Can Diet Alone Cure Cancer? | Dr. Krystle Zuniga | The Proof Podcast EP

[@jeanv2929]

The reason there is not enough research on ketogenic, fasting and/or dietary restrictions is because there is no monetary beneficiary to such trails. However there are testimonials of individuals using dietary modalities that produced beneficial outcomes without the side effects of traditional medical treatments. Why not encourage both medical and holistic treatments?

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

Steve Jobs did this when he shunned modern medicine and instead chose to try to beat pancreatic cancer with diet intervention. Do you have any example of a person(s) who did beat pancreatic cancer with nutritional intervention alone?

[@Rainbow_Water_Temple]

This was confusing. Cancer treatment in the US is very expensive and you can’t blame people for trying to look for something they can afford. Cancer is big business. My cousin was offered an incredibly expensive new therapy for liver cancer, which did nothing to extend her life, and now her husband is left alone and has to try to pay off that debt. At least a juice cleanse wouldn’t have been so expensive.

[@Amshatelia88]

That's a really good point, and I'm sorry for your loss.

[@lynlawley8903]

Metabolic diet is a must and low carbs and no sugars

[@LR-je7nn]

I'm 75 and thinking about a 100 day juice fast for my "incurable" liver cancer. Don't know if I would give up my eggs and avocado for breakfast though.

[@lf7065]

Chemo therapy is covered by insurance here in the US. Even immunotherapy is!

[@LR-je7nn]

@@Caladcholg My liver cancer affects one healthy person in five million. My Advanced Medicine Oncologist called it incurable. I am lowering my tumor markers with the tasty high sugar, actually xylitol and honey. I eat just about everything. In between the tasty food I slip in powerful supplements that I believe are killing the cancer. I had done a couple of five day water fast that didn't even dent the Fibrolamellar liver cancer.

[@aghaalihassan8712]

I have a different point of view. I was diagnosed with Blood cancer in Jul 2019 and its Jul 2023 and I am managing my cancer with help of strict diet control. No doubt I had limited targeted treatment as well but the fact is that 75 % cancers are due to wrong diet. Moreover, carbohydrates are main food for cancer cells and a very low carb or keto diet really helps control cancer development and progression. So in my case targeted treatment along with controlled diet has been very helpful till date.

[@emmanuelking9988]

I have multiple myeloma and I'm doing both conventional treatment and holistic protocols...any advice you can share would be greatly appreciated 🙏🙏

[@betzib8021]

The problem with this message is that different diets have not been examined and the stories of people who HAVE cured their cancer are blanketly discounted. Professionals like this have so married their bias that they aren't looking at the stories of patients who report cures with any serious intent. No they don't have the validations they need...but with some effort professionals could get that validation. Yet they never make that effort. This is a variety of professionalism that masks a lot of smugness. In years and years...we have made so little progress due to attitudes like this.

[@betzib8021]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill sure hope it continues

[@betzib8021]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill that is certainly good to know...and encouraging for this population...but has nothing to do with my comment.

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill (This is not intended as a belligerent comment.) I've encountered contrary opinion from medical/scientific professionals who for specific reasons object to the manner in which such statistics are compiled and weighed. As a layman, I cannot mediate between their opinion and yours, but would only ask that you keep an eye out for such opinion among your peers and consider it when you encounter it too. Skewing of statistics, either deliberate or inadvertent, is not unknown in our world, and there is also such a thing as making an honest mistake or in imbibing someone else's information which is to some degree inaccurate/unreliable. So I'm not claiming fault here. One voice expressing a contrary opinion on the current trend in rates of cancer incidence is Thomas Seyfried, who was asked within the first few minutes of the following interview 'if we are winning the war on cancer' or not: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3-YaaeQa8mmpqM

[@esvedra2419]

Cancer occurs when there is mutation to the gene coding for certain protein, so that cell becomes basically immortal and non-responsive to other signals in the area. I just can't see how diet can reverse that mechanism and drive these lumps of undifferentiated cells into destruction. Can diet undo all mutations accumulated in basically immortal cell?

[@emmanuelking9988]

​@@esvedra2419 Diet does play a huge factor and prolonged water fasting is key too... check out Dr. Valter Longo's studies.

[@Joy80JJ]

Great info & new info that I have not heard before. My husband had cancer twice in his 20's & 40's. Was told by his oncologist & nutritionist to eat whatever he can to keep his weightloss to a minimal. He is now 52 & cancer free. Thank you Simon for this content.

[@lcmlcm2460]

My brother was diagnosed with Lymphoma stage 4. During chemotherapy and after the main treatment, the doctors said to eat whatever you want, just eat. I imagine that eating good is always better. Thanks for talking about the scammers on social media. ❤

[@emmanuelking9988]

She's a conventional nutritionist oncologists, so she is trained to tackle cancer from only one angle. Cancer needs to be tackled from ALL angles (holistic): emotionally, physically, spiritually, nutritionally, medically, etc. People need to do their OWN research on things and do what us best for them. What we eat DOES count a lot and doing conventional treatments at times is a must. Please look into Dr. Valter Longo's studies 🙏

[@Technichian462]

No. Look at Dr Thomas Seyfried studies. 30 years cancer research. No one need die of cancer again.

[@ceceliamcgarvey5817]

I agree with what the doctor is saying. My brother went through cancer treatment for pancreatic cancer last year. He lost 60 pounds. The doctors told him to eat whatever he liked to stem the weight loss. I believe first and foremost it's important to stop the weight loss and muscle mass loss. He is free of cancer so far. He is still healing from all the treatments and trying to gain weight and get back his muscle mass. I believe this is important information for people, especially in the plant based community.

[@k.h.6991]

and that's why people look beyond medicine. It's pretty obvious that eating a standard American diet is not going to help battle cancer.

[@Test-eb9bj]

Geeze, I am happy for your brother that he has come this far after this particular dangerous type of cancer. All the best for him and hopefully he is able to make the utmost out of the power that plants can offer as therapy. I hope to go for „anti-cancer-green juices“ in his case (instead of chewing through the amount he would need) is a thing for him to maximise the intake / absorption of micronutrients.

[@TheStrengthofEmpty]

This talk has had a profound impact on me. I am one who has fallen over and over again for anecdotes for the last 10 yrs and extra falling the last 5. I have listened to SO many things and SO many diff people (vegan, keto, prometabolic) and I’m not really any better. Instead I’m more stressed, more scared, and more confused. This talk really made me realize that not everyone has the same outcome as someone has that gets healed with green smoothies, ribeyes, or wfpb no oil. Sometimes those things can exacerbate the very thing needing healed. Anyway, thank you for having this lady on and for opening my eyes to some things I was in error of thinking. ❤

[@beatrizchavez6638]

My experience with my sister is that food is linked to tumors growth. The carbohidrates are the worst and sugar too.

[@emmanuelking9988]

I have cancer and hear you loud and clear. I have felt the same but we mustn't give up searching for the protocols that will work for us! After many paid consultations with natural doctors, etc., I've decided to do low dose chemo AND also holistic protocols using diet, supplements, detox, water fasting and herbal teas. Check out Dr. Valter Longo's studies, Dr. Thomas Lodi's KZbin channel and Fasting Escape's channel 🙏🙏🙏

[@helenpope9221]

I am currently receiving chemotherapy treatment for breast cancer. This information has really helped me. I have been struggling to understand what is relevant as I was in the mindset that I’ll try anything to help me. This sound advice has eased my stress levels and helped to clarify how I can move forward and through the treatment process. Personally, I love to cook as I am a chef, and my struggles are finding the energy to shop and cook basic meals that will include high protein and fibre. Prior to my next round, I’ll be much more prepared to enable me to enjoy the benefits and I hope I see an improvement in side effects.

[@Frodoswaggns]

KZbin Dr. Thomas Seyfried right now, or read his book. He's figured out cancer, I cured my cancer knowing that it's a metabolic disease. You can take that principle and ride with it knowing that. Exercise, fasting, keto diet and most importantly what cured mine real quick was Wim Hof method--specifically cold exposure.

[@lf7065]

​​@@TheProofWithSimonHillWhat's her handle on IG?

[@k.h.6991]

This is a great, balanced conversation. A take-away for me is that you'd better get up a good diet BEFORE you get cancer, but once you're there, there's less room to move. It would be great if it prevents cancer, but even if it doesn't, at least You've got a good place to start.

[@RobBon12]

I would LOVE to hear a debate between Dr. Zuniga and Dr. Thomas Seyfried.

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

The role of diet in cancer treatment is crucially complicated by its connection to the larger question: What is the fundamental NATURE of cancer?-the very question which Dr. Seyfried's research addresses. He has called conventional cancer treatments such as chemo, radiation, and even surgery "medieval" in their approach (because they clearly do great harm to the body in an attempt to combat the great harm of cancer), while others have pointed out the conflict of interest of those oncologists who purchase their chemo from the pharmaceutical companies at wholesale prices and then resell it to their cancer patients as treatment for a significant profit. But the greater question remains: Is the toxicity of chemo and radiation, and is the severity of surgery-since ALL of these are assaults on the body- and are the many possible detrimental consequences which can result of ALL of these treatment modalities APPROPRIATE, given the fundamental nature of cancer? Once the fundamental nature of cancer itself is called into question-e.g., Dr. Seyfried-the answer then SHIFTS because the whole context has changed. Research about the role of diet relative to the efficacy of chemo, radiation, and surgery in the CONTEXT of these treatments addressing the CONVENTIONAL understanding of what cancer is DIFFERS GREATLY from what the roles of diet vs. chemo/radiation/surgery are in the CONTEXT of Dr. Seyfried's understanding if what cancer is. The general public on its own cannot mediate between these dissenting views of the fundamental nature of what cancer is. At the same time, newly diagnosed cancer patients are FORCED to choose treatment options-based on the best information they (think they) have available to them while they are in a race against time-between the two Fundamental Nature of Cancer 'camps' epitomized by conventional medical understanding vs. Dr. Seyfried. This 'tension of dissention' is typical of the uncertain nature of many challenges in life, but it is also a grievously thankless choice to be faced with when you have cancer. Perhaps worse still is the even MORE fundamental contextual question, which bears very directly upon the invention and use of disease treatment modalities: Is the human body a machine which self-evolved over billions of years and which is therefore properly subject to commandeering via mechanistic-style, pragmatic interventions to repair and alter it from that standpoint-one symptom at a time as necessary-OR is it an integrated whole, marvelously designed and deliberately created to function as a whole, and whose design and inherent intelligent homeostatic function should be respected and assisted rather than being 'commandeered?'. This is essentially the philosophical divide which separates the Darwinian model from the Intelligent Design model and it carries down directly into the differing and often opposed approaches to healthcare-e.g., allopathic healthcare vs. chiropractic healthcare. One result is that allopaths and chiropractors not infrequently hold each other in disdain, and patients who consult both are caught in the middle with their only recourse being to vote with their feet and wallets. I honestly think the same thing holds true with cancer and its treatment, because the healthcare/scientific communities are likewise divided-based on individual practitioners' beliefs, education, and professional affiliations and the information those groups and agencies circulate-and manifest OPPOSED AND DISSENTING views of what a human body fundamentally is (based on its origin) and what its diseases-in this case cancer-fundamentally are. Ideally, the patient has an available CHOICE of how to address their cancer at not too high a cost to the welfare of their body and at not too high a risk of their very survival. But that's the ideal, and often is not the reality. Suffering as the result of various treatment modalities and survival risk are hard (or impossible) variables for the patient to even quantify, much less judiciously WEIGH in the context I've just described, and yet patients are forced to choose. Many are already so sick they accept the first practitioner's treatment recommendation they encounter. Most practitoners, either sincerely or insincerely, advocate for THEIR own preferred treatment modality. Some even bully, intimidate, and maneuver a prospective patient by playing upon their justified fear-which I find immoral and reprehensible. All sincere practitioners-including Dr, Zuniga-are products of their own education, experience and beliefs, and they assess what they think is or isn't 'misinformation' by testing it against what they think is RELIABLE information. We all do this ourselves too. But what I hope to have pointed out in this comment is that the research practitioners THEMSELVES-the very SOURCES of the presumed reliable information one would use to test for MISinformation-are not agreed on what the fundamental nature of cancer is, or on what the fundamental nature of THE HUMAN BODY is, and therefore what cancer treatment is or isn't effective, benefit/cost appropriate, and humane. Perhaps it's better to say they are only partially agreed but that nature, being impartial to the views of the investigator, remains The Great Equalizer. But science TAKES TIME. It's true that a consensus can still be mistaken, but we do not even HAVE a general consensus among healthcare practitioners on the fundamental matters I've mentioned. This clearly leaves the patient caught in the middle and relying on their own hope in the reliability of the knowledge and recommendations of the particular cancer practioner(s) they HAPPEN-in the time they have available to them-to encounter. These are the dynamics of the situation as I understand them. I wish everyone reading this comment good health, the love of truth, and actually sound advice from their own healthcare practioners. I would urge everyone to keep an open mind and to avoid prejudice against hearing/considering dissenting opinions when there is evidence to support them.

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

At least by its title, here is a book written by an MD who in interviews makes some pointed application of diet to cancer treatment/recovery. If either of the video presenters see this post, my specific question for them is: Do you consider this book misinformation? Part misinformation? Thanks in advance if you respond. "Eat to Beat Disease: The New Science of How Your Body Can Heal Itself" by William W. Li, MD.

[@VegieMum]

The vast majority of published cancer papers focus on median survival rate. When you’re living with cancer in your life, though, what you want to see is research on long term survivors and what they did to get there. Cancer treatment outcomes won’t progress without more focus on qualitative studies of each end of the survival spectrum instead of this fruitless quest to improve the quantitative middle.

[@timpye6162]

Thank you Simon and Krystal, as having just be diagnosed with prostate cancer, the advice and logic re going to extremes is helpful. I was on a high fat, high protein diet and immediately went to one meal a day, removed alcohol, meat and dairy, nut milks, sugar and honey, black tea, going instead for lots of raw greens, tomatoes, brown rice, sardines, a little bread. One does this from fear and listening to all the youtube health 'gurus'. Balance and moderation is what I got from this talk and at 73 with vanishing muscle mass I acknowledge exercise and a little more protein is required. Simon if you have any way to catalogue the most experienced radiation oncologists in OZ would be helpful to us out there. I'm hoping to avoid surgery and go for HDR brachytherapy. Cheers mate, well constructed interview from your end and Krystal is a delight.

[@k.h.6991]

Yes, fear of fruit is commonplace over here as well. (not merely in the context of cancer) It's curious. People are way more scared of fruit than they are of meat or potato chips.

[@betzib8021]

This is especially senseless since cancer cells absolutely have to have methionine..a branched chain amino acid found in animal protein...but not so much in plants...and healthy cells can make their own and don't need that amino acid.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

Because fruit has been artificially made into something we did not evolve to eat.

[@johnreidy2804]

@@mikerudd4943 Fruit is great for cancer patients. So doe googling friend

[@lindajones4849]

See Dr Lustigs lectures on the dangers of excess sugars. He means added sugars in ultraprocessed food with no fiber. Sugar is actually one molecule of glucose and one molecule of fructose. Every cell in the body can use glucose but the liver is the main organ that metabolizing fructose. Fructose can overwhelm the liver in excess, everything absorbed from the digestive tract goes to the liver FIRST . Too much fructose can cause fatty liver, but Lustig feels like hat eating fruit is fine, fruit has fiber that blunts systemic absorption of fructose. Your microbiome will feed on the rest. Now something like drinking large amounts of soda is consuming large amounts of liquid sugar and can cause liver damage.

[@jameschesterton]

The idea of low carb diets and restricting sugars/glucose is that the body goes into ketosis and uses ketone bodies as fuel. Cancer cells cannot use ketones because in order to use them the cell requires a good mitochondria. The common malady among all cancer cells is that they have damaged mitochondria, hence when fueling the body on ketone bodies you effectively deny the cancer of one of their primary fuels; glucose. High amounts of protein are probably the last thing you want to be ingesting. Protein stimulates igf-1 and mTor which promotes cell proliferation and tumor growth and any excess protein ingested above your maintenance needs is very likely to end up being converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis, so you are encouraging your tumor to grow and feeding it at the same time.

[@esvedra2419]

That makes sense. And if I were in this situation, keto would be my first move. However cancer also feeds on glutamine that our bodies can synthesize...and she also mentioned Cachexia - the sneaky cancer would break down your muscle to convert protein to sugar and glutamine it needs... Wonder what body would prioritize in terms of amino acid utility: feeding cancer or maintaining and rebuilding muscles (having in mind someone is even able to engage in resistance training ...)

[@frednerk6]

Yes that's right, you can reduce the glutamine by increasing your exercise session. According to professor Seyfried.

[@k.h.6991]

The muscle loss argument is confusing to me. Didn't Longo's studies show that even in fasting, if people do resistance training, they will grow muscle? (He also showed that fasting + chemo was more effective, so this is not to say that medicine should be avoided)

[@terrybartick1754]

Yes, Dr Longo is amazing. I did the fasting mimicking diet first treatment. Min side affects.

[@Test-eb9bj]

Fasting (plus training) while getting chemo or radiation shows impressive results. But you need to be well enough to train consistently between cycles and afterwards and eat enough calories to maintain weight and muscle mass. Depending on the type of cancer, the treatment plan you can feel quite sick, weak (!) and might have problems to eat properly as she pointed out. Puréed food helps cancer patients a lot to get calories down as do supplements/ shots (B12, Vitamin D and others.) I think nuts, seeds, tofu are good nutrient dense foods for that. Lentils are very versatile and often easier on digestion than beans. While everybody agrees on the sugar ban I think when it comes to people 50+ (and again when pass the 70 and 80 mark) and cancer candidates the question of how to balance the protein intake (and if animal protein is even a higher risk) is not sufficiently answered yet!

[@Test-eb9bj]

To get Dr. Longo on the podcast specifically regarding Fasting - related to cancer treatment!- AND (!) Nutrition while undergoing AND after the treatment cycles would be fantastic! The treatments can be soo taxing on your body that you need all the support you can get to help survive it - longer than 5 years… 🥺

[@officespaceredstapler2287]

Yes he should be interviewed - my wife (55) is stage 4 met breast. Doing conventional now with Dr Longo's FMD and consulting with his non-profit (nutritionist/micro biologists) combined with very high dose melatonin and after 3 relatively high doses of chemo the oncologist is baffled as to how she can nearly shrug off any chemo side effects and how her immune numbers bounce back so fast and have actually improved by the 3rd treatment. He even double checked to make sure he was giving her the correct dose. Her primary tumor has also shrunk rapidly. There are no guarantees in the cancer game but I think Prof Longo is on to something.

[@emmanuelking9988]

​@@officespaceredstapler2287 That's awesome, congrats to your wife's health journey 🙏👏 How can one get in contact with Dr. Longo's program, like you did?? Does he or his program have a website??

[@docbegone1716]

"Food is not medicine?" Hmmm... this is my humble take on it... I think that once the body succumbs to the many years of abuse it has endured, it may be expecting too much to reverse one hundred percent of chronic injuries - maybe. One can almost liken this to taking medication to reverse those same injuries and expect the problem to quickly go away. In most cases medication does not reverse chronic disease symptoms - it only masks and manages it (e.g. arthritis is still there but the arthritis meds are lowering the pain. In my opinion, working a damaged body part because you can't feel the pain actually greatly increasing the chance of aggravating the "disease" and worsening it - it can cause more damage) Consuming healthy food on the other hand stops disease promoting unhealthy toxic elements from entering the body and additionally gives the body the ingredients to help begin the repair of the chronic "disease" - as to what extent, it really depends on how much damage has been caused from the many years of abuse. There are ingredients in healthy food such as the many potent constituents in many herbs and spices that are just as effective as many of the commonly used drugstore meds. Heck, pharmaceutical companies discovered this "secret" decades ago and extracted those isolated compounds and developed medications at huge profits. In most cases, we've lost the knowledge and ability of the how to's of how to use mother natures medicine cabinet - we've willingly and ignorantly passed the keys over to the money hungry pharmaceutical conglomerates. Most civilization has lost the secret of how to use plants medicinally - this shouldn't be of great concern, though when specking of chronic disease and healthy eating (which is part of a healthy lifestyle) - eating healthy moves us closer to helping our bodies not reach a state of having chronic disease in the first place. This one action alone could greatly eliminate or reduces the need for chronic "disease" medication. I believe that in most cases if healthy food was consumed long before and consistently well before we even knew or cared about the meaning of chronic, we would have little or no need for the label "medicine" to be attached to food or pharmaceuticals. Food is medicine, but not necessarily... If we consume healthy food every day and it it helps make us healthy, can we truly call it medicine. Is gasoline a medicine for a vehicle? Is antifreeze a medicine for a radiator? Peace and love always...

[@plant52_]

Beautifully articulated ✨

[@chuckleezodiac24]

right on, bro. food can be medicine or poison. health is 70% diet and 30% lifestyle.

[@raithneach]

Great interview. Dr Shah and Dr Iyengar's interview was very informative too. This topic is just so important and its vital to hear from true experts in their field. There are so many self proclaimed experts out there doling out advice, diet regimes and supplements, some may well be doing it with the best of intentions but there is so much money to be made off of such a vulnerable group of people, it can't all be altruistic. The more we have these experts that can offset some of the poor information the better, I'm sure I'll will be sharing these interviews may times over! Thank you!

[@HidingFromFate]

Agreed, good comments. Making a mental note to save this interview for future reference.

[@murraypooley9199]

I fixed all my medical problems including obessity, diabeties and hart diesease. I am now very fit and compete atheletically, with all health markers excellent, by ignoring misinformation from the medical establishment and following online advice. Most of my transformation has been via diet. I refused all medications.

[@murraypooley9199]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill It took 4 months to lose 5 stone (70 pound) then continued to lose. Went from 18 stone to 12.25. I stopped all processed foods, sugar, grains and finally vegitables and fruit. Now just my own organic beef, some bacon, some mutton, rarely chicken thighs, sardines every day, 3 to 6 large eggs every day. Drink only water from my own 160 foot deep well. All health markers and altheletic proformance continue to improve. Doing Omad also. Dr. Anthony Chaffee in his "Low Carb Down Under" podcast says it perfectly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGLGooF6eaxnl6Msi=hanswYU5lzZy_Z9a

[@gregsandifer2398]

can't get enough protein? T Colin Campbell says no animal protein.....as they learned it causes growth of cells

[@lf7065]

Stick to beans and Legumes and grains. Combine with a good olive oil and/or avocados, plus nuts and seeds. That's my plan. Of course, also fresh fruits and veggies. 🙂🌱

[@noelthomas6357]

Not that I am in this position, but I would like to know what would you recommend to someone who the traditional medical community has told there are no further options? For example, late stage 4 prostate cancer. At that point diet and lifestyle may be the only treatment left.

[@bobcocampo]

Interview Dr Thomas Siegfried

[@ChristopherUrbaniak313]

Their scared to interview him.....

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

(Seyfried)

[@kengaskins5083]

Dr. Zuniga along with great questioning from Simon did a great job of elucidating about all the myths and unproven theoretical "stuff" that hasn't faced scientific rigor. Oddly perhaps, I found the part on the Dirty Dozen of the Environmental Working Group most enlightening. I've also been guilty of offering advice to someone facing cancer (breast) that was unsolicited, instead of just offering help in an open way. She insisted going keto to ratchet down carbs and I pushed a vegan approach (her cancer is in remission and was caught early fortunately). By the way, Simon, it almost looks like you are channeling the Hollywood Golden Age actor Errol Flynn. Especially in the podcasts where you have on a hoodie.

[@leniolesch896]

This was a great conversation and brought light to all those claims that aim to influence desperate people for unnecessary and even dangerous supplements, diets and alike. One issue, however, was confusing to me. This relates to the Dirty Dozen List. It does make sense to me to avoid those foods even when the number and not the dose is assessed. If there’s a large variety of pesticides all below the threshold (which from my point of view is enough reason to avoid it) it will add up in the end. I might be biased because I buy organic most of the time and I’m very fortunate that can afford it. But I’m convinced that it’s the better choice for my health and the planet. And eg in the EU it’s not true that other (synthetic) pesticides are allowed for organic food. There might be cross contamination when fields are near to each other, but the statement ist simply not true. Besides from the EU organic label there are labels from associations that are even stricter.

[@HidingFromFate]

You raise some good points. On a general note though, for those who are either fearful of pesticides, and more particularly, unable to afford organics, I think the prevailing message here and elsewhere is that it's still much better to eat a large amount and variety of fruits and vegetables regardless. In other words, at least from a personal health standpoint, you are still much better off than not eating them or avoiding them because of those pesticide concerns.

[@wallyrbc]

To quote Dr. Alan Flanagan, who actually keeps me grounded, cancer seems so “random.” I’ll use my own words now - you can do absolutely everything right and still get cancer. You may as well enjoy your life. I fear cancer, but not heart disease - heart disease is something you can, generally speaking, reduce your odds of getting.

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

Indeed. You can ingest the best possible diet for you and still unknowingly wash your hands or brush your teeth or breathe in sonething carcinogenic. Such ubiquitous toxicity is part of a complex total picture and is hard or impossible to stay on top of all the time.

[@jacquelinemarek6132]

I wish this had been a discussion between Dr. Zuniga and Walter Longo, T. Colin Campbell, Dr. Brenda Davis, Dr. Fuhrman, Dr. Greger and others who cite research showing the benefits of low protein, plant-based/vegan diets in relation to cancer treatment. Seems like she contradicts most of what we’ve heard by these and others

[@terrybartick1754]

Yes I agree…keeping the IGF-1 down. Dairy meats etc.

[@plant52_]

I noticed Dr. Zuniga mentioned the FMD (fasting mimicking diet) was only 300 calories per day for 5 days (1:02) but it's just over 1,000 calories on the first day of the FMD then just over 700 calories per day for the remainder days. She makes a good point about different cancers' risk factors being more severe (and needing more data on human survivor rates using FMD) but Dr. Longo mentions that it's not just better outcomes and symptoms that cancer patients have from their chemotherapies using FMD (like less nausea mentioned in this video), he describes a protective barrier that healthy cells create in the fasting state that then protects those healthy cells from being damaged by chemo. Instead the cancerous cells are targeted by chemo and therefore this treatment becomes more effective for patients. That seems like a VERY enticing benefit of using FMD for anyone undergoing chemo to consider and we look forward to seeing more human data outcomes. This was a great video overall, thanks again Simon for your excellent work ✨

[@cnghiem67]

While listening to the interview, I couldn't help but think "what if cachexia and muscle mass loss were symptoms and not the cause of an aggressive cancer and of the patient not doing well. Treating cachexia and preventing muscle loss by eating animal based foods would seem counterproductive to me. As we all know, there are plenty of protein rich plant foods.

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill (Civil) discourse, interaction, and debate is HEALTHY AND GOOD. Cutthroat and personally disparaging debate is polarizing and unproductive. Perhaps respectful DETAILED PRIVATE DISCUSSION first-before public debate commences-could be arranged for the participants and would be a helpful preliminary step, since the goal is to arrive at the truth for the mutual benefit of everyone. The opposed discussants would need to both have the pursuit of what's true as their shared primary goal; passion for and emotional investment in one's own current position can easily derail the value of the debate process for the audience. The soundest evidence and reasoning should have abundant opportunity to prevail; clever debating strategy and tactics should not.

[@randellpernell]

I have a rare blood cancer e.g. Heavy Chain Deposition Disease. A friend of mine (A Health Coach) told me I didn't need to do my bi-weekly chemo treatments that, diet alone can cure my blood cancer. Admittedly, this sounds good because chemotherapy is not a fun experience. However, I did NOT take my friends advice and still in controlled remission via chemotherapy, going on 4 years. I had a Stem Cell Transplant as well. What is this doctors thoughts on CAR-T therapy? Im wanting to try this IF /WHEN my Cancer comes back.

[@esvedra2419]

I hope you are doing ok...sending you blessings. Do you know your microbiome? Akkermansia Municiphila is shown to help fight cancer. Not saying it's a cure, but worth looking at.

[@plant52_]

Going back to the title of this video and Dr. Zuniga's dismissal of diet alone helping to cure cancer, are there other studies besides the "unethical" one she mentions that compares food vs traditional cancer treatments particularly chemo? She mentioned the one group using "diet alone" was also taking an extremely high dose of supplements each day. Since Dr. Z mentions that supplements can interfere with treatments (and my thoughts are, perhaps they can also interfere with whole plant foods' reactions within our bodies especially since dose matters!), I don't have confidence in her conclusion that diet alone can't "cure" cancer or at least put it in remission. I realize she's just sharing one trial here on this episode instead of sharing ALL studies she's aware of but are there studies comparing truly food alone vs. chemo? Instead of food+high dose of daily supplements vs chemo? Thanks as always, Simon; this video was fantastic

[@cnghiem67]

Read John Kelley MD's book Stop Feeding Your Cancer: One Doctor's Journey and also read about Richard Oppenlander's son's death. You will realize plant nutrition is very powerful in fighting cancer but it cannot cure every cancer. John Kelley's experience is that it does help all his patients except those with gastric or pancreatic cancer. Richard Oppenlander DDS wrote the amazing book Comfortably Unaware. I believe his children were raised never eating any animal product. His son finally succumbed to glioblastoma after a very long fight. As an anesthesiologists, I know that these three cancers, especially glioblastoma and pancreatic are very aggressive and the survival data is absolutely dismal. Richard's son lived with it for a long time. So plant nutrition is incredibly powerful but isn't all powerful in its fight against all cancers.

[@kardste8114]

I appreciate that you encourage consumption of whole plant foods- but I wish you would clarify your research on doubling protein intake for cancer patients, including animal proteins- what about the increased iron that Feeds cancer, the stimulation of mTor which increases cancer cell growth, and more. I do appreciate that every cancer patient can be different- some might need blood transfusions, etc...but in general, doubling protein (especially with animal products) scared me. I think you have a tough job! Good luck.🙏

[@TheProofWithSimonHill]

Hi Friends, Curious to know - which part of our recent conversation did you find the most engaging? Also, if there are any other questions you have in mind about this topic, just leave them below. I'll ensure they're included in our next chat.

[@lf7065]

Would love to know how I can raise my wbc during chemo? I'm told there's not much I can do, so I have to get a weekly Zarxio shot that stimulates my bone marrow. Thanks, Simon! 🙂

[@SHGmail-rj2tj]

You need to interview Prof Seyfried about shutting down glucose and glutamine to starve cancer…… seems like he’s seeing incredible results……. Claimed to be extremely simple so don’t understand why huge cancer centres are not doing this and proving this theory/therapy beyond doubt? …… Money ? Really? ….. wouldn’t surprise me!

[@pearljam_1]

@@SHGmail-rj2tjsome cancers. Not all.

[@chriswalker7972]

Unfortunately why we still have to rely on clinical trials.

[@kardste8114]

Question- How do you measure cancer cachexia if patients are not showing dramatic weight loss- but clearly have lost muscle tone and adipose tissues 1:06:59 and strength? Why don’t All Oncologists have way to measure loss of lean muscle and adipose in their patients?? And #2: Many studies seem to show that increased protein consumption does little to reverse or slow cancer cachexia- which makes me concerned it may be more an inflammatory component from the tumor gasses in body causing it. My fear is increasing protein to higher levels in Advanced cancer (especially animal protein) may feed and speed tumor growth, increase cachexia and speed impending death to patients. Your thoughts?? Thank you! 🙏

[@lynlawley8903]

,,I thought they said that you need to use fats, so not to feed with sugars which carbs turn to sugar,,,

[@lynlawley8903]

And do fast ing to starve its growth

[@skippy6462]

On another podcast interview Simon did explained that protein alone will not increase muscle mass or retain muscle. The example given was if one leg is immobilised, eg put into a cast, then the protein eaten is lost because the leg 🦵 wasn't doing anything. Exercise is key. Plenty plant based protein. Just need details. She mentions how much protein per body weight but doesn't say if that's lean body weight ie fat free weight.

[@davidhogg1216]

I agree too much harping on protein. It’s work that maintains muscle.

[@StephenMarkTurner]

Thanks for this continuing series of great conversations.

[@bigpicturegains]

Not that I necessarily trust these government regulatory agencies that are supposed to be looking out for our best interests in the first place. But assuming they are honest, even if we make the dose makes the poison argument for pesticides, and eating some non-organically grown foods won’t necessarily hurt you, I wonder about a cumulative effect of eating foods with these chemical residues present. What effect on health would years and years of eating pesticide & herbicide sprayed products be is what I’m is worrisome to me.

[@bigpicturegains]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill I’ll admit I’m not as informed on these “organic pesticides.” I’d like to look into them. Do you know of any good sources of info on them?

[@terrybartick1754]

Wash them…well. Buy organic

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill WHY do Americans have and allow deliberate mislabeling of what our food products actually are and actually contain? HOW is such mislabeling moral and NOT criminal when people can suffer or die from food allergies and carcinogenic ingredients? Do we all have to become gardeners and farmers of all of our own food just so we aren't sickened, poisoned, or killed by eating? Are these kinds of questions ridiculous or eminently sane?

[@wallyrbc]

Just as many feel diet can solve all, I feel the same attitude persists about exercise, maybe even more so. As long as you exercise, you’ll be safe.

[@NatashaFitnessYogaPilates]

Not always. I’ve exercised my whole life. I teach fitness and yoga and I got cancer 5 years ago and now it’s back. I’m still exercising. I think it helps me 💯 and I love it but it doesn’t make you immune to all disease 😢

[@wallyrbc]

@@NatashaFitnessYogaPilates I’m so sorry to hear the cancer has returned, Natasha. No, there’s definitely nothing we can do to completely eradicate the odds of getting cancer.

[@NatashaFitnessYogaPilates]

@@wallyrbc🙏🏼🙏🏼 thank you. I wish they would hurry up and figure it out 😭

[@bradleyblue13]

What about the work of Dr Max Gerson and the Gerson Institute?

[@jz94117]

Just a big ad for oncology doctors and big pharma chemotherapy. No discussion of the need for environmental polluters to chip in for contributing to the rise of cancer in the US.

[@disgrapefruit2bitter]

Always buy organic. The debate about whether there are health benefits to eating organic vs "conventionally" grown produce was settled years ago. More sustainable for the soil and insect populations as well.

[@frednerk6]

Cancer is a metabolic disease and should be treated with a metabolic therapy.

[@ShaneHarveyMusic]

Did i miss it or was immunotherapy and treating cancer not mentioned in this podcast? Im shocked.

[@ShaneHarveyMusic]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill I get it my brotha. But the connection between our bodies immune system, health and food intake and an oncologist right there talking conventional cancer therapies didnt warrant a mention? Ok.

[@craigglaser251]

Ditto

[@SarahPerine]

You should interview Zsofia Clemens from Paleomedicina!!!

[@in2097]

Ok, this talk make me rethink things...thanks

[@sabby123456789]

Even if you avoided carbs, you will still have glucose in your bloodstream, and the cancer cells will use that for energy. Cancer cells also use glutamine, which is an amino acid found in both plant and animal protein. Even some cancer cells can use ketones for energy. A carnivore, ketogenic, or plant based diet cannot starve the cancer cells. The only way to starve cancer to death, is if you starve yourself to death as well.

[@donatina1987]

What about Gerson therapy? Instead of starvation looks into the opposite, flooding the body with nutrients and glucose (from plants and juices)...

[@lynlawley8903]

How is that used,Charlotte person has gone who is in charge now ,,how sad

[@oanairani41]

I don't know if Doctor Thomas Seyfried is someone you would invite to your channel, but he is a big believer that cancer is a metabolic disease, based on his research. He also believes keto diet its beneficial to cancer patients, but he suggest taking blickers for some amino acids. Great info as usual, its good to know we can eat the dirty dozen fruits sometimes😂

[@lynlawley8903]

What is blickers ,please ,,I've not heard that befor

[@chuckleezodiac24]

@@lynlawley8903 blockers. "While Dr. Seyfried focuses on glutamine, other cancer researchers have focused on methionine or leucine as drivers of cancer. This is sometimes used to support a vegetarian diet for cancer, since it would be lower in protein. But Dr. Seyfried points out that glutamine can produce energy via the glutaminolysis pathway." "But if you block glutamine, this is an essential amino acid required by cells, so Dr. Seyfried recommends using glutamine targeting drugs like deoxynorleucine (DON) in a pulsatile manner that will reduce but not eliminate glutamine."

[@ChristmasKathy]

New subscriber!

[@olyav5819]

Good interview.

[@remmer7010]

What about for a precancerous colon polyp? Mine is only 2cm but it’s partially in my appendix and partially in my colon and they want take 6 inches of my colon and my ileum. I’d like to get rid of it naturally than put my body through all that.

[@k.h.6991]

I would not take that risk. If doctors want to take that polyp out, it should probably go. Better that relatively simple and affordable treatment now, than colon cancer years down the line.

[@lf7065]

Most of us cancer patients undergoing chemo nowadays GAIN weight - on average 20 lbs! We receive anti nausea meds and steroids in our premeds to chemo. So, her info is a bit outdated. Also, to gain muscle you have to exercise the muscle. Simply eating protein does not prevent muscle loss. However, most of us undergoing chemo do not have the energy to work out to that degree. I make sure to eat a nutrient rich diet, and rest a lot because exercise causes me severe hotflashes and soreness. Its taxing my adrenals severely.

[@kunverjihirani276]

Love you Simon … but I don’t really agree with this lady 😂

[@urbanirrigation]

WHY US 1600 PEOPLE DYING OF CANCER EACH DAY IN USA?

[@musicmonsterman8395]

Imagine a recommendation to eat red meat & poultry while suffering from cancer.... the very things that gave you that cancer... makes you think.

[@terrybartick1754]

Like eating corn syrup

[@lf7065]

Right! The animal hormones, the toxins stored in their fats. That alone is a no no for me as a cancer patient.

[@lynlawley8903]

I think mine was bought on by my eating loads of carbs and sugars ,,,to ,eating meat,,,and having ,insulin resistance,and metabolic disease,,when I checked up what I ate, with low sleep and low vit d,,and hadn't heard about k,2

[@lynlawley8903]

Not eating meat as I have only just started trying to build up protien as I'm losing muscle ,, but had been doing the diet of plant based,meals,,,so dont know with lack of sleep and a stressful job it all works against health,,,

[@BrunoSpellanzon]

great interview !

[@skippy6462]

Can anyone say if cannabis is helpful for pain relief, sleep and appetite? Any other benefits or should cannabis not be used. (Edible only).

[@craiganderson3855]

Chemo is only three percent of effective

[@frednerk6]

If you could tell us what feeds the cancer and it should be clear from there on how treat it. And that what professor Seyfried is talking about.

[@ccamire]

Just listened to the podcast about the sugar segment. She says that carbs are not the problem and dont feed cancer cells. Totally missed her biology class. if you believe plants can cure cancer, she must be a friend to Dr Gregger I think she does not believe in Dr Warburg theory which is sad She is preaching what she learned, not my kind of doctor

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

I can not say I am a fan of Dr. Gregger either, but calling someone who realizes theories should be tested 'sad' does not sound very scientific to me. How do you think she learned what she is "preaching"?

[@renatocosta8925]

​@@TheProofWithSimonHill Prof. Thomas Seyfried investigation and papers. An Interview with him could be interesting. Best regards.

[@doctornebula]

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33274644/ pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34287243/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8761234/ There no clinical trial comparing diet to chemotherapy that she referred to because that would be unethical. So her remark was misleading. This last study shows the remarkable effect of healthy food intake and the prevention of cancer. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6770822/

[@ChristopherUrbaniak313]

I've seen multiple people ask for an interview with Dr. Seyfried. Not one response, though???? Seems like he doesn't want to interview him....

[@ChipsAplentyBand]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill A respectful, fair and open-minded suggestion-thanks for it. People suffer and die needlessly when partisanship prevails. We all need (valid) evidence.

[@universaltruth2025]

One question to this doctor: Does she believe the cov id mrna vaccines are safe & effective? If she answered yes - her opinion is null & void. If no, I will be more inclined to take her opinion seriously.

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

So much Keto bro-ism in these comments.

[@StephenMarkTurner]

Cue the folks who say "sugar feeds cancer", and think that just about covers it. :-)

[@jf8414]

I am out...

[@RobertaPeck]

Why are you wasting your time with this mis information delivering woman?

[@lynnlance351]

This guest is not knowledgeable or either paid by the authorities to give a light ,I don't care coz I haven't got the disease attitude to the public on this interview with smug 😏

[@lanenelson8040]

She lost me when she said the bit about vegan protein being harder to get, which has been long debunked, especially if she’s pro protein powders. She could benefit from brushing up on vegan diets before she critiques them. Also Simon, I believe you claim to be an ethical vegan right? Yet you continue to defend the consumption of animal flesh as if to say the only other option is fear mongering when it’s not, you could literally do what actual ethical vegans do and explain that you do not NEED meat and point them in the right direction. Instead of “well a little bit is fine” I wonder, what is the inherent benefit of including a little bit of dead animal in your diet vs. none? Surely there has to be something. But in reality you value clicks and approval from peers rather than compassion. You’re giving a big FU to the animals you claim to be ethical for.