*THE* ROCK & METAL GENRE TIER LIST

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@purplepudding9144]

You should check out What a Disaster the cuz the whole thumbnail reminds me of their sound

[@diohandingdal9865]

You forgot groove metal 😢

[@permafrostprod1]

Finn, i'm not gonna say that you forgot this or this subgenre but I will say that you left out alot and in a weird fashion. It seems like you created subgenre with discussable choices to fits in and left out real sub-divisions by amalgamating bands that doesn't belong together. Not complaining just saying that i'm puzzled with your fragmentation off subgenres 🤣. I would probably really enjoy talking music for an entire evening with you and see how different we see a scene as two different person of the same era but from different country... anyway cheers to you man 😎

[@Shredxcam22]

Do a video on how john petrucci influenced so many modern guitars players with either style or his guitar the music man. Or how Mike portnoy really influenced a lot of modern metal core guys. Or dream theater as a whole.

[@legaciestr]

The Punk Rock MBA I fucking love your overly specific examples that go deep for no reason shits hilarious keep it up

[@botany1629]

Puts Midwest emo on d tier *Sad 9/7 time signature noises*

[@2lostbikes]

**Fretboard tapping intensifies**

[@botany1629]

*taps fret board with malicious intent*

[@SeymoreSparda]

Prog metal/Tech death/Djent/Mathcore/Jazz metal: *Puts hand on shoulder, with teary eyes aimed at the floor* "That's rough, buddy."

[@TiaNEVERTamera]

I LOVE MIDWESTERN EMO 😭

[@Redtee1986]

I love midwest emo 🙌🏻

[@matthewlatham8522]

The whole Power Metal/awkward Belarusian gym conversation was put in way too much detail for it to be "just a metaphor"

[@GonzoCiosain]

You don't want to miss a second of this power metal show! That band hangs dong!

[@charnelveil669]

Matthew Latham Bro, I was crying laughing 😂 when Finn went into FULL detail about it! I kinda lil’ horny, Man, Shit!!!! 🤯🤤 🤣🤣🤣

[@colacp]

Finn dislikes Power Metal because it makes him self-conscience about his lifts and life choices.

[@nodnarb0185]

@@colacp he takes Power Metal too seriously

[@sunsetgr00ve78]

Lol, I’m from Eastern Europe (Russia) and power metal is absolutely not popular here. Russia is more thrash/nu metal and hardcore.

[@themortarman4722]

“I’m putting ska in the D tier” *Angry horn noises*

[@laurisaarinen1126]

I love ska. I do understand it can sound annoying to some. Most of the stuff i like are high tho: grunge, skate punk, thrash metal, nu metal

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

I have to say, I've been surprised recently to learn how brutal ska fans are. They are up there with black metal fans in terms of defensiveness (but at least they aren't also racist lol)

[@laurisaarinen1126]

@@ThePunkRockMBA Really? That is very surprising. Well at least i am very easy-going fella 😊

[@2doobsmcjubes555]

@@ThePunkRockMBA In Cleveland at a Bouncing Souls show ska fans from the crowd essentially mugged The Flatliners into playing one of their old ska songs, which is a thing they've tried to do at every Flats show for the past 10 years XD. Now I know why they call them RUDE boys.

[@Greg-in-Orange]

“If I’m being honest, Easy Core belongs in the E tier” *angry friend noises*

[@VengeAgainProduction]

"I've never met anyone who listens to Godsmack." Well maybe if you answered my calls

[@numetalguitarist2377]

Bruh this guy put emo rap above "butt rock"

[@berbafan67]

I stand alone

[@lombrespike09]

@@berbafan67 dude please Awake

[@ultimatetrishbhatia]

Lol the first godsmack song I heard is when legends rise and so far it's the only song I've liked by them.

[@NexusKin]

Godsmack was pretty big within the period from 1998's "Godsmack" up to 2010's "The Oracle." They had a pretty noticeable drop off in popularity during the 2010s decade, but managed to rack up some decent viewing and streaming numbers with their 2018 album "When Legends Rise."

[@MrCk1234567890]

I don’t rly listen to thrash, but I think we can all agree that none of these metal/core genres would exist without it

[@Broccoli75]

But metalcore is thrash hah

[@MartiniScreamz]

@@Broccoli75 slowed down thrash....not being a metal snob i love both but its kinda true

[@ambatukoom]

@@MartiniScreamz Yeah I feel like metalcore is just a shittier version of groove metal

[@XX-sv3qu]

@@ambatukoom not at all

[@ambatukoom]

@@XX-sv3qu Yes it is, listen to Sepultura and Pantera and tell me there aren't breakdowns like in metalcore. Only difference is metalcore ripped off Meshuggah and started using djenty breakdowns.

[@toribiogubert7729]

Not a big thrash metal fan, but I would argue that Metallica's influence and overall sales alone are enough to put their genre on S tier. And the genre have Slayer and Megadeth who are huge bands.

[@kareja316]

Maybe but their biggest success (Black album) it's not thrash and all their career after that isn't either

[@connerwittig9288]

Luis Berrios their newest album has a lot of thrash songs on it but the era between black album and now has little to none

[@invaderjae]

@@connerwittig9288 That's pretty much them "trying to get back to their roots". And personally I think it sucked. But that's me.

[@mattf2967]

IMO its because they realistically grew into the success they have from not sticking to the Thrash formula. If they had stuck to what they were doing on "Kill'em all" then they would probably be a Slayer or Megadeth level band. Can sellout a stadium or maybe an Arena (that's the bigger one right?) but never grabbing the attention of the mainstream.

[@stevooo1790]

I 100% agree and my favorite genre is hardcore. Thrash is so influential for the hardcore scene. Punk, in general, was influential for all metal, so the real punk should be in S tier with thrash as well

[@Dylangino]

JUST HERE TO YELL IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE YOUR OPINION IS DIFFERENT FROM MINE, THANKS.

[@melodica5407]

I mistakenly thought david draiman writes this comment

[@nisinduperera7130]

@@melodica5407 but, what does Corey Taylor think about this?

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

@@melodica5407 Kanye

[@BigFroppa]

@@nisinduperera7130”how does this affect lebron’s career” ahh comment

[@secondsolstice8695]

Sponsors tier-list coming next please, all the way from Gfuel to Raid Shadow Legends

[@CH-ml4rz]

_Can we get some F’s in the tier_

[@markwrenn5965]

Ahahaha

[@thebizzle413]

RAID SHADOW LEGENDS WITH EMO ELVES GETTING BAGGGGG. S+++ tier.

[@midnighttrain7844]

square space and skillshare

[@danielnelson4881]

Raid shadow legends! Made by a developing company run by a chairman for the world's largest gambling lobbying group, owned by an Australian gambling company that primarily makes, you guessed it, SLOT MACHINES! Upon acquisition of the game development company the CEO gave some speech about expanding to other areas related to their business and implementing their knowledge to grow these other closely related areas or some shit basically equating to "use our knowledge of how to make slot machines that people pour money into and generate ludicrous profits.. Implement that knowledge into the mobile gaming platform which is obviously closely related to the gambling business.. Prey on little kids that we cannot reach in our target market with our slot machines.. Take their and their parents money and create Lifelong gambling addictions hopefully encouraging them to play our slots later down the line!" They tell every sponsored KZbinr EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY! How many cookie cutter raid shadow legends ads have you seen every KZbinr from a car channel, cooking channel, punk rock channel.. It doesn't matter. There's tens of thousands of these BS ads out there. THE GAME IS AWFUL! It's literally the epitomy of the absolute worst of mobile gaming.. Progress is directly linked to your credit card... You can literally put it on auto so you don't have to play the awful game until the next time you need to type your credit card number in to progress again.. At which point you think you've gotten some joy out of the game but you haven't.. You admire your shiny new character and then auto through more of the boring egregious campaign until the next time you have to stop to spend some money! It's literally the scummiest thing ever. Raid shadow legends is going in the Z tier! I hope they get what's coming to them.

[@americanidiot713]

u didn’t have to go off and roast every single genre i’ve ever loved but u did. keep up the good work

[@funkygothhat]

me: oh cool he's gonna rank midwest emo, i love that shit finn: i'm going to put midwest emo in the d teir me: honestly fair dude, most things from the midwest are d tier in my experience

[@carljoggerst9443]

From Midwest. Can confirm.

[@Redtee1986]

Currently in Iowa.... yep

[@chlorox01]

As a Hoosier... yeah that's accurate.

[@tpags7398]

Basically in Ohio half the time, Buffalo NY the other half (basically just a rust belt city) I can confirm

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

Except that corn though, that's some S tier shit

[@TRiToX91]

As someone who spent my early teens listening to almost purely power metal... I have never heard a better description of the genre.

[@kidcarlomagno7094]

so accurate

[@rpete598]

I love power metal. No other sub genre has a such a disproportionate skill to popularity ratio IMO.

[@poopoogigolo]

I think he nailed it too. But I would even go as far as to say the foreign guy is also a huge D&D nerd on the side... since there's a huge amount of fantasy themes to the power metal genre

[@allyabrams1193]

@@poopoogigolo yeah, I was about to say I love power metal! But I’m literally about to play D&D in like an hour 😂 so yeah, your point is proven lmao

[@NateLouisDrums]

“I hate mumble rap.” [puts on a Pearl Jam song]

[@edoardopulcini9432]

"Sad Yellow Ledbetter sounds"

[@metalxner5411]

So true. Haha I love this comment.

[@mattcontrino8513]

“frrrrzn rnegsadondemetal mergeaconcrete yuh yuh”

[@startervisions]

L o l

[@v00doozz82]

Wiiithhimontoop…lemonyellowsuuuun

[@markchristiansen5683]

Ad before video: "How do you fit an MBA into your busy life?" Me: "I watch this channel."

[@andrewgiovannini3382]

Lmao this

[@trix10101]

You win the internet for a month. Grats!

[@rewcur]

Nice dude

[@nathenwallis5664]

Literally every ad break has had a college degree ad in it

[@rpete598]

I would have included Doom/Stoner or Groove metal categories.

[@dreamypunx]

same, i'd also add on powerviolence and thrashcore. even though it breaks the rules still.

[@robwalsh9843]

A lot of stoner and doom bands are tied to the hardcore punk scenes. Most of the NOLA sludge bands started as hardcore acts.

[@heavyfuzz9675]

Easily S tier just on the power of amps alone.

[@magnusfox777]

Those and indie Rock/ garage rock

[@snakebite6x6x6]

+1 for Groove metal..... Pantera was an amazing band...

[@matacorpse5762]

Nu metal appears to be... by complete accident... my fave genre. 50% of the genre is absolutely brilliant and still innovative. Simple riffs with super catchy riffs now with added breakdowns. but the other half is bland, stale and only used as a joke when someone in a KZbin video gets angry in a comedic way.

[@BeetleAtol]

Agreed

[@AshenOne_CR]

Who would you consider stale? I love bands like Taproot, 40 Below Summer, Spineshank, Dry Kill Logic, and Earshot for the exact reasons you laid out, but many people claim bands like them "saturated" nu metal

[@jonahwhitney5455]

So many sub genres. I’m glad you’re here to sort it out. Now do a bands tier list for each of these genres listed here haha.

[@rskityaev]

That thumbnail is a masterpiece

[@GarrettsGear]

Clicked INSTANTLY 😂 it worked like a charm. Then he hits us with another raid ad 😭

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

😱😱😱

[@CH-ml4rz]

Oh dang lol, thanks for reminding me to make another Sarge sticker for Whatsapp

[@ondrej8599]

Reminds me of Morgz xd

[@VIXXIIMCMLXXXVII]

Fucking right!

[@thirtyonefifty3133]

Do a "Everything That Triggers An Elitist"

[@sharkuel]

So, his whole channel? Lol

[@sloshed-rat]

Lol having an opinion.

[@disasterpiece6480]

everything

[@Fel1xF7W]

metal isn't the best music genre

[@lordgasman9099]

I think he just did

[@atlasfontaine]

Respect to your list, especially with your placement of Nu-Metal and Grunge. Surprised to see no Industrial-Metal, Glam-Metal, and Post-Hardcore.

[@allyabrams1193]

Yeah, I was waiting for these, especially post-hardcore… also, no doom metal ranking was interesting to me too

[@RandomAussieGuy87]

" I do like Linkin Park though" *plays One Step Closer* I like you even more now, Finn.

[@yew8707]

The absolute best on Hybrid Theory

[@AlqhemyA]

@@yew8707 ik its basic but my personal favorite is In the End. Those guitars, man.

[@AlqhemyA]

Although my fav LP song in general is probably either Faint or Breaking the Habit

[@bryceballinger9543]

As a fan of all things Power Metal, no matter how corny the bands get, your description of it is SPOT ON. +5 to your Speech skill tree

[@davisspeedshop2031]

The only thing missing is hair metal! All the single mom's are going to be hounding you for that one. 😫😂

[@Shotgun979]

And my Dad LOL

[@johnindigo5477]

Alcoholic single dads who blast hair/thrash metal and classic rock. My uncle introduced me to sabbath and megadeath

[@TheSuburban15]

That's not fair. Some of them are on their third marriage now.

[@laughs2651]

It woulda been on the S Tier: Guns n Roses,Motley Crue,Poison,Ratt,Deff Leppard,Whitesnake,Dokken etc

[@DjVolumeUp200]

@@laughs2651 As it should be. It's the best music genre and only goregrind comes close.

[@kornholio543]

No Slam on the list because no tier above “S”

[@gh1311]

S is for slam

[@TrueMithrandir]

Slam is greatest-tier genre....!

[@Eichro]

SSlam

[@LONGLIVEFATHERGREY]

🙏🏽

[@spicebag30]

Fuck yes, slam rules

[@Arevya]

Everyone: angry that their genre didn't make it to the top... *rage* Me: The word "Djent" is not on line with the other ones *rage*

[@A_V__]

“Five dollars at the door or free admission if you buy a quesadilla” *Quesadilla is six dollars*

[@mortalmannequin4091]

That’s basically a $1 quesadilla and a show. Sounds like a good deal to me

[@greatwavefan397]

C for Quesadilla!

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Hey man, that Power Metal description was so oddly specific, but I know a dude that's exactly like that in my gym.

[@whosaidthat84]

I can't believe nobody has told you "you're everywhere" yet.

[@TheWizardofSpeedandTime]

@@whosaidthat84 Oh no. They have.

[@sonictemple2925]

The only one that got me was the melo death ranking. Not just because I dig it, but because of how many metalcore bands have been influenced by it. Still to this day bands are trying to sound like At The Gates, In Flames or Soilwork.

[@BrianRox]

ARCH ENEMY!!!

[@emanuelstude4912]

Yeah and i am from sweden so i wanted it to rank high. He should have included melo black metal like dissection.

[@Vinnay94]

I love both Metalcore and Melodeath, but Finn is an idiot

[@Vinnay94]

Early Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for my Valentine, early Bring me the Horizon, Killswitch Engage, As I lay dying, All that remains are literally At the Gates Core. I love all of them but you can't deny the Melodeath influence especially At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul. Even the Crabcore bands (who I also love) such as Attack Attack!, Asking Alexandria still had some At the Gates riffage.

[@NexusKin]

Yeah, I love bands like In Flames, Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom, Darkest Hour, and Parkway Drive.

[@Jmack7861]

I feel like Midwest emo is underrated and belongs more In C tier to maybe even B tier

[@VCCassidy]

I agree, if not only for the fact that without it, you don’t get mall-emo, sad-boy pop punk, or emo-rap (which already died like 2 years ago).

[@Phonesex900]

The influence is super underrated

[@Phonesex900]

@@VCCassidy Emo rap is still huge

[@cprang]

100%

[@scummydummy]

Mineral!

[@joshuakram]

On the basis of Periphery alone, I would slot "Djent" (or progressive metal if you're splitting hairs) in C. If feel like the influence factor is a little overlooked as they haven't really influenced culture outside of music, but they have had a massive impact on music itself (production, asthetic, etc.)

[@zkateyguy]

So true. Pretty much all of Metalcore is Djent infused by now. So the influence factor is pretty large. Also there's this splitting of Djent into different styles. Just look at the difference between Meshuggah, Vildhjarta, Modern Day Babylon, (early and current) Intervals or heck even Polyphia. Djent can be implemented in many different styles.

[@jamesw5713]

Meshuggah crush, the rest of it is lame.

[@kw9801]

He put nu metal on the S tier! 😱😱😱 I must have woken up in a parallel universe. The hate we got back in the day!

[@cosmiccryptid263]

Nu Metal was a mainstream success because there was a lot of big stars and huge hits on the genre!

[@greatwavefan397]

X-Tier is the Doom: Eternal OST.

[@adamfinell8262]

Finn: next upp djent *doesn't even play a clip of a real djent song but just a meme from Jared Dines* Me: *cries in drop xyz*

[@asciicatface]

it was definitely upsetting not gonna lie. yeah I get that it's been meme'd to death but at least play some AAL or something jeez

[@RobImagines]

Well that is when djent peaked

[@Jaydos1470]

ironically this was the only one I disagreed on, I think djent was more influential then he thinks. 90% of heavy bands nowadays were inspired by AAL, periphery, ATB etc. I reckon B category would have been more fitting

[@rayisawesoem]

I believe that was his intended point.

[@joristimmermans5058]

@@Jaydos1470 I LOVE djent, have since Acle was posting 1 minute pre-TesseracT clips on the Harmony Central and Andy Sneap forums. But IMO it's over and done except for the nostalgia, just like thrash. All the stuff that can definitely be classified as "Djent" is more of a Meshuggah tribute than its own thing. Nothing new has evolved from it that is still recognisably "djent". The bands that started there are either still exactly as they were (hello Meshuggah, I still love you) or have morphed into very different sounding bands (hello Contortionist and Vola, I love you more than ever).

[@wwesuperhardyDX]

I'm glad he didn't include prog metal so I didn't have to see him place that super low on the list

[@ProgJester]

ahah same Athough I love me some prog, but prog-metal would've probably been C or even D in my list - it's not super-influental, it never sold well and I'm not a fan of metal side of it/metal in general

[@Joshua-ww1fz]

My gentle heart couldn’t bear it

[@nisinduperera7130]

I'm a huge fan of "progressive-ness" in music Opeth is my favorite metal band rn That being said, I think "prog" in general is "music-theory-wankery" for me and most of the bands are not even progressive as Metallica imo

[@tutmosislll9063]

I'm also very glad he didn't rank Folk Punk cause I love it but I guess he would have to invent an even lower rank than the lowest

[@matthewdevon1923]

Prog Metal is for desk bangers and virgins

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Already knew that Nu metal was going to be an S - tier ranking due to how immensely popular and influential that genre was.

[@starrycat6185]

Nu Metal was the groundwork for all modern metal, without it we would have no downtuned guitars.

[@mackenziehunter1755]

Luke Cowley so true. Like Korn is without a doubt one of the main, if not THE influence for extended range guitars in modern metal

[@zombiedanceprod]

Just watched a limp Bizkit live show from a few years ago on KZbin and that shit still gets me going

[@MelomanoAdicto]

Right!

[@stickinsstick8656]

Luke Cowley so Crowbar / Sleep didn’t play downtune ??

[@lydiamacintyre3729]

you forgot symphonic metal, speed metal, goth rock, glam rock, prog, psychedelic rock - i know it's not meant to be a comprehensive list

[@AngelRuiz-xq2ie]

I would actually want a short part 2 with nothing but these six genres

[@rotkvan]

@@AngelRuiz-xq2ie pretty pointless since he would rate them all D or lover

[@rotkvan]

and speed metal is one of the most useless genre terms ever

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

Ughhh prog killed Maiden so it definitely had some influence...

[@metalrockstarizer89]

@@rotkvan he would probably rate hair metal around S A or B.

[@falcontriplets831]

I’ve always considered Disturbed to be nu metal in my eyes. Their first 2 albums were definitely nu metal, and their 3rd album had a little bit of nu metal elements in it, but that’s when they started to change their sound.

[@a-dashof-pepper4710]

Why isn't blackened-death-epic-sanctimony-core in here!? How are me and the other 2 guys in the fan club supposed to get through the day!? That's it! Ima tweet about this!

[@charnelveil669]

A-Dash Of-Pepper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿

[@charnelveil669]

That’s a good one, Broseph!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

[@breadtilian]

Butt rock deserves a higher spot due to commercial success

[@Antonjlavey]

Your right but why do they call it butt metal?

[@Ifheavenwashell]

@@Antonjlavey It's because it's very basic music, not much to it, and also because a lot of the music really isn't very good

[@arpitdas4263]

@@Antonjlavey because it's ass

[@caligirl4424]

Totally agree. I would probably B tier it. Maybe C tier at the lowest.

[@numetalguitarist2377]

@@arpitdas4263 still way better than than p**** emo rap with face tats

[@chuckjamesnorris5928]

Thumbs up for the grunge vocal impression

[@ПетърПетров-д9т]

Would've been a lot harder if he tried to impersonate Cornell.

[@anubisanarchy5710]

Eddie Vedder watch out, Finn is right behind you.

[@rayisawesoem]

Huge power metal fan and thank you for the frozen crown clip, I belly laughed during your description and thought “he’s exactly right” lol

[@shawnjohnstone1477]

Well, time to ride down this rainbow on my dragon mount, wielding excalibur, seeking vengeance for this 'E' ranking for my beloved power metal.

[@Cccharlesarnold]

Do you know what band was shown when he talked about Power Metal?

[@shawnjohnstone1477]

@@Cccharlesarnold Sure do. The band is Frozen Crown. That particular song is called Neverending.

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

I'll just hop in a tank and teach them about some handsome Italians ...if you get this joke...well it says something about you, not sure what though.

[@krystalalien3344]

Nu Metal is in S-Tier list Me as a nu metal fan: KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

C’MON!

[@lukegearheard4190]

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 Yeaaah!

[@brucenatelee]

How many elitists are sticking fingers in their.. _Eeeeeeeeyes?_

[@ashleynoname3580]

I CANNOT say the word "rolling" in my everyday life without that playing in my head. Every. Single. Time.

[@Broccoli75]

Nu metal suckkk

[@VolkmasterBlood]

Me: Sees ska in the D-tier *ANGER* Me: Hears explanation "fair enough"

[@alejandroramirez4470]

I think considering that plenty musicians in ska play really well they should get more credit.

[@johnathanbemister22]

And he didnt even Mention sublime ;(

[@Phonesex900]

The commercially successful ska bands were atrocious but there are probably like maybe 20 great ska bands... I honestly wouldn't stretch much further than that.

[@gregorysteffensen3279]

The only bit I feel was unfair was the "no new stuff" line - there's a lot of good new ska from the last decade! It just kinda gets ignored by most

[@dead_beatbunny]

I unapologetically love mall screamo. Side note: Hesher includes the most underrated performances from both Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Natalie Portman.

[@brycebomb131]

HUGE AGREE

[@Krisbcream1]

Love the idea of this list! I'd probably put Butt Rock a spot higher since it was super mainstream and many of those bands were huge (like it or not).

[@Xxrocknrollgod]

A E DUB

[@KuhKronus]

Yeah I meant the fact that the US govt used it to get people to sign their lives away is worth something right?

[@TheyForgotMySalad]

I'm not a metal fan by any means...in fact, other than ska and TRL core, i probably couldn't recognize one genre from the next...but, wow, your descriptions of the music these genres play drew me in and now im binge watching your videos. Awesome job, man.

[@hippieghostmyke9596]

Feel like Easy Core could’ve been one letter higher based off A Day To Remember alone lol

[@GrayWoIf]

I thought about it but 1 band can't hold the entire genre on it's back and outside of them easy core isn't exactly a headline act

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

Although you're hating on my boy Power Metal, I really appreciate your work, man. You seem super genuine and that's super rare these days. ALSO, I swear to god we lived the exact same life, judging by some of the things you say haha

[@emaheiwa8174]

Hi Finn we are still waiting for the Thrice video. Nobody could make it better than you.. Or a podcast.. give us something lol. Stay safe

[@WolfFeX]

Think you forgot Hair Metal (Posion, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi) , Hard Rock (ACDC, Aerosmith, Van Halen) and Classis Metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest). All of them on the S tier for sure, they still sell out stadiums and arenas worldwide

[@grief_hammer]

When I saw Last Days Of Humanity, the vocalist just kind of sat on the stage looking like he was going to cry, there was bad feedback, and the vocal fx pedal (which was setup centre-stage) kept turning itself off mid-gurgle. 10/10 show overall.

[@ethancalhoun8907]

Bro idk why crabcore made it on b tier, seems like a way more obscure genre than “real punk”

[@bengreenbank]

Yeah that’s dumb. The Clash, The sex pistols, DK etc.. are massively influential and sold millions of records. Most people in the scene don’t even know what crab core is

[@MrJordwalk]

@@bengreenbank Crabcore isn't even an actual genre, but a term that was coined to make fun of that dorky trend in Metalcore.

[@ChrisCoignet]

because it really wasn't that obscure it was actually massive. Like it or not it was hugely popular, even though it may have been a dorky trend yes, and even though it was a relatively short trend too (2009 to at the LATEST 2014), when it was here it was HUGE. By 2011-2012 it seemed like almost the entirety of the Warped Tour was nothing but crabcore bands.

[@Damonf888]

@@ChrisCoignet still nuts to say a meme was more influential than.. actual punk. that's like saying gangnam style was more influential than sergeant peppers

[@khalidstetkevych9838]

@@ChrisCoignet It came and went in a blink of the eye. I made a crabcore joke to my girlfriend (who like hardcore-ish music around that time) and she had never even heard of it.

[@WishAtElevenEleven]

As an occasional attendee of “red state rock festivals” even though I live in California, I can say that there are a LOT of disturbed, godsmack, five finger death punch, and shinedown fans out there (especially shinedown), including me.

[@carljoggerst9443]

It strangely hurts to see Shinedown knocked down a peg but this shit keeps me humble.

[@dannorris642]

No mention of post-punk? Sure, it's old folks music, at this point, but it's super-influencial and still culturally relevant. Remember all those alt-rock, buzz bands from the early 2000s that totally aped Gang of Four and Joy Division? Plus, I hear a lot of Robert Smith in many emo/pop-punk vocalists and even the emo rappers. And I think Hot Topic will always seem to have Smiths, Cure, or JD represented on their t-shirt racks. It's at least a B tier.

[@musicallystoned7489]

Most of the Post-Punk Revivalists came from the 2000s UK Indie scene, mainly raved upon by the NME. The Libertines, Maximo Park, The Vaccines, The Futureheads, The Rakes, The Cribs, etc. A bit of a far cry to the bands featured on this video.

[@RovPrivyTube]

“I’m putting butt rock at D” man that was a shot to the heart. I agree but damn, that still hurt.

[@Sp00pyEevee]

I was upset when Linkin Park popped up, but you really saved yourself there haha

[@mattthebobcat2674]

“Five dollars at the door or free admission if you buy a quesadilla” 😂

[@pong86r]

i would go to that show!

[@Lucols4]

Those were some extremely specific analogies lol

[@zoinks_9154]

The thumbnail gives me life force. Then that intro was the right level of wtf to get me hooked. Reminds me of a jojo intro

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

ZA WARUDO

[@joelsalminen5309]

Being a bit of an old-school punk enjoyer kinda guy myself, I know for sure my list would look very different indeed. Perhaps I should make my own list with my criteria without worrying about staying objective. I truly appreciate your attitude about making this list and encouraging the viewer to disagree.

[@KuzzenFeralFerret]

All these emo-rap ideas you have really hit home as I still dress very much like how you discribe and working on my two content and even have a emo-rap style track with screams/growls comeing out tomorrow on KZbin...

[@jasonsmith7530]

I’m usually stingy with likes and comments but you’ve earned both by including footage from The Unseen in your video. My favorite band from when I was in middle school.

[@nathanglennie]

Feel like you missed post hardcore but other than that it’s a pretty accurate list

[@ChrisCoignet]

"Mall Screamo" isn't an actual genre, so post-hardcore is rolled into what he was referring to as mall screamo along with all the other music from this same era (2001-2008) that was more pop-punk and/or alt-rock adjacent

[@Vinnay94]

@DansWarped This is the waaaa-aaa!

[@dexterhatchet3529]

upcoming video: "How Nirvana changed Rock over night" thx!

[@RobertIsMusic]

That's a really good title for a KZbin video.

[@nisinduperera7130]

Cliché, but it works

[@chip9649]

I don't think they did

[@johnindigo5477]

But everyone knows that story

[@DLR182]

We NEED this.

[@preciousakpata5260]

I'm definitely in that group of people that weirdly missed notifications for the last few weeks. Sucks big time, but I'm glad I searched for your channel and came across all you new (relatively) videos that I missed. Epic chart btw.

[@filthycasualgaming4540]

Real punk isn't really about selling musicit's about getting a message out there that actually matters in our society today they did a lot of work which I thank them for 👍

[@SerErryk]

Almost all "real punk" have a very sophomoric approach to political theory. If the subreddit "I'm 13 and this is deep" was a rock genre, it would be political punk. It was contrarian simply to be contrarian and had no real answers to life's quagmires.

[@Cednation]

I love how at 13:42 its a scene from Ace ventura

[@Glaamdring]

The "example" track that was playing during the deathcore segment (at 15:41) is "Unanswered" by Suicide Silence. _Also,_ that style of singing (described at 16:51) commonly found in grunge, post-grunge, butt rock, etc.-popularized by singers like Eddie Vedder, Gavin Rossdale, and so forth is actually called *"yarling".*

[@wardaddy6108]

Came to the comments just for that song, bless you

[@Perceptified]

Any time I hear "yarling" only thing I can think of is this... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Had6h5gZhmf5o

[@allyabrams1193]

@@Perceptified thank you for this 😁😂

[@Perceptified]

@@allyabrams1193 one has to be aware that terms change definitions over time, after all ;)

[@allyabrams1193]

@@Perceptified hahaha yes, I learned something very important today! :)

[@lordtrigon1733]

As one of the many complainers on your Black Metal video I’m amazed you even put it that high. Now as for my complaint regarding this one, no traditional Heavy Metal, Doom Metal, Goth Rock, Industrial, Folk Metal, Prog but all these Core and Punk styles that sound the same to me. Bah!

[@Will-qe8uq]

Finn, I really wanna see some kind of analysis on why bands of mystery make such waves in the scene. Slipknot, GWAR, Ghost, Mushroomhead, Sleep Token....all these bands have severely dedicated followers yet some dont even know who the members are. Is the magic in the mask? Or is it just the simple mystery of these artists that carries the full interest. I love your analysis videos man, they are absolutely stellar. Stay metal.

[@TeeheeFr0g2]

"Probably gonna hurt some butts here" Guess you could call me... Butt hurt. Nah but pretty fair I'm into that midwest emo stuff but anytime I show a friend they look at me like I killed a dog.

[@scottb.0185]

You probably have, if you play it loud enough they’ll be diving under buses!👊

[@Fel1xF7W]

well, american football does come off as pretty satanic "that's life...so social"

[@blasstois]

As a Cleveland native, I love that Great Northern mall and Westgate mall have been referenced in your videos haha!

[@pir8prod]

I assumed the trendy X logos were inspired by outdoors/survival. Finn done learned me.

[@mfrji2035]

Melodic death metal is pretty much just power metal but heavy and I love it.

[@SlyHikari03]

True. It’s like 80’s Heavy Metal but more badass.

[@pyromaniarules]

it never fails to amaze me when i watch one of these videos from finn and his tastes are like the opposite of mine nearly 80% of the time. i personally only like one genre from the s and a tiers and im kinda glad he left out prog metal which i adore because knowing him it would be near the bottom even though it would do well on nearly all criteria which is the same for several genres he made too low on the list.

[@TheRealBrotherGrimmy]

The second I heard melodeath put in C my heart died. In flames was my first experience (the first song I heard changed my music taste for the better. Only for the weak) into melodic death metal. I'm so glad I got to see them just before everything went into lock down. Red (who in flames was touring with) had been a favorite for a while (not death metal I know), but their recent stuff, excluding of beauty and rage, which is tied for best album with innocence and instinct SPECIFICALLY deluxe edition. Seeing them both fulfilled another section of music. Breaking Benjamin 4x 3 days grace 1x Red 1x Chevelle 1x Nothing more 1x 5fdp .25x (I only went to see breaking Benjamin and bad wolves) Bad wolves 1x TSO 2x Bowling for soup 1x Red jumpsuit apparatus 1x Falling in reverse 2x (though the concerts haven't happened yet) All I need to add now to die happy, is architects, slipknot, Billie eilish, a7x, and powerwolf

[@AshenOne_CR]

Melodeath and those bands you listed are absolutely fire and I don't get why anyone would hate them. Especially Red and Chevelle, quality stuff

[@iansharp1543]

I love power metal, but you nailed it with the gym reference.

[@makoseda]

I love ska. And I laughed out loud as soon as he said Macaulay Culkin

[@neverhuman3975]

Thank you for using a scene from Hesher to depict the thrash metal scene. That is one of my favorite movies and that is a perfect visual for the genre.

[@ivanuchashiysa]

That casual background and look of your is so much better imho

[@AGrandGooner]

I have no issue with the low Midwest Emo tier ranking, because it's just another thing I can be melancholily sad about.

[@jc-wx5oo]

“That was in 2010...it’s been ten years...” Me: holy shit where’d that decade go?? Honestly though, I’d love to see a profile on the Offspring and their influence being both punk but reliably radio played for decades. I need your take Finn! Or that Linkin Park video. 😂

[@SkaTuneNetwork]

Obligated to say I both agree and disagree with the ranking of ska If you’re talking only third wave, then yeah that’s fair. But counterpoint: take a look at how many Spotify listeners these ska bands have. I know it’s not the only way of measuring a band/musics reach but I think it says something when a band like reel big fish is near a million people who consistently listen to them monthly, meanwhile a legendary emo band like American football only has 300k. Also keep in mind that most people who listen to ska bands like reel big fish are older and don’t use streaming to begin with so those numbers are probably higher I would also say it’s more influential than people think. Most punks at some point had listened to ska and started playing music/going to shows because of ska. They just don’t wanna admit it because they can’t form their own opinion and think it’s cool to hate shit just to hate shit And lastly, the genre has done so much new stuff since the 90s and different bands have had huge success, especially internationally speaking. It’s just a genre that suffers from really loud fans who only push the same 5 bands from the 90s, so people think the genre hasn’t done much since then Edit: just wanna add that I saw your comment on how you’re learning how defensive ska fans are. I can’t speak for all ska fans, but ska fans like me get bummed out by perceptions of ska because the genre has output so much since 2002, and has a long history before it blew up in the 90s that often gets overlooked, and it sucks that what people think of ska is such a small percentage of all the genre actually is.

[@sloppynyuszi]

As someone who isn’t really a ska fan. In the sense I really (really) like the 90s stuff. The older stuff is a bit mellow, and RBF is my fave band, but I have to concede it’s just rock/punk with trumpets. My ska range is really just regional. I enjoy Spanish, Japanese ska a lot, the Aussie scene though small is really good. The Porkers are fantastic! But I have to confess they all have that 90s third wave Orange County vibe. My point is, I’m what’s wrong with Ska fans 😁

[@MilitantMe]

Dude, love that you made this one interactive with the toer template. Genius.

[@darcybergen7508]

You're description of power metal reaffirms my enjoyment of it. Muscular east European dude approaching me in the locker room? Sounds great!

[@naomiriendeau9802]

I can't get over how great the face is in the thumbnail... 😂😂😂

[@caylahmeek8724]

Never met an actual Godsmack fan? Let me introduce you to my parents. 😂 They live for Butt Rock.

[@nisinduperera7130]

I'm sure they don't take music very seriously like you do

[@KfuknBenz]

Same bro same 😂

[@Antonjlavey]

I like some of it, I'm more heavy metal and black metal

[@LSDanois]

I would honestly switch black metal and death metal- It's true the imagery of black metal is "in" in the fashion scene, but the music as well has started to gain attraction from non metal fans. Rap and pop have gone darker and the whole fashion angst is very in, just not in the corny nu metal way, but teens going "im dark and edgy" I've honestly met ALOT of kids into expensive designer cloth talking about Darkthrone, Burzum and other second wave black metal bands. A lot of soundcloud rappers as well as easy to listen to black metal like Deafheaven (yes I called them blackmetal) might have a lot to do with it, but fashion is much darker at this point and happy go lucky attitude is not what kids want. For extra points, I love the fact that the Trve dickheads precious genre might go mainstream

[@adeptdamage3669]

Honestly something like Black Metal is something rock needs right now.

[@anyal1987]

Never thought I’d live during a time where dungeon synth is... known? Lol I love it and I love your channel. Kill me with the melodeath placement. Saved it with the grunge placement. Please do a riot grrrl history!!

[@countdracula2360]

Ukrainian gym goer here, laughing out loud at the power metal description. You really hit the nail on the head, Finn

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

😎

[@SHOUTxHIxHEYxHELLO]

S-Tier was painful to look at by the end

[@brucenatelee]

Aka the most commercial genres. That's what the video is, not best or worst.

[@ATIRZI]

that's not even 5% out of all the metal and punk genres.

[@theguy4361]

Can you quote were he pretended listing every rock and metal genre ? He is just doing a tier list for the one he talk the most about on his channel

[@markjames8664]

There's also bands that are hard to pin down to a subgenre, but of course there's no way to rank that.

[@shortty7618]

“And that’s why I’m putting Easycore in the F tier!” *Easycore fans*: “Hey dudes are you ready to..? flame The Punk Rock MBA!?” 🔥🤣

[@greatwavefan397]

I'd put Blink 182 on the D-Tier.

[@Brettington]

Hey Finn, love the vids! I just wanted to make a comment about the Ska classification. Ska is an umbrella term of multiple eras and your focus was solely on what is known as Third Wave Ska. It really doesn’t take into account the historical significance of ska in Jamaica or the massive social significance of the Two Tone era of ska in the U.K. I love all eras so I’m inherently biased but I think when ska is judged in whole, it would be held in higher esteem. There’s actually a great documentary out called Pick It Up: Ska in the 90s that examines the entire history as well as the future. I highly recommend it to anyone with even a casual interest in the genre.

[@665Splatter]

Holy shit. That is an almost perfect chart of influence and success. Tried to figure something like this out for years and got stuck on any single band that made an impact either on tthe scene or myself or a specific genre. Well, quantification is much simpler as it seams.

[@RivLoveshine]

One thing people don't seem to realize is that the whole grunge look (old flannels from a thrift store and old worn jeans), is it was never originally meant to be a style. The people in the grunge band probably didn't have a ton of money so they needed to get cheap clothes. There's a lot of logging up in the Pacific Northwest, and a need for a light layer over your shirt, so they wore flannels. Lots of people own jeans, so it's no shocker that they did. Since jeans can be expensive, why through them out when they start to get worn. Wear them until they're unwearable. The people in the grunge bands were not trying to create a new style, the media just interpreted it that way.

[@RivLoveshine]

@@Chris24Adam Maybe while they were performing they got warm and sweaty, but when they leave they get cold again. Plus, when they're just going about living their life it's cold.

[@midnightfm87]

I would say In Flames’s Soundtrack to Your Escape was my first exposure to melodeath back in 2004 and really hooked me from the start. The Quiet Place is an absolute banger and the entire album is solid. This probably helped pave the way for my entry to metalcore back in the late 2000s as before that I was listening to nu and alt metal like LP, LB, Korn, and Slipknot. Ever since, I’ve aways really liked the juxtaposition of melody and heaviness and it’s even allowed me to open up to even heavier stuff like deathmetal, deathcore, grindcore, and even slam.

[@willschafer5274]

As someone who lives near Seattle that Everett reference killed me 😂

[@dead_beatbunny]

Same! My brother's band frequently plays there.

[@danielnelson4881]

I absolutely love his Washington references he throws in haha. I live in Burlington, which I think most people who live in Washington don't know where Burlington is. I'm waiting for my Burlington reference though! Even if it's a wait thats eternal!

[@senorautomaton6072]

@@danielnelson4881 I live in Burlington too. Not much going on here...

[@CptnWolfe]

Thank you for putting Grunge in S Tier, it truly deserves it with bands like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots

[@SirDougelton]

I'm surprised you left out one of my favorite genres, Melodic Hardcore. Bands like Hundredth, Counterparts, Being as an Ocean, Napoleon, Heart In Hand, The Ghost Inside, Stick To Your Guns.... and so on haha. I don't recall you ever mentioning any of the bands really in other videos aside from maybe Hundreth because they genre flipped.