6 NEW Changes in Ableton Live 12 | An Update We Needed

An update to Live 12.1 brings lots of new devices and some quality of DAW-life updates too!
Timeline:
0:00 - Intro
0:34 - Auto Shift
2:56 - New Sampler
4:11 - Limiter
5:06 - Saturator
6:00 - Auto Tagging
6:15 - Midi Editor Search
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[@WillHatton]

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[@TierHarribel]

2:10 That was the most horrendous thing I've ever heard, LMAO

[@WillHatton]

@@TierHarribel nightmare fuel 😂

[@paolosimonetti909]

Amazing stuff from ableton here, I still really wish they would add a Dynamic mode for eq eight!

[@ckatheman]

Ableton is only missing a built in stem separator, MIDI 2.0 full support at this point. Love it! I would say the auto-shift makes up for not having ARA - but would like to see a Melodyne like grid editor for it.

[@heartbeatbillionaire]

Agree, stem separation not being included seems crazy

[@EglintonAve]

Looking forward to learning more about the drum sampler. Stem separation would ultimately be the killer feature.

[@dddvision]

If they knew it was coming, that Saturator might have played a role in iZotope’s quick rollout of the new Trash. I like Trash, but Saturator can pretty much do the same thing now.

[@snoopyoverthehills]

amazing update!

[@Ambrosia2830]

Wow that was quick, I got the email too. I think they did it in response to FL Studio releasing FL 24, but they have still been pretty behind honestly because FL got a lot of plugins from reputed companies with FL Cloud like baby audio, melda, etc. They also got CLAP support, 1 new synth, 2 new effects, cloud mastering and so forth. Excluding already awesome things like stem separation and so forth. They are updating a lot more often than ableton and of course they are also doing it for free, I hope this puts some pressure on ableton to do better because they seem to be losing a lot of steam.

[@WillHatton]

I feel like it's similar to the Instagram/Tiktok battle. One platform just trying to stay ahead of the other, when one releases a filter the other releases a filter AND longer recording times for stories... Ableton is totally doing that with the other DAWs in mind. Oh, everyone has Auto-Tune, well did you know we can do x, y, z unlike other DAWs (knowing most users probably use 3rd party tuners) adding this minor change finally puts a nail in the coffin for truly best DAW out the box.

[@vinylarchaeologist]

@@WillHatton So you guys actually think that Ableton saw FL release FL24 and then whipped up a whole bunch of new features, including an Autotune effect, within a single day? Wow, those Ableton coders must be the fastest around!

[@WillHatton]

@@vinylarchaeologist I think it would be ridiculous to think that but companies share their patch notes internally months / years before progress starts. It would be easy for each of the members to know exactly what’s coming down the pipe. Even as a “KZbin Producer” I hear about new releases and updates all the time through brands, sponsors, engineers or other producers. My point was more on the fact that Logic and other DAWs have had a built in auto-tune for time, Ableton doesn’t exclusively look at FL as it’s competition but the market, if a free programme like BandLab has auto-tune built in, Ableton probably should too.

[@vinylarchaeologist]

@@WillHatton Thank you for your thoughful response. I must admit, I'm always a bit dumbfounded at many people's impatience with Ableton, "add this, add that, faster, faster". Wouldn't people rather give Ableton the chance to actually *refine* a feature before they bring it to market, have it actually be good, well thought-out, and resource-efficient? Thankfully, Ableton is a German company, where clocks are ticking a bit differently, so they seem to like to take their time - and I applaud them for that.

[@castielvargastv7931]

I am not interested in any of the things you listed and i dont like fl either. No ableton user would use clunky fl

[@lalolanda2239]

thank you for sharing this info !

[@WillHatton]

My pleasure, thanks for watching!

[@DJ_MARIANO]

amazing update

[@graysonvandenbrink1317]

Saturator updates are dope!

[@damiantaylor896]

Thanks for this Will, super excited to check them out. MIDI search looks brilliant!

[@itsmenishant]

Loved it, thanks!

[@WillHatton]

@@itsmenishant thank you!

[@SherikaSherard]

Very excited to try out Auto-shift live!

[@WillHatton]

Very impressed with it so far!

[@guntimusic]

this is huge! the color curve is on the saturator is crazy!

[@WillHatton]

Right!? Geeking out on it!

[@amado7760]

Perfect timing Will :)

[@WillHatton]

Thanks bud!

[@ClintMoody]

You missed one of these new features; an undo history list!

[@WillHatton]

@@ClintMoody I also didn’t talk about updates to push 🤷🏻‍♂️ 😘

[@AlbinKottaram]

lets gooo! the drum sampler looks great!

[@ayushdebbarma7585]

the new midi editor looks sick!

[@WillHatton]

Very helpful, I think!

[@StermaPerma]

Please do you know if this means a pdf of the manual is coming? I hate using the website, I want to highlight my manual!!

[@BankThatchaphol]

finally it come 🤩

[@WillHatton]

@@BankThatchaphol the prophecy was right!!!

[@KordTaylor]

It does look like a nice upgrade! 👏🏻

[@AndyParka]

I was shocked at how well thought out the drum sampler is. A built in auto tune is also amazing!

[@DJeMo]

Lush, nice one thanks 👊

[@WillHatton]

@@DJeMo happy to help!

[@user-hu5gb6wn9f]

Live 12 brought the mixer to arrangement view and now auto tune, I’m good from here on in.

[@NOEL-004]

4:08 because he said there is a second effect in the velocity tab (there is not) fx 1 is the fx setting on the left fx 2 is the fx setting on the right great compact video😎

[@reecemcnaughten4160]

Hell yeah I was waiting for this to come along

[@dino_not_dyno]

that autotune sounds hella artifact-y

[@adammercysystem6450]

These are really good updates. I dunno about everyone else but id like to see and update to EQ8? Theres a really cool adaptive EQ in the hybrid reverb. They could implement something like that!

[@DVBAS]

Color Bass producers are going to have a field day with these.

[@francisjohnluke]

man lalal is great but i really hope we get built in stem separation soon :X

[@WillHatton]

@@francisjohnluke it would be a game changer

[@saintrumi]

That new sampler seems very OP-1 inspired! I dig it!!

[@Rola02]

FL has been killing it with the updates, i hope Ableton steps it up a little :D

[@billysanchez-eh6nn]

fl just makes the cheapest unintelligent updates while ableton just do classy subtle and actually useful stuff , what is something that is actually useful and unique that fl has dropped lol

[@jimmygonyea9752]

Burnnnn. Booo fl

[@machinemademan]

YES. i was literally mad when i bought the 12 upgrade it crashes and was just an update 11 could have had. i dont really use autotune but might be cool for samples and drums

[@WillHatton]

@@machinemademan going to have a look into the auto tune to see if there’s other cool uses for it - WATCH THIS SPACE CAPTAIN!

[@iliravdyli4109]

Now that they drop autotune im 100% sure that they bring their own melodyne with ara2 next!

[@Anthrazit1994]

I Hope you‘re Right

[@meru_lpz]

If they made an integrated pitch correction, why would they implement with ARA2? I thought ARA was an interface to interact with third party software 🤔 (like VST)

[@Anthrazit1994]

@@meru_lpz for things Like VocalAlign or GainAim Pro

[@bolttracks]

For taking them so long, Auto Shift has to be the most artifact-y pitch correction I've ever heard

[@Byron101_]

yes. It sounds very bad... this algorithm is not good enough. I tested it.

[@sebbosebbo9794]

I think its typical more a LIVE low latency fx Device strategy maybe they can add another Algo/ modes in the future.

[@TastySwift]

@@Byron101_really? haven’t tried it, is it a lot worse than Antares?

[@PeranMe]

It sounds a little like Yamaha’s Pitch Fix to me…

[@silentcxbin]

@@sebbosebbo9794true but waves tune sounds better with 0 latency soo

[@sebbosebbo9794]

Fruity loops stamp forward with a massiv free update and its amazing too... the Eq'$, stem seper. features alone are so amazing..Bitwig too... Hope so much Ableton can push up the limits of the vanilla devices old Instruments( UI-GUi/ dev.features) fx audio/midi devices & midi clip view live perf.features.. (feat./ perform./ GUI updates)

[@remyvegamedia]

Damn I pretty much never use autotune, but that midi control function is pretty cool honestly and I think I'm gonna use that haha. Drum sampler is gonna be great for breaks and a bunch of other stuff. The Limiter update is EXCITING. The Limiter seems to be SO much better 😳 Saturator sounds even better than before. Macro mapping and grouping for Push is awesome. Splitting clips in clip view... HYPED!

[@WillHatton]

@@remyvegamedia HYPED!!!

[@ArtisticFlavours]

대박~!!

[@mariabr8954]

can you make a video about how to use limiters? (it's pretty beginner I know but you teach so well)

[@WillHatton]

@@mariabr8954 I’m sure you’re not alone there!!

[@josealejandrogarciarojas1115]

Sounds cool!

[@elchorepunk]

These are all awesome features, but the one I'm most excited about is browser coming to Push 3 (finally!!)

[@drewlarmusic]

Ableton is hands down one of the best pieces of software ever created.

[@Byron101_]

Nope. Bitwig is better I must say.

[@kimiuk]

okay damn i might need to upgrade to 12, stock auto tune finally!!

[@WillHatton]

@@kimiuk right!? About time!

[@tonybeatbutcher]

You guys know they had already AutoTune in M4L, this one is more powerful, doh.

[@thetylersherman]

Will, nice summary here. Excited to see these changes come through on the future update. In "Live" mode on Auto Shift, are we looking at 0ms latency as we see with many other native Live effects?

[@WillHatton]

@@thetylersherman it’s looking that way in the beta, yes bud!

[@sarkany888]

@@WillHatton big if true, Nectar does it with like +50ms

[@thetylersherman]

That's awesome. Even AT Pro in live mode is running me 3-5 ms. I've been hunting for plugins that will let me run a near zero monitoring chain for tracking. I have yet to find an 1176 style or LA-2A compression that runs under 5ms so every plugin counts!

[@mariabr8954]

once they add stem separation it's over XD

[@ilandzmusic7848]

Did they fix the shortcut for dropping full scales for chords and bass lines

[@Alexander-Tkachenko]

Please tell me, when switching to another track, the open windows of each track are switched with it, how to leave the Pro Q3 window open on the master and at the same time work with other tracks?

[@WillHatton]

@@Alexander-Tkachenko you can edit this when creating an options.txt file! It’s basically like “hacking” Ableton. Search “options.txt to edit Ableton” or my first “Ableton Secrets” video!

[@Alexander-Tkachenko]

@@WillHatton Thank you very much, this is why I left for Cubase.

[@maco34576]

my computers GPU is horny af watching the autoshift

[@anonymousbrowser4448]

Can you use multiple fx on the sampler?

[@WillHatton]

@@anonymousbrowser4448 up to two with the built in FX (obvs you can apply as many after that as you want inside the chain)

[@cesarbarbosa4109]

Update i need is to allow you to map your own shortcuts.

[@WillHatton]

@@cesarbarbosa4109 CMD+K

[@PoboyMusic]

Global groove pool too

[@WillHatton]

@@PoboyMusic yessir!

[@PeranMe]

Sorry, not trying to be funny, but hasn’t the groove pool always been global? What am I missing? Thanks in advance!

[@PoboyMusic]

@@PeranMe no you would need to manually put it on each clip afaik

[@PeranMe]

@@PoboyMusic Ah, you mean like that! My bad, I misunderstood. Thanks for setting me right!

[@Paradroidx]

wish they would put the mixer arrows back to the right side ffs, and simplify those damn midi generators.

[@sionicwasp]

I auto downloaded but the new things arent showing up in Ableton 😞 is there a different process for beta content?

[@MULTIMAN-MUSIC]

The beta version is completely different to the alpha release. You must be part of the beta program to have access to this new features but like he said, they probably will be released pretty soon now.

[@alion99999]

They still did add a key analyzer to the sampler 😩

[@musicatkhush]

Goodbye Antares.

[@NewCreation_Beats]

Bruh I literally just bought Antares auto tune a month ago because ableton didn’t have one 😭

[@WillHatton]

@@NewCreation_Beats I feel you bud!

[@visual_chris]

I think I'll finally switch to ableton if they add stem separation before ableton 13

[@WillHatton]

@@visual_chris it’s got to be on the cards, surely!?

[@visual_chris]

@@WillHatton hope so ..

[@UnicornWaves]

I still don’t have update. Why?

[@ELXR_AUDIO]

it’s beta still

[@justinjones2595]

Now, if they would just pay attention to us Push 3 standalone users….

[@WillHatton]

They actually integrated lots of Push 2 and 3 updates which I can imagine will be followed with updates to stand alone too. Copy & pasted below... "Live 12.1 comes with a host of updates to Push. With Push 2 and 3 you can now design sounds with more detail and control by mapping Macros, and experiment with a range of different sounds using Macro Variations. Push 3 now also lets you add groove instantly to all the MIDI clips in your Set with a single twist of an encoder. The new update brings Live 12’s filtering system to the browser on Push 2 and 3, as well as auto-tagging for samples on Push 3 standalone. Plus, you can now save Default Sets and Template Sets on Push 2 and 3, and organize your Sets by moving tracks and scenes."

[@benwunderlich-pk5cu]

Why would anyone do this to themselves anyway?

[@WillHatton]

@@benwunderlich-pk5cu ??

[@justinjones2595]

@@WillHatton Good to see that! I just saw those updates for Push 3!! ❤

[@crowkangi]

nah, make push 2 better!

[@Lucas-jz5vj]

Does Autoshift work with different tuning systems as well?

[@notnoaintno5134]

Holy shit it would be amazing if it did. I make microtonal music, and ive been wanting a tuning pitch shifter for forever. The only vsts i know that do it are the most expensive version of antares autotune, and melodyne

[@Lucas-jz5vj]

@@notnoaintno5134 I think I found an answer from this article: cdm.link/2024/07/ableton-live-12-1/ It seems you can in fact use it with different tuning systems. And it is mpe-enabled so you could technically even slide the notes to different pitches with midi input. You could even shift your audio from one chord to another seemlessly I believe. I hope that that is the case because that'd be really cool.

[@AnkitWP]

Do we still need to keep our eyes on plugin latency compensation in Ableton? Or is it fixed and works flawlessly?

[@PeranMe]

As I understand it, that was fixed in v12.0, altho I’m not sure if there are still a few hoops to jump thru. 99% sure v12.0 improved the situation tho!

[@AnkitWP]

@@PeranMe thanks

[@eross21]

are these for all the abelton levels? or just the top tier ?

[@josealejandrogarciarojas1115]

For all as far as I know

[@Paradroidx]

NOICE

[@Kytesonthetrack]

Bout time

[@WillHatton]

@@Kytesonthetrack tell me about it!!!

[@maricorp.449]

bruh when did they remove the hold CTRL+Z to undo multiple times feature

[@WillHatton]

@@maricorp.449 I haven’t noticed that?

[@maricorp.449]

@WillHatton yeah my ableton 11 holding undo works fine but not in 12. Idk what's going on

[@raycharlestothebs]

I bought an autotune for $45 dollars 2 days ago -_-

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

When I saw the email about pitch correction i thought we were gonna get like the piano roll sort of thing not a nicer looking version of the crappy M4L plugin we had for ages that is all but unusable

[@almazmusic]

Tell me, why we are discussing some stock plug-ins instead of the DAW itself?

[@vodkastudios4170]

what exactly about the daw do you want to discuss?

[@WillHatton]

@@almazmusic you start! I’m all ears

[@almazmusic]

​@@WillHatton nothing new to say, it's a common issue for almost any major DAW now. Minor release - a bunch of plugins. Major release - a bunch of plugins and small tweaks.

[@almazmusic]

@@WillHatton so yeah, the problem is not in you :) Nice and quick review.

[@me3tthebeat]

​@@almazmusic please correct me if i misunderstood you: You are unhappy that technology is still advancing (although slower than what you wished for) even though we are at the most advanced point we've ever been in music production? ANYTHING we get is already a profit my friend, be patient. The plugins and the daw really matter little if you know what you want to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@thomsonhomson]

that means ABLETON LIVE 13 IS COMING SOON, LETS GOOO!! 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@cazalorganism7020]

Not necessarily. Each .1 update tends to add new devices & workflow improvements through Ableton’s history. We could see new things added to versions 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 12.4 etc.

[@RP14_Music]

@@cazalorganism7020 i think hes jokng 12 just came out a few months ago lol

[@superdarkwrld]

12 just dropped 😭

[@MartianMoon]

What are you talking about lol this is 12.1 & 12 only dropped fairly recently, we won't have (or need) a new major version for years

[@DJHard2Def]

We will have GTA6 before we get ARA Support 😂😂

[@nonyabuiz2023]

Reason 13 just came out. Check it out. It’s sweet

[@WillHatton]

@@nonyabuiz2023 will do

[@Byron101_]

erm...Auto Shift and Drum Sampler sound not good.... Very bad algorithm. I've tested it.

[@sylgar45]

So they made an easier way to make your vocal sound shit? Great haha.

[@WillHatton]

@@sylgar45 that’s the spirit 🙌🏼

[@inspectorbudget]

Why do we celebrate f***ing auto tune??? That's why we have so many no talent singers out here. Tired of everything sounding so perfect in music today. You lose the human element. I miss the days when people could actually sing & had unique individuality in their voice. I understand using it as an effect but to use it to cover vocal deficiency does not foster excellence.

[@rvallozzi]

That vocal is terrible Jesus, use a different sample

[@Wild_D]

Switch to FL Studio

[@mariooomusic1]

Why?