The Penuel Show In Conversation with Mbuso Khoza, uMkhokha, Shaka iLembe, Shembe Church, Homeless

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MBUSO KHOZA
00:00 - INTRO
04:00 - Biography
13:20 - Spirituality, losing my father
18:10 - Energy transfer
24:05 - Dealing with death
29:05 - Are Zulu's violent
30:45 - Shaka kaSenzangakhona "Zulu"
35:35 - Language & cultural evolution
40:15 - Significance of rings
42:15 - History of polygamy
50:40 - Violence
56:15 - Relationship between violence & peace
1:01:50 - Hardships of life
1:09:00 - Suicidal thoughts
1:12:43 - Dealing with depression
1:18:50 - What's spiritual about Shembe church
1:43:40 - Music & arts industry
1:47:28 - Taking lessons from musical legends
1:52:00 - Learning from others mistakes
2:00:15 - Dangers of being knowledgeable
2:16:02 - The Mbuso Khoza foundation
2:27:20 - Closing comments
2:32:41 - ENDS
Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu
IG: kzndlovu
Tt: khwezindlovu

[@konvo_za]

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH MBUSO KHOZA <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="0">00:00</a> - INTRO <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="240">04:00</a> - Biography <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="800">13:20</a> - Spirituality, losing my father <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1090">18:10</a> - Energy transfer <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1445">24:05</a> - Dealing with death <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1745">29:05</a> - Are Zulu's violent <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1845">30:45</a> - Shaka kaSenzangakhona "Zulu" <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2135">35:35</a> - Language & cultural evolution <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2415">40:15</a> - Significance of rings <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2535">42:15</a> - History of polygamy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3040">50:40</a> - Violence <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3375">56:15</a> - Relationship between violence & peace <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="61">1:01</a>:50 - Hardships of life <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="69">1:09</a>:00 - Suicidal thoughts <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="72">1:12</a>:43 - Dealing with depression <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="78">1:18</a>:50 - What's spiritual about Shembe church <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="103">1:43</a>:40 - Music & arts industry <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="107">1:47</a>:28 - Taking lessons from musical legends <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="112">1:52</a>:00 - Learning from others mistakes <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="120">2:00</a>:15 - Dangers of being knowledgeable <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="136">2:16</a>:02 - The Mbuso Khoza foundation <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="147">2:27</a>:20 - Closing comments <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="152">2:32</a>:41 - ENDS Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu IG: kzndlovu Tt: khwezindlovu

[@Ttp017]

Thokozani ....oBuuhle

[@wisdomtorku1310]

Too much wisdom and consciousness released here. But Penuel, almost 1 hour of the video is in local language. It makes it difficult for some of us to grasp the whole content. Am Wisdom, connecting from Ghana 🇬🇭

[@MsRoriT]

If you live in the future, you will be anxious. If you live in the past, you will be depressed. If you live in the present, you will have peace of mind.

[@buhlebethuyoyo9121]

If you live in the future, you will be anxious. If you live in the past, you will be depressed and if you live in the present, you will be lost.

[@Vince_78]

Kindly change the word will with the word are and feel how it sounds..."the present".

[@selbybopape23]

These 4 comments are Just Loaded in their different Perspectives

[@bhekifamthembu7283]

I wonder how is your present. How you are happy

[@nkosimandla7687]

Mfowethu siyabonga ngalenkulumo yenu kodwa ifingqwe kakhulu. Ngicela uhlale nalendoda i hora nixoxa nje i topic eyodwa. Noma ke kungaqala ku part 1 kuye ku part 10 ngoba kuningi okukulendoda. Uma nje ningakhuluma nge vibration nithathe i hora lonke etc

[@derickfarnicky6062]

mbuso khoza is a walking library of ancient history and knowlegdge

[@nosiphomkhize9264]

😅I think 😢 that a source of his depression

[@fvckingjosh8297]

✅

[@manqobamahlangu215]

Yes but it's Mbuso Khoza. Please get it right next time. Danko!

[@goitseoneseleka4360]

Please bring Baba Khoza again what an episode Baba Khoza is extremely intelligent

[@faustinodomingos4986]

💯💯💯💯

[@zuzuh5755]

We need part 2,this was too short 😢. David Mashabela give guests time they want.

[@faustinodomingos4986]

@@zuzuh5755 true.we need to gather as much knowledge &wisdom from him while he is still alive.he is a living archives.grooved one time with penuele at soshanguve ko brian pub.was sitting with him.didnt know he is celebrity🤣🤣🤣💯💯

[@thobekankuna1524]

Please 😅

[@sabelomncwabe5818]

Thank you so much Penuel, we are learning about ourselves, spiritual health.. We can still save our nation 🙏

[@oohzulu]

If I had to vote for the interview of the year. I would hold this conversation high in the rankings for 2024. Great show Pen!

[@vusikhumalo3810]

My guy 🎉

[@jabulilenkosi9617]

The should be votes of best interviews you know and I’m with you on that vote ❤

[@ndabenhleshazi6539]

I concur

[@luckynxumalo4837]

This is not an interview, it's lecture of a highest order!

[@malumskhulu]

For someone who doesn't have formal education, uBab' Mbuso is a well of knowledge. Yeses, ngifunde lukhulu kule episode. May God continue to bless you all. Free Education on this podcast. I must become a paying member.

[@queentladi8238]

African knowledge is soo formal, it makes the modern formal education so informal and inferior 😊

[@sbongamandlamwelase7559]

I was asking myself how on earth this show ain't got sponsors. But now i see why, anything that builds black people either culturally or politically , will on obviously not get the lime light. Damn Penuel is just an exceptional teacher

[@nomsanhlabathi4599]

Europe made us believe that without their opinions of the world “ education “ we are nothing… In actual truth we as blacks are naturally smart but we were made to believe we are dumb,and so we believe it😢

[@Zamanda333]

​@@nomsanhlabathi4599💯🤝

[@salgshaka4483]

Nas says it better,, "we were scholars before Colleges" True knowledge or wisdom❤

[@joyfulncube1497]

We need to give Penuel his flowers. He knows how to ask questions and he structures them so well. I am amazed

[@sibonelohashtag]

Without a doubt

[@user-ze4rw6eg3k]

Very true

[@isaacmashego4857]

He asked a lot of good questions.

[@user-ze4rw6eg3k]

And educational too❤

[@happynessmbatha5097]

Ability to move at the pace kaBab'Khoza. Thats amazing, its rare for ppl to understand gifted ppl .

[@libraman4202]

The respect that Penuel shows towards Bhut' Mbuso

[@Thek53guru]

Yoh! I feel like a thief watching this and learning so much without paying anything. Wow! What an episode😱

[@fortunemashiane721]

Fork Maan😂😂

[@marcuskhumalo228]

Truth

[@tiyangnzima306]

Premium content

[@innocentmashaba9925]

👊👊

[@ndabenhleshazi6539]

Mfethu

[@iNdodanaKaMakhoba]

The fact that Shaka Zulu was "lightskined" is still processing slowly 😮‍💨

[@reversewithpoetry4175]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Codename_deephousejunkie]

The most aggressive of us are light skinned. Sikhule silwa. Silwela ibala elenza ngathi si weak

[@captain.tell.me.hoe.]

​@@Codename_deephousejunkieayikho leyonto 😂😂😂 usuka k'siphi isgodi? . . .

[@Ntombelar4sure-db2yl]

Impela they say Shaka was not dark in complexion even uMntwana wakwaPhindangene the King that was dark in complexion was iSilo sas'Ondini King Cetshwayo.

[@mthunzimhlongo660]

Yep my grandfather once said that and i laughed at him. And now i truly believe it

[@user-uk8hh8gb4c]

Ubaba umbuso is such an amazing human nje, watching him is like BIG! his legendary. Huge thinker ❤🔥🔥🔥

[@godpenuel]

APOLOGIES: Due to a technical glitch, the episode meant to drop tomorrow morning at 9am was released at midnight on the 6/7th of April 2024. We have decided to leave it to flight, and apologize for the disruption in your regular viewing. We shall fix this moving forward. Thank you for your constant support & please enjoy the episode. 🙏🏽❤️

[@ntokozolizwimkhize8340]

All good, it gives a person like me to watch it again because eerrrr i was lost in so many things. The wealth of knowledge shared here you can't grasp instantly.

[@HBMNkosi-iu8sy]

You need to release more , this was a nice blessing in disguise

[@sizwemsilora9553]

Thanks for clarity Penuel... I thought you air everyday now... But will go through this one as I have cleared my calendar for 9 am... Dankie Penuel...

[@lesanotokelo]

keep on awakening us Pen

[@cromwelgcina9707]

Thanks God for that mistake coz I thing it's good for business chances on Sunday there are more people at home which will translate to more viewership.

[@KagisoTiroMoimaBlackmotionSA]

This was a master class in both Music and History, Khoza Omuhle. Thanks Penuel.

[@siya.mbanga]

Loved this conversation Bab' Khoza. He is basically saying, Life is simple, respect nature and it will respect you back.

[@Nonginzianam]

What uBab'uKhoza is saying about vibrations and 433 Hz frequency is similar to what Terrence Howard has been speaking on. This thing of Vibrations really needs some serious attention.

[@pri_ncessbuttercup]

Hey can you please try to explain it further I didn't quite understand fully when uBab' Khoza explained it

[@thabisokevinmbili9158]

I was also watching that video. Powerful

[@lehlagaremogadime7494]

Long story short, adapt and be versatile. We give thanks to Ntate Khoza and Penuel for inviting him.

[@KhayaVlogs]

“Words can be morphed around by the cause of events, but energy can never change!” Factsssss

[@SiphokaziPutini]

What a man, a treasure, truth seeker and knowledge speaker. Siyakuhlonipha bab'uKhoza. Siyabonga

[@bulelanimama1961]

Mr Khoza needs to write books about his thoughts. This is because his conceptions are deep. They need to be digested and analysed and developed.

[@MusingoConstruction]

"Many people go to university to call things names" Mbuso Khoza

[@irenenemavhola761]

❤

[@sakhiledlamini3783]

Mr Khoza just spoke of his Mom and the Lightning sound had high frequency.It means his Mom was present in the conversation,some people are spiritually strong.

[@ThandiShabalala]

Ingthusile le interview tjooo, The Universe is pleased with it coz ubuloke ubuya nje uziveza.

[@vusiradebe5737]

I'm glad to have lived in this generation of such greatness, with so much wisdom. izandla zindlulikhanda.

[@sophisticatedimmigrant3912]

Yabona after watching this episode all of us should just walk into any university and get a degree. We’ve been schooled and graduated.

[@mabutibebula6290]

This honourable man made me cry.... Penuel.Am a xhosa guy frm Uitenhage nd when i was raised by both my parents nd we were jst ok not well off but jst ok. I stayed in Joburg at some point nd i know most places he is talking about. Nd yes am frm the musical family. Thank BabKhoza for such rich insight. Plz come again

[@angelamzalisi2102]

Came here because my husband watched this interview TWICE😅

[@PCWP]

I’ll definitely watch it more than twice

[@samshabza2073]

Ur family is blessed. Keep following your husband's wisdom.

[@robinelliot5003]

I think Hendry Cele was born to play the role of Shaka. It's almost impossible to separate the two. For the first time, I have to imagine him as someone else.

[@user-pf2dr2du4c]

If you think that then you have caged your mind to be less limited.

[@blinkym21]

Speaking in vernacular should never be followed by an apology ever… looking forward to this conversation💫.

[@SamuelKhama]

Dear Penuel, as somebody who often constructively criticises about intererupting your guests, i must say im am very proud of how you handled this interview, a great one it was thank you🤛

[@QueenKunene]

Thanks Penuel we need such talks as black people , this can heal us ❤

[@kholekatyatyeka4527]

Mr Khoza,you're a treasure of our black children, very brilliant,so gifted.

[@MaximumMax]

Our history being documented, the wisdom indeed need to be passed on. Sibonge bab'Khoza.

[@karlgwambe8860]

Just finished watching this episode. I was hesitant to watch it today, thinking my weekly ritual of listening to the show as I’m doing my weekly chores on Monday would be interrupted. Thankfully my eagerness overcame me. For this, I feel my time wasn’t spent, but was invested. Penuel, I requested, on X some time ago via DM, that you do an episode with Mbuso Khoza to hear his comprehensive divulsion of what’s commonly referred to as black culture. So, I’m not sure if I’m the reason for his inclusion as a guest on the show😅. I’ll take the credit though. To be serious, thank you for this. Thank you for allowing him to be lost in his tangents of thoughts. This is the equivalent to listening to an account of family history as told by a grandparent. Thank you!

[@mlungisimthembu8335]

This is up there with best episodes. Mbuso Khoza must come here often. Pen I like how you brought him back to topic each time you guys digressed. Keep this up.

[@grantbradshaw7907]

Good that you interviewing such a man on Zulu culture We all have a love for King Shaka and all the Zulu history and culture

[@vusikhumalo3810]

One of my best interviews. I loved him on Umkhokha and everyone in the house knew how much he impressed me with his voice and mannerisms, he portrayed the character in an amazing way. And then this❤

[@viewsfromsouthafrica12]

I've been listening for an hour now all I can say is Penuel this will end up being a Classic..Sifundile ❤

[@ephraimmotho887]

I am so happy with this podcast. The quality of the guests is 💯

[@mdumkhize6296]

Bab' uMbuso Khoza uyingqwele, what an enlightening conversation and thanks Penuel for such an amazing interview.

[@ntokozothungo3914]

I respect ubabu Khoza he is one of the legends we have in this country. Big Penuel for bringing this legend.

[@ayandabanks2872]

Zul'el'phezulu! Mnini-mandla-onke! Izizwe z'yakhothama phambi kwakho. Wena owazi... Isiqalo nesiphetho. Izintuthwane zidumisa zibabaza ubukhulu bakho, Zithi Bayede!!! Bayede wena owadala lelizulu nomhlaba! O singaba yini, ngaphandle kwakho?! Became my morning prayer since 2019. Siyabonga Mkhathini! 🙌🏾

[@nhlanhlangema127]

First time seeing Penuel so intune just sitting absorbing all this information from Bab Khoza, one of thee best podcast🙏🏽

[@leratozulu5649]

I loved him from his presence when I first saw him...now hearing him in person I am ecstatic....❤❤❤❤❤

[@sbusibiya8973]

I've enjoyed all of the interview. The 2 hours and 32 minutes seems so short. Masterclass interview. Legendary Mbuso Khoza 👍 👌 👍 👏 👏

[@user-ux3xv7du7f]

Mlotshwa, ngikuthandani!!!!❤ Thanks Penuel for bringing this legend on my couch. 🙏🇿🇦

[@NdikhayeNetshiozwi]

thanks for Giving a Mention to My Beloved Friend and neighbour, Mbuso Ndlovu! He is a teacher of music and a traditional man who really hungers to connect young people to their roots through Music and dance. the Two Mbusos will make magic when they meet.

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

I’ve never seen black pen so calm n down to earth while talking to the guest,I think u met a mankind today🫵🏼

[@zintlesolani8832]

I am that I am. I have been waiting to hear this from a person with the same skin as me. This 'identity' thing is the one that is holding us back from expanding our consciousness. When you remove your name and surname. Who are you? Dope conversation. I could listen to Mr. Khoza all day. So impactful 😊❤

[@abelkhosa5149]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 can we have Dr Mbuso Khoza again pleaaaaassseeee

[@thamsanqangxikimane6086]

Meta and matter 🙆🙆 we need more of this from uBhuti Mbuso🤝

[@Funeral1000]

That Mama Jack Song is my favourite thank you Pen for this great guest may the God in you bless you.

[@nonhlanhlah]

Now this Respectable Beautiful Human i would love to meet,what an amazing person we share this s world with ,his brain a work of what we perceive as Godly him.what an awesome show it was an to have him .loved it❤

[@MandlaMakhombothi-xl1hp]

A Farmer of thought, a Pan-Africanist, a son of the soil, an African,a fountain of African wisdom!! Mbuso Khoza is a great son of Africa. Very great insight from this wonderful man.

[@fanelesibongemthethwa153]

Pen yazi back then I could listen to your podcasts and multitask. Yooh I just can't seem to do that. That should tell you how impactful your platform is. God Bless You Brother

[@ThaboButhelezi-qm6td]

Thank you Pen and your guest for this amazing episode. How I wish South African History could be corrected and made mandatory in schools.

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

Yoooyooo this guy is so real so organic I can listen to him for days❤

[@zoemystique7773]

African spirituality ❤ has huge influence on African culture. Interchangeable at most instances. Its absolutely beautiful to have discovered this while im still young. To know my roots has grounded me deeply. ❤❤❤

[@sonkeabat9073]

Amazing. That's what this episode was. Learned si much and we definitely need Bab Khoza back. He is a GREAT mind

[@christopherncube7463]

Ubab' Khoza is a fountain of knowledge indeed,there is history and spirituality all in one,and just the way he is so fluent for someone qith no formal education says a lot about him as a person nje

[@siphosibeko3398]

I was introduced to Mbuso Khoza by the track he did with Revolution (twins), I have been a fan ever since

[@lebotsiane2507]

Wow......this is new information 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@ConfusedForest-ye1dn]

Babu Mbuso is a music genius and we are so blessed to have him..... Everything about him is real no filters 100% masterpiece

[@mbongenibaldwin7294]

nearly forgot S/O to the videographers and the production team for producing such quality pictures, we don't just enjoy we hear but also what we see

[@anelissamongoe6427]

I love this entire conversation. This is one for my archives.

[@therevivaltv4256]

They shot while there was a storm ⛈️ and never did they care - men!

[@sbudashap]

Can’t wait for this genius 🥺

[@odette.p.shongwe8408]

Great Topics..we thank you bab Mbuso. I always honor the saying "Knowledge is in our DNA"..u are living proof Baba.keep educating us#Love❤❤FromMbombela

[@kenanawochristophermashupy4281]

This Man is super smart. His a moving library and encyclopedia

[@sibisivusi7352]

Awwuuu! Penual and Baba khoza share a clan name Mlotshwa... thank you for bringing the Elder Mkhathini!

[@kimberkhoza6558]

Mlilo

[@NBiyelaCapital]

This is the GOAT episode

[@KamCoder]

With so much Information, a person should get used to being invited into different thoughts every now and then. This time, I need more time to think about watching this Episode till the end because watching feels like rewiring the knowledge I possess for life. The conversa is too deep to consume without a proper mind preparation. I am going to save this one for a day I'm prepared to take it all in one go. I am now on 1hour and my mind is burning. It is a pity how South African History is so hidden from an ordinary Citizen of today. How are we going to lay a foundation where the next generations can find True History of Africa as a whole. Thanks Penuel and Ubaba Mbuso Khoza for bringing a whole new perspective to the picture about the Nguni Nation and it's people. My second comment will follow after I've watched the whole Episode which will definitely be a day or two maximum from today. I get excited when I meet new Information about our History.

[@karabomadia2783]

Wow I would listen to Mbuso Khoza everyday especially on matters of the Spiritual Awakening.

[@Duzie37]

Beautiful! Absolutely beautiful I will have to listen to the interview again. What an interview Mr Khoza

[@user-rf3jh4rw9r]

lol this man has taken the blue pill, he knows too much, do we have to realize so much about nature...

[@mancobamahlalela605]

Babe Khoza dropping Bars over here.

[@wandilevilakati5455]

Penuel, your creativity in preluding a Question is just beyond human imagination..................keep it up my brother....

[@mnqobicyprian4590]

What an education episode, at first I thought I will fast forward but I found myself watching the whole episode with focus... Thank you baba khoza ❤

[@user-km3gr3ni4o]

Best interview postcast at the moment Mbuso Khoza ✊️✊️✊️✊️

[@ShakerComedyChannel]

Beautiful interview, I wish he could explain more the story of Shaka without diverting and also the history of surnames

[@user-ig5fs6kj5r]

He is truly a treasure! I admire his sapience

[@nothandonxumalo4460]

i need to listen to the first hour again and again this man is just to deep and i like it

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

Me too Sunday afternoon phenda mzala better than watching soccer the whole afternoon 😂

[@MandysDiaries]

I've learnt more from this conversation than and book I've ever read.

[@ntombikayisemngomezuludina9423]

Panuel, this must be one of The best interviews I have ever watched. Absolutely loved it ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Umalum_bhastedii]

This might be my 3 favourite 1. Joshua maponga 2. Vusi thembekwayo

[@bonginkosimunyai1153]

With you on that one

[@MsMousy82]

Thats crazy!!!! I barely get through long interviews but those 3 specifically are the ones I did.😊

[@skhalala5333]

We now need zibusiso mkhwanazi

[@bonnysimelane5703]

What about Mr Madondo?

[@gordenmphulomolebale8335]

A treasure indeed,if never come across such knowledge no degree or formal education❤

[@Homeboy8686]

WOW!!! One of the most insightful podcast episodes I've watched. The depth, knowledge and perspective of BabKhoza is so inspiring. I've never been so invested in a podcast and wished it didn't end. Definitely need a Part 2

[@nonameinsouthafrica3315]

I knew before listening that I will listen to this interview entirely

[@thami4036]

ubhuti Mbuso inesipho esengaphezu kokucabanga kwethu.... I have watched this episode twice and I'm blown away.

[@abtshoni]

This was a great conversation. I love how utata Umbuso marriages inkolo with science, he can literally navigate through both in a very seamless manner. Sifunda lukhulu, enkosi.

[@simyolisemnamata1]

Mr Khoza Mbuso, you are very special sir.what an mesmerising episode😃

[@katlegomahloko8925]

Bab Khoza knowledge of life 🧬 is out of this world ❤

[@Malokani]

First time we have absolutely nothing negative to say about Panuel. I appreciate this❤

[@scelondlovu3518]

Your guest selection Penuel show you are one of the smartest leaders we need in SA. May you grow old my brother and lead this black nation. Your spirit will live forever✊. Thank you for the show

[@KamCoder]

I couldn't wait for a day or two so I just decided to go through the Episode. I should say that, I do not regret doing so. Most especially when the convo went into music and frequencies. As creatives, the stories we tell through music really comes from the hardships we experience in life. I used to wonder why I compose my music only when I'm hurt or sad, but this today, I got a hint, Thanks to this Episode. Malebo a itshwanela le madume, ha a fele. Thank you once more for the great show, Mr Mlotshwa and Mr Khoza.

[@TSFxCapMgt]

Knowledge is power. A Zulu man with power. One the best episodes from this channel. Keep up the good work. Quality over quantity. We need him and Joshua to sit down, it's very important.

[@jaylip_trends]

This was the Best Interview I've ever came across in my entire life

[@Cairo96]

Who is here ebusuku,me yo!!!

[@sphanationsphanation2426]

Sisonke

[@NonhlanhlaMotsa]

Wow i am humbled to learn so much. I have had so many questions Bab Mbuso has so graciously shared. Siyabonga🙏🏾

[@uMsubathi]

The problem with this thing if the “past & the future” is that it is transported by the present 👊🏽 great podcast guys

[@siyandamasala1136]

Man this guys story touched me. His eloquence and sense of self is so vast that you would listen to him for hours. I wish he can go on and touch other people's lives so they can create a better future for themselves. I am nowhere near where I want to be but he planted a seed of belief in me, that sometimes in the midst of termoil, a great discovery or manisfestation can arise. I thank him for putting his hand up and raising these points and also big up to Pen and the rest of the crew for giving a platform to such profound individuals.

[@nonameinsouthafrica3315]

This guy is a genius. If you can let him talk, he drifts into different topics and can talk for 2 days about everything. He sounds a lot like Kanye West.