Tucker's Credibility, Snap Judgements, and Viewer Comments-:Solid Ground #85

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[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Great discussion ladies, but as Ms. Leslie mentioned toward the end, went many directions. That is the beauty of a real conversation, as it has no bounds. Nice to stay focused on a particular subject, but when it strays, it remains natural and engaging 🐈

[@JamesfromBahia]

Mondays are always fun on the radical centre. A real tossed salad of a show! See you next week...

[@Rawdiswar]

Watching and listening to you ladies slowly venture out of the media bubble you've been in is both entertaining and encouraging.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

The weekend was wild.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

🏆... grumble... grumble... grumble.... 😾

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@NinjaKittyBonks (accepts trophy and struts to Stayin' Alive.)

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@helenablavatsky9136 ... [Kitty zooms into ultra-stratospheric levels of rage quit the likes of which the world has ever witnessed nor capable of comprehending in 1K lifetimes 😾]

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Mine too! different reasons.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@NinjaKittyBonks 💃

[@dani_no_thank_you]

Good show today ladies. Good mix of lettuce.

[@genxile669]

Robin DiAngelo was paid $15K…minus the 30 bucks she gave Matt’s producer in “reparations.”

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Money very well spent, seeing as Matt and crew did a spectacular job exposing her for ;precisely what she is.

[@Qq-xs1fz]

@@NinjaKittyBonks And has she said to them anything she had not publicly said many times before?

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@Qq-xs1fz ...No. But NOW she is saying it to an audience that largely has zero idea she says any such thing. Her response to sharing those things to an audience that is not captured by phantom guilt of mere existence...? Lock down social media accounts, so that she and the others, do not have to speak with those who are _not_ bound by that guilt.

[@genxile669]

When I saw the movie, some of the audience gasped during certain parts as if they’d never seen, heard, or imagined any of this stuff. None of it surprised me.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

I need to remember y'all do this on garbage morning. ¡Next week!

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

2024-09-16 11:47 still waiting on the recycling to be picked up. 5:22 *allez rejoindre le groupe dont elle parlait dès soon !* (ya queqchose qui se passera _ce Vendredi, avant karaoké_)

[@aaronkindsvatter5615]

Hey so great to see you guys again, I missed the last few! Hope you are all well.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

I been missing things too; see you next week in-between garbage can tasks (for me)?

[@Zzyzzyx]

I saw Am I Racist? this weekend. It was funny!

[@ludwigr.reindl4146]

As in science, history is a process of inquiry and validation, that we use to understand reality both past and present, to help guide our future.

[@kennorthunder2428]

You might want to listen to Triggernomitry's interview with Nial Furgeouson who is intimately acquainted with WW2 Churchill etc and Tucker's judgment. It appears that we here are unaware of essential and historical facts.

[@DannerCando-ev4fo]

I listened to that interview on Tucker too and I felt as you Leslie. I didn’t find the guy inappropriate. I went back and listened to it a second time after the kerfuffle and still don’t get it. My historical knowledge is limited so maybe that’s why I feel that way?

[@Knuck_Knucks]

It's okay to say you're a Liberal who deliberately behaves conservative . A well rounded liberal arts education in insists there are customs courtesies and culture worth preserving. 🐿

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Yes. This is where the leftist, has it all wrong. A society cannot be built upon SOLELY "progression", as progress can only be achieved when it holds on to that which works, to create a stable base upon which to push forward. The "Progressive", used to be a positive thing, as we must continue to move, in order to evolve as a species. What we have now, is a locomotive in high-gear, driving toward some fantasy utopia of "all goodness for all people", while simultaneously destroying the ENTIRE foundation upon that which powers the engine. The brake lever is nearly a decade in the rear view, there is a very sharp bend ahead that leads over a bridge to cross the Grand Canyon. The train must slow-down in order to make that turn, but without brakes nor the endless supply of coal, feeding the fire to drive ahead, we _WILL_ go off the rails on that turn and plummet into the canyon.

[@sarahkelly2350]

I am sorry my previous comment wan't clear that is part of why I didn't make it at the time, more on that soon... and much per this show, but most importantly the patholigization of which you speak, the wedge between parent and child, is right in line with plenty of roughly documented think tank planning to dismantle the family, to alienate...

[@kennorthunder2428]

Technically, the right kind of "hate" is good - if it's based on truth, goodness and beauty. 36:00

[@dani_no_thank_you]

Oh gosh, tossed salad. You guys 😂😂😂

[@theradicalcenter]

🤪

[@Didleeios88]

In regards to Darrell Cooper. It doesnt matter how measured he sounds. Its not about tone but about facts. And his take is ahistorical. It does not line up with known fact. Listen to historians like Andrew Roberts and Niall Ferguson. They are experts in the era he is talking about. They point out glaring errors in his points.

[@Didleeios88]

He is a Nazi sympathizer because he parrots Nazi propaganda from that era.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

*non-exhaustive list of people I currently do not trust:* carlson cooper maddow gross limbaugh (still alive?) colbert stewart noah hijab dawah harris harris tyson cruise miscavage (sp?) fuentes de generes lemon conway kelly pitt schwarzenegger musk de beauvoir (deceased) wyatt sharpton benjamin trump rao jackson pritzker trudeau pence cortez the ramsays king mandela goodspaceguy murphy king jayapal heisei (imperator emeritus japoniae) reiwa (current 天皇); the current pope, the current dalai lama; whoever is the Russian Orthodox muckymuck; putin zelensky whoever's the president of mexico; xi whoever holds high office in Malaysia, Indonesia, Fiji, the Philippines, Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Hungary, Turkmenistan, Croatia, Montenegro, Monaco, Cyprus, Malta, India, Muslim India (Pakistan and Bangladesh and huge swaths of Bharat), Turkey, Finland, Sierra Leone, New Zealand, Spain, Congo (both), the states of Dakota (both), Carolina (both), Rhode Island, Oregon, Washinton; the territories of Puerto Rico, American Samoa, cetera; anyone in important positions of influence in any international organization of any kind; not to forget: several members of my family, several of my neighbors, and several parts of my own mind.

[@Knuck_Knucks]

That's quite the list. 🐿

[@Zzyzzyx]

"Several parts of my own mind" 😂 Very wise!

[@deborahknox2433]

I know what you mean about parts of your own mind. Are there any news people or commentators whom you trust or kinda sorta trust on at least some topics these days?

[@kadams4458]

Trust me, Limbaugh has been dead for a while. (Annnd I've now likely earned myself a place on a list, or three. 😂)

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

​@deborahknox2433 No, I get my news second-hand by hearing people I'm interested in talking about it. (Both ”influencers” like the Elliott-Boyces and real humans I know from my real life.

[@HomeAtLast501]

Jen, I have noticed that Tucker has fallen prey to this new push among male Millennial influencers about defining masculinity for younger men --- trying to convince them they need to be so-called alpha males, traditional males. Andrew Tate pushes that stuff, and I suspect that is probably why Tucker was taken with him.

[@ErrolW-NOLA]

I watched Tucker segments for a while on Fox, before he started down the Alex Jones path (probably for clicks). He started peddling conspiracies, and then UFO's.. That's when I bailed. Then Fox fired him. And it seems he's gone down hill from there. Shame, because he seems like a nice fella. r/EW

[@sarahkelly2350]

I have heard from I can't remember who that right and left, politically, stemmed from describing legislators based upon their position in some european house, I believe it was british or french...

[@Knuck_Knucks]

I'm fond of James Lindsey, but he frequently adopts some bad takes and he's an arrogant SOB sometimes. But, if I were as smart as him, I'd often be arrogant too. I watched that Tucker interview too, although provocative, it wasn't terribly out of line 🐿

[@kennorthunder2428]

I gave it a good listen too. What clenched it for me in a positive way was his sympathy and empathy for the Jonestown massacre and getting into the preacher's head via the recordings. If he's capable of doing that, then it's a pretty sure bet that he had a good take on the Nazis.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

*Lindsay

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@miroirs-jumeaux ... grammer Nazi 😾

[@leslietaylor1396]

Apropos of this conversation, I note that CNN is blaming J. D. Vance and "his rhetoric" for threats received by hospitals and other facilities in Springfield, OH....this relates to discussions of Haitian immigrants and pet predation. Springfield's mayor is saying something along the same lines. It seems that the topic became topical owing to the testimony of numerous Sprinfield residents in the context of a City Council meeting, which was likely attended by said mayor. That meeting was video recorded, do any news outlet interested in getting at the truth of statements made by Trump/Vance can easily access it. On to topic of Darryl Cooper's assessment of Churchill, his thesis is not new. Pat Buchanin published the same findings 20 years ago, and the historian A.P. Taylor did same years before that. Not saying that any of these parties are right, just that there seems to be room for discussion. James Lindsay's assessment of these remarks as being part and parcel of the rise of Right Woke'ism just seemed dumb and ill-informed to me; and maybe self-serving.

[@HomeAtLast501]

Jen, you'd look great in a turtleneck --- olive green, emerald green, forest green, or a warm brown. Try it out this winter.

[@opalescentmica]

I love Jenny's imput, but it's nice today not to have her dominating the conversation as usual!

[@DannerCando-ev4fo]

I didn’t watch the Andrew Tate interview because I had no interest. I’ve watched a lot of Tucker interviews and actually enjoy him (and his goofy laugh) except LATELY as the election draws closer he’s getting a lot more partisan-ly nasty-which I don’t care for.

[@battygirlrachel]

It seems to me that the ppl complaining about the Cooper interview are the woke right and are projecting... woke like controlling and complaining about who is platformed, and that's what they are doing. I think Tucker is just having conversations... he's letting his guest be themselves and is letting the watcher draw their own conclusions. Given the Tate stuff, I think it would be beneficial for ppl to look further into the ppl Tucker has on... but that is true about anyone you see being interviewed.

[@Didleeios88]

Leslie i dont think you could be more wrong about Tucker. Jennifer and Debra are too mild in challenging you. Tucker is an extemist who manages to wriggle out of any stance people try to pin on him. He is a major sleaze. To know a man look at the type of people he continually associates with.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Tucker is a journalist... he is supposed to associate with everyone.

[@Didleeios88]

@@NinjaKittyBonks I know it's hard to remember in 2024, but journalists used to challenge their interviewees, not fawn over them. Tucker platforms tyrants and criminals on his show. They let out streams of lies while he makes lovey eyes and giggles.

[@HomeAtLast501]

I know Tucker's views extremely well --- he has definite views, and I've never seen him to wriggle out of them. What has actually happened is that he used to reflexively believe in our government, he trusted it, and in the past 8 years he has had an awakening. So, for example, he frequently discusses these days how he supported the Iraq War under Bush II, and now he realizes he was completely wrong about that, and he says he's embarrassed that he supported it. Do you have a specific example of a view you think he has wriggled out of?

[@Didleeios88]

@@HomeAtLast501 he does it all he time. "Just asking questions" he suggests all sorts of crackpot dog whistle ideas and then backs out as soon as someone challenges him. Same with the Russian videos, the Tate video and now this Cooper video. He claims these are not his opinion yet he serves up misinformation to his audiences with 0 fact checking.

[@Didleeios88]

@@HomeAtLast501 looks like my comments are all being hidden. You will have to sort by newest if you want to read all the comments