Star Wars - Episode VIII The Last Jedi - Normies Blind Group Reaction

[@Thenormies]

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[@BSE00]

May I remark the fact that the title says "Star Wars - Episode XIII"... XIII=13

[@mavoc3094]

@@BSE00 also the description

[@accessdc6780]

In my honest opinion this is my least favourite star wars movie of all time period

[@Aoiichi]

Regarding the Origin of Anakin. Ya'll realize that Palpatine created Anakin right ? He basically says so in Revenge of the Sith. In that " Opera " scene. Where he is talking to Anakin in private.

[@BaithNa]

Mark Hamill said he also feels that this film killed Luke's legacy If you know the character, you'd understand why people take offense to Luke's portrayal.

[@EalainEP]

Being force sensitive doesn't mean you're a skywalker, it literally just means you've the ability to use the force

[@calebc7858]

Man when I first saw the title rise of skywalker I was imagining they were going to get rid of the terms Jedi and Sith and instead classify all force sensitive individuals as “skywalkers” part of the new force order created and a homage to Luke and even Anakin. No longer used as a reminder of Vader but retooled to a better meaning. The total opposite of what palpatine did to the skywalker name. And the final gravestone of palpatines failure. Probably too fan servicy but that’s what I was thinking to line up with the last Jedi’s message lol.

[@luisrivera5476]

@@calebc7858 that would be great. sadly people could't shut the fuck up about the last jedi and every idea like that was directly to the trash

[@MikeMozzaro]

You know: for all the flak TLJ gets, the one decision I will never knock is Rians wish that Rey be 'nobody'. Every Star Wars fan after TFA was going on about how Rey *must* be related to Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon or Luke or something: seemingly forgetting this exact point. So Rian full on stepping out and saying "No: you don't have to be related to any special bloodline to be special" is something that the community at large desperately needed. (Shame it was marred by a lot of other choices and then JJ...)

[@Zenapprentice]

@@MikeMozzaro that would’ve been great if she didn’t know how to every damn thing effortlessly.

[@MikeMozzaro]

@@Zenapprentice 1) Blame TFA on that, not TLJ 2) I'm actually of the belief that the tipping point with Rey in TFA was flying the Falcon. Almost every other scene (Calling the Lightsabre, suggesting the guard, fighting Kylo) make sense if you view her as Force prodigy. Being able to fly the Falcon basically perfectly literal first go is where the suspension of disbelief just goes out the window since: it's piloting. There is an element of Force usage at work of course, but: you still need to know how to fly.

[@tvftw1]

You really spent 7 movies hearing about how the force resides in all living things and jumped to "if she's force sensitive they HAVE TO BE related"

[@thewhatness]

Say it louder. 👏👏👏

[@TrueTargaryen2012]

Well there is a precedent for that in the series, plus magical space conception, so... I don't blame that initial assumption of theirs.

[@auroraleena]

But they are related...

[@alexanderthegreat5649]

@@TrueTargaryen2012 Not really I mean it happened once with Luke/leia, but of all the force users we had in the previous 6films(2 trilogies) there was only 1 familial relation literally every single other jedi and sith were people who were just force sensitive on their own not because of their parents at least not known or part of the story so the big deal that Rey had to be a Skywalker or Kenobi was ridiculous to be so heated over. I mean besides Luke/Leia we loved all these other force users w/o ever having known and liked their parents AND I remember after TFA people going "oh they're just doing the same thing making Kylo the son of someone we know" yet at the same time cry and demand that Rey be related to someone known just so they can accept her being powerful. Some fans literally want everything even when they contradict.

[@alexanderthegreat5649]

@@auroraleena They aren't.

[@hungryclone]

Fucking Mickey: “Please sir. Can I have some Force?” Awesome joke sir. Awesome. 👏

[@GeneralZodFDNY77]

Fucking gold!

[@elliemae5526]

this joke was perfection

[@lesegomabe2679]

"Please sir, may I have some force?" Lmao 😂😂😂😂

[@christophercano8032]

Here's my two cents. Rose and Canto Bight weren't meant to further the plot, they furthered Finn's character. What they accomplish is turning Finn from someone who just wanted to get his friend and bounce, to someone willing to fight and die for the resistance after they've seen the people they're fighting for. DJ serves as a look of who Finn could become if he continues to only look out only for himself. And the reason he didn't die ties into the lesson Poe learns. They don't need any more dead heroes, they need living leaders. Side note: did Leia and Han accomplish anything in Ep 5

[@donpietruk1517]

Yes Han and Leia were the McGuffin used to further the plot line and bring Luke into a premature conflict with Vader.

[@Akatsukileader9]

That's literally why it's there. Finn goes from wanting to find Rey to run away, to wanting to fight for the Resistance til his last breath (which in itself isn't a good thing, something Rose has to snap him out of).

[@elisyan4716]

@@Akatsukileader9 Rose took away his last redeeming moment for the sake of some forced cringey romance

[@cLassy_ps]

@@elisyan4716i agree with everything about what OP said, but I do agree with you, how Rose stopped Finn’s sacrifice wasn’t really executed well and is my only gripe with it

[@jimmygreer6172]

Actually, that was Anakin's lightsaber. Luke's is green.

[@dargo7419]

It was anakins and then Luke’s

[@dwnkaomwn3953]

@@dargo7419 Here's what I'm confused on. Didn't Luke lose his father's lightsaber when he lost his hand on Cloud City?

[@dargo7419]

@@dwnkaomwn3953 Yes but it was at maz castle in the chest. The one that Rey finds which awakens her abilities and have visions. How it got there from cloud city we do not yet know. A story yet to be told.

[@chromaticstar7303]

@@dargo7419 (lazy writing)

[@chewy99.]

@@dargo7419 There was a old concept for the opening of the force awakens where it starts with Luke’s hand holding onto the saber floating in space, it crash lands on Jakku and Rey gets it. Basically my thought of what happened to it is it fell onto takodana and someone sold it to Maz.

[@MavenCree]

Obi Wan said: If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine. Luke said: If you strike me down in anger, I will always be with you. Just like your father. Similar sounding, but COMPLETLEY different meanings.

[@Xardion55]

Palatine also said: "Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete!"

[@tofu8676]

"I like her neck." "It has its own dress." Please never change

[@svgftw351]

rana just wanting kylo and rey to make out lmao

[@bencebotye3904]

I kinda see her into the Reylo, but just don't wanted this much :D

[@margarethafalco63]

I feel her, kiss and get it over with 😂 I hate tension

[@EchanteDante]

Same tho same

[@mehlev]

Same. those two, the tension 😍

[@lilquincy6292]

@@margarethafalco63 yeah if only the movie was written better

[@scrrin]

Why are people always surprised that random people can be force sensitive ? Where do you think all the Jedi in the prequels came from ? Romantic love was forbidden in the Jedi Order. I also think the Skywalkers are the only family that can pass on force sensitivity because they're descendants of the Chosen One.

[@catxborsuq1]

Actually, Force-sensitivity is hereditary to some degree. Skywalker's line is just super powerful because Anakin was the Chosen One (and actually, I think in the Legends he was a descendants - on his mother side of course - of a Jedi from the Old Republic era, or at least it was suggested so in a comic series tied to the KotOR games).

[@Super_Middleman]

Romance was forbidden but sex wasn't. George Lucas himself said that Jedi weren't celibate.

[@rockydelone3042]

That’s not true. Force sensitivity can be passed on in other families. You clearly didn’t watch Episode IX. Also, look up Plo Koon’s family background

[@cmrobbins88]

@@Super_Middleman I think there was some kind of EU story or comic that revealed Ki-Adi Mundi had offspring and relatives. I saw it on a video explaining why he was a sociopath.

[@blueskybelyr]

The Skywalker Saga revolves around one family of force sensitives. It's understandable that a casual movie-watcher would think they're special.

[@zenkaiangel977]

Episode XIII? Damn I must be waaaaay out of the loop 😂

[@CoutureThug]

Roman numerals are hard to some I guess lol

[@MontgomeryWenis]

It should be VIII

[@BxRob927]

@@CoutureThug just waiting for them to put IX here on public YT

[@bruh-fw7op]

You’re just 13 years too late

[@MrZampanov]

I feel like I've had to say this to so many people. The guy saying 'let the past die, kill it if you have to' is the BAD GUY and his philosophy is a big part of WHY HE'S LOSING. Why do people think that's the director talking to them?!!?!?!

[@HappyPotat]

Because that's basically how this trilogy operates.

[@thewhatness]

THANK YOU. It's not the actual moral of the film. The actual moral comes from the mouth of Yoda - "Failure the greatest teacher is." Ben's inability to grasp that moral is why he loses.

[@parkerhaller4738]

THANK YOU!!!!!

[@levinabear5234]

@Mr Zampanov "Let the past die" was pretty much directed at the people though. Pretty much tell us the audience to let go of the old and accept the new. Hence why they made luke an old bitter hermit because he is freaking popular as heck and would have stolen the thunder from the new characters. They even go on to admit there was no way for them to add luke that wouldnt take all the screen time from rey or finn so they had to do him dirty. Which is why people complained about luke being this jake skywalker as thats not the luke people wanted to see. This is my opinion and you are welcome to disagree if you want.

[@MrZampanov]

@@levinabear5234 I disagree wholeheartedly (without malice). Luke is definitely there to hand things off to the new generation, but the bitter hermit part is giving him a character arc in the new series (one that I liked quite a bit). Basically the story of Luke in this movie is the story of the former hero becoming the wise teacher. I liked seeing him overcome the tremendous guilt he felt for a fleeting but important mistake. I feel like everyone can relate to that.

[@Animaniac0451]

LEIA WAS NOT FLYING! She just used Force Pull on the ship, There was no gravity so it pulled her to it. She didn't breathe in space, she used the precious seconds she had to save herself. (Also, resist elements is a base jedi power)

[@debbiewoweries9912]

finn deserved a much better storyline!

[@Haimgard]

We all did

[@vonhule]

@@Haimgard you fanboys are so pathetic. Everytime I read this comment I cringe so hard.

[@emptyxsuit]

@@vonhule every time I see the new trilogy, I cringe

[@sandmansleeps657]

Finn deserved a storyline.

[@kaxewdisco3594]

@@emptyxsuit every time I see, I cringe.

[@ignotouno523]

Rose freed the animals but forgot about the slave kids.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Couldn't exactly take them all with her, could she? And they were looking to get away quickly, with a tight deadline. I assume it was simply what looked like a good next step.

[@Bothandle70]

Rose didn't free any animals. The slave kid did.

[@PhoenixFire2]

@@chrissonofpear1384 In an alternate universe where Rose took the kids with her: "Rose took kids with her to a war zone, she's such an idiot"

[@DorkKnight99]

*Darth Vader literally kills children* Luke: I'll never give up on him ever. *Ben Solo has a bad dream* Luke: Guess I gotta kill him. Traaaaaaaaaash

[@SeanS102]

except of course it was just a moment of weakness and he never really planned to kill Ben, he didn't know Anakin killed children, and most importantly, he does almost kill his father, until he realises what he's doing.

[@parkerhaller4738]

Luke chopped off his father’s hand as he was actively trying to kill him

[@Evello37]

Luke savagely attacked Vader and chopped his arm off at the mere threat that he might go after Leia. He's super impulsive. Drawing his saber when he sees a vision of all his students being butchered seems pretty in-character to me.

[@khalduras784]

​@@Evello37the fact the guy still acts like an impulsive young adult despite all the character development is the frustrating part

[@Lolo-ji9xs]

Out of all the star wars movies this was the Normies funniest reaction outta all of them 😂 y'all are too comedy

[@MrCzerillo]

You are 80% correct.

[@Marcel-qb9ge]

I never really understood why they decided it was ok to humiliate commander Hux He is one of your villains and it makes him completely unthreatening The correct way to prove Snoke was even more threating than Hux was the way they did in the Fifth Element with Gary Coldman. He was still threatening and maintained his dignity even though he was shown to be completely terrified of his boss

[@aspannas]

He became the comic relief, honestly such a waste of a character, they took the easy and lazy route to write him like that instead of giving his character any depth. But you could say that about basically every single character, including the character assassination they did on Luke, completely unrecognizable. Kylo had a lot of potential, he was the best thing in the whole trilogy.

[@25thRev]

they gotta add the disney ways is a normie movie after all

[@Aldridge517]

Agreed. They could have also gone the Blade Runner 2049 route. Jared Leto's character does absolutely nothing, but his subordinate, who is the main physical threat throughout the film, is visibly terrified whenever she's around him.

[@ClucktheDuck96]

Because he was never threatening.

[@peterhoeller7811]

"The greatest teacher, failure is." Clearly they didn't take that to heart when making the NEXT one.

[@bakagakure6435]

Actually, I think they tried to over correct

[@SuzakuX]

I mean, they went so far in the opposite direction with IX that I'd argue it's a worse movie overall. It was rewritten and reshot into a complete fucking mess.

[@tehdouglas1]

9 still beats 8, easily the worst Star Wars movie of the trilogies. People claiming others think it sucks because Rose is asian are full of sht, Rose could be any race it wouldnt change the fact her character and storyline sucked.

[@tehdouglas1]

@Frankie Ortiz half the fans hating this movie makes it a triumph? Dream on

[@tehdouglas1]

@Frankie Ortiz sure it will, by half the fans

[@chick1000123]

Lmao, these people misinterpreting the whole point of the movie and luke's arc. I constantly see people pulling the 'let the past die' as the message of the last jedi when it's being said by KYLO - the villain who clearly has issues he hasn't worked out - and by the end of the film Rey does the opposite of this. Yeah, Luke at the beginning of his arc says 'fuck the jedi, fuck the past, i'm going to stay on this island' but by the end he becomes the last HOPE for the resistance by standing up to the first order and facing his nephew. Luke mockingly tells Rey 'I'm gonna walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First Order?" and that is exactly what he ends up doing by the end. He was disillusioned and weighed down by the guilt and shame he felt at failing to teach Ben. Now we have Yoda telling Luke, 'the greatest teacher, failure is' and 'we are what they grow beyond' the latter should be what you take from this movie, and that's exactly what Rey does. She doesn't kill the past, nor does she forget it (she literally has the ancient jedi texts) she acknowledges the past and she has the ability to move on from it. The line essentially means that students will eventually outgrow their master, you should learn from your masters successes but ALSO their failures, and that is the true message of the last jedi.

[@Pir-o]

imagine still defending TLJ in 2021

[@like2surf]

I think people get the "arc", it just seems like lazy writing to force this "arc" on us when it really doesn't make any sense for it to happen in the first place, it's just not in keeping with Luke's character at all from what we've seen of the previous movies. Nobody who is a Star Wars fan or just watched the previous movies believes Luke would think about killing an innocent child. I mean come on give the audience some credit.

[@theunknownuser9609]

@@like2surf What innocent chid what the hell are you talking about? Ben was 25 back then and at that point Luke was seeing and feeling all the shit that Ben would do in the future. Besides it's not like it was premeditated . It was a temporary lost of judgement and Luke has had those in the past (he almost killed Vader the moment he mentioned his sister in ROTJ when 10 minutes earlier he was saying there was good in him and he would save him)

[@bryanmanuelbaes7871]

@@Pir-o just as cringe as the people still complaining about it today

[@arianafernandezcuesta5827]

I love how everyone gives hard critics on the movies and Rava is just “I loooved it” 😂😂

[@brianwallace2038]

Ah yes. Episode 13 is my favorite

[@OGAPlays]

lmao

[@mattrismatt]

I seriously doubt there will be an Episode XIII... in the near future, at least.

[@brianwallace2038]

@@mattrismatt You misunderstand. The title originally said XIII, but they've since fixed it.

[@mattrismatt]

@@brianwallace2038 I knew you were just being funny. But I say from a position of extreme confidence that *Episode XII* will be coming in the near future. 😉

[@Pir-o]

@@mattrismatt they will just reboot disney sequels instead lol.

[@travis_mitchell]

I’m so relieved to finally see such a positive reaction to this film, and seeing fresh eyes enjoying the film as it unfolds, as opposed to being judgmental before it even starts. The one major negative brought up is the Canto Bight sequence with Finn and Rose, and how it goes nowhere. This has slowly become my favorite storyline of the whole film. On opening night seeing the movie, I loved everything about that storyline, and actually saw the film again a few days later upon hearing all of the hate, just to see if I was too lenient. The fact that their efforts are fruitless was too obvious to be a mistake. We’re used to seeing the heroes embark on an epic journey, but we rarely see the journey of how the ordinary person becomes worthy enough to embark on such a journey. Finn is a coward at the start of the film, and Rose lacks the confidence and conviction of a warrior. This pointless journey they take isn’t about miraculously accomplishing the impossible through convenience, it’s about these two people who weren’t even ready to take on this challenge, falling on their faces, picking themselves up, and cementing their convictions in the process. Finn and Rose arrive on Canto Bight a selfish coward and an awkward, self-conscious, mess respectively Finn and Rose then arrive at the battle of Crait a righteous warrior fighting for something he believes in, And a girl who is done being in the background unnoticed, now leading the charge from the frontlines.

[@bakagakure6435]

*slow clap*

[@ArthurKnight1899]

It ain't that deep chief

[@dk240996]

The thing with this movie as compared to Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker to me is, if you gave me separate Rian Johnson trilogy and a separate J.J. Abrams trilogy, I would guarantee you people would gravitate towards Rian's more. Rian, for all the faults of the movie did try doing something new with Star Wars, which is what you should do when given the chance to be a writer/director for one of these movies. And to parrot a RLM point, if this movie ended right after Kylo asks Rey to join him, it'd be so much better both as its own thing and as a setup for the finale of the trilogy.

[@lb0433]

True but Disney had no plan and just milked people nostalgia

[@felipeaquitral]

@@lb0433 That was Jar Jar Abrams, he used the OST (butchering the work John Williams did for an entire saga of movies) and similar scenes and plots of the original trilogy to the point of obvious copy/paste, just to play with the fans feelings and nostalgia without earning any of it. On this movie they didn't milk nostalgia, and when they did use something from the past those were just nods, which felt integral to the plot and very earned. Disney didn't know what the hell they wanted to do, the direction the sequels took was all Abrams' (in episodes VII and IX) and Johnson' (in episode VIII) decision.

[@Bothandle70]

not a fan of cliffhangers, even more so for movies that come out once every two years. imo JJ ending it on cliffhanger caused a lots of problems.

[@randalthekidd7006]

nah both directors are trash

[@dk240996]

Right, the director of Knives Out is clearly "trash" 🙄

[@badrhetoric5637]

The force is an energy field. It's space magic, it is a spiritual connection to something greater. The limitations are your imagination. As said in Empire, ''I don't believe it.'' Yoda; ''That is why you fail.''

[@SantosAl]

The phantom menace kind of ruined this with midichlorians.

[@Skölly-b6h]

@@SantosAl midichlorians aren’t the force it a way to measure how force sensitive you are

[@SantosAl]

@@Skölly-b6h I know, but the midichlorians made the force quantifiable and less mysterious.

[@Skölly-b6h]

@@SantosAl not really

[@SantosAl]

@@Skölly-b6h whatever floats your boat mate

[@shawnstewart6148]

I feel like everyone over looks the fact that KYLO REN did two things his grandfather DARTH VADER couldn't do 1) kills a loved one and 2) killed his master and lived to take his place.

[@peralta8013]

I'm just wondering if The Normies are still gonna watch The Clone Wars or not anymore.

[@EChacon]

That's what I'm wondering, they said they were going to do it after Season 2 of The Mandalorian and/or during their reaction to the other films but now 9-10 months later (for the films) and especially 2 months later (for the Mandalorian) it doesn't seem they give a hoot of Clone Wars and it remains to be seen if they would react to 2 Clone Wars episodes a week like Shippuden or 1 episode a week. Besides, Blind Wave is almost done with the Clone Wars reactions and Storm Akima is halfway done with their Clone Wars reactions.

[@CoolMyron]

If they liked this trash... sorry, this movie. They well love TCW

[@lukerose384]

@@CoolMyron oh look, a toxic sw fan, very rare

[@CoolMyron]

@@lukerose384 No one is being toxic. Calm down XD

[@binks808]

@@lukerose384 you don’t even have to be a Star Wars fan to call it trash it’s just terrible story writing

[@TheKiza02]

Hey Normies heads up, the title and description say 13 not 8, might be an inside joke, haven't got far in the video yet so might be showing myself to be a fool here lol

[@TroyHoullier]

I was now about to let the know x=10 v=5

[@shockzz1234]

The problem with the Rose and Finn story, even if it's to show "the everyman" during the war, is A. it's too fucking long (idk how much runtime it has in the movie, but it feels like it's nearly half of it ffs) B. It's pointless, as others have said and C. (my main reason tbh) Finn is in it. And i don't mean that i hate Finn so he actively brings the story down, i mean the complete OPPOSITE, I really like(d) Finn. Finn should not have been relegated to some pointless B-plot story lmao. He should have been a main part of the trilogy and should have been much more heavily involved, during both this and EP9. It's an absolute joke how his character was treated, and i don't blame John Boyega for hating Disney for it at all.

[@thewhatness]

It gives him a reason to fight for the Rebellion. In TFA, he's an accidental hero due to his loyalty to Rey, but Rose showing him the effects of war leads him to understanding what's at stake. His declaration of "Rebel Scum" is great, and it's the payoff for the whole Canto Bight subplot.

[@thewhatness]

There's no excusing IX, however. I can't defend that in the slightest.

[@19Rena96]

no, every one needed their own seperate storyline, so grow and to get a better charakter. TFA was a great start, TLJ gave him his own storyline to deepen is character but TROS failed miserably.

[@fayesouthall6604]

Bullseye

[@felipeaquitral]

This movie is so freaking underrated. It has flaws, yes, like every SW movie, but the highs are the highest highs in all of the saga imo. TLJ gave Kylo complexity and independence. Abrams' Kylo was/is "just a child in a mask", like Snoke said, Johnson made him so much better as a character and actually used Adam Driver's amazing acting skills. It gave Luke the perfect ending for his arc (and his death was one of the best and most beautiful moments of SW). It has imo the best cinematography of all the movies (including the spin-offs), by far. And it gave the saga something that was missing: boldness. This movie has massive balls, because it was never afraid to take SW to new directions, to explore new themes and to subvert expectations. It was a shame that Abrams got rid of everything that was great about this movie (except, maybe Luke, because he couldn't, because he was already dead) and continued to play safe and abuse of unearned fanservice and nostalgia in the crime that is TRoS. That movie is so bad that it makes Episode II look good. Anyways, this was a very fun reaction, especially because of Rana xd She's the best. And I agree so much with Chris, this movie alone is better than all the prequels (don't @ me). And I agree with what Marketa said about the Jedi's philosophy. The Jedi Order was toxic and dumb af and they pretty much created Darth Vader, it was their fault. The only thing Anakin needed was to see his mom and show his emotions and the Jedi Council basically said "Noooo! Don't have emotions! Emotions are bad. Why do you miss your mother? You're so weird lol".

[@REChronic54]

TLJ had a lot of flaws that people are warranted to talk about. But sometimes the good in it gets swept under the rug. I watched The Prequels again recently and I was so amazed at how the toxicity of the Jedi just reinforces Luke's thoughts in TLJ. I feel like a lot of people missed that.

[@MavenCree]

That whole, instant death when you're in space thing that we've seen in movies for years in movies and tv shows... yeah, that was wrong. You can live for several seconds. Especially if you exhale all the oxygen out of your lungs first. So she was able to live and then used the force to pull herself back into the ship. Guardians of the Galaxy weirdly got that science right too, in both films.

[@ignisinfernal1843]

Yup. You can actually live up to a minute and 15 seconds. I'll agree that it was shot weirdly, but it's not a stretch to say a force-sensitive could probably survive even longer.

[@ClucktheDuck96]

It's also Star Wars a series that has never cared about being scientifically accurate

[@Giblet12]

It doesn’t make that scene any less silly looking

[@andyrobin7196]

wasnt their ship moving like thousands of miles an hour through space? Leia was also flying that fast to not get left behind?

[@chaost4544]

Anyone else get a kick out of Suraj getting his drink on? I don't blame him... you kind of need alcohol to get through this film. "Please sir, can I have some force?" That belongs in the Normies HoF.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Rana: "Why would Luke do that?" Not even Mark Hamill himself can answer you that. He was as baffled as everyone else.

[@Zenapprentice]

Yeah he can. He explained it in his interviews after the movie came out.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

@@Zenapprentice Ehhh, no.

[@lightefilit]

@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 Yes. Not to mention, it was literally actually explained in the movie itself.

[@m35cobol]

I mean... did you wanna see a rehash of empire where luke becomes the new yoda and just trains rey? That's just kinda boring.

[@darkurge69]

"MAYBE IT'S OBERYN PUT BACK TOGETHER" Mickey is fucking on fire this reaction xDDD

[@diegopansini3152]

Kelly Mary Tran got bullied HARD, that poor woman. It's not her fault her character was written that way

[@graystark240]

Your not wrong. But actors get praised for what the writers do all the time. They don’t complain then. So they don’t get to complain when the writer doesn’t do their job well.

[@Bothandle70]

@@graystark240 criticism and bullying are two different things though. and yes artists shouldn't be idolized either. celebrity culture is something i'll never understand.

[@ignisinfernal1843]

@@Bothandle70 She literally got harassed on Twitter badly enough to make her quit. That's obviously bullying. Making a video essay or talking to your friends about your criticisms is one thing. Why are you tweeting an actor to criticize them?

[@jokuvaan5175]

The bullying even happens against kids. Kid Anakin's actor got bullied hard because "fans" didn't like phantom menace and little Anakin. His life went downhill because of that

[@ignisinfernal1843]

@@jokuvaan5175 Yeah, it's really sad. He was a kid who was doing the best he could and was probably so excited to be in Star Wars.

[@awesomeentertainerguy3ulti792]

I don’t think so. I think he called a laser sword just to like emphasize like it’s just like a light saber and that’s not gonna like win against the whole first order. 7:50

[@tedoyle99]

40:24 I cant believe she said that Luke was woke enough to see the flaws in the Jedi ways XD Just shows that shills like her still defend this garbage movie

[@lilsmileyg2777]

The main thing people was mad about with Luke is in his 20s he was willing to turn Vader who killed thousands of people but was willing to kill his nephew who ain’t really done anything but was like conflicted but never did anything but tried to kill him just because the feel of the dark side

[@barbenheimer736]

He also considered to kill Vader before changing his mind in ROTJ. Which is what he did with Kylo except Kylo saw what he did and fought back. My issue with Luke is more than he didn't do anything afterwards when he saw his temple be destroyed.

[@gavinallerton3414]

I mean he wasn’t just conflicted. Luke said his heart had already been turned to the dark and he’d seen everything he done. He also almost did murder Vader where as Ben was again like he says a passing moment of regret and shame.

[@atpr3241]

Luke was just underutilized in general and the "darkness" he saw in Kylo wasn't all immersive

[@thewhatness]

And I feel like that's _such_ a misguided read of Luke's character, which is why I'm really so jaded by this criticism and people who hate this film. Luke is a character entirely defined by his rashness; he literally almost _refused_ the call to action because he was rash and just wanted to go to Tosche Station to pick up power converters. But his rashness is also a strength. Against Yoda's warning, he rashly decides to go save Han and Leia, out of his love for them. Then in Return of the Jedi, when Vader threatens to turn Leia, his rashness is in full display, and Luke goes absolutely ape, because Vader _threatened someone he loves._ Luke isn't thinking rationally, and is swinging wildly with violent intent. I want you to keep that mental image in mind when comparing it to how he deals with Ben. Compare that to how he handles things with Ben. He doesn't even *swing* the saber, only ignites it and feels immediate regret, just as he mentions. And what he saw in the vision was Ben slaughtering his entire academy - children that were entrusted to him by parents like Han, Leia, and other trusted allies to raise an entire generation of Jedi. There was infinitely more at stake with Ben, and he doesn't even swing like he does at Vader. All the students and their parents - people he loves - were at stake because of Ben. And Luke doesn't strike him. Nor does he even use his saber offensively during his fight on Crait. People need to engage more with the text of the films. TLJ Luke is the most interesting he's ever been, and is completely consistent with the character of the original trilogy. And the send-off he gets in this film is *the* most Jedi act in the franchise.

[@levinabear5234]

@@thewhatnessTo be fair though, Luke was made that way in TLJ mainly because if they didnt he would have stolen the glory from rey and finn. I do believe the people working on it came out and admitted there was no way for them to add luke into the series as the focus would have been taken off finn and rey as Luke is freaking popular and a symbol of hope and good. They had to make him a bitter old man just to downplay him enough so rey and finn could look better in comparison. Which is sad in my opinion.

[@quetch2]

My problems with this movie: - Rose saving finn. She literally chose to sacrifice everybody in the cave just to save finn, and did so by crashing into him in a way that would have been likely to kill both of them anyway. This is honestly my single most hated bit of this movie because it's treated like she was right to do that, rather than painting it as a dumb and selfish thing to do. About Rose as a character; I don't really care one way or the other. - Like chris says, the canto bight side story was silly and took way too much screen time away from more important things. - The fact that so much of the movies plot was just because Holdo (who, unlike Rose, is a character i do actively dislike) absolutely refused to share information to the point of looking grossly incompetent, and during the resulting mutiny still refused to even just state that she does in fact have a plan. She was a brand new character who none of these people even knew, but expected that she could just pull rank and give orders that by all accounts made her seem like a traitor working against the resistance. That storyline is literally "Pretend to be incompetent > People don't do what you tell them to > Shocked Pikachu face"

[@sparkleclover]

I loved the Rey/Kylo/Luke stuff but the Canto Bight and resistance parts were honestly boring.

[@crobeastness]

they also broke the rules of how the force works how warp speed works how luke works, and made rey even more of a mary sue than before. the film also grossly disrespects the Jedi religion. like George lucas' yoda would never say what he did in this movie.

[@19Rena96]

@@crobeastness please.. star wars is a space opera and soft sci-fi. They weren't exactly accurate when it came to physical laws and whats possible or what's not.

[@crobeastness]

@@19Rena96 I'm not talking about physics. I'm talking about them breaking the rules of the force.

[@19Rena96]

@@crobeastness as if we know EVERYTHING about the force.. That's the sole reason we get new movies, to introduce us to more things we don't know yet

[@explody7836]

My fellow TLJ people.

[@Settlers6]

The argument that 'fans are never satisfied' falls pretty flat as far as I'm concerned. The fans didn't like it when an entire movie was rehashed (episode 7) and they don't like when a movie completely seperates itself from the main themes of Star Wars and removes any consistency of the characters (episode 8). That doesn't mean that fans are never satisfied, they just don't like either extreme: there is a middle ground, that none of the sequel movies found, in my opinion. JJ Abrams rehashed too much, Rian Johnson wanted too badly to 'subvert expectations'. Obviously the hate that the actress got is not right, no sane person will say that, but as always, how big was that backlash? A small group can appear very large on the Internet. Especially if the media gives it a lot of attention. Often times, the hate some person got will become the shield by 'defenders' to deflect all other criticisms and blame any criticism on something like sexism or racism. Like with the Ghostbuster reboot. Anyway, I liked seeing your honest opinions. Even though I disagree with some of them :)

[@swissaviation]

This deserves more likes

[@mateom1691]

But let’s think about it like this: If they had found the middle ground, would have people complained about them playing it too safe? Because most likely, yes. You will find that people complain about everything and very seldom does it hold any valid criticisms. The prequels were hated pretty much until the sequels came out and Rise of Skywalker made Attack of The Clones look like a masterpiece. I think it’s all about time and letting people just get over themselves until another set of movies comes along that everyone will hate for a decade or two.

[@Settlers6]

@@mateom1691 While I agree that there will always be somebody that will 'complain'/dislike the movie, that doesn't mean the majority, or a sizeable part of the fanbase, will dislike it. Look at the Mandalorian. I'm sure some people dislike it, but the overwhelming majority of the Star Wars fanbase seems to enjoy it. You misunderstand what I mean by middle ground. You assert that people would complain that they played it too safe, if they take the middle ground I mentioned. But that's referring to playing it too safe, which is what episode 7 did: that's not the middle ground I was talking about, that was indeed, playing it too safe, which is also wrong. That is, if you want to entertain your fanbase. I mean, it's a bit of a broad statement to say that people complain about everything and very seldom it holds any valid criticisms. So that's hard to argue against: who are the 'people'? What statistical analysis have you done to determine that the criticisms of those 'people' are often invalid? The criticisms against the prequels are still very valid, depending on what criticisms you look at: the CGI doesn't look believable most of the time, the dialogue is often very stilted and some characters are pointless or take up too much screentime with lackluster comic relief or poor acting (Jar Jar Binks, young Anakin). Sure, I've noticed that a lot of people nowadays don't look as poorly on the prequels, but I think that's mostly because of the memes: just like the movie 'The Room', it's become a fan-favority for it's weird or quirky elements, for unintended reasons. That's not to say they are now good movies. They are still pretty bad. But story-wise, as an arc, they hold a lot more consistency than the sequels. To name just one element. The sequels are simply also bad and the criticisms of the sequel saga that I've heard, hold water well enough.

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

@@mateom1691 no movie can be liked by literally _everyone_ , but that doesn't mean then you shouldn't care about literally anyone's opinion either. And in some cases I think it's also important to note that you can do things to make some people like the movie without any tradeoff. When it comes to consistency with previously established rules, it's very rare that you CAN'T make the story engaging while being consistent too. And that way, anyone who doesn't care about the rules still has fun, and anyone who DOES care gets a nice "a-ha!" moment seeing them used cleverly instead of being disappointed by random retcons. The problem is some writers literally have this as an ideological pet peeve, that world building/plot/caring for rules is for losers, character driven storytelling is all that matters and everything else is just stuff nerds care about. That sort of mindset is stupid, but it's especially the worst when you're put at the helm of a franchise like Star Wars, which does historically rely on creating that sense of an immersive world. What was special about A New Hope to begin with wasn't some mind-blowingly original plot, but just how REAL and yet alien it all felt by the standards of cinema and SFX at the time. You throw away that immersion, that sense of a cohesive and expansive world, you might as well not make it a Star Wars movie.

[@Xardion55]

Despite the flaws of the movie, I enjoyed it very much. Now it's fair to say that many thought that it failed expectations, but it certainly didn't deserve the amount of vitriol thrown against it. But then I remember how the first two movies of the prequel trilogy was received in similar (and in some cases, unusual) ways. I believe the difference is the use of social media, which makes it more readily for opinions to be aired, whether good or bad. I'd imagine that if the prequel sequel was aired around the current time, on social media was more mainstream, it might get the same type of treatment. Ultimately, Star Wars is just unusual that way. It just takes a longer for some movies to be appreciated.

[@heze2819]

This movie ruined Luke and Finn I could literally rant about this movie till I die

[@dlpheonix]

@Kam 90 well it would help if the movie made wasnt wasting some good ideas and concepts with terrible implementation. I think a big part of the over the top hate is that there are good ideas and not just complete garbage being used. People see all the missed potential making the mistakes much worse to viewers.

[@ClucktheDuck96]

Nah this movie is the best written Star Wars movie

[@heze2819]

@Kam 90 definitely I used to let it annoy me a lot but now I’ve learned to just talk about it for fun

[@heze2819]

@@ClucktheDuck96 that’s fine if that’s your opinion but I totally disagree with that people say it’s the best written because of Luke’s arc but it makes no sense. It’s a good arc but you can’t just apply any arc to any character then you’ll get characters acting out of character which is exactly what Luke is doing in Last Jedi. The launching point for the arc is out of character and the payoff isn’t done good.

[@dadian803]

@@ClucktheDuck96 Nice joke

[@spikespiegel6033]

"He's a legend now!" He was already a legend after ending the Reign of the Empire, the Emperor, & Vader. The events of this trilogy sets him back more than it builds his legend.

[@TrueTargaryen2012]

Well 'The Mandalorian' would disagree with your statement, they make it clear in that show that people all over the galaxy have no idea who Luke Skywalker is, let alone a "Jedi". (So he's canonically no legend a decade or so after Ep. 6)

[@howmanyroads1388]

@@TrueTargaryen2012 Your statement is false, as we don't know from the last episode of The Mandalorian if they know who Luke is, but you see clearly that Moff Gideon is afraid of Luke as he recognizes him and wants to end his own life to avoid meeting Luke. And don't forget that Luke is a legend among the Rebels and the New Republic, we see that the New Republic is not very present in the areas where live Mando, and the other characters.

[@spikespiegel6033]

@@TrueTargaryen2012 In Force Awakens, Finn knows who Luke is when Poe tells him about the map. When Finn tells Rey about the map, she says "I thought he was a myth!" The Han tells them the stories are all true. I have a problem that J.J. Abrams decided to make Luke a myth/legend only 30 years after he took down the Emperor & the Empire. They expect us to believe that the galaxy forgot who took down the Emperor? That's like Americans forgetting George Washington.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@spikespiegel6033 Guess this implies neither the Empire or New Republic really had a lot of impact, culturally, or in terms of stories, then, in the Outer Rim?

[@Bothandle70]

problem is based on what we see on screen, he is exactly just that, a myth and not what fans think he is. his biggest achievement was to throw the lightsaber away in ROTJ. vader and the rebels did all the work.

[@Fotoschiki]

5:05 "That's not how objects react in space" Actually it's exactly how they react in space. If you recall, she can breathe thre, so this isn't space. She fell down, so there is artificial gravity. The bombs are reacting inside the ship, just like her body. Once they leave the ship, they are moving with constant speed in the same direction, since no force (hehe) is applied anymore - Newton's first law. One of the most heard but least accurate criticism of this movie is the bomber scene. You can give this movie a lot of deserved crap story and character writing wise, but the physics and star wars lore is relatively intact. If anything, that was one of the movie's upsides

[@PhoenixFire2]

Star Wars has literally never been accurate to how real space is. And yet people start complaining when it does something that still makes sense from a physics standpoint?

[@tristianjones8915]

I think Luke was portrayed perfectly. This is 30 years after ROTJ. He has been through a LOT. He lost Leia’s son to the Dark Side. Lost everything he built. He blamed his self and chose to leave everyone behind, believing they would be better off without him. He didn’t want to train Rey because I’m he didn’t want to fail her too. He tried to KILL Ben. That has to be eating him up inside. He has a moment of weakness and thought he could prevent another Vader. And he regretted it immediately. Snoke had already corrupted Ben and that was the nail in the coffin.

[@ThisisKyle]

No they murdered Luke's character

[@ignisinfernal1843]

@@ThisisKyle Maybe actually explain why instead of just saying "they murdered his character".

[@CoolMyron]

How do you know his been through a lot? We don't know what happened in the 30 years. He could of had the best life ever. Plus he was happy at the end of 6. He was a coward before he lost all that stuff. Normal luke would not try to kill a kid over a vision. Cus then he would of killed Vader... you know... the guy that deserved to die. By not training Rey... his falling Rey. Another problem with the movie. Why did we not get to see Snoke corrupt Ben? Would that be pretty important info?

[@CoolMyron]

@@ignisinfernal1843 Luke was the most optimistic character in star wars, then he attacks this kid because of a Dream. He trys to save Vader... but attacks Ben? ...IN HIS SLEEP.

[@ignisinfernal1843]

@@CoolMyron He didn't attack him in his sleep. He considered it and then felt immense shame afterwards. Luke isn't the same as he was before because very few people are the same as they were 30 years ago. This is a Luke who has spent decades working on rebuilding the Jedi Order and has devoted his entire life to it (he didn't do much outside of it and wasn't even really involved in the New Republic). Now he starts getting visions of his nephew destroying his life's work and killing all of his students, who he's come to see almost as his children. Most people would've gave into the pressure and actually killed him, but Luke stopped himself, just as he did when he was about to kill Vader in ROTJ.

[@mr.raindrop6595]

Idk why but something told me rana was gonna be a reylo 😂

[@mattgarrett2583]

I was more pissed during episode 9 when I learned who Rey is.. There was soooo much promise and it just pissed me off.. I was all about her being a Grey Jedi, like the mentor in Kotor 2, wanting balance.. good and evil, but not for the sake of good and evil, but just to understand that good and evil are 2 sides of the same coin. And to ignore one side is to ignore the whole.

[@chrissmith6097]

In episode 9, I’m more pissed at: Lack of conversations Lack of discussing revelatory info and how it affects the characters It’s just running from action sequence to action sequence Destruction of Finn’s character Finn screaming “Rey!” Consisting of 80% of his dialogue Rey’s family retcon would be after all those issues

[@michelmorio8026]

@@chrissmith6097 I like neither of those two movies, different stories yet terrible Star Wars... but „Retcon“ Rey‘s story 😂😂😂 that’s ridiculous! All they did was tease for two movies without any relevant facts! Every outcome at that point would have been disappointing... and in the end, it wasn’t even relevant at all if she was a Skywalker, Kenobi, Jinn, no one, Solo, Palpatine or what else theories existed

[@sertaki]

... did you ever finish Kotor 2? If you are talking about the person I think you are .... then maybe you missed some of the story. [potential slight spoilers below] There is a bit more to that mentor than "wantig balance" later in the game.

[@michelmorio8026]

@@sertaki if he talks about Kreia... then yes, total BS! But I think he confused it with the Jedi from Kotor 1, Jolee Bindo

[@sertaki]

@@michelmorio8026 Good point, I haven't thought of that possibility. Jolee Bindo fits that definition - and was a very fascinating take on how to interpret the force as ... a force of nature, that I would have loved to see more of.

[@ThreshmanEntertainment]

Ah. So the time has come to meet Ben Swolo. Also, I appreciate the ADTR shoutout.

[@RaixsOreh]

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love!" I don't mind that you love that line, it's a pretty good line, but the way they used it was mind-bogglingly stupid. What did Rose think Finn was doing? he was saving what he loved by sacrificing himself. if she had did it during their fight with Phasma it would've made more sense. but RJ is too busy virtue signalling the entire film to notice those things.

[@arraikcruor6407]

This whole movie is a travesty.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Besides the point that it was completely impossible for Rose to appear where she did. She turned just like everyone else, and Finn was the only one driving with full speed at the cannon. How did she not only keep up, but even come from a perpendicular direction to Finn?! It literally makes no sense! Nothing in this movie makes sense.

[@dadian803]

Yeah, but that line is complete bullshit. Try saying that to a Nazi, pretty much any enemy even the Karate Kid/Cobra Kai have us that you will eventually kill in order to keep the safe.

[@kalebdiaz1671]

It actually takes me back to a rose comic that came out between episode 8 and 9 where she and her sister Paige decide to do a suicide run on a first order facility and take themselves out along with it, Leia stops them and says that they can be a minor setback or a constant nuisance to the 1st order, I kind of think of it like that finn could just be a setback to them or he could be something more

[@housekinokuni903]

*deep breaths*... I actually like this movie, idc about the lore and shit, this is most visually pleasing and narratively risky star wars movie....and also very enjoyable. Def best of the sequel trilogy

[@jaysuscrass9119]

Leia wasn't breathing in space, you can survive up to 27 seconds in the vacuum of space, she wasn't just fine afterwards she was bedridden remember? it's just a little floaty trick. also her brother was literally the last jedi, you think he didn't teach her at least one thing in all their time? I know if i ever learn a martial art imma teach my sis some self defense, it's forgivable to let the movie assume she learned a thing or two about the force

[@randalthekidd7006]

oof the excuses you need to make just for the movie function on its basic level is so pathetic. that means its a shit movie that is really really dumb

[@jaysuscrass9119]

@@randalthekidd7006 right? but i mean... I t CaNT gEt any WoRSe, RiGhT? Episode IX has entered the chat:

[@daviddavis2545]

I still think it's sheer hypocrisy and insanity that people can't accept the concept of a force sensitive person like Leia or others using the force to levitate. It's really dumb that we haven't already seen anything like that earlier in the series.

[@TacoGiraffen]

@@daviddavis2545 problem is the setup. We barely know anything about Leias force abilities at this point in the movie. So for her to pull off something we have never seen any jedi do before is a hard buy for many people.

[@19Rena96]

@@randalthekidd7006 what excuse? She was always force sensitive

[@SlendyFLM]

"That's not how objects react in space" Well they are above a ship with its own artificial gravity. soo...that could be a factor.

[@darkholt8376]

My honest opinion as a life long Star Wars fan? Overall this was a good movie and a great Star Wars movie. It made me hopeful that they would finally toss away the Skywalker crutch and go somewhere new. It was the same sort of thing with when Disney scorched earth the Expanded Universe. I was excited that we might get something new and more fleshed out than "suddenly he too was a master of the Force" that soooooo many of the stories were. There were a few characters and groups that I thought were worthy of keeping in some form (Mitth'raw'nuruodo, Mara Jade, Corran Horn, the True Mandolorians, the Null Arcs, and maybe the Zonama Sekot/Yuuzhan Vong). Unfortunately, the movie was horribly received by a very loud and toxic portion of the fandom (not saying that all of the people who didn't like it were apart of that group, just saying that that group was the loudest and helped guide the discourse). It also exposed a major problem with today's fandoms: many, if not most, fans refuse to have their expectations subverted.

[@EalainEP]

You make a few assumptions here that I feel are just an attempt at dismissing valid criticism. Subverting your expectations doesn't automatically mean the decision is good. I'm pretty sure there's even a popular video that details the difference between last jedis subversion and avengers subversion and why one was liked and one was hated. Realistically I think you just gotta accept that alot of people think this movie isn't a good star wars movie

[@thewhatness]

Moreover, the subversion talking point is done to death, and I think it doesn't quite get to the heart of the discrepancy between the critics who loved it and the fans who were enraged. I think the latter have come to expect to be coddled by the familiar, and don't react well to having their preconceived notions of characters/a series being challenged. Mostly, because I don't think many really *engage* with the text, so they frontload their own bias onto characters (especially Luke), when in reality, the texts of the films beforehand set him up to be consistent with what we see in this film.

[@randalthekidd7006]

except what they made was substandard garbage that tried to steal from the eu and then throw it under the bus. This was the most corporate star wars trilogy made strictly for money with no creative vision whatsoever. the fact they did this over a trilogy with darth maul as a super powerful crimelord is beyond comprehension. They couldn't even get the basic requirement of compelling characters with all of them being just boring and one dimensional except kylo because he always loses and has a connection to the characters people actually care about han, leia, luke. they could not have fucked this trilogy up more, and subversion with no plan like rian johnson's stupid ass just makes the movie cheap and moronic. it just shows how empty rian's directing really is that he needs to rely on such a tired trick just to move his retarded story along. easily the worst star wars movie sine it caused the next one as well

[@JanPospisilArt]

Suraj is becoming quite the shipper. :))

[@krzyszwojciech]

Supreme Shipper Suraj

[@VandelYeIndustries]

Holdo going light speed through the ship was arguably the best moment of the new trilogy

[@stefan6347]

Nah, that title goes to Kylo vs Luke

[@XGhostGamerX8]

I pretty much felt the same way you guys felt. Its probably the most entertaining star wars film in my opinion and the humor landed with me. Some of the character decisions and story lines can feel frustrating but I feel overall that this is one of the best star wars movies. It also was heavily ambitious in trying to move the star wars mythos forward. Themes that I have always thought throughout the star wars canon was realized in this movie. 1) You don't need to be related to someone strong to be powerful or even competent in the force. 2) The Jedi in the prequels were very flawed. Their reliance on rejecting emotion leads to more of their number becoming sith, just like Anakin and Kylo. Their belief that they are the paragon of light side force is arrogant and led to their demise. 3) At this point in Star Wars, Kylo's ideals of leaving the past behind, jedi, sith, etc. is revolutionary and needed. If you know anything about Star Wars that doesn't take place in the prequel or original trilogy era, you would know that the majority of wars were started or influenced by those two forces. Both the sith and Jedi have fought for tens of thousands of years. For a peaceful galaxy to exist its logical to believe that both those religious groups need to be left in the annals of history. Believing in the power of flawed religious ideologies and not believing in the strength between people and acknowledging the life of all living things is a theme I feel needs to be explored more in Star Wars and this was the first movie that actively danced with that Idea. And lastly 4) It is very rare for any living human being to live up to their reputation and legend. Luke having fallen into despair was realistic. To expect people to not change and/or falter in 35 years is silly. When the expectation of Luke, both in universe and out, is to be this Jedi god it is near impossible to live up to those expectations. It also makes stakes non-existent when we can just rely on one singular person to save the galaxy. Even in the original Luke was aided by his friends and the rebel alliance. Having luke struggle to live up to his legend and in the end fulfill it as his final act was more impactful than a one man army like many fans were expecting. Sadly most of the other movies and the next one in this trilogy glorifies the Jedi and spites the Sith, seeing things in black and white and not grey as it should be seen. Most of these themes and ideas brought up in this movie were completely dropped in the episode 9 because the fans were sad that their exact expectations about this movie weren't met and cried like children. There are legitimate criticisms of this movie but the behavior of the SW community after this film especially involving the online abuse the actors experiences was atrocious.

[@randalthekidd7006]

yeah member when all the reylos sent death threats to daisy ridley and adam driver because the ship died, or when the lunatic sjw twitter people tried to cancel adam driver for joining the military because of 9/11. Overall this is the clear worst star wars movie as its not really a star wars movie at all and fails to achieve anything and ruins a lot. its also devoid of logic and filled with cringe. This is why it gets direct retcons in the next movie which is pathetic.

[@svenstereo8461]

1) The idea that the force can be hereditary but isn't always is incredibly banal. Do we really need another movie dedicated to how some people naturally excel where others have to struggle? It's a given. 2) The Jedi weren't forbidden from having emotion. They were forbidden from letting their emotions become a liability. The fact is that Anakin took the quick and easy path, ie repression, rather than genuinely mastering his emotions- hence the 'failure' of his teachers. To believe otherwise- that what they were trying to teach him was really at fault- is to pathologize reason itself. 3) Getting rid of Jedi and Sith doctrine wouldn't get rid of the force, force users, or conflict- but if it did it would be very weak storytelling. I would agree, though, that more ecological and philosophical depth would be welcome. 4) I would agree, IF we had actually seen that on screen. What we got was an exposition dump over a flashback. His 'failure' was as hollow as his victory where this movie is concerned.

[@XGhostGamerX8]

@@svenstereo8461 Agree to Disagree

[@lukerose384]

@@frfras7 I mean it's called star wars the last jedi

[@awesomedavid2012]

*throws lightsaber* Why would he do that? Me and Mark Hamill are asking ourselves that to this day

[@Bothandle70]

because his biggest achievement was throwing away the lighsaber in ROTJ?

[@Izzboticus]

He learned all throughout the movies that the best way to win was to not fight.

[@Bothandle70]

@@Izzboticus exactly. He just thought the same in TLJ. he even gives that explanation to Rey in the first lesson. Jedi does not equal to light. So he threw the lightsaber here again. Makes perfect sense. Besides he can achieve way more without it. Handing over lightsaber to him is like handing over a calculator to Einstein.

[@thewhatness]

@@Bothandle70 Finally, my people.

[@fruity2ty]

Rana seeing the milk scene was hilarious

[@sparrowlt]

it was more important scene than showing Luke grieving Han's death

[@DaJoka14]

Her pulling herself through space is just basic physics. If you think of the force as a rope (like pulling a lightsaber across the room), then think of a rope tied around her hand and attached to the ship. The smallest pull on a rope in space is enough to pull you any length because there's literally no resistance in space. Also when you pull on a "heavier" object than you, you will move toward it. So even if that kid with the broom was in space, he could pull himself toward a ship using even the tiniest force pull. How she survived in space without a suit is beyond me lol, no idea how that sht works.

[@mitchellbowker6017]

Rose, Finn, and Poe could have been done better, that part I agree is what turned me off the most, but I've come to forgive and accept A LOT in the prequel trilogy, and the Canto Bight scene really doesn't take that much time in the film. If we can accept the prequels this isn't so much a stretch. The fact so many people don't like how Luke is portrayed and how certain characters act or react is very much intentional. When Luke throws that laser sword away, the movie wants us to act shocked, in disbelief "That's not my Luke Skywalker" because it's not, he's changed after 30 years or so (we are all Rey in that moment), but in the end his spark is renewed. Rian very much knows what he is doing, and he does it well. Also, the fact that Rose, Finn, and Poe mission to save the fleet is pointless IS the point. As Yoda says, "The greatest teacher, failure is." This whole movie the Resistance is on the run, outgunned, outmatched, everything they attempt is a failure, pointless, the only thing they manage to do is to escape with barely enough resistance members left to make the Falcon a little crowded, but the learned from their mistakes, especially Poe, along the way. Ultimately, in the end, they did not fail their primary objective… to keep the spark alive. I really want to chat to people about this movie! Whether you liked it or not (especially if you didn't) throw me some comments or questions to see if we can hash this out in the most civilized way, no blasters! :P

[@jamescoalman8928]

I'm totally up for some civilized conversation! I agree with a lot of what you said here. This is easily my favorite of the sequels and I overall enjoy most of it. Like most, I think the Canto Bight stuff is the weakest part of the movie and it does drag it down a bit, but as you said it doesn't last too long. One other thing that I feel could have been handled a bit better in this movie is Finn's arc. I disagree with people who claim they "ruined Finn" in this movie or that he had no arc at all. He had a clear arc: By the end of TFA, he's willing to go to Starkiller base to try and shut down the shields, but only so he could save Rey, and he even lies about having the knowledge to shut down the shields so he can go there. This is where his character starts in TLJ, and he's once again willing to abandon the Resistance and run to go and find Rey. By the end of movie, he's now accepted his role in the Resistance and is willing to sacrifice himself for the few Resistance members that are left. So there is a clear A to B character arc, but I do think that the journey between those points could have been handled a bit better and we could have been given a bit more reason as to why he changes. He sees a bit of people suffering on Canto Bight, but the people suffering on Canto Bight are suffering from war profiteers and similar shady business, not directly because of the First Order. I think a better decision would have been for them to travel to a planet that is currently occupied by the First Order, which we don't really see in the sequels, and this would have been a good chance for both the audience and for Finn to see directly how their rule affects the people of the galaxy. The more times I watch this film, the more I genuinely come to love Luke's arc. It may be my favorite part of the film. I think it's the perfect final challenge for his character and his send off is incredible. He begins the movie disenchanted with the Jedi, but by the end not only has his belief renewed, but is given the most Jedi death in the saga. "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." Luke absolutely embodies this quote in his final moments, saving everyone in the Resistance without a drop of blood and without even actually being there. I love everything about that scene. I'd like to know what you thought of TROS. While I certainly don't hate it, I really do wish it had followed up more on the ideas and the general direction of TLJ. One of the biggest criticisms of the sequel trilogy is that it has no clear direction, but it takes three to create a pattern, and it was TROS that sent it ping-ponging back in the safe and simple direction of TFA. If the third movie in the trilogy had followed the path TLJ was on, I don't think it would have really been an issue. Instead, it felt like a lot of TROS was trying to be two movies in one, which is I think was really to its detriment. There are still some things that I like in that movie though.

[@marlonclark1896]

finally some who's taking a stand and speaking the truth

[@CoutureThug]

Episode 13? Someone needs roman numeral training

[@justme7625]

I personally think that Canto Bight was in fact the most essential part of the movie. It showcases how contributive war-profiting is to this seemingly never ending war and it also both solidifies and radicalizes Finn’s perception of the said war. I mean his character arc was always about being Rey’s sidekick but now he knows that there’s more than just being next to her running away from the chase of the FO. It also showcases how complicity is in fact the most contributive part of both war-profiting and the war itself, and the epitome of that is DJ.

[@Bothandle70]

agree. i'd actually go one step ahead and say that it didn't get enough screen time. lots of conflicts in this plots had to be told as expositions because of time limit.

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

But it doesn't make much sense to bring up war-profiting in this context - what does it mean? One of the sides is still so clearly worse than the other. "Oh but they're all actually having the weapons sold by the same people", ok, so what? It's not like that means they're all the same. One side is still planet-destroying space Nazis. We'll buy the weapons to shoot at them from whoever provides them. In what way exactly is this a deep insight?

[@justme7625]

@@HaganeNoGijutsushi the one that's profiting from this ain't from either side. They're a completely new faction of ppl.

[@Captaincrab77]

Whenever I teach film literature again, I could use the Canto Bight plot since it is is surely great for discussion or en essay. But I mean literally no one I know liked that plot after the film.

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

@@Captaincrab77 as an example of a jarring, superficial insertion? Because the problem isn't even in itself the idea of there being war profiteering in Star Wars - you would expect there should be, though Star Wars as a franchise has never been too good at building a solid, believable socio-economic background to its events because it's a bit too over-the-top a story for that. The problem is Canto Bight comes entirely out of nowhere, drops us into a random planet, tells us "here, these guys are the actually bad ones because they're selling weapons!", there's some chase that breaks shit (in a series of movies in which chases that break shit are pretty common), we're expected to see that as some sort of retribution for that evil, and then immediately we move on from there to the next plot point. It doesn't do any exploration of the concept or what it means to the Galaxy. Really, in a way this is a problem with the entire movie's thesis. The treatment of the Force is similar, Luke is disillusioned with the Jedi and all, but the reason why this seems so out of place is that there's never been ANY sign of the nuance you have in real world conflicts or political or religious differences, and even as all these things go on we have the space Nazis trying to kill every single last member of the Resistance, so it's a bit hard to buy into it. It has no impact on the judgement of anyone's actions, it doesn't even really change our view of the world, it's not well integrated in any meaningful way. People who liked it simply liked the idea of Star Wars including something that felt like a jab at real war issues rather than just random pew-pewing, but the problem is that if that jab is superficial and without any substance, all it does is break the tone without bringing anything useful.

[@jinxie712]

I'm totally with you on how they portrayed Luke. In every movie, Luke pouts when he fails. Something happens and he goes off to sulk. He failed big time with Ben and went off into his little corner. And I get the same push back which is basically "He's my nostalgia hero and shouldn't be anything but." To me ( I'm never trying to change anyone's mind), Luke was never that good of a fighter. I think Luke's legend is what we see at the end of this movie. It's what people hear through stories. He wouldn't be the guy to take on the First Order with a laser sword. The most he could do is rally people to the Resistance's cause through hope.

[@erikbrenner5138]

Yeah, like I really thought him in mandalorian was awesome but to me it was a cool nostalgic callback to the OT, and not much more. With the last Jedi I’m not saying they completely succeeded but I appreciated the attempt to give him a new character arc that would stick with people.

[@khalduras784]

You realize that youre essentially drawing examples mostly from A New Hope Luke right? Even ESB have Luke literally jump straight into danger just because his friends are in danger. Rotj has Luke straight up pull a suicide mission just because he believes that Yoda and Ben are wrong for giving up on Vader. What does any one these have anything to do with sulking in the corner? Especially when his failure in 8 actually end ul threatening the lives of his best friends that he wouldve preferred to die the first chance he gets? The problem isnt the concept of him falling to the darkside. The problem is how it was executed and the reasoning behind it. Ive checked iut the expanded universe. Even they did a more convincing Luke falls to the darkside story

[@mememachine147]

Bro like beat Vader in 6 lol and turned his father from the dark side, a man completely devoid of the light side. This Luke is not the Luke we were left off with

[@jinxie712]

@@mememachine147 he beat him using anger. Which means he tapped into the dark side to achieve it. He also jumped from behind a pillar (which was behind Vader) and surprised him (“Nani?”). He was losing in a straight up fight. He then beat the guy while he was on the ground like he had a bat. Total badass. Just went to see if Disney+ had it in Japanese to see if Vader said “Nani?” in that moment... lol

[@mememachine147]

@@jinxie712 yeah and he still had the strength to not join the dark side, you’re not getting the point

[@JedHead77]

In the Clone Wars series, jedi *have* survived in space.

[@EalainEP]

Really? The only time I can think where they're in space is plo koon and he specifically has the rebreather mask

[@JoeFF85]

Kanan Jarrus survives an Airlocking in Rebels, even rescues himself similarly, though with more acrobatics

[@beaustoker3466]

@@JoeFF85 I need the sauce on that one.

[@seth-nico]

@@JoeFF85 Kanan wasn’t completely unconscious to the brink of death though...

[@TheColorOfCaramel]

This was too funny! I really enjoyed watching your reactions to this...love the movie or hate it, it really did have s couple of good moments in it. 24:48 LOL! For a second I thought my computer froze! :-D 43:43 The thing I appreciated the most in TLJ was the introduction of the Force Bond. After seeing ALL the movies, I was like 'FINALLY something different in Star Wars that has *never* been discussed before.'

[@eabrevolution]

The joke you made about being Robophobic will be a sensitive subject in 50years xD

[@brucegil]

I'm with Marketa on this one. This is my favorite Star Wars movie.

[@reflectionist]

11:28 - When Suraj said, "Controversial opinion, I've always hated C-3PO." And I had to pause and do a double take... my man, please tell me you're not solo dolo-ing some Wild Turkey American Honey straight from the BOTTLE? LMFAO!

[@hankscorpio7767]

Ngl, this was my favorite reaction from Suraj of all time lol You gotta be drunk to enjoy this trilogy.

[@TazorNissen]

Yoda: “Failure is the greatest teacher” Normies: yeah! Finn and co fail their mission Normies: their mission was pointless. Did they learn something or not??

[@khalduras784]

Problem is that this failure hardly thought them much at all especially under the context of their own trilogy. Not to mention Rose's quote before the kiss was still dumb as fuck.

[@yukadsfa]

“Saving what we love” almost killed everybody

[@danielgarza8219]

Didn't kill one single person. Fuck outta here with that.

[@synthtonic4954]

Even much worse about that scene in my opinion: She said this to a person, who WAS selflessly TRYING TO SAVE the ones HE LOVES, just after she stopped him from trying. I honestly like a lot about this movie, but to me this is one of the worst scenes in the whole franchise. xD

[@sparrowlt]

@@synthtonic4954 the sama character that after fucking up the mission (in ways they even not yet knew) says it was worth it after freeing ONE SPACE HORSE (and probably causing countless troubles and extra myssery to slave kids)

[@synthtonic4954]

@@sparrowlt Yes, phenomenal scene on all levels! xD

[@kalebdiaz1671]

Well what would you call Luke Skywalker did with Darth Vader did he fight what he hate or saved what he loved

[@__Sauron_]

God this movie... I hated it when I saw it in theater so when I saw rose “saving” Finn who tried to sacrifice himself to save everyone else and she just kisses him and says some bs I walked out

[@MontgomeryWenis]

Yeaaaaahhhhh, this was the second movie in a month I watched in IMAX and got totally burned on. Ragnarok was the month before and it was *TRASH* and I actually audibly groaned constantly during this one. Such a waste of money.

[@NeilPower]

Don't forget that during the kiss, the cannon that Finn was trying to ram when she stopped him, finally fires and kills who knows how many people on their side. Good job Rose!

[@__Sauron_]

@@NeilPower 👏👏

[@Carabas72]

Finn was going to be just a bug on a windshield if he had crashed into that cannon, doing no damage to it at all.

[@levinabear5234]

@@Carabas72 The cannon was powering up though. Anything disrupting that power generation would have caused a feed back or an overload. Would it have been destroyed? Probably not but it would have been damaged to the point it would need engineers to repair it buying the resistance much needed time. And honestly Rose should not have been able to catch up to finn in the first place.

[@abbaskazmi2558]

Kylo doesn't even need a Respirator.

[@mr.moviemafia]

“I know y’all are gonna jump on me over this, but I fucks with this trilogy over the prequels, I’m so so so so sorry!” - Chris (SAME Chris, don’t worry man, I got ya back!)

[@jaijais]

all the missions failing is the point. “Failure, the greatest teacher is.”

[@jaijais]

also canto bight is showing that evil in the galaxy is not just evil force users or just the Empire/FO, it’s also people who take advantage of the endless war for their own gain, it’s complicity

[@thewhatness]

We love when people are able to read the text and engage with it deeper.

[@EalainEP]

@@jaijais but it has no pay off, if you're c plot literally has no point except for going "but look the world isn't black and white" (something we've seen plenty of times in star wars before) the entire story becomes pointless

[@thewhatness]

@@EalainEP ..And we hate when people _don't_ engage with fhe text...

[@jaijais]

@@EalainEP there is payoff for all the failures though-the normies noted poe’s choice to pull off his troops to prevent casualties, rey learns that she cannot save kylo and ben’s turn must be of his own volition, and while finn initial fixation on just making sure his friend comes to no harm becomes an all-in dedication to the cause. you may think you’ve seen it before, but it’s important for the characters’ development, and you many not agree with it, but it’s all in the movie.

[@sandmansleeps657]

"Please sir, may I have some Force?" Best line of the reaction.

[@donovan802]

Was anyone else watching this in theaters and heard a girl swooning over shirtless Adam Driver? No complaints, and I don’t necessarily blame them.

[@SSDConker2]

I mean have you seen when John Oliver swooned over him on several episodes of Last Week Tonight this past year?

[@bencebotye3904]

@@SSDConker2 Suraj can't imitate John Oliver's thirst over Adam Driver, but his try was still hilarious! :D

[@donovan802]

@@SSDConker2 Oh yeah. I loved that!

[@bigboy2154]

no but at the midnight premier I was at as soon as the film ended everyone collectively got up and said rogue one was better.

[@JedHead77]

Star Wars fans: “The Force Awakens is too similar!” Same fans: “The Last Jedi is too different!”

[@Bodanki]

It wasnt the same fans, but nice try. And its not that the Last Jedi was different, its that it was shit. I suppose that is different. The other star wars films prior to TLJ were good.

[@JedHead77]

@@Bodanki Remember when the prequels were bashed? After years with no Star Wars, they hated Lucas. Same with the sequels: “We need more Star Wars after so many years!” And after the sequels came out, they now they wanted George back? 🤦🏻‍♂️🙄

[@Fangtorn]

@@JedHead77 You know fanbases aren't monoliths, right? Some fans can hate something, or think something is too similar, and others can love something or think its too different. Some can even think one thing and change their minds later, like I used to hate the prequels, but I now have more of an appreciation for them.

[@JedHead77]

@@Fangtorn But there are those who dislike others for liking something, and continue to say they’re right when they bash the sequels.

[@kevinc1745]

@@Bodanki Lmfao attack of the clones is horrific, but okay sport

[@reflectionist]

You know - wouldn't it be hilarious if nobody in the First Order had ever seen Kylo Ren without his helmet before this movie? They were pretty serious about that in The Force Awakens, right? Now rewatch the scene from The Last Jedi, where Kylo Ren goes full Pete Wentz and destroys his helmet in the elevator. He immediately gets out and barks at the two random-ass Officers, "PREPARE MY SHIP!" And then he stalks off, huffing and puffing. The Officers share a quick glance, and then it cuts to the next scene. But if it had gone just a SECOND longer, you KNOW the Officer was about to say, "Who the fuck was that guy?"

[@roronoazoro0319]

black dude likes the new trilogy more than the prequel trilogy, guy has some of the most out there opinions ever lmao

[@terminatrix92]

Most people don't like the Rose and Finn storyline because they set out to do a task and fail; but as Yoda points out 'the greatest teacher failure is'. Finn was a survivor who didn't believe in his cause but when he saw the worst of Selfishness on Kantobite he changed. Also we see at the end of the film that their gesture inspired hope in those kids who will most likely go on to rebel and even be Jedi. Its subversive storytelling but its important to think outside the box

[@nelsonogbuigwe7500]

He went through this arc in tfa

[@razmataz3092]

"Please sir, may I have some force?", that shit killed me. Jeeeez

[@Dogbarkssome]

For all it's flaws, I found this the most enjoyable of the sequel trilogy. Episode 7 was a vacuous remake, Episode 9 was a complete mess - at least this one carved its own path and told an interesting story, rather than just regurgitating the usual beats. The middle film of a trilogy is also the one where you should throw a curve ball, and everything gets upended before being restored in the final film ('Empire Strikes Back' did something similar, pissing all over the continuity of the previous film). The problem is there was no forward planning, so the three instalments don't gell as they should and come together into one cohesive story.

[@lidanikunst]

3:22 That is honestly one of the funniest mindblowing ideas I have not seen anyone address at all! 😂🤣

[@jstarwars360]

The Last Jedi is like The Matrix Reloaded. I'm not sure if either one was a great film but both are certainly full of great moments. Last Jedi - Throne Room Battle --> Ending Matrix Reloaded - Smith Fight - Hallway Battle I know a lot of people say the highway chase is the best set piece; but, I don't know it never really grabbed me.

[@MrkDorker]

The throne room battle doesn't hold up on rewatches, try focusing on any of the extras and you'll see them screwing up. It's like they literally okay'd the first take.

[@SparaticSpartan]

10:10 “Steven crowder” 😂😂😂😂

[@ryhnoking]

Rana be thirsty for them physically and emotionally scared boys. Zuko, Shoto and now Kylo😂

[@runamohammad3507]

I’m not gonna deny that! Lol

[@auntvesuvi3872]

I love EPISODE VIII... and I'm so glad you all watched it with open hearts and open minds... and liked it, too. ✨

[@mlgnerd13]

I'm here for Marketa saying this was the best. I don't agree, but it's definitely up there for me

[@JS-ct3kr]

I really really dislike the Poe/Holdo and Finn/Rose subplots in this movie, but one thing that's never changed since the first time I watched this was my love for Luke, Rey, and Kylo's story. I know people hated how much of a miserable bastard Luke was, and I get it, but to me that was so much more interesting than him being a zen space jesus, and in the end he still proved to be the best of the Jedi, using his godly mastery of the force from lightyears away to non-violently defend those he cared about. People will disagree, and that's cool, but I personally love what Rian Johnson tried to do with Star Wars. Hopefully he still gets to make his trilogy from the ground up with an actual roadmap instead of whatever they tried to do with this trilogy.

[@IanM92]

I love those other two storylines!

[@tvftw1]

34:48 "[The Last Jedi] said fuck all that new, different shit" is an interesting take

[@thewhatness]

I trust Micky the least.

[@TacoGiraffen]

So if thats so intresting. Whats there to look forward to in episode 9 after watching this movie? Like we know it goes nowhere with it. This movie is bad and you know it. Its okay to like bad movies thoe.

[@thewhatness]

@@TacoGiraffen Don't tell me what I know, this movie is awesome. If you think there's nothing that could've followed this, you need a better imagination.

[@TacoGiraffen]

Like I said. What is there to look forward to in the next movie in your opinion?

[@davadh]

5:10 "That's not how object reacts in space..." You can hear the damn lasers and TIE Fighters sounds in space since Star Wars... gtfo

[@thefatman2780]

REY GOING PRIMAL RAGE IS FUKKIN HOT

[@thewhatness]

YES, FERAL REY 🔥🔥🔥

[@lidanikunst]

31:16 Broom boy has the force 🧹

[@bobdonda]

I really like the character of Rose. I just wish she was in a better movie, and that her character was given something to do in the movie that matters.

[@bencebotye3904]

Honestly like the Last Jedi, but her character should better use. I see what Rian Johnson wanted that storyline, just don't work. Also: love that moment when the fans applauded for Kelly Marie Tran at Episode IX panel in 2019, she don't deserve that shit.

[@ThisisKyle]

Her character is terrible and crazy, "Save what we live, not destroy what we hate" as the Resistance base is being destroyed in the background

[@Xardion55]

One of the few criticisms I have of the movie is that while I don't mind her, it seemed that she was given more attention than she probably should have for a secondary character.

[@19Rena96]

@@ThisisKyle Hate will always conjure up more hate.

[@Giblet12]

@@19Rena96 Ok Nagato

[@Super_Middleman]

The reason fans hated this movie was because subverting expectations isn't a good thing in and of itself. Star Wars was always supposed to be a spectacular looking but basic (and slightly predictable) heroes journey. Fans wanted a familiar inner framework with new outer shell. What they got was a poorly structured story, that fell into the fallacy of thinking that different equals better.

[@alexanderthegreat5649]

That's your opinion my guy you can't speak for what everyone wanted. I've heard fans wanting something much different than what we've gotten for 6 previous films, and basically plenty of them wanted video game SW. This is also no knock to your wants if that's what you wanted it's fine but people have different outlooks. What you explained as what star wars is "supposed to be" I've never heard anyone else make that claim it's different things for different people. Some people love the family aspect, some loved the religious allegories, I personally just like the force and lightsabers and care nothing about the nostalgia or wanting inclusion of EU materials and things like that. In fact this trilogy helped do something none of the old films did which was actually like the main characters I never was a fan of Han, Luke, Leia they were all annoying to me so I didn't have the same outlook with that. Nor did I want the same shit I've seen before I wanted subverted expectations, I was fine with the decisions made and I'm not saying to get over it or that it's better than any other film just that not everyone feels the same and wanted the same. Also lets admit that this film did a lot of things that were the same as the OT and no one hated than people care to admit.

[@Super_Middleman]

@@alexanderthegreat5649 C'mon man, I obviously don't speak for every fan. But having been a Star Wars fan for 40+ years I remember what a lot of people liked about the original movies. They liked the spectacle, they liked the sense of fun, they like seeing heroes actually being heroic and overcome evil, they liked menacing villains and storylines that tied together. And I stand by my assessment of what it was supposed to be because George Lucas himself said that Star Wars was inspired by pulp serials he enjoyed in his youth. The three movies that George Lucas was intimately involved in (Ep 1-6) were very straight forward hero tales. There was no subversion, no "killing the past" no large blocks of superfluous story, no 180 character shifts (between films). I'm glad you liked Ep 8, but it wasn't what Star Wars was meant to be (in my opinion)

[@Izzboticus]

I'm glad that many of the Normies enjoyed this film. It's definitely one of the best, and that's coming from a hardcore Star Wars fan.

[@prog1853]

I’m just curious, what makes you like it so much?

[@CaptainAmercia]

great film just did not care for the story and how some characters were treated. Still i would rank it higher than Force awakens hated how the New Republic was pretty much destroyed with zero screen time. Rise of Skywalker i didn't even watch.

[@Sergio-bh7cu]

"Good save Rose" That was literally the dumbest thing Rose could have done. Not only should it have killed both of them, she pretty much would have gotten everyone in the bunker killed if not for Luke showing up to distract the first order.

[@umarsaddique710]

Exactly

[@ThisisKyle]

Ah someone else that actually paid attention when they watch movies

[@parkerhaller4738]

I absolutely love this movie. It’s wholly original while still feeling like Star Wars. There are five major and clear character arcs, the best cinematography of the entire series, and the most vulnerable and relatable the characters have ever been for me. On a side note I would like to remind everyone that JJ Abrams was the one who put Luke on the island and said he failed and exiled himself

[@michaelsmithlin3755]

Luke wasn’t relatable in og trilogy??? Neither was obi wan of anakin?

[@parkerhaller4738]

@@michaelsmithlin3755 I just really relate to heroes having problems, doubts, fear, and insecurity, and then overcoming them. And for me that was Luke, Rey, Finn, and Kylo in this movie

[@thewhatness]

Luke is by far his most interesting self.here. Actually having to reckon with his own legacy and the failure of the Jedi. Makes his final gambit on Crait all the more meaningful.

[@michaelsmithlin3755]

@@parkerhaller4738 characters that have fear, insecurities, and problems : Anakin, Obi-wan, Luke. You implied that none of these characters have such arcs and journeys in your comment btw

[@Avenger85438]

I personally believe that the line _"Let the past die."_ is often misunderstood, by the films detractors and supporters. It's just Kylo spouting the philosophy he's latched onto in desperation to get out of whatever shadow he's perceives himself to be under. This film is a deconstruction/reconstruction. Showing how things can go wrong but it also highlights why things should work out. That perhaps the best answer to disillusionment is to reconcile and make peace with whatever it is you've lost faith in, even if it's inside yourself. Since those who don't might only make things worse. Especially if that stance rooted in bitterness. It's a far more hopeful message then some are willing to give it credit for. Which is why I also believe it to be superior to the game KOTOR 2 which had similar deconstructionist themes, but fell too often into author tract and bleakness to be considered a fair argument in my book.