together instead of just mindlessly killing stuff. Then theres also the thing that MaxTac are cyberpsychos caught alive and trained to be soldiers so maybe, just maybe, cyberpsychosis' effects are treatable, but not completely removable. That leads to my conclusion that cyberpsychosis is caused by your implants interacting with your human part of the body, maybe the nerves, and causing some sort of hormone imbalance that leads to psychosis.

[@weakest17yrold]

@@mmfreshmeat2860 didnt the writers confirm that cyberpsychosis is purely psychological and non-physical? Then that makes me wonder why immuno-suppressants even exist in the first place. In a literal sense, it would prevent the chrome from being rejected by your body since its suppressed immune system is incapable of fighting it, then why would that prevent somebody from “running off the edge”? Idk I think thats a pretty solid plot hole but one that doesnt matter cause the series was fcking awesome.

[@gharm9129]

@@weakest17yrold no they didn't it was said to be both psychological and physical and the nervous system being overwhelmed is a real thing as we're seeing with the usage of BCI testing like this Doctor also covers, he covers a lot in this area being a gamer himself ttg and otherwise kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4LGnqyjlq6jjKc

[@Yes-ly1nx]

​@@gharm9129Mike Pondsmith posted on a Reddit thread explaining that Cyberpsychosis is a result of the over indulgence in cyberware augmentations causing base mental health issues to become exaggerated as a person loses their "humanity" as in Cyberpunk the act of installing cyberware directly harms your humanity and empathy. The reason "High Functioning Cyberpsychos" exist is the same reason that high functioning sociopaths exist as well. In Adam Smashers case, the Borgware he was couldn't harm his already deceased humanity and lack of empathy allowing him to keep adding more and more while remaining "stable" as he was already a psycho to begin with.

[@potatoman2565]

In the game and im pretty sure the main source materials for the tabletop its heavily implied that its primarily caused by someone having traumatic experiences. The cybernetics just help to weaken the mind but is also why there is a cyberpsycho in the game thats barely even augmented.

[@hrgaming4plebs570]

Smasher used his right hand to finish off David similar to how he finishes Johnny, but as told by Alt his memory are unreliable and according to the real lore, Johnny dies immediately getting split into two by his right arm autoshotgun and Spider Murphy was the one who soulkilled Johnny with a shard installed into him. I guess at the very least soulkilling someone or rebuilding like Smasher requires an intact brain, so if Smasher did shoot his head with his charged autoshotgun arm, there isn't any left. Also he respected David enough to offer him to be a construct and seeing that he rejects it, he honors him by making sure Arasaka can't do anything about it(like if you left Jackie's body in the game isntead of sending him to his family, Arasaka took it for sort of soulkiller interrogation, but they mostly only got data instead of the actual personality judging by the interaction you can have under Arasaka Tower with Jackie's construct in devil's route). The cyberpsychosis quickhack is part of the game but it simply shows there's various of conditions that can be classified as cyberpsychosis. Even in the game the victim you quickhacked seems aware enough they're being controlled from what they said, so for the quickhack version it controls their actions while they're mostly aware and can't do anything about it, while the one David and Maine experienced seems to be real psychosis. About the moon, some diary shards by Sandra Dorsett kinda implies Night Corp had something shady going around there like using some AI to control people without them being aware, kinda like with the Peralez. Also spoiler about Delamain, he's kinda actually an Ai from beyond the Blackwall as told by one of his rogue personalities instead of made by any company.

[@bumperjumper]

You are a holy grail of information

[@Domtronic]

Well done friend.

[@janoslaszlovasik9161]

Holy shit, you're right. That's why Delamain doesn't say where he's from.

[@drysoup3017]

On top of the tower, Morgan Blackhand fought smasher right? If so, than I know where ya got your info from, and that it's good.

[@hrgaming4plebs570]

@@drysoup3017 well technically Silverhand kinda switched place with Blackhand at the rooftop during the escape in the flashback, either because it was his ego to think that he had heroic death or just being an engram with incomplete memory it fills itself with data related with the event. So he thought he had a rivalry between him and Smasher but it was Blackhand all along.

[@Chaosdogg47]

The Cyberpsychosis Sasha uses is a nod to the game hack (ability) you can use. It causes enemies to attack anything in their vicinity. I don't think it's ever acknowledged as an actual status that causes the condition outside of battle given that the ability causes the target to self destruct after all hostiles have been terminated, which is not one of the symptoms of the actual cyberpsychosis condition.

[@Turkeysammich3000]

She didn’t stay on the moon, if you go to David’s memorial, she wrote “You didn’t take me to the moon, but you were there with me.” If she stayed, she wouldn’t have been able to write that.

[@watchmehope6560]

How do you know she wrote it and didn't pass the message to falco to write for her?

[@BlackmoonLilith0101]

She could have had Falco do it. Or done it online, with the technological advancements it's not farfetched to say she did all of those over the net.

[@bengaming3649]

The only thing that stand out to me disputing the theory of David being still alive is that I don't remember if it is a opening/closing credit thing or if one of the official music videos have it in it, but there is a very clear and specific scene with Adam Smasher putting a very clearly defined hole in David's head. I think his head literally explodes if I remember the scene correctly. In any case it seemed pretty final in that scene. On the other hand, who cares about that scene, I am perfectly happy if they bring David and Lucy back in Season 2 and give them a happier ending.

[@Turkeysammich3000]

Except there’s absolutely no plans for a season 2

[@stonesage1586]

@@Turkeysammich3000 up to now.

[@Anakin_Ackerman]

In Night City, there are no happy endings.

[@DivineNaruto]

That would ruin the show and the theme of cyberpunk.

[@admiral_chika6780]

@@DivineNaruto no not really you can still become a like Johnny and come back. Arasaka is known for doing devious shit it could be possible they have David engram

[@r8man26]

I mean they straight up said that they never thought it would be this successful, so season 2 was never planned; it's not that it'll never happen, just never planned. The producer mentioned he wasn't sure if it would be season 2 or something else. That might change in the future, but the fact that it succeeded in every possible way (by reviving the game) does increase the chances of them continuing with anime. The CEO mentioned that they really want to do more shows like Edgerunners. Now whether that's continuing David's story or getting a new crew is another subject, it's CDPR call. Maybe we might get something in Phantom Liberty hopefully. The important thing is CDPR and Trigger are open to doing more work together, so hopefully we get another banger.

[@bumperjumper]

Very well said, as always Jan!

[@HelloOnepiece]

Trigger is infamous for not having 2nd seasons though, so far only SSSS has a 2nd season and thats not and Imaishi work

[@r8man26]

@@HelloOnepiece Panties and Stockings got a season 2 and they were working on Inferno Cop season 2 (unfortunately the main actor died during preproduction). SSSS got 2 seasons and a movie. The reason why most of their shows get 1 season is because they are original standalone shows with a mostly complete story. Cyberpunk is a big universe and there are plenty of stories to tell even if it's not a continuation of David's story. They could do another standalone story with some tie in like SSSS Dynazenon/Gridman (A lot of these people also worked on Cyberpunk). There's another comment (Jose Urbinas/Bernie) on this video that goes more into this topic than I explained here, but there's more to this than just Triggers unwillingness to revisit previous work. Maybe, they changed their stance or something, but it does seem like they are open to doing more based on Homma's/Imaishi's interview.

[@kikphlip1080]

I saw in another comment section someone saying it would be cool if they did the other background options. David's the street kid, season 2 could be corpo or nomad. It would be rad to see the different perspectives.

[@m.s.8377]

Who is trigger...ive been looking..

[@Evanz111]

Amazing connection between The World and The Fool cards perfectly paralleling the story of Edgerunners!

[@skyr4v3n]

Something you missed. Besides Claire at Afterlife in the anime you can see Rogue in edgerunners as well. Dont remember which episode but its when David sneaks Rebecca into the Afterlife smiling in front of the bar.

[@bumperjumper]

Ep4, yeah she’s the security gal for the afterlife!

[@TheSpencer033]

@@bumperjumper shes not the security guard, she is the owner. she smiles at them as an acknowledgement of sneaking in and essentially waiving it off as ok, instead of having them kicked out.

[@MrCobalt]

​@@TheSpencer033Correct. The events of Edgerunners all happened very shortly before V's own story, as well, so Rogue would definitely be the owner at that point.

[@roseredthorns]

Just want to note, V and David have different apartments. The 1st episode shows he lives in Megabuilding H4, while V lives in megabuilding H10. A corporation likely owns both megabuildings and used the same interior layout, much like how many apartments owned by the same company or landlord can have similar designs. My own apartment is a carbon copy of the one next to us.

[@DyceKendoka]

V and David live in different megablocks, but as all the rooms are pre-fabricated, it's likely that they just have the same design of appartment that's mass-produced for the megablocks.

[@atesz567]

propably, in Europe we also have similiar blocks with like 30 apartmans. And yes most of them is the exact same layout

[@savlosavage]

Calling adam smasher ... sandler is hilarious i know im late but none the less im here lol

[@robertroelofs7131]

Love it when you say: Adam Sandler instead of Adam Smasher!

[@bumperjumper]

It’s the canonical pronunciation

[@pixcelation]

the sheer amount of puns you put into this script ... I both applaud you and flip you off lmao

[@hongbbl]

3:05 the call was about the sandevistan, and no, Maine not receiving the sandevistan doesn't counter this point since we know Maine paid upfront for it and didn't receive the product. The call was gloria telling Maine about the sandevistan and making a deal with him purchasing it. So it was a strictly business call where they made the deal, but gloria couldn't deliver the sandevistan since she got called in by the principal and got in the accident shortly after.

[@Warrior2044]

2:04 And this theory, what is Arasaka and Adam Smasher got to the moon? That would be a good way to continue Lucy’s journey. They they have to keep her.

[@lukecage7003]

im hoping that they're are some dlc tie in's to to the show. Like going to save david and lucy comes ask you, (V) for help.

[@Warrior2044]

@@lukecage7003 That would be a great idea!

[@victorsouza4554]

@@lukecage7003 Holy shit. I think you're up to something, dude.

[@RebeccaKnows17]

Rouge is also in Edgerunners when David only just joins the team and they're doing missions together building rep and music is playing. She's in the same outfit as she wears in the game :)

[@bumperjumper]

Yeah she’s the security gal who lets David and Rebecca through!

[@TheSpencer033]

@@bumperjumper shes not the security guard, she is the owner. she smiles at them as an acknowledgement of sneaking in and essentially waiving it off as ok, instead of having them kicked out.

[@chojratello6287]

Adam Sandler 💀

[@spazz4691]

That shit through me off 😭

[@TraumaTrae]

I interpreted that she went to the moon to die. She took a tour cause it was the quickest and easiest way to get there to feel close to David. I don't see how Johnny could have been in David's head cause he didn't have the Relic or exhibited any of the symptoms V does. They already advised there won't be a direct season 2 of Edgerunners but advised they want to develop more anime series/spin-offs of Cyberpunk

[@chadcuzbad7009]

Several things lead to cyber psychosis, the thing is it is directly tied to your humanity and empathy capabilities, but several things in the game show us that Night Corp, the original founders of night city, is able to give anyone cyber psychosis on a whim via brain/radio wave transmission, so it’s both, it’s created but the people who get it do not have much humanity in the first place. Also in the game there’s a contagious quickhack daemon that is called cyberpsychosis, it just makes the enemy attack anyone including their friendlies so in the music vid Sasha is just using that, it’s not a groundbreaking secret

[@kelvintiger]

If David turned into a construct then he died a second time when Alt sucked up all the constructs

[@WacelisWell]

In episode 8, when David was staring at the TV, a commercial about a trip to the moon for 250k ed was played. David was surprised that it was cheaper than he expected, and Lucy replied that it was *a one-way ticket* . It could mean that Lucy does not want to stay on the moon.

[@ionobru]

Yh but she came back thi

[@eljojo672]

11:26 Easily debunked by the fact David lives in Megabuilding H4 located in Arroyo while V lives in H10 located in Watson. Lets also add the fact the layout simply isn't the same, the footage shown in the video is inverted.

[@Dr-Dusty]

Ah yes, the mislead of several canon instances throughout the entirety of cyberpunk 2077 directly saying David died from smasher. I too find several characters stating his brains were blown out very vague.

[@ionobru]

I think what kinda makes sense is that david is effectively dead in the same way Johnny silverhand is, not that the whole end of the show didn’t happen (which is utterly stupid cause in 1077 you can find shit that confirms what happened in the last ep actually happened

[@Rafa36999]

That Maine line "maybe the apple don't fall far" deffs points to David being his son

[@wikus2411]

Not necessarily. He knew Gloria and that she stole items from corpses to sell to him, so he could be saying that maybe David also has no issues doing illegal things as long as he gets paid

[@ionobru]

Bro he’s talking about the Apple not falling far from Gloria, not him

[@Rafa36999]

@@ionobru how do you know? Did you write the script?

[@ionobru]

@@Rafa36999 bro I just have basic understanding of English

[@Rafa36999]

@ionobru lmaoo so you have no idea then, just think ur opinion is fact 😂

[@jon-580]

Sasha didn't invade Biotechnica in order to find info about her mom. She went there to steal valuable data for Maine. She discovered the data about Biotechnica's involvement in her mom's death accidentally and decided in the moment to reveal that info to N54 News. That is why Maine said "data received, get out now" and began to freak out when Sasha didn't leave and cut her connection to him. She's just another person in Night City who's personal tragedies lead to a tragic ending.

[@bumperjumper]

True: very well said!

[@timalice-2833]

The theory of cyberpsychosis being controlled by an outside source makes me think of the plot of Ghost in Shell from 1995 where people’s cyberbrains are being hacked. When they are it changes their memories, perceptions, and even personalities. It is the basis of the philosophical tones of the movie on how if all that can be hacked and changed, are they even human. The idea of Maine being David’s father is interesting when taking into account how fast he is to start patting David on the head, like after the first gig. Many anime use this as a sign of affection and encouragement between parent and child, but it could also be used for other reasons. Like a teacher and student if they share a close bond for example, but normally not with someone David’s age. The Black Unicorn katana seems to be a reference to Ixion from Final Fantasy X. It deals electrical damage that increases further if a sandevistan is used and Ixion is a summon that is a unicorn with electric powers.

[@bumperjumper]

Ghost in the shell was for sure a huge influence for Edgerunners. Adds even more credibility to that theory, thanks! Yeah the pat on the head felt very “father-figure” to me I didn’t notice that reference/tie in to ffx! It’s literally my fav game of all time. Great observation

[@timalice-2833]

@@bumperjumper thank you for replying. The ffx thing just hit me as I was typing the other stuff. Would make sense that ghost in the shell was such a big deal. There is the daemon in the shell reference. Also Judy’s image on the holo is a ghost in a clamshell. She has a tattoo of it on her left arm, I think

[@timalice-2833]

@@bumperjumper I forgot to mention, there also seems to be a From Dusk Till Dawn reference. There is the bar the Dicky Twister where in the movie it mostly takes place in Titty Twister. Minus the vampires

[@godspeed6474]

1. This dude really called him Adam Sandler 2. David is dead, you can visit his grave and the others at the cemetery. Same one you can find v at if you let Johnny live on

[@kujo4388]

David’s engram being implanted into someone else and actually taking over would be a pretty cool sequel setup if cyberpunk ever gets another game or show.

[@nerose274]

The thing is No head No engram.

[@overflow7276]

Lol. I didn't know that Adam SANDLER had a role in Edgerunners! XD

[@roseredthorns]

0:53 "Adam Sandler's Weaponry" broooooo

[@bumperjumper]

:D

[@barshalen99]

Mike Ponsmith addressed why V is able to become highly resistant to cyber phicosis: Because Johnny is implanted inside of V, it acts like a buffer between him and the cyber phicosis. That and V because the strongest edgerunner known to date.

[@FlameSlayer1901]

3:02 he never received it because she died, he was supposed to get it implanted which is why he was mad when he found out it was in David, however I guess Maine being really nice to David supports the theory, despite this point being false

[@jon-580]

David and his mom lived in Megabuilding 4, the same one you find the Edgerunners BD outside of. He didn't live in Megabuilding 10 where V lived. Megabuilding 4 exists in Cyberpunk 2077 but is not accessible. It makes sense that all of the Megabuildings have similar decor for the basic level apartments. It is essentially low income housing and is mass produced to save money.

[@allmightfan]

3 in the morning with some great food after studying super high AND YOU DROP THIS.... YOU DONT MISS

[@bumperjumper]

Thanks so much!! Means a lot fam!

[@thomaskiekens292]

David lived in megabuilding 04 in Santo Domingo and V in megabuilding 10 in dunno where but quite far (Watson maybe ?) You can find the edgerunner logo on the wall next to the megabuilding 04 and a small quest talking about David and giving you his jacket In this quest, Falco contact you and tell you than they're hiding, using "we" since everyone died except him and lucy, I guess Lucy is at NC And if I remember well, the event in edgerunner happens in 2076 (one year before V) so it's normal than Claire know him and you can buy a "David Martinez" if you talk to her

[@thomaskiekens292]

Oh and about the cyberpsychosis, there is a real debate about the society creating an environnement for the illness to be developped, than a illness do not exist if we do not put a name on it (for exemple: no one complained about burnout or depression before scientist talked about it) It mean than cyberpsychosis can exist from longer than we tought or also is just a "variant" of another psychosis And we do see in the game than they're looking for a psychological treatment for the cyberpsychosis and we see than they do not know it very well So I think the debate is open to the cyberpsychosis, but like everything, it is more about an ethical position than a real truth (I hope I was understandable, english isn't my mothertongue)

[@capitalG386]

honestly, considering Arasakas significant interest in making David a test subject and significant lack of moral or ethical hangups, I could easily see that flash being an AV with Smasher being ordered to back off and instead take him into custody. call me an optimist, but frankly though, knowing anime as I do, if you didn't see the body and instead got a cutaway transition, doubting it, just makes sense.

[@nerose274]

To be an engram you need to be Alive David doesn't even have a head.

[@Obsidianen]

The thing is: the moon (and all of space really) at that time belongs to the highrider faction. They are extremely anti corpo (culturally based on the EEC and Pan African Coalition) they used to be workers, but overthrew their corpo masters in a 7 hour revolution.

[@MariusThePaladin]

The two megacorp does indeed have their reaches on the Moon. However, it is still a friendlier place than Night City due to the reason that the main faction which control it is EU's space agency. Also the lore stated that the moon has two colonies on it, one which is more like a smaller, sub-urban community.

[@McGruder25]

Pretty sure that given she was an Arasaka Asset, if they made an Engram of David she'd probably have it destroyed one way or another. As for another Anime I would legit love a story of an NCPD or MaxTac unit that legitimately wants to make Night City safer as best they can and has to work around the bullshit.

[@itsqiann3306]

Damn... lot of effort put into this video 10/10. 🔥 Looking forward for the next one!

[@bumperjumper]

Really appreciate it!! :)

[@TeaTheSecond]

Also if i am not wrong i saw that in the scene where david zips rebecca away from the guys with the sandevistan in the bar, rebecca introduces david to a friend or something, and that person looks very simelar to rouge, silverhands love interest ykykky

[@bumperjumper]

Yeah that’s a good one, shoulda included that one

[@SoaringxDragon]

That person was Rogue, not just someone who looked like her. Rebecca wasn’t friends with her, Rogue was just amused and waved them on through to enter her bar.

[@TeaTheSecond]

@@SoaringxDragon yeah thought so, i just didn't know if it was confirmed or not that it was rouge

[@yeetmabois4380]

In episode 2 of Edgerunners when Tanaka was being showed David’s use of the sandevistan on his son, the guy on the holo told Tanaka that “unlike the soldier, this student displays no apparent side effects stemming from the implant” “I believe his tolerance for cybernetics could, in fact, make him a prime candidate to test THE product.” Could the heavy emphasis on “THE” be referring to the chip that V installed with Johnny’s engram?

[@bumperjumper]

I’ve had that question pop up multiple times actually. Unfortunately it seems very concrete that by “the product” they mean the cyberskeleton. That’s what implied but I do think the cyberskeleton wasn’t super duper special considering what Adam smasher was packing so I’ve talked about a theory where the actual product test was the copying technology in the Arasaka truck. Their ability to capture David’s mind in the truck could have been the true test

[@yeetmabois4380]

@@bumperjumper oh interesting, thank you!

[@RainOn2SunnyDay]

@@bumperjumper it's definitely the skeleton, and the reason for it was that they wanted to mass produce it

[@MirkoCrafter]

@@bumperjumper But they also said that the skeleton was originally supposed to be tested/worn/used by Adam Smasher. Why would they let some random student, who just happens to have a higher tolerance test out this top-secret military tech instead of A.S.? The only reason I would understand is if the skeleton is potentially too dangerous for the user and they would rather let some random die if it malfunctions than their top tier soldier.

[@Syuss4]

@0:54 I am either delirious or you said Adam Sandler 😂

[@nexusdrop7863]

Moon tours signs are for the groups there to gather. Pretty common in tourism things.

[@BayArea510.]

Anyone else notice he said Adam Sandler, TWICE ! Go back to 55 sec and 1.04 .

[@Feled11]

David had a high humanity score and also had a found family that kept him more or less grounded

[@vzus]

Adam Sandler really made the show for me. I loved it when he apered on screan in a post credit scene with the remote form click and reversed everyting

[@bumperjumper]

The true canon ending

[@chriscoxdp]

I love how you switch between Adam sandler and Adam smasher

[@Mappster]

"Your new life awaits" is something like a Blade Runner reference "A new life awaits you in the offworld colonies, the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure"

[@brandonbyrd1307]

Rogue also makes a brief cameo in ep 4 I believe during the sequence when David is training to be a better Edgerunner

[@Mizzle420420]

Also in the opening art scene there is a reference to the show "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?". David is depicted looking like "The Creeper" or "Mr Hyde" from the OG "Scooby-Doo" cartoon. This might be because Mr Hyde is obviously from Dr. Jeckle and Mr Hyde. Where the Dr uses body altering science to turn himself into a monster

[@forlornme]

V lives in megabuilding 10 (China town) David lives in megabuilding 4 (Santo Domingo)

[@bumperjumper]

Could they be owned by the same landlord? The similarities in apartments are uncanny

[@forlornme]

@@bumperjumper Different landlords in a totally different part of the city. Are you purposely acting dumb or you just not getting it??

[@SapphirosCZ]

The reason why Smasher looks weaker in CP2077 than in Edgerunners is mostly due to CP2077 poorly showing growth of V. When you play the game, you dont really notice it but when you look at the game progress retrospectively (especially if you did most of side missions), you notice how V grew from pretty average merc with gun, that couldnt kill single Arasaka ninja to total monster capable of easily wiping entire armies and MaxTac units. Even if you play without installing chromes, just leveling up your character is upgrading V. The theory is that the Silverhand chip is constantly altering V´s body, making it stronger (which is ingame seen as leveling up), but that also makes it less compatible with V´s psyche, which is why V is dying from it. So the reason why at the end of game you can single handedly murder Smasher is that V simply became more monstrous than him.

[@bumperjumper]

V becoming more monstrous than Smasher should’ve been emphasized more. There are so many profound moments that 2077 should’ve placed more focus on, I agree

[@dootdoot3888]

Yea in the start I felt weak as shit having to constantly be behind cover or throwing knives to get through fights, then by the end of it I was killing maxtac for half an hour just for fun without an issue

[@bumperjumper]

@@dootdoot3888 LOL rafal jaki described the game as being a power fantasy at some point

[@danielbear3802]

I like Maine being David's dad 100% that is one of the best I have heard

[@bumperjumper]

Do you think it’s convincing? Or just a fun theory

[@danielbear3802]

I think convincing, how else would she know him and to add to it I say she was part of his crew ie medic, till she fell pregnant with David then she tried to get her life on track so david would grow up better and not have to struggle like she did

[@ozmul5810]

I don't thank the end was a simulation simply because we can find Rebeccas gun close to where she died. As well as the in-game conversation with Falco, where he leaves us Davids Jacket with El Capitan. If that isn't enough, the fact that the David Martenez drink exist at the Afterlife means there is confirmation he didn't make it. Thoe I will admit his Parallele with Johny Silverhand is interesting. Minus David wasn't a Sleezy Drug addled Rocker anarchist. Johny only remembers his part of the Raid on Arasaka, but forgot that he didn't come up with the plan. Silverhand was part of one of several squads that day.

[@4k51.]

Just a theory but cyberpsychosis could be just regular psychosis induced by improper use of muscle memory. Having a faulty implant or installation could cause the cyberware to malfunction a good while after installation ( think of the mr. Stud mission, where you gotta bring that guy to a ripperdoc) as such either the body or chrome reacts in a bad way some time after it has been attached to you. And even if there's no fault with either, having a body adapt to a foreign object as an extension takes a toll on one's brain. Not to say brains aren't adaptable, in some cases they are too adaptable, just like the cases with the funny swirly videos that impact your vision. But unlike those videos where if you look away you turn back to normal, having a bucket with cannon ammo as an arm permanently twists the way you interract with your body. Now considering one may have plenty of implants that react to the neuronal system or even impulses from the brain trying to adapt to the chrome, at some point if you are exposed only to fight or die situations, your behaviour will adapt accordingly. So lets say next time a friend greets you, first thing your implant does is to go off, bam, your pal's head is mush cuz of a gorilla arm knuckle, a more suitable way to react to an assailent, or your mantis blades go off while you try to shake someone's hand. It's not a matter of losing your mind, is your attachments acting in the way they have been trained. Sometimes they outright dont do what you want, think of Maine's cannon or the last time you chocked on your own saliva. Losing control of your body, plus the stress of always being near death or even harming your close ones can make anybody's mind weaken and at some point they no longer think, they just exist and the body goes through the motions, psyche traumatized to the point of breaking. Think of Pilar's situation, the psycho may not have wanted to do harm, but to pushbPilar away, when he aimed for the crew he might have wanted to raise his hands in defense, but his mind was no longer in control and his body was going through the motions, fight or die - no inbetween. So ya, cyberpsychosis to me seems like just regular psychosis. Some embrace it and adapt, others shut themselves in and hallucinate, some are inbetween these two states. But hey, its just a theory.

[@bumperjumper]

So going along with this, having the highest quality, “properly-functioning/properly-wired” chrome would basically eliminate any chance of violence as a result of chrome? It’s an interesting thought. I like your theory a lot. It wouldn’t cure psychosis, but would allow the user to remain in full control of their body

[@4k51.]

@@bumperjumper i wouldn't say it eliminates any and all chances, but greatly diminishes. Outliers can still exist, such as Lizzy Wizzy, technically she should have access to the best tech and docs, however i recall a line of hers saying "shit these hands, sometimes i just brush something and sparks fly" Considering how her quest ends, she surely isn't thinking straight. Despite affording the best tech on the market and docs, she clearly is affected by her chromed up body. Either the finest tech is for the elites, like Arasaka, and the rest of the world gets faulty cyberware, but the side effects arent bugs at all, they are 'features', OR her brain adapted to the tech and now the faintest touch is recognized as pain, shes just an idiot for not deactivating pain modules (alternatively she doesnt just to feel remnants of a human body)

[@lrdplays1943]

3:50 « since he got merkt by Adam Sandler » 😂😂😂

[@bumperjumper]

;)

[@kboi1170]

2:04 is actually very curious. The official Cyberpunk lore states that the moon is home to two very prosperous cities, these cities grew in popularity after the residents of outer space declared their independence from the “European Economic Community”. Maybe it’s propaganda? Maybe the corpos don’t want anyone to know that the moon is actually a fairly nice place?

[@bumperjumper]

The idea that it’s propaganda makes sense; I doubt corpos would want people fleeing to the moon. Great observation!

[@nerose274]

The Highriders took control of Luna and they are very very anti corps That's why in 2077 they declared Luna "in crisis"

[@vulturekay2902]

I'm begging to see edgerunners expand the idea of rockerboys

[@AlcoholAndAnimeNight]

Poor Adam Sandler getting blamed for everything.

[@nugget9458]

David's not stuck in a simulation his jacket would have never been recovered

[@Warrior2044]

10:07 And the bullet whole. Have you seen Kill Bill? The bride get shot in the head but to the side of the head which put her in a coma for 4 years until she wakes up in the hospital. David could wake up as a lab rat and get brainwashed to work for Arasaka and the memory for his mother wanting him to work for Arasaka could be one of those ways to brainwash him until Lucy snaps him back into his senses by kissing him and he finds out Arasaka killed his mother.

[@bumperjumper]

Yeah other people have mentioned that David’s memories could be manipulated to serve Arasaka’s interests which would be really heartbreaking to see. Hopefully Lucy would be able to free him and they can stick it to Arasaka

[@Warrior2044]

@@bumperjumper Yes! That’s exactly what I was thinking!

[@w3lcom39]

That sounds a little too cliche imo

[@KuroHebi]

3:53 Adam Sandler be murking juiced-up cyberpsychoes.

[@kenny.m.olsen95]

Sandevistation, chuck norris, adam sandler 💀💀💀💀

[@tommituomaalajr2099]

They anounced a season 2 só i think that David Isn't dead but hes a construct like johny

[@crazynip]

Every time you say Adam Sandler I can’t get the image out of my head 😂

[@crvcrfing]

V DOES NOT live in David’s apartment. Why? 1. V (Punk) comes from Heywood and then moves to Watson to megabuilding H10. David lived in H4. 2. All megabuildings are prefabricated so it’s obvious they’ll share same interior etc. Please do some research before jumping to conclusions

[@timmyturnner7623]

I don’t think AS wouldn’t have left anything of David as he most likely wouldn’t araska to replace him with David if it came to it

[@Small_Fry_shop]

Cyberpsychosis quick hack in the game is more likely giving the enemy falls visual information to attack comrade and it causes the person to commit suicide if there's no target that is not a symptom of regular cyberpsychosis

[@DoctorJ48]

David was in mega building 4 in Santo Domingo, Arroyo. And V lived in mega building 10 in little china. Similar rooms but that's probably due to similar building plans.

[@Silaan]

While there may be some parallels between David and Johnny, the entire idea is bunk the second you note the little detail that Johnny's memories are false. The real Johnny got cut in half via autoshotgun fire from Smasher, which made it possible for Shaytan to get Smasher caught up in a fight, which then made it so Rogue and Spider could flee - and Spider was it who used Soulkiller on Johnny's corpse. The one who ended up having a fight with Smasher in the end wasn't Johnny, nor did Smasher care too much about the Rockerboy - Smasher was after Blackhand. What came of their fight isn't known, as far as I am aware. As for the Cyberpsychosis quickhack: that one actually exists in game and is a very powerful, deadly quickhack. It induces a faux cyberpsychotic state in the victim, leading to them going on a rampage attacking everyone, regardless if they are friend or foe - when the quickhack ends or there simply is nobody around to attack, it has the same effect as the Su-c-de quickhack. ...I am not quite sure why you'd use it on a robot, tho... certainly not my first choice for robo enemies.

[@VladSuperKat]

In episode 1 if you payed attention you would see the medics going to the save the pacient in the apartment from Cyberpunk 2077 Demo :))

[@S1l_v2r]

You can throw the syberpsychosis theory out of the window. Although it is possible there's someone or something causing some of the cyberpsychosis cases to happen, it is mostly coused by other reasons, such as overuse of syberware and drugs. The reason Sasha has such a quick hack that causes syberpsychosis is way easier to understand once you actually read the shards you get from all the syberpsychos cases in the game. Some of them barely had any syberware and were top level net runners that overdid with net running or fell into traps in the net that led to them losing their mind. With that information you can understand that cyberware is not the only source of syberpsychosis in the universe, and in fact there are talented enough net runners that come up with unique quick hacks that can make someone go syberpsycho for a short time, like we see with Tanya.

[@S1l_v2r]

And it is also known that all maxtac personal are post syberpsychos that underwent therapy to get somewhat cured from it. Just pointing this out

[@meloncholylife]

Adam Sandler is Adam Smasher

[@DAEDRICswat]

There is a couple of already wrong fact there. We know which building David lives in. And it's not the same as V. All the appartment in there a very similar in the mega blocks. Also. What David experience is not a DB after episode 5. Confirmed by the in-game quest related to Edgerunner.

[@spartan3294]

There's a mission from El' Capitan where you get David's jacket and get a text from supposedly David. Edit: Not David, Not David. I'm wrong!!!!

[@ionobru]

Wait wdym you get a text from david

[@spartan3294]

@@ionobru Sorry I was mistaken, it's not David, it was a member of David's gang ( I forget the name) After doing another playthrough I noticed my error.

[@gaslone79]

0:54 "Adam Sandler's weaponry", lol. Can't believe no one else caught that.

[@nkabc5]

Mathew mercer (falco) and Paul Nakauchi (tanaka) also did voices for characters in overwatch (Cassidy and Hanzo)

[@paradoxfacter8707]

While it would be pretty awesome to see a season two I doubt they would make it otherwise they would have to add more Easter eggs, weapons, outfits, etc.

[@Jakau-q8i]

In my opinion, season 2, if it's even getting released, may be a completely separate story with all the other character. It's pretty possible that Rafał may actually make a new story. Something like in True Detective where each season is a completely different story.

[@BEN24024]

God i am SO invested in this universe and story it would kill me if there never will be a s2

[@bumperjumper]

Same :/

[@darkstar521]

While i not agree on theory that David is still alive, I also noticed that Lucy is on some kind "moon tour", like holidays or weekend, and its obvious when they show you these big screens. So i am not convinced that she stays there, more like she wants to honor memory of David and fullfill his last wish. A settler who wants to stay and leave Earth do not need to pay some high amount cash for "moon tour". On the other hand...there is nothing on Earth and in Night City for her. Except deadly corporation which want silent her forever for the secrets she knows. P.S. Lucy is "Lucyna" in polish language. The old meaning from latin is "the one who is bringing the light"... Like Lucypher. But in this context is more like bringing the hope. It might be mean that Lucy is light, a lighthouse with hope and guidance for the rest of edgerunners, showing that they might leave this deadly city, and look for quiet and happiness elsewhere. But still, "moon tour". Yeah, its confusing much. And while i didnt play the game (not yet) i heard that in a matter of fact, it confirms that there are moon cities, with both arisaka and militech facilities... So moon is not as safe for Lucy as you might think.

[@colorfulcheshire4181]

gonna need some arm upgrades if I wanna make reaches this far, too

[@ace3154]

Knowing the way cd project red works the final boss of the upcoming cyberpunk dlc is gonna a completely gonked David that will say things like "to the moon" or " I made it to the top mom are you happy"

[@wutangxprodigy]

Did anyone else realize this dude said Adam Sandler ?!!

[@NoChill_Gill]

1:20 ever seen that movie Elysium? Remember that tech that reconstructed that man face after getting his face blown off by a grenade?

[@Surge127-h7l]

here's a update spanish netflix already confirmed cyberpunk edgerunners season 2 is coming

[@ionobru]

Not season 2, a diff anime show which will be a spin-off of it

[@lunchboxbandits]

You can use cyberpsychosis in the game. Its extra fun using it on cop mechs near cops

[@luisrael7624]

0:54 Adam Sandlers weaponry seems full of surprises 🤣🤣