The Glitch Street Fighter Should Bring Back

[@CicoCico]

love your videos! I think charge partitioning in third strike kind of shakes up how charge characters work. it allows them to walk forward and do either a down up charge move or a left right charge move if they partially charge the move and then finish the charge quickly after. You only ever really see Urien players use this in neutral with tackle and headbutt and maybe with Remy's fireballs but it still makes them more interesting charge characters

[@Cardboxx]

The same system (a decreasing timer/gauge to input the required commands) that allows for charge partitioning also exists for Hugo (you can input a 360, step forward and add another to get the 720 super) allowing for some cool stuff (claps on block, buffering a 360, step 720)

[@theowayne5401]

This! Charge partitioning is super sick in third strike. Kind of a shame Remy doesn't get to shine as much in that game...

[@danielwappner1035]

I never really understood what's different between charge partinioning and just keeping the charge for a bit. Like you can hold down back in guilty gear, dash a bit and still do flaskick after having dashed if you had charge and not much time has passed

[@CicoCico]

@@danielwappner1035 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHzHZ4irg8SggNU bafeal explains it way better than I can but basically charge partitioning is where a character does part of a charge then does something else and the finishes charging the move to get the special to come out. In a match it just means you can do things like dash forward and then do a charge move

[@CicoCico]

@@Cardboxx yo i didn’t know that. That’s sick

[@Thomazbr]

This channel is secretly a Super Turbo tutorial channel

[@TheoryFighter]

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[@youridiot898]

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[@blahblahgdp]

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[@carlb1874]

OMG you are right. I’ll teach you to teach me!

[@EMdemo]

Hell yea lol

[@GeaForce]

When every character is broken, no one is

[@KaitouKaiju]

MvC3 balance philosophy

[@fitgamer868]

Mk9

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

I would say Guilty Gear 1 logic except Justice is still a thing lol

[@allainangcao28]

Player playing the new fighting games: This shit is broken! Patch the game!!! *Player came from MvC3*

[@egekazkayas8968]

ALL THE INJUSTICE GAMES

The character Midori in Fantasy Strike has a special throw that is similar to Honda's. He can throw instantly with no whiff animation as soon as his opponent is in range. To balance this he has to set it up first by landing a parry and it goes away if he gets hit. Also he glows when he has his special throw stored so the opponent knows not to approach carelessly from the ground.

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

I wonder if being like super Honda was intentional.

[@ZhouTie47]

100% intentional I believe. Just look at the rest of the archetypes in the game

[@rosiemymelody]

it's a very fun to use special too! it's great, really, and very balanced fantasy strike has some awesome ideas about adapting movesets, i think more traditional and complex fighters could learn a lot from fs

[@chungusumungus4004]

@@philiphunt-bull5817 Midori is basically Honda in general outside of his Install super. He has Sumo Headbutt, Hundred Hand Slap, and Honda's buttstomp in addition to Oicho storing.

[@portal650]

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[@Neo-wc4zg]

fun fact: combos became combos because it was originally a glitch to hit a character multiple time before they are able to block.

[@doommusic7206]

Wow, these videos you're putting out are really nice! I play Vega and had no idea that this glitch existed! Since you like this concept I would really like to see you do a video on the 3ds port of sf4. In that game specials are activated through the touch screen which means you can do any charge move without charging! (Also you can do walking spinning pile driver and 720 ultra with Geif) I sometimes wonder what a universe where charge characters never needed a charge would look like. A video on the original three Mortal Kombat games and how they have depth even though most characters only have 2 special moves would also be cool.

[@-AirKat-]

Huh, I remember hearing about the touch specials but I didn’t think it did anything

[@Kuroig53]

7:47 that's actually kinda a understatement lol. Like yeah, characters like Vega can go pretty well with him still, but for characters like Zangief and Cammy, it's absolutely miserable and bordeline unwinable, usually considered even worse than their matchups against the super turbo projectile characters, which is saying a lot Interesting point regarding Chun li tho, that's a neat way to look at it. I'm fine with charge characters being how they are, like ya know, they stick to it because it works, but that would be a neat way for Chun to be able to mix it up. I feel like the versions where she is more versatile is more so because either her main used inputs aren't charge ones, like in third strike she doesn't need to charge anything to get her supers out, so that would be a good way for her to be versatile while still having limits regarding charge.

[@OrphanAngel101]

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[@TheoryFighter]

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[@JonReynoldsESQ]

Getting hit by that stored Chun-Li super will make you punch through a wall.

[@nessearthbound3107]

Great video dude! Was really interested in this when I read about it on a forum. Also sick music man! Who knew stoner metal worked so well with ST lol

[@Esajas11]

Love your videos man! :)

[@dimex3362]

Glitches that i really liked in other games: dhc glitch in mvc3, plinking in sf4, cps1/cps2 chain, pushblock guard cancel (pbgc) a glitch in mvc2 and a feature in skullgirls.

[@dominiquesaunders7002]

They should treat all charge characters like in KI Gold. They can charge forwards or backwards

[@DDRUTOU]

The Chun Li glitch.....that's something I didn't know.......Lemme try it out right now

[@moyza_]

1:05 dear God, the alternate colors of SSF2T are the WORST!

[@richw.6296]

I used to think I was good at Street Fighter. I even came in second place in a Street Fighter Vs. X Men tournament back in the day. Now I know that I know nothing.

[@blueribbs6490]

i’ll put input storing in my game if i ever actually end up making that

[@freshboy3968]

Does this stuff work in Capcom Foghting Collection?

[@Ming1975]

And I thought Capcom worked out all the glitch at SF2 Super Turbo.

[@spadeghostvampire7777]

That chick Chun Lee got stuck one time doing her infinite kick thing. We figured "Whatever" and we could still move around and jump while she was doing it the entire match. It was needless to say pretty irritatingly funny as hell.

[@Madeen]

Love your videos but bad take. Charge supers are charge because they would be downright broken otherwise. Good thing this glitch got removed.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

I never actually know about these glitches

[@ZackMorris1]

Guile was already close to top 3 in this game this glitch takes him up. Akuma with the dual ariel fireballs kills that advantage. Sagat is the best main in this game.

[@elijahmodnar1]

nah those three characters already cheep AF in SuperTurbo, was glad hyper sf2 removed the charge glitch by default (yes i know you can hold start when picking to regain it) it was unintentional in the first place, and the characters have never had it since

[@ddespair]

They need to bring back the ability to duff the body in fighting games. That’s what made people love virtua fighter when it came out. Lol

[@happycamperds9917]

I’ve considered making a Fighting Game where this kind of storage as an intentional inclusion.

[@happycamperds9917]

@Orwellian Future Is Now Basically there’s this charge character who can throw a projectile with charge back motion. She also has a reversal with charge forward motion, so you can bait your opponent into attacking by crouching forward instead of back. However, I was considering doing a thing where she can hold a charge by walking forward for a bit then holding crouch back, so she can then charge both of her moves at once. I’m still learning how to do code and stuff so the game is mostly in the conceptual state rn.

[@wahlawigi9572]

I don't get how vega's is a glitch; that just sounds like how charge characters work.

[@ensabahnur7657]

Aaahhhhhhhh the memories!

[@kawaiiempoleon8721]

Wait wtf isn't Vegas reversal back forward not down up?

[@Henrrrybigballer]

Yes finally some thing I can agree with

[@Hotobu]

Doesn't T.Hawk have a store too?

[@slimballs9650]

6:21 I guess you can say it's E. Honda-red percent safe!

[@ivrydice0954]

I think they legit had this in SSF2 for a bit.

[@Rkiser0592]

I don't believe you need to back in the orchi store....just down back, so you don't even NEED to input the whole move. Cheers

[@pedlar6839]

Stop it I don’t even play fighting games, stop making interesting videos that make me wanna play fighting games. Also nice stoner metal

[@Sem-ifinalist]

One of us

[@pedlar6839]

@Orwellian Future Is Now that seems like a good start, gonna get the new guilty gear when it comes out because it has rollback. Any suggestions for good fightsticks that work for multiple games?

[@justsomeguy8385]

@@pedlar6839 SF2 has rollback too on fightcade

[@pedlar6839]

@@justsomeguy8385 oh really? I thought fightcade was only used for that jojo game, neato

[@lancecowburn1693]

ST is the BEST game of all time!

[@TheSurefireGamer]

All I can imagine is Guile having this glitch and the nightmare that would come from it.

[@CarInMyAss]

He'd totally fuck the game up lol

[@amfram]

Ryu vs Guile becomes Ultimate Chicken

[@sourapple7831]

Me seeing the walk forward sonic booms in sf4

[@Pingvinicecream]

In SSF4 for the 3DS you don't even need to do the initial charge. Simply map sonic boom to one touch screen button and flash kick to another and you have a Guile with not motion inputs but one button inputs. It's a helluva game.

[@aramondehasashi3324]

Ochio store but with flash kick behehe

[@absoul112]

I guess Chun-Li walks forward MENACINGLY.

[@boost24]

Oh you’re approaching me?

[@RhiMorningstar17]

Is this a JoJo reference?

[@boost24]

@@RhiMorningstar17 i hope so because otherwise ive turned myself into a complete dumbass

[@stamossarris7969]

@@boost24 it is

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

One question that's boggled my mind since Street Fighter II is: "Why doesn't the computer opponent have to charge its attacks?"

[@Mikewee777]

This annoyed me too.

[@moyza_]

Also sustained holds always dealing full damage. And button mashing moves.

[@roncerjani9063]

Yeah, I spent hours training with Balrog trying to find out how does the CPU performs those attacks so quickly. I was sure there was some hidden method to it.

[@ThirtyfourEC]

I remember discovering this while trying to imitate the CPU's ability to walk forward and flash kick. Great to see how the technique was actually used.

[@Cardboxx]

fwiw the cpu just cheats lol. It's not possible (glitching or not) to input a walking flash kick, they just have a pre set of reaction/behavior, if the cpu "decides" it's going to flashkick, it just comes out, no "input" or charge needed. Look up the blog Sf2platinum, he's a guy that reverse engineered the entire game and has great info on how the AI works !

[@jihadjoe]

@@Cardboxx Yeah I remember there Game Genie codes for World Warrior where they made the bosses playable. M.Bison had scissor kicks as one of his normals!

[@Slayerthecrow]

Chun-Li starts walking forward *Hokuto no Ken theme starts playing in the backgound* Chun-Li: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru.

[@GameboyFanatic]

You Wa Shock!

[@glawrk2861]

Feels like a Raging Demon

[@ScribeAwoken]

Smash Ultimate actually has a really interesting take on charge characters in the form of Terry, and in this case, it's a weird emergent product of the way its inputs work. See, Terry not only has charge partitioning, but because Smash uses analog inputs, there's a range of stick positions that count as a "down" input for purposes of maintaining down charge but don't make him crouch, meaning he can charge while standing, walking or even dashing And from my testing, it's also affected by the stick's X-axis position - i.e. if you're holding significantly further left or right than down, you lose charge. As for the implications... I don't know, because it's not super widely used by Terry mains, and it's seemingly more practical on Smashbox than it is on a normal pad, due to the precision necessary to maintain such a specific analog stick position. It's not very well-documented or widely used tech, which honestly has me tempted to make my own guide for it. EDIT: As it turns out, the traditional fighter characters in Smash Ultimate have an input storage bug of their own, which most people call COIL (Command Orientation Input Lock). It's a weird product of the leniency measures put in to make sure right thumbstick inputs (which are a customizable macro of a button + a direction) wouldn't mess with motion inputs. The game basically stores three sets of analog stick inputs: left stick direction, right stick direction, and command direction. Command input is normally synchronized with left-stick direction, *except* when you're holding a direction on the right stick, at which point it's locked to whatever the input was when you first moved the right stick. This is most useful for Terry, since he can use it to charge rising tackle while moving freely, or to do a running Burn Knuckle without stopping or accidentally performing Power Dunk, but Ryu and Ken have some more niche uses for it as well

[@alecaquino4306]

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[@fernando47180]

@@alecaquino4306 it's just an info dump, you can't tldr it. Stop being lazy if you care for random trivia, or don't read and move on otherwise.

[@alecaquino4306]

@@fernando47180 It's funny you think you have the power to dictate what I can and cannot do online. Get bent.

[@fernando47180]

@@alecaquino4306 It's not like you have other options, now do you?

[@alecaquino4306]

@@fernando47180 I've plenty.

[@Nickzstuff]

I would love to see the implementation of this. Maybe give a visual indicator that the charge is in place(you know to give the enemy a heads up that its active). Similair to like megaman x

[@ApexFunplayer]

Hugo actually has something similar to this in Third Strike. You could store a full circle. This is generally how people would perform the tachi gigas, which is the "standing" 720 motion super, which requires no buffer. You can store a full circle for seconds, not eternally, but you get quite a while. Same thing happened in usf4 with zangief and hugo's supers if I remember right.

[@DoomRater]

I recall something about Ivy in Soul Calibur 2 being able to buffer any part of the inputs on her largest throws for up to 50 frames. Each. Meaning she could threaten some of the strongest throws in the game for absurdly long periods.

[@charlesajones77]

I've never been fully convinced that this wasn't intentional.

[@gorohazuki5366]

I remember, upon release of SSF2 turbo, that this forward charge hold for Chun Li was one of the notes shared by Capcom. I think it was always intentional.

[@Hawkingbird1]

Input storing was removed for Ultra SF2.

[@abc2390986]

Regardless this is left unfixed in the GBA version but then Ultra removed it anyways.

[@ShoRyuBarbie]

They need to bring back Old Zangief's full screen reversal throw.

[@delatroy]

._.

[@coomcharger6105]

@Seamus O'Gil Now I don't understand the mindset you have, but I choose agree with him. I go by the mindset of hope being the last thing to truly die.

[@adityamanam5716]

Oh shit Midori from FS has the stored throw mechanic from Honda in his after parry state

[@mrhydrogen7459]

What game is FS?

[@adityamanam5716]

@@mrhydrogen7459 Fantasy Strike

[@mrhydrogen7459]

@@adityamanam5716 I see

[@NiGHTcapD]

I'd like to see a character in a fighting game inspired entirely by glitches. From float glitches and visual bugs to Handcuffs. Inspired but not direct of course.

[@sam8skate]

Great video again! Loved the topic. The heavy cymbals in the bgm were a bit distracting but otherwise completely perfect!!

[@Cambiony]

Not exactly input storing, but but Midori in Fantasy Strike kinda has a version of oicho throw. If you land a parry you get a throw install that throws automatically immidiately as soon the opponent is in range and throwable. You can walk around with it and all, it can be used to enforce 50-50s and all that good stuff.

[@Tr0lliPop]

It's an amazing tool. You are basically letting a perfect computer to decide when to throw for you, making your mixups INSANE.

[@not_jon_vendi]

I dont play fighting games but have a great respect for those who do. I was just never able to understand them and my memory is too shot to remember moves let alone combos. Having said that, this is one of my favorite channels on youtube. I have been binge watching your channel for the last 2 days. Love the content. Your videos made me realize just how much there is to fighting games. Mind blown

[@christianf.4833]

The vids are amazing, gonna binge em all. Greetings from Uruguay.

[@salvatronprime9882]

Reverse charging is even better, like Killer Instinct. You can just charge by holding forward, and then use back+attack to use the charge move.

[@Mikewee777]

Killer instinct has block breaking punches that break the game.

[@KisekinoHoshii]

Charge partitioning does very similar things in 3s and under night, vatista is a guile but she has an overhead drill thing that if you partitiong it so you do it close to the ground it's p much unreactable and leads to a full combo. She also has dashing flashkicks or forward dash or back dash fireballs, it's really fun. In fact you can overlap charge partitions for double fireballs

[@benjiroberts4434]

Under night is a fun game I never understood why it didnt catch on during the ps3 era (maybe that genre was saturated at the time?) It was a super dick move by aksys to take the game away from PSN+ users who had obtained it as the 'free' game that month only to see Aksys remotely disable it from people ps3 accounts a few months later.

[@KisekinoHoshii]

@@benjiroberts4434 it was kinda broken in the first few versions. Unist and uniclr are really good and got a lot of recognition and players before locals stopped

[@Phurzt]

Coming from. Tekken, there are tons of moves that can be considered similar. Like buffering julia's mad axe throw then backdashing, and then triggering the throw on opponent whiff.

[@KhamStronk]

This channel is a Black Sabbath/Sleep/Electric Wizard commercial.

[@deepblue2]

They kinda brought it back with Honda's VT1 in SFV. I say kinda because it's not a charge, but it's the same idea because he can just walk forward and do his VT1 headbutt, much like with his super in ST, which was pretty funny when I realized that.

[@ricniclas]

As someone who plays charge characters, I love this idea! I wish they make Vega a charge character again in SFVI and drop the idea of the stances

[@waynegoddard4065]

I was always rubbish at street fighter. Most people with a time machine would be rich through using an almanac of sports or something but I'd watch this this channel and become a street fighter God. I'd still be single and moneyless but people's faces when you kick their asses over and over would be priceless.

[@kumaSOevl]

I wish deejay(sf4) got this glitch, bring back deejay!

[@kumaSOevl]

Orwellian Future Is Now what’s crazy is that deejay is always a positive person always smiling

[@Thomazbr]

@Orwellian Future Is Now Dee Jay is just really dull

[@ricniclas]

What snowflakes? I never saw anyone complain about him. I bet there was one or two guys complaining with two likes, and someone made a post or video complaining about how or generation bitches about everything

[@ricniclas]

​ @Orwellian Future Is Now I know about them. The thing is I think that Capcom don't give a damn about this. Of course that there's some criticism about how stereotypical Street Fighter can get at times, but it was inevitable considering the size of the brand, but Capcom don't care about snowflakes because that's just not their target audience. When they "censor" Rainbow Mika critical art and costumes, it's for their sponsors, they are considering how their game will be televised, why would they try to appeal to a public that doesn't even play their games? And about less stereotypical characters, that definitively a plus for me and more characters should get this treatment, because a lot of their characters are uninteresting because they have only one interest (such as Honda and Deejay) And if people were ok with it on the past only show how shitty the world was people were ok with cartoons like these: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIa8kqWBeLmpf80 Should we with back those old days? Nah. Generations can change their mindsets and thats cool

[@ricniclas]

@Orwellian Future Is Now And I didn't talked about snowflakes, but its not that I don't think they exists, but they are just irrelevant, and people act like they are ruining the world, when in fact they're a bunch of weirdos on twitter that nobody cares

[@NoEvilEye]

You can input store zangief super in SFV, just do the 720 motion, make sure it ends at forward, hold forward after. You can walk along time till you press a button.

[@feri7mble]

You should check out Vatista if you don't know her. She basically has the non-glitchy and even more interesting version of that.

[@dgw4049]

Ive been playing sft for 25 years and I still haven't grasped all the glitches in this game. I don't know if it is deep or just broken.

[@icebird8575]

This is why turbo is favored

[@zenzybar]

Hey, what's the song in the background? And got and other sludge metal recommendations?

[@nessearthbound3107]

It's in the description! Its Bongripper's Into Ruin! What type of sludge metal do you want? Do you want something more atmospheric or something that's pure sludge?

[@TheoryFighter]

Bongripper's Into Ruin, if you like this style of Sludge, i recommend Monolord

[@zenzybar]

@@nessearthbound3107 Oh damn, I looked but I was on mobile. Recommendations on both would be nice actually if you're willing. Maybe more on the pure sludge side if pressed.

[@zenzybar]

@@TheoryFighter Thanks for that. I'll check them out today. Nice work on the videos by the way, I tune in everytime you upload. Good luck and keep it up.

[@darkcoeficient]

What I want to know is what CRT Filter was used to make the gorgeous thumbnail.

[@Gaff.]

Oh, I think I remember doing this years ago. I never got properly into fighting games but I played them all (until my horrible friend went as far as to _practise_ which obviously ruined them for me). That Chun Li one looks very interesting to bring back for newer games.

[@Agoners]

I was about to say, Midori in Fantasy Strike has the closest thing to Honda stored throw...! :D (but then noticed at least 2 others have noticed it too. Ah well, I'll say it again anyway!)

[@ezg8448]

Bring back Guile's full screen grab, I'd love that glitch to return!

[@mrt445]

Theoryfighter how would your ideal fighting game functions like?

[@thepeanutter9972]

I would love a video like that

[@tunelowplayslow8101]

Hey Theoryfighter just wanted to say i love your videos, have been playing fighters for nearly 3 decades and have always been average at best lol,but I love finding out interesting theory or techniques through your videos,plus the addition of killer doom metal to boot. I'd like to ask you 2 things if I may,what would you consider your favourite fighter of all time and what bands are you listening to at the moment. Keep up the awesome work dude.

[@TheoryFighter]

Much appreciated mate. Favourite Fighter is probably Street Fighter Alpha 2. Music wise, it varies a lot but recently i've been grinding tones of Windhand, Cloud Rat, Bongzilla and City of Caterpillar

[@kaceejones2282]

@@TheoryFighter Solid vid theory fighter. The vid was quite helpful. Have been watchin your channel for like months almost a year now. All the info u give is so accurate and on point. Been playin fgs for years mainly anime based fgs then I got KOF 2000&2001 as well as SF2 SFA3 and other traditional fgs.

[@kaceejones2282]

@@TheoryFighter First time playin KOF and SF I had no idea how to do specials and combos until later on. Now I'm just average and wanting to find out and learn more stuff that u know by now splendid job my guy.

[@kaceejones2282]

I'm 20 and so I'm ready for more useful info.

[@mjorge0alves]

Just a correction: reversal throws are guaranteed. There is only a 50% chance if you and the opponent mistime it, so both it is not a reversal and he misses throwing on the first possible frame. CE AI teaches this, mercilessly.

[@largolagrande]

They should bring back charge partitioning from Street Fighter III 3rd Strike. This was innovative.

[@AdmiralBison]

Is Guile's famous - standing punch (heavy punch being the most damaging) into the somersault kick technically considered a stored special/super art? I guess this would go for other charge characters moves where an extra hit is forced into the last frames before the special/super art is started. E.g. SF3's Urien standing punch into headbutt special move and CVS 2's Mbison punch/kick into a pyschocrusher/knee press super art I think stored charging moves and super arts into the open should make a comeback as to open more possibilities for charge characters, however the moves/super art can only be stored for like 3 seconds AND less damaging.

[@Zetact_]

I could picture input storage being used as a mechanic for certain characters to add personality to their gameplay. Interestingly, every example outlined in the video is entirely fitting for the characters in question. It makes Honda into a sturdy, defensive wall who is able to throw you to the mat at a moment's notice; makes Vega into a frightening and unpredictable threat who is ready to strike at you when it appears he's on the defensive; and makes Chun into someone who is ready to fight courageously even at risk to herself.

[@austinreed7343]

How would it fit Guile, Blanka, Balrog, Bison, Dee Jay?

[@phaseshifter3d455]

Never liked charge moves in fighting games. It just lets your opponents know when you can or can't use your specials.

[@Marco_the_Ginger]

Yo did he just walk up and throw

[@luanvieira6892]

I've fought a Honda that abused that grab tech, it was so annoying to fight against and yet that still doesn't make Honda broken compared to other characters...amazing.

[@blackscorpionlairgaming]

the glitch they need to bring back is the Hadouken glitch from Championship Edition where Ryu or Ken jump in the air & throw a slow Hadouken & make everyone block & you can throw your opponents for an easy win.

[@deadfr0g]

Video thumbnail was a riddle. I solved the riddle. My reward was PTSD. 10/10, very fun torture.

[@Darksaige]

Just a question: wouldn't CHARGE PARTITIONING be the next iteration of INPUT STORING? Which to my knowledge and experience was seen in 3rd strike. Then the next input style glitch would be seen in SF4 vanilla (can't say it made it in SUPER AE OR OMEGA) None the less this tech is new to me. I wouldn't get serious in fighters until MVC2 and 3rd Strike before moment #37

[@ArctheLadder]

This is an extremely misguided take. You are deliberately taking the tools available to those characters in neutral such as in the case of Vega/Claw and Honda and Chun out of context. Do you realize how difficult it is to get in on Claw? There is no actual game design going on here, it's taking a very specific instance of when characters can press their advantage and omitting the fact that glitches like Claw's egregiously diminish the efficacy of the rare instance characters have managed to work their way into the weak ranges of a character who can realistically prevent them from ever getting into his weak ranges to begin with. Claw is not a weak character. The other side of this is that Honda, for instance, is a completely polarizing character. If you have a fireball, you don't have to play his game so there's an equality to him losing hard that way. But what actually happens in ST for characters who DON'T have projectiles is that unless they have a fast moving set of incredibly safe special moves, such as Boxer, fights become protracted because Honda is a bad faith player when it comes to stand up fighting. He doesn't have to play that game, but it only sounds good in theory if you have a projectile. This isn't about gambling ratios or whether someone can beat it, it's about the game you're playing and the way the fights are designed. Saying Chun Li puts herself at risk is an absolutely stupid take, you are ignoring that a character who initially NEVER HAD A PROJECTILE now not only has a projectile, one of the best in the game for utility, she also has normals that are designed to get in on fireball characters and harass them into passivity, she has aerials that can effectively stop characters from getting in on top of grounded normals... and you give her a super that can effectively checkmate characters who already struggle to compete with her on the ground. The highest level of play in Super Turbo has players who can mostly compete with this, but there's a reason that players like Otochun and MAO can dominate so consistently. How do you iterate on mechanics like this without understandably removing the basic things most players get to interact with first? And how do you willingly present information out of context so as to suggest "Poor Claw, it's unfair that Ken or Cammy or Fei can actually exploit on of the rare moments of weakness he has, it's not fair he can lose?" so as to justify a bad faith thesis about glitches that are only interesting in so far as the environment they exist. These are outliers to the game of Super Turbo, for the same reason you can't really iterate on Roll Cancel without forwarding in game design a characteristic that can only raise the question "Why don't these moves just do what they're supposed to do?" The most interesting aspect about Roll Canceling when it seems pretty modest in argument is that suddenly Guile has a functioning Flash Kick again, not that the game didn't give him other tools. Then you get RC Psycho Crusher which further punishes tools that a character has to rely on ANYWAY, regardless of a highly diminished efficacy such as Ryu, let alone characters who have horrible interpretations. Note that SF4 at the very least asks you to pay a cost for these traits, it doesn't FORWARD the act of roll canceling it compromises on what Roll Canceling introduced. This was a good thing. Why would you start designing a game in such a narrow fashion? This is foolish. Thank you KZbin recommendations I'm out.

[@patriotdrone9566]

With Chun Li you can store the super without having full meter ready. Do the super motion while continue holding forward and attacking your opponent. Once the super meter is charged you can use it without have to do the motion as long as you never pulled back. Very useful while walking forward and poking with punches. Once meter is full you can hit kick and immediately get the super without having to charge it. Basically you are pre-storing the super before meter is ready..

[@RetroPillowcase]

Is this similar to light of virtue buffering for remy? Aka Lov buffer

[@n00bprof82]

If the glitch not game breaking then it is a feature. Just like SF2 accidentally got the combo system because of the bug...

[@DocWolph]

I pulled off a Parry followed immediately by a shoulder charge, hit confirming into the Tyrant Slaughter in SF3, obviously using Urien. Never had a chance to really work on that move since I did not have a the home port and only the Arcade to go to and not enough time to practice.

[@StrangeCoincidence]

god i love that music

[@deesix3504]

3rd strike has a pseudo version of this, partition charge, you should also make a vid on it, love your vids btw

[@hardatk27]

It's usually not about whether or not the move is fair (it isn't) but whether the move is intended (it isn't). That's why charge storing isn't in modern fighters and why they're probably not coming back.

[@CB66941]

Unrelated, but in KOF14, there's a character that has a throw which requires charge and a flash kick motion Also charge in SNK games are often half that of SF games

[@megacrapul]

Fair argument. Now the problem is the games now seem to have quite some balancing issues. Would they be able to put that in without completly break the game?i mean broken games are fun until you reach high lvl.

[@AvangionQ]

Yes to this, but change the walk forward stance so it looks more menacing ... your opponent should know it's coming and that they're playing chicken

[@Triniwn]

honda stored super does allow him to do walk forward, cLK xx Super. its not much but it lets him be slightly more aggressive

[@TheDenkouchoujin]

1:15 Real talk: why did they make Chun Li THROW IT BACK like that???

[@meanwhileinjapan2265]

Chun Li is just disgustingly powerful in Street fighter 3 third strike anytime I used to go online and face a chun li opponent I got *Destroyed*

[@DepressionShaman]

I thought these techniques were possible in 3rd Strike and CAPvSNK2 via dip switch settings.

[@KING0SISQO]

They should just bring this game back properly. The last multi game release had poor amount of online players.

[@Nemix27]

Why do you sound like you're on life support? The content is interesting, the person and dialog delivering it not so much.

[@n1hondude]

Nobody: VesperArcade’s bother: E. Honda is PURE BULLSHIT!