The MANY Factions in Space Marine 2 Explained

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

I hope you all enjoy this one, we wanted to get out a very brisk paced noob-friendly episode to help those looking to get into the setting due to Space Marine 2. If you thought it was helpful, please feel free to direct others to it. We really love seeing new people get into Warhammer. This week is going to be exciting! If you're new to the setting and looking to get into it further hopefully some of the videos in this playlist can help you out: kzbin.info/aero/PL-p4AUDNDTPZceGiloQ3jQZsYyVrgbASe (Sorry Eric wasn't able to speak much due to the flu and please ignore my flub of saying the wrong number multiple times. Also, we still couldn't get a thumb/title that we liked, so ideas are welcome. I really wanted this episode to be extra high quality and I feel like we kept having new issues happen.)

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

MAKE EVERY FACTION'S PRIMARIS LIEUTENANT PLEASE I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR 6 MONTHS!

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

@@LordCrate-du8zm and here is to 6 more wonderful months! 🍻

[@nicolascolmont579]

​@@thepoorhammerpodcast just sayin: the word bearers chapter in youtube is spelled wolrd bearers. I blame Berillio!

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@thepoorhammerpodcast cheers, I’ll drink to that 🥃

[@ConfusCat]

@@thepoorhammerpodcastjesus you sound like my dad

[@polarvortex6496]

The Codex Astartes was honestly just “What Would Guilliman Do: The Book” + “How we stop the Horus Heresy from happening again”. So probably for the best he pushed an updated version after 10k years.

[@justuspickle]

gotta respect brad sticking to his Thousand Guns and never missing an opportunity to slander the space doggos

[@guidomista3570]

It's not slander if it's true!

[@Reyvinn92]

Always disrespect the space cops.

[@BloodWolfXZ]

The only people who don't jump at every opportunity to mock the fur marines are the fur marine players themselves.

[@Yeethook]

Bricky is going to be busy this week

[@janematthews9087]

You mean his store is gonna come down so many times because people will start buying stuff and they'll see him and he sells stuff, right?

[@Z2Wolf]

Brad's hatred of the '1000 space marines to a chapter' rule has progressed to the point he's just started intentionally lying that it's something else in intro videos

[@ashdog9235]

Good

[@greg_mca]

The dark angels are primarily arthurian knights, right down to their leader being betrayed by his best friend, mortally wounded in battle, and sleeping under a mountain for 10000 years until he was needed most. They're very much warrior monks of that tradition, and their 30k design is very clear about it

[@joesheridan9451]

Exactly. With some Teutonic knight, Freemason/illuminati thrown in

[@joelkurowski7129]

6:02 I love how, while Brad's talking about splitting the Legions up into Chapters to sell more toys, the video is showing the only Chapter who gets around the Codex Astartes by finding _another_ loophole...

[@Dwm273]

I won't mock Brad for saying 10K Space Marines per Chapter because in my mind that's the proper number.

[@ashgrey8678]

Found the Black Templar.

[@Minilopo18]

i cant believe you kept saying 10,000 noob. Thanks Berillio for giving permission

[@dancingowlheadman]

1,000 is an unbelievably silly number so i support this retcon

[@TitaniumLegman]

@@dancingowlheadman With the essentially infinite number of successor chapters the overall host of Space Marines is probably around the right size tho, so I say let it slide.

[@vast9467]

@@TitaniumLegmanthe amount of successor chapters would not outweigh only 1000, the scale of an entire galaxy is wayyy too big

[@Dantenon]

Bro wtf you guys missed the red scorpions the best chapter that doesn't have any books dedicated to them but feature heavily in the imperial armor lore books no one but me reads

[@StevenCarusone]

For the newbies, the Minotaurs aren't ACTUALLY Dorn space marines. They're Perturabo space marines that stayed loyal during the Horus Heresy. They are "good guy" Iron Warriors. This is blatantly obvious by the Greek aesthetic that no Imperial Fist successor chapter has whereas the Iron Warriors abandoned their original Greek aesthetic that the Minotaurs (Greek myth creature) kept.

[@SamueL-td7fb]

The good guy Iron Warriors are on the top 5 worst Space Marine chapters to be reinforced by 😂 No shade tho I love them

[@klaykid117]

My favorite thing about the minotaurs is that they basically always deploy in full chapter strength. They never just send a company or two. You're getting all 1,000 Space Marines

[@fenxis]

@@klaykid117 You mean; all 10,000 Space Marines :p

[@DanteL1983]

That is not confirmed. Their primogenitor is unconfirmed

[@Bluecho4]

Not to be confused with the _other_ obvious loyalist Iron Warriors chapter, the Silver Skulls.

[@jst56strong]

Hey Brad and Eric, thanks for all the content. Been real depressed lately and your podcasts have helped a lot. Love you both dudes.

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

Thank you for the kind words. I hope things improve for you. Unsolicited internet stranger advice: I recommend talking to a professional about it assuming you have insurance to afford it, I promise it really will help! Depression is a real bitch, but it's a lot easier with help.

[@BaalFridge]

Hey random depressed stranger, im also a random depressed stranger listening to podcasts to quiet my mind. Getting help is hard. Sometimes impossible. I too feel like I'm lonely and worthless, but today I saw you comment. I saw your comment and it reminded me I'm not the only random depressed stranger. And that has made me feel less alone. And I hope it does to you too.

[@thomashowe1583]

As a person going through a depressive episode of isolating myself outside of work, and not doing some of the things i should do to improve my life due to anxiety, I feel ya. Random unsolicited internet advice has convinced me to schedule finding help somewhere.

[@Freezezonian]

T~T: Us Tyranid players when we realize our lore can be summarized as, Insectoid hungry hungry hippos coming soon to a galaxy near you.

[@seanpeacock4290]

And we are here for it. BTW the Black Templars are like Cadbury eggs to the hive mind, Ultra Marines are like oatmeal raisin cookies. Orks are vegan chicken nuggets.

[@Freezezonian]

Don't forget the tau being sashimi and the kroot being carnivore chicken.

Still better then the other daddy-issue centered backgrounds... 🤷

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Imperial fists pretend they’re cool and immovable but deep down they want to break things while the iron warriors were commanded to unmake things but deep down just wanted to make nice things until they were pushed too far so now they get to make not very nice things. Very funny fun house mirror things going on.

[@ColumbaMacFearghas]

Deathwatch is like a space marine equivalent of a UN peacekeeping force (except instead of unsuccessfully defending civilians they unsuccessfully fight against Xenos).

[@Lavendeer201]

So excited to finally used a ranged weapon as a world eater. Like a new piece of technology

[@mitchelldeines6413]

15:42 “Blood Ravens” while showing a flesh tearer on screen lol

[@majorbaconbr]

thats a chapter relic

[@crab-tree6486]

Can’t wait to force my friends to watch this

[@charlesfisher-kh5sw]

there are no crimson fists. this is unacceptable. - every non-raging son of dorn

[@TresBS1]

TBF, Guilliman's the kind of guy who doesn't just write the book: he keeps making new editions. Dude keeps figuring out stuff, talking to other people about said stuff and asks them about it. Then he writes that stuff down. The man believes that you have to keep learning. It was EVERYONE ELSE who treated the Codex Astartes as the be-all, end-all after the Avenging Beancounter was put on life support for 10K years.

[@jamesflynn6827]

24:33 look how he conveniently "forgot" to mention that the thousand sons love making complicated elaborate plans that always definitely work as intended and never ever have a monkeys paw attached to them. Their "genious" plans also will definitely make everything better and solve problems as inteded and never ever create news ones that they try to fix with more plans. Also their primarch is a very humble guy who knows his limitations can accept criticism and can actually coordinate with people, he also definitely isn't an arrogant delusional prick. He also would never ever shaft his own legion and he would never dig a 10 foot deep whole and when questioned who he is gonna get out, say everything is fine just to make it 20 feet deep.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Theyre like skaven but not as funny or charming when they royally screw themselves, their enemies and/or the plot up.

[@xesca.7999]

I was about to leave an angry comment about being called a "Bizarro Imperial Fist" until I realized just how true it was

[@AWPtical800]

That heavy British accent for "sp[i]ce marine" from the orks in the first game is forever imprinted in my mind.

[@Wineblood]

Thanks Brad for teaching us some Warhammer 400,000 lore.

[@mattshamblin3833]

I refuse to bully Brad because 10,000 is a slightly less stupid number of space marines than 1,000.

[@calmarac]

I agree

[@ChumblesMumbles]

The 2-minute history, while it goes from 1:30 to 6:12 (don't worry about it, time travel is real) is rather impressive in how much accurate condensed summary as well as nuclear-hot snark it packs into that 2 (officially GW-calculated 2) minutes.

[@varixin4467]

This week's Shill% is 25:13 for KZbin Pleasantries, 25:15 for merch, and 25:17 for Patreon. Because this episode is intended for new viewers who don't know about Warhammer and much less about Poorhammer, I will also explain again what the Shill% is (even though it is kinda obvious). Shill% is the list of timestamps for when any type of shilling occurs (give them money, give Bricky money to give to them and you get a mug for it, appease the KZbin algorithm). The rules for these times are at my sole discretion and I am liable to disqualify a time for any reason or I may even forgive the lack of shilling. At present, I do not keep track of other miscellaneous common quotes that occur, such as the "Sounds Good" or funny interjections by the editor and secret third host. It's a fun little thing, and if you see a mistake, let me know; I'm checking to see if anyone else is paying attention (and it's definitely not because I make mistakes)

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

I love that even you did an intro episode this week.

[@Waffle-Habit]

You know it was all fun and games at first, but truly it seems like everyone keeps forgetting about the crimson fist 18:00

[@Grubnar]

Alexis Polux may have saved the Imperium by simply doing his job the best he could.

[@alisutherland1103]

@@Grubnarthat is all we can ask for.

[@vxicepickxv]

They did keep saying that in order for 40k to make sense, they needed to add another 0 to stuff, so saying 10,000 is actually their head canon.

[@aaronlaughter6471]

Its the truth, some of the most devastating wars in 40K look like just a particular bad WW2 battle. I can not remember the 40K war, but it was a massive one that hilariously had less deaths then the WW2 battle of Stalingrad. Saying the scale and numbers make no sense is an understatement, and a 0 or two and then it starts making sense.

[@SilimSavertin]

@@aaronlaughter6471 The 10 Emperor's of Mankind with their 180 Primarchs fighting 40 Chaos Gods is getting a bit excessive, tho

[@personwhotalks2049]

For anyone interest in the Space Sharks/Carcharodons Astra, on top of the shark vibe they've recently picked up a pacific islander aesthetic as well, with their armor bearing markings similar to the tattoos worn by people in those regions as well as the few characters the chapter has having names from the pacific as well. With the exception of their chapter master Tyberos: The Red Wake, who is huge (no official canon height, just know he's bigger than a normal space marine) and his name is also a few letters off from the spanish word for shark. In case you thought we were getting too serious.

[@jorgemontero6384]

I am surprised your propaganda doesn't quite explain that the reason Thousand Sons are not playable is that really, out of a unit of 'marines' there's one of them that is alive, while everything else is just an animated pile of dust. This of course had nothing to do with spells from anyone attempting to make sure people in the legion couldn't die.

[@Bluecho4]

Also, they wouldn't have the same variety of units as other Chaos Legions. They have Regular Troop (with Extra Dust, and sometimes a Flamer), and they have a Terminator. That's it. They don't have melee specialists, heavy weapons specialists, jump pack specialists, or any of that. (Because they had those taken away when they were spun off into their own army, and never got Thousand Sons specific replacements). Thousand Sons _desperately_ need a range expansion.

[@LePlatypusBait]

​@@Bluecho4 in space marine 2 all the chaos legions are locked 1-1 with a class, so they would just be "psyker" and it wouldn't matter they don't have variety. That said range expansion pls GW

[@OmegaA1000]

People want to play thousand sons sorcerers, not the dusty rubrics

[@haltorn2611]

I absolutely love your banter, you 2 never fail to entertain, even when I'm not in a warhammer mood I love listening to you two :D

[@saulitix]

I love your humor and how you don't take the lore too seriously (because it can be pretty goofy sometimes) while, at the same time, you guys show that you know and care a lot about this sci-fi universe.

[@mariopetovar6359]

Thanks guys for all the content you keep putting out, been listening for a long while now my favourite thing is to paint 40k while listening. And then just let it roll out any random episode, even if its a repeat of something i've already gone through you guys just make it fun. Keep em coming!

[@GCarssow]

It's about time y'all acknowledged the adorableness of the Maulerfiend, aka the Maulerfriend.

[@Steph-oo7df]

High School Blade Master here, we’re also the faction of historic weaponry, if you like plasma guns, plasma cannons, plasma anything and being an absolute dickhead Dark Angels is for you

[@The_Blackshield]

Poorhammer managed to do more service to the best Chapter (Deathwatch) than GW has done with the joke that is Imperial Agents. Kudos.

[@corzahazard444]

New drinking game, every time Brad says 10,000 instead of 1,000 buy a rhino, ok not a drink but hey they're free

[@blizzardgaming7070]

Imperial fists just exist to be decoration on Iron Warrior models, they even fit the colour scheme.

[@Shmooly45]

Honestly, I loved this video. Thank you for being awesome guys. I have loved your content since getting into the hobby a few months ago (yes because of space marine 2).

[@modelcitizenvlad]

"Deathwatch exists" That's a bold statement

[@speaktome4778]

Oh man if the video game is this good imagine how awesome it'll be when GW releases a miniature-based tabletop game based on Space Marine 2! 🤩

[@MDRLOz]

Death watch is actually in this game, however briefly. It might be really useful to explain them a bit to help people. And you spare 6 short lines about them before going over to say they exist before just loving on the Grey Knights. How useful.

[@benionin7260]

Actually, it would be fairly easy to implement 10th ed psyker rules into multiplayer: Just cast gun.

[@Bogamonster]

The reason you can’t play as a thousand son in space marine 2 is because all the basic rubrics are pretty much mindless piles of dust in armor.

[@mrshowtiime247]

Preparing for Space Marines 2, this was a very clear & entertaining way to learn about the many legions & chapters. I enjoyed it very much and will check out more. The Primarchs sound really cool! Thank you!

[@noahmehringer29]

Magnus indeed did nothing wrong (As long as you ignore literally every time he thought he knew better than someone else...soooo...a lot)

[@AlRoderick]

People are just parsing the sentence wrong. Magnus tried to do nothing, and he did nothing as wrongly as it is possible to do it.

[@collecter343]

On the Chapter miscount, 10K makes way more sense in terms of protecting planets and shit.

[@wookiee.gunner]

Overall pretty good episode, but you did get one faction wrong. Let me fix that for you: Did you buy a copy of the Necronomic as an angsty teenager and think ancient Egyptian curses are cool? Do you want to blame your game losses on a giant bird god and their ephemeral whims masquerading as a grand plan? Then the Thousand Sons has a chapter for you.

[@josav09]

Honestly, Fists look more vainilla than Ultra-Logistics-Spartans, but sadly Ultras lost the "spartan" flavour for front of the box reasons

[@basstedson]

I've always associated them more with Romans.

[@personwhotalks2049]

I mean for the regular infantry and stuff it makes sense otherwise every chapter would just be Ultramarines in a different color. But some of the non-chapter character minis do still hold onto a bit of the greco-roman flair.

[@NicholasFrangos]

No such thing as “vanilla”. They all serve their purpose.

[@DaveMcMuffin]

I play iron hands, not as in I play ironnstorm, I am one of the 12 people that have actual iron hands marines. I’m my slightly biased opinion I think we get too much shit as a chapter.

[@joelaugustin6407]

Yo I just primed eight battlemechs in as many minutes with the airbrushing kit I assembled based off your recommendations you guys are the BEST.

[@MrGBH]

I have an idea for the next "Every factions sells you X" episode How about "every faction sells you a biker subfaction"? Not unit, not character, but subfaction for bikers

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

I feel like doing Every Faction episodes about subfactions would work very well, and bikers is a good intro point.

[@WandererJester]

The Nerds of Magnus had it coming. 🎉

[@nakenmil]

Controversial opinion: honestly the chapter SHOULD have been 10,000 marines. This seems a lot more plausible in terms of manpower and logistics. It's not just a question of "power", it's a question of having enough dudes to go where they need to be, quickly enough, often enough. 10k marines would just give you a lot more leeway to have the ultramarines supposedly commanding fleets, invading planets AT THE SAME TIME as they're sending guys to the Deathwatch, splitting up into guerilla teams, sending envoys to other factions, garrisoning their home world, sending in covert ops teams, etc. etc. (just to be clear, I know all Space Marine forces are accompanied by shitloads of chapters serfs, thralls, servitors, allied forces, etc. but even that doesn't really make up for the kind of things GW wants you to think a Chapters gets up to on its own, imho.)

[@zigzera7757]

According to battlefleet gothic: armada 2 the “failed” crusades where to destroy necron pylons to let the warp fully bleed into real space, if anyone was wondering

[@nannerstout3877]

Getting called out for my ice cream flavors and it being accurate. Damn lol

[@wrolly1322]

I am obligated to mock you not only for multiplying the chapter limit by 10, but also for leaving out the Psyker specialty of the Blood Ravens.

[@Amberpawn]

Recruitment Drive the Video! - Welcome to the newly Warhammer Curious - Space Marine 2 looks like an amazing jump forward.

[@jarlathquinn2628]

I think this was based on the strumtiger

[@pat0652]

15:53 You did the Sharky bois dirty. Their novels are cool, they are known for their Nomad Predation model (Crusading, but in an opportunistic fashion, always on the lookout for resources) having a F-off huge Chapter Master, having questionable allies, and a lovely sprinkling of Polynesian influence. They are possibly made of Chimeric gene seed of the Raven Guard and possibly the Night Lords.

[@EdBurke37]

Dark Angels: are you gay but very Catholic about it?

[@AlRoderick]

Meanwhile, the Black Templars are Catholic but very gay about it.

[@sammcallister1423]

Brilliant video guys I’m completely new to this but can’t wait to jump in deep

[@sladewilson2753]

22:19 yes its called "Batman Who Laughs." It's aight. Dope design tho

[@voidyll5582]

I'm stuck between two ideas for decorating my classes, I'm thinking of either doing all adeptus chapters or splitting half and half between adeptus and heretic. Here's what I'm thinking All adeptus: Tactical: ultramarine Assault: space sharks Vanguard: blood angel Bulwark: black Templar Sniper: raven guard Heavy: salamander Half and half: Tactical: ultra marine Assault: world eaters Vanguard: blood angels Bulwark: deathguard Sniper: thousand suns Heavy: salamander Keep in mind all of my lore knowledge comes from playing video games and occasionally watching KZbin vids like this one, so a lot of my decision on what classes fit what chapters is more on the aesthetics of the chapters than the lore reasoning

[@Jfk2Mr]

"Princess doesn't bite" Nah, it swallows you whole

[@Fell-Handed_Bjorn]

I have objections to your opinion of the Vlka Fenryka, Brad. But all in good fun you Maleficarum sympathizer.

[@unintentionally_edgy5867]

For Sigismund and the emperor!

[@bigmeek4705]

There is a batman kind of like the Nightlords. The Batman Who Laughs who became kind of a mix between batman and joker, goes on universe conquering crusades, eventually becoming a galactic level threat. Super great series, would highly recommend if you are remotely into superhero stuff.

[@snakeoo7ca]

i really wish there were Grey Knights, even if it means I have to kill my team at the end

[@wesleymiles8756]

17:08 I don't think the Minotaurs are Imperial Fists successors. In-Universe their genetic lineage is a super well-kept secret, and their main author sorta confirmed this is because they were made at least in part with Iron Warriors geneseed.

[@Colancio]

One more redundant fact of the iron hands, their primarch ferrus manus literally means "iron hand" in latin! so you have iron hands for your iron hands in his iron hands

[@StevDoesBigJumps]

They could include a thousand sons psyker as a chaos alternative to a librarian. Alternatively you'd just be a sluggish rubric.

[@RB-xc9wg]

I also love the wolrd bearers

[@mettatone.x.356]

I wish they brought back the Legion of the Damned at some point. Warp tainted loyalist ghost riders is such a cool style that I absolutely love.

[@darko-man8549]

16:57 they were also rumoured to be Word Bearers. Which is also much cooler than Inperia fist successor.

[@RageDuck0]

On the topic of the codex and the running joke of the secondary character always saying that the codex doesn't support whatever titus does, there's a section where the secondary character from this game says it when you're all about to jump out of a sub orbital drop ship without gear and the dude says it and titus just glares at him and then he adds with a smerk but i sure do and does the equivalent of a front flip into a orbital drop in only armor lol.

[@AndrewTJ31]

I like how you state the successor chapters are from novels when the Exorcists, Minotaurs, and Carcharodons were all true OG chapters that came out in Rogue Trader.

[@Omega1907]

Personally I would describe the White Scars more like the mongol horde in SciFi which traded horses for bikes ;)

[@vahlok2568]

You guys should really do a video talking about your favorite chaos daemon characters or something because goddamn the SM/CSM hate makes it sound like you don’t like warhammer at all sometimes.

[@velwein]

Here's my theory for why some of Dorn's Successors are so much more aggressive, during a conversation Malchador, he reveals that the remnants of the 2 "redacted" primarch's legions were given to Dorn and Guilliman. I suspect that the Minotaurs and even Black Templar come from them.

[@Bluecho4]

Assuming they weren't loyalist members of traitor Legions who got folded in after the Heresy. But yes, I do like the idea that tons of "Ultramarines" and "Imperial Fists" successors are actually members of the Lost Legions.

[@wolf-xf6hf]

Brad and Eric right before booting up every episode “Remember, no bias”

[@rampant5139]

The Black Templars aren't free of the 1000 marine limit because they are on crusade, Sigismund just never signed the Codex Astartes and left

[@SilimSavertin]

Let's be real here, custom chaos marine warbands are the exact same "choose your own adventure" of chaos that normal marines got. Sadly though, none of them ever became big enough names to get a real presence outside of Black Library books. I wish we'd get awesome stuff like the Red Corsairs in SM2.

[@schaaf9637]

As always, great Episode, perfect Podcast for the car. Greets from the Czech Republic

[@dravendragoor1457]

Haha, Brad don't know it's 1000!

[@jamesguthrie7421]

Konrad Curze is the GW OC of the Batman Who Laughs. Who is Bruce wayne but cursed by the Joker to become the Joker Batman. he is smiling evilly and wears a spiky visor.

[@TheHOZ95]

Comment for the comments algorithm, engagement for the engagement throne

[@Transgirlwar]

"Space marine 2 comes out in a week." *me who will be playing it early on Thursday* I beg to differ

[@nullakjg767]

everyone always talks about how evil the emperor and the imperium was, and then you find out many real empires are literally worse and many people happily serve them.

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

You forgot about sons of malice and red cousair and the fallen 😅. They are one of the most famous chaos warbands outside of the original legions

[@thepinkplushie]

I'm half convinced that GW is going to one day just say "woops, accounting error" and retcon the chapters to 10,000 because frankly 1,000 per chapter makes so little sense that very little of the lore is actually written with that in mind (even when they explicitly reference chapter size). It's just straight up not enough marines for the casualities they take in some campaigns. If they were actually 1,000, most chapters would have been wiped out long before Primaris.

[@TheFr0z3nF0x]

Blood for the blood God! Skulls for the skull throne! Milk for the Khorne flakes!

[@wookiee.gunner]

A Space Marine 2 episode without discussing Astartes 2.0, aka Primaris Marines, or "Why do these guys look different and can I use them?"

[@grindersongear759]

You know even though I'm a fan of loyalist Space Marines I have to respect just how dead you sound inside every time you have to talk about loyalist Space Marines positively it's funny

[@coltonbunja]

"did you unironically study the blade in highschool"

[@TheGamegurusChannel]

Wow what an enjoyable video, I would love if it was recommended to a BUNCH of new viewers during this topical period, preferably those with a predisposition to patreon pledges!

[@Cosmic-wg5gx]

minotaurs are just mobile defense. who wouldn't want a WALL RUNNING AT YOU

[@see317]

You can't really blame The Iron Hands for their naming convention when the primarch is named "Ferrus Manus"... They're just sticking with the playbook he gave them.

[@ChumblesMumbles]

At 0:55 that clip must hit Eric right in the thunder-hammers.