Pythagorian Geometry | King Arthur's Stone | Oldest Coin Factory

[@stanlibuda96]

Thanks guys, I'm really grateful for these interesting news flashes about anything prehistoric! And I like the way you are presenting them, too ...

[@MarkVrem]

I"m still getting used to them swapping sides, but I told myself I wasn't gonna complain about it... Such pettinesss.

[@billmiller4972]

Excellent one! I especially like the points about the information density in cuneiform.

[@ruthcherry3177]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You never know, but your channel, and that of Dan Mansfield, may "get liked and subscribed to" by some of my student's, particularly due to this video! 👏👏👏

[@badgerpa9]

Educational video as always, thank you Gentlemen.

[@walrus4046]

I thought Pythagorean geometry in Mesopotamia was already known! Maybe it's my memory playing tricks and it was something I suspected 20 years ago when looking at plans of settlements.

[@kadensmike8190]

It was known and has been known since ancient times - the ancient Greeks knew the Babylonians had a rule for right angled triangles, the rule was also known by the ancient Egyptians.

[@garyhewitt489]

Yes apparently Pythagoras borrowed his theories from older text.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

@@garyhewitt489 Well, if you'd point me for evidence. Hopefully not of thy type like the fraudulent claims in the video above.

[@susanhepburn6040]

More fascinating stuff! Thank you very much.

[@williamjohnson1618]

Yes fascinating

[@MrGerryodonothing]

Well done to youz lads, always a bit of food for thought.

[@k8eekatt]

Thank you for another history flash!

[@lazenbytim]

One does wonder if the burning down is symbolic. I think it's entirely possible that once a well-known family, or possibly even the 'leader' of the tribe died that his home was burned to cleanse the earth and send him or her to the afterlife. Fire is hugely symbolic, even today. I also feel that the view from were the burial chamber looks is not a coincidence either. Great update guys, thank you.

[@kadensmike8190]

Yeah, yobs in my town still carry out these ancient traditions, only they don't wait for the home owners to die first. I've excavated lots of prehistoric settlements in the UK and haven't noticed a common practice of burning down what appears to be the main residence in each settlement...

[@janmulcahy1458]

Love you guys and everything you do! I sometimes miss the live episodes but always catch up later. Keep up the good work 😃

[@paulwood7798]

Just so you guys know as I have not decided if I am going to report my findings yet but with regards The Dorstone Hill Complex a very prolonged dry spell a drone and living locally I reckon my aerial footage will treble the size of the Dorstone Complex. I have reported the Causewayed Enclosure but being spoken too very poorly at present does not fill me with any enthusiasm to report it. Only discovered you guys yesterday and love your content. Lots more please and it made me laugh watching your Archaeologists Stunned video as I have long had a standing joke saying the collective group name for a group of Archaeologists should be a Stun and with regards Cursus I do the same as you gents and say if you put a gate in the gaps it becomes a field and where better to keep your live stock. Great Content and love what I have seen so far. Going to watch the Standing With Stones film tonight. Looks good.

[@kernowmaid5970]

Another great news feed, thankyou

[@Kergrist]

Thanks guys, 3 interesting subjects👍

[@janetmackinnon3411]

Thanks again!

[@Kraiforjoi]

Cant wait for Standing with Stones 2 starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as Rupert Soskin and Jackie Chan as one of the stones.

[@Misses-Hippy]

When Ringo played with Mick.

[@RalphEllis]

The Great Pyramid is a Pi pyramid (2 x Pi x r … the circle formula) The Second Pyramid is a 3-4-5 Pythag pyramid. The Red Pyramid is a 20-21-29 Pythag pyramid. To the nearest 4 cm. This knowledge was widespread. R

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

Absolutely not the case. Your delusional claims are made up in order to sell your fraudulent books which are completely worthless.

[@janmulcahy1458]

The squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides!

[@MrGerryodonothing]

At 12:13, they didn't indeed put dates on them. Dates imply time and time was first recorded in éire at precisely 5,400 years ago on jan 21st 2020 just to even the numbers up. This information is gleaned from a stone carving which denotes an tarbh "the bull" on a 24 hour clock. No other constellation was recorded.

[@BlueBaron3339]

The practice of turning homes into tombs was also practiced in Mesoamerica. Basically, if someone did something in one place they also did it in another, people all being humans and such. As for geometry, it's more a matter of ongoing influence than originality. Pythagoras covered quite a lot of ground too, including music theory which was his original passion. He also disproved Astrology but, sadly, that didn't have ongoing influence. Still having trouble with this profile view thing but I guess that's just me.

[@CitizenSmith50]

What constitutes a factory? How many guys would have to have to be working together in 640 BC? Two or more? Is there a specific number before it becomes a factory? By the way, how do they know these were coins? Why would you need a "core pin" unless to make a socket? They remind me of H1 and H2 type European arrowheads (Classification of military arrowheads by Jessop (1996)), or LM type6; the Eastern equivalent perhaps?

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hi Ashley, I can't send the source paper but there is a good article on the link below. If I remember correctly, the foundry is 75 metres in length. It's divided into numerous work areas so clearly had the capacity for a good number of workers. Archaeologists know they are coins because 'Spade Coins' are a known type of currency in Chinese history, used by both the Zhou and Xin dynasties. You raise an interesting point though, about them looking like arrowheads. These are interpreted as more like a particular kind of weeding tool. All best, Rupert. www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/worlds-oldest-coin-factory-discovered-in-china

[@MrGerryodonothing]

At 4.48: you mention "two decimal points". The 22nd letter of the ogham alphabet is 3.142, exact to two decimal points; but commonly known in the ancient world as 22/7. it is carved in stone in éire and is now known as "an eochar" for it contains a wealth of information.

[@steveterry1824]

I think Michael meant to say 'two decimal places'. Two decimal points makes no sense.

[@steveterry1824]

I can't see any letter in the ogham alphabet that looks like pi.

[@MrGerryodonothing]

@@steveterry1824 Thanks Steve I was in a bit of a hurry, sometimes I make no sense anyway :).

[@MrGerryodonothing]

@@steveterry1824 No you won't find it. It is a relatively new discovery but it is published and I tried to leave a link to it here but that didn't work.

[@janmulcahy1458]

Mmm delicious pi.

[@craigodin]

On the deliberate burning of neolithic houses - totally plausible that the burning was entirely accidental. As you say, houses burn down all, the time, even more so if they're almost entirely built from flammable materials and the occupants use fire to light and heat them. But here's another perspective, one which I'm not really sure has legs or much to support it. What if building then burning then burying the lot under a mound was a way of stamping your claim on the land - a we are here and this is our ancestral home (even if it could have been done retrospectively) statement. The only place I can think of where construction, deliberate burning and burying afterwards (and likely done for completely different reasons) has been convincingly proven is the mound at Emain Macha in County Armagh but this is by an entirely different group of people separated by millenia from those active around Arthur's stone. Anyway, something to ponder.

[@hectorpascal]

But is there any evidence that the Babylonians could PROVE "Pythagoras's" Theorem, as the Greeks did? Once you have created the idea of a right angle, it's probably easy enough to NOTICE the relationships in a simple 3,4,5 right angle triangle, and then try that idea successfully on others. Geometry almost certainly derived from the need to measure land, but developing it as an abstract concept doubtless happened long after such ideas first became useful tools for surveying etc.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

No pythagorean operation at all on that tablet.

[@ezicarus8216]

Humans are OBSESSED with measuring EVERYTHING. It is the basis for EVERYTHING we do. Even now.

[@hectorpascal]

@@ezicarus8216 So are we not "h. sapiens" but instead "h. measurantis"? (Sorry, YT won't let me use the "h-word" LOL)

[@lazzymclandrover4447]

Talking of Babylonian things, do any of you guys play/have played the "Royal Game of Ur" as it is called now..? We play it regularly - I have alternate ideas about the way it should be played, but it's seriously fun and VERY unpredictable in outcome.

[@mikemullen5563]

I'm late to this party, but people get excited about the use of the Pythagorean theorem before he was born. I emphasize: HE DIDN'T USE IT---HE PROVED IT. No one else, to my knowledge, took the empirically derived formula and proved it was true.

[@deormanrobey892]

What happened guys? No September Q& Q?

[@deormanrobey892]

Never mind, forgot they're on tour 'til the 23rd.

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

I bet the Chinese never saw pockets actually becoming a thing...

[@kadensmike8190]

Probably because it has always been cooler to tuck your accessories in rolled over sleeves, waistbands, stockings or hat bands. 😎

[@meowcel8580]

KZbin is hiding your uploads. Not sure if you are aware

[@juliepoppy1021]

I always think that because so many cultures and civilisations had ununderstood languages or no written language at all. I personally are just always going to be chuffed when someone come up with a sensible intelligent reasonable interpretation. The Mayan and Inca descendants are just being able to recreate the wonderful farming practices of their ancestors. Thru archaeology studies. Then of course I look at just my lifetime and I really feel like I have forgotten 75% of everything I learnt and am now the kid at the back of the classroom creating a disruption. I am very thankful that most of the history I learnt in school has been debunked.

[@juliepoppy1021]

Thanks

[@pixiepianoplayer114]

Finkle needs to fact check this tablet

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

I already did that, and it turned out there is no Pythagorean geometry referenced at all. I had a debate with the guy who made that claim in this comment section, and he has no real argument.

[@pixiepianoplayer114]

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Thanks for the reply. I was actaully being somewhat light-hearted, although indeed I do know our distinguished Professor Finkle, knows his stuff quite well. In fact, as I type this now, I am daydreaming on how a video featuring our aforementioned British Museum icon, would be delightful to see tackling this very tablet. So, maybe some collaboration with our beloved Michael and Rupert may be twinlking upon the horizon. A twinkle in the eyes of Finkle? Surely so? One can hope.

[@TheShrewTamed]

If a house was burnt down when one of the family died, the rest of the family would need a new house. Or as a family grew they would all live in the same house for generations. And only when the last grannie of the line was left, then when she died the house with so much family history would then be burnt. Rather than have a new family use the old house.

[@peterinbrat]

So... Aliens?

[@blkrs123]

Exacted dimensions of a Digestive, oddly...just saying...)

[@theRhinsRanger]

It's a shame the Chinese dont excavate those pyramids and release the info to the world. Same with local authorities stopping archaeologists excavating at Gunun Padang after something was radiocarbon dated outwith the time narrative Academia has to stick to. I would also like to add that there are hundreds, if not thousands of clay Tablets sitting in museum store room's just crumbling away.

[@m.pearce3273]

Deliberate destruction, I would offer is not the case. People's the world over have burnt to dedicate to the ancestors. The alignment of the sites could easily be because their stars changed over time due to Axial precession of the Sky

[@stevehill3782]

I think you are getting your geometry and trigonometry mixed up Guys! There is no requirement to use Pythogoras's theorem in this calculation neither is there any evidence that they were aware of his famous insight.

[@williamcourtland5945]

Pythagoras proved it was a universal truth, until the curve of the earth interfered. Sight from atop a pyramid showed the people vanish over the horizon, even when holding a light. The need for a tower is as old as moving a big stone, as building a tower to heaven. But also to see from. Architecture of the previous generations is one thing. Mathematics is the language of astronomers, a religious pass time, and Politics is quite different. Sourcing politics has been fun. Law established by God, when he carve it into stone. God's garden a gift to his wife Eden, where he explored and brought back living samples of everything. He was tricked into killed a sabertooth tiger, the first person to kill a Smilodon in single combat. His garden was labelled, and many wooden bits were carved with a rudimentary language, a tree holding the dictionary, repeating from the old one in his godmothers cottage. The passage of law is strange, yet Lucifer used it to make fair trade possible, and created infrastructure. So many names to delve into, those of the Zodiac gaining merit after Ra and Osiris truly walked this earth. Torus yoked a bull, the water bearer fired pots, until the titans, as Uranus formed the first stone and mortar structure, for its like to be repeated at Stonehenge, to replace mud brick, or wood and plaster, with structure. Torus yoked the bull to move a stone said to be to large to move. Leo saw the last of the Smilodon, the animal with the pelt of leadership. When those out of Stonehenge go in search of such a skin, they find themselves 8900 years to late, to Leo. Times of political brilliance can be named, Jupiter with his Confederation, Theos with his Legislature, Ra with his district Courts, or Ninurta with his fair taxes for public works. Stories told... Athena is another name for Ninurta's daughter: who wanted for all to read scrolls, and for copies to be made public, and Cities raised in refounded in name in a later age. Just as Abraham from Ur is not the first telling of that tail repeated at the stone for Thousands of years prior, until the real Abraham and Allah are found: keeping the covenant of story, by repeating it, elamites, and Essense, before pharisee of Tyre, or other branches of a regional memory. But Titans made that rock famous, with Map making, and State craft, God himself has no reportered mark there, yet people travelling from Twelve Tepe might have. God's commandments are the only valid Quotes from the man. Other than the oath of marriage, and the report of his deeds to go on, as reflected in those after, as repeated mistakes are made. God was never God king, he refused the role, instead he travelled and translated his laws to other tribes, forming the first nation. You have your reason, I use science(have mine), Euhemerus and Herodotus: exaggerated people from the past, watching men like Baphomet donate sperm, or Magic of the time when hypnosis. Answers to it all. But first this unsolicited commercial from our beloved duo from a supporter. Please, Join the page: facebook.com/9056569439/posts/10158966047849440/

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

Now that i watched nearly 32 minutes of Dan Mansfield's video i came to the following conclusions: a) He has no argument for his idea and there is no pythagorean calculation involved b) I lost half an hour of my life for this bullshit and you are unlikely to give it back

[@danielfmansfield]

If you were expecting the surveyor would say "and now I insert my Pythagorean triple into the field" then I suggest you look at the practice tablet YBC 8633. I would not necessarily expect a surveyor would perform a Pythagorean calculation on the field plan, instead I expect they would use the familiar triples they already knew.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

@@danielfmansfield I expect at least one occurance of the square over the hypotenuse (which is by definition what makes a Pythagorean calculation) because where there is none there is nothing Pythagorean. Finding a right triangle doesn't make a proof for Pythagorean calculations. Cases of "familiar triples" are like Muslim apologists proving General Relativity in the Quran or Christian apologists proving the Big Bang in Genesis or in other words: pseudoscience.

[@danielfmansfield]

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Traditionally, surveyors from this period only record the perpendicular sides of shapes. So I would expect the surveyor to omit the hypotenuse since all other contemporary surveyors do this. The first clue that something special is going on in Si.427 comes from the rectangles. Rectangles in other plans are slightly wonky, which you can see from their opposite sides which are never quite equal. On the other hand, in Si.427 the opposite sides of rectangles are actually equal. How could someone make rectangles with such accuracy? By using the sides of a Pythagorean triple. This is exactly what is happening in ancient Rome and India, and now we see it happening even earlier in Sippar. Also, I would distinguish between generating Pythagorean triples and using them. To generate a Pythagorean triple you would want to verify the square of the hypotenuse is the sum of the squares of the other sides. But to use one it is sufficient to recall certain configurations like 3-4-5, 5-12-13 and 8-15-17 without computing any squares (like in YBC 8633).

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

@@danielfmansfield Your claims are misleading and unjustified. You ignore what determines the shape of the area in question which is the presence of obstacles in nature not in its representation. The reason for all divisions and straigthenings on that tablet is one simple interrelation: Right angles allow the calculation of area by halving the product of the sides. That is all there is, and that is not related to the square on the hypotenuse.

[@danielfmansfield]

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 I believe we will have to agree to disagree.