FIVE BY FIVE ETERNITY - Angel 1x17+18 - Group Reaction

[@Thenormies]

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[@MahajanCreationOfficial]

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[@okaypeekay]

Awesome!!

[@RLucas3000]

Spidey is so Robin Wood! Also, anyone watching Lucifer?

[@Mistr_Anderson]

Faith was standing in front of the window to stay in the sun. She exits thru the window so he can't follow her ... and it's a cooler exit. lol

[@IAMHIM15]

No Micky, not like a cured sociopath. Essentially Liam to Angelus was a devolution and Angelus to Angel was an evolution. Angel getting his soul back just gave him remorse, empathy. He had to struggle to be good, choose to do good. Crawl back to humanity. Faith is nowhere near as evil, just lost. but she has a shorter road to doing good again. She's been failed by everyone in her life, except Buffy & Angel.

[@frnknstndrgqn]

Eliza's acting was so good in that last scene. You can't help but feel bad for her. Of course it doesn't justify her actions but it's hard not to feel bad.

[@lemmyelk]

She does make me rethink my stances on criminal punishment so it's good writing. I still think she should have payed the ultimate price before she was reformed. She did too much in season 3 of buffy. Great character though

[@jp3813]

I've seen a few reactors who didn't feel bad for her, like SoraMiyano.

[@bensneb360]

Faith in Angel are some of my favorite episodes, truly the shows very best stories

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Angel and Faith is one of the best dynamics in all of the Buffyverse. They both understand each other and have each others’ backs. It’s like a true platonic soul mate situation. They just get each other. One of the best decisions was to bring Faith over to Angel.

[@alanscott6005]

that's why they have best comic book from Buffyverse together in my opinion

[@Ren_Davis0531]

@ I’ve read some of that. Definitely better than the Buffy comics that I read 😂

[@arc7375]

Shame she didn’t stay.

[@scottwallbank4794]

Angel is in his 240s at the time of this. This has been established in the shows for ages and repeated multiple times. He was sired in 1753 by Darla (Becoming part 1) and cursed in 1898 (Becoming and multiple others). He spend nearly a hundred years souled and isolated before the start of Buffy.

[@rfresa]

It's interesting to look back at Buffy season 1 and realize that Angel was still drinking human blood and didn't have the guts to go into the Master's lair. He had a soul, but didn't become a champion until Buffy inspired him to be better.

[@Darkstar72SR]

Math hard!

[@tortoiseoflegends4466]

Plus the 100 or so years he spent in Hell, which in fairness gets ignored 99% of the time.

[@bad71able]

Pretty sure Rebecca's manager doesn't mean romantically when he says he loves her. Oliver is the same manager that gave Angel his card in episode 1 and he is still presumably in a serious relationship with a landscape architect.

[@KitsuneRokaku]

22:54 😂😂😂 "THAT STUNTMAN IS DEAD!" My exact reaction

[@zenithquasar9623]

Angel is 243 yrs old…1890s he gets his soul and for 100 yrs he is with his soul. For 140 yrs before that he is soulless. So, no, there is no continuity error.

[@valeriem.8112]

Lol it’s not really a spoiler it’s just information, but one day Cordy is gonna say : « it’s not that vampires don’t photograph, it’s just that they don’t photograph WELL » lol

[@jimmygreer2140]

I think Chris also needs to understand that Faith is also like 17 but only conscience for like a very immature 15.5-16 of those years. Also, I think Wesley realized that Faith was torturing him because 1) they have some kinda bad history together but more importantly 2) to give Angel the motivation he'd need to kill her. Yeah, I'd still kinda wanna get my revenge for that shit...but that was a pretty genuine breakdown of someone hitting rock bottom so my revenge feels rather petty in comparison.

[@Desibeatnik]

In Season 1 of Angel, he is 243.

[@FREEkdaman]

Of years sense he was turned, we don't know how long he was in the hell dimension for.

[@MrSupertallblackman]

​​@@FREEkdamanWell we know that it was at least 100 years based on a comment he makes later.

[@davidmernick7360]

Vampires CAN be photographed. All the way back in Buffy season two Giles shows her a photograph of Drusilla when he tries to find out if she was the vampire Buffy had spotted talking to Angel. Also the vampire from Buffy's 18th birthday that abducted Joyce took a bunch of Polaroids of her, but some of them are selfies he took with her.

[@Desibeatnik]

And Spike had someone videotape Buffy fighting a vampire so he could study her moves.

[@alexgraetzer]

Cordelia’s iconic line: they photograph they just don’t photograph well

[@yotuel9064]

And there are no mirrors in cameras only lenses.

[@IaHa-rr3hl]

@@yotuel9064 There was a mirror in cameras at the time, but they reflected the image to the cameras viewfinder. This means that the photograhers shouldn't see a vampire when looking through the viewfinder, but they would appear in the photo. The show got around this issue by ignoring it.

[@Mistr_Anderson]

@@Desibeatnik Mr. Trick videotaped himself for "Slayer Fest" 98.

[@matthewcohare]

Angelus and Faith… Such a good string of episodes. Angel stays phenomenal for a WHILE after this.

[@nilesstark]

With Eternity, I like how they teased Angelus. But with Five by Five, I was almost fed up with Faith. I was ready for her to end. But then Faith breaks down and I start to care again.

[@yotuel9064]

You can fix her xD

[@arc7375]

@@yotuel9064 She fixes herself. The _best_ kind of fixing.

[@lunaloutfy]

Yayyy omg I’ve been waiting to share this fun fact about the rain in the alleyway scene aka the iconic scene where Faith finally lets her walls down and breaks down in Angel’s arms. Basically, they originally wanted to make it rain in that scene, but they couldn’t find a way around it in terms of logistics, but to their luck, it ACTUALLY rained in real life while they were about to film the scene, so they instantly made it happen, as if it were a sign from the universe for them to go for it in the manner they initially wanted. And when Wesley drops the knife at the end there… ugh the sound of it when it clatters down to the ground alongside the sound of the rain and thunder is just so damn perfect and heartbreakingly beautiful. It’s moments/episodes like this where I often find myself thinking about how much I prefer the show Angel to Buffy because of the dark atmosphere and the redemption arcs or character developments that we get to see, such as Angel, Faith, Cordelia, Wesley, Lilah, and Darla’s growths. I’m more drawn to darker storylines, which is why I say so! And the reason why I’m talking about the other characters too is because these aren’t spoilers for you guys. You’re already so far ahead on patreon and twitch, which I don’t have access to because I can’t afford them, so this is where I can comment on your Angel reactions :)

[@boo5860]

Angel is a show about redemption so yeah there's really no way they were ever gonna kill faith

[@johncombs829]

They are not familiar with Christian Kane. I guess they never watched Leverage, The Librarians, or the Friday Night Lights movie.

[@MargflowerProduction]

Micky's delivery on the "Wolfram & Fart" joke is why I find him hilarious. Miss seeing him on the Buffy episodes. 10/10

[@ernesthakey3396]

"They don't show up in pictures, I don't think." Well... Black & white photo of Darla in Giles' book Spike has a vamp videotaping Buffy fighting another vampire around Halloween, the vamp shows up in the footage... Vampires show up in security camera footage...

[@BrienBellJTS]

“I wish we had more Black characters…” Spidey, you’re about to get your wish.

[@pauldourlet]

Angel was turned around 1750-he was about 22-24 years old, and he is killed by Darla and becomes a vampire. So figure he was born around 1728-1726. He eats the Gypsy Girl in 1898 and is cursed with his soul. In 1996-1997 -Whistler shows him Buffy and he moves to Sunny Dale. This is 2024 so figure if Angel were real and alive today he is just short of 300 years old.

[@NanaAphesis]

FUN FACT: In an interview Eliza said that after this episode she cried for days because she was having some issues in her life. Even David Boreanaz was shocked with her reaction because they had just one take (Eliza just wanted to read the script and do it one time) So David was really caught by surprise. In another interview Eliza said that Faith was a bit like her and with time they kinda "made each other" She said it was good to grow with Faith and learn to face her own problems. Both of them were in pain. 'till this day Faith is Eliza's most precious character in her life.

[@anothervagabond]

There's a lot of talk about all the people Faith's killed, but in reality at this point she's only intentionally killed two people, one of whom was a shady dealer in demonic artifacts who had something they needed, and the other was specifically on the orders of the Mayor to keep information out of the Scoobies' hands. I'm not saying that makes it okay, of course, but it's not like she's some kind of wanton mass-murderer. She talks a big game but she doesn't *actually* go around killing people just because she likes killing people.

[@Mister_Sato]

The friendship/interaction and jokes on the couch are what I wish I had when watching stuff. You'll never see this: value your friendship and these moments. Laughter is a precious thing. Thank you for the laughs.

[@pauldourlet]

At the end of the episode, when Angel and Faith are fighting in the rain --that is real rain. It started coming down in buckets, and they went for it

[@DougMike666]

in that scene he was hungry and attacked that woman, but he stopped because he simply couldn't do it anymore, he was not capable to anything to her

[@JHowesitgoing123]

Two really great episodes from the first season

[@Ts-lz1gj]

If you look at how faith expression when she held Wesley hostage and told him *I want to hear you scream* she wanted his approval of her being bad. She doesn’t want to be.

[@BrienBellJTS]

@ Pat in the end credits intro: I hope y’all read about what happened with Charisma Carpenter in season 4, and how awful she was treated.

[@BigDic420-i1j]

I met her sitting next to Stacy dash who I ignored completely chris a savage

[@hkaayaakuu]

Well done rana for figuring it 5 by 5

[@hkaayaakuu]

We're finally back withthe rogue dishonoured slayer herself whos dad was a insect demon

[@killianlpc]

A brilliant episode from S1 really a two part episode with the next one Sanctuary. Here we see Faith again who has completely lost control, after escaping Sunnydale from Buffy. She comes to L.A. to wreak more havoc. A brilliant comedy moment when Angel is talking to the 'Suit' in Wolfram & Hart with business speak, and he doesn't know who he is, a parody of Michael J Fox in Secret Of My Success. A fantastic ending in the alleyway in the rain ( this show loves alleyways in the rain) with Faith begging Angel for help after her serious nervous breakdown. Angel knows what she has gone through and offers help. A great final shot of Wesley in the distance as well dropping the knife. One of the most iconic endings to any episode in The Buffyverse. This episode and the following one E19 are two of the best from both shows.

[@Wine-N-Steak]

Now, finally, on to season two and Wes will finally start to get the respect he deserves from you guys 🎭🏆 Oh and less mentioning of the other show (Buffy).

[@pauldourlet]

Angelus --is a vampire without a soul and a cold-blooded killer with no conscience. Angel is a vampire who is cursed with a soul and has a conscience . If you have not watched Dr, Jekyll and Mr Hyde, you need to watch it. May I recommend .the one with Frederick March and the one with Jack Palance . Interesting twist to watch is Dr. Jekyll and Misses Hyde, with former Bond Girl Martine Beswick as Hyde.

[@tehcoolemu]

Really enjoyed this, so don't get the wrong idea from the specifics here seeming critical. I'm not sure why Chris is so hung up on the "200 years" thing, treating it like an exact figure rather than an incredibly rough way to indicate "a long-ass time." We literally saw him in a flashback in the 1750s a few episodes ago. Also not sure why Suraj was talking about "13 colonies off the coast of what we thought was India" in like... 1900 or something. Pretty sure there were 40-something states by then, and millions of Irish people had already come over to escape the great potato famine. Most confusingly, though... multiple episodes in one video, but still splitting up a 2-parter? But hhwhy?

[@hkaayaakuu]

Its like faith never left

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

Charisma only charged me £40 to sign my Playboy .

[@BusoRockin1000]

Pat is absolutely Faith. Rana is Cordelia

[@hkaayaakuu]

Im five by five B. Always gets me

[@Ghost8386]

Both great episodes.

[@nathanielhoward1498]

Chris is back to spoiling things now… like in his ATLA faze.

[@gregwodzynski941]

Fun times ahead

[@TheLiamster]

Faith is hot but Cordelia is my wife

[@BoxGhost-b9i]

Cordy's fine until she cuts her hair.

[@Mistr_Anderson]

@@BoxGhost-b9i Gets pregnant

[@mikeparez]

So glad they uploading their angel episodes now’

[@hkaayaakuu]

I met the other faith lianne before I met our faith leanne. And I couldn't put the 2 and 2 together

[@powerof3ozzyluver2]

Darla should of got penalized also she gave him the gypsy

[@Bizarro_52]

Random Trivia: There is an Angel Easter Egg in Avengers Age of Ultron

[@Zoidberryable]

Suraj nailed it on the head by comparing Angel's past to Faith's present. A big part of this show is getting the audience to grapple with the idea of redemption and if you can truly atone from evil deeds in your past. It's way more engaging (imo) than just killing off Faith like a monster of the week.

[@Alejandro333777]

Ngl yall kinda ruined the emotional impact of the ending of the episode tbh

[@Buffy8Fan]

1x17 I was incredible curious to see what they made of the Angel thinking he's Angelus because of the Doximal storyline that is the climax of _Eternity._ I wasn't disappointed with said reaction. I love that Thhe Normies realized with this episode that it wasn't the sex and it was all about the chemical of the drugs that made him forget Angelus' guilt because of how high he was from the drug and how that opens up all the other dangers of what Angel has to be careful of. 1x18 I was also curious about their reaction to the end of this episode. I loved that the writers arc-ed Faith hating herself, definitely since before she arrived in Sunnydale, but now its all caught up to her and she is just trying to use Angel to commit suicide by vampire without not fighting. Who said Faith was on the team, Chris? The end of this episode is Faith hitting rock bottom. She's still wanted by the authorities and Angel is the only one in the group who could ever have a chance at helping her (or wants to) as he once told Buffy back in S3 when they talked about Faith having a taste for killing now.

[@12chapin]

Hey guys, if you pay attention to different episodes Weasley is becoming less foolish and the comic guy with each episode and more of a serious guy.

[@mikebalestra8348]

Faith was so good in this episode. Eliza is a phenomenal actress! And that club scene - still HOT after all these years ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@andys8483]

Still kinda pissed she never got a series of her own... Faith & Willow have always been my favourite characters from the Buffyverse.

[@arc7375]

@@andys8483 They offered her one. She didn’t want it. She said there’s nothing they can do with Faith on her show that hasn’t already been done in Buffy and Angel.

[@andys8483]

@arc7375 a shame ☹️ I did watch a few episodes of her Dollhouse series, but just couldn't really muster any enthusiasm to continue with it.

[@chrispeterson3362]

I have G Gundam on DVD and just binged it a few weeks ago. No one ever remembers it thank you for always bringing it up

[@hkaayaakuu]

Awww he met charisma . Do bring the playboy good note. But she with ray fisher killed the dceu. Sad for those snyder fans

[@dwnkaomwn3953]

Great, another familiar(Blade reference).

[@arc7375]

The final part with Faith screaming that she’s bad and begs Angel to end her is deeply raw and agonising. You forget for a moment that you’re watching a TV show.

[@TheVampyrOfMyli]

@ 4:39, that actor .... no lie will play another character years later in season 5... the fact i never noticed until now how many actors were reused over the seasons of buffy and angel was amazing 20 years later and just now noticed a lot. Like hidden gems of actors being reused on the same show

[@McCrispyTaco]

It’s killing me, who??

[@nilesstark]

There is that one guy in S7 of Buffy that ended up in Angel. Brian Thompson appeared in Buffy twice as 2 different characters. Both of them got whacked by Buffy.

[@nilesstark]

Kal Penn was in Buffy and Angel.

[@nilesstark]

Another one was Noel G aka Hector that was also in Buffy and Angel.

[@TheVampyrOfMyli]

@@McCrispyTaco her agent with the glasses, he comes back as another character in season five... no difference in hair and everything lol

[@hkaayaakuu]

Im bad

[@Ghost8386]

RIP Tyler Christopher.

[@killianlpc]

Eternity was an interesting episode exploring the power of celebrity and how people can be taken in and manipulated by it. Angel having his drink spiked being drugged and almost getting that moment of pure happiness makes us anxious watching this. Funny when Cordelia calls her a slut, accusing her of having sex with Angel. Wesley knows it's not real and just an illusory feeling and saves the day here. Again the episode shows the dangers is spiking or drugging people as you never know what the consequences can be. Funniest part when Angelus tells Cordelia having to sit through her acting was even worse than being to Hell itself! This now sets up nicely E18 an E19 very much a two parter as good as anything from either show. Enjoy!

[@MarkusR144]

If Angel is responsible for the things Angelus did while in his body, Buffy is responsible for the things Faith did while in Buffy's body.

[@darkxmelodyx89]

I wonder if Faith seems so much stronger sometimes bc she's not holding back her strength when fighting humans. I wonder how much Buffy holds back.

[@hkaayaakuu]

I saw wrong turn starring eliza dushku

[@frisc0pn0ib0i]

There’s a documentary of charisma’s attack.

[@joshfaruque8929]

All the normies hoping Faith dies meanwhile I'm sobbing at Faith begging Angel to unalive her lol

[@tylertravis5273]

Poor essay?

[@samrobotsin]

serious question: Have faith & cordelia actually interacted before this episode?

[@bad71able]

Not really. The closest before this was Cordy sitting around and looking annoyed as Xander was begging Faith for more stories, but the two had never spoleed directly to each other on screen.

[@notoriouslybratty]

They are in season 5 now… maybe they should have happy pilled him instead of temporarily removing his soul in season 4 to get the information.

[@Belnick6666]

Angel have not deleted anyone, how can they be so medically ret¤¤¤¤¤ after watching so many episode.....Angel/Liam was dead, he was in heaven or hell, Angelus was the one who was deleting people, not the human, only the demon. How is it so hard to grasp??? NOTHING the demon did is the fault of Angel, lol

[@SutraRein-xy4qr]

Because they’re bloody idiots that’s why. They talk and scream over every bloody thing, so is it that surprising they barely grasp the plot. This show is wasted on them........

[@Mistr_Anderson]

Didn't he get his soul back? Liam's soul? Slayers also have demon in them. That's where they get their powers.

[@jameshopkins9263]

Hate to be that guy but, who else had 49:00 on repeat? Dayummm!🥵🥵🥵

[@Eldaaa]

She is hot to be fair 😅

[@MahajanCreationOfficial]

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[@dwnkaomwn3953]

I agree with Chris. Faith being in a coma wasn't enough to keep her in check. Forgive her if some of y'all like, but she should be dealt with with extreme prejudice.

[@ElleKayGee]

Yeah, but being in a coma doesn’t equal therapy; and she is in desperate need of therapy.

[@Zoidberryable]

What about Angel, Anya, and Spike then? They've done evil things including killing countless people as well (with no remorse in certain cases). I disagree with Chris' take because it's very black and white. There's no room for potential development or considering whether a character deserves a chance at redemption in the first place. You don't have to forgive Faith but I think her character development is very compelling.

[@Mistr_Anderson]

I don't know why the counsel didn't capture her when she was first in a coma. lol

[@Mistr_Anderson]

@@Zoidberryable Yeah, Chris always seems to have recency bias. He forgets the many characters that have done many more evil things than Faith & have had a chance to atone. lol

[@ShawnMythicGamer]

ZANPAKUTO REBELLION ARC IN BLEACH IS CANON NOW. Shunsui Kyoraku's bankai manifesting in TYBW confirms this. Please go back and watch this amazing Arc you skipped.

[@Schmitty7546]

Not a great fan of hearing a person saying they would ignore someone because of their politics (unless we're talking straight-up irredeemable evil, in which case I'd get it). Although, not being from the US, maybe it is because I don't know the lady

[@Mistr_Anderson]

Maybe y should look up what Dash has said first to understand why he would not want to interact with her.

[@Schmitty7546]

@@Mistr_Anderson that's the thing - I did. I found some stuff that seemed annoying, loud-mouthed and dumb, but nothing from the quick glance that I got seemed so irredeemably evil that I'd pointedly ignore her, if I happened to bump into the lady in public. Unless I happened to miss a particularly heinous example.

[@Mistr_Anderson]

@@Schmitty7546 Who said anything about "evil"? Not me. I just said he has his reasons for not wanting to interact with her based on what she has said. It's his prerogative not to if he doesn't want to.

[@Schmitty7546]

@@Mistr_Anderson regarding the word 'evil': I was referring to my original comment. Regarding the dude's prerogative: indeed, just as it is mine to find it unappealing to hear someone saying that they'll pointedly ignore someone in a social interaction, seemingly because of espoused political views (again, looping back to my original comment, unless said views are justifiably felt to be undeniably and irredeemably evil).

[@Mistr_Anderson]

@@Schmitty7546 So yr doing the same thing he is. 🤣

[@tommyboman7735]

Way too much talking during these episodes.

[@IsaisChannel]

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