The Far Right Goes Global: Anne Applebaum on Autocracy Inc. | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast

[@MustertheBrohirrim]

Im so glad Jon is still around and using his voice.

[@thomascromwell6840]

I didn't know a conversation on a show could be this enlightening and informative. This is a good show. Kudos to you.

[@GregoryWonderwheel]

If you think this is informative then you are brainwashed.

[@noneya313]

this is like watching a gimp get pegged

[@lbnbn5490]

that was an ABC….. an Absolutely Brilliant Conversation that was totally worth my time & attention this morning. Thank you

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@wilhouts6173]

Yes, we had 'norms'. An expectation of integrity and personal realization of what is right,doing what is right when no one is watching...

[@Aussie_Haire_Wood]

I love listening to Jon Stewart's pod casts. I try discussing similar topics with my friends and I receive responses like, "yeah, sure. Pass the remote so I can put a movie on and I will turn of the volume a bit." Now feel I have found my people, listening to Jon and his fantastic guests. HURRAH!

[@EricBarthDev]

I miss the Jon Stewart with integrity, you know, the man that wasnt afraid to criticise both sides, that talked sense, how many grains of gold to shut you up does it take? RIP. His staff is excessively woak which means they are ok with insulting people, being unprofessional, and they are warping Jon's common sense.

[@Aussie_Haire_Wood]

@@EricBarthDev Gosh I couldn’t disagree more. Jon Stewart has a completely different style of programming with his podcasts, compared to satirical, comedy current affairs programme. I see the same display of intrinsic understanding of issues, the same empathy for in need or being undermined by those who care little for anyone but themselves, and the same passion for maintaining democracy and fairness for all. Thankfully, I also see the same blatant criticism and true exposure of those who are so deserving. Does it still get a little caustic? Yes, with the ridicule and humour that targets in such a way that appropriate attention will be highlighted where change is necessary. Yeah, I am a fan. Perhaps those in need of criticism and ridiculing exposure are on a larger platform on the stage of Donald Trumpty Dumpty’s coat tails, causing Jon Stewart’s commentary to seem more one sided - less balanced. He still tells it from all perspectives because his discussions on topic, and interviews with guests, are thorough. Personally, the distortion of peoples’ empathy and conscious activism to counteract fascistic power schemes, into the description of “woak ” as a negative perspective is one sided and seemingly supportive of those outspoken numbers who LOVE free speech, provided it is in agreement with their perspective only. I hope the term “woak” soon disappears so people revert to accurate expressions of what they feel.

[@alalalala57]

​@@EricBarthDev Lmao, no. It seems you got warped between the "good ol days" and today.

[@dyrthos2955]

​@@EricBarthDev I don't think you've been in a writers room before. Also, this is his staff..HIS staff, it's people he chose to have around him not some network shill telling Jon to not be risky or pull pumches

[@docinparadise]

@@EricBarthDevdefine “woak” or woke, if that’s what you meant. Woke is defined as being aware of injustice or being open to admitting something is unjust. There are degrees, as there is with anything, as to what any given person sees as injustice. The idea is really “I’ll help you try to end the injustice that hurts you, and someone will hopefully help me if/when I’m ever being unfairly treated.” Woke is the opposite of indifference. It is anti-selfish. You don’t have to agree that a particular injustice needs to be fought right away, or at all, but you have to put yourself in someone’s place and admit that what is happening to them isn’t fair. Think about it like this…if laws are made that anyone having your hair color can’t get married, get a good job, join the military, get into a good school, get credit, or buy a house…you can dye your hair. But what if you couldn’t? And worse, What if everyone around you just didn’t care that the laws weren’t fair, and you just were stuck with your hair color and the discrimination that it brought? Wouldn’t you get angry? Wouldn’t you do whatever you could to wake people up to how unfair the laws were? If you can’t change your hair color you need to change the laws, and you need help for that. You need people to be aware of the problem. You need them to be “woke”.

[@kurt6230]

Jon: I am just joining you. I don’t know how long you have been doing this show. Ms. Applebaum is a really good guest and you have the time to do a proper interview. Great work!

[@mariahill3658]

I have heard many interviews with Ms. Applebaum. They are always interesting and informative but she seems like she is having a lot of fun in this one. Hanging out with Jon will have that effect!

[@jeffreylewis8019]

Of nostalgia, Don Delillo wrote in White Noise (1985): "Nostalgia is a product of dissatisfaction and rage. It's a settling of grievances between the present and the past. The more powerful the nostalgia, the closer you come to violence."

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@stephenhull2203]

Jon, I’ve recently discovered The Problem With Jon Stewart and am enjoying it immensely.

[@Paulg1354]

Grateful to you, Jon, for these insightful interviews…

[@ThysRoes]

Ugh. I'm at 30 minutes and already so sad this conversation is going to end. Jon Stewart - together with a small group of people - is able to have the best conversations with people.

[@priscillaweaver4653]

Just what I needed. This was my medicine and I’ll read some more. Ahéhee dóó beziil (thank you and gave me strength, in Diné bizaad - aka Navajo language) ❤😊

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@carlinggreen7679]

Anne rocks. Red Famine - Stalin's War On Ukraine details much of the foundation of Russia's current mental crisis. Her's is a very important and finely tuned voice. Keep on it Jon. Keep on it Anne. We need it.

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@petertobin7163]

Nato Nazi cretin

[@smokeyhoodoo]

Progressives and communistis killed Ukrainians and russians for being rural and white, in a lunatic attempt to end racism, and this ties into the current war between gog and magog. This is openly called for in 19th century left wing literature and also in the bible. "Villain" is an ethnic slur for rural white people. Russians arent mental, you are

[@bigollameo]

John is an important voice. Anne is neoconservative trash.

[@colleenpatten3826]

Thankyou Jon! History does not repeat itself. It is the people repeating history.

[@jefftaves4003]

Mr. Stewart, they will take down this ship unless persons such as yourself can get into the immediate political discussions. You're not crazy enough to take on this responsibility directly, but how about spearheading a coalition of like minded, rational people who can invade and take over the Democratic Party?

[@DennisMoore664]

Sorry - I'm hot sure if that's supposed to be a joke or you are taking a cliched aphorism literally. Either way it's a chance for me to get all pedantic up in here 😁. History repeating itself could also be about natural events like salmon returning to where they were born or disasters like active volcanoes or earthquakes that happen over and over again with the passing of time. But human history, ancient and modern, is the record of what some person or people did in the distant or recent past. So when someone says "history is repeating itself" they are saying that the modern historical action(s) or event(s) is/are a repetition, or at least similar to, the past historical action(s) or event(s). So you aren't wrong, but it's just easier to say the thing about history repeating itself - or rhyming.

[@Marijuanifornia]

Why don't all of you repeat a good piece of history and watch the 1942 USDA video *Hemp for Victory* and grow weed to fight against fascism again?

[@AliceinWonderlandzz]

Jon! The thing that the establishment in failed democracies do not see is that all of this anger and angst exists for a reason. That reason is we are not a representative democracy. We are a Tweedist Plutocracy - corporate, special interests and elites control elections through money. They own the process by which candidtates are presented for election. The representatives are bought and sold. The public is sold the illusion of choice but that veil has been lifted for a long time now. People understand that they are tied over a barrel and both sides take turns screwing them. The feeling that there is no escape, that there is no way for the system to correct, is what drives the anger and the willingness to follow demagogues - because we really do live under the thumb of an elite that makes the rules and suppresses the masses. I know you are aware of it. I don't have to lay out the case - you've seen the Princeton study showing the public has no effect on laws passed while elites get everything they want. There doesn't have to be a secret cabal - the system warps itself driven by self interested people who use the rules to gain power for themselves. So rail against the Plutocracy and the fact that we don't live in a representative democracy. Rail against the fact that if this not corrected the public will raise up someone willing to burn it all down. That is the root of the rot - not Trump or Stone or any of the other maggiots that feed off the suffering. Address the suffering itself - the average person knows he will be a slave excahnging labor just to live another day to work. Most people have no path to a better life for their children. Everyone sees the obscene level of wealth and self dealing in government and elite circles. That deserves to be burned down. But predators will harness that power and make it worse. Someone has to harness that power to make it better.

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@BigRalphSmith]

12:25 That's it right there; Oversimplification. Those who tend to fall for autocratic or fascist propaganda want all of their considerations boiled down to convenient slogans and memes. Don't make us have to think too hard about any of this, just make it easy. If it's too complex, then that just means you are trying to trick us by confusing us. Well, it's not easy and it's never been easy and it never will be. This is why education is always under attack from the right. "Don't give the sheep the knowledge needed to think through what we are selling all the way to a logical conclusion. Keep them confused and we can do that by hindering their ability to get an education".

[@timreyes2179]

The left does that too, the left loses a lot of numbers due to intellectual laziness that causes an inability to maintain dialog. That's why Paolo Freire said neither left nor right could be radical at the opening of Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Education can be used to indoctrinate or be used to promote freedom.

[@paulas_lens]

Exactly.

[@David-iv6je]

Excellent! I'm always amazed how the uneducated - and even many college education - do not understand the purpose of an education. They think of it like a vocation-technical training. And maybe it is given how many do it solely because their paycheck will be larger. But if you are doing it right your major does not matter, in some cases not at all. (STEM with its long train of cumulative knowledge is obviously different. And yet even there I know a history major who got an MD and a math major who got a PhD in Biology.)

[@grmpEqweer]

@@David-iv6je In the USA, a college degree can cost close to the price of a modest home, and take 30+ years to pay off. Most of us here have to view a degree as a highly expensive ticket to the middle class.☹️

[@mike60521x]

@@David-iv6je Your comment about a math major who got a PhD in biology - Both math and biology are STEM fields. It seems perfectly logical for a math major to have an interest in another science field - quite often people have split degrees in different fields.

[@stevekoehn1675]

A most interesting and intelligent discussion. Thanks Jon (the humor makes it go down easier!)

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@sheltonlovesr.8941]

Ikr

[@solarnaut]

I used to think, when given a choice, I'd rather laugh than cry ... increasingly I find it healthier to do both. Humanity and the reality of being conscious during this geologic blink of an eye is both AWESOME and tragically terrifying... enough to make you laugh until you cry (or vice versa?) B-)

[@veramae4098]

"... it's the normal desire of people in power to keep power." There have been some powerful exceptions. George Washington is my favorite President because he did nothing and he did it twice. After the Revolution he was offered virtual kingship, and he refused. When the original confederacy failed and a stronger central government was needed, the Constitution was created. Washington was chosen as President because EVERYONE trusted him. And after 2 terms, he refused power again. I know of only two others in history. Cincinnatus of Rome, and Nelson Mandela. No doubt there are others ... I hope so.

[@dthomas9230]

@@veramae4098 The late pope that died was the 1st one to retire.

[@shannontaflinger3374]

Hi! Great discussion, Jon - based on your comment about the “advancement of mob rule” and invention of the radio, I would highly recommend (to you and anyone reading this comment) Neil Postman’s book “Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business”. It was written in the 80s and details how public discourse has shifted overtime with the communication mediums we use. I think was way ahead of its time and even more relevant with todays social media landscape.

[@motionpictures6629]

I thought about Niall Ferguson's book "the square and the tower". It's exactly about how printing, radio and internet collapsed traditional authority and empowered the mob.

[@mtn1793]

But at the same time the decentralizing of information gives us the means to challenge the authority of power- the “tower”.

[@Rc3651]

Loved this, I think we need to have more open discussions about the rise of autocracy and fascism globally. Too many people are comfortable not caring, or actively avoid learning about it because it makes them anxious. But without their popular support I worry that our democratic institutions may crumble as we look on.

[@paulinetaylor451]

Excellent perspectives from both of you. Relieved to hear intelligent conversation. Thank you

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@paulinetaylor451]

@@dc4632 It would make it much easier to understand this reply if you stated your opinion as I do not know what you are referring to. The clarity of Jon and his guest are refreshing.

[@dc4632]

@@paulinetaylor451 I'm just asking his fans why he would give a medal of honor to a proud Ukrainian N@zi name ihor halushka

[@paulinetaylor451]

@@dc4632 I like it when people speak directly in clear statements. Thank you.

[@dc4632]

@@paulinetaylor451 i feel like i'm being pretty direct why in your opinion did jon stewart (a self identifying jewish man) give a medal for bravery to a Ukranian N@zi named ihor halushka on behalf of the DOD at Disney World?

[@ckruberg]

How refreshing. Jon Stewart is your national treasure. Our nearest here in Australia is Barrie Cassidy. We have major organised conservative right mischief here too. Bravo Jon.

[@randallsmith5631]

Jon has become a political leader for military veteran issues.

[@robertblanchard-lanoue0711]

Wow! Very enlightening, thank you Anne and Jon...

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@RJ-vn4zv]

Wonderful dialog, Jon and Anne! Part 2, please?!

[@George-2115]

Yes. This was an important conversation. Would also recommend that Jon do a podcast with Timothy Snyder.

[@justified1496]

He's a lying pos. So are his guests.

[@MitziHart]

Yes,… can we have some more please 😃

[@bluecrossmovement5324]

Find the Blue Cross Movement for Positive Equality. Its a Revolution, not the insurance company

[@Nepartinis]

Agree, they both see problem clearly.

[@nancysherry9088]

great discussion. Thanks miss Anne. Jon, you are amazing.

[@jameyfraser4353]

John points out a wonderful question around 13 minutes and Anne's response is fantastic.

[@andirey4834]

I wrote the text with a translator, I am very glad that you are releasing a video and expressing your opinion, I listen to videos with translation from the neural network, good luck and thank you. Periodically I watch the Tucker Carlson show, but his videos make me sad, and your editions of The Daily Show made me smile.

[@whispersmith]

Tucker Carlson is a firehose of pure bile

[@Zig_Was_Here]

More podcast drops like this please Jon!

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@Maddiehere89]

Omg. The best explanation of what is happening to the US that I have heard lately.

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

all over the western world incl. Brasil ex.....

[@8088I]

" Hope is a Verb! " 'A Call to Action!' -- Greta (Thurnberg) 👍

[@alalalala57]

​@@Dogrunningwild Too big for your head? Its OK.

[@noneya313]

hope is a noun

[@christophermurphy4511]

@@noneya313 You're one of my favorite trolls Noneya. I like to learn from your work. PS Hope can be a noun or a verb.

[@noneya313]

@@christophermurphy4511 it's always projection

[@christophermurphy4511]

@@noneya313 That was an awesome response. The psychology of it fascinates me. Take it easy Noneya.

[@sarahkidd917]

Such an incredible conversation!! Anne Applebaum is so incredibly smart on this subject and Stewart's ability to see nuanced links continues to impress me. Please read Twilight of Democracy because it both scares the crap out of me but also inspires me that we are still in the democracy game by recognizing the urgency of the moment.

[@curiouscat3384]

As usual, another brilliant, thoughtful, interesting interview. Love you Jon!

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@baileymclean8186]

Economists and business leaders are voicing concerns at the start of 2023 that the year could be a difficult one. JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Jamie Dimon said Tuesday that the Federal Reserve may need to raise interest rates to 6% to fight inflation, higher than the peak level between 5% and 5.5% in 2023 that most Fed officials penciled in after their December meeting. Although I read an article of people that grossed profits up to $500k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy/short now or put on a watchlist.

[@MIchaelGuzman737]

Emotionally-charged decisions to sell off large quantities of stocks or other investments now lock in your losses, removing any chance for future growth.

[@svengrot7943]

Very correct Lloyd; the bear market has contributed significantly to the growth of my investment. I was able to quickly increase my portfolio from $180K to $572K. Essentially, I was just doing as my financial advisor instructed. You're good to go as long as you get competent assistance.

[@baileymclean8186]

@@svengrot7943 Would it be okay if I asked you to recommend this specific advisor or company that you used their services? Seems you've figured it all out.

[@svengrot7943]

@@baileymclean8186 I won't pretend to know everything, though. Her name is "JILL MARIE CARROLL," but I won't say anything more. Most likely, you can find her basic information online; you are welcome to do further study.

[@spat726]

Wow 6%, big deal, My first mortgage was 11% back in the 80’s

[@bigdog44pc]

As Bluto said in Animal House, "nothing is over until we say it's over", we as in, WE THE PEOPLE.

[@danielbomgaars1008]

Anne is one of my favorite writers. Great discussion

[@justybee]

She is a national treasure!

[@George-2115]

Agreed! Timothy Snyder is another one I would recommend.

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

Except when it comes to the Hunter Biden laptop. Not to curious there.

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

@@justybee Not so much. She is a partisan hack.

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

@@George-2115 Is he awful as well?

[@steven.h0629]

❤ Team Jon .. Anne was fantastic.. thanks 👍😎✊

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@cindyarnold3003]

Appreciate you bringing us this information! Great show!

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@Soapandwater6]

I read Ms. Applebaum's book, The Twilight of Democracy. The thing that struck me most was her explanation of why some of us are attracted to authoritarianism. She said (paraphrasing) that about one-third of the population of any country has an authoritarian predisposition. Authoritarian predisposition favors homogeneity and order. Libertarian predisposition favors diversity and difference. Authoritarianism is NOT political. It appeals, simply, to people who cannot tolerate complexity. It is not right-wing or left-wing; it is a frame of mind, not a set of ideas. It is an instinct. Wow! This makes so much sense to me. I have been trying for so long to understand how all this could happen to the freedom loving people of the U.S.A. Thank you, Anne!

[@thinkingaboutit2991]

I don't know whether my own instinct fits with that idea, but I was slightly bothered when Jon Stewart suggested early on that it takes an angry mob to undermine democracy; I've long felt that most of us have an instinct to undermine it, simply because we have.a strong urge to see our beliefs prevail. My father was a very-well read centrist liberal and my mother a conservative daughter of a self-made man who had pulled himself up from abject poverty in the early part of the 20th Century. I am probably a left-wing liberal, but I get upset when friends suggest that all right-wingers are inherently bad or even evil people. My mother wasn't, and, indeed, I think I came to understand why she saw conservative politics as morally superior, even while I disagree with that view. If people begin to believe that people who don't hold their views must be immoral, corrupt, or even evil, then at some point doesn't the peaceful transfer of power, and with it democracy, break down? I hope I don't turn into an inveterate cynic, but don't we get the politicians we secretly desire, even if just because we refuse to vote for honest ones who tell us we need to pay more tax, for instance, if we wish to have better healthcare or defend our friends abroad for the sake of our own future?

[@kambrose1549]

That's what supporters of authoritarianism have in common with fundamentalists believers. You can just wave your belief flag and not think at all. Ready made ideology is the threat

[@christophermurphy4511]

Thank you soapandwater. I have been trying to make sense of why some people want kings instead of elected leaders.

[@thinkingaboutit2991]

@@christophermurphy4511 Or religion instead of science and doubt, for that matter.

[@Soapandwater6]

@@christophermurphy4511 makes sense, right?

[@timf3099]

I was tuning my 12-string guitar while listening to this discussion. The process of tuning relies on harmonic resonance to determine when each string is in-tune. Sympathetic sound waves reinforce one another, producing deeply resonant, harmonic chords inside the instrument. I realized that the global dissemination of ideas is very similar. Each "voice" in any political discussion passes from person to person in a pattern that mimics harmonic convergence. People find that they share a set of ideas/beliefs/values with many other people, and these shared beliefs become reinforced and amplified. A "gestalt".

[@ivandafoe5451]

Ok...then let's think of corporate propaganda as enforced autotune.

[@kodykindhart5644]

Did you tune into the fact that Jon Stewart is controlled opposition His brother is in finance and was a head of the nyse You think Apple is paying for an anti corporate agenda ??? Seriously you believe THEY want anyone speaking the TRUTH Especially someone THEY don’t own

[@Arcwol]

"Power doesn't want to cede itself." That is a perfect point. Put another way, advantage doesn't want to cede advantage.

[@charlesbaker5001]

Interesting and valid comments by Jon Stewart and his rigorous guest on today's politics. Thomas Hartman and Robert Reich both speak equally elegant.

[@gailremp8389]

Oh… In a way to understand. I am definitely a kick ass fighting Democrat. But I’m just tuning out all the crap trying to listen to Jon and other good people to figure out what an earth I can do as a crazy broad to keep us together here.

[@GB-TX]

I need to be in touch with this woman for my future PhD candidacy, STAT. thank you John for always bringing diverse and intelligent minds to your show.

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

Ask her about Hunter Bidens laptop. And how uninterested she was about it.

[@GB-TX]

Stop dwelling on the past and focus on what really matters to make effective changes to properly shape our future.

[@GB-TX]

@@dc4632 y'all are out of control. Be kind. Lead with love. (And intelligence) John has done exceptional things for people in this country. Vets especially. Give him respect. What have you done.

[@dc4632]

@@GB-TX why not just answer the question why would a self identifying Jewish man willingly give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi on behalf of the DOD?

[@macgraham4810]

It is so refreshing to hear this conversation. Please, do not underestimate the anti democratic influence of liberal democracies around the world.

[@LaoZi2023]

John still doesn't have 1 million subscribers?! Come on, people!! Slam that button!

[@kronos4907]

Love you Jon! Please keep on keeping on.

[@kurt6230]

Jon: You look much more comfortable here than you did on the last few years of the Daily Show. Perhaps it was the daily grind. Anyway, I’ve missed you. You put on a good show.

[@angelaasadi9283]

Great discussion! Very informative.

[@MitziHart]

Fascinating conversation 👏🏼

[@Lennybird91]

Good talk on democracy vs populism. The desire to remain in power isn't just for the evil but the good-intentioned. "if i just had a little more time, I could solve this problem..." it's an easy trap to fall into for anyone.

[@hapennysparrow]

Jon, you knocked it out of the park with this one. The question remains, How do we fight back? The autocrats have beaten us at our own game, so how do we regain autonomy?

[@13699111]

I've asked this question for the last 50 years your comment is on point

[@bluesun1291]

I would love for Jon to explore this as well. The only thing I can think of is the expansion of unions to the point that the public can hold general strikes to make demands that restore democracy.

[@13699111]

@@bluesun1291 I fully agree with your comment . I have many decussions with people about returning to the days of united we stand divided we fall as a country. Without a balance between capitalism and the social fabric global living standards for the majority of people don't exist sadly.

[@GuerillaBunny]

Some of my thoughts: First, we need to understand that autocracy isn't the root of a problem, but a symptom. It persists, because people think it provides value to society and their personal interests. And while autocracy is thus maintained, it's making its best to cultivate a population that wants it. One of the main cultivation strategies is controlling people's world views. Schools, media, religious institutions, and so on. The crucial element is hope. If you can believe in a brighter future, you're already resistant to the "solutions" autocrats are selling. But I can't stress this enough: I don't mean a brighter future that will just happen, but one that takes a lot of work and personal sacrifice, because our entire paradigm is built for cynicism and selfishness. It's a world-view cultivated with billions of dollars in advertisement, lobbying, corruption, and so on. Creature comforts are a drug to keep us docile. The road to a brighter future might sound dismal, but the alternative is more so: The belief that the cost of our well-being does not matter. That the people who work themselves to death for pennies so that we can have our iPhones and Playstations don't matter. That the environment doesn't matter. That is how people get tempted by xenophobic rhetoric, and sucked into fascism. It's a complicated issue, but it starts with the simplest factor: You. Join a union or start one. Don't become complacent. Get active in local communities. Be a voice for hope. We need to stand united, and we mustn't allow ourselves to succumb to despair.

[@kodykindhart5644]

Go vote blue no matter who Let them tell you how to live Vote red until your dead Let them show you how much not to give

[@titaniumteddybear]

Very interesting interview. I do wish that it had been mentioned that the Founding Fathers were also inspired by the Native American coalition of tribes, that had successfully mediated disputes for hundreds of years.

[@R.senals_Arsenal]

Our Bill of Rights is based on the laws of Cyrus the Great of Persia, but he doesn't get mentioned either and he was Thomas Jefferson's historical hero... Lots of people make up history and lots will be forgotten, but as long as some of us remember and it is written down, it isn't truly lost, and someday these facts and peoples will be remembered yet again. And forgotten again. And re-remembered. Sometimes misinterpreted. Over-acredited as well as under appreciated, but never truly lost forever.

[@DianaCHewitt]

In the Federalist Papers they also talked about the successes and failures of the Dutch republic

[@hapennysparrow]

It was the Iroquois nation that formed a confederation with surrounding tribes that utilized diplomacy and cooperation the end conflicts. Benjamin Franklin studied their confederation and sought to implement the Iriquois model into the Articles of Confederation that provided the scaffolding for the union of separate states under the auspices of a Federal Government. How tragic that the Europeans who built this Government did not continue to consult the wisdom of the native peoples, who lived side by side in peaceful respect, for the common good of its citizens and the land itself. Greed was a foreign concept.

[@andrewleyden2752]

This was an interesting conversation. In the West of Ireland, I recently made the acquaintance of a young man who said his ideal civilisation would be Orbán's Hungary. These toxic ideologies seem to reach people of a certain mindset or psychological predisposition. It is truly frightening how commonly they propagate.

[@cassieo4337]

In difficult times people tend to look up to the one who promises simple solutions to very complex issues.

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

I wonder if said young fella has ever been to Orbán’s Hungary (my guess is that he hasn’t). It’s quite the thing to hear this stuff coming from people from the West of Ireland (my home region), given that only a century ago, the Black and Tans were wandering round razing local businesses and terrorizing people. Or that less than 200 years ago, people there had no rights to their own land, many starving to death. One would have hoped that this historical memory would naturally instil empathy and understanding of other people’s troubles, but alas it’s not always the case.

[@daveretash9153]

Thank you, learning is exceptionally helpful for me and I wish every American could hear this because survival has and will take time and work.

[@danpawl2433]

Anne Applebaum is brilliant! Love her

[@johnheigis83]

The old time "musters" were where they resolved crucial issues, too. And, as a militia, were neighborhood incident management... comprehensive contingencies-management capabilities.

[@kvk1]

Very insightful interview, thank you.

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@bigbadborders]

Jon nails it at the end, from my point of view as a working-class dude.

[@leader95949]

The conversation ended where it should have begun. Financial power controlling government is not an accident and is not primarily Blue or Red. "We've done this to ourselves. " is to say we've allowed the government to do what financial powers want because we The People have allowed ourselves to be kept far away from the actual policies that decide what government should do and who should pay for it. We want benefits without responsibility, and we therefore get the government we deserve.

[@Herm7es]

This is a particularly valuable conversation! Thank you both...

[@0o0ification]

Wow, I needed this conversation, thanks! The Fukuyama reference really set my mind running; studying and discussing his missive was quite the cornerstone of my higher education. Perhaps the _End of History_ banner is still prescient forecasting, as the illiberal disinformation campaigns have since done a lot to rewrite history, often in real time too. The greatest enemy of the despot are still facts, reason, and accountability. Any shame or sense of duty of the figurehead is wiped away by the constant fear of (a) the empty core of their own fabricated image and (b) the whims of the powerful players that prop them up; this structure of power is not so different from a representative democracy, but that the mechanisms and compromises of power are to be put on public display for the good of the people. Here’s to another grand election in 2024 🇺🇸

[@mikemann1960]

Nice, consice post that's greatly needed.

[@alumpyhorse]

well said

[@waltergrace565]

Absolutely delusional.

[@SurfbyShootin]

This *Leibowitz* guy is great with words. I could listen to him all day! Much love from New York

[@JohnDoe-xo9so]

Totally mind-boggling discussion.

[@wegder]

Great choice, I have been hoping to hear from Anne.

[@baileyhallfilms]

such a brilliant diatribe between Jon and Anne, very intelligent and journalistic vision in their delivery.

[@SwarmerBees]

I was heavily involved in a political party on the left in New Zealand and was beginning to introduce social online tools for organizing. The misgivings I had was similar to that of an engineer working on the first atomic bomb- that if I was successful it was clear to me that all the other powers would have this tool and use it to collectivize people around their darker instincts. But I think Jon and Anne are right- it's a generic observation about information technology. We could just as well as be talking about printing press technology to generate pamphlets circulated during the French revolution. My fear was that those attempting to appeal to the darker angels of illiberalism were much more likely to triumph instead of those I wanted to assist- because illiberals in general tend to be more pragmatic and have much fewer idealistic inhibitions about using powerful tools to organize movements.

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

These people arent liberals, they are leftists like you.

[@SwarmerBees]

@@Andrew-fy9wu Wait. You think Applebaum is a leftist? Wow. An ex fellow at the American Enterprise Institute is actually a closet leftist. I gotcha. To you leftist is someone you violently disagree with, liberal means someone you vehemently disagree with, and so let me guess.. You think someone who is illiberal is someone you probably agree with?

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

@@SwarmerBees Liberals dont talk the nonsense she does. Like you, she talks nonsense.

[@SwarmerBees]

@@Andrew-fy9wu I understand. It's how the pamphleteers used language as how Father Coughlin did with radio. It's mostly birdsong for distinguishing one tribe from another. Simplified compression of terms into binary sets of categories where the concept of Reagan championing liberal democracy is unintelligible because he was not a liberal. But what is interesting in a multicultural society is that language used as birdsong is not unique to tribes like those following Orban, Putin, or Trump. The advantage of those groups on the "autocratic/ nationalistic" end of the spectrum is that they can leverage the ingrained hominid behavior pattern of dominance hierarchies- eg. the alpha male led pecking orders of great apes. This pattern generally doesn't work with "big tent" multicultural coalitions each with their own unique birdsong.

[@Andrew-fy9wu]

@@SwarmerBees As I said leftists talk nonsense. Thanks for confirming it.

[@RyanBartonGrimley]

So good! The sarcasm... laughing out loud in my office right now :)

[@gleekout00]

I force myself to listen to conservative talk radio on my way to work, just so I know what they're up to. It's scary. I'm glad Jon brought the conversation around to how powerful radio was, and still is. We need more of that.

[@kevinbailey3239]

Something my Mom taught me when I was young listening in on the way to school. Got to understand the other perspective and what's driving it to help change it.

[@pod8234]

Really? Like what are they planning for instance?

[@waltergrace565]

@@pod8234 Haha, you probably won't get an answer.

[@LowenKM]

@@waltergrace565 That's prolly 'cuz typical Right Wing ideology is more 'de-centralized', and they prefer to leave the dirty work to the occasional religious nutter or the usual 'Lone Gunman'.

[@waltergrace565]

@@LowenKM Haha.....right....... hilarious. Nice try though.

[@jakelilevjen9766]

We need our fourth estate to behave as Jon does: tell it like it is and how both sides are screwing up. Not pushing a narrative so their preferred political party stays in power while their audience becomes less informed and more divided.

[@SaltheartFoamfollower]

well.... that was very insightful, and extremely depressing 😞

[@oneirishpoet]

Yeah we're screwed, fortunately my wife and I recently bought a small house in the mountains of Costa Rica and plan to be living there full-time before the 2024 elections...will watch the collapse of American democracy from afar

[@Chris-gm4hk]

Yes humans have a long way to go. Stable civilization is still a dream. But we can't give up hope I guess.

[@oldrrocr]

even more depressing... MTG now has an oversight committee.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

24:40 Jon is more than ok with getting all the nuance, it's his best quality, so far as I'm concerned.

[@user-dg9pu4pe9d]

There was a Great Courses lecture series that I watch on the fall of the Roman Republic. It was fascinating and enlightening. It was not fall of the empire but the republic that came before. When we talk about Rome, we often talk emperors and the empire. What came before is so relevant to America. I need to find that so I can rewatch it.

[@michaelfritts6249]

Like all nations, government changes over time. It has been said that no republic has lasted more than 200 years.. The Roman senate gained control in 202 bce and a "wanna be" emperor was killed to keep that from happening and was fixed by Augustus in 27 bce .. who took the job.. 🤔😉 Oh Well... Be Well!!😂

[@hamiltonberger7389]

I'd like to hear a discussion with Thomas Frank about how populism is a "scam." Please. Have Ms Applebaum on as well. It'll be LIVELY.

[@steve-real]

12:49 “You had something that was better that was lost.” -Jon Stewart (The historian Timothy Snyder speaks of this idea repeatedly in his works. I find that theme of purity lost something worth understanding)

[@mzheatheness9231]

The one thing that binds them all is "arrogance/narcissism", that they know better than others how the world should work.

[@user-dg9pu4pe9d]

Thank you for another excellent episode.

[@paulmakinson1965]

Ideology is for the masses. Motivation is pure, unfettered power. When absolute power is achieved, it becomes so intoxicating that atrocities follow.

[@immabme100]

She made Jon laugh. Great conversation!

[@Jay-ft3xh]

Jon does a lot of good. He is generous and compassionate. Still, I don't think Jon Stewart has ever been so generous and charitable as to give this human power point a laugh. Kudos to Jon.

[@duncanscott3369]

Absolutely fascinating

[@TheORGANEZIZED]

Jon, this podcast was too short. Will there be a part 2?

[@Finkeldinken]

This is not the full podcast, it's just a big snippet. The full podcast link is in the description 🙂

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@michelekett8450]

Historically when has Democracy ever been ascendant? It’s only possible when people learn to accept each other and acknowledge their differences without judgement. We are in a Consciousness Shift and the future is about exactly that. Tyranny is on the skids. Humanity is on the rise. Love and compassion are the focus. Young people are now born understanding not just algorithms but acceptance.

[@nates9105]

Yes! Independant actors all acting together without knowing each other all in the aim for money, power, and dominance!

[@richtenbacker]

Great podcast(s) and BTW love the theme music - Spot on, John!

[@fleetze]

Great interview Jon thank you

[@tomglenn485]

Some of your better work Mr Stewart. A big 'hats off'. Quality Quality guest... to the ear there's a tinge of 'nussbaum in the applebaum'

[@vivalaleta]

Our forefathers didn't want a single despot but they did want a ruling elite.

[@WhiteCamry]

They wanted to preserve their own elites within their own states. But, yeah.

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@masternoob9673]

Exactly. Hello!! The Constitution was written back when minorities were still slaves. “All” Men Equal…Pfft 🙄

[@robertsteele474]

Hey John, does ASOV Battalion Sgt. First Class Ihor Halushka ring a bell? How about the “Heart of the Team” award at the annual Pentagon-sponsored “Warrior Games” held at Disney World in Orlando, Florida, on August 19-28?

[@fruitloops1481]

The best podcast out there!

[@stacywarren4739]

So glad you’re back

[@NewMessage]

As resources dwindle, it's just gonna get worse. So very much worse.

[@philippebrehier7386]

Yep. But not for all of us. Those who have the means to divide the crowds will just go on, business as usual.

[@Firedog-ny3cq]

Too many fu*king rats in the cage.

[@katharinephipps1637]

It would be interesting to have Yanis Varoufakis as a guest to talk about the rise and fall of the Golden Dam Party in Greece from the 1980s to its current status.

[@janheinbokel3969]

When you wanna get knowledge and wisdom Just hear to Jon Stewart

[@duncanscott3369]

Two incredibly intelligent people

[@gailremp8389]

Just what I needed today.

[@mireillelebeau2513]

Thank you Anne Applebaum

[@jerelbonner6716]

I read her book and heard Anne on EconTalk. It was very interesting and well thought out

[@firebird2]

There was a great deal of influence on FM radio in the '60s...also the story of Sugarman is relevant. It is important to see what is happening, yet still keep hope and action toward democratic societies.

[@dc4632]

Why did jon stewart a self identifying jewish person give a medal of honor to a Ukrainian N@zi?

[@bob88pct]

Jon loves having Neocons & Warmongers on his podcast.

[@littlestbroccoli]

She really helps you see the bigger international picture in ways we often don't think about in the US. Imagine being so full of oneself as to pursue a global oligarchy as your goal, and in this cynical way, too. Why are there even people like this in the world.

[@Chulitatr]

That's what happens when the Rules of Law are not enforced w/o fear or favor. The law breakers get in Congress to break the law.

[@rw9207]

It's so great to hear someone actually talking about the big picture and the REAL game being played, for once. All you ever hear is the Kabuki theatre circus, meant to distract us from the actual Geo political game, that defines everything down to local politics. .... Shake the noise, focus on the REAL! It's the only way to truly fix this.