Ian Harrison on Māori health and New Zealand's history curriculum

[@adrianvanniekerken-lp5oj]

By Maori for Maori health system should be paid for by Maori for Maori. Not by pakeha

[@mooselee902]

Maori land should be lived on by maori, not pakeha

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

I was told 2 days ago by a point of contact nurse at Chch Hill Morton Adult Mental Heath that it was a very good thing my severely mentally ill family member was Maori as they'd be moved up the queue for critical mental health care - They got the birth date wrong on this family member and mistook them for a Maori with the same surname ! ... This is beyond belief, I knew there was systemic racism in the NZ health system, but for it to be this blatant and applied to critical care mental health is criminal. They are now bending over backwards to be nice to me because I called out the nurse for making such a blatantly racist statement, she tried to weasel out of it, even using an emotive argument about how hard they work and how hard it is on them. I called her out on that as well and was then push up the chain for a call back from a manager who while helpful didn't once mention what had just occurred and would have been made well aware as the nurse was in total panic mode once shed realized how racist shed just been - I'm now stuck in a situation whereby I need to play along to get the family member urgent help and ignore for now the blatant racist policy Ive just encountered first hand in an emergency situation concerning a young persons life that is in imminent danger .... I'm absolutely disgusted !

[@annekevandenberg1635]

I guess that says it all. Lucky for your family member.

[@stuartlee4698]

The nurse did NOT make a blatantly racist statement if she was telling the truth and that Maori being prioritised is actually happening. You should be apologising to her .

[@deanwitt7903]

⁠@@stuartlee4698you miss the point . The nurse thought the family member was a Maori so she felt comfortable to say what she did . If she thought the patient was non Maori you can bet your boots she would have kept her mouth shut and kept that dirty little secret about Maori being priority to herself . But she didn’t and ended up shooting herself in the foot . By prioritising any race she is preaching racism . So NO he doesn’t owe anyone an apology . The whole Maori priority issue is getting more well known but it’s still something the health system will deny .

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

@@stuartlee4698 100% WRONG ... Firstly the nurse was quite excited to tell me my young family member could jump the queue for critical mental health care, she had zero feelings of empathy once her "dirty little secret" was found out, in fact she was more concerned about weaseling her way out the whole situation ! Facts are she thought she was looking at a Maori youth in critical care need and clearly stated they would get priority for critical care based on race which is not only completely inappropriate, but also racist and possibly illegal ... This is not over and the excuse you've just tried to pawn off on me holds ZERO weight.

[@josephl9619]

Yes, the 'all disparities are the result of racism' nonsense has to end. Its a grift

[@operatorsix6933]

just shows how far we have come as humans when we need to cry about skin color and demand boxes of tissues for free. and all this drama is costing lots of money.....some one is cleaning up.

[@Anonymouse405]

​@@operatorsix6933...jewdiciously!

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Don't mention the Jews.

[@michaelschmidt1101]

Interestingly, Māori are being given preferential entry into Medical Schools... so some Māori of less merit than those non-Māori are entering medical school and will come out the other side of medical school as 'qualified' but still less meritorious. And presumably these Māori are the spearhead of improving Māori health i.e., less capable doctors are theoretically driving better health outcomes of Māori How is that supposed to work?

[@operatorsix6933]

its not, and never will........its a nonstop money and asset grab, grab billions in funds and assets......and put on a cheap show that wont deliver. its business as usual. untill the next excuse to spend/pocket billions and even more assets and put on a show for peanuts...........public assets and money down the drain. people love it and vote for it,...over and over.

[@tctc8578]

Love the comment, crazy logic at work!

[@operatorsix6933]

@@tctc8578 did you see the interview with dr shane reti ?..i think thats how to spell it. he said with the billions we spend on it, the wait list is longer and the service is crap.....a complete waste of money and time.,....some one or group is pocketing a lot of $$$ and assets......

[@Anonymouse405]

...reverse psychomology! ☝️🥴

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Reverse what? Don't you mean psychology?

[@mjanny6330]

The irony of this conversation blaming "colonization" for shorter life expectancy for maori is that they only have the expectation of living past 65 because of colonization lol.

[@FRED-gx2qk]

Correct 🧐stone age folk and no gratitude

[@kumarapatch1234]

Eat healthy balanced diet regular exercise don't smoke and drink booze be active should live a good life

[@kumarapatch1234]

I'm 63 and in pretty good health always been active eat a good balanced diet and have a positive mind set

[@annekevandenberg1635]

It all comes down to choices. We all have the choice to have healthy habits in NZ. Everyones blood flows red.

[@robert3987]

What was the average Maori life expectancy before the white man arrived?

[@magamike1800]

Maori health authority is a waste for 500 million dollars.

[@tctc8578]

Does no one ever bring up that races have genetics that assist in life expectancy and longevity? Should white NZ’ers be given special assistance from Government Health agencies because Asian NZ’ers live longer? Where and when will this nonsense end! Cot case Aotearoa

[@michaelschmidt1101]

Smoking rates by Māori are higher than Asians, Caucasian and Pacifica... if they were in line with Caucasian smoking habits then the average Māori would live at least 2 years longer. As well, medication compliance among Māori is lower than Caucasians... I could go on but suffice to say that none of the prior reasons for shorter life expectancies have anything to do "institutional racism" or "colonialism" and all the usual causes claimed by "Progressives". Just addressing these two issues would narrow the life expectancy gap by almost 35%.

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Life expectancy in Ukraine is a bit dodgy right now...

[@FrightF]

the thing isss youre assuming those statistics are rigorous

[@michaelschmidt1101]

@@FrightF The statistics come from a Professor (Epidemiology) from AUT who gave a comprehensive talk about the topic at a recent Rotary meeting... I was impressed so I went home and did some of my own research which backed up what he was saying. So I am about as sure as I can be about the matter. Here is another nugget of information... on average, if you come from a single parent family then your average lifespan is a couple of years shorter... why this is I have some ideas but no data. However, I do know that single parent families are more common amongst certain racial groups than others e.g., on average Asians are two parent households and have a longer life expectancy... (I accept that correlation is not the same as causation...)

[@hamishwarren3278]

The data can not be correct unless you measure the amount of actual Maori blood 🩸 and what and how much non Maori blood 🩸 is in the people being tested or examined, considering there has not been a full blooded “Maori” alive for almost 60yrs.

[@operatorsix6933]

it wouldnt matter what the data is it will be skewed.......th reason, the scare, the act....the show. when you hand over billions of $$ and assets youl get the right answers even while it burns in the back ground.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

Good point

[@annekevandenberg1635]

All blood has red and white cells. Ebony and Ivory...

[@StGammon77]

​@maramadavis775lol

[@jackiebiggs7071]

@maramadavis775 she must be the 'Last Mohican'.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Its a Cindy conspiracy what a shock

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Cindy grew up in the Mormon Church/Cult. That's why NZ feels like it is becoming cult-like..."The govt is the only source of truth"...Yeah right!

[@matthewgrahame5331]

critical race theory is here in New Zealand, didn't take long. Facts don't care about your feelings

[@annekevandenberg1635]

That's a fact!

[@adriandocherty778]

U have no idea so u start using American terms!!🤦🏽‍♀️

[@andycy2226]

Actually it's more accurate to say that feelings don't care about facts.

[@matthewgrahame5331]

@adriandocherty778 actually, if one is observant enough and pay attention to the origin of progressive ideology, one learns appropriate vernacular so as to cut to heart of the argument. Sometimes, people like Peterson have already done the work for us.Makes it easier for those of us , aren't so

[@annekevandenberg1635]

NZ First handbrake off, Labour took the country full speed into division and hardship. Life expectancy mainly comes down to diet, exercise, habits, stress, and home and community environment. Faith is a factor for many and some of the native beliefs are quite dark and focus on death and the dead...Should be on life and the living.

[@edwardparsons5316]

I'd ask how much you know about Maori and indeed what knowledge base you draw from. The statements you make indicate some thoughts on the matter. I'm confused about what level of knowledge you have about your neighbours across from you the ones you have built a very high fence around. Twisted history to embrace a thought pattern of indifference. Why would anyone be convinced about your interest in the problem the situation or matters involved. Opinions abound shallow and tepid arrived regularly

[@Sam-lk6eo]

National was no better with the largest sell off of State Housing and population growth ever ! (Prior to Labour). They had the same amount of failed policies and inactivity to act on issues just like Labour, And also with the selloff of resouces on the down low.

[@iamnotarobot2378]

Superb interview and great final monologue Michael.

[@chriskiwi2601]

Very interesting interview Michael. Your summing up was bang on, 100%. Lots happened before 1840 that just never seem to get a mention these days.....perhaps for obvious reasons.

[@a.r.t.4611]

Shane Reti, (and he should know) has recently said; some of the reasons for poorer Maori and Pacifica health are cultural.

[@FrightF]

Yeah, in Maori society there is a expectation to give more than receive. To give when you have barely nothing to give. This is to anyone. Its different in the pasifika community.

[@FRED-gx2qk]

LETS GET THE HISTORY CORRECT FIRST🧐

[@annekevandenberg1635]

UN has got it wrong.

[@grantturnpenny200]

Thankyou for talking about NZ History!

[@broniabutler4166]

Very interesting research, blaming colonialism for every thing is farcical

[@annekevandenberg1635]

What about all the great things colonialism has done to make a great country many like gangs seem to take for granted?

[@mooselee902]

Aborigines have the same problems, native americans have the same problems, the blacks in south africa also. Maybe colonialism has a negative effect on people? When people like you talk I lose faith in humanity that little bit more.

[@broniabutler4166]

@@mooselee902 Read the words of Sir Apirana Ngata

[@FionaReid-c6m]

@@annekevandenberg1635 our system of colonial hatred gave us the gangs🙄

[@FionaReid-c6m]

@@annekevandenberg1635 widen your focus now, the white-collar criminal is taking BILLION$$ from OUR COUNTRY and setting a seriously bad example! Is there a balance to be sought here🤔

[@paulblyde2175]

I have mates of Maori descent, they go to the doctors, get medication then don't take it o throw it away. Then wonder why they aren't improving/ getting better. 🤦‍♂️🤯

[@andreatodd3095]

Some times its the best thing for some medications if you change your diet and lifestyle

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Side effects? They should see Doc again.

[@paulblyde2175]

Amazing people read words 👀that aren't there...don't see side effects written or hinted at in my comment . The people I initially refered to just think they know better but suffer consequences and then blame the Health system and government...no self responsibility. 🤦‍♂️🥱

[@andreatodd3095]

The blame game, very easy to do, " correlation" auguments don't always stack up. A "don't care about what I consume and how it affects me" attitude is an all race problem not just Maori so why have a separate health system for Maori. Makes no economic sense

[@operatorsix6933]

bingo.............BUT if your the one being handed billions and assets,...and putting on a horse and pony show,........... it all makes complete cents.

[@Anonymouse405]

I'll go a step further and say "maybe it's the greedy Pakeha in Maori that keeps them licking from the gravy train". But nah, greedy is just another low frequency choice 🤔

[@annekevandenberg1635]

All in the same boat, sorry, waka.

[@adriandocherty778]

Sounds like the same lies pakeha have always spewed!! U have never showed us any proof of what u lie about!!

[@dougbulldog9947]

​@adriandocherty778 Did you even listen to this interview? If the chip on your shoulder is blinding you from understanding the truth, backed up by factual evidence, then I suggest you visit a Maori mental health specialist, don't worry your won't have wait your turn in the cue, there should be English translations for you if you're not fluent in Reo, you may be eligible for a prezzy card too.

[@lawildman1]

Has anyone ever questioned the lifestyle some people live and also the fact that certain people have to be bribed to get inoculated,go to the doctors etc.always pull out the racist card when things don’t go their way.

[@mariag3605]

Inoculated? ... Well, you can't be talking about the most recent jab... That is proven to be non-sterilising = no inoculation!

[@lawildman1]

@@mariag3605 well you can add voting,census,to the things they need bribing for

[@rosshardy6223]

The crack issues been overlooked

[@mooselee902]

@@rosshardy6223 'both black and white are smokin crack tonight' - 2pac

[@druckerman247]

Why is longer life the arbiter of reason? Surely, quality of life is a better measure.

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Agree...Quality,not quantity.

[@denyswoodroffe490]

Our special people do have health issues, but a life style that has created this health problem. By dodging work, sitting around doing very little, having no energy to cook a healthy meal, or even know what a healthy meal is. Sit around day and night just watching T.V. Or playing screen games. All make for a major health problem. Mentally and physically. Leading to low self worth and high suicidal levels. Not only have they not been interested in learning how to fish. But foolish government have given them the boat and all. It is a self fuelled problem. This has lead to an extreme failure and on going cost to the country. Prohibiting the countries growth. Leading to an extreme shortage of funding for health, schooling and infrastructure etc.

[@operatorsix6933]

now why would the gov education SYSTEM.......rewrite the past?>>>> do tell. ( where is all the billions and assets going? ....),

[@kingfillins4117]

If you look at the government papers into addressing health outcomes for Maori it references the wide gambit of services and diseases etc. there is very little research in each area. So to back their claims they cite one paper or report for each area. In other words they don’t have the data/evidence to push their barrow. Yet this is how they set up the gravy train.

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good gravy-train!

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Forget grant robinson he's two tied up in this fiat economy we should be if you got the money buy gold word from a wise man grass hopper

[@adriandocherty778]

Show us then??

[@kingfillins4117]

@@adriandocherty778 show what?

[@lancedonald6070]

It proves categorically that once we have swept out the garbage currently littering the treasury benches, we will need to do exactly the same decontamination on all members of the so called public service senior leadership! Remember..." it wont happen overnight but it will happen."

[@Thebuilder-v7q]

How much Māori do you need to call your self a Māori, when you get moved up to queue because your Māori is racist and labour is racist by what they have done. You are what you eat, smoking,drinking and eating fatty foods will have a negative effect on your life, what happened to eat healthy and exercise, that’s what you should be doing not blaming everyone else for your actions

[@mooselee902]

If you are a descendant of maori, then you are maori. Its not a blood percentage thing.

[@Thebuilder-v7q]

Yes it is @@mooselee902

[@jackiebiggs7071]

If history only starts at 1840 what does that do to the 'indigenous' claim.

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Moriori were the only true indigenous people of Aotearoa.

[@adriandocherty778]

How do you tell the difference between Maori n moriori?

[@mooselee902]

@@annekevandenberg1635 They were and still are in the Chattam Islands, learn some history instead of talking out of your ass.

[@dougbulldog9947]

@@adriandocherty778 one wants free kai, the other was free kai.

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

How many healthy studies have been done for pacific people?

[@adsdft585]

About history. If a student can get some deregistered as teacher when use incorrect pronouns and a first name [ legal ] name the kid did not like. Any thing kids don't like could a reason to not listen to a teacher.

[@glennwr450]

Haven’t been paid to shut up, classic

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[@AlfredR92]

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[@Sam-lk6eo]

When NZ Maori Solders returned home from WW2 how come they never got land packages promised to other returned servicemen ?

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Who were the majority land/farm owners at that time? There's your answer.

[@Sam-lk6eo]

@@annekevandenberg1635 You'll have to search the archives yourself, The Govt has records, But to name them is possibly a privacy breech and is sensitive material oposing factions might take offence to. People of English and Scottish descent did gain lands this way.

[@mooselee902]

Lol dont bother, they would have to acknowledge that theyre subconsciously racist and itll never happen.

[@DW_Kiwi]

It was hard work to work this "new" land. That probably explains why not many Maori ended up with this offering

[@tiatamara11]

Maori is now a political football for the rationalists......maori as a political topic is going no where fast. If maori need special treatment then they need to be in the main part of the economic stream. Lessgo!

[@francisheperi4180]

We on!

[@francisheperi4180]

We on!

[@eddiekawhe480]

A good listen, if I may add in my opinion, in terms of health Maori have predisposition towards gout , due to inability to handle processed food, compared to non Maori, this will take generations to breed out with mixed marriages etc

[@ShadowMan66]

I left NZ in 2004. Why is the word Maori now got a line over the 'a' as it never did before and didn't need to. Is this yet another knee-bend to some woke agenda?

[@adsdft585]

Did people hear how Act Party suggests W Peters has serious problems, I think concerning his personality. It waa on a Duncan Grant show.

[@dougbulldog9947]

Wonder if there are improvements in health outcomes for descendants of Maori slaves??? Descedants of Maori enslaved by waring tribes, often kept as nothing more than livestock for a good kai, before being emancipated by those wicked racist colonizers.

[@mooselee902]

Yea, the racist colonizers killed a huge number of people and stole the land, then act like maori are the bad guys to this day, I see the crookedness runs in the blood.

[@adsdft585]

M Laws asked today's guest direct questions but there was a soft answers.

[@philodonoghue3062]

Labour abolished charter schools. One way to have historically sound curriculum is to legislate their return

[@marcusnz232]

You need a better camera. The chromatic aberration on the headphones is pretty dire.

[@kenmckay5578]

No surprises there after the divisive way our government has been for a while now ! Pandering in order to get popularity,or stupidly denying causation doesnt qualify this government for any trust or confidence from us ! These details seem lost on most other political leaders too , so who do we rely on for in depth truth and justice ?

[@adsdft585]

Smoking laws are a Labour action from the past.

[@lilyfuzz1]

delivery of maori to maori during covid proved successful after mainstram failures were recognised.

[@adsdft585]

Can this guy do a model on the effects of different tax polices over the last 20 years and beyond 2023?

[@hohepaparaone6567]

haha the doc said it all.....lol he just proved that there is a genetic susceptibility he literally said. "some may be a genetic susceptibility" "Build bridges instead of walls" lets build a aotearoa we can all be proud of.

[@earthworld1000]

CRT

[@lilyfuzz1]

wheres your analyisis of poverty. ?

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

If you look at the economics the lower part of society are full with unhealthy food shops that has cheap / "affordable" food. alcohol shops on most ever corner. And just like Ian said if you around family and friends who smoke likely you will smoke. Then you need to ask who let the cigarettes that are laced with addictive properties. And i wouldn't put it past if a mother smoked when pregnant it will be inherent.

[@glenn1826]

Similar garbage happening in Australia.

[@gregg7617]

WHO'S history 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@lynnewilkins0123]

What was Māoris life expectancy child mortality before colonists arrived. That’s the only true measure. Then ask the questions why if it was poor, why were they not thriving. Is it the same attitude my body my choice regardless of good medical advice.

[@shanemorrison9002]

As s Maori , Health issues are effected by personal choices and lifestyle, not Race there is only one race Humanity.Maori pre European times lived longer more active lives with a diet that catered to the needs of the people.Western colonial diseases and Diets have decimated that way of living determined by lack of choice, Today's choices are huge and unhealthy and full of trans fats and artificial sweeteners that are detrimental to all humans especially Native populations.This way of life is Western ideaology forced on folks in the name of modern progress,Maori are not blaming Europeans for their own choices,Pakeha must admit its part in propogating Profit as a means to promote HEALTH! with Consumerism And Capitalism being the most common Addiction that don't give a shit about your FEELINGS, FAITH or FOREFATHERS!!!

[@mooselee902]

Well, when the land was stolen and after the wars Maori were disproportionately affected by poverty. The dietary options when poor arent the best and over generations become habits. The interesting thing would be to see what the stats are with regard to caucasian families living below the poverty line, I bet theyre similar.

[@shanemorrison9002]

@@mooselee902 that sounds about right .Dont forget the urban drift ,maori health diminished greatly when they moved from the Village to the City.Maori womens health league,gifting of land from maori for hospitals and mobile doctors within the Rural community.Maori have done much for its peoples health but its hard for anyone to thrive when European Medical professionals ideals promote healthy profits as an indicator of healthy living!!!

[@mooselee902]

@@shanemorrison9002 You sound pretty smart for someone who drinks smokes and eats fatty foods

[@shanemorrison9002]

@@mooselee902 at 22 i weighed 22 stone cut out the ciggies stopped drinking and hagging with the thugsters,30 years on besides family you got nothing without your health medically or, spiritually.And the only thing that belongs to you is your attitude!

[@FrightF]

Economist and Intellectual 😂 Its multifactorial.. as a "doctor" would say 😂

[@tonynicholson3328]

Beware of the keywords 'expert', 'model', 'data', 'statistics' and 'information'. The greater the number of these used in combination, the more suspect the outputs.

[@DW_Kiwi]

Around 1840. The lifestyle of Maori dictated a very low life expectancy. What was this ...War with other tribes. Now its too much fat consumed. Still a lifestyle!!

[@adsdft585]

Does this guy know about life in Pukekohe in the past. I saw an item about how alzelhamns happened to Maori at a younger age. We know health expectations are lower. Experts have opinions This speaker is not expressing an exact opinion, it seems. He is expressing a thought-out opinion.

[@adsdft585]

This item does not highlight how to solve these health problems .

[@kenhorlor5674]

When it comes to the history curriculum, you have to start somewhere, and what is taught has to be corroborative. Earlier than 1840 and you start to scratch around too much, and before 1700 you're looking more at anthropology than history. What I am concerned about is not what period is taught, rather the thought processes being taught in examining that history. NZ is currently falling down the rabbit hole of accepting the rantings of someone like Julian Batchelor as valid history and of accepting political views on their face value as history. There needs to be an overhaul of how history is taught, but teachers are scared to do this, or they're just not skilled enough to do it.

[@broniabutler4166]

Julian Batchelor is not ranting, what he says is based on fact. Sir Hugh Kawherau in 1975 was believed on no basis of fact

[@operatorsix6933]

from what i understand julian did months and months of research...and tried to be as accurate as he could....

[@kenhorlor5674]

Well he failed, I score him an E.@@operatorsix6933

[@annekevandenberg1635]

Too much looking backward...Must look forwards to progress.

[@kenhorlor5674]

If you don't understand your history, you are doomed to repeat it.@@annekevandenberg1635

[@Damudean]

Māori health that’s easy stop eating processed rubbish and eat more meat. Reduce the amount of vegetables as much as you feel comfortable.

[@lilyfuzz1]

the damage of colonisation and the racism maori grow up, is unquantifiable, something your 'expert' will always fail to accept. he takes no account of maori delivering succesfully to maori, re health.

[@DW_Kiwi]

This is another band wagon. The UN one!! and "being a victim" Maori

[@adriandocherty778]

Funny how all the non Maori are the experts on Maori!!🤣🤦🏽‍♀️

[@MDH16477]

Wow this was scientifically illiterate.. You guys don’t even understand the basic differentiated endowment of life expectancy based on r/K selection theory... Maori live about 10 years shorter naturally..............

[@TaxpayerTreason]

ok stalin

[@raniera13]

The good old "I'm not an academic BUT.....blah blah blah blah sorry - who is Ian Harrison when it comes to the academy? here's a few academics Prof Tony Blakely; Sir Prof Mason Durie, Prof Sue Crengle; Prof Eru Pomare.

[@josephl9619]

Except that its so obviously a load of rubbish that you dont need to have any qualifications to see that academia has been taken over by activists who are manipulating data to suit a narrative.

[@winstonsmithsoul]

Your confusing academics with communist activists.

[@andrewcampbell2903]

So what is your argument that counters what Ian Harrison has told us in a very sober and non-extreme way ?

[@raniera13]

@@andrewcampbell2903 I'm not an academic those professors I named are and their counter to Harrrison is impeccable. They are only 4 of many others with actual credibility.

[@andrewcampbell2903]

Ian Harrison told us that obesity , smoking and risk-taking are the main factors that account for the life expectancy gap between Maori and non-Maori . So what do the professors you name say specifically about life expectancy ? @@raniera13

[@Faykaussie]

White?ye nah im new zealand european👌its a category error...to many are use to it.

[@winstonsmithsoul]

There’s no such thing as a NZ European. That’s also a racist label to box any none Maori. Find your roots and celebrate them, everybody else is, in the new divided NZ. Are you really happy to be lumped in the group of white people?

[@Anonymouse405]

"White Powder"✋️😤💨🤍