Top 5 Hidden Early Signs That Ryder Was Going To Betray CJ- GTA San Andreas Lore Explained

[@theprofessional155]

This is also the two beta missions. Check out Real Kevin's channel. They show that Ryder was always intended to be a traitor/ Pier 69 Beta:kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4K5gaR4h6aHrqc Photo Opportunity Beta:kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5PToXmFdtWEqNk

[@AlexisStreams]

number 5 Ryder not bringing backup can be explained by Big Smoke or C.R.A.S.H. stalling him. Smoke, already working with the Ballas, could have deliberately delayed Ryder, convincing him to stay or giving him false information, preventing him from returning in time. Alternatively, C.R.A.S.H. could have interfered, using their influence to stop Ryder on his way back, further complicating his ability to help. This delay doesn’t indicate Ryder’s immediate betrayal but rather shows he was still in the middle of being manipulated. His eventual return to help CJ and Sweet in "Reuniting the Families" shows that he hadn’t fully betrayed them yet, with the true betrayal coming later in "The Green Sabre".

[@AlexisStreams]

number 4 Arguing that Ryder’s PCP use is a clear sign he would betray CJ doesn’t hold up when we consider Big Bear as an example. Bear, a former Grove Street member, was pressured into aligning with B-Dup and even got involved in drug use, but that doesn’t mean he betrayed CJ or the Grove Street family. In fact, Bear’s story shows that addiction and poor decisions don’t automatically lead to betrayal. Just like Bear eventually turned against B-Dup and sought help from CJ to get clean, Ryder’s drug use doesn’t automatically mean he was set to betray his friends. It reflects personal struggles and bad choices, but not necessarily a loss of loyalty. In Bear’s case, his relationship with CJ remained strong even after his struggles, showing that addiction and loyalty are separate issues. So, Ryder’s PCP use is more a reflection of his inner turmoil and reckless nature rather than an inevitable betrayal of CJ

[@ArcyGoldenSnowTV]

Kevin's beta content is outdated you can find out more beta stuff from TTDISA OV

[@AlexisStreams]

number 3 The idea that Big Smoke and Ryder intentionally abandoned CJ and Sweet at the motel doesn’t seem to hold much weight when considering the broader context. One possible explanation is that Big Smoke and Ryder may have been trying to lead the police away from the motel, where Sweet was holding an important meeting with Grove Street members. Their actions during the mission could be seen as an attempt to create enough distraction for Sweet and CJ to stay safe. However, as the situation unfolded and their efforts to mislead the cops didn’t work as planned, they ultimately returned to rescue CJ and Sweet. If Big Smoke and Ryder had truly intended to betray them, they likely would have fabricated an excuse for their failure to come back, perhaps even suggesting they were stalling the police to allow CJ to rescue Sweet on his own. In real life, and even in films, we often see characters-such as law enforcement agents-joining criminal organizations to infiltrate them and take them down from within. So, while their initial actions may seem suspicious, it doesn’t necessarily indicate betrayal. Instead, it could have been part of a bigger plan that ultimately involved helping CJ and Sweet. Things like this can happen in high-stress situations, and their eventual return suggests they might have been playing a more complex role than it initially appeared.

[@ayhamahmad2277]

Ryder missions helped cj and the others unlike smoke so i don't think Ryder betrayal was planned

[@thatoverweightguywitharms.7961]

I can think of why people (Myself included) believed Ryder wasn't meant to be a traitor, his betrayal was executed poorly, and prior to that, his missions revolve around benefiting the Grove, and he was very aggressive towards CJ for leaving Los Santos 5 years ago, same with Sweet. MC Eiht finished his role, so I guess Rockstar just screwed up the character, which is why the betrayal felt off, especially his death.

[@The_Li0ness]

Ik right Rockstar should’ve done better with Ryder after MC Eiht was leaving Rockstar like in the same mission The Green Sabre when Ryder is involved shooting the Ballas with Sweet & Cj or he dies at the process when Cj kills him if it was the same mission as Ryder would betray you that would’ve been a better send off to his character instead of getting Ryder to work with the Loco Syndicate

[@evil_resident9]

It seems clear to me that the original idea was for Ryder to stay loyal and die in the Green Sabre mission which would have explained why CJ only acknowledges Big Smoke's betrayal during that mission's cutscene and why Ryder is never mentioned by Sweet or anyone else again after that point in the game. But Rockstar must have changed their minds when Mc Eiht had already finished to record his voicelines so they placed some of the Ryder's lines they already had in a way just so it would have made his character have a few shady dialogues just so his betrayal could have been more believable for the player and they also had CJ and Cesar's voice actors record a couple more dialogues where they acknowledge Ryder being a traitor.

[@BillWilliamsonParody-cy5dg]

I wish Ryder rapped instead of Jeffrey.

[@GTAVictor9128]

Funnily enough, one of the songs featured in San Andreas is actually sung by MC Eiht - "Hood Took Me Under". In an alternate timeline, I like to imagine Ryder knocking OG Loc off the stage during House Party and start rapping that song himself to show how real rap is actually sung.

[@pooler57]

@@GTAVictor9128 and he also sang the GTA 5 theme song

[@RyanTheDark]

Ik Ryder was always meant to betray CJ but I wish he was written where he was actually a loyal but rough around the edges character and meets the Truth. They would have been an memorable duo for sure and so hilarious, but maybe Ryder could also slowly outgrow his addiction as time goes on, despite still having his chaotic personality.

[@Shakezulla]

Ikr he's basically eazy e

[@mrdorifto]

Listen to MC Eiht then

[@mustanggang5.0]

It was obvious MC Eiht was on good terms during San Andreas, because he was invited back to work with them again on gta V

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

If MC Eiht did had bad blood with rockstar games, then it wouldn’t make sense for him to return to rockstar for making a song or work on GTA V. Even having his old songs into a radio station called West Coast Classics.

[@holm-v4o]

Yeah, this rumor of Eiht leaving was extremely popular back in the 2010’s

[@RoyalRipper548]

In fact, the one in bad terms with Rockstar was Young Mailee

[@twinberwolves4231]

@@mustanggang5.0 MC Eiht has a track in Radio Los Santos too.

[@twinberwolves4231]

@@RoyalRipper548 As of late, as of late.

[@vanilladrop6766]

I was so innocent. I thought Ryder buried a legit water bottle

[@brandonperez8977]

Same, I don't know why those peoples makes dumb names to those garbage, but I guess it make sense where Sweet says "CJ, have you been hitting Ryder's wet stick!?" if you attacked one of the gangs who you have to recruit for the ambush mission

[@GTAVictor9128]

To be fair, unlike crack which is widely known even to lay-persons, PCP is much lesser known. So unless you happen to be already familiar with the drug and its effects, the average person has to do some research to figure out what is actually being referenced.

[@Gazpacho834]

@@brandonperez8977you never know if police or the feds are listening in so having a dumb name to illegal substance or items can probably help out in court

[@Nine9005]

The 2nd sign surprised me. I never notice that. Excellent video Pro!

[@Esmeralda505]

Honestly, Kendyl alludes her discomfort of dating one of Sweet and Carl's friends in the mission Cesar Vialpando when Sweet is trying to deter her from going to see Cesar. She literally mentions after Sweet says before she walks away. "I'm just trying to protect you." "From What? So I can date one of your mindless friends? I don't think so." Before she walks away. Whether she was referring to Ryder right there is a mystery, but it definitely gives the impression she may have been hinting about Ryder trying to basically get with her.

[@RoyalRipper548]

And Sweet as dumb, never digs it.

[@AlexisStreams]

which is perfectly normal maybe he was into her maybe he legit wanted to get with her but kendal turned him down then again he might have wanted to do more but again we dont know the full story about that

[@twinberwolves4231]

@@AlexisStreams But at the same time, you gotta think about it. Did Ryder respect CJ and Sweet, because Cesar did.

[@AlexisStreams]

@@twinberwolves4231 CJ no Ryder did not respect him Sweet honestly we dont know unless you have proof

[@twinberwolves4231]

@@AlexisStreams Ryder didn't respect either of them if he was trying to get with their sister.

[@SolidSnake240]

I always thought the writing regarding Ryder's betrayal felt a little sloppy. Its just seemed out of left field and CJ not mentioning Ryder felt weird. Guess they just had to cut some stuff that would've made it feel more coherent.

[@ayhamahmad2277]

They never mentioned him again and about cj sister came out nowhere

[@RyanTheDark]

Ik Ryder was always meant to betray CJ but I wish he was written where he was actually a loyal but rough around the edges character and meets the Truth. They would have been an memorable duo for sure and so hilarious, but maybe Ryder could also slowly outgrow his addiction as time goes on, despite still having his chaotic personality.

[@khonloi13]

I think Rockstar tried to add some flair to the storyline at the last minute when the game was in the final development stage. That explained the Ryder's arc poor writing and few plot holes in the final game.

[@SomeBuddy32_]

Hearing Pro say Bullsh*t was so out of left field lol. Anyway great video as always! Never thought about how the license plates in Groove Street all meant something.

[@TheMaleAlicorn]

Yeah, it's just me, but it's actually hilarious to finally hear him swear!

[@alkhoaja]

@@TheMaleAlicornhe use to curse a lot in his older videos too

[@serpentlord1312]

Another thing that foreshadows his betrayal Ryders real name is Lance and the only other Lance in the 3D Universe we know of betrayed Tommy in Vice City

[@RoyalRipper548]

Good was to reference the previous game

[@elitef40]

I always thought Ryder mentioning the green sabre was a way for him to gain their trust and Smoke knew it would backfire so he shuts him up. At least that's how I thought it went.

[@Walshy94]

I'm not sure why things changed. But Ryders death was meant to be how T-Bone died. When we kill Ryder just a few minutes later in the same mission, you can tell his lines, we're re-used lines as they just sounded a bit off

[@TheGravityShifter]

I can explain that very easily. It wouldn't feel as satisfying if we had to kill T-Bone while in control of CJ when we only just got to know him and intended to blast him anyway, compared to Ryder who was with us a lot in the Los Santos Chapter only to find out in its finale he was a traitor all along. Killing Ryder ourselves instead of in a cutscene makes it feel more personal because you as the player was also betrayed by him.

[@oui2611]

what i like about your videos is how informative but also how straight to the point things are. people sometimes fail to explain things simply and end up making things too complex for their own good.

[@GTAVictor9128]

Great video. Ryder is arguably the most misunderstood character in the whole game so videos like these are badly needed. Also shout-out to the channel KB Rando for being one of the first to debunk this Ryder betrayal myth.

[@Karpie44]

That's Interesting, I Always Thought Ryder Wasn't Meant To Be A Traitor Until A Few Months Ago When I Saw What MC Eiht Said.

[@ruben_zermeno]

38:47 I get your point, Pro. Many GTA fans (including myself) loved both Ryder and Big Smoke, because of how funny, memorable and unique were both of them in their own ways respectively. And I guess their betrayal was so painful for all of us to accept, to the point that it made us create our own alternative universes of GTA San Andreas which Ryder and Big Smoke never betrayed us, but some fans moved far away from the official timeline, that they decided to find an unintended excuse to think that Ryder in particular wasn't meant to betrayed us.

[@twinberwolves4231]

For those that need a quick reminder, MC Eiht has a track in the game on the Radio Los Santos radio station and returns in GTA V with a track on the West Coast Classics radio station. Yup, Ryder was toxic the whole time CJ returned. Bro was envious and jealous of CJ from the very beginning and was always ripping on CJ and giving him a hard time upon his return. He clearly didn't respect the Johnson family if he (on the affirmation of Cesar) tried to get with Kendl and if that was the case, it would've been horrible. While this is only speculation, going off of Ryder's personality, I wouldn't put it pass him. On top of that, Ryder is an idiot as he ignorantly and blatantly nearly revealed part of what happened during the drive-by on the night of the murder and who it was. Bro wanted to rob a pizza place and it's bad when even they know who you are, and even then, the employees weren't even the slightest bit intimidated by him, just fed up with him, then a shotgun entered the equation and he bailed. (Also he used CJ's name too) Bro wanted to rob a colonel and the army, which while they benefit Grove Street, this had put both of them (mainly CJ) at risk. Bro is also addicted to PCP (or sherm) as well as it gives you a heightened or false sense of impulsivity, paranoia, reflexion, invincibility, irritability and instability, though to be fair this is probably Ryder on a day-to-day basis. (CJ calls Ryder a "Shermhead" on at least three accounts, I think). CJ on one occasion tries to appeal to Ryder on a human level and have a genuine conversation with him about his PCP addition but partially due to the effects of Ryder's addiction and his own ego trip he refuses to listen to reason, while disrespecting CJ on top of that. Ryder's fate would then be foreshadowed by CJ on that very dawn. "One day, you gonna really wish you hadn't pissed me off." Ryder carries the embodiment and holds the distinction of someone who is a narcissist, egocentric, toxic, cowardly, attention seeking, can't fill shoes too big, has a superiority-inferiority complex and a hypocrite all in one. Upon confrontation in "Pier 69", bro runs from CJ instead of handling business and his retort is "C-can't stop me!" like he thinks he's invincible and untouchable, sheer egoism.

[@emanuelespinoza9325]

Perhaps, but there could have been more to that in that mission rather than use recycled lines.

[@Ivan-M]

Hell yeah, the lore is finally here, busta

[@themister.s-1st]

During that Meeting with the other Gangs mission. CJ: I ain’t leaving my brother, I ain’t no busta. Ryder: it’s every muva-fucka for themselves!!

[@IvaraGG]

Pretty cool video, i knew about the PCP addiction because of a video called like: The Disturbing Truth About Ryder's Betrayal, i'm glad that the lore video is finally posted in public, the can't stop me isn't something i saw coming like an early sign

[@justinsimmonds5674]

Very interesting lore video. I never believed that Ryder wasn’t meant to betray CJ. On point 5 (not bringing promised backup), I think he actually did promise backup… but not for Grove Street Families. He promised it to the Ballas. I think Ryder actually knew of the incoming Ballas attack prior to that house party.

[@aastik99]

Maybe All Ballas were wiped out before बैकअप coming

[@justinsimmonds5674]

@@aastik99 Doubt it. If backup did come, there would have been more GSF before the end of the shooting.

[@JaelaOrdo]

Been waiting for this one, thank god KZbin finally stopped with the nonsense and you could post it, keep making great content Professional 👍🏾

[@mcdonaldsnerd6114]

I liked the idea that Ryder was a traitor was a traitor. I even think he is a better villain then Big Smoke, but his death was executed poorly.

[@nawazeeshali4340]

7:11 Ryder momentarily slipped that CJ didn't know whats going on, CJ immediately ask what that means and Ryder diverts it away! Spot on Pro, really enjoyed the lore.

[@OhyeahMrKrabz]

The Professional's GTA lore videos are always so good

[@louisnapolitano]

Very true @OhyeahMrKrabz

[@DummyWasting]

Ryder's betrayal felt sloppy because he wasn't suppose to be there at the Green Sabre cutscene. Then, the mission about his betrayal and teaming with Mike Toreno's drug party was supposed to be with CJ and Cesar in a helicopter. Also, Ryder was supposed to be killed where T-Bone were, but R* decided to change that mission too.

[@SureShot-x3c]

If they ever remake San Andreas, I would love to see Ryder contribute more to the plot. I love Ryder as a character, and I always like to see him insulting CJ as coming from a place of love and honesty rather than disrespect. I admittedly want him celebrating rags to riches like the rest of the gang at the end of the game. His character in San Andreas always felt unfulfilled.

[@GamerDream530]

Professional I love this video explaining but can you make a lore video explaining why Lance betray Tommy and a lore video explaining Vic Vance

[@Dimsky-t8k]

I still don't understand why Ryder isn't mentioned by CJ even if he is a traitor in the first place

[@GTAVictor9128]

Originally, his betrayal was only supposed to be revealed on Photo Opportunity - which was also supposed to be done in a helicopter which explains CJ and Cesar shouting at each other. But for whatever reason, they added him to The Green Sabre cutscene last-minute but didn't have the time to update the dialogue - hence the lack of acknowledgement until Photo Opportunity.

[@Dimsky-t8k]

​@@GTAVictor9128 Not only on the Green Sabre mission, but also the later missions. When he release Sweet from prison he didn't even mention Ryder by the slightest

[@mqr1939]

Well, maybe because he's a douche, a bastard, a busta and, overall, a pretty despicable individual? Or perhaps because Tenpenny and Smoke were actual threats to Los Santos as a whole, unlike Ryder, who was nothing but a clown and a puppet to both Tenpenny and Smoke!

[@TheGenieOfZahramayFalls_SLS]

This video reminds me of the TOP Hidden Signs That Big Smoke could betray CJ, and TOP Hidden Signs that Michelle/Karen Daniels is a Government agent for the IAA. Great Lore video, Pro! 😎💟

[@CompositeCreativity]

Yes, he made both of those.

[@TheMadeMan5685]

Ryder probably also wanted to attack and rob Well Stacked Pizza because one of their employees insulted his precious weed and he just could not get over it. And just used the painted over tags as an excuse.

[@CarlZone]

Never knew this

[@farre2409]

There is no way you uploaded another banger like this, a few days ago I was talking with a friend about your channel, remembering the old days when you did the gta san andreas analysis videos and how much we enjoyed them. Then you upload another one, what a weird coincidence lol.

[@GamerDream530]

5 signs that Ryder is gonna betray CJ? I didn’t heard that coming

[@mikeehrmantraut1899]

Also Ryder has no regret at all when he betrays both Sweet and CJ

[@gamingjayden3591]

Finally another gta lore video! Thank you Professional!👍🏽🔥🔥😁

[@theshamegame2787]

I think most of these takes are overlooked. Ryder was added to the game very last second, which is why alot of characters don't interact with him. He was either supposed to be killed off in the fight during Green Sabre fighting for Grove, or eventually decided to join up with the rival gangs, not necessarily a traitor from the start (hence why he's a very reliable key member in helping the Grove) but eventually doing whatever it took to get his fix on, which is why he was originally shown a traitor during Photo Opportunity. He may or may not have been a traitor from the start when his character was in development, but he was always erratic, careless and paranoid. Him bailing on CJ and Sweet during Reuniting the Families is probably the most accurate take, though.

[@QuicklyFreeze]

lets go another lore video

[@Kayton-gs9mh]

I love professional’s gta lore videos

[@BrennanPaszko]

Hopefully more RDR ones

[@QuicklyFreeze]

@@Kayton-gs9mh goated might become a member

[@QuicklyFreeze]

@ never getting any rdr

[@TheJoker12323]

go where? (sarcasm)

[@ColinWard-yg6mr]

Amazing video pro loved it keep up the content my man love your videos so glad I’m an official channel member!

[@GeneralIkaika]

6:53 I don't think Ryder's dipping his blunt into PCP during that scene so much as extinguishing it in the ash tray we see earlier. You see him tucking it into his ear afterwards. I could be wrong as I know very little about PCP, but from what I can tell when weed is laced with PCP it needs to be dried first. This would likely be done long beforehand to either the weed going into the joint, or an entire unsmoked joint would be dipped then allowed to dry out. I don't know how flammable PCP is on it's own, but when he's making it and gets near the cook batch with his lit blunt CJ says 'Man don't do that! You'll sauté the both of us.' which implies that at least while it's being made it's highly flammable. If it is then dipping a lit blunt into it would have caused a fire at the very least and burned his supply, while he's fucking stupid an addict wouldn't endanger their stash in such a way.

[@andreww1001]

Exactly what I said. People can obviously see what’s going on so I think progressional is trying to reach for content.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

*Insert CJ's angry yelling at Ryder in Photo Opportunity, only good thing about that garbage mission honestly*

[@premiumdude8353]

Stop exaggerating. You're misusing the word garbage. Zero's missions are a million times worse than that photo mission.

[@Acanofalconpunch]

We meet again, croissant taker

[@IronicalChronical]

“RYDER, you shirmhead!!!! RYDER, lil bish!!!”

[@ImadIbnArezki]

​@@premiumdude8353 Absolutely not, objectively i mean... Unless you don't know Zero's missions are optional unlike this mission

[@spaceacepl4636]

​@@premiumdude8353 come on, supply lines has an rc plane which has autoaim bullets as far as i'm aware the rc plane with bombs from gta vice city is way worse and zero's missions ain't that bad, at least when compared to the lowrider rhythm game which is impossible without rebinding the controls, because 2 buttons are bound to the wrong thing by default

[@Krezzing]

I'm glad this is finally out 🙏 Eating good today

[@Thomas20Smith]

It would've been better if they kept the Photo Opportunity betrayal because it would've been better honestly. Never really thought about that OJ Loc sign, I thought it was that we ended the threat before he could return. And I was always hoping to meet LB in the game but it's possible that he's a Balla who got much of his information from Tenpenny who's wants is to keep some type of "balance" between the gangs while keeping Big Smoke on a leash and getting his cut of Big Smoke's profit.

[@darkoscz8191]

Hello TheProfessional, it niceto see another video of this style. Can you do character analysis about Stretch or Lamar Davis in GTA V? Decision is yours, have a great day or night

[@DomSte128]

It's curious how almost all of CJ's closest's childhood friends betrayed him (Big Smoke, Ryder, OG Loc, B Dup), but found loyalty and friendship from "outside" with Cesar (latino),i Woozie (asian), Truth (white) and Mad Dogg. Each one of these new friends are some sort of "replacement" of the old ones. Cesar was kinda like a new brother for CJ, because Sweet was in jail. Woozie was a new Big Smoke, due to him being smart and had the resourses. Truth was a new Ryder due to him also being a pothead and conspiracist. Mad Dogg was a new OG Loc, but actually talented.

[@ghjklkop7868]

Uzi XDDD (it's Woozie / Wu Zi Mu btw...)

[@DomSte128]

@ghjklkop7868 oh shit, you're absolutely right hahahaha

[@kingash9831]

Well when you put it like that It's because CJ actually saw the good in those guys And didn't really assume they were bad people Since CJ got to know guys like Cesar or Mad Dogg himself CJ was basically lied to multiple times And realised who his real friends are.

[@Skully399-z6e]

Even Kent Paul, Ken Rosenberg and Maccer who can’t even stop giving himself a bit are good friends

[@kingash9831]

@@Skully399-z6e Kind of like when Nico Bellic actually realised that Ivan was being manipulated by Vlad, Nico realised, he wasn't a bad guy at all And didn't wanna be fooled by Vlad's lies and manipulation behind it. Never assume someone until you know them personally for who they are

[@chasekemmerling1676]

this is a great video and i hope it gets as many views as the big smoke one did. And i gotta say it looks way better now 3 years after it came out 2:17

[@vito3628]

Honestly l actually believed this theory that Rider was not supposed to betray CJ due to the actor being unhappy with Rockstar games payment. Because l know a lot of actors were unhappy with Rockstar.But after watching the video l am glad that was not the case! I even saw some comments that said that he voiced other characters in GTA 5!

[@AgentReaper14]

PS4 and PS5 on active online right now finally😂

[@ryuji8438]

You cannot really trust a person that's constantly smoking - making his/her mind unstable and becoming addicted

[@alifnajmi1997]

As usual, Patrick always making a banger videos for us and we all know that Ryder almost slipped out about his own betrayal towards CJ but it's feels so weird to see where CJ and others never mentioned him at all (I feel that his betrayal was sloppy, messy and etc)

[@yd_vibezz]

been waiting for a cool minute for this video 🔥🔥

[@RyanMiahH]

This was worth the wait

[@TheRealYZY]

Pro back at it again with another interesting lore video.

[@wolfstar2603]

But Ryder’s missions don’t make a lot of sense from betrayal POV All the missions we did for Ryder were aimed at improving the condition of Groove Street Gang unlike Smoke’s whose missions were not linked to the Gang at all Unlike Smoke Ryder did show his hatred and anger towards the rival gangs especially Ballas You can’t directly ignore these points as well

[@kingash9831]

But here's the thing also Ryder and Smoke are the same two people who ran away When they didn't wanna help CJ by the motel If he really cared about Grove Street, why didn't he help CJ and Sweet Not to mention, he mentions that CJ is a buster But he was hiding more shady stuff about him too. He was just as much of a traitor too

[@wolfstar2603]

@kingash9831 Smoke was the one who forced Ryder into the whole mess and even tied him up with drugs and others while holding him with threats and warning him about opening his mouth in front of CJ and Sweet Also if you think about the "buster" part then it was in jest and banter like friends do in real life. Also the Motel part I think it was Smoke who ran away while Ryder fitted the Ak on the roof remember? Also numerous times it was said that the character of Ryder was never taken seriously in the whole series Smoke was the one who trapped Ryder there and even in the Introduction Ryder wasn't keen on doing the betrayal there Also if you notice the dialogue of Pier 69 then Ryder's lines were limited and judging by those limited lines they were taken from either Catalyst or Robbing Uncle Sam mission Ryder was in some way similar to Lance but I don't think that Ryder ever wanted to betray the gang I only wish that the character of Ryder was surplus to them then they could have killed him in the gangwar instead of that messy sh*t Also Ryder was a coward like some guys are real life but he was never a traitor

[@kingash9831]

@wolfstar2603 Yes Smoke is the one who of course was mainly behind the deals with Tenpenny And Ballas territory But Ryder could literally have backed out from it And yes, Big Smoke was also the same guy who lied multiple times But the thing is Ryder simply got the drug addiction to his head Think about it. When you deal with drugs, that's how you lead towards the wrong pack of friends you are surrounded with It's the same way, he could have probably stuck to his word multiple times But ended up doing his friends dirty Is it Ryder's fault entirely? No it wasn't But saying, he wasn't a traitor, I wouldn't say that though. Cause I mean, he was also the one who constantly mocked CJ multiple times in the game But I get what you mean

[@doom-c4h]

I think LB is a Seville family the answer is the garage his garage is on the turf of the Seville family and the Seville were green

[@AlfieTrevor4444]

It's still odd that CJ never tells Sweet about Ryder's betrayal or death even AFTER *Pier 69* and it's also odd how Sweet never mentions him.

[@SupportGamin2025]

It's odd because it's clearly obvious Ryder wasn't supposed to betray Grove street...smh

[@AlfieTrevor4444]

@SupportGamin2025 ye I don't think he was supposed to at first either

[@louisnapolitano]

CJ also had great chemistry with Ryder and it was heartwarming to see him trying to warn Ryder

[@Loadarine]

You could make a Stretch lore video GTA 5.

[@LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04]

Ahh finally. The Professional has won the claim!😃😊

[@biggy_smals]

great vid on san andreas, love your stuff man.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

In my gta verse, Ryder was more of a loyal Grove Street Families gangster. Ryder was a scumbag but he was as loyal to the gang set as Sweet and CJ. But the real Grove Street traitors Big Smoke and LB, plan to rid of the three anti drug gangsters of the set. Ryder was high on PCP and weed. And so his drug addiction would make him a liability from both the Johnson brothers and LB and Big Smoke. Also paranoia affects his mindset. All due to finding out that Big Smoke and LB are traitors and possibly the ones responsible for having the Ballas driving a green sabre and his drug use makes him look suspicious and some grove street families gangsters look at Ryder as the traitor. But when the Mulholland intersection shootout occurs, Ryder sees LB with the green sabre and would attempt to shoot CJ and Ryder. But Ryder saves CJ with bullets hitting Ryder himself and Ryder dying seeing CJ that he ain’t a busta.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

So Ryder never died as a traitor. Instead he died as a martyr to CJ. Ryder was a conflicted OG. He was swayed by Big Smoke to sell crack but he was loyal to Sweet. So he was conflicted with both the OGs who have different agendas and so it contributed to his drug addiction. Oversmoking that sherm of his. Plus he was a loud mouth at times, that he wanted CJ to figure out that Big Smoke was going to betray Grove street for the crack empire. Ryder was no snitch. But wanted CJ and Sweet to put two and two together and discover Big Smokes a Judas. Despite how Ryder treated CJ like trash, it’s because he missed CJ many years ago. Of him running away after letting Brian die. So CJ would later return to LS and pickup Sweet to head towards his new mansion and Sweet calls CJ out. Saying that you’re disrespecting your late friend Ryder in keeping Grove Street clean. CJ decides to stay in Grove Street in memory of Ryder.

[@Skully399-z6e]

The LB being a traitor part reminds me of Tightened’Reas

[@youngbull914]

6:54 actually he’s not dipping his blunt in pcp if you notice it’s smoking at first and in ryders mouth then he puts the blunt out in the ashtray and then stores it in his ear to smoke the rest later. i can see why you thought he was dipping the blunt tho.

[@RoyalRipper548]

I thought he was in the side effects of pcp, and the water was an hallucination

[@doom-c4h]

I love this your always cool Patrick no matter what

[@jdawgg9992]

Well worth the wait man, awesome job as always 🤠👉

[@imagamershorts]

14:29 notice that Ryder said (it's every man for himself) that's another hint.

[@KiseanNicholson]

Love the vid pro

[@cccmmm1093]

Great video, Professional! I think you're off though with number 2. I don't think there was anything sus with Ryder talking about the green sabre because he would've obviously heard stuff from people around the shooting (there's a grove member who witnesses it in the intro along with people outside of their houses along Grove) I don't think Ryder would've doubled down on talking about it after Smoke tried to hint to him the first time if that was the case. Even though Smoke was wanting the conversation to stop because it was making him nervous and uncomfortable, I saw it more as Ryder not wanting to keep talking about Sweet's mum's death in front of him. I always saw it as Ryder was getting groomed more and more by Smoke to betray/join up with him as time went on, especially because the intro is showing Smoke trying to persuade not only Ryder but Sweet as well to do things differently. Could just be me though, I always viewed the betrayal as just a build up of Smoke's manipulation, so around the start of the game Ryder wasn't completely gone yet.

[@Puxi]

5:22 That pcp douced reefer is what ryder means with "water"

[@RazSofer-xh3qs]

Same old Ryder! Busta, straight Busta!

[@zorgapb4691]

This begs one question. Why didn't Sweet ask about Ryder after CJ picked him up from police station? He only mentioned Smoke. According to this Sweet doesn't even know that Ryder is dead

[@Beast.8620]

You can tell TheProfessional doesn't smoke when he calls them "weed blunt cigarettes"😂

[@videogamemadness1582]

You know I actually made a similar video to this before although it was about the character as a whole. It's nice to know I'm not the only one that thinks Ryder was a villain from the beginning. Great video professional.

[@miguelpasamano4995]

Thank you! I'm so sick of GTA players acting like Ryder wasn't a traitor all along!

[@onlyechadtherebellious2467]

It annoys me to a degree.

[@miguelpasamano4995]

It annoys the mo'fuckin' shit outta me specially when Ryder's behavior was always just as suspect as Smoke's!

[@onlyechadtherebellious2467]

@@miguelpasamano4995 Oh yeah, that I can see.

[@Skully399-z6e]

Traitors can be anyone, even someone who benefits your gang.

[@jadavella4623]

Finally the Ryder video is out! Thank you Pro for this awesome lore video 💯

[@xetyres]

@Theprofessional awesome video 💯

[@Skully399-z6e]

32:38 Lol that Vagos member is helping CJ kill the Seville Boulevard Families members

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

I would agree about why Ryder would betray Sweet and CJ and corrupt Grove Street Families. As the other Families set would be okay with the crack trade.

[@GamerDream530]

Yoo professional it’s been a long time

[@GhaisSultan]

Finally. Have been waiting for this pro. Thanks for the good content and good lore video

[@MrN0where]

Great video on Ryder. Despite on what the community said that Ryder wasn’t going to be a traitor, I had suspicions that he always meant to be traitor. This video clears a lot of things up.

[@CompositeCreativity]

The community ignorantly buys into all these baseless rumors about Rockstar and the actors having “issues” behind the scenes even in spite of the fact that multiple actors who’ve taken part in GTA games have denied them.

[@KnownAsAlex_]

Your video has opened my eyes on Ryder’s character. You did a brilliant job with putting all the observations together 👍

[@phenom504]

I feel that one reason that CJ doesn’t react as strongly to Ryder’s betrayal or say his name in the Green Sabre mission is because I think he was more genuinely shocked about Big Smoke being a traitor over Ryder. Ryder is a dick towards CJ in the story before this so deep down it didn’t really surprise CJ that much once he saw him there. I’m sure Ryder’s habits plus the way he treated CJ didn’t rub him the right way.

[@jonnyg9865]

Ryder wasn't supposed to be in the Green Sabre cut scene, only Smoke. That's why nothing is said about him. CJ wasn't supposed to discover Ryder's treachery until Photo Opportunity where he had plenty to say about him there. You'll also notice CJ is inexplicably yelling during this mission because it was originally supposed to take place in a helicopter. Things got moved around, but the dialogue remained the same which is why it's all off.

[@Luke_Crmwl123]

Finall another lore vid

[@Rares_G4H]

Thanks for explaining the Sherm sticks and Ryder's homie LB. I was wondering what's the story behind these.

[@masonreyes9612]

This Ryder lore video will hit millions of views along with the big smoke lore video

[@louisnapolitano]

Ryder is a weird antagonist as he doesn't even say new lines I don't think he was supposed to be an antagonist as we were gonna play as Ryder like the switching of characters in GTA V but because they couldn't do that they decided to make Ryder an antagonist

[@HeySlickThatsMe]

There's nothing to suggest that Ryder would've been a playable character The lines he says in Pier69 are "new", they're only rough because the mission had T-Bone and Ryder swapped late in dev so they couldn't record new lines for it and had to use what was already recorded for THIS mission

[@granolabarhdstb9707]

Thanks for uploading Pro. I work 13hrs a day on my business and I ran outta back round noise, all the songs on the radio are the same. - Matthew

[@catox9117]

Amazing lore video as always. The points you mentioned really makes lot of sense to me and after watching this, no questionmarks left about ryder. Except one thing, in this whole smoke and ryder betrayal event, the green sabre attack on Johnsons house didn't make sense because if ryder and smoke was aware of what is going to happen, how ballas mistaken about sweets place? Sweet was only obstacle to whole drug empire plan after all. Only answer in my opinion is, as all we know smoke tried to change sweets mind about crack business at numereous occasions, it could be possible that Smoke didn’t tell crash about sweets actual place, so he could give his homie one more chance.

[@DomSte128]

Ryder called CJ a "busta" (coward, weakling) for the entire game, but he showed to be the biggest busta in the entire crew.

[@rangerv1]

Also note that Big Smoke isn’t in the cutscene for drive by, he just appears

[@andreww1001]

On sign 4, he wasn’t dipping it in PCP, it was lit and he was putting it out as he put it on his ear next.

[@jaymac7203]

So ironically it was Smoke and Ryder who were the Busta's 🤔 lol

[@nazrizulkhairi2255]

I hope you can do Lore video for Lance Vance, looking forward

[@asivus]

great video, professional!

[@FarhanSyaputra-li1be]

I hope the video of San Andreas introduction scene (at Number 1) won't get copyrighted like previous lore, and I like your video lore, Pro😊

[@RoyalRipper548]

2:05 😊you started well the rebuttal commenting the repetitive complains fans have of the lines

[@deadundead4810]

You should do a video of most evil GTA villains

[@joshuahughes5647]

I think a character analysis of Ryder would be a great idea. This video alongside that would bury all the arguments of Ryder never meaning to betray sweet. Also i didn’t know Ryder was on PCP

[@agent_vucko]

great video!

[@VontrellGoddamn]

Damn i didn’t know sum of this. I want your interpretation of the betrayal with Billy and Johnny

[@pepijn23]

Ryder mentioning the Green Sabre wasn’t too out of place, there were probably witnesses on the street that saw the car, and that’s what Ryder probably also heard, but the fact he shuts up after Big Smoke talks him out of it and he immediately does is a red flag.