115 Charges Dissected & Arsenal’s Dark Arts! | Heated Fan Debate!

Welcome back to the Fan Debate brought to you by Sky Bet.
Jamie Carragher is joined by Paul Scholes and some of the biggest fan channels across England. We are also joined by journalist Martyn Ziegler who brings us the latest news on Manchester City’s 115 charges.
We kick things off by looking at the weekend’s results, including Manchester City v Arsenal’s dramatic draw, Nottingham Forest’s unbeaten start to the season and Manchester United’s striker situation.
Plus, we delve into Liverpool’s contract situation, Everton’s potential takeover, fixture congestion in the Premier League and are Chelsea finally finding their feet?
We’ll be back next week where the fans will bring their hot takes to the panel.
00:00:00 - Promo
00:00:42 - Intro
00:00:59 - Manchester City v Arsenal Chat
00:03:46 - Arsenal fan Clive
00:08:38 - Manchester City fan Buvey
00:17:22 - Journalist Martyn Ziegler on Manchester City’s 115 charges
00:20:21 - Manchester City fan Buvey on the 115 charges
00:26:18 - Liverpool fan Chloe Bloxam
00:27:38 - Liverpool’s contract situation
00:31:57 - Manchester United fan Adam McKola
00:38:27 - Chelsea fan Rory Jennings
00:43:29 - Martyn Ziegler on Chelsea’s PSR loophole
00:44:46 - Everton fan Baz on Everton's potential takeover
00:45:50 - Martyn Ziegler on Everton’s potential new owners
00:46:38 - Sean Dyche as Everton manager
00:52:38 - Aston Villa fan Luke Robinson
00:56:27 - Martyn Ziegler on fixture congestion
00:57:52 - Paul Scholes on fixture congestion
00:58:58 - Nottingham Forest fan Greg
01:02:11 - Brighton fan Maz Mirzadeh
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[@DuckDuckGo512]

Buvey is delusional. Disaster for English football because of their stats 😂 get a grip

[@drhughied]

It'd be a massive win for the Premier League to police itself and deal a blow to an entity that thinks it is above the law. 35 of the 115 charges are instances of City for non-compliance.

[@edrahimovic]

​@@drhughiedikr, it'll infact either restablish the integrity, of reaffirm it if they get found guilty or not

[@daz7987]

Needs to stop been a glory seeker and support Plymouth or someone

[@jamesshine1]

​@daz7987 that buvey is from Bristol

[@bingchilling7264]

It would be a stain on the legacy of the premier league, not sure how this is hard to understand.

[@TrapSection]

Buvey came in with the worst argument ever.

[@Boo-wp1xw]

He is an Internet troll that got popular due to True Geordies Kick Off like the other 2 vultures

[@TrapSection]

@@Boo-wp1xw All of them 3 traitors are atrocious.

[@Bru88425]

Not in his head though 😂😂😂

[@MrCarrera28]

He has spent too much time with Rory and speaks the same BS.

[@hamonryechinaski180]

​@@Boo-wp1xw 👍💯 Rat's the lot of them but how Buvey is popular is beyond me...

[@safirshrestha]

Good on Carra for calling out Buvey immediately.

[@Istanbully23]

Course carra would he hates city, did you hear how gutted he was when Jonny, Jonny stones scored

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

▪︎Everybody wants City Relegated ▪︎If PL 115 Accusations unproven ▪︎Everybody to demand PL investigated?😂

[@JohnHbh]

Nobody likes city. Nobody cares when they win. They’re cheats and everyone knows it. City should settle the case as this is just embarrassing for them

[@Piccolonion]

@@Istanbully23 Because the way City conducted themselves during that game was rotten

[@Istanbully23]

@@Piccolonion you must have been watching a different game from me 🥴

[@oakabielb5406]

Buvey is insufferable. The human equivalent of The Daily Mail

[@ryannightingale3022]

😂😂😂

[@OscarBravo7]

@@ryannightingale3022born and bred in Bristol apparently. But Bristol City/Rovers KZbin channels doesn’t get you noticed 😂

[@robbojnr27]

so is scholes

[@antoinedoinell]

Buvey has the arrogance of an academic while have the knowledge and maturity of a 16 year old.

[@SteveAustin-zv1nn]

He's a wind-up merchant. Look at his face when he's talking. He's always got a slight smirk. He knows what he's doing. And Arsenal fans still fall for it. 😂

[@joekirui6110]

Buvey waffling 5 seconds into his monologue 😂😂

[@mikc92]

Literally skipped the whole bit as soon as he started

[@coldarcticoasis]

Lol me too

[@itsmeprasad1987]

Funny guy…

[@MrCarrera28]

@@mikc92 Smart!

[@RavenFeatherss]

Complaining about Arsenal’s lack of ambition in their play. The top scoring side of last season… Rattled mate ✊💦

[@davieskamanda6622]

These lot wanted Arsenal to open up and let city score 5 or 6 goals and spend all week glazing them. Not anymore lads.

[@craigoneill2216]

That’s what yous all wanted Chelsea to do when they were winning every week with Jose

[@AM-cp6cz]

​@@craigoneill2216 Mourinho hasn't been at Chelsea in 10 years what are you even waffling about

[@craigoneill2216]

@@AM-cp6cz I’m waffling about hypocrisy you dope

[@NancyWangui-jm1jw]

​@@craigoneill2216nobody hated mourinho except pep fangirls in the ucl.

[@AM2K2]

'Not anymore lads' you sound traumatised 🤣

[@JayHig14]

STOP GIVING BUVEY A PLATFORM

[@zaza_268]

And Rory

[@andrewlau777]

Na Buvy keeps views up

[@macurlyfries]

Snowflakes

[@Istanbully23]

Stop giving Brent partridge a form 🥴🥴🥴🥴

[@jkgooner7661]

Buvey a proper wa***r

[@edfurse7988]

I cant tell you how proud i am that Clive is there to represent our club. I like Robbie, but Clive is the right person to be involved in this type of "conversation"

[@mohamedelmi544]

😂😂😂😂

[@Pranjal_Sharma_Sports]

Buvey isn't tho

[@alextv293]

Donald Robbie is too emotional.

[@posterboy9798]

Robbie isn’t the right man to debate this conversation as he’s too delusional at times

[@Villain1874]

Wobbie is extremely delusional and biased - it’s pointless having him on this show

[@drummerfreak69]

Clive's very knowledgeable and proper in his response 🤙🏻🤙🏻

[@matrix35]

He is what Robbie wishes he could be. Ubiased and knows football!

[@omotuyibabafemi2969]

​@@matrix35Clive bores me though I'd have Robbie in a minute

[@StephenCarrIsBald]

Clive once actually made me fall asleep

[@davejordan9776]

He's boring with a funny voice.

[@StephenCarrIsBald]

@@davejordan9776 yes you’ve hit the nail on the head

[@TheWefikus]

“How dare do Arsenal use our own tactics against us”

[@chinomsoesinaulo5292]

Buvey knows very little about everything. Tries to link Klopp’s Liverpool to Bill Shankly 😅 but doesn’t know about George Graham? Get these know littles of our screens. There’s so little knowledge & they’re ruining what the game is.

[@TimboSmith]

The comparison with Shankly's team was laughable. different teams

[@johnprince5931]

I was thinking the same, great comment.

[@martin-gj8jk]

My thoughts exactly, Arsenal's most famous song is '1-0 to the Arsenal.

[@rainejumaquio-liwanag6031]

Clive represents Arsenal so well. A no BS, no non-sense kind of guy👌

[@jg6022]

In a world of clickbait football shows and pundits with shock value as opposed to analysis...Clive is a breath of fresh air...what an absolute Gent.

[@FIFA09King]

Just needs to speed it up before he puts me to sleep

[@Wut3225]

@@FIFA09KingSays more about you I think

[@andysnuffles2504]

@@FIFA09King for me it's less the speed he talks and more the lack of inflection and incredibly calm and boring tone. i just stop listening to him tbh

[@jonny4866]

He’s boring as anything

[@oreolukoga2514]

The way fans and pundits talk about Arsenal is so disingenuous. Playing Villa, City and Spurs away in the first 5 games of a new season is no small feat, travelling to Italy and playing the Europa League Champions on a Thursday night in no small feat. Baring in mind we haven't lost yet? For years we were bullied at away grounds, losing 6-0, 5-0, 4-1, regularly. Now we've toughen up and don't allow other teams to score, it's "Arsenal park the bus", "Arsenal play negative football". It's hypocritical and disigenous.

[@0shova]

It's because they don't want to see Arsenal do well. They enjoyed the seasons where we were technical and weak physically. Now we're one of the most physical, and one of the most technical teams in world football they can't find an easy weakness to the team. So it's time to pull out the "You've not got a striker", "You play boring defensive football".... ignore that we scored the second most amount of goals last season, and that we press high up the pitch when we need to.

[@ImranAhmed-sc1qe]

Buvey so rattled 🤣

[@Istanbully23]

He definitely wasn’t rattled, well done Buvey 🩵👊

[@DeeDoherty-lk5od]

​@@Istanbully23he was 100% rattled

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

​@@Istanbully23 buddy was so rattled 😂

[@81stCommander]

​@@Istanbully23that clown is always rattled.

[@StephenC-k5o]

Buvey needs to understand that the charges are not about Manchester City from 2019 to 2024. They relate to breaches of Financial Fair Play regulations over a nine-year period, from 2009 to 2018. Even if Manchester City had sold every player in their squad last summer, it would have no impact on their case with the Premier League. It's embarrassing that he doesn't grasp the basic premise of the case his club is involved in.

[@thedean4431]

have you read the cas report can i question you on page 56 and 63 section d please advice you must have read it

[@thedean4431]

so on the sposorship deal with etihad cas said all fair value any comment

[@StephenC-k5o]

@thedean4431 I'm just stating the timeframe of the investigation. I for one don't think there's anything suspicious about Man Cities spending during that time frame. 100% credible. Nothing to look at here.

[@StephenC-k5o]

@@thedean4431 I don't know the case inside out, but was it not time barred from 2009 to 2012. That timeframe is considered in this trial.

[@infidelMCR]

​@StephenC-k5o yes from 09-12 when these "rules" didn't exist lol be ready to watch the PL have their pants pulled down

[@CFCESSI]

PLEASE FROM EVERYONE AT THE CHELSEA FANBASE STOP BRINGING RORY ON PLEASE WE ARE BEGGING YOU . HE ONLY SPEAKS FOR HIMSELF PLS STOP

[@Samuelmufcro]

Clive is fantastic. He is proper fair not a TikTok kid like Buvey. They need Alice on for Man Utd analysis.

[@zsht]

For 15 years we were told "Arsenal need to be wiser, they need cajones, they need a spine" And now suddenly everyone is saying "no, not like that"

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

This. Everyone used to laugh at Wenger’s teams for being soft and weak on set pieces and away from home in big games. Just admit you hate Arsenal and move on.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Player's getting sent off because of stupidity isn't wise & it's not much of spine if doesn't get over the halfway line.

[@deeppocketsshortarms2830]

Can't believe they have let rory and buvey on first time I've seen them on for ages represent both clubs very poorly.

[@joelverner1545]

It’s a pathetic attempt to bring in their respective social media audiences to boost eyeballs - it’s not based on any intellectual or analytical merit

[@splinter360]

Bovey at least knows he's trolling. Rory is just genuinely clueless.

[@unclemad4367]

Scholes: “Arsenal haven’t started well they haven’t looked good” 11 out of 15 points. 7 of those points coming from Villa away, Spurs away and City away. Also Schloes: “Arsenal can’t win a league on set pieces” Scored 8 goals and 2 of them are set pieces. All these ex United players analysis when it comes to Arsenal is so basic and clearly from a bias standpoint.

[@ShutThePuck]

It's Scholes, he hates Arsenal more than any other club. This whole format is a northern circlejerk

[@JuT11]

Well if they're trying to win the league, 11/15 points is 73% Man city have won the last 4 with 90 points on average, that's 90 out of a possible 114, or 79% So no, that's not good enough from Arsenal..

[@elicorcarwilson6675]

​@@JuT11correct enough said

[@100dleonard]

Well if you want to use statistics then city's win percentage without Rodri would mean they'll finish around 80 points so they won't win the league

[@kyleg7430]

@@JuT11 youre comparing completely different samples lol. you should be comparing arsenals first 5 with how they look like when man city played them last year but then obvs flipping the city vs arsenal fixture. city's percentage is lower.

[@Squidward-jv7go]

115 FC

[@OBWanKenobi]

It's 130 now

[@Saaarmbii]

Buvey is an absolute clown

[@Dom201094]

Clive's shoe size is higher then the combined IQ in that room.

[@Interstellar83516]

He's in the room too though

[@LoCoAde87]

​@@Interstellar83516Got em 😂

[@lilastro1972]

It’s because he came with a calm voice and he had valid debates with reasons to them, where as buvey just spoke pure waffle

[@Dom201094]

@@Interstellar83516 you'd make a great guest.

[@rigsby1454]

Quite amusing Scholes says Arsenal haven’t started well when they’ve got 7 out of 9 points away to Villa, Spurs and City

[@andrewwright4195]

He said they haven't looked good going foward which is true

[@Qwerty-bs3pt]

We've scored 2 less goals than Liverpool and he was lauding their attack 😂😂😂 ​@@andrewwright4195

[@donuts7627]

They don't look like an intimidating side and I think they can be beaten.

[@MatthewMcRowan]

@@donuts7627 Odegaard is so important for their aura

[@dirtygunslinger9835]

@@andrewwright4195 well that’s because Odegaard has been missing

[@kentucky9992]

The narrative of Arsenal not scoring enough goal was the same story last season before Christmas... And still they scored 91 second to city You guys just hate Arsenal

[@xiz0808]

did they win the league? no, then it wasn't enough was it?

[@edrahimovic]

How much is enough then? Cause for me, enoigh points is winning the league mate😂😂😂 but if you're happy with 2nd best then I guess it's fine

[@kentucky9992]

@@edrahimovic no one wants to be second But when you look at the city team and how stacked with quality player the team is, Arsenal are pushing way above their weight trying to compete with city

[@xiz0808]

@@kentucky9992 agree 100% and for the record I have nothing but respect for Arsenal and especially Arteta but like Scholes said, its not enough, because enough would be as many as, or more than City and win you the league

[@Branson420]

Hefty fine of 2500 GBP and 2 point deduction incoming.

[@hyywe240]

I doubt it will be a points deduction. They didnt really do that back then

[@matthewomalley6732]

For Everton?

[@camden6184]

Settle down mate that’s way too big

[@tabb5818]

Just give Clive the mic pls

[@georgehudson1353]

Comparing the City situation to Rangers/Celtic is ridiculous. The Scottish league had two teams that matter, one was dropped to the bottom league, the Premier League has teams that finish 7th and win the Champions league. If the City left the league it would only be bad for City, the league itself would carry on as normal.

[@Birl]

It still puts a huge question mark over the integrity of the league though.

[@georgehudson1353]

@@Birl Not at all, if the charges stick then punishments apply. They can't potentially commit 115 charges and be given a slap on the wrist if they stick, rules are rules and a clubs achievements shouldn't lessen them.

[@YTA5690]

Rodri will be back in time for City’s first game against Stoke City in the championship next season.

[@gerardsearancke6357]

Fingers crossed 🤞 😂😂

[@mervynpeters]

hahahha😅😅😅

[@coldarcticoasis]

They will need him. Stoke is a tough place to go.

[@thedean4431]

which nothing team do you support we are waiting dont bottle it please tell

[@James-sm7gh]

@@thedean4431 rattled

[@lukebrown8580]

Clive is a top fella, holds a conversation very well

[@TheGunnerRyan]

"Arsenal still couldn't beat this city side without Rodri in the 2nd half".. it was 10 Vs 11 and we still got a draw you absolute melt 🤦 these city fans are something else 😂😂😂

[@chrisrougue]

City fans don’t claim him

[@jefffoster7105]

Buvey the only one embarrassing 😂😂 YNWA

[@infinitestrengthcoach3522]

Always is

[@somehorse]

Chloe is a gem. So well-spoken.

[@ushmush4074]

Scholes was much better when he was camera shy.

[@NikkoNikko98]

Damn 🤣🤣🤣

[@Abu-Muadh0403]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@0shova]

He was great when he was a player, and I wouldn't have to see him on my screen outside of matches.

[@xxVmCfxx]

Basically what i'm getting is: Everything is ok until Arsenal do it. Complaining about referees? Fine until it's Arsenal. Defending?? Fine until it's Arsenal. Faking cramp? It's smart until Arsenal does it. It's so clear

[@AlCasu1888]

Don't forget celebrating. You're not allowed do that either. I've been envious of how Arsenal have developed in the last few years.

[@raimondojassalu4078]

This hate wagon gets more and more ridiculous ngl.

[@jansmith4284]

What Arsenal are doing is not smart though. They've had two players sent off, probably costing them four points, because of time wasting or gamesmanship in situations where it was unnecessary.

[@trident8480]

What about city still surrounding the ref

[@nofaceapex5177]

Exactly 💯

[@nickhendrie8681]

“Arsenal are cheats” says John Stones as he collects his wages in a bin bag

[@Apexseal1]

probably collects his wages in oil barrels honestly

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

▪︎Arsenal conspired Super League ▪︎City collapsed Super League ▪︎PL let off S.League conspirators ▪︎PL press 115 Charges on City?😂

[@chriszerafa4076]

Sorry but how can you even try to argue about the 115 charges when you know nothing about it yourself. City are not the league, rules are rules. If they get kicked out for this the league will carry on as we all know it would be the right thing to do.

[@plshsd]

Clive's such a great Arsenal rep. Represents his club well and does not go down to the level of some of these other fans and even the pundits' tribalism

[@shakesp5477]

Scholes proves that not all ex-players are good pundits. His takes are all over the places, shocking stuff.

[@BooomShakaBooom]

Rory shouldn't be representing Chelsea fans.

[@williamkimathi2505]

I was waiting for this comment, Rory and Shaun are too negative

[@Jake-t9s]

Arsenal are so defensive they only scored 91 goals last year.

[@andrewwright4195]

He only said they are not good going foward this season what wrong with that

[@johnmulandi54]

​@@andrewwright4195 spurs, villa Brighton and city

[@90TAnkit]

Well we have had the hardest fixtures in the league. Give it another 15/20 games then we have a clear data stat for all the teams.

[@andrewwright4195]

@@johnmulandi54 so we going blame opponents why arsenal can't attack?

[@Jake-t9s]

@@andrewwright4195 yes that’s right, they’ve not scored any goals this year and didn’t score two against City!

[@JackJonasMiner]

They need to get people like Alice on instead of Buvey

[@elarabymohammed1]

Buvey, Rory and Adam Mckola in the same room. Mix that with Carragher's instigation and Schole's weird takes on football. I can't take it 😅🤦🏻‍♂️

[@matrix35]

Rory is insufferable!!

[@dontbewoke]

don't watch then...

[@elarabymohammed1]

@@dontbewoke I actually stopped after a few minutes in

[@bigmitchtv3922]

You took enough to watch and leave a comment though😅

[@elarabymohammed1]

@@bigmitchtv3922 yeah and?

[@user-ev2nk9do2w]

Whys rory representing chelsea again hes clueless

[@vonpiit]

Demotion to the League 1 is not enough if City are found guilty. They should be banned from competing for 2 years and demoted on top of that. A demotion for these owners would mean that the investments would be worth it. Because they can easily make sure they have a good enough squad to go straight back up. That would only be a minor setback. Strip the titles too ofc.

[@samhuggins2656]

Stop using Jennings to represent us

[@mayukhbasu1742]

These pundits seem to not understand Sir Alex's famous words: "Attack wins you games, but defence wins you leagues"

[@4lj4zz]

And how many leagues have this Arsenal side won thanks to their defence?

[@killuaHxH]

Well one of the pundit is playing under sir Alex

[@rosestewart3829]

@@4lj4zzlooool with sol Campbell and adams at the back lol 😅

[@vmp2510]

Good lord buvey comes up with some absolute nonsense!

[@thomaswilliam4015]

'You're irrelevant to us' Are they? Pretty sure City is the only reason Klopp is sitting at home with 1 premier league medal. Stop acting like you don't care. You definitely do.

[@Hassrubb]

Liverpool under Klopp from 2017-2023 vs City at the Etihad: 0 wins 2 draws 4 losses 18 goals conceded 5 goals scored Why has it become a requirement for Arsenal to win at the Etihad, but when it’s Liverpool a draw is enough? Go and ask Arsenal fans if they would prefer ‘pretty football’ under Wenger and finish 4th or play defensively minded football under Arteta and win the league, they’ll all say the latter. The same was said last szn about our lack of goals, from January onwards we lost 1 game and drew 1, one rule for Arsenal, another for rivals, it’s pathetic.

[@CCCoNeTiMe]

Champions League?

[@Melandru__]

​@CCCoNeTiMe he's referring to league games even if you add champions league, liverpool only got 1 win there in 2018

[@rjtksingh]

3 draws*

[@rjtksingh]

Also, in 2019/20 league was done before the city game at Etihad

[@AyokunleOgunlade]

Arsenal haven’t lost this season . Why are these scumbags shading like arsenal been losing all season .. arsenal went on to beat Aston and tot on their turfs , drew man city at home ,,7points out of possible 9 ..

[@heeby123]

Every club does what Arsenal did when hanging onto a lead

[@123Woo-u8z]

Not really videos showing youngster running from bench with some instructions from Arteta or side coaches for Raya and then he instantly lay on ground pretend his injured,guy was on floor 4 times and his like perfectly fine

[@heeby123]

@@123Woo-u8z I went to Villa Everton two weeks ago. Pickford was doing this the entire 90 minutes, even before they took the lead!

[@jbleeuk]

I can honestly say I have NEVER seen Manchester City ever do what arsenal did,ever.

[@donuts7627]

Jurgen went on to win one and nearly beat Spurs after having 2 players sent off last year so no, not every team does that, teams that are a bit insecure do.

[@archaicrapture]

WHAT?

[@simisuperstar4794]

How many City fans agree with Buvey?? He is talking pure cap!!😂😂😂

[@luke7962]

Buvey and Rory on this is a recipe for disaster and I’m here for it hahahahaha

[@AshleyBazSivorn]

Why are Buvey, Jennings and McKola on here absolute melts

[@jonathanjayreader]

Mckola has always been on here tbf.

[@AshleyBazSivorn]

@@jonathanjayreader Still a melt tbf

[@steff1395]

A fair punishment if city found guilty would be, take all the titles away from them until 2018 and send them to efl league one, or ban them for a couple of years from the premier leauge. They need to do a Lance Armstrong example of it, simple as that.

[@Adam22457]

Arsenal draw 2-2 to city, away from home - and they talk about how poorly we played, yet Liverpool lose 1-0 at home to forest, and they think they can win the league?

[@donuts7627]

Buvey just doesn't get it, IF city have cheated, and while it hasn't been proven, it seems likely that they have fiddled the books. If they are guilty, then they cheated, which diminishes their achievements. Were they a nice side to watch,sometimes, but as Chloe says, how good does Jurgen look being able to challenge them so consistently

[@KevinSheedy10]

No it doesn't. The rules are completely arbitrary.

[@archaicrapture]

Football is won on the pitch. Whether people were getting brown envelopes doesn't count.

[@OBWanKenobi]

​@@archaicraptureso zero rules ?

[@ryanturner2559]

@@archaicrapture So you'd have no problem if the refs were getting brown envelopes? What you gonna do when Newcastle start handing out bigger brown envelopes than you?

[@Vannsk8s1]

Didn’t realise city had 12 players on the picture… literally all the top 6 have got a higher net spend than us yet we’re the cheats and it’s all based on loads of money. I don’t hear Chelsea getting a load of abuse they’ve literally just spent £1.5b in 2 seasons we’ve never done anything anywhere near that… how do you think the red cartel got to where they are in the first place loads of money being pumped in and now it’s the other way around they don’t like it. FFP was brought in the protect the big clubs, why are all the small clubs getting charged, wake up? If any one in the media read the CAS docs stating ‘no evidence’ then people might have different views. Have you ever seen anyone int he media actually break the charges down and explain them, wouldn’t that be a good place to start…but no a complete agenda that were already guiltily.

[@andybooth8261]

Oh dear Rory Jennings, this guy's absolutely clueless.

[@grahammclean7842]

The rhetoric against Arsenal from the public and the pundits is unbelievable. Scholes is so anti Arsenal it’s embarrassing

[@tris87don16]

Yeah i wouldn’t take anything him Keane etc say serious when it come to Arsenal. They had a bitter rivalry Scholes also missed his pen against Arsenal in the FA Cup Final.

[@mikeydalton6778]

scholes very disapointed about everything

[@alphaomega1534]

Arsenal fans dont like the truth lol

[@andrewwright4195]

​@alphaomega1534 they dont like it when it happens to them Newcastle they didn't like it

[@love4dave__643]

@@andrewwright4195we were told to get on with it, told it’s part of the game why would a team play the way you want now it’s different Lool ok

[@tom6554]

It would be the best thing in English football if they got relegated

[@Pegasios]

Convicting Man City if they have not respected the laws, would actually validate the integrity of the league. If anyone is guilty, they should be punished, regardless of the size of the team, or their achievements.

[@tipyourtakeawaydriverengla1036]

didnt city get found guilty by eufa but the incidents were to far gone for eufa to do anything about it ???

[@hamonryechinaski180]

City got CAS to intervene and CAS wouldn't consider e mails as they were allegedly hacked. CAS is not involved in PL process (shouldn't be involved in UEFA-that was their error), I see CAS as there for the sports that don't have billion dollar structures like athletics, cycling etc. F1 is like PL-a CAS free zone *because* Bernie had obviously realised they could decide titles...they would have overturned F1 2021 Abu Dhabi result in a flash!

[@oliverbrown2743]

How is Clive so clear of everyone else in the room

[@shorty30uk]

Stop the players going to the manager when the keeper goes down. Then there's no point in him trying it on.

[@ugonnao9473]

Cutting off your nose to spite Arsenal. Why wouldn't you want your club to able to get instructions from the manager

[@stephenndiritu9815]

rory is a traitor

[@Bradclart]

Pilot: "Hello, this is the Captain speaking - we are currently flying above 35,000 feet.." Paul Scholes (allegedly): 🥵🤤

[@StephenCarrIsBald]

What?

[@dave3k]

"Buvey give us twerk" 🤣

[@Hinderz]

Arsenal scored 91 goals last season - the most in the club’s history and Buvey is talking Arteta’s negative tactics - now that’s embarrassing

[@sinnermac6338]

all the money and titles in the world will never make City a big club

[@Cafez27]

Straight to what Arsenal did wrong, how that wasted time, which they didn’t….. Instead of going to the heroic and brilliant defensive performance it actually was. They are adaptable, and the same people saying Arsenal only had one plan, and that they were soft saying they are too defensive now. Honestly the cognitive dissonance and sheer dishonesty and its brazenness is a joke and embarrassing

[@balzinderchhabra8804]

Agree.

[@grantmurray7]

Put down the thesaurus

[@Redman680]

They wasted time, quite a lot. You're delusional if you saw it otherwise. At one point an Arsenal defender went down with "cramp", the ref wouldn't stop the game & that defender then jumped up and sprinted to make a challenge!! Also, Raya goes down 4 or 5 times a game, usually when Arsenal are winning. If he's carrying such a substantial injury, causing him to need treatment 5 times per match(IF Arsenal are winning), then why play him? Put the Thesaurus down son & actually watch a match. 🤡🤡🤣🤣

[@Admiral_Kekdog]

Timber and Rays wasted a lot of time with their fake injuries, behave. Just like Real Madrid always do

[@Cafez27]

@@Admiral_Kekdog muppet Timber came off…..as did Califiori, and Martinelli…. Again the ball was in play for 35mins the highest of any half hour in the PL this season. Phew, the tribal nonsense is breathtakingly stupid….

[@Jimbobiscuit]

I love how everyone already starts laughing as soon as Buvey starts talking 😂

[@harryk2336]

Love Scholsey, but his opinions on Utd are just so bad. Always negative

[@PaulCohen-n8b]

Paul Scholes might just be the worst pundit out there... his takes are all wrong, and clearly has no knowledge on football today. Bring back Gary Neville!

[@Cafez27]

Oh my goodness!!! Use your eyes 👀 Walker is back in like with his defence when the free kick is taken, it’s down to him to pay attention to the game and get himself set, and be aware of Martinelli. Where does it is saying the rules the ref is obligated to let Walker er ‘get set’. How would the ref know he is set, does Walker say hey Michael you can go now I’m all good. No of course not Walker switched off and was more concerned about speaking to the ref than actually getting himself set. Stupid stupid lamestream media narrative

[@danchinho5210]

What are you on about, Scholesy? De Ligt not being much of an upgrade on Maguire? Unbelievable...

[@paulfarley8023]

The way Buvey just ignores Chloe on 23min is appalling. The arrogance of the fella. 🤯

[@ShubhamYadav-ll1ep]

I hate how Jamie carragher and Paul scholes hate arsenal and clearly showing their biasness

[@rigsby1454]

Carragher tried to be devils advocate but Scholes chats a lot of rubbish

[@Icarus07c]

*bias

[@joseph70798]

@@Icarus07cbiases*

[@Icarus07c]

@@joseph70798 both are grammatically correct, bias or biases. Biasness however, is not.

[@alank997]

Clive is such a great rep for Arsenal. Speaks with poise, balance and class. Buvey on the other hand.. city fans should be embarrassed of him

[@DeeDeeDanone]

Clive speaks so well. Classy man.

[@mrrotevatn]

Clive is a very good representative for Arsenal! Talks very much sense! COYG

[@realife1542]

If Liverpool can keep a full squad they will be up there, city’s record without Rodri isn’t great

[@rigsby1454]

Liverpool lost last week to Forrest. They’ve had a fairly easy start.

[@andrewwright4195]

​@@rigsby1454city hasn't been tested or arsenal

[@trident8480]

​@@andrewwright4195 arsenal haven't been tested they've played city Brighton villa and spurs

[@andrewwright4195]

@@trident8480 spurs are rubbish villa got lucky was outplayed by them Brighton always beat arsenal

[@ishmaelsesay7833]

@@andrewwright4195stop lying to yourself

[@Kurgan618]

If you think Arteta's strategy is to prioritise defence and cling on, then Moyes is the more likely influential manager - 04/05 Everton achieved their best Premier league finish using that approach. Arteta was superb that season.

[@elmochacho3]

Rangers were never relegated. They ceased operating, started again and applied to join the football league. Can't feed the delusions of continuity.

[@DogstarGaming]

Get Rory off !! Give Nini from Blue Lions a chance !!

[@uk_paul_6261]

The best thing for football would be getting rid of city

[@coldarcticoasis]

Scholes thinks Maguire is better than de ligt and rashford better than garnacho show how he has worse manager sense than my nan.

[@KPP365]

Love this great to see the mix of people and pundits expressing their points of view

[@tomwalsh6774]

"City had won multiple league titles before the takeover" They'd won 2 (Two) . That was less than Huddersfield Town.

[@kennwan9917]

Nice to see Scholes is starting to get the time to be in the media more. Honest no nonsense man.

[@anindomukolwe]

15:31 He has shitty takes.

[@kennwan9917]

​@@anindomukolweyou've just tagged when carragher speaks and then the audience so no idea what you mean fella

[@mzilikazi96]

😂 so the ref has to give Walker time to “back into position” but not give Trossard a chance to actually hear the whistle and respond. City weren’t even about to take a free kick. Oliver hadn’t even put out the white spray, delaying the game. Load of waffle!

[@martinguy7609]

Buvey talking nonsense. "Couldn't even beat us without Rodri" - WE HAD LESS PLAYERS ON THE FIELD 😂

[@harvinsingh4333]

Buvey is one of those that clearly, dont play the sport, but just wants the ego fulfilment of being a champ. LOL~ similar to 90s united fans.

[@MelonGearSolid]

Buvey turned into Ty there "are you a lawyer?"

[@ClipboardKeith]

9.12 the whole room looking at buvey while he’s waffling is so symbolic of his KZbin career

[@AM-cp6cz]

Scholes just speaks so much nonsense on Arsenal. Maybe I only notice it more for my club, but these pundits recite the same lines its like they get told this is wha need to say you

[@deepanmurugan467]

Only Bubey is capable of getting the heat in comments when Rory Jennings is also involved in the discussions, that takes some doing.

[@bellers01]

The reactivity from pundits is comical.

[@dnc9952]

I think they will stop players being allowed to go to the touchline for “injured keepers “ They will bring in new rules.