Confronting Dr. Gundry On Lectins & Smoking | Inflammation & Leaky Gut

[@scoutdias4160]

You can just tell how much Dr. Mike disagrees, yet he still remains super polite. Props to him for having that much self control.

[@Hauajnrhdj]

So true, I would've thrown hands😂

[@kostasmira2933]

Yeah it's very very difficult to do something like that. It needs a lot and lot of practice to perfection this.

[@lechatbotte.]

Amen to that. Guidry is one step above Oz sorry but he is. But people are gullible believing anything. This guy is making huge dollars off this. The sad thing is this man is convinced he’s right but there are studies proving him wrong. Vitamin C is water soluble it’s excreted when we have too much take enough all you’ll get is diarrhea. Gun dry cherry picks. They’re not predisposed genetically to develop those diseases. Half science isn’t science

[@SkydivingSquid]

I like to believe this is what happens when highly intelligent and mature professions hold a discussion. No one takes things personally. They just discuss. Challenging ideas is so important. The problem is, so many people, at least now, take being challenged as attacked.

[@Shori5]

Except at the end. He started getting a bit snarky there. I do not blame him though, it is actually quite impressive how long it took him to get there. I would've lost it in the first 30 min probably

[@chaseschroeder5252]

I would love Dr. Grundy as my lawyer. Dude will manipulate so much info in his favor and not back down. Honestly it’s impressive.

[@rappercentral703]

He’s not wrong in a lot of his points. It’s just that the risk of confusion among the general public on what to eat greatly outweighs the advice he’s trying to give. In a lot of cases, both sides in various parts of the video (not all) present viable solutions for you and when contextualized can be a benefit to you!

[@oguzisk9204]

​@@rappercentral703he is mostly wrong

[@laser8389]

@@rappercentral703 The points he's not wrong about are still so blown out of proportion or so nichely applicable, according to the data cited by the other two competent doctors who aren't out to make money off their fad diet books, as to be practically useless.

[@wittyoak9027]

@@rappercentral703 Saying he's not wrong is a lot of his points is similar to me saying "You can not die of heart disease if you shoot yourself in the head". This statement is very true, but the implication that I am trying to make is not correct.

[@jjpswfc]

​@@wittyoak9027Yeah, I'm a statistician (sort of, I'm doing my masters in it) and I think if I wrote half of the type of thing he said in a paper I'd get failed on it for misrepresenting the facts

[@Medcram]

Nicotine is not nicotinic acid.

[@jkmiah33]

[@xawesome1992x]

That part definitely has me pretty confused! I wish he would have told us how the effects of nicotine and b3 are related. I dont understand how he got from nicotine pouches to nicotinic acid. And then we never got an answer😢

[@arvebang]

Who said it was?

[@TrendyReality101]

Nobody said it was

[@frozenpine1781]

Yeah this doctor has clearly never been an avid smoker, the difference CAN be felt. How this old man even calls himself a doctor is crazy

[@izzaacalley]

Some people misinterpret what their calling is, this guy was born to be a lawyer with how much he twists information to work in his favor

[@jameswells9403]

The opposing side would have endless objections as pivoting like that would not work in court.

[@Stickiestboi]

Nah, he should be a conman selling pseudoscience

[@Miner_20]

Or a politician😂

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

This guy acknowledged he misinterpreted his calling. He changed his career from being a surgeon to a grifter.

[@captaingramcrackergrams5990]

​@@Miner_20yeah that would be much more fitting since politicians don't get checked in real time by people unless there other politicians who are also probably lying lol Lawyers can't take a breath without being under somebody's microscope

[@daniellima4391]

It's impossible to argue against someone who straight up ignores your argument and refuses to acknowledge what you're saying

[@Slytherin_101]

True. It’s the most annoying thing ever when they don’t acknowledge what your saying and just blow it off as BS. I side, thoroughly, with Dr. Mike.

[@Djbigmark14]

That’s most political discussions😂🔥

[@IsaacSchultz]

Who was doing that? All of them?

[@Slyfox1775]

That’s because he gets rich off of convincing people who follow him and pay for his knowledge . No different that preachers on the left or right of politics.. they preach to the ears that pay them .

[@jamespetehoisington2459]

I totally agree. But I still agree with gundry. They won’t ever agree

[@anonymouspotato1022]

If “I think correlation equals causation” was a person it would be this man right here.

[@Israel_Augustine]

Underrated

[@stacey52783]

So true.

[@w花b]

More toys are sold in December and there are more car crashes during that period. We should ban toys so there are less car crashes.

[@anonymouspotato1022]

@@w花b this is the only logical course of action

[@milkcrate805]

@@anonymouspotato1022 dr Mike is just as bad and more dishonest

[@SolarMillUSA]

Seriously impressed by the difficulty of this conversation but that everyone is able to remain civil and to the point. This is how discussions are supposed to work! Well done everyone

[@Mr25thfret]

Imagine a political conversation in January 2024, going like this.

[@DebEDee]

@@Mr25thfret It already happened lol. Imagine people just turning their cell phones off and doing something productive or fun lol. Yup. I think I will. And Ill enjoy what I do , whatever that may be because I feel so much better after following Dr. Grundys previous recommendations. Bye now.😄

[@Aurora_Animates]

@@Mr25thfrethave you seen British parliament? 😭 look it up compared to America it’s so funny

[@armisteadkira32]

Agreed and both sides are using data to back up their claims.

[@nightowlowo149]

​@@armisteadkira32 it really is a matter of persuasion and getting the right facts out at the right time to disprove the logic of the opposing side That being said, comparing grapes to chocolate is one of the least persuasive statements in this video. My dude Grundy is using logical fallacies as his defense so it really tells me who the winner is

[@maggieflinn8218]

I am a Dietitian, I work in Cardiology (inpatients) and all I can say is FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE! This was hard to watch but very thankful for you for putting this on your platform!

[@harnessriscallous7466]

Vioxx, fen-phen, propulsid, rezulin, acomplia Double blind placebo studies said they were safe, doctors prescribed them in the 10s of millions. Every one recalled for killing a lot of people. "Follow the evidence." Would be trying to vet the doctors claims, not pretending like double blind studies are gospel.

[@saevvyth]

Ex-sportsdietitian here, this man knows nothing about nutrition. To be fair, most doctors don't.

[@Jayeeyee]

Can confirm this works. I've been eating cigarettes, smoking cheese, and inhaling fermented beans all my life and I am currently over 200 years old.

[@dtgris7291]

“Say it out loud” “Vampire”

[@eschelar]

Dammit, I've been doing it wrong. I've been drinking cigarettes, injecting cheese and using fermented bean patches. I'm 3 years old and I look 200.

[@Tru.Creations]

😂😂😂😂 Winning comment 🎉

[@SlackerU]

*hit over 200lbs years ago. jkjk

[@DebEDee]

Bwaaahahaha! LMAO

[@ambientassistant]

I love that they disagreed and hardly spoke over each other. The talk was respectful and it made it so much easier to follow the conversation.

[@drbrandonsantan]

Were you watching the same video as me? 😂😂😂 Mike and Danielle talked over Dr. Gundry the whole time. He couldn’t even hardly finish a sentence.

[@mesalouis8976]

@@drbrandonsantanYes, they sounded angry and were downright yelling at him, as if the doctor is the one causing obesity. 🤔

[@alonelychocolatebar1954]

​@@drbrandonsantanI only noticed they were doing that, after he interrupted them multiple times, and was being condescending.

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

They attacked him like vultures lol. Two snot nosed ytube `doctors`

[@Aerojuanas]

Did we watch the same interview? Because that's not what I saw

[@qfrank76]

What a master class for progressing the discussion to allow the nuance to bubble up. Resisting knee-jerk responses must've been very difficult and I applaud you for prioritizing the difficult path towards truth and understanding.

[@johndeeregreen4592]

He is using a lot of techniques we use in counseling (I am a therapist). He is an absolute master at keeping his composure, all while letting things come out that he can challenge. This is how we counsel people, too; you have to build rapport, but also lightly (but professionally) challenge someone to get them talking more about what you're trying to find out.

[@kaib5735]

Yo, I like your profile pic/gif. @qfrank76

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@cornelius_lcx Dr. gundry also not listening as he clearly states in season yet Dr.balardo point with actual facts fruits are beneficial year round not just in season , I would still rather eat fruits all year included in my diet over eating ice cream and junk processed refined sugars , Dr.gundry’s excuses for “in season” is cus he is trying to equal fruit to a candy bar which literally not the same even when not in season

[@peterboswell]

agreed

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@cornelius_lcx gundry cultist

[@aliciabarrie7229]

Dr Belardo is the MVP in this podcast 😂 She keeps trying to pull him back to answer the question they are asking and he keeps ignoring her completely. Props to Dr. Mike - this is amazing.

[@sophspice32]

as someone who is struggling with an autoimmune condition, it is so incredibly exhausting hearing different doctors recommending different diets and claiming that it gets rid of the inflammation. at this point, i don´t even know what to eat, because everyone says something different!

[@Dahmaduty]

Same.

[@EvelynAdamsOfcl]

Maybe look into Dr Mindy Pelz and Dr Jason Fung. Their ideas on nutrition and fasting seem to work for many and the information is backed by numerous studies. Hope you find what works for you! Take care!

[@yl1487]

Yes. Because perhaps it is a little less about the food eaten than we think and much more about the lightwaves with which we interact than we think.

[@tigernotwoods914]

@@EvelynAdamsOfclDr. Fung and Dr. Berg are awesome.

[@juanwononeyuan]

there is no other alternative, the only way forward is to experiment.

[@brysonenoch6129]

The ultimate “trust me bro” I have ever seen

[@hackerkiller2131]

Not really, lots of theoretical hypotheses that would seem correct in theory, almost like communism.

[@drsexy2491]

So you think the lady arguing for eating round up weed killer is more trustworthy?

[@bagustsson4112]

@@drsexy2491 And rapeseed/canola oil?

[@AlternativeSign]

trust him bro

[@rarespatru6082]

@@drsexy2491 where is she saying such a thing? She only states, from published research, that the presence of glyphosate or lack of it doesn't change the outcome of certain diseases, whereas Dr. Gundry states from anecdotal evidence that smoking is safe as long as you increase your vitamin C intake. Do you see the difference?

[@asaltysurprise4107]

Doctor you did amazing in this conversation, not being too aggressive but also calling the doctor out when he gave specific examples. This is a perfect way to talk to people who you dont agree with.

[@matthewleconey9813]

Honestly, despite Dr. Grundy's unwillingness to back down from some of his unsubstantiated stances, his ability to take criticism without becoming "overly" defensive or rude is admirable. This is exactly how to have a civilized argument about something. The hope is to learn from each other and hopefully move closer to the reality on the topic one way or the other and respect the others position to some degree. They were all able to agree on the most important aspects which is focusing on a plant-based diet without highly processed foods, but disagreed on the quality and usefulness of mechanisms and anecdotal evidence in providing recommendations to the public. I wish Dr. Grundy was more willing to acknowledge how his claims can be confusing and misleading to the public especially when he respects the science and the nuance of the claims he's making, but it was a good source of discussion for how scientific recommendations should be made and acknowledges how anecdotal evidence still has some meaning since it can lead to more evidence based trials and studies that can let us learn more which then can lead to additional recommendations.

[@yasstone4268]

It is also a typical example of how academic discussions and disagreements proceed. Name-calling and aggression is not part of the practice of academic discussion. We praise this as if this is an accomplishment, but this is the only kind exchange that warrants the title of discussion. Any other form is juvenile.

[@judithnelson1581]

​. Excellent! Your summation should be most prominently placed under this video. Until I watched this, my exposure to Dr. Gundry's youtube videos led me to believe he was a greed-driven egotist. His attention-getting come-ons leave me with the exact impressions that concern Dr. Mike. The hubris of "I can end all disease" is outrageous. I would guess that improved gut health will yield significant reductions in many syndromes and diseases. Science has so much research ahead in this area.

[@bagustsson4112]

No one diet works for all, but avoiding harmful substances in food definitely does help everyone. Do we need study to prove that when we already know?

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

@@judithnelson1581 Mark Hyman was saying that 80% of his patients are sick cuz of their diet. This is complex problem in general, there is no `eat this, not that ` solution

[@angelmarques3124]

This is a good debate. Everyone strongly disagreed, even thinking the other’s opinion is dangerous. But still they kept their calm throughout the whole thing, never did anyone raise their voice, never did anyone insult anyone else. Very impressive, a very good example of a proper debate.

[@pinayJayX]

This guy proofs, that it isn’t important what you say, but with how much confidence and great storytelling. He can sell everything as “proven”…

[@beyoutifulthatfasttravel7804]

Proves *^

[@guardianfish7718]

That's why education is a responsibility for everyone, can't just trust blindly

[@80Mollusc]

@@beyoutifulthatfasttravel7804 ironically, OP didn’t proof their comment 😂

[@hejhejaske]

@@80Molluscmaybe English isn’t their first language?

[@illkissyourightnow]

@@hejhejaske well, even if that’s the case now they have the ability to learn something new about the language they’re using :)

[@bashingthrough]

This whole debate uncoupled my mitochondria.

[@starchaser6024]

Better start smoking

[@Naty_Sousa]

​@@starchaser6024😂

[@kimbonguno4741]

Smoke some Cigarettes and maybe some Meth before bed ~ probably Dr. Grundy

[@thejoshbailey]

L O L

[@itspartytime509]

Try meraki methylene blue. That will get your mitochondria back in shape!

[@heftychesty]

I'm absolutely sure listening to Dr. Gundry talk has given me more inflammation, disrupted my gut microbiome more, and caused me more leaky gut problems than anything I've eaten before or after listening to this podcast

[@mustafasaed7766]

Storytelling does not equal causation

[@tupakkaonhyvaa]

It's the apples. Smoking a cigarette may help.

[@LarysaNick]

Official medicine will never personally provide you with correct information, after the economy of your country keeps on changing that A1 milk is useful, that modern bread is useful, that nightshades are useful. You believe in medicine because it hasn't made all the money from you yet.

[@LarysaNick]

Dr. Gundry looks younger than you

[@jenshk]

Yesterday I hadn't heard of Dr. Gundry. I miss those days.

[@RufusWayneright-br6fh]

Me too. I really wish I hadn't seen his smug face either.

[@captaingramcrackergrams5990]

Eh sometimes it's good to hear and see something so stupid because it can make you feel better about yourself even if you're not the sharpest tool in the shed lol

[@KG-xf1xc]

This interview is so masterfully done. He’s answered nothing and your patience in this is incredible. He is so smug and self righteous- it’s exuding from the screen. Good for you guys for conducting such a respectful conversation

[@rollinupeverest5042]

Dude he constantly gave him correct answers but the lady wanted to spelled statistical nonsense to try to throw him under the rug and not listen to him😂

[@Condogwhizbang]

​@@rollinupeverest5042I've got a bridge to sell you

[@Bigbean1992]

Doc Gundry is an expert at not answering questions directly.

[@niklasamdin8682]

Also at changing and twisting his previous answers when he gets proven wrong

[@tylerl4472]

Sounds like a politician for sure

[@willstopher4020]

Just like a politician!

[@bruceh3786]

It is difficult to answer a question directly when one is consistently cut off in their response.

[@NameWitheldByRequest]

@@bruceh3786 who is cutting of whom?

[@takethistourgrave]

This was hard to watch...but a must watch tbh. The public does need to to be privy to these conversations among professionals. We may not understand all of the nuances, technical terms, studies, etc, but we do see where each doctor stands when it comes to patient care. Thank you Dr Mike for showing us this layered moment. It is humbling how much you care about our health ❤

[@eugenetswong]

You are exactly right. It's only good for some of us, though, because bad ideas can reinforce stubborn people. That being said, we probably need yo find ways to give people a broader perspective and more understanding of what is going here, while using layman's terms. How is the average person going to know for certain that this is an "anecdote" or pre selected bias?

[@fetB]

And i thought the title confronting was some clikbait, and i was ready to downvote. But surprised it was an actual confrontation

[@skydivenext]

He went partying in full lockdown covid times lol Everything is a public persona

[@johnrhodes3350]

He doesn't care enough to listen carefully and ask for further elucidation in areas he doesn't know about. Mike knows enough to be a narcissist who is useless to half his patients. He could start by looking up Zonulin, molecular mimicry, HLA-DQ2 and/or DQ8 autoimmune thyroid, insulin resistance, mitochondrial health

[@HuFlungDung2]

I'm mystified how lab tests can detect harmful markers when there's no placebo group from which to draw this ideal blood sample. Every marker is subject to interpretation by whoever is looking at it, there is no real understanding of how ALL the factors add up in function.

[@pixelarbiter]

I’m a smoker myself but I’m well aware of the adverse health effects of such, hearing Dr. Gundry try to argue it’s a beneficial habit is just plain upsetting. I know the risk I put myself under by smoking and whilst I don’t plan on stopping I would never, unlike Dr. Gundry, promote it especially with a platform as large as his is.

[@Buzzzy-bee]

Why don’t you plan on stopping?

[@Buzzzy-bee]

Just genuinely curious

[@tomrogue13]

​@@Buzzzy-bee some ppl like the act of smoking. My friend is like this. She knows smoking is bad, but still smokes a pack a day

[@brycewalburn3926]

Dr. Mike: "Anecdotes are not sufficient evidence" Dr. Gundry: "Well, let me give you an example..." Rinse and repeat 100000x

[@Ribcut]

All evidence is anecdotal. You're relying on people who conduct studies to document their findings, and trusting they are adjusting appropriate variables without a vested interest. I'm not defending Gundry, but this entire dismissal of anecdotal (the first and most basic form of science) is nearly as ignorant as the people who ignore studies.

[@jace.alexander.almalki]

​@@Ribcutno not all evidence are anecdotes, that's simply a falso statement

[@scottm2553]

Dr. Mike pokes a hole, Dr. Gundry moves onto something else... I'm not a doctor but I'm like woah.

[@brycewalburn3926]

@@Ribcut You missed Dr. Mike's point entirely.

[@imoeazy]

​@@Ribcut if you cant tell the real intentions of each doctor then no evidence will help you understand what's best for you

[@tommcmasters8429]

I am only 15 minutes in but am impressed that both panelist have allowed the other to speak through an entire point and counter point without interruption. Looking forward to see how it progresses.

[@drbrandonsantan]

You will be disappointed. They don’t let Dr. Gundry speak much after the 15 minute mark.

[@dererik9070]

​@@drbrandonsantanmost importantly he wont show anything but annecdotal evidence

[@DaronMouradian]

@@dererik9070its not anecdotal its just cherrypicked sentences in studies that aren’t necessarily coming to the same conclusion that dr gundry has concluded…

[@CairynJay]

They have way more self control than I would have. I’d have to take notes on things I would want to refute just to keep myself from interrupting 😅😅

[@michealscarn1324]

@@drbrandonsantan yes they have. Dr Gundry was literally trying to shut up Dr. Belardo when she was explaining why his favorite study was being misrepresented by him. He kept saying “uhp. Uhp. Uhp. Uhp.” while she was explaining. Dr Gundry wasn’t some sort of victim in this. He just couldn’t defend his ideas as effectively as you would’ve wanted.

[@ameerulaqmalmalek9470]

I am just a blue collar worker with no medicine background, yet this conversation is so fascinating i stay to the end. What a wonderful content.

[@zaidtalib4513]

@@user-zu1kf he means hes just a blue collar worker with no medicine background????? what are you confused about

[@dollroom]

I agree!!

[@endlessentertainmentgaming]

Same brother, took me a little to understand what the hell they were talking about and what stuff was but was extremely interesting once i started to understand.

[@rieyuki]

@@endlessentertainmentgamingI get you. It’s why it is so dangerous for a smooth talker like Gundry to talk about his rubbish to non doctors who don’t have enough knowledge to question what he’s saying.

[@endlessentertainmentgaming]

⁠@@rieyukitrue that

[@katietrewitt2861]

As a nurse who worked in CVICU, and now works in a data role, helping our hospital to maintain compliance with our cardiac registries, I really appreciate what you have done. As a nurse, by default, I am not the top authority or expert. If I were to debate someone like Dr. Gundry, on something as basic as the fact that cigarettes are bad, it would be instantly dismissed. Thank you to you and Dr. Bellardo for being the grown-ups in the room!

[@RogerRabbit342]

Mike, doc, bro, this discussion had me at the eye of my seat. I’ve been following you for years and I share each video that will help my wife (who will pick up on people like him) understand why I advocate your words. Please never sell out or change. You are one of the most genuine helpful channels for people like us who live among doctors with knowledge from 30 years ago.

[@JessicaNichole89]

​@lastfreemen can you not come up with another response? You've legitimately commented that multiple times.

[@thund3rlord181]

​@@cornelius_lcxHe's not promoting high fructose diets? Gundry is the one saying you might as well eat Hershey's because grapes are sugar bombs

[@carolinedill6836]

12:15 “a man hears what he wants to hear and discards the rest..” love how he says exactly what he’s preaching

[@BootStrapTurnerVideography]

The modern Allen Keys. Cherry picking results from blue zones will always support any conclusion.

[@brianlewis8722]

I believe it was Paul Simon in the classic tune The Boxer, "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."

[@frankrosati6403]

Grundy is a non-smoker, who was educated to believe that smoking is an unmitigated evil and he saw that there are long-lived populations that are heavy smokers. How do you accuse him of being the one who "hears what he wants to hear"? That was exactly what he didn't want to hear. Apparently, you are discarding what you don't want to hear.

[@mrkz8986]

@@brianlewis8722Yeah, great song with great lyrics, it’s a shame that this guy is twisting its meaning like that

[@willpower6720]

But Gundry is right and the other two are wrong. Watch the video. Gundry is helping and curing his patients and Dr Mike is complaining that he can’t get them to stop eating candy bars Fr.

[@Caroooo53]

The expertise and extremely valuable insight that Dr. Danielle Belardo enhances this conversation with is brilliant. So glad she was a part of this.

[@Ghost-in-the-snow]

For real, I learnt so much from her.

[@karma-616]

Yeah and vegan! I was impressed. Followed her on Insta but she doesn't seem to active there

[@sdndynalishiwa9367]

I agree

[@kausthubkrishnamurthy2410]

100% she is ABSOLUTELY on top of the data in her field.

[@kausthubkrishnamurthy2410]

100% she is ABSOLUTELY on top of the data in her field.

[@conni369]

Thank you Dr Mike and Dr Belardo! Wow!! This has opened my eyes with Dr Gundry I’m stunned! He sounds like he’s lost his marbles. So glad I found this interview.! Glad to see both doctors have decent morals to still help people.

[@gthenumb5841]

I just want to say I truly appericiate Dr. Belardo's scientific comebacks and how she executed her argumentation with providing explanations on things people like me would not understand if not explained because we are not studying or educated in this field.

[@nicreven]

I haven't seen her before but my first thought when I heard her talk was "WOW dude you're really good at talking" I feel like I could listen to her for hours, she's so articulate

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

The difference between a grifter and the physician. She wants you to understand so you can make informed decisions while he wants to confuse you with words so he appear smart and sell you his products

[@aidenoffire1987]

As someone with a couple of autoimmune diseases, I am *so* glad Dr. Mike called him out for being a cardio doctor telling people to ignore RHEUMATOLOGISTS.

[@AngelaSealana]

Yes, this is worth repeating in a comment - my rheumatologist walks with me through what can be a really really frustrating journey.

[@meganchandler30]

This loser is incredibly ignorant. He should keep his mouth shut about autoimmune disease treatments.

[@UandMeDasame]

Have you tried the beef carnivore diet? Only salt and pepper, no sugar and carbs. Worked for me🤷‍♂️

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@UandMeDasame Ah yes. The "Have you tried [single food] diet?" comment comes.

[@chasindigo]

The issue is you can get one good rheumatologist and 25 "bad" ones, which Dr Mike makes clear that the health system doesn't give doctors enough time to go through with every patient exactly what to do how to overcome their illness. Gundry "provides a solution" and like the individual is being listen to. That is main problem, doctors might have the answer (which might be correct) but they don't communicate it well enough for the individual to achieve success or patient misunderstands what is and isnt required of them. Gundry says some stuff that is off the cuff soundbites that are incredibly misleading but if you listen more closely and get to the crux of what he is saying, it is to eat a balanced Mediterranean diet (which is the same as what most cardiac doctors say as well).

[@melaniehubbard8983]

“There’s a really good correlation between ice cream sales and shark attacks as well” - Dr. Mike, summed up this discussion perfectly 😂 CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

[@ALX65]

What a coincidence,in this very long interview,that scene played just as i read your comment lol

[@cloud_catus8500]

If anyone would like to see more random correlations, there is a paper out there listing random correlations (like cheese consumption and dicovorce rates). They show graphs that seem to have the same shape, but are completely disconnected from one another.

[@svenjahartwig535]

I love this 😂

[@BeeSweet16]

Unless there is A LOT of correlation

[@ucchi9829]

Correlation can mathematically equal causation :)

[@thebloodgod5885]

Honestly hats off to Doctor Mike here. Remained polite and courteous the whole way through, its a shame Gundry couldn't treat you two with the same respect

[@paigez7680]

I haven't heard of Dr. Danielle Belardo before, but wholly WOW!! She is SO well spoken, so intelligent, so just pheromonal! Thank you for bringing her on! She's just AMAZING! Love her!

[@angusheath5321]

Pheromonal? It's getting zesty in here!

[@kisikisikisi]

She has a podcast called Wellness: Fact vs. Fiction that I highly recommend.

[@im.braylen]

Ur glazing bud

[@im.braylen]

Doing tricks on it

[@smackerlacker8708]

She's a spaz...

[@Angel-sd3in]

Dr Mike: so, tell me about your patients Dr gundry: well let me give you an example from this one hunter tribe

[@SparkleSurprise-nv5di]

All these doctors in general are quacks

[@mediumshane]

I too get frustrated when I have to have nuanced opinions. ​@@SparkleSurprise-nv5di

[@Noah07602]

@@SparkleSurprise-nv5diDo you include dr. Mike & his friend? Or do you mean doctors like dr. Gundry? I didn’t fully understand your reply, sorry 😅

[@stevethea5250]

TIME?

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

@@Noah07602 Yeah, sure, trust the doctor who doesn`t even know what niacin is

[@jordanmcneely95]

When she said “I actually looked up your publications and didn’t find anything except an abstract,” dawg I lost it 😂😂

[@excelagangan9231]

Fr😂

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

I think it is worrying that they all say that jews are a problem.

[@tengahhidup]

Timestamp?

[@corinbvvvc]

@@tengahhidup It’s before the 20 minute mark in the 2nd large section of the video

[@willpower6720]

Numb nuts. He’s not a researcher. Try to keep up.

[@leleh5712]

Fruits are actually available year round in some parts of the world.

[@lukullberg955]

Yes but they are picked when they are ripe, his point is that the fruit we eat are not good because they are picked unripe and ripen when they arrive

[@rebeccalamora3266]

Dr. Mike has a the patience of a saint. This guy is talking in circles. He has potential to be a great politician.

[@syreetanolan5302]

Same…. I am 20 minutes in and I feel like he has gone in a million circles. I am going to have to speed this conversation up to try to get through this. He really REALLY needs to be a politician. 13:28 this is all I have made it to so far with my ADHD.

[@Gold_pickaxe]

@@syreetanolan5302you stopped watching 30 seconds after the woman started talking lmao

[@GreenMantis2007]

​@@Hanibal_666um... Dr. Mike is still very much a practicing doctor.

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

@@Hanibal_666 Why are you lying?

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

@@Gold_pickaxe That is baseless assertion. We call it "putting your head in your ass."

[@hladinibhosale]

Honestly i will never be able to express my gratitude completely. The amount of times i have made wrong decisions in terms of my health before i discovered this channel, is insane to me. I've had obesity issues, mental health issues and loads of diseases and hospital visits as well. But ever since I've been following your videos, listening to your podcasts and trying to implement some of your advice in my daily schedule, it has improved my quality of life so much. Thank you so much Dr. Mike. You say to us a lot, but i hope you are doing well mentally, emotionally and physically as well. Please stay happy and healthy too ❤

[@MisterEE100]

Well if you follow Dr Gundry all you need is nicotine and the occasional seasonal fruit to cure everything.

[@hladinibhosale]

@@MisterEE100 Lmaooo i pity the ones who follow him though.

[@albertmotbey1128]

Can Dr Mike moderate political debates? He did a wonderful job keeping everything professional while allowing both guests to get their points across and calling out any misinformation

[@syedhisham2594]

the other thing is the people who are involved in the debate are doctors.. and if you see a scientific debate.. they are very professional but the participants of a political debate are uneducated, unprofessional people.. frankly the whole democratic structure of governance is a failure as Socrates pointed it out..

[@notwelcome2452]

I'd like to see Dr Mike and Vivek Ramaswamy discuss how to reform the health care system...that might be interesting

[@jessealexander9074]

Team Mike

[@DanielGarcia-rx3kt]

@@cornelius_lcx you didn't watch the video properly. My condolences for your delusions.

[@pheocanathebookishwitch5025]

​@@cornelius_lcxYou misunderstood Dr. Mike's argument. If the best thing you can do in helping a patient adjust their diet is to restrict fruit consumption by season, you probably don't need to be adjusting their diet.

[@merkinatorz7678]

This is the content I need. I don't trust that my GP is on top of new info and social media 'doctors' are so conflicting but all yell authoritatively into echo chambers. I need to see experts in conversation to work out the non-negotiables and hear them argue their cases on areas of disagreement.

[@blockbusstar]

The whole podcast in a nutshell Dr Gundry: Fruits are bad Dr Mike: but they contain so many nutrients Dr Gundry: yes that’s why they are healthy Dr mike: but you said they are horrible Dr Gundry: yes, I treat people in my clinic

[@zzz_zzz_ZZZ_zzz_ZZZ_ZZZ_Z_z-ZZ]

Gundry keeps talking in circles...

[@stefanallard3084]

Dosent he mean that those are nightshades? Wich are extremly inflammatory. I get brainfog n fatigue by eating it for just a few days. Obviously arent Mike educates enough w just being 30 years old or whatever he is

[@stefanallard3084]

​@@zzz_zzz_ZZZ_zzz_ZZZ_ZZZ_Z_z-ZZ your iq is to low to understand, he talks and explain it simple enough for even young Mike to understand

[@AyMTor]

Dr. Gundry makes me wish cancel culture was real. This man is an idiot. "Don't worry you won't die of heart disease, lung cancer on the other hand..." 👀🤣

[@mariaespiritu9512]

😂😂 yep, agree with this summary; props to Dr. Mike for staying civil and calm

[@joeporter3136]

These conversations would've previously been conducted behind closed doors. It's exciting to see them unfold in a semi-public setting.

[@CaribbeanCasanova]

1.5 million views is “semi” public 🤣

[@Mimiscellaneous]

@@CaribbeanCasanovaSemi public because to see this you have to search or already follow Dr. Mike. I think these kind of segments should be on TV; but the news and talk shows focus on sensationalism. They talk about things for overly extended periods of time; many things that don’t matter to the average Joe.

[@CaribbeanCasanova]

@@Mimiscellaneous thank god most people who watch tv 📺 are old Asf 😂

[@Vosudd]

I think there’s a volatility to this kind of format. People who aren’t able to make educated decisions picking sides and cherry picking advice because well “they’re all doctors” I’d rather they figure this out to the best of their ability and report a conclusion rather than anyone get hurt or spread misinformation 3rd hand to their friends and family. It’s definitely cool to listen in, but maybe not good for us layman on the topic. Muddy waters you know?

[@killerwolf9821]

​@CaribbeanCasanova uh yes to billions of pol 1.5 mil is nothing

[@DemiAisha]

Huge respect to Mike here. Probably going insane about all the things he says, but still trying to stay reasonable and calm

[@marcusramirez3436]

. Dr mike and valardo are pharma puppets.. drs for 25yrs combined.versus gundry 50yrs of being a dr.

[@rodneyjohnson8341]

@jferreira2037 Mike is a garden variety doctor Dr Gundry is a heart surgeon. Mike is an out of his league KZbinr….

[@snowys7667]

Every time doctor Mike ask something the other guy just deflects by saying something even more crazy

[@HERMITBOY]

How’s he deflecting? He gives examples for most of Mikes skepticism.

[@smashmusique]

@@snowys7667 I'll agree Gundry doesn't answer the questions everytime, but most of the time he was rationnal, not emotionnal. Yes he has anecdotes and that is not a meta analysis, but it 's still to answer the questions. I think he would want more research done to confirm his anecdotes. It's not because something sounds crazy that it's false

[@teamstormy7030]

Thumbs up to Dr. Danielle Belardo and Dr. Mike for the way they have conducted themselves in all this video. 🎉❤️ The grapes situation was one of the points: The "mind as well" 🤦

[@manuelfranjo1643]

Thank you for not giving him another platform to mislead people unchecked. The type of statements he gives are to be rebuked like this.

[@claireisacamel]

I also think it’s interesting to bring up populations who don’t regularly screen for certain diseases, and then say “the diseases don’t exist in those populations.”

[@yianna147]

EXACTLY

[@HSMfanatic17]

Lack of documentation is not negation!!!!!

[@TheShizzlemop]

@@HSMfanatic17 the absence of evidence apparently means that there is evidence of absence to this guy. and we cant forget that correlation means causation, which he seems to base his beliefs on.

[@krystaperry288]

“Who’s overeating fruit??” I genuinely loved this debate.

[@kashkoncious2637]

Raw vegans 😭

[@Gawnfall]

You can over eat fruit, too much sugar/fructose is too much. Period.

[@ellobetchess]

Fruitarians. Vegans with binge eating disorder. People who love to feel physically full yet not satisfied at all and sh!t themselves to death after constant bloating. Today's fruit is not natural and is way more sweet thanks to men manipulating it. Its not good for you regardless of who pushes what.

[@snap.-_-]

​@@Gawnfallbut the majority of people can't get to that point without feeling sick from all the sugar

[@josephboustany4852]

​@@snap.-_- People are addicted to sugar It's in practically everything we eat Only problem is it's near impossible to grow your own vegetables and raise your own livestock

[@zdravkobelyashki6698]

Kudos to Dr Danielle Belardo! I am fascinated by her insights into cardiology. That is how you should have a medical debate.

[@shawngains]

I’m sorry can we please get some more commotion for Dr. Belardo ?!?! This is literally her bread and butter, she 1000% knew what she was talking about and she took the discussion seriously despite Dr. Gundry shutting her and Dr. Mike down multiple times

[@katherinej51679]

And I may be super shallow but she is also extremely beautiful.

[@SeniorSunday]

He was so rude cutting her off/mocking her by stuttering over her while she was trying to talk. She handled it well!

[@jeffward24]

​@SeniorSunday While true, to a point, it was also Cleary those two versus him. The host Regularly interrupted him and added sarcastic question quips, while she Regularly interrupted him and smiled/smirked at him, in a passive aggressive manner, as if to show disagreement and arrogance in her belief she was right. If I were him, I might've acted similarly, over time. And she's a Vegan. Have a nice day.

[@SeniorSunday]

@@jeffward24 I applaud their self restraint because he was disrespectful and full of logical fallacies the entire time. They cut in to redirect his straw man arguments and to get him to actually answer the questions they were asking. He just ignored their logic and counter evidence to move the goal post every time he was called on his sh*t. He was full of unsubstantiated claims and kept cutting in with irrelevant and cherry picked data points that only made sense in a vacuum. What he is saying is dangerous, and anyone who has taken debate or studied classical logic will understand how and why his line of argumentation is baseless. I cannot overstate how disingenuous he is being here.

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

Eat more seed oils, please.

[@camtron1967]

Gundry seems like the type of guy to say “since I haven’t died once while I’ve been alive, statistically I will live forever.”

[@LarysaNick]

You look like the type of guy who isn't fooled by deogharzhava and its recognized science, which is based on business - agriculture, medicine, pharmacies. And you actively support this business.

[@brianconlogue1302]

Not really. He is a very well educated person in his field. I don’t know what he said that is outrageous at all. When he talked about smoking he clearly stated that it wasn’t the act of smoking but the nicotine that aided in longevity which I’m pretty sure nicotine is known to not be harmful and has its benefits. He talked about microbes in the gut and when he did they didn’t say he wasnt wrong they said they just can’t prove that yet… they brought up when they used to use beta blockers for patients having a bypass and how they would never do it now. We get things wrong sometimes in the pursuit of the truth. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t always search for the truth. And when there was a Dr saying you should never give beta blockers to someone after a bypass, they would say that Dr doesn’t know what they are talking about and is stupid. I’m not saying this guy knows everything. But doctors who question the norm have been the ones who have given us breakthroughs in medicine. We need people to question the norm and try other options if we ever want to learn more. Again, I’m not saying he is right but this is how we advance at all as a society so for that. I love the conversation.

[@LarysaNick]

​@@brianconlogue1302I do not like the behavior of Dr. Mike and his partner. They just look like they don't want to develop.

[@Real_ThatOnePerson]

@@LarysaNick huh? What behaviour lmao? He just disagreed and was polite the entire time.

[@MrMikk532]

I was left intensely confused why Dr. Gundry isn't recording the data of his patients and publishing these outcomes. He kept on saying, "come to my clinic, you will see". But not once says "I'm also publishing this data soon to statistically prove my claims and my patient outcome. Please review my publications and I can address any study design or analysis concerns".

[@takethistourgrave]

Exactly. The fact that he believes he can cure all diseases shows why he wouldnt publish his data. Unlike Dr B and Dr Mike, he doesn't actually care about his patients

[@emailjwr]

Had exactly this thought

[@danielgrant9213]

Because apparently he's so special that he don't need no scientific method.

[@Kindnessisnotweakness]

It's wild that people will listen to this man's advice when he isn't publishing his data. Imagine what good he could do if he could support his claims.

[@daniloeltunas7432]

I like that mike is great debating, he knows hot to ask the key queystion to bring up the contradiction

[@priscillavlnz]

As a nurse who's seen many people die from the effects of being smokers (and some were healthy besides that), this was incredibly eye twitching right off the bat. Kudos for this convo because wow

[@blakeunderwood1075]

He’s being realistic. Honestly, I thought Gundry was gonna be extra but he’s being incredibly nuanced.

[@vision821k4]

Do you believe vaping is safer than smoking cigarettes?

[@morganssmashingpearls3329]

He wasn’t saying smoking is healthy. He was noting that there is little by way of studies as to what makes populations with longevity live despite being smokers.

[@Indylimburg]

​@@morganssmashingpearls3329 Nuance is lost on people apparently.

[@guruj8827]

I feel like unless you’ve studied these things massively or put thousands of hours into your own experiments it’s hard to really say who’s right and wrong depending on the exact point they are trying to make with the study

[@victoria.sto.writing]

It's heart-warming to see a professional sitting down and respectfully explaining from a scientific point what are the problems with promoting such unreliable things. Thank you Doctor Mike for this video, the internet truly needs it!

[@peachspirit2222]

All though this wasn’t an easy conversation, I think you did a great job discussing in a professional way.

[@MUIDYLANICE]

The worst part is alot of what he said started off with facts then he always goes off into nonsense whenever hes questioned

[@onemanshow4116]

Unfortunately, Dr Gundry doesn’t need to be right. All he needs to do is get away with making people think he MIGHT be onto something. That’s it. Once he’s done that, he can sell you all the supplements that appear directly after EVERY SINGLE pitch he gives. Money. That’s what Dr. Gundry is all about.

[@retireorbust]

@@MUIDYLANICE He jumps to conclusions, not a slow movement toward but jumps. That's impatience, ego. If I were a doctor I would be just like that. I drive my wife crazy.

[@MUIDYLANICE]

@@retireorbust Agreed.

[@BM03]

I'm so glad I found the clip about the "grapes are sugar bombs" bit and came to see this whole thing. Keep those amazing samples coming. Also I am at a loss with this "eat fruits only in season". I thought there was always *some* fruit growing every season and he's not talking about eating the *same* fruit being an offender, but also... I live in a tropical island, it's summer year round...

[@gabriellegunvik4377]

Me who lives in Scandinavia where it’s dark half the year

[@brycemurrin5130]

The amount of self control displayed in this interview is truly admirable. I don’t know how I would react to someone like this. Especially if I had dedicated my life’s work to legitimate, supported study on the topic

[@RubyTwilite]

This is how adults are supposed to speak to one another, especially if they are doctors (meaning people who are supposed to rely on the scientific method and evidence based practice.)

[@Mr_NB628]

Imagine how you would react if you went into his office as a potential patient and he told you that apples are evil 😂

[@AnaLopez-cc4nw]

I know, it must be so hard. They should give like a class on self control during debate. I would take that class.

[@kathyweddle4874]

Thank you so much for talking to this doctor. I see his ads 100 times a day and they’re so deceiving. Thank you for making him explain his theories .

[@thefullsp]

It’s always Lectins from this guy

[@crowmedicine3890]

He DID explain his theories, though.

[@depressivschwul2377]

⁠@@crowmedicine3890he’s quick to dismiss comments though. Sure he “listens” but he’s quick to deflect or flip it in his favor.

[@crowmedicine3890]

@@depressivschwul2377 Honestly, that's what he's there for. Mike brought him on for a debate.

[@kathyweddle4874]

@@crowmedicine3890 that’s what I said! “Thank you for making him explain his theories”

[@cadancekerber1050]

I love how passionate Dr. Belardo is about her specialty. It's exciting to see her get excited to share studies and science with us. Her enthusiasm is inspiring!!

[@JC-yc2sz]

Are you crazy. She is only good at regurgitating other people's work. Then repeating it continuously. I had to fast forward her parts after a while. She's so boring too.

[@JenniferMillerRDU]

I really, really appreciate the tone of this interview and I love the difference of opinions being shared. I have struggled with an autoimmune disorder, IBS, for 15 years. I need help in ways that the majority of Americans do not. I don't eat tons of processed foods or drink excessively and I exercise....but I cant get healthy with a relatively normal diet -I need a diet that will help me repair my gut. Dr Gundry's methods have merrit in my book

[@annak8604]

First of all, thank you Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo. You are both not only clearly experts in your fields but showed incredible patience and the kind of communication skills many will never learn. I have been buzzing about this video and how well you two did with several healthcare providers I work with. I have Fructose Malabsorption, can't eat ANYTHING with fructose (even if it's natural like in honey or apples) and it took me years to be diagnosed. Never in my LIFE would I recommend that EVERYONE stop eating fructose! It's like saying since some people are allergic to nuts no one should ever even look at an almond again. And just because I don't eat any fructose whatsover, doesn't mean my diet is healthy (I love me some carbs!).

[@CF542]

"Sickness is good for business". That quote is at the core of the issues of health in our society.

[@86Raxor]

Yes and Dr Mike felt that deep within the soul when he heard that. That's why it went silent for awhile :D

[@gaspytheghost]

When is that said?

[@Fridelain]

Near the end @@gaspytheghost

[@XXC4.]

Drop the timeline? Ty

[@stupedcraig]

CEO's are required by law to make profits for their company because they have a fiduciary duty to shareholders. I'd say the issue reaches further than just health care.

[@thenursiversity7975]

Mad props to Dr. Danielle! Badass woman 😎 kept her composure and spoke so eloquently.

[@Kodak363]

Yes I agree with everyone else, props to Dr.Mike for not flipping out on this man!

[@johnbernard6719]

I'm usually unwilling to sit through a KZbin video that's more than 30 minutes long. This hour and 45 minutes was worth every second.

[@johnbernard6719]

1.75 x speed for me.

[@turtlesrprettycool3379]

what’s up with y’all’s attention spans lol

[@PenielShober]

I’d be watching 2-3 hour videos every few days lol

[@brennakesterson23]

Same

[@Alex-cw3rz]

This is the best way to do this, going in calmly with the facts of the matter, bringing in an expert and therefore being able to debunk his points.

[@SrslyBored1]

Nothing has shot down this man's arguments faster than him stating things are good for you then saying immediately after that he doesn't do it.

[@williamrobertson892]

Lol ikr? Says smoking is good for these people then turns around in the same breath and says he has never smoked a cig in his life 😂

[@Jezziha]

or when Dr. gundry said "humans can't produce vitamin C on their own" only to seconds later say "HOWEVER olive oil doubles our vitamin C production" ???? :""DD

[@Hohohohoho-vo1pq]

@@williamrobertson892 He never said smoking is good though. Why is everyone lying on the comment section together with Mike? He said nicotine was good, not smoking.

[@Gingersnaperz]

@@Hohohohoho-vo1pqright but at the same time it’s already difficult to see Dr. Gundry’s actually stance on every argument because of the statements he makes. If you’re going to be as bold as to say “nicotine is good for you” when the topic includes cigarettes, it’s wildly negligent to just say “well I didn’t say smoke cigarettes.” There is legitimately no other reason to say “oh well nicotine is good for you” in a discussion revolving around cigarette other than maybe playing devils advocate OR justifying the use of cigarettes and this guy never seemed like he was playing devils advocate because then he would stand by all of his statements because Dr. Gundry couldn’t take a single L. Even Dr. Mike near the end was professional enough to be like “I don’t know I’m smart enough to know when I don’t know something” and while I do think that was also an intentional jab at Dr. Gundry it’s still true

[@Hohohohoho-vo1pq]

@@Gingersnaperz Dr. Grundy is very bad at communicating but also he tries to sound controversial. It's well known that nicotine has some health benefits. Almost all studies claiming nicotine is bad is done on smokers. But you can take nicotine without smoking. Some studies that just compared plain nicotine vs no nicotine intake found some benefits. Dr. Grundy can't even explain that properly. He is just trying to sound extra controversial for attention maybe. He doesn't communicate what he believes clearly.

[@lithious]

It's the opening statement that proves and provides everything in this interview

[@karynstouffer3562]

I have always had serious concerns about Dr Gundry. I have rolled my eyes so hard at some of the things he claims, I was afraid I had pulled a muscle. I'm so glad you presented this discourse. Debunk away, dear Dr Mike, debunk away. 💓💓💓

[@MarkKlenk]

Watched more of this. I really appreciate the respectful discourse here. Kudos to Dr. Belardo for clarifying the need for a wide variety of evidence, not anecdotes. I have no doubt that Dr. Gundry has success with his patients, but I think he is doing a disservice to the overall population by generalizing and extremizing recommendations.

[@MarkKlenk]

Dr. Gundry is eloquent and comes across as very convincing. I am catching myself considering his arguments and even recommendations in spite of the lack of evidence. This frightens me.

[@euphoriaorphan]

yes! I agree

[@gretchenisasquirrel]

The constant ebb and flow (cycles of popular interest) in diet restrictions and additions is as old as humanity in society. The one variable structure we have now the most power over, food choices are focused towards that effort. Taking control over the uncontrollable factors of our health inheritance. That's one reason why food groups become demonized and diefied, regularly. Our exercise, sleep and other lifestyle choices in the health building arena are nowhere near as 'sexy' or inclusive or exclusive than what we choose to either say we eat or don't. It becomes a religious like devotion and identity for many individuals. Particularly when theyve had health impacted and suddenly a particular diet combination appears at the last moment, to like a super hero, save the day. The least interesting idea is moderation. It's unsellable and dispassionate. It takes discipline. It takes effort and most often, ppl equate those with drudgery.​@MarkKlenk

[@mariaespiritu9512]

I love Dr. Belardo interjecting with actual evidence-based data.

[@stefanallard3084]

​@@MarkKlenkyou are rediciolous, Anecdotes is what we need to find the cause of disease, as in todays society we cant trust studies due to most of them are manipulated to fail (if the cure is a vitamin/mineral)

[@stephenstanton6860]

What’s so scary about all this is idk 90% of what they’re talking about, yet this Gundry talks with such confidence that if he was your provider you’d listen to him. That’s dangerous. Thank God for Danielle being there to counter

[@ChumbisDilliams]

I agree, and I think this is a good argument for understanding logic/rhetorical tools, because it helps you see the shape of the conversation and how it does (or does NOT) actually address the points being made. For example, constant shifting of the conversational focus, contradicting yourself, distractions, talking in circles, are all things Dr. Gundry is doing to avoid a direct back-and-forth about the solidity of his own arguments. That's definitely not something you can really do in the clinic though, so I'm with you there... Hope to god your doctor doesn't feel like going on a cash grab book-writing tour.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

Danielle has no clue.

[@josha1536]

How do you know who to believe? Because standards can’t be wrong? Everyone pushing the envelope is crazy… until they’re not. Don’t be so fast to judge

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

@@AngryEpileptic He wasn't pro-smoking. Stop being dumb. He was talking about the nicotine component. He is far more intelligent than either of the two other people.

[@iamsadandlame]

​@@josha1536standards can be adjusted as we gather more and more reliable information and data over time. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to discern which information is credible to build the scientific consensus on and move forward with further research. If someone is making claims that refute years of scientific research chances are they have ulterior motives. Like selling supplements to protect you from the thing he says is bad now.

[@T1taNo]

This is Gold! Absolute Gold. I’ve heard some of Dr Gundrys statements and wondered curiously if that can really be true, and this just de-bunks everything. Very respectful and polite dialogue, but my conclusion is that Dr.Gundry is mis-leading and mis-communicating based on stories and not solid evidence, which is dangerous. Its lazy, sensational and no one should follow only his advice.

[@kaiiikaiii21]

He even said that the blue zones should not be used as evidence BUT LITERALLY USES IT AS EVIDENCE THE ENTIRE TIME 😭😭😭

[@mousemd]

😂

[@StreakyBaconMan]

It was difficult to watch "so are there any studies to back that up?" "Oh yes absolutely, but I am going to bring up a bunch of anecdotes till you forget you asked me for actual peer reviewed scientific studies that support the conclusions I am making"

[@kaiiikaiii21]

@@StreakyBaconMan literally 😭😭

[@adam_waz_good_4660]

@@StreakyBaconManyou took the words out of my mouth. My step dad was a confident idiot like gundry, and this video is just a childhood flashback lmao. In gundry’s case, I imagine he does it to save face so he can keep making money, but confident idiots will genuinely just blabber until they (and hopefully you) forget the question. Here’s a conversation with my stepdad. “Why do you think China is planning an invasion” “with the state of our current economy and our standard military codes means that we can only engage with neighboring countries of them”. End of conversation

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

@@StreakyBaconMan “Yes - now let me tell you a tangentially related story”

[@JavoMartineez]

I actually learned a lot from this doctor. He is the best at dodging questions and derailing the conversation to where he wants it to go

[@average_mouse]

Sharing this video with my Debate teacher!

[@baileywise9725]

​@@average_mouse honestly a perfect example of saying a lot without substance and pointing a debate/conversation to where his biases and intended point are.

[@tulipgal4ever333]

He’ll prob run for President next 😂

[@AV-wn7xz]

Have you seen Gavin Newsome?

[@MoviesGamesMusic]

I’ll give you an example… this guy at Harvard said something very interesting… but here’s another example unrelated to the other example I never finished… and did you know that apes don’t smoke cigarettes yet they get their nicotine from bananas which is great becaaaaaauuuusse the bananas inherent magical components that counteract AIDS… which is what? An autoooooimuuune disease (smug smirk knowing how many morons will buy my book)

[@abigailconroy3280]

As a Registered Dietitian this whole thing was hard to watch. I had a cardiac patient ask me about lectins one time and now I know why!! Kudos to Dr Mike for keeping his cool and remaining professional while also steering the discussion towards evidence based medicine. I will definitely be subscribing!

[@kentclark6420]

There are armies of people who have successfully lost weight and ended illnesses from diets like the Gaps diet. Then after a few weeks or a month, when the excess weight is gone, a switch to a vegan diet has kept my weight off for several years, and my health is so much improved. I fought off the original UTI with natural means and nutrition. No synthetics. I see hundreds of others say the same thing. Diseases start in the gut where 90% of our immunity comes from. The good bacteria, fed with fermented foods, fights off those diseases and leaky gut.

[@whata86]

I work in a hospital. And patients eat absolute garbage. Way too many carbohydrates. There’s no reason why patients should be eating jellow and drinking soda.

[@frontierlandfrank5314]

Lectins are not good for you and can cause a lot of problems for some people. It’s wild that you would shrug them off. Folks like you in the medical field are the worst. Can never think outside of the stupid box the pharma companies put you in.

[@heymikeyh9577]

At the outset I was wishing they had included a dietitian in this conversation…

[@kentclark6420]

​@@frontierlandfrank5314 I agree, but life makes it so difficult to come to informed conclusions. There are studies, and variables, and subjective differences, all making it hard for anyone to know the entire truth, or agree. I do think that they were all open to each other's findings and hypothesis. At least enough to examine other's experiences. The only way we learn is to look from all angles. Natural healing and a vegan diet brought my health around. But it may not be the same for everyone.

[@leecotton3242]

Fresh apples and pears have been available year round for centuries … if they are properly stored. The book _Lost Country Life_ describes proper harvest and storage of many varieties of foodstuffs in medieval England.

[@gabriellegunvik4377]

Is it a good read?

[@TheThrivingLady]

Wow. This interview was wild. I experienced vicarious gaslighting from Dr. Gundry. He would never acknowledge that his views might be inaccurate. That's dangerous. Dr. Mike showed such professionalism and grace throughout.

[@Ded-Ede]

You said it. I had all types of feelings throughout this interview. I guess Dr. Gundry don’t wanna be sued and have to pay back all the money. That’s why he backtracks, talks in circles and will never say he was wrong by updated science. The unfortunate part is there are so many doctors like this, holding on to belief and dogma as evidence show otherwise, and putting patients health and life in danger. That’s why we cannot be dogmatic and latching on to one doctor, one health lifestyle, and our heads in the sand about other pertinent information out there, so when we go to our doctor, we are educated and open-minded, and it need to go both ways. Beware of dismissive doctors that says I study this, I wrote the book, I have so many viewers and followers so I’m the authority.

[@Magical_Thinking]

Dr Belardo is on top of her game! I love how she can go head to head with Dr Gundry without backing down because she can site the rationale behind everything that she says.

[@misse2013]

39:40 The disrespect from Gundry is disgusting

[@franokeefe2516]

I disagree she is telling you that you have to wait 15 years to try anything that is not validated in peer reviewed studies. In the meantime keep doing what they tell you and when they eventually admit they were wrong about something too bad that you took that advice.

[@mrsfoss3368]

I find her ego is way through the roof

[@ahumanmerelybeing]

I had no idea who she was before this video started, and she's now my hero.

[@SaigesArstgo1031]

@@franokeefe2516thats not what she said at all If nothing is working try something else. Don't write books for the masses though

[@muhyadinmohamed6244]

Love how mike challenged everything he said honestly and without capitulating to any untrue statement. Need more content like this‼️

[@Adler_GGG]

I love how he tried to use, "moms hear this" as an argument and got destroyed on almost every point.

[@Anthonyspartan514]

@@Adler_GGGit is a valid point hasn’t your mother gone of the deep end when hearing health based facts? A lot of moms do this

[@Adler_GGG]

@Anthonyspartan514 if i say crack is bad mite aswell give them heroine, doesn't mean most people will give them heroine. They will most likely use neither based off that information.

[@muhyadinmohamed6244]

@Adler_GGG might aswell*

[@stormiexnights]

​@@Adler_GGGmost people don't do drugs and nobody argues abusing drugs is healthy, most people do eat grapes and/or chocolate.

[@palakbhattacharya3355]

Doctor Mike is RAGING in his heart of hearts ❤‍🔥

[@Shimmermoth_29]

Dr. Belardo: This rigorously tested, repeatable study shows us this…. Dr. Gundry: this anecdote of this one guy showed me…

[@-Anon-Y-mous]

Just don’t forget her first response was we recommend people take Statin drugs - smh. When a doctors recommendation based on tests says you should take the FDA approved drug as the only option to lower vascular disease events. It’s a pretty sad and scary direction to lead people. Obviously all the doctors are still testing on all sides it’s all practicing medicine. But why lean to a drug as the only option?

[@FaithfulLens1]

I'll take anecdotal evidence over those rigorous tests that try to get medications FDA approved. I think they both have merits. But Mike disagrees and isn't hearing what I hear. I don't eat beans at all and I smoke, yet I'm far healthier than my sister who doesn't smoke and eats "healthy". She has heart issues. I do not. Heart disease has hit every generation in my family. Somehow I am the only one without heart issues. Sometimes natural and anecdote is better information in my opinion. Just do your own research and listen to your own body. Not every person is going to feel the same, just do what's right for you.

[@godemperorofmankind3578]

Because the people who would make lifestyle changes wouldn’t have let things get that far. Most the people that take chronic disease medication stay on it the rest of their life in part because of lack of change.

[@cathwalsh9921]

@@-Anon-Y-mousbecause they recognise that most people want a fix without expending effort themselves.

[@camkeena6874]

@@-Anon-Y-mous She's a doctor youre not dont try and seem like you're the expert

[@najiemimo9695]

Bro got offended by the apple a day keeps the doctor away so much he became a medieval doctor

[@HhhOooo-cz9rl]

omg, hahahahah

[@Noah07602]

Lol

[@babyza0]

That comment got a sincere chuckle from me, Ty I needed it😊

[@rik80280]

It’s even more ludicrous, since apples have the longest storage life of almost any fresh fruit available to us. It’s easy to eat apples all winter. Then you have strawberries coming the earliest in the spring and fresh fruit all the way through until apples and persimmons and pears in the fall and for winter storage.

[@gabriellegunvik4377]

that’s an disservice to medieval doctors lol

[@sammito_]

As a physical scientist, I’ve come to recognize the crucial distinction between being a medical doctor and a scientist. While there are MDs who are also skilled scientists, it’s important to understand that an MD degree doesn’t inherently confer scientific expertise. This distinction has become more apparent in the post-COVID-19 era, where some MDs, especially those who have been engaged in desk medicine for an extended period, may lack the necessary scientific training. This sometimes leads to the conflation of correlation with causation, a fundamental misunderstanding in scientific inquiry. It’s essential to remember that correlation does not imply causation and that scientific exploration requires rigorous analysis to establish causal links. I applaud Dr. Mike for providing a space for conversation and debate as this is the correct approach at clarifying these misconceptions and misleading statements provided by confused health professionals.

[@inquisitivenessandcontempl9918]

Medicine is also an art, not just science. Human body is extremely complex and health boils down to a plethora of interconnected factors, many if which remain unknown. And yet the doctor must take action to treat a patient. The difference between medicine and science is that a scientist merely researches the unknown in order to make it known and understand it. And a doctor must actually take action to treat a patient, accepting the fact that there is something (or rather a lot) he doesn't know. Uncertainty is an integral part of doctor's craft that's why it's not only science but also art, and there's a demand for a great deal of intuition in medical profession. So, it's not confusing correlation and causation or lack of understanding on his part or anything like that. It's the extreme complexity and innate uncertainty of the medical field. Some doctors may portray themselves as an ultimate authority in their field by sticking to the prevailing to date research. However, that current research is not ultimate truth but just current state of things which may change when more data is available. So doctors who are sceptical to dogmatic thinking and are open minded may not look like ultimate authority but they are closer to the idea of doctor than those who are dogmatic. Think about lobotomy, which used to be scientifically proven as a valid method of treatment. Until it wasn't.

[@azurec6001]

Lmao - wow

[@tomhiggins875]

What we "know" often changes. I've read that the amount of medical knowledge is said to double every 73 days. Due to this, I think this is one area where AI shows great promise in helping us synthesize that information and to help make great strides in medicine and maybe make personalized medicine a reality.

[@Katie.JesusIsKing]

Well said

[@BFreeGodzilla]

While this is somewhat true, that MDs don't receive as much research experience as PhDs for example, I feel like it's a vast oversimplification that doesn't do anyone justice. Many MDs have graduate degrees and if they don't, they almost always have at least a bit of research experience in the undergraduate portion of their education. Considering how competitive modern medical schools are, it's almost impossible to get into a good medical school without research experience, whether taught in classes or in internships. Additionally, more and more MDs are entering the field of research as a second or secondary career. The vast majority of both PhDs and MDs are more than qualified to conduct and interrupt scientific research. It all depends on the type of research and whether the lead author is competent within their field, regardless of the letter beside their name. I just don't it's fair to say the MDs don't have scientific expertise.

[@Mark_Trail]

Thank you so much for this interview, Dr. Mike! I recommend it to anyone i know that reads one of Dr. Gundry's books. The last 5 minutes was my favorite. Dr. Gundry is an expert at communicating to his patients, but Dr. Mike is an expert in communicating to the public at large. Dr. Gundry does not realize the problem with his wacky statements on smoking and fruit. I could tell Dr. Gundry got really uncomfortable there. The split screen was AMAZING!

[@joeychun3386]

I genuinely learned a lot of useful things from Dr Gundry from this debate, but unfortunately, none of it was about healthcare

[@TheKrispyfort]

quiet chuckle

[@Otakufreak26]

He's a con man lol. What do you expect?

[@burgerboi335]

This gave a hardy chuckle😂

[@toryisawesomeable]

This was a great conversation y'all. And extra props to Dr. Belardo for keeping her composure and being an absolute rockstar

[@TopBillersToolkit]

For someone who has read The Plant Paradox, started following Dr. Gundry's advice and actually started off as a fan, I think it's insane how much of his advice is based on theory and not cold, hard scientific data. What's even more insane is that Dr. Mike and Danielle are literally picking apart his "advice" second by second, and all he can do is sit there and cite more examples that have almost NO EVIDENCE to back up what he's saying. THANK YOU Doctor mike for doing this interview.

[@thereisnothinghere8829]

He's a good example of ego run amok. I think it therefore it must be so.

[@kristingray7786]

What made you not be a fan? Did you find that his advice didn't work? I've never been a fan of the Gundry guy to begin with. So I was curious about your take. Thanks in advance for your response.

[@DebEDee]

@@kristingray7786 It worked for me and many others. There is a lot of pressure and distracting statistical blah blah here that can cause us to disregard that fact, and it can be so hard to eat right depending on ones circumstances. I didn' get from the guy who read The Plant Paradox that it didn't work for him. I got that he simply didn't try it.

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

I agree, it's important to have discernment and not just parrott the claims of others just because they are a "doctor" (appeal to authority fallacy) . Once you investigate many of Grundy's claims you realise it's not based in the science. It's weak correlation from flawed analysis coupled with ancedotes and jump to conclusion fallacy.

[@f.f6319]

He could be totally wrong, but all new scientific progress starts like so. Ofc there is no evidence, no one is testing for it... and its totally anti pharma and food industry, known actors in lobby, youd need to be a child not to believe this actors are anti health in general, their business, one of the biggest in the world is literally selling cures. IM NOT saying he is right though..

[@kevinhines3487]

Finally at 37:53 we hear a distinction between the types of fat and not referring to "fat" as unified group.

[@Sadguna-c6e]

As a primary care physician, i loved this format!! Absolute gold on scientific debate

[@CowToes]

It's not a debate. You have a gaslighting conman grifter talking to a doctor. dOcToR gRuMBy, what a joke.

[@nathanielthomas4437]

Dr. Mike, this is absolutely exquisite content. Although the long form may not be as click-baity as some other, shorter videos, this is exactly how to settle disputes with others regarding competing scientific evidence and theories. I can tell that Dr. Gundry truly believes his position and wants to help his patients as well as those who listen to him, but it's discussions like these that are effective in highlighting the flaws in one's arguments. Having an open discussion, void of any open disdain or blatently hostile argument is refreshing and honestly much more entertaining. I hope this discussion has had something of an impact on him, and that it wasn't just perceived as a character assassination, as it certainly wasn't. The exposure of mechanistic bias is ever so important yet underappreciated in the public, but this is exactly the content that brings it to light. Please do not be disillusioned by the view counts. This is the content that really makes a difference and stays in people's minds. I would love to see more. I'm sure many others would agree.

[@Notme-tq4xs]

Really ? Better listen to Gundry.

[@nathanielthomas4437]

@@Notme-tq4xs It is important to listen to viewpoints that you strongly disagree with, so that you can understand and then counter them. Dr. Gundry's ideas should be considered and analyzed critically, as with any viewpoint. In this case, it was discovered, through critical analysis, that his viewpoints were flawed in that they relied on mechanistic bias, as well as faulty isolation of variables assumed to contribute to causality in correlations with no real evidence to support it, with regards to his conclusions about the results of various statistics in "blue zones", as well as medical studies on diet.

[@wolfiesjustfine6499]

Absolutely agreed, amazing content that you don't see anywhere else.

[@ChocLitBar]

When they say 9/10 doctors agree he’s that one that doesn’t agree 😂

[@Wooxy117]

Super underrated comment lol

[@ChocLitBar]

@@Wooxy117 😂😂😂😂

[@yvesjeaurond4937]

"Most sientists are bottle washers and button sorters." (R. A Heinlein through his fictitious character Lazarus Long). Gundry is a paradigm shifter on the avant-guard of nutrition research, with the backing of clinical success with thousands of patients. I doubt Mike can brag as much. Although he does brag about having millions of non-clinical laypersons following his communications expertise. Like a sophist (Mike) facing a Socrates (Gundry)

[@hazesummer8328]

​@@yvesjeaurond4937 you're on the side of the "underdog" regardless of his argument or actual work... He'll be another voice forgotten about another dietary fad... He's a surgeon, not a physician and neither a dietician... He doesn't know anything more than either does...

[@marvinwilliams7938]

Dr Gundry is very good at theory, the chick is basically just reiterating convention. But convention is poorly wrong these days, so why do people agree with the chick? Gundry sees the flaws in current convention, and using good logic and theory and an open mind finds a better solution to an existing problem. Listen to the speakers against Gundry. Gundry’s logic is not wrong, they can’t attack it, they only attack it because his methods go against conventional studies.

[@Nosikas]

By the way, if anyone was wondering, nicotinic acid, aka vitamin B3, is not in cigarettes.

[@matth227]

And even if it was it would be the worst method of delivery. Just take a supplement

[@lisabroadway3633]

I cannot express how much i appreciate watching this video. It restored my belief that so much of what we see and expose ourselves to is NOT proven and tested but is a trap to line pockets. I love your channel and appreciate your work.

[@gordonelliott7870]

I am not a "patient" but follow his methods avidly because in my case they work, and predictions in his books so reliably apply to me that there must be significant accuracy in his work. Since I respond just as he says so many of his patients respond, I have confidence he is accurately describing his experience with his very large patient practice. As I pointed out in other posts, I can't wait for scientists/doctors to get around to publishing in great detail, when the methods make such a very significant difference in my life. Once again as stated above, personal testimonials is lowest form of evidence, so this needs to be checked with other evidence. But there is significant evidence of other patients like me who are being helped.

[@susanjones7734]

Why does one smoker get lung cancer and another one doesn’t? There must be something that makes the difference.

[@stellamariss3335]

@@susanjones7734genetics, amount of smoking.

[@rollinupeverest5042]

That's what Dr Mike and most medical establishments do is take advantage of you to keep you on pills and supplements so that you can continue coming back to them for money. If you follow with a guy he interviews says you won't have to continue coming back to them for any supplements or medications

[@edhusz7555]

@@susanjones7734 You could also ask, what the similarities are: they both have (or had) negative effects on their physiological health that are stemming from smoking tabacco.

[@lojaned]

Dr. Mike, your patience with this man has no bounds. 12:07 Your ability to get this man to actually answer your questions after him faffing around trying not to answer the question is impressive. The switch between the blue zone evidence he was trying to use as his supportive evidence and then his statement that he doesn’t believe they are reliable was so frustrating. Any… ANY… person who has had even basic science courses knows what a good study is comprised of and what components it needs to have to be considered reliable. What variables are you testing and what is the control, better to have a large number of test subjects, and a long study time.

[@zerowilde]

You'd be suprised. Al of companies lean to corporate greed and direct 'research papers' in a biased way. We see this more and more now and it was exposed during Covid when random compamies through random anti-biotics as anti-viral treatments when they were not even replicated or controlled.

[@hladinibhosale]

I agree. And tbh, I could literally feel myself get significantly more and more annoyed by every statement Dr Gundry made. I felt at a certain point towards the end, even he was realising that his statements could get him intro trouble so he started leaning toward what Dr. Mike was saying and agreeing with him. I dont mean to come off as rude or anything, Dr Gundry is a senior doctor, and he has experience and all that but i dont agree with majority of his claims and i dont like how, for the longest time, he was justifying his statement with some sort of weird logic. This is just my opinion though. I dont mean to offend anyone here

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

@@hladinibhosale No need to feel guilty. The expertise Dr. Gundry has does not exempt him and his pseudoscientific ideas from any criticism, regardless of whether the criticism comes from someone with expertise or not. At the end of the day, what matters are the facts.

[@michaelgrey1503]

​@hladinibhosale honestly, the best part of this discussion was Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo discussing the issue and explaining why it's bunk.

[@billbill6094]

When he was misrepresenting the results of the Lyon Heart Study, making silly noises over Dr. Belardo explaining what he's not properly presenting from that study, dodged the question 4-5 times in a row about why should an untrained person believe his anecdotal medical claims over another quack's anecdotal medical claims (as opposed to long-tested science) as if Dr. Mike was speaking gibberish, then started contradicting himself on the idea that measuring levels is more important than symptoms, I really felt Dr. Mike's boxing instincts kick in. How do you deal with this amount of gish gallop and talking in circles?

[@EllieManda]

It’s so nice to see this! Usually this stuff lives in different worlds and bubbles, we need more conversations like these! Also, please someone give an award to these two for patience!

[@Jake-f4h7r]

Moving towards more conversations like this being available has to be part of the recovery and reconstitution of the public trust in institutions. A big think you for organizing and to all the participants.