Should Lamar Jackson Win His 3rd MVP, Or Is There Someone More Deserving? | Pat McAfee Show

[@YeTheGOATNoCap]

43 TDs to just 4 Ints is unreal.

[@tjl12345abc]

missing the 10 fumbles

[@Reality_oo]

@@tjl12345abcsome serious hate when you just start making b.s up in an attempt to sway peoples opinions 😂

[@tjl12345abc]

@@Reality_oo made up? Are you a literal crazy person? He has 10 fumbles this year. See a doctor

[@kamman1374]

How dumb are u?​@@Reality_oo

[@Venom-js9tn]

@@tjl12345abc not all 10 fumbles resulted in a turnover and fumbles are gonna happen when you're a duel threat QB

[@AgiDaKinG]

Ravens have lost by a combined 22 points this season. The number of points left on the board by Justin Tucker missed field goals/XP this year… 22.

[@melaninknowledge3658]

Exactly. Thats still less than the bills when they played the ravens 😂

[@Dankadin]

Have the kickers of the opposing teams missed no fgs?

[@FollowerOfChrist365]

Exactlyyyy

[@mikes7405]

they lost to the real MVP, Mahomes just wins. most important stat out there

[@chadbutler8634]

😂wtf does this has to do with anything concerning the MVP race

[@MyNameIsJaxon]

Josh Allen got embarrassed in the head to head matchup with Lamar and no one is talking about it.

[@mrguildwars392]

Lamar Jackson got embarrassed in a head to head matchup vs Gardner Minshew and no one is talking about it

[@monteztaylor547]

​@mrguildwars392 wrong he lost, not embrassed.. Josh got benched in the 4th because the game was out of hand.. goofy

[@whydidiwastemytimeonthis4581]

@@monteztaylor547fr dude just tryna say anything 🤦‍♂️.

[@jviewer99]

Josh Allen also beat the Lions and the Chiefs and Lamar lost to the Raiders and browns lmao

[@Dimezprod]

@@mrguildwars392 a 4 point loss vs a team with davante adams and brock bowers. You sound slo.

[@brad9717]

We can’t compare players to how they did in previous years. It’s about that year and how all the players did that year.

[@bware82]

You would think but for a in season reward people still bring up playoff records/Superbowl wins.

[@segawalker3302]

2:45 why does the narrative talk about playoff for the regular season MVP?!?!

[@johnmuthami9824]

🎯

[@InteristaS5]

Because you touch yourself at night

[@jacobmeglich6699]

Because if Lamar wins 3 and plays bad again in the playoffs than what are we doing lol

[@tregainsfitness4928]

​@@jacobmeglich6699 Tf you mean 😂 what if JOSH ALLEN WINS IT THIS YEAR and then don't win a super bowl in his career

[@burgersworth4870]

@@jacobmeglich6699which has what to do with a REGULAR season award?

[@timlanigironu]

Stats didn't matter as much last year because the regular season Ravens were so good Lamar was sitting out the 4th quarter every other game. Just like he's done a few games this year even. Josh Allen has won 4 games with a sub 100 passer rating while Lamar is about to set the all time record for rating in the season. It shouldn't even be a discussion but too many people want it to be Allen based entirely on feels.

[@MoodyMilker]

Race

[@Coffey_Black]

Bills fans think that they can cry and get there QB a MVP just like they cried about the OT rules and got them changed when they lost to the Chiefs in the (13 sec) Playoff game, when one year prior they voted against the rule change when the Chiefs tried to change them after Mahomes vs Brady in the AFC championship OT game... Bills will cry 😭

[@AV14522]

Wouldn’t say it’s all based on “feels”. It’s more based on the fact that Lamars team around him is better than Allens.

[@terrancehall9762]

@@AV14522 not really. bills have won when allen plays poorly. ravens haven't won a game when lj8's passer rating was under 110

[@L.R.KNIGHT]

@@AV14522 wrong. Ravens have one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Lamar has taken nine more sacks than Allen, and he also leads the league with avoided sacks. Over 30

[@thebroskies4209]

Lamar also put up 100 points in 11 days. Going 3-0 while there opponents only scored 33 points in total.

[@alexsmith3598]

So good defense stopping opponents from scoring?

[@Kristoff3334]

Well the opponent score is completely irrelevant when it comes to this vote. But that's a lot of points in 11 days. Especially when you throw that up next to my Steelers 😅

[@ddaa2244]

Congrats to Lamar for holding the opponents to 33 points. The man can do everything!

[@reginaldboyd9755]

@@ddaa2244that’s why he’s the 🐐

[@thebroskies4209]

@ddaa2244 oh that right i totally forgot our 28th ranked pass defense did that

[@rasik7000]

Lamar wins MVP without anyone. Everyone says fluke. Lamar about to win MVP with bunch of weapons. Now they say he has weapons so he can't win MVP 🤔🧐🧐

[@b1gS0Wh4t]

Can't win for losing

[@ketubann9405]

Lets be real he shouldnt have won last years MVP

[@charlesquirtoz724]

@@ketubann9405it was the niners beat down last year that gave him the mvp right?

[@SportEnjoyer-g3i]

Wait but you prove the point. Lamar won MVP without anyone and it was because he was so valuable to a team with nothing extraordinary. Now he has Derrick Henry and an impressive defense. Josh Allen doesn’t have a defense, and nothing extraordinary as far weapons. Ergo MVP.

[@Reality_oo]

@@SportEnjoyer-g3iit goes to the best player in the league which is Lamar last year and this year period

[@timjackson16]

The stats for Burrow just point out how much the Bengals have let him down this year

[@ketubann9405]

If Bengals get into the playoff he should win the MVP

[@TonyMontana-tp4mn]

​@@ketubann9405casual, he won't even finish top 3 in voting

[@joehadaway5018]

He should win it either way. Hes the best qb in the league right now and he's on one of the worst teams

[@TW__________]

Wb when the Bengals defense actually gotten the stops that mattered and Joe and the offense did nothing ?

[@tylerdecker6994]

@@joehadaway5018he’s my fantasy qb and chase my wr1. Also got Barkley

[@melaninknowledge3658]

Lets put something into perspective: Lamar currently has the 2nd highest passer rating in NFL history with 1 game left. The ravens are still among the top 15 teams in dropped passes. Imagine if they were NOT! Lamar would have the highest passer rating in the NFL already and would have close to 5k passing yards and 45+ TDS. You're only good as the teammates that's around you.. A lot of HOF QBs were throwing the ball to other HOF recievers.

[@RageDaug]

Crazy. Then Imagine if Lamar didn't get to pass against the most box heavy defenses, to two receivers who lead the league in getting separation. Then Lamar would probably be near top 5 in passer rating this year, no where near the single season record. Perspective is a great tool.

[@melaninknowledge3658]

@@RageDaug so your blaming other teams now? 😆 I'm talking about lamars teammates kid. Lamar has no control on how another team plays against them but he has control on who he throws to. You mad lamar got the #2 highest PR in history's and could get #1 vs the browns? Not bad for a RB huh? 😆

[@RageDaug]

@@melaninknowledge3658 Yep. If other teams have to focus your RB as the #1 threat, instead of your QB, and other teams can't cover your receivers...ALL that helps your QB look better.

[@lamariselite729]

@@RageDaugbrain dead take. Lamar’s faced heavy boxes for a majority of his career.

[@RageDaug]

@@lamariselite729 So? All you are doing is making a case that Lamar did less to earn his previous years MVPs. Josh Allen, Mahomes, and Burrow have to throw against 2 high most of the game. Lamar does not. That makes it easier for Lamar's receivers to get open since there's less guys in coverage.

[@esmith7194]

When you have to make up stats, for why Lamar shouldn't be MVP there is a problem.

[@mikko3]

@@esmith7194 Wasnt a problem last year

[@donkeybus]

Its not "best player" its mvp. Its cleqrly Allen this year, or Lamar and Henry should share it.

[@unadulteratedtruth8716]

The numbers tell the real story. Lamar Jackson Game by Game - Passer Ratings Vs Chiefs 90.8 (Playoff) Vs Raiders 81.4 Vs Cowboys 139.4 Vs Bills 135.4 (Playoff) Vs Bengals 119.9 (In Hunt) Vs Commanders 114.7 (Playoff) Vs Buccaneers 158.1 (Playoff) Vs Browns 101.8 Vs Broncos 158.3 (Playoff) Va Bengals 141.4 (In Hunt) Vs Steelers 66.1 (Playoff) Vs Chargers 126.5 (Playoff) Vs Eagles 101.3 (Playoff) Vs Giants 154.6 Vs Steelers 115.4 (Playoff) Vs Texans 143.9 (Playoff) Vs 12 Playoff Contending Teams 122.65 Vs 4 Non-Contenders Teams 119.3 Josh Allen Game by Game - Passer Ratings Vs Cardinals 137.7 Vs Dolphins 107.1 Vs Jaguars 142.1 Vs Ravens 73.9 Playoff Vs Texans 56.4 Playoff Vs Jets 127,9 Vs Titans 116.1 Vs Seahawks 102.9 In Hunt Vs Dolphins 95.6 In Hunt Vs Colts 60.6 In Hunt Vs Chiefs 83.5 Playoff Vs 49ers 141.3 Vs Rams 117.2 Playoff Vs Lions 122.4 Playoff VS Patriots 67.1 Vs 8 Playoff Contending Teams 89.1 Vs 7 Non-Contenders Teams 119.9

[@117Chief930]

Now that's some great info! Show it to the Bills homers in here who can't get their heads out of their butts to see the truth

[@unadulteratedtruth8716]

@117Chief930 Lamar has been consistently better and played his best against THE best. Not a single person hinted that Josh was the best player on the field the night the Bills played the Ravens.

[@tjl12345abc]

Lamar is throwing against the heaviest boxes of any playoff team because of Henry, his WRs lead the league in separation at .5 and Josh's WRs are 3rd to last in separation. You gotta focus on passer rating to muddy the data bc if you looked at QBR Josh's is higher. How does Josh have a higher qbr but not passer rating? Because Lamar has 10 fumbles which is in QBR but not passer rating and more total turnovers but only throwing turnovers count right???? They even have the same touchdown to turnover ratio with Lamar having a much better team. Crazy how you guys cherry pick stats this year

[@Reality_oo]

@@tjl12345abcit doesn’t matter mf his stats are better his tape is better he’s better you don’t get mvp over someone that played better than you sorry your boy lost 😂😂

[@JD-ob1jf]

@@tjl12345abc he faces heavy boxes in large part because he is the greatest rushing QB of all time. qbr is partially subjective so a bogus stat

[@daddybondrewd]

My favorite thing I've seen today is someone called Lamar the grinch. Last year on christmas he stole Dak's MVP, and this year on christmas he stole Allen's

[@UmadBro88]

I’ll take that bet. Lamar got a HOF running back. Allen doing it solo.

[@retronerds6884]

@so lamar finally gets helps and now all of sudden he can’t win mvp

[@jasonfrayne8187]

@@retronerds6884Take Josh and Lamar off their teams and put in a Joe Schmoe and which team do you like better? I’m biased because I’m a bills fan and want Josh to win it, but in that situation I’m 100% taking the Ravens. People were saying the bills might not make the playoffs, but if the chiefs didn’t have black magic on their side they could be the 1 seed rn. If Lamar wins it this year it’s 100% recency bias

[@retronerds6884]

⁠​⁠@@jasonfrayne8187recency bias my butt Lamar has out played Allen in e every game lamar off the ravens means no playoff whatsoever

[@jasonfrayne8187]

@ every game is an asinine statement considering the ravens have 5 L’s to buffalos 3

[@GildedWarrior331]

3:39 man Pat that was such a crazy play where you never see a good defender get confused on how to use his legs or brain in order tackle one person 😂

[@bruhbruhhh6592]

21 mph, boy was zooming. Usain Bolt went 27, and Lamar is wearing full pads

[@BLACKSTONEPOET]

The best rushing qb has the second best qbr of all time......huh???? What????

[@TheRealInconvenientTruth]

Not bad for a running back!

[@donkeybus]

Having Henry in the back field is abcheat code for the passing game. Anyone who knows anything about football understands that

[@BLACKSTONEPOET]

@donkeybus has lamar made everyone of his rbs better? Yes! Has Henry ever made his Qbs better? No! Henry has the most "rushing yards before contact" of his career. Have you seen the all 22 breaking this down? This is not an opinion. It is an empirical fact.

[@donkeybus]

@BLACKSTONEPOET how do you make the leap that having Henry doesnt make Lamar better?? "Has henry ever made his qbs better?" Yes, hes made Lamars job easier and its as obvious as the sjy being blue!! This just means you are so biased that you cant be taken seriously. They obviously help each other, if you cant admit that you dont know anything about football, cherry pick whatever stats you want, why are the Ravens receivers #1 in seperation???

[@BLACKSTONEPOET]

@donkeybus have you watched the all 22? Lamar had a number 1 running game last year without Henry. Right? How was Henry last year? This isn't bias. I'm asking questions and providing empirical answers. I hear your emotions, but they don't make my facts incorrect.

[@danielvaladez3210]

The funny thing is, if the Bills somehow lose and Baltimore wins thier division, they're actually the 2 seed over the bills 😂

[@BCFC954]

Bills have to lose 2 games. Unlikely with the Jets & Patriots remaining. I want Lamar to go into Buffalo & shut that entire city up. 2nd best QB rating in HISTORY and they want to discredit Lamar. Hell Naw. Even before this season I’ve met several Bills fans who called Lamar 🗑️. Some serious jealousy/delusion with that fanbase

[@danielvaladez3210]

@BCFC954 I'm just saying their whole argument for Allen as MVP is more wins, but legitimately they could finish the year with the same amount 😂

[@BCFC954]

@@danielvaladez3210 true I wished they lost the game last week. I would love to see the buffalo cope. Truly hate the argument because both are deserving. They just come off ridiculous given the stats & eye test

[@danielvaladez3210]

@BCFC954 I wouldn't say Allen is deserving. He lost head-to-head. And mind you at that point in time, Baltimore had the WORST pass defense in NFL history and he lost by 25. Then, he followed that up by going 9-30 against the same team Lamar made look silly. Like Lamar has not had ANYWHERE near these BAD performances so why is this a discussion 😅

[@danielvaladez3210]

@BCFC954 the Ravens' 5 loses are by a combined 22 points. They blew Allen out for more than that lol

[@adam7899]

Lamar has 39 passing & 4 rushing TDs,

[@Cat-ml2gk]

If Saquon breaks Dickerson’s record he should get the MVP. If Saquon breaks the record and doesn’t win then we really just need to call the MVP award the best QB award. The Dickerson record is iconic.

[@jacobsims8307]

He’s got an extra game, it’s only a matter of time.

[@jogzz7779]

So what if Lamar breaks Rodgers's record right after breaking Vick's🤔

[@lnr12241]

The eagles would still be good without Saquon. Not as good obviously but they'd still be good. Lamar is the most valuable to his team. It's not BEST PLAYER AWARD. It'd most valuable. I absolutely love Saquon. But he not the most valuable to his team

[@TheCoolreaper44]

Dickerson didn't even win the award that year Marino did 🙁

[@YngGreen]

@@lnr12241 if we're going by that standard, Joe Burrow should get the award or Jayden Daniels.

[@jacobcamp5060]

There's no way Lamar doesn't deserve it

[@DreadedEnding]

he doesn’t not deserve it, but he shouldn’t win it

[@williamkang1481]

@@DreadedEndingtoo many double negatives. Pass.

[@mikko3]

@@williamkang1481 Dont flip flop now and stick to the agenda used last year. How can LJ be MVP when he is barely the most valuable player on his team? Most open receivers in the league and Henry needs 20 carries in order for BAL to win. Purdy couldnt be MVP last year for these exact same reasons

[@JosephSeibert-s1t]

⁠Lamar has a better passer rating when Derrick Henry is off the field! He has 12 more TD passes than Allen, he plays in the AFC NORTH. He beat the Bills ass 38-10. Allen looked like trash. Best passer rating in the NFL by far. (Every QB who has had a passer rating of 120+ has won the MVP. This race isn’t even close. Lamar should be the MVP. Look at the teams Allen has beaten! Nobody!Except the Chiefs and an awful Detroit defense! SOV for the Bills: 462. SOV for the Ravens: 539. (That is the highest in the NFL.) This is the easiest choice in history.

[@donkeybus]

​@@JosephSeibert-s1tturns out its not an awardbfor best stats (or Lamar should win). Allen clearly mvp, or Lamar and Henry should share it.

[@kalroy1230]

2:16 you know the meme of the parent saving the kid while the other kid drowns and theres a skeleton at the bottom of the pool? That skeleton is joe burrow.

[@coolmanjones]

People wanna keep saying Henry is the reason Lamar shouldn’t win the MVP. No disrespect to the king but when he was on the titans last year they only managed to eek out 6 wins. Lamar is the difference maker, and he’s been the difference maker ever since he stepped foot on a Pop Warner field.

[@legendofsaig]

False he went to an already playoff contention ravens. Lamar isn’t the reason it’s the entire team. His receivers get the most separation IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. Seems pretty easy to pass the ball to open targets while also having a HOF rb taking making it difficult to defensively stop them as a WHOLE

[@coolmanjones]

@ why do you think they can get so open? Couldn’t possibly be because Lamar is an absolute menace in the pocket and can extend plays like no other QB could dream of.

[@dave3823]

“Difference maker” until it counts for something.

[@donkeybus]

​@@coolmanjonesso you are saying Henry doesnt help?? Come on bro, be real. Lamar is great, but Allen has more wins with a worse team.

[@coolmanjones]

@ Henry has been great but idk how people can say he’s “shouldering the load” when Lamar is having the best statistical season of his career.

[@vripper2678]

Why Tf Is Josh Allen up there? Because he has 11 rushing TDs?

[@varsityva943]

All in a tush push

[@vripper2678]

I think it’s because he has the most multiple td rushing and passing in history. Like Ohtani. Ok that’s respectable.

[@LucaMinichini-h1b]

​@@varsityva943u didn't watch the chiefs game did u

[@RageDaug]

Because Allen helped his team win against the best team in the AFC and the best team in the NFC. All the while scoring 11 TDs in two games setting multiple NFLs firsts that no one has even imagined, much less seen, before.

[@klardfarkus3891]

Josh Allen is a ball hog. Lamar let’s the running backs run the ball in, but Josh Allen insists on scoring running tds himself

[@troyAZB]

Saquon since week one has been dominant. When the Eagles had no offense, they won games on his back. When they had dynamic offensive games, he was leading the way.

[@kboogie5788]

Lamar has played 10 playoff teams this season his record 7-3. Josh Allen has played 5 playoff teams this season his record 2-3. Lamar Also beat Josh Allen head to head this season.

[@DesignRhythm]

Ravens were supposed to be good and the Bills were supposedly rebuilding. Ravens have 5 loses & the Bills are the only one to beat KC.

[@eldiego68]

Reaching so hard 😂

[@askmiller]

@@DesignRhythm According to who? If the criteria for winning MVP involves how wrong analysts were about you, then shouldn't Darnold be the front runner?

[@r.b0705]

They have played 5 wildcard exit playoff teams and lost to eagles and chiefs. Stop it

[@FollowerOfChrist365]

@@r.b0705he literally said that by stating the numbers but the point still stands Ravens beat good teams bills dont

[@C.A.D.]

Remember when McNair and Manning tied lol

[@joshuamcneely3028]

Favre and Sanders in 97.

[@kendallt506]

2003 i believe

[@benmecha01]

Yellowstone Tone havin an AP vote is so funny

[@vripper2678]

If Lamar had Andy Reid as a coach, he’d have as much rings as Mahomes.

[@Jeremy-iv9bc]

Only if he was Mahomes’ backup the whole time.

[@LuckyAJC]

lamar is a choker

[@lyndellbolling3730]

@@LuckyAJCthey also said the same thing about Peyton Manning who has 4 MVP’s until he got his first one with the Colts

[@Laboom-edits]

More

[@LuckyAJC]

@lyndellbolling3730 and he was a choker, when lamar wins 2 get back to me

[@davidgurganus3466]

AFC East is 6 automatic wins for Bills.

[@GavinNikel11]

Not without Josh Allen!

[@davidgurganus3466]

@ Tyrod Taylor could win that division this year

[@PaytonSzudzik1]

Last i checked the Bill weren't supposed win it this year. It was the Dolphins or the Jets time😂

[@FollowerOfChrist365]

@@PaytonSzudzik1with a 35 year old Rodgers and fire coaches cmon now. And the dolphins really when's the last time dolphins beat good 🤣🤣🤣

[@DD-rk6kn]

@@FollowerOfChrist365 rodgers is 41

[@almonjoseph4382]

burrow has 39 tds 8 interceptions leads league in passing yards (4200) But Lamar has 39 tds 4 interception 3950 passing yards and 850 rushing yards (4800 total yards of offense) Joe isn’t in the debate if they are saying Josh should get it over Lamar.

[@metal100k]

Joe is also getting blown out because of his bad defense so he has to throw more, with his amazing receivers in chase and higgins

[@feroxk.9266]

you forget that its alot harder to play like a Joe Burrow (who also has a trash O-Line) or Jared Goff. completely different skillset to Josh Allen or Lamar. They have no bail-out option with their feet, they have to do everything pre snap and be much more precise with their throws. Beeing a mobile QB makes life alot easier, extending plays and so on. That throw Goff did over 2 Bills linebacker to St. Brown was a MVP throw. Burrow is the same just with a shittier team. Thats why they likely will ever have it harder, they will not get rushing td's but you actually have to watch the games and all the pre-snap and reading of defenses to understand their actual value.

[@metal100k]

@feroxk.9266 winning does play a role though. No one says Joe burrow is playing like trash but a losing record will always hold back that player from getting recognition. Not to mention that playing from behind forces certain playstyles that can appear flashy but also leave little room for error. Also burrows easy out option is chase and Higgins. If one is a check down, or they just come back to open space, he can trust them to at least make a dead play a small positive with how elusive they have been. Yeah it's not the same as being highly mobile but they have those receivers on an absolute steal right now in terms of contracts.

[@braurio]

It’s really hard to win mvp and have a losing record. It’s just how the award works. They were about to give it to Brock last year lmao

[@trueson5351]

They did this same thing with Allen last year, hype him up even though he BARELY made the playoffs. Next year it will be Joe Barrow.

[@alexandercreef6161]

"I wish they would wait." For... what? It's a regular season award...

[@jrr59]

Don’t give a crop about MVPs…Give me Superbowls!

[@rasulsamad5860]

Just a fan neither is your reality

[@__thebadger]

Stats only matter when they favor lamar. The criteria for mvp is whatver lamar is doing that year.

[@bballkingoe16]

This is the most difficult mvp vote in YEARS. All 3 deserve it

[@mr.penguin4614]

whats also insane is in these games where they dominate, the offense scores so efficiently, that they stop playing to score in the 3rd and 4th quarter. there is no doubt in my mind had the game been closer, lamar ends with 5 or more TDs. That needs to be factored in as well. Thats why his TDs are as high as they are this year. Defense was struggling to get it together with a 1st year coordinator. They needed Lamar to have multiple games where they could go TD for TD like he did with the Bengals. Now that the defense has it figured out, they simply dont need the same level of output from him. if he had a defense like this all year, he wouldnt have 40+ tds. thats an underrated part of the conversation this year for some reason.

[@tjl12345abc]

thats cap hes been throwing in the 4th quarter of games all year, like he did up 30 against the giants and texans. bills have more points per drive anyway they have a more efficient offense

[@RageDaug]

Definitely the same for the Bills who have a higher point differential than the Ravens. The Bills go up by a couple scores early, then they take the ball out of Josh's hands, running the clock out.

[@FollowerOfChrist365]

@@tjl12345abcyeah okay 9/30

[@nathanielobinwaiii4139]

Tucker has missed 8 field goals and two extra points (26 points total). Ravens have lost by a combined 22 points this season.

[@JoshuaLangan-j3o]

Did every field goal against them hit as well?😂

[@donkeybus]

So you are saying Allen should have won it last year? Come on be consistent.

[@nathanielobinwaiii4139]

Nope. Just pointing out that not all wins/losses are the same. But Lamar had similar or better numbers than Allen in 2023 by most metrics. Allen had more total yards and TDs, but Jackson was more efficient by a significant margin. Allen 2023 (17 games): 284 total ypg, 7.0 ypa/ypc, 44 td, 23 TO (1.91-1 td/to) Jackson 2023 (16 games): 281 total ypg, 7.4 ypa/ypc, 29 total TD, 9 TO (3.22-1 td/to)

[@donkeybus]

@@nathanielobinwaiii4139 I agree with you, but its not a stat award. If it was a stats award Dak was better than Lamar last year. Its not "best qb" or Lamar should win, its most valuable to their team, which is clearly Allen.

[@nathanielobinwaiii4139]

@ Stats aren’t everything, but they do matter when it comes to players that have demonstrated a similar level of talent. If Allen has a good game to finish out this season I would give him the MVP because Henry is obviously boosting the Ravens offense. But Lamar’s numbers are absurd- at a certain point the stats become so lopsided it’s hard to argue against.

[@TheLmoney420]

One stat that isn’t talked about is how Jared Goff has gone 13-2 for the Detroit Lions with historic efficiency and QB rating numbers. But Goff isn’t considered flashy because he’s a pocket QB and therefore has zero shot at the award. Stuff like that and the fact Barkley could also break NFL records that have stood for decades and he’s likely gonna finish 3rd 🤦🏼‍♂️. I’m sorry, the award just doesn’t mean a whole lot.

[@jviewer99]

Lamar has an extra game lmao how are you putting the numbers side by side pretending he doesn’t have an extra game.

[@brianmartinez4826]

regardless he wouldnt cstch up to any of those stats☠️

[@jviewer99]

@@brianmartinez4826 just like Lamar won’t catch up to Bills wins lmao

[@brianmartinez4826]

@@jviewer99 tuff lamar got a higher win percentage lol

[@jviewer99]

@ this season? Lmao can you not do basic math

[@Wubbst3pp]

700+ more yards, 5 more TDs, better passer rating, etc. Allen isn’t touching those number with this weeks game.

[@bruhbruhhh6592]

Tone should give Russell Wilson his first (and only) MVP vote. That's what I'd do

[@jviewer99]

Imagine Henry on the Bills lmao

[@stobo7182]

Imagine Diggs on the Ravens

[@jviewer99]

@@stobo7182 what’s your point Diggs isn’t on the Bills lmao

[@Lidogz]

@@jviewer99Cook is about to be a 1000yd rusher and won the game for them when Allen couldn’t do anything against the Pats, so don’t act as if Josh has a bum as a RB that’s why his stats aren’t as good as Lamar.

[@alexsmith3598]

​@@jviewer99 You don't have to watch football to be a Ravens fan. It's their point of entry. They don't even know Henry is leading them to wins despite Lamar trying to pad his stats.

[@jviewer99]

@ Henry has almost DOUBLE cooks rushing yards lmao

[@mentalsoup60]

Tone saying “Idc where they are at” is proof he’s a great person to actually have a vote

[@DreadedEnding]

It’s not “best” player. It’s “most valuable” player. It’s between Josh Allen and Saquon.

[@cammyboyyy8173]

Tone does not have an AP Vote.. the list was released..

[@ravenswin16]

Ravens crushed Bills this year. Idiots.

[@r.b0705]

Derrick henry carried in that game and they still lost to raiders and browns

[@RageDaug]

Yeah, Henry did a number on the Bills back in week 4.

[@mikes7405]

Mahomes beat the Ravens and just about every playoff team this year. 15-1, feared by all and always comes in clutch. diff receivers and o line every other week, RB goes down and he finds ways to win. lamar can have his 50 tds, Mahomes busy winning Superbowls! What is the Chiefs record if you switch them? 15-1!!! MVP is Mahomes by far

[@tjl12345abc]

@@ravenswin16 Henry had more yards than Lamar that game

[@PTERlBLEDACTYL]

Is there no value to whom theyre throwing too.. strength of schedule/team? I just dont know the criteria... i dunno seems like an easy vote to me.

[@BRYIAN5]

43 TDs and realistically 1 INT.

[@MichaelPuckett-u5h]

Had 5 td's against the Tim Boyle & Tommy DeVito led Giants, including 1 in the 4th qtr while leading 28-7, cause you never know when a team will mount a comeback.

[@connorhfishing213]

Josh literally has his team on his back almost every week, last year numbers didn’t seem to matter when Lamar won it and he has a worse record with a much better team this year like come on

[@MrBjt51290]

The Ravens have a tougher schedule and division playing all the current afc playoff teams and he will have one more loss than last season. The ravens are 7-3 vs teams currently in the playoffs and the Bills are 2-3 vs current playoff teams with a easier schedule and playing in a weak division.

[@TheRealMallard]

Lamar is having a top 10 QB season all time. He deserves MVP. Allen was 5th in voting last year (although Dak or Purdy deserved to win last year)

[@jviewer99]

100%

[@jviewer99]

@@TheRealMallard Lamar doesn’t deserve to win lmao stats don’t matter he won with 29 total TDs last year

[@jviewer99]

@@MrBjt51290they lost to the raiders bro lmao

[@BigBreadBets]

Dont get how lamar is getting blamed for ravens barely loosing games where the defense gets aired out and tucker misses multiple kicks

[@Flirken1]

Just to at best win 1 playoff game. Regular season MVPs don’t matter. Lamar could have 3 MVPs and Mahomes could have 3 SB MVPs. Which matters more?

[@Chiefs555]

The only thing that matters is Super Bowl Rings. All the awards are trash compared to that.

[@matth844]

One Carries a team to the playoffs that shouldn’t be there. Proving he is the best player. While the team wins a Super Bowl. And the way this year is going. Refs wearing Chiefs jerseys should get the mvp nod

[@skillz9549]

Neck and Neck 🤔.. yeah right 🤯

[@DeeDubious]

How about a Non-QB for MVP

[@Captain_Kel]

The lack of consideration for Saquon is upsetting

[@surunitemiakanni-oye4346]

The ability to run with a football is not a reason for MVP greatness!

[@Got2GloveItz]

Danger is his middle name

[@wampuscat7589]

joe burrow deserves it more than the rest. no run game, no pass blocking. josh allen shouldn't even be considered 1.Burrow 2. Lamar 3. Barkley

[@1983oneeye]

Joey B deserves it more than anyone on this list.

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

You can’t be MVP with a losing record. It just doesn’t make sense.

[@FabuBrik]

Got swept by Lamar 🤷‍♂

[@johnmacdonald3201]

​@@FabuBrik their defence got swept you mean lmao

[@dronepocket325]

He is the best player in the NFL by a mile Joey B is an all timer

[@dronepocket325]

@@FabuBrikno. His team got swept by Lamars team. Bengals O line Nd Defense as a whole are pathetic

[@SteelKreel]

without Joey, the Bengals are competing for the #1 pick in the draft

[@aaa_driaaanxx3483]

Lamar is impressive we know this but Josh Allen was stripped of all receivers and defense. Now he’s balling out with a team that’s basically rebuilding. That’s what a MVP looks like right there

[@trueson5351]

They stripped him but he still not having a better year than Lamar.

[@A_r78]

@@trueson5351burrow is Levels above Lamar

[@mikko3]

​@@trueson5351 Last year Lamar fans claimed stats dont matter

[@DD-rk6kn]

amari cooper had 1250 yards last year with the browns. he one of the elite route runners in the nfl. give amari cooper to mahomes or burrow and see what happens lmao

[@beads2011]

@@mikko3 exactly Lamar wasn't even top 5 in qb stats last year, and they claimed the stats didn't matter. Now its the other way around and they say stats matter lmao

[@Tacticalpanda757]

Every previous MVP that was a QB had some kind of help when they won... and these weren't no named Players most of the players that are on the list were Star players in that year... So please tell me again how having Henry should effect Lamar Jacksons MVP status... 2018- Patrick Maholmes had Hunt, Hill, Watkins, and Kelce 2017- Tom Brady had Lewis, Cooks, and Gronk 2016-Matt ryan had Jones, Freeman, and Sanu 2015-Cam newton had Stewart, Ginn, and Olsen 2014- Aaron Rodgers- Lacy, Cobb, Adams, and Nelson 2013- Payton Manning- Moreno, Decker, Thomas, Thomas, and Welker 2011- Aaron Rodgers had Grant, Jennings, Nelson, Finley, and Driver 2010- Tom Brady- Gronk, Hernandez, Branch, and Welker 2009- Payton Manning- Addai, Wayne, Garcon, Clark 2008- Payton Manning- Addai, Wayne, Harrison, and Clark 2007- Tom Brady had Randy Moss and Wes Welker 2004-Payton Manning- "same as 2003" 2003- Payton Manning had Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark 2003- Steve McNair had Eddie George and Derrick Mason 2001-Kurt Warner had Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, Issac Bruce

[@burtswable6682]

Josh has meant more to his team than Lamar. Yes Lamar has a little better stats but that doesn't win the award. Go Bills MVP17

[@johnedwards2106]

I didn't know it was the leading stats award. Its what player is most valuable to his team and the answer to that is Allen

[@benmecha01]

it’s a tough call between Lamar and Josh….might just have no choice but to go with better record

[@Dee-jd6ym]

Lol you joking right? Lamar Beat Buffalo. Lamar leads Allen in most QB categories except 1. Lamar is in a tougher division Lamar had the 2nd hardest schedule in the entire NFL. Lamar has beaten more former playoff teams than Allen. 3 games in 11 days Lamar's Ravens out scored all 3 opponents by 3 scores Lamar has the 2nd highest seasonal qbr in league history behind 2011 Arod. Lamar broke the qb rushing record. Lamar is on pace to be the first qb in NFL HISTORY about to get 4,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards

[@TheLeadOfBlueNight]

Please keep in mind that Lamar is about to set the record for highest passer rating in a single season and is significantly ahead of Allen in literally every conceivable statline

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

Why is Josh Allen in this convo at all? Lamar eclipses Allen in every category, he has all year.

[@jviewer99]

Lamar had trash last year and won lmao stats don’t matter lamar d rider

[@boltsboltsbolts]

its not an offensive player of the year award. its Most Valuable Player.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

Just because he’s in the conversation doesn’t mean he’s the winner.

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

@@jviewer99 What? Last year I said Dak should’ve won it. Lamar was like my 4th pick. You simply cannot deny that he is the best QB in the NFL this year. It’s between Lamar and Barkley imo.

[@jviewer99]

@ you can deny it stats aren’t everything as Lamar proved last year and he’s been able to pad stats because of Henry taking pressure off him this year. Put Henry on the Bills lol.

[@samuelfaria8522]

Saquon numbers are underrated, In any other team he would have at least 10 more TDs. Jalen Hurts have 14 TDs because of the Tush Push.

[@atuurban9204]

What good is a 6 TD day when the refs push him down the field the entire game? Script mvp, Jackson is the REAL MVP.

[@rawleigh729]

Let’s keep same energy with the ravens getting calls too and Lamar stat padding in a lot of games

[@Kainteeka]

Lamar gets it and might as well rename it to most valuable pretender.

[@keymold4405]

@@rawleigh729ravens are the most likely penalized team in the league watch a game

[@misterchucky9409]

They should show the passing attempts Lamar has less than every other QB. Lamar should run away with MVP.

[@georgealvarez1195]

He shouldnt have won it last year and his stats show he didnt deserve it last year. But they gave it to him anyways. Now this year when he should actually win it and has the stats to back it up....hes not gonna get it. See how that works?

[@rawsportsamerica4895]

he should have won it last year and he should win it this year. Last year, he had those stats and didn't play the fourth quarter in most of the games.. if Lamar wanted to Stat Pad, his numbers would be Insane! This year, with Derrick Henry, if he wanted too he could easily rush for 14/15 hundred yards and have at least 10 rushing touchdowns.

[@RageDaug]

@@rawsportsamerica4895 Sure, we get it. the MVP should just be named the Lamar Award, and Lamar should automatically win it every year based on whatever stat we can find that he happens to be the best at that particular year.

[@rawsportsamerica4895]

@RageDaug that was a weak emotional argument. You can do better.. If he deserves it, then he should win. It's clear he has been the best player this year, thats why everyone is attempting to change how historically the award has been chosen. And doing all of this for a running back masquerading as a quarterback

[@dame3323]

​29 TDS is MVP Worthy to you? That's wild man. He definitely did not deserve to win it last year. @@rawsportsamerica4895

[@waltercurry136]

Lamar wants the super bowl more than an mvp... without the super bowl that means nothing...

[@nancybasileauthor]

But how valuable is Joe Burrow if his team isn't winning?

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

Not valuable at all, since his contract is the reason the Bengals can’t afford good defensive players.

[@yaboiblue]

Ive always said MVP goes to whoever has the coolest game closest to the end of the season...

[@shujinkirito1898]

Lamar says he’s not chasing it but he definitely is 😂love it

[@fabianz2285]

True, Thats Why he did Not Play 4 4th Quarters this year u sour kid hahahah

[@fabianz2285]

?

[@fabianz2285]

So thats why he did Not Play 4 4th Quarters this year lol?

[@tjl12345abc]

​@@fabianz2285 He played in the 4th quarter up 31-2 against the Texans and played in the 4th quarter up 35-7 against the Giants. Dude has been stat padding all year

[@JD-ob1jf]

@@tjl12345abc he sat out almost all of the 4th quarter against the giants. there's literally a clip where a coach ask if he wants to stay in to stat pad and he says no

[@alexwetherington]

We need to be talking about how Lamar is on pace to break Rodgers’ single season passer rating record while also having more total td, more total yards, and less ints than Rodgers’ did that year.

[@surunitemiakanni-oye4346]

Dak Preston garbage time statistics!

[@alexwetherington]

@ Lamar has sat out almost the entire fourth quarter multiple times this year because they were winning by so much. The complete opposite of stat padding.

[@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj]

Lamar is great, but let’s be honest. The Ravens were a successful franchise before Lamar showed up. They won 2 Super Bowls in the 17 year time period the Bills couldn’t even make the playoffs.

[@elijahbriggs2220]

What does that have to do with this years MVP?

[@sharkh20]

Their head coach was about to be fired and Lamar saved him.

[@deandreswiftszn6588]

Don’t know but what I do know is that the buckeyes winning the whole damn thing

[@dannymurray1854]

CLAHN... with Ryan Day?!!!

[@C.A.D.]

😂😂😂 no

[@Yuck412]

Why can't a non-QB ever win it?? There might as well just be a QB MVP and everyone else MVP award.

[@RageDaug]

Because no matter how good an offensive lineman is, he'll never provide as much value as the QB. The problem with the award is in the name, and the implication of providing value. More weight should be put on the OPOY and DPOY awards, since MVP = Best QB.

[@Aaronak3]

Dak stats were better than Lamar’s last year but they gave it to Lamar , Allen is doing more with less and has a better record also has good numbers

[@dave3823]

Lamar’s combined stats barely squeaked by 2-3 QBs passing stats last year.

[@jeffreyparks2371]

Let’s be honest. The talking heads and the NFL are creating (at least fueling it) this MVP controversy. They are trying to drum up television viewership for Buffalo games that really aren’t worth watching vs. the Jets and Pats. And the Ravens vs. the Browns. If statistics matter, it’s obvious who deserves the award.

[@RageDaug]

Last year we were all told statistics don't matter, it's team wins that matter most. Pick one. Was Lamar's MVP last year illegitimate?

[@jeffreyparks2371]

@ both matter. The Ravens have two more losses but played second hardest schedule in the league behind Cleveland. And play in a tougher division this year. The Ravens also demolished the Bills head to head and smashed a team in Houston who defeated Buffalo. They did have two bad losses to the Raiders and Browns, though, so unfortunately I think the decision for MVP shouldn’t be made until after the playoffs but it doesn’t work that way.

[@DD-rk6kn]

@@RageDaug if wins matters its mahomes, goff or darnold because they have the best records.

[@RageDaug]

@@DD-rk6kn OK, then make that argument, or make the argument that Lamar should not have won last year. But you can't support Lamar for MVP last year, AND Lamar for MVP this year, because it's two completely different sets of criteria, and it makes you look like a hypocrite, changing the criteria so that Lamar can just win MVP every year.

[@Jloadiing]

Joe Burrow the real MVP. The real football fans know

[@dronepocket325]

He is!

[@5bshep0]

Seriously? Joe isn’t even going to make the playoffs. Wins have to matter a little. Doesn’t matter the reasoning for the losses… Peyton always had the worst Defenses and somehow still won 12 games a year and got to the playoffs.

[@boltsboltsbolts]

MVP of team missing playoffs. lol

[@Kevinwattscca1]

He lost to the Ravens and Lamar twice this year. His defense is worse than trash so every game is a shootout thus his numbers are inflated because he throws the ball as often as he does. Now this is not to say he is not a top 4 quarterback and eventual HOF because he is but no third place divisional team deserves to have the MVP. As it signifies that what you are doing may be impressive but what true value does it have if it results in losing

[@salineaddict9850]

@@5bshep0 Wins don’t matter. Joe has done more than enough to win games. His defense couldn’t stop a pee wee squad from scoring

[@williamrosenberger5184]

Lamar broke more records in the last two years then half the nfl i mean come on it isn’t even close. Josh Allen is good but Lamar is great

[@rickyblues1]

White boy wasn’t even runner up last year lol

[@LeonardSanders-h6x]

The moral of the story is somebody is going home in the playoffs

[@ashleymcnally6172]

How on earth was Josh Allen "a runaway"?!! Lamar slapped Josh Allen silly earlier in the year. Funny how head to head only counts in certain situations. The problem with these people is they make such dramatic claims from one week to the next, it then makes them look like mugs when they get given a say in MVP.

[@dnice42]

It's not best team it's most valuable player, best team is who wins the super bowl

[@yunkychunky2435]

I don’t think it’s talked about enough that Barkley has the chance to beat the rushing record against his old team. I think he comes off like 70 yards short tho

[@Who_Dr3y]

Joe Burrow deserves it if they make the playoffs due to his defense being so bad

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

@@Who_Dr3y But his contract is the reason they can’t afford good defensive players.

[@Who_Dr3y]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037 nah Mike brown the owner is actually the reason bengals have cap space Mike brown just doesn’t spend money

[@Skogebear]

Saquan at 5.9 a carry and sniffing 2000 is wild. Glad he got out of NY.

[@bub6010]

Lamar has been carrying the ravens since 2018 these last 2 years he’s had legit wrs he won his first mvp throwing to rookie Hollywood brown Seth Roberts Willie Snead and Miles Boykin and he deserved it last season he was on fire the last 6 weeks of that season but the media will give josh a sympathy mvp

[@carlfisher8996]

Media throwing a lot of propaganda!!!!!

[@tylerkilgore3770]

It’s Lamar’s award. But the PR for the NFL want the white boy up there

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

That must be why Myles Garret won last year 😂😂😂 cause they wanted the white boy up there 😂😂😂

[@dronepocket325]

Have you completely lost your mind? NFL is woke AF, they have been trying everything possible to get people to think Lamar is the MVP He isn’t, it’s clearly Saquon

[@wrenstark6320]

@@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037Myles Garrett didn’t win mvp☠️

[@wrenstark6320]

@@dronepocket325hilariously wrong, the vast amount of donations and outside funding comes from right wing politicians and organizations

[@MadFire5445]

You’re a clown and what’s wrong with today’s America

[@rubenmartinez-d5o]

no hate for Tone, but this is why these awards mean very little to me.

[@NewYorkNYKer]

Bills 2-0 against #1 seed in each conference and he was like a super hero in that game. rest include Ravens, 1-28.. w/o Allen, they would not be close competition. Whereas Ravens can use more variety options for win.. If you emphasis on stats on meaningless competition with 5 TDs and 80 yards run, choose LJ, If you want wins, efficiency and how each player impact on its team to success, you choose Allen. So Most Valuable Player is Allen and it’s not even close on my valet. team which supposed to finish 3rd in the division whereas team with best record last year, Added arguably the best RB in last 20 years.

[@Joe_Kondeez]

damn amnesia when it comes to 35-10.. it's like it never happened 😂

[@117Chief930]

If you want to talk about beating playoff teams, the Ravens have beaten every single AFC playoff team this year with the exception of the Chiefs on opening day on the road by a toe. Allen has beaten what, 3 winning teams this season? And when they played each other, it was a complete blowout that Lamar balled out in. Your Bills bias is showing there, homer.

[@Joe_Kondeez]

@@117Chief930 you're not meant to bring that up bro. There's no rebuttal for it.. watch them not answer it 😂

[@redblob13]

Meaningless competition...???? They beat every sing AFC playoff team besides the chiefs and oh yh and an blowout win over the Bills what games were you watching?

[@RodneyWimbush-k2r]

And what about those fake pi calls that push them down the field?

[@Soulvakii]

Lamar doesnt put up these numbers without Derrick Henry

[@Galero15]

He has 2 MVPs before Henry showed up. In fact he’s 1 vote away from the second being unanimous. Henry is feeding off Lamar, not vice versa

[@FollowerOfChrist365]

Yeah because Lamar wasn't doing this before. Get outta here. If anything it helps Henry not the other way around.

[@MrKeykeylikesit]

You must be new to football.

[@biggiegreens24]

this is Lamar's 3rd mvp campaign. Derrick henry has been a raven for 0 seasons before this

[@lamariselite729]

You dropped this 🫴🤡

[@dylanknaebel7164]

People forget those numbers are with Josh a game behind

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

Saquon deserves the MVP. Lamars gonna lose first round of the playoffs.

[@dannymurray1854]

And Nick Sirianni's gonna pull through???!!!

[@salvatoreregalbuto5444]

@ he just beat you two weeks ago???

[@nickweber1388]

OPOY at best. qb award

[@C.A.D.]

No

[@tonygunk1058]

Maybe im biased bc im a giants fan, but when jalen hurts left the game, what happened to the Eagles offense?😅

[@terkish6203]

All of them including Goff could have taken it against the last 5 mvps Incredible year of football for all of them

[@StevenTalley]

Who had the hardest schedule? Who has the best record in the NFL? Who also has 3 divisional teams in the playoffs? Who should the real MVP be? Patrick Mahomes, forget the stats, he is the MVP. But since it's stat based.. Lamar should win it.

[@tommcdonnell7915]

Everyone on the progum should vote for the MVP, and whoever wins from the progum votes is whoever Tone votes for

[@ScottDabson]

Chuck Pagano is the best!!! I love he is on your show. Go Ravens!!!

[@anada303]

It's not a participation trophy. We don't pull the Chiefs from the Super Bowl because they won it a few times recently.

[@Iplaydacutt]

Close one i will say but Mv3 for Lj is a must