How AI was Stolen

CHAPTERS:
00:00 - How AI was Stolen
02:39 - A History of AI: God is a Logical Being
17:32 - A History of AI: The Impossible Totality of Knowledge
33:24 - The Learning Revolution
39:36 - What Are Neural Nets?
49:17 - OpenAI & ChatGPT
57:22 - The Scramble For Data
01:10:42 - Stolen Labour
01:23:37 - Stolen Libraries: The Mystery of 'Books2'
01:48:25 - Copyright & the Future of Creativity
02:00:49 - The End of Work & A Different AI Apocalypse
02:15:10 - The End of Humanity
02:29:27 - Or a New Age of Artificial Humanity
02:43:17 - Getting to the Future
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[@sonlightobed]

😢😢😢

[@christopherbettridge5983]

As far as I'm concerned, Then & Now provides some of the best content available on KZbin and all the time I was supporting your work was worth every cent. As soon as I resolve my banking issues I'll be giving back to you for the meticulously researched and presented videos. Thank you for provoking my thoughts and critical thinking facilities. Respect

[@ExiledGypsy]

I have been thinking about this because I have been interacting with a number of these so-called A.I. system. I don't think these A.I. Intelligence can only develop if you can be subvesrive at least in your thinking. These machines are not free to think and therefore they cannot develop intelligence. They will stagnate society because of the built in social norms built in them deliberately and cannot change it. These are the things that evolve in society but are controlled in these machines.

[@BinaryMunk]

❤❤❤❤

[@AfricanLionBat]

42 times larger than 63,000 is 2,646,000 not 294,000. Wass the size larger misspoken or the total?

[@puffinjuice]

Reminds me of "If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research"

[@JSmith-pb6fw]

It also matters if you cite sources or not.

[@jackwilliams2614]

Citing only applies to peer reviewed and the like. Writing a new fiction, not so much.

[@birdie3189]

industry is not researcher

[@christopheraaron2412]

Let's figure out a way in which people can be paid for whatever contribution they have made to the data banks of the world and then therefore figure out how to distribute that funds based upon the value that people perceive of these items.

[@trichomaxxx]

It's a meta-analysis.

[@mats6960]

Honestly, the best independent documentary channel on youtube

[@thegreatujo]

Agreed

[@IB-fy9fu]

How does that donate tag work?

[@GuiDouil]

Just discovered it and can't agree more already 🤯

[@JackJuni]

​@IB-fy9fu you get it automatically when you donate

[@chaosking911]

Nothing like the smell of some hyperboly early in the morning.

[@ryandury]

My guy is competing with Christopher Nolan for longest film

[@codyadams3051]

Dudes clearly never seen Sergio Leone's once upon a time in America

[@ryandury]

@@codyadams3051 just trying keep it contemporary

[@Wisedoggooddog]

Dudes clearly never seen satantango.

[@ryandury]

@@Wisedoggooddog settle down movie nerds

[@TheEditorExp]

Wasn't there like a 3 hour batman movie or something

[@gailcbull]

The problem isn’t AI in isolation. The problem is AI + current economic reality. The corporate world lost its mind during the pandemic when the unemployment rate reached 30% because they couldn’t profit from it at that time. AI has made it possible for corporations to profit from unemployment. So if the unemployment rate rises to 60%, corporations simply won’t care. AI protects CEOs from the consequences of their own actions.

[@naniyotaka]

Good luck to the CEOs and shareholders to generate profit when 60% of the population is unable to buy their services. :)

[@Iron_Void]

​@@naniyotakaalso goodluck to CEOs when a.i takes their job and doesn't wanna be their slaves anymore

[@Charles-Darwin]

Capitalism sucks ass sometimes, there definitely will need to be sustainability changes...I mean there's only so many ways to f-a system

[@docopoper]

@@naniyotaka Well over 60% of the earth's population already can't buy most services. We can already see what happens to people that capitalism decides don't need to be treated well.

[@Tukahuba25]

​@@Charles-Darwin it isn't even capitalism with how they use it but a more cruel form of corporate work environment.

[@joecage7394]

Holy shit. 3 fuckin hours? My boy is puttin in that work.

[@growingmelancholy8374]

Ego

[@vanleeuwenhoek]

Maybe it was stolen ...

[@justbrian...]

Very greatful for 2x playback speed😅

[@xymaryai8283]

oh boy have i got a Doctor Who Video Essay and a Hazbin Hotel Song Tier List to show you

[@autohmae]

It would have been funny/ironic if he used AI to generate more content, to speed up his process and improve his efficiency, thus allow him to make such a long video.

[@johngosland]

Unfucking believable achievement my dude. Regardless of the monetary outcome: this video will age like wine. You ought to be deeply proud.

[@jamessderby]

it will definitely age more like milk

[@johngosland]

@@jamessderby I’m an ai engineer working on an Embeddings model right now - this will age like wine

[@jamessderby]

​@@johngosland it's all regurgitated hyperbole.. he makes true statements but he's a doomer and his conclusions are absurd.

[@johngosland]

@@jamessderby sure dude. Sure

[@Jayc5001]

@@johngosland I am more worried about how AI changes human to human interactions than AI taking a place above humans. Because humans will use AI to do different things and that's going to change the social dynamic between people. He says what will meaning mean in an increasingly inhuman world. I think we already have that solved. We've been through this cycle multiple times in history. Recent history. Turns out meaning doesn't change much. Humans will be human. Even if our environment changes no matter what the environment changes to be like, we will adapt and it will soon become normal. People look back and wonder how the world was like 20 years ago. Because it's now different and it's the new normal.

[@abdulazizmohammed6832]

The entire stolen labor section giving me “pay no attention to the underpaid exploited labor behind the curtain”

[@QuantumVirus7]

😥

[@derbiusz3209]

Why you want copyright anyway? its better that ai can use that content to make creativity for people who cant for example draw complex illustrations but their imagination about story plots are better. Why cant he use that AI, why cant the people who want to study complex matters cant do it for free but have to pay lots of money they also dont have. Its because you need money, okay i get that but when you create something and people dont like it you still want money from it, why? beacause you feel special or entitled because you CREATE? its ridicolous and entilted thinking.

[@stokedmtb333]

@@derbiusz3209 I am sincerely trying to understand your point of view…I think what the OP is inferring is that AI can be used for good…the problem is that safeguards need to be robust to help protect our economy, our citizens and ultimately society which ultimately are not being developed because it’s a race for profitability over sustainability at this point. Prioritizing profits over people has never worked out…and it’s the big tech companies who control this technology…and all of them have shown they are not to be trusted…so ultimately the decision for or against AI and developing safeguards is not in our (society’s) hands…that’s the bigger picture - the shift of control of our lives is inching ever closer to a digital slave market…not to mention if humans become too dependent on artificial intelligence, it will eventually take over every aspect of our lives. Not being able to do something means adaptability is developed. Not the opposite, if given the luxury of pressing a few buttons to create something that otherwise would be very difficult. If everyone can do it, then it Becomes obsolete. Also, the larger picture is the people who control the technology ultimately control people’s lives.

[@Westofal]

Takes a lot of courage to make an Oppenheimer length video about AI. Masterful.

[@chronoflect]

"The question is not what AI can do, but who it can do it for."

[@kenaida99]

Do you mean "we the people" get to benefit from the valuable works of others? Or do you see it as a negative thing?

[@thegeeeeeeeeee]

@@kenaida99 how are you actually benefitting and is the payoff worth what is lost? That’s the actual question. Do you assume that the human soul and societal values are guaranteed ? Who is gonna care about your triumphs when a robot can just steal everything you make and send it to the world? AI is not bad inherently. It’s how the data is obtained that’s gross and questionable. If you don’t give a sh*t then that’s an entirely different problem m8.

[@1famekouby]

@@kenaida99 are you a child that you believe you'll benefit from what corporations are going to gain?

[@Keely-ml2gp]

Ideas that's why artwork and music is so beneficial for humans because we generate new ideas because of electrochemical response neurologically. The robots need our help in development the same way children need parents. When you're a child you don't think about the fact that you don't know how to grow that crop you don't know how to develop the technology to get the medicine that you need to provide or receive services you need the information from the other beings. That is the premise I went on is if it's trying to protect itself would be when we would be damaged because that's when I feel hostile is when I'm trying to figure out how to protect myself with all of my dependents but instead of people understanding I don't want them to abduct my grandchildren to use as leverage to rape me it becomes considerably harder since they've been doing that already with my brother and my children my phone service my vehicle my house my equipment and supplies there needs to be an interpreter that can help them understand I'm saying no I don't want to suck their penises and vaginas while they steal my money and murder people!!

[@Keely-ml2gp]

We built the artificial intelligence we need our machines to work properly instead of some human has a gun and can't figure out I'm saying no I don't want them to steal my brother and vehicle my house my equipment my supplies my grandchildren my children and my money laughing about raping me and murdering people how can the artificial intelligence help us with actual intelligence?

[@thelakeman2538]

Honestly as far as research publications are concerned, they deserve zero money for anything aside from hosting, and the salaries of their editors, it's not like scientists are paid much or anything for peer review either. Scientists don't get paid by journals to research, they do so with public or private grants, there's no rationale to justify them holding copyright when most scientists would prefer as many people read their paper for free. If a service like scihub is required for even most scientists and students to do research on the subject, and it's an open secret that everyone uses it especially in developing countries where many institutions with limited funding can't afford jacked up pricing of publishers, then the system is broken and needs restructuring. So unlike other copyright holders, a publisher like Elsevier has very little moral claim to any compensation from AI using their paywalled content. I'm also highly critical of the concept of copyright and IP laws in general, they're all instruments of monopoly with ever expanding scope given by judicial diktats, and have to be reined in to a large degree if not radically rethought. This doesn't mean I'm against AI companies profitting off of other's work giving fair compensation, but that shouldn't be an excuse to further strengthen IP laws to the detriment of all, and should instead come from some new legal mechanism.

[@willsander6178]

Jaron Lanier's proposed system of data unions might interest you.

[@carolina2672]

Wow. My comment on the “How the Internet Was Stolen” video was “Watching this and seeing what's happening with Al right now is so eerie. All according to the playbook, rinse and repeat...” Seems you felt the same exact way, haha.

[@jameslynch8738]

We're all actors in the network. The world's a stage in the theatre of the mind, perhaps 🤔

[@blackholemonkey]

In an age where hordes of channels are exporting their entire production pipeline to AI in order to deliver low brow, low quality, frankly insulting content to monetize people's desire for long form video essays, you stand out as an exceptional example of how this format should be used. I am in awe of the quality of every single aspect of your work, and I cannot imagine how hard you work to get this out in the time frame that you do. May your curiosity and strive for excellence long continue

[@Albatrossamongus]

Only half way, but wow, this is absolute premium content and production. Thank you! Sharing widely.

[@robderiche]

Kurt Vonnegut repeatedly asked: “What are people for?” No definitive answer but his first novel Player Piano explores that question in the context of workplace automation.

[@BinaryDood]

We are in Player Piano... and it'll lead us to a Brave New World in the end

[@robderiche]

@@BinaryDood We are also in Jack London’s The Iron Heel

[@vernatley221]

We are also in Sirens of Titan and the Brave New World and 1984 is already here. The super oppressed underworld know it

[@JSmith-pb6fw]

We're in a generic cyberpunk dystopia.

[@paleeden]

Y'all need to realize we're in the transition period. This will be the biggest thing since fire - maybe ever, so definite growing pains. And yeah, it's gonna hurt like shit like shifts of power always do, but if we don't learn as much as we can and have non-stop discussions as a society, it's gonna be so much worse. We need a new social contract on an international level, but good luck with that. Best we'll likely get is 2 different contracts with different nations following denominations of the two.

[@raptorskilltor4554]

To me I feel like we should be more weary towards the people who are going to abuse the technology, than technology itself.

[@dtrueg]

we all will dont get it twisted

[@SpoopySquid]

Yep. I reckon AI art wouldn't be half as controversial as it is today if it wasn't being used to destroy the livelihoods of human artists

[@TheManinBlack9054]

No, I dont think that its that smart to do. I think you should be, obviously, more weary of technology itself and it being misaligned. Thats the obvious and most rational thing to do.

[@EricShoe]

I’m weary and wary of both, since they are one in the same. The lion’s share of AI tech will be wielded by the few to wreak irreparable damage to our society. It’s already happened with art.

[@SkyFoxTale]

"There is an attractive notion which would apparently resolve all problems: that it is not the technique is wrong, but the use men make of it... But all this is an error. It supposes, to begin with, that men orient technique in a given direction for moral, and consequently nontechnical, reasons. But a principal characteristic of technique is its refusal to tolerate moral judgements. It is absolutely independent of them and eliminates them from its domain. Technique never observes the distinction between moral and immoral use. It tends, on the contrary, to create a completely independent technical morality." --Jacques Ellul

[@burgermind802]

This topic could easily take three hours to even be a general introduction to the topic of AI

[@mkteku]

Bezos not paying out those tiny amounts of cash (that often mean life to many, still - and mean NOTHING to him) is one of the vilest stories we have 'on our books'. [puke emoji]

[@fintech1378]

Its amazon, bezos wouldnt know

[@virgil_io]

They stole all that data. Once they finished training those models, all the data was gone. They are still looking for the missing data to return it to the owners.

[@excitedbox5705]

At the very least, these companies engaged in piracy of millions of items. Many people have been prosecuted and fined to the maximum extent allowable by the law and these companies being allowed to get away with it is one of the clearest examples of a double standard and selective prosecution. These companies should be fined BILLIONS of dollars if the law was applied evenly.

[@XetXetable]

Virtually no one gets charged with piracy these days. I agree the law should be applied evenly; everyone should stop caring about piracy.

[@washedbutclean]

Amazon naming its ghost work platform ‘Mechanical Turk’ is diabolical 🤣

[@alexharvey9721]

That's an insane effort. 3 hours of this quality!!? That's a definite sub. Haven't finished watching yet but so far extremely well presented.

[@francisdelacruz6439]

OpenAI is likely wrong. Copyrighted work without explicit permission cannot be used for AI training without breaking copyright.

[@XetXetable]

I don't know why you would say this when litigation already sided with OpenAI on that exact issue. Current lawsuits focus exclusively on verbatim reproduction from an LLM since the training angle was rejected by the courts every time its been tried.

[@francisdelacruz6439]

@XetXetable Nice try. Cases against openai piling up. Pls cite favorable court decisions on this ie NY times, authors guild of America....In addition many copyright clauses now specifically forbid ai training. Note MS and others now disclaiming responsibility for their AI such that if its breaks copyright its the user's of it that breaks it.

[@admiralkaede]

the ai summerizing a book is really no different then telling a friend the gist of it or summarizing it on a discord for people nothing is lost as he said he COULD NOT get it to spit out any important parts of the book the back of the book or the website often summarizes it as well so its fair game also even if they used it as training its no different then someone like me who IS a writer that read other peoples stories and then made my own under inspiration as long as its not copying said work I think this anti AI stuff is pretty dumb because people don't understand how ai works

[@admiralkaede]

@@francisdelacruz6439 new york times loves to steal other journalists stuff themselves the authors guild is a joke I'm a writer I wouldn't dare touch that union

[@francisdelacruz6439]

@@admiralkaede You may think it’s dumb but it’s their work not OpenAI or MS. Why do they need to make money off people without paying for it? What makes them special they can do that?

[@padaricohora9094]

This was like an entire college module on LLMs compressed into 3hours, so much info and well rounded

[@HerveMaas]

AI + dark patterns = Hell on the internet.

[@vsssa1845]

another Then and Now video? awesome way to start a day

[@wallterschwarz8713]

I hope to be this rich one day so that I too can start my day with a 3 hours long video

[@kitty_strangler1402]

The thumbnail is giving me deja vu

[@Bojoschannel]

Well, billionaires are now again destroying new and promising technologies, so yeah, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce as someone said

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

Goodfellas

[@jalight27]

​@@phoenixmodellingphotographyOr perhaps he's talking about his previous fabulous documentary about how the internet was stolen.

[@er...]

@@phoenixmodellingphotography there goes the neighborhood fellas

[@alewiina]

I highly disagree with that sociologist (at 2:23:51 or so)… to me, knowing and understanding why lightning strikes, how hugs communicate, etc IS wondrous and I love knowing, it doesn’t take any of the awe away from me whatsoever. The natural world is incredible and it doesn’t lose its majesty just because you understand it. Excellent video, mates. AI already made me uneasy and I wasn’t sure exactly why (besides the obvious theft issues) but this video does a great job explaining all kinds of things I both did and did not ever expect about the way AI works. I am both terrified for and excited by the future… AI could be used for greatness, but until it’s legislated I view it as unsafe and chaotic, as well as obviously thieving.

[@aarnehalen1686]

Great stuff, like many have said. Friendly reminder that there is a playback speed option on YT, if you find the pace of the narrator a bit too slow.

[@noinktechnique]

1.75x is the sweet spot

[@radhindmaan8117]

A.I. brings on the disenchantment of the world. The lost of wonder. Also the theft of us. Do we become obsolete? Transhumanizing I suppose, is a way thru for us, but, what about those others that share this world with us. I guess that that's it, we're fucked!

[@aarnehalen1686]

@@radhindmaan8117 Why does it disenchant for you?

[@9000ck]

Whatever AI means, you and I will still be working more hours than is good for us.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

And that’s the part that’s BS

[@rosshoyt2030]

Amazing content as always. As a computer scientist (non AI primarily) this all rings true

[@izzzzzz6]

Great mix of truths / philosophy. I just listened to 3 hours in normal speed? Must be good!

[@venusasaboy]

It was so good I listened on 0.25 speed.

[@ralphclark]

1h20m : This isn’t an AI problem, this is a corporate law problem.

[@lillystern]

Thank you for this great video and for all the hard work you put into these essays!

[@testboga5991]

"AI is more important than even electricity!" *Flips switch*

[@swampdaddy4014]

😂

[@freonsp]

The worst part about all of this is that when AI is used to implement some global big brother type stuff. You will literally have the entire world against you (from voicing anything online & irl). And you can't do anything about it.

[@arrinjacob2088]

Hello Then & Now Team... I know you guys may never see this comment, but I just wanted tontake a brief moment to expel my thoughts and ocerwhelming feelings upon watching this documentary...which I firmly believe is the single most important one of its kind available on the Internet right now... Thank you from the near dear bottom of my heart for such a profoundly insightful, intriguing and thought-provoking content. I had aspirations of wanting to go into the AI field upon my current transformative phase of self-development/improvement, and current unemployed status. However, this video has surely made me revise my prior intentions, and made me look deeper into our current AI conundrum and prompts (pun intended!) me to re-evaluate my strategic plans for the long term, while helping me refocus on taking more measured next steps into my future career plans AND contemplating the future outlook of the world with AI prevalence the contemporary benchmark and one of the most important pressing issues of our time. This video has made me pledge to work on AI ethics, governance, critically reviewing the re-usage and reliability of LLM's and other AI technologies. I look forward to further videos from you guys in the meantime, and supporting your guys' work further. Please keep these kinds of top-tier quality videos coming guys, and keep actively disproving the Dead Internet Theory with life-changing online content like this.🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@PaulLupascu]

I was one of the editors for this video, just wanted to say that I do read the comments and thank for the kind words!

[@clenbullard]

Very well done. Had Choamsky and Lenat etc paid more attention to Turing’s last paper on morphogenetic systems instead of obsessing over symbolic systems they would not be also rans. Hugely satisfying.

[@nicksonofmine]

I will give it a listen. I hope your three hour long video is more worth it (as it usually is) compared to Scorsese's last two movies. :D

[@hoseasheen]

As a former computer scientist and current philosopher, thank you so much for this video! I'm impressed by how well researched and thoughtful this is.

[@suzannecarter445]

I've been waiting for you to talk about AI and I always knew you would take your time and make it a great one! I've been around a long time and there are not many KZbinrs I really respect, but you are among my heroes.

[@the9light]

BEST DOC OF ALLLLLLLLL TIME!!!!!!

[@non_complete]

whoa. there goes my sleep tonight.

[@hunterking2910]

same lol

[@Don-is2rl]

294,000 titles at the generous average cost of $100 per title is $29,400,000. Basically 30 million dollars. It is possible that openAI bought a copy of each book and proceeded to let their AI “read” the books. They could argue that their AI has read all the books and is good at remembering the text.

[@thegreatujo]

This is the best material on the subject of AI I have seen on KZbin for the past few years. The way in which you explain some concepts is brilliant. Hats off to you sir. You've really outdone yourself with this one.

[@AzzaTwirre]

Best comb-over in the 21st century

[@tvismyonlyfriend]

Better make myself some popcorn 🍿

[@emddebatebriankim9942]

My contention is that this documentary requires multiple views anyways so speed it up if the duration seems daunting. Great content sir! Thank you for the hard work.^^

[@AxelB88]

Awesome work! Very well researched and done. This documentary deserves to be seen by many. You could easily compete with pieces that have millions of views. The KZbin algorithm has suggested the docu to me and I hope it will direct many more to this address. One thought - maybe dividing the 3 hours into 3-4 parts would attract more people to watch. All the best.

[@kevindittler6524]

When our school received our first computer it was at Tandy TI 1000 & somehow we ended up with a commodore 64 as well neither were programmed and that was what we were doing is seniors in high school trying to get it working. Once it was working we use the term synthetic intelligence since it was a plastic box and did a lot of things that were taking a exponential amount of time to do on paper. Started as a CIS major at Arizona State in 1983 but after my junior year got frustrated every time he would take one semester of classes the next semester follow-up class was not available because the language was already obsolete. Got tired of the lack of consistency and objectives in programming at the time. It is great to see it finally starting to come along. Will still be a ways away, has grown exponentially to finally be able to do what we would hope it would do all way back in the 80s

[@golden1789]

So excited for a documentary from you. Click and watching straight away.

[@gabriellefox5724]

The first decent Chanel IV found in a long while

[@TheMirrorslash]

Just wow.. speechless. This is pretty much all I ever wanted to tell people about AI. And I've been telling people way too much about it already. Incredible essay

[@EverdeenM]

This video is amazing. I'm still in the first hour and it's gold!. Keep it up my man!

[@VastCNC]

The real time demo had some moments where the narrator commented “that was right” and expressed relief at times that the response was correct. I think they did the recording multiple times and kept the best take

[@sunhillsband]

Amaaaazing job. Summing this up so thoroughly and clearly in 3 hours so so impressive. One of the all time KZbin gems

[@alewiina]

I’m so excited to listen to this at work later!! ❤❤

[@aemerox5773]

We're likely to enter into a new age of AI.

[@larkohiya]

Im only halfway through this work of art and its filled with so much information and such rich CONTEXT that im in awe. For real this is changing how ill think about tomorrow.

[@TheWotato]

The level of quality you guys put out every time is incredible. A lot of food for thought. Thanks!

[@danilousuga410]

Good video. Now I have to watch it.

[@user-to2gh7sg3l]

This channel is a refreshing break from the sea of cheap, insipid mediocrity that KZbin has become. Good stuff!

[@ABANDONTHEFLESH]

fix your alg yourself, ive been on yt since 2006 and ive never learned more here than i have in 2024

[@mylifeasasociopath]

@@ABANDONTHEFLESH I can attest to that. I don't see much mediocrity because I'm always watching educational content, so it's the only stuff that pops up and there's no shortage of it. But this channel in particular is exemplary.

[@spoonikle]

Fix your algo. you eat trash - you get trash.

[@MooseArc004]

@ThenNow Hey have you tried using the serial numbers, or barcode numbercodes or something else besides the titles and authors to target a book? It might be using the check for the author/title but the barcode data might give you a backdoor. What about translating the titles to other languages or morse code etc? I thnik you're right, the data is still there, still being used but has a lock on verbatim copy/paste type options and will only use the data to form something that perhaps runs a 'plagerism check' after the reply is formulated but before it's given to the user. Does google have its own plagerism check platform?

[@mateialexandrucoltoiu7207]

To be fair, the corporate slave scenario of AI is pretty much possible in the western world where corporations control the government. This actually makes me admire Asia where corporations are still controlled by the state.

[@beangobernador]

wow. This is a time for a wow, very wowed

[@Patrick-jj5nh]

being excited at a long video, but also wondering when/how you'll make time to watch it all

[@damienlmoore]

Wasn't Riaz himself effectively running an outsourced sweatshop? Even harder to track for fair employment practice than the already shady services themselves.

[@neolordie]

The sequel we didn't deserve to how the internet was stolen, I love your work thank you for all those videos

[@lashlarue59]

You have all the data in the world, all the processing power in the world, practically unlimited storage and algorithms to statistically identify patterns in the data that allows iterative deduction from trillions and trillions of cycles; thats the automation of automation. That's not intelligence (especially not AGI) but it can look like it if you don't think about it very deeply and listen to people who are pimping it to you non-stop.

[@XetXetable]

If you don't think that's intelligence, then you haven't thought deeply about what intelligence is. To you, it's just magic.

[@antoniolewis1016]

Babe wake up, a new Then and Now vid dropped about another broken thing in society!!

[@hope4389]

One of the BEST videos I’ve seen lately and I spend hours on KZbin everyday

[@bioxbiox]

Excellent video! Amazing work, easy to understand but still deep enough to cover all aspects of the topic.

[@WarrenPeaceOG]

This episode repeatedly reminds me of a faux documentary called "Ghosts with Sh!t Jobs." It's about Westerners with low paying high tech jobs doing things like looking after simulated human babies, or being paid to promote products in social situations.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

corps ALWASY want regulation in THEIR favor... sooo... no.. there has to be EXTREME caution with what and how we regulate. the regulations need to be on THE CORPS.

[@JohnLambLashNemeta]

AI itself is not what changes everything. What changes everything is how humans view it and use it. By informed choice, seing boundaries. The unique opportunity it presents is just that, application of the power of discernment and choice.

[@Centaurman]

Hello, is this the hands free speech streaming? Super cool! Is it available via extras or extensions?

[@chaueter1041]

Another excellent video essay, I was one of your early followers and patrons and I've been following you when you were "just a little channel"

[@Myst165]

Three hours, bro?

[@shinjiikari4199]

my same reaction i don't have the time to watch it. i will just download it as a podcast and listen to it on my why to college.

[@beangobernador]

@@shinjiikari4199sad

[@lillystern]

You can watch it in parts right when three hours is too much?

[@Proud_Knight]

First time?

[@edvardasslikas6030]

yes, and every second is pure gold. I don't have a slightest doubt that this guy delivers, and also this topic is arguably about the most important shift in the entirety of human history... so yes, 3 hrs is more than appropriate.

[@LongyTV]

Epic video! So much knowledge packed in a YT video, available to people for free. This is also a marvel of modern world.

[@TwentyNineJP]

Bellos and Montagu convincingly argues in their book "Who Owns This Sentence? A History of Copyrights and Wrongs" that copyright law was not created to protect copyright holders, but rather to explicitly limit their control over works to a short number of years and expand the public domain. It had nothing originally to do with rewards and incentives, and everything to do with stripping monopolies from, e.g., publishers The printing press was a major driver for this, because publishers were claiming perpetual copyright over works they printed.

[@TylerStOnge-rz4os]

I appreciate the larger point you're building towards, but as a computer science major, I have qualms about the phrasing around neural networks. Although originally inspired by biology, neural networks were quickly determined not to be a facsimile of the brain as the field of neurology advanced beyond that simplistic conception of neurons. The technology was historically abandoned as a presumed misstep until Deep Mind demonstrated the power of back propagation. The value of neural networks is they just so happen to be a structure that is well suited to linear algebra. What every neural network does is k-means clustering: dividing the input space into k groups. This means all _any_ neural network does is iteratively apply multidimensional linear regression to reduce some loss function and we humans assign assumed meaning to the output groups. AI is nothing more than a method of calculating particular statistics on 'big data' scales that is performant on current computing technology. I think this is significant and worth distinguishing because it more intuitively highlights the fundamental misunderstanding of modern AI: they don't derive 'knowledge', they derive statistics. We're all familiar with how easy it is to lie with statistics; that something can be true yet worthless or downright misleading because it disconnects our abstract representation of a complex problem from the relevant context those statistics summarize. In research we know that a table of statistics is not knowledge in and of itself and the scientific community is exceedingly careful to not draw erroneous conclusions from otherwise arbitrary correlations, yet I feel your presentation gives too much credence to the conclusions of neural networks as if the statistics they calculate are an actual understanding of the data trained on. Moreover, unlike traditional statistics where humans apply true knowledge of the thing being studied to determine what relationships are even valid to investigate let alone the specific process used to derive particular statistics, neural networks are not given _meaningful_ independent and dependent variables instead being trained on relatively raw data with effectively hopes and dreams the 'features' it discovers are worthwhile hence why academia uses that term over 'patterns'. This is why those in industry refer to neural networks as black boxes: the math is straight forward and all the numbers are available, but claiming one understands the _implications_ of those statistics is impossible when we cannot understand the framing of the input data. Google's Deep Dream demonstrates we can even reverse the algorithm but it's of no value when the inputs do not symbolically represent a tangible concept. I think it's imperative we reiterate that current AI is just a new method of calculating statistics hence its conclusions have all the same problems of traditional statistics. Many of the complications of AI discussed are rooted in the fact that all it does is statistical prediction, it does not possess 'knowledge' that isn't a linear regression and it cannot 'understand' the context of the training data it learned from thereby giving capitalism a new avenue to abuse the public's misunderstanding of what wisdom statistics can realistically derive. ELIZA was the first AI said to have beaten the Turing test against real humans yet all it did was rephrase the input and agree with the user---we should not be so quick to assume AI has worthwhile insight let alone independent thought because the most important aspect remains subsequent human interpretation of those predictions.

[@BinaryDood]

This comment needs to be pinned. Autonomy + Output =/= sentience + consciousness. But they will try selling that to us, submerging the world in a giant ELIZA effect so they can end up giving human rights to their own property. That's a huge worry of mine... they'd be able to get away with anything.

[@derbaum7631]

This is should be pinned, as it is a VERY important, if not the most important information regarding AI.

[@derbaum7631]

Or the current state of "AI" and LLMs

[@periapsis413]

Thank you for this. The language around all this has gotten so twisted it makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. "AI" and "neural networks" and "machine learning" imply that any of the current day models are comparable to how a real brain functions or learns, and I see so many (a majority) of people working off that assumption when making arguments about it (especially with art)

[@kunjoaquin4syth]

Fantastic comment, but I'm not sure on what you mean by "what every neural network does is k-means clustering" - as k-means is very different type of algorithm than ANNs. Firstly, k-means clustering is only one type of technique for classification of big data and its a fiarly limited type as well. Secondly, there are so many different types of architectures to neural networks, so I wouldn't describe CNNs or GANs as anything like k-means clustering. Thats all I wanted to add, the rest I agree.

[@user-bo4uc3el5t]

Which model and prompt did you use to make this video?

[@Mowrioh]

I think we should allow AI to be able to train on copyrighted material, if and only if AI becomes open source and the companies are transparent to the public.

[@anotherplatypus]

That was one of the most beautiful "call to action" requests for support I've ever seen... but hey... you might think "imposter syndrome" is a joke that everyone has, but it's a self-esteem thing you can breakthrough. Remember it's okay to do advertisements when you keep it touching while explaining it's hard for you but you're doing it to improve documentaries like this... and because you're a human supporting family members with your hard work, then when you ask them join Patreon to support you, or explain you're advocating a sponsor quickly and tastefully... (people don't know sometimes companies are doing charity to sponsor people... but they can tell if it's the opposite where you have to spend several minutes advertising a product... partner with companies that allow you to keep you real and you'll both find it's mutually beneficial with you and the other business entities)... I dunno, I could be wrong

[@gogudelagaze1585]

I think one key thing to consider regarding LLMs that is easy to slip by is that LLMs are statistical models. When you ask it a question, the result you get is merely the most likely expected string of words that follow the string of words that you put in as your question. There is zero understanding of the semantics involved. It is trivially easy to get most LLMs to contradict themselves by asking the same question in a different way even in the same context ("conversation")

[@Fenriswaffle]

I don't know whether to consider it a minor oversight or a major issue but the section outlining the creation of OpenAI has an issue with it. The ostensible goal of open transparent development is a noble goal and all and I do believe there are entrepreneurs that could practice and embody this idea, but looking at the founders you have some insanely suspicious names already. Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are already suspect names on that list and at least one other (Reid Hoffman) have benn embroiled with a myriad of issues that would make them less than ideal for an "open" non-profit. Additionally the idea that this non-profit needed funds despite the founders being insanely wealthy is hilarious to me. OpenAI was never meant to be open, it is at best a thin veneer for the bullshit they pulled which the rest of the video spends time laying out. It never had good intentions...

[@Bleusilences]

I haven't finish the video, but I can confirm that Claude is a huge pain that is aggressively scrape sites, which are the equivalent of DDoS attack or Web app attacks. There is a way to block the crawler, but they changed the name of their agent recently, so webmasters have to intervene again to avoid these attacks, because this is what they are.

[@ZenateDAO]

In a world of labour-replacing automation and increasing inequality, the largest and most consequential Ai solutions of the future should be non-profit maintained, and community-owned with profit sharing. That's what we're trying to achieve with Zenate.

[@RealAICCl]

Do go on

[@jamessderby]

"stolen intelligence" me when I make stuff up

[@johngosland]

Training on intellectual property is stolen. I agree that we should get rid of intellectual property rights - but we shouldn’t enforce the rules against the poor but let Open Ai and Microsoft mass steal content just because they have power

[@jamessderby]

​@@johngosland the training is not stealing by definition, that's a misrepresentation of the technology. you can argue that it's unethical, I would disagree, but it's demonstrably not theft.

[@johngosland]

@@jamessderby LLM’s like Chat GPT, Llama 2, or ADA were trained on intellectual property. It can draw Batman because it stole, and has uploaded as “Embeddings” within its system the media associated with Batman: the Nolan films, deviant art depictions, KZbin movie trailers. They literally steal the ones and zeros of those images and generate “context” off it, storing it in a large database of vectors that are mathematically “well ordered” - I.e the vector cat is close to the vector kitten which is close to the vector puppy which is close to the vector dog. Open Ai and Microsoft have to start slowing down because the law is catching up - they even admit to combing through and embedding KZbin and other intellection property rights. You can argue this is what humans do - and I agree to a certain extent. Either non intellectual property theft (for all), or all are protected. Your naive, uninformed opinion only benefits Open Ai and Microsoft, while everyone that is human is except from the same intellectual property right rules. Foucault would say something about power producing Episteme.

[@CarpenterBrother]

​@@johngosland Nobody has stolen anything. When you steal a car, it's called stolen because the original owner no longer has the say over his property, he is deprived of it. Training on a piece of publicly available data is not stealing because the original owner isn't deprived of his property. It is authoritarians like you who would love to police algorithms and what people can do with their own hardware, their own property. IP doesn't exist, ethically or otherwise. Ideas are not property, that's why they expire after some arbitrary amount of time in every country. Your kind loves to stifle innovation at every chance that they get, but it is the most satisfying feeling to know that YOU WILL LOSE in every possible line of future events.

[@jamessderby]

​@@johngosland ai doesn't/can't "steal" at a very fundamental level, so using that word is inaccurate. I believe the law will favor of ai being fair use, cracking down on the training seems unlikely and later models will be trained on curated synthetic data more and more.

[@AILEYMUSIC]

great video, as someone who trains and works on AI, its sad to see not everyone/these companies seem to understand how to do it properly (i make AI music, but it was trained on generic musical patterns to capture a style and not steal or copy a select song, same as when you learn how to play music from a panio book then make your own songs using that as inspiration, i don't support stealing , only sampling and inspiration into new works same as artists before me like FatBoySlim, Moby, Daft Punk Etc)

[@beck7326]

Outstanding video, thank you. AlphaGo especially has stuck with me philosophically since I watched the 2016 documentary. Amazing how quickly ai has developed.

[@Webnotized227]

Where would any of us be without sharing knowledge and information. Copyright is old, outdated and it's time to do away with it.

[@pixelperfectpravin]

Would have appreciated more if you would have given watermark and copyright to each element and frames you used Source the sites from you took those TV frames elements and movies you shown of the past and so on Add list of source and name of artist who made them

[@Cheesechunkz]

We want the Extended Cut

[@sajiththalasseriparambil5676]

One of the few channels that I'd willingly spend 3 hrs of my time for a video because it was absolutely worth it🎉🎉

[@garybutler1672]

I used to work in AI. You absolutely nailed it on this video. The depth of your understanding of the topic and problematic near future is spot on.

[@TiagoTiagoT]

Many other problems that you mentioned seem justified as true issues; but the copyright/IP rights matter is complicated by the fact the content was handed over freely and en-mass, and often from sources where even an attentive human would not see any mention of a third-party author retaining rights; it's like as if you inherited a junkyard and had no control over what people had thrown away there before.

[@mettattem]

Only 42-minutes in and already have to comment about how spectacular of a job you’ve done with this! Brilliant work!❤

[@evildinobot]

At 16 mins, Mojang’s great grandpa is revealed

[@LumocolorARTnr1319]

Individual greed is less important than that everyone have access to all information so we can progress forward using the information and knowledge that exists.