Why The Prosperity Gospel Is Wrong!

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[@FisherCollegeMa]

Give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the bread that is my portion. Proverbs 30:8

[@randyparlor5953]

Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, And wine makes merry; but money answers everything.

[@barbaraleszczynski2214]

Yes....that's what I pray for......not riches...but just enough!

[@alucard2010]

How come no one is quoting the slavery passages?

[@littleredcelt]

Yes! Thank you.

[@huckleberryem9833]

John 6:35 NKJV - And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

[@hunterhamilton353]

Money doesn't change you, it just reveals who you are when you no longer have to be nice..

[@markg999]

Alot of truth in that.

[@Josh-vc8lr]

Nice nonsense

[@wolfsden6479]

That's the truth, very few people are "good people" when they have money because of this.

[@machintelligence]

Money gives you more options -- not all of them good.

[@barbaraleszczynski2214]

Very true!

[@nichole5652]

If you view everything you have as a gift from the Lord and it is your job to steward it, then you will ALWAYS use what you've been blessed with to bless others.

[@szqsk8]

Nichole Pearson It was only after I went to FPU did I discover the concept of what being a good steward means.

[@rzsmith5904]

Amen!

[@ilyagolovey5248]

Have you read "the man in the mirror"? The author talks about this. I agree with your statement.

[@dianapopa3355]

Amen!

[@alucard2010]

If you view everything is from the Lord, you do not have good thinking skills 🙄

[@bradwilliams4921]

In my humble opinion, “stewardship” is the key word.

[@danellebellamy3598]

I agree.

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

The prosperity gospel is a damnable heresy and an abomination to the Lord

[@JewandGreek]

How are you defining Prosperity Gospel?

[@mattmullin33609]

The same as everyone else is.

[@GreaterThanWealth]

The same with your poverty gospel

[@mikescorner940]

If the prosperity gospel is true, then it needs to work everywhere at all times. Having been to the slums of Nairobi and volunteered in Kibera, I can say first hand that there are incredibly faithful God loving people there that live with raw sewage flowing past the sheet metal lean to that they call their home. They are not prosperous at all, but they have incredible faith.

[@JewandGreek]

Many of those people have been taught the poverty gospel for years, so they may have great faith but they have a wrong understanding of what the Bible teaches along these lines. Until they get their thinking corrected their situation isn't going to change.

[@thelasthourgetready]

How come you didn't stay there and live then? Poverty is a curse. Maybe they don't know that they can prosper and have a better life.

[@joshjonson2368]

@@thelasthourgetready where in the bible does it say poverty is a curse and what is this godly power would undo said curse

[@HiHi-dd1xi]

The ones that gain the most are the evangelists and preachers preaching this

[@rayjgold]

Tell us how we can tell how much another person loves God, and know how much faith another has.

[@BernadetteTeachesMusic]

This was such a refreshing question/topic for discussion.

[@SDALLE99]

🤮

[@SirPokemonX]

I love your comment, was thinking the same thing

[@MustangsTrainsMowers]

I’ve never liked Joel Osteen and his chiseled smile. It’s like Jesus drawing people into church with ice cream, candy and lollipops.

[@rukshandezoysa6171]

😃😃😃

[@michaeledwards8051]

"A good person leaves an inheritance for thier children's children..." Proverbs 13:22

[@cheetolalito]

Wow... there must not be very many good people in this world then.

[@1kgsxrk7]

How about an inheritance of salvation...teaching and leaving the greatest blessing of all to your children

[@Anto-kz5hk]

@@1kgsxrk7 thats personal. Not transferible

[@sarahscroggins2793]

It doesn’t mean just money but it can be anything, house, car, items, etc.

[@teamtakeover7317]

@@Anto-kz5hk you're half right. Teaching salvation and how to come to God is transferable also an expectation.

[@jd595959]

Money is neither good nor bad. It merely serves as an amplifier of who we are. It helps us to manifest our values or lack thereof.

[@kenim]

@JD as someone who has money, this is what I always says about it. Power and money just amplify everything and beyond all barriers.

[@JJJameson101]

Money is a wonderful servant but a terrible master

[@anthonynosike]

You reap what you sow, its true about everything in life.

[@sumobowler3790]

not for everyone. plenty of people make a huge effort and never get paid. God, life, fate, the universe... whatever it is, plays heavy favorites

[@anthonynosike]

@@sumobowler3790 huge efforts doing the wrong things will always lead to the wrong results tho. I havent seen sowing and reaping fail

[@GemsOfGrace]

You reap what you sow but there’s also a lot of sin in this fallen world. Sometimes bad things happen and it’s not a direct result of our disobedience.

[@alucard2010]

Nope, not at all. How is it athiests prosper but Christians starve? 🙄

[@alucard2010]

@@anthonynosike I am sure you have. You just use confirmation bias and ignore the misses

[@StuartHerrington]

If you're worried that having money is immoral, donate it to the church. If they accept your donation it must be ok to have money.

[@JohnDoe-gc1kt]

😂😂😂

[@michealdouglas8206]

Successful people don't become that way overnight. What most people see at a glance-wealth, a great career, purpose-is the result of hard work and hustle over time.

[@christophercook7170]

Yeah! I agree with you sir.

[@christophercook7170]

If you want to be successful have the mindset of the rich, spend less and invest More. Don't give up your dreams.

[@davidmike6847]

@@christophercook7170 People come here with the aim of chasing money more than knowledge and that will damage your progress, trust me. Chase knowledge first and I promise! The money will follow you just like it's following some of us now.

[@gabrielanthony9995]

@@davidmike6847 That's very correct sir!! And that is why most of them end up losing they money to scammers.

[@gabrielanthony9995]

Don't be in a haste to invest. Know what and who you are investing to and be sure that the person will deliver before investing.

[@Je.rone_]

*"An abundant life whic is not everything but money, its everything including money"*

[@patrickjordan2233]

Yep

[@multistack1502]

A sad life is sitting on KZbin daily and commenting

[@jogmas12]

That sound like a page taken out of one of Joel Osteen’s books

[@lesterh9421]

I dont understand this part, anyone can help me figure out whay this means?

[@Armadillo11111]

@@lesterh9421 I understand it as: If you have everything except money, there's nothing that money could buy anyways. You have it already. So your life is the same as if you also had money, since your life isn't affected in any way by the amount of money you have.

[@SB-ht8uo]

Wow, thank you Dave Ramsey. I just got a job as a mortgage loan officer & I've been feeling so guilty for putting myself in a position where I wont have to worry about money. I had NO IDEA you were a Christian! I can't wait to learn more from you.

[@charisendicott]

How do you not have to worry about money as a mortgage loan officer? My husband has been an mlo for 15 months and we are nowhere near not worrying about money. It’s actually the exact opposite for us. I’m interested in hearing what you’re doing!

[@mountainmonkey15]

@@charisendicott No they meant worry about money that they are lending out to others

[@charisendicott]

@@mountainmonkey15 oh ok that is not how I interpreted what the commenter said. To me it sounded like this person is an MLO and they have been feeling guilty for being in a well paid job so they don’t have to worry about money coming in. That is how I read it. Maybe I was wrong but that’s how it sounded to me.

[@treeroofgrass]

@@charisendicott I read it the same way 😳 🤷‍♂️

[@michaeltewes7833]

@@treeroofgrass LoL everyone worries about money even my millionaire friends and you can take this comment either way.

[@MK-wh1pi]

The Bible teaches us how to prosper. Prosperity is not the problem. The heart of man and the sin nature are the problems of man. It's not wrong to prosper or else the church would have no support! Your family would lack support! If it's wrong to prosper, then work for free, never take a raise, and never receive a gift from anyone for any reason because all of that are forms of prosperity.

[@andreakumar2984]

“No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions or good ideas. He had money as well” -Margaret Thatcher

[@SeeRGeneration]

well said

[@angielo8070]

That's a good point. I never thought of it that way. Well said!

[@AuthorLHollingsworth]

Amen.

[@CHEEZWHIZ62]

It doesn't say he had a lot of it. That could of been all he had.

[@littleredcelt]

Yuck

[@bellaholmes5499]

Having money is not a problem, no matter how much you have, as long as you put the Lord first. The Scriptures say "For the love of money is the root of all evil, and some people, craving money, have wandered from their true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10). Never make an idol out of money!

[@saywhatondat]

Amen

[@alvick353]

Money makes a good servant but a bad boss.

[@ryanweston9677]

I have a lot of money and don’t believe in God. But I’m not evil. I hope you don’t assume that of others.

[@kentnauman9863]

I’ll take the money you can have Jesus

[@Terminator550]

Agreed, having wealth is a tool that can be used to finish the Great Commission that Jesus Christ commanded for believers to do.

[@jochem1986]

I hope I'm not the only atheist listener of Dave. Because aside from the religious drive of Dave and his ways, he gives some really sound financial advice.

[@Jemgirly]

I'm a Christian and I totally agree with you. All people can benefit from Dave's advise.

[@lacoste014]

Same here i am an atheist and like Dave’s teachings and principles.

[@conquistador2]

@James Marquis same can be said for Christians, do what you preach.

[@Jemgirly]

@@conquistador2 you're definitely not wrong!

[@jochem1986]

@James Marquis Well, I do think Christians are wrong. But that doesn't mean I'm hateful or bigoted. I just feel like every human deserves to have knowledge available of what we are able to understand. A conviction is nothing more than a glorified opinion. Which by design is subject to scrutiny. Which is fine. But we get from opinion to fact by experimentation, repeatability, peer review, logic, reason and deduction. But perhaps that's just me.

[@Rob-kv3ry]

While their is nothing wrong with riches in and of themselves, they also come with a great responsibility attached to them. . Luke 12:48, "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." . Agur prophesied to Solomon some truths, and this is one of them: . Proverbs 30:8-9, " (8) Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: (9) Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain." . Basically it's best to be somewhere in the middle. It is a lesson for all of us. . Ecclesiastes 1:2, "Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity." . Glory to God

[@matthewgarcia2119]

I consider this matter settled. Good on Dave for really tackling this subject. In Mark Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." Jesus gave this answer as a response to a question that boiled down to “is it right to pay taxes to the emperor?” Now the men asking the question were trying to get him in trouble but if they had been sincere, a simple question would have followed “What belongs to God?” I want you to think about what the Bible does fundamentally for us. It does many things but the two fundamental things you should have gleaned from reading it. 1.There is a God 2.He Loves you. Jesus dying on the cross was his message to his willingness to see us with him. In Matthew 6:21 it says”For where your treasure is, there your HEART will be also.” If your HEART is not with God then it’s irrelevant how little or how much you have because honestly, the both of you are in the same boat. God wants YOU! Money is just a piece of paper that has a trust that you can exchange it for goods or services and to treat it in any manner other than this is foolishness.

[@ozarkbagger1380]

Most Christians have no understanding of scripture concerning prosperity. I think Mr. Ramsey did a good job of answering the mans question. I agree with Mr. Ramsey on his idea of long term wealth not trying to get rich quick. Scripture talks about that. There is the sowing and reaping and it does work but the key is did God lead you to do it. People here just a little and think hey I can just do whatever I want and it will work but it doesn’t. We do it Gods way according to scripture not someone’s opinion. Matthew 6:33 seek ye first the kingdom and all these things will be added to you. Read that whole chapter. God and His things come first before family, before our own wants etc. like Mr. Ramsey said God is good and he wants to bless us we just have to do it his way. Yes there are crooks in ministry just like any other profession. It doesn’t do away with the real though. As far as people being poor means they’ve done something wrong that’s crazy. Now they may not know God wants them to not be poor because someone told them he does. God has a specific plan for each of our lives and on that plan is the peace of mind, the fulfillment we are missing and also the blessings. Money is a tool it can be used for good or evil. Money and stuff has nothing to do with going to heaven but it does make life here easier. We can’t bless and help others if I don’t have extra at least financially. Gods has been lord on for hundreds of years by the devil deceiving his people. God can bring someone out of poverty in any part of the world no matter how poor you think they are. If people don’t know he’s good they don’t expect him to be good.

[@victoriagarcia5533]

Prosperity gospel is a joke. Joel Osteen sounds like he reads off of a hallmark card.

[@Josh-vc8lr]

all religion is a joke.

[@BLACKMONGOOSE13]

Josh Go ahead, make your jokes, Mr. Jokey Joke-maker.

[@judymckee5992]

Victoria Garcia, Don't go to the extreme, God said:, His plans are to prosper us and to give us a hope and a future.

[@isettech]

For citations, it is best to go to the source. The rich young ruler shows the heart in the wrong place. Luke 18:18-34. The parable of 10 talents. Matthew 25:14-30. Father provides. Matthew 6:28. Provide for your family 1 Timothy 5:8. Do not be an enabler. Matthew 7:6. Giving. Luke 21:1-4. Tithes and offerings. 2 Corinthians 9:7. Luke 6:38. 1 John 3:17. Matthew 6:24.2 Corinthians 9:1-15. Saving money 1 Corinthians 16:2. Paying your taxes Matthew 17:24-27. It is pretty clear we are called to be good stewards. We are to handle money wisely. Invest and grow, provide for needy, provide for your needs with savings, pay your taxes, care for your family, etc. Churches teaching greed are wrong. Churches teaching poverty are also wrong. Being fruitful, paying your taxes, wise investing, and above all with a loving heart knowing all your blessings are the Lord's, and you are the steward or caretaker of it. You are the Lord's financial advisor. Treat his gifts with grace and loving care. Do not be the fool and waste it on frivolous things. Save for your retirement so you are not a burden to others. Save for your kids school. Bring money to your church's storehouse so they can provide for the members in time of need. Does your church actually provide for members in time of need? You hear about churches all the time raising money. Do you hear about the churches assisting with rent, utilities, and other needs? The church I attend approached me when my wife died and I was unemployed. An elder approached me and asked if I needed assistance. Due to good stewardship, I did not need assistance yet, but this is how I found out about my local church fulfilling this scripture's requirement. I am back to work and make special donations to the Fellowship Fund at my church to help with members in need during this crisis. Where your money is your heart will be also. Luke 12:15. Matthew 6:19-21.

[@alucard2010]

What source? A translation of a copy of a copy of a copy? Matthew, mark, Luke and John are not even the ones who wrote those books. It's anyomous they never signed their work 🙄

[@MsJoyce31202]

You give because you have been blessed to do so. So you are already blessed. I never believed you didn't "need" money though. But remember you reap what you sow ALL TIME, not just money wise. Be careful what you do ALL THE TIME, it comes back to you.

[@misspriss2482]

The beauty is that you don't have to have money to give. When I was out of work for a time, I gave my time to my church by making the church programs, tutoring some of the kids, and teaching a class on Wednesday night for free. You can be broke, but help your elderly neighbors around the house. Generosity in any form is welcome.

[@hunkeringdownwithlanny3900]

Money makes the world go around. But the the LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Where your treasure is there will your heart be also?

[@JK20239]

the bible says we are to be good stewards of gods money. yes the money belongs to god. and he didnt say to live it up like the joneses.

[@szqsk8]

Joshua Not all of us Joneses are rolling in it, believe me 🙄

[@Jemgirly]

@@szqsk8 haha good point 😂

[@finger2214]

I appreciate that Dave talked about both ends of the spectrum. When I was in college, I often felt judged by several of my Christian friends/colleagues just because I had a job making decent money and wasn't pursuing a career in ministry. Those that are in ministry as a profession should be careful about this so that they don't develop a "holier than thou" attitude. They might even take a very literal stance on Jesus' command to "follow me" to the point where they own next to nothing, make no money, and are basically funded or live off of money given by others. You can't have 100% of the church body living this way. It just doesn't work.

[@strnglhld]

It can also go the other way. I was close with a pastor who is now a megachurch pastor wearing $600 shoes. I am not sure if his mistress, at least back then, will ever expose him and their secret child.

[@finger2214]

@@strnglhld True.

[@lookingatdaisies9901]

My church, one of the first sermons I heard was how people are made for different things in the body of Christ, some will be the business owners that are blessed to bring money, if God wills it, some you won't be the business you might just serve in church, bring the energy etc. They talked about the history of our city, where many Christians were actually the owners of businesses that has become big global brands. They didn't promise we'd all be business owners though, they preached that Prosperity was a poison, and I believe the talking about business owners part was actually when they wanted to complete their trashing of the prosperity gospel by saying don't go towards poverty gospel either.

[@TheEMC99]

Great to see Dave answer this question. People in other undeveloped countries shouldn't be condemned as faithless because they're impoverished. Many times God calls us who have to help them but we aren't acting on His clear will and direction.

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

Excellent point!

[@DigiMyst]

Some people in other nations are legitimately oppressed by their government, so it'd be such a terrible thing to accuse them of being faithless when they're just a product of circumstance

[@ramseyabsessien8990]

Note: The people in poor countries are blessed without measures by natural resources but the western governments have been exploiting them to their detriment. America says.. that development of third world countries is a threat to America, so they do everything using their dollars, military, qnd international organizations and sometimes a bad leader in those countries to permanently keep them underdeveloped and poor. Check out American Economic Intelligence Report of 1974.

[@judymckee5992]

@@ramseyabsessien8990 , I came from a 3rd world country, life was difficult and I always wonder, why God let me be born there. When I became a believer in Jesus and read the Bible, my life changed. I know my purpose, God's will for me , His plans, His empowerment through the Holy Spirit, direction , wisdom etc. ( many perish for lack of knowledge, knowledge in Word of God). I became a successful businesswoman( no college and poor), with God nothing is impossible, not with govt.

[@alucard2010]

Why does an powerful god need help?🙄

[@LastFallenSentinel]

One of the many prosperous qualities the Gospel provides is when you earn enough to be generous to the rest.

[@patrickjordan2233]

E:xactly I came do the god-given epiphany 14 years ago, that to affect the world, I needed larger tools. This understanding has sustained me through flood, hardship, and 110 hr work weeks inventing and building businesses around those inventions...and HAPPY to do it! $ isn't the goal, a better world is the goal $ is just a tool to achieve that...

[@brianclay5191]

Don't agree with that. There is no guarantee of any financial prosperity in the life of a Christian. Look at the Jerusalem saints in the first century. They were all poor. That is why Paul took up a collection from the church at Corinth. It took over ten years for that money to reach Jerusalem.

[@lasnow4582]

Absolutely! A great reason to wrestle with this concept until you can come to courage and wisdom.

[@jesseparker2656]

I had a college religion professor insinuate to me in a discussion that the Dave Ramsey program is the prosperity gospel. After the discussion i found more than one video with Dave saying it's not the prosperity gospel. So, i asked him later on about Proverbs 22:7, and acted like he didn't know about the verse.

[@DeionSardines]

The prosperity Gospel comes from pastors.....right? I don't see Dave Ramsey as a pastor, more like a financial advisor who is evangelical Christian.

[@ShiningSakura]

I read it and without context sure... but with context I am not seeing it. Funny thing context is, it changes everything.

[@numanuma20]

HeySmartGuy 98 They come from certain pastors who want to build mega churches and steal money. You can tell who their are because they use broad statements in the sermons and use the passion translation bible.

[@SeeRGeneration]

Yeah ... pretty sure that his catchline live like no one else today so you can live like no one else later, is referring to putting in a crazy amount of work and effort early on in your life ... most prosperity gospels push people to use God as a personal genie

[@dogan6070]

Proverbs 22.7 means the rich rules over the poor and the borrower is a servant to the lender. If you don't want to be in this situation. Then Say No to borrowing money and work hard and save your money.

[@peterhussey-yeo9041]

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success

[@hopenfaith6255]

It is the love of money or greedy is a sin. God gave wealth for Solomon, Abraham & David. I don’t understand this is a difficult thing to understand.

[@alucard2010]

Sin is a religious construct 🙄

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Having lived in the developing world, it's simply not correct to suggest that somebody making $38k in the U.S. is that wealthy. The money just doesn't go that far as everything is more expensive, I was feeding myself on about $4 a day and renting a nice apartment for $200 a month, good luck doing anywhere near that well in the U.S..

[@thecatnextdoor12]

In the U.S. I eat on $5 a day.

[@RhinoXpress]

6:18 yeah explain that to all those that fall into a bunch of money and can't handle it like music artist, sports stars, actors, lotto winners etc. How many times have we heard about these types of people ending up being wreckless with their money and go bankrupt as a result? a lot.

[@ParthJani]

01:10 Agreed with Dave, both of the concepts are exaggerated. How about you?

[@szqsk8]

Insightful Businesses 👏👏

[@alucard2010]

There are hundreds of scripture about slavery too 🙄 so why is he cherry picking verse's? How can the Bible be insightful

[@U2beRejects]

Render to God what is Gods to Caesar what is Caesar’s

[@f.-j.j.5738]

As a Haitian, I wonder, according to the prosperity gospel, what The Haitian Christians did wrong to be in hopeless poverty. They didn't tithe enough? Manifest their destiny? Believe enough?

[@acr4715]

F.-J. J. It’s critical to point out, that Christianity is not the official religion/philosophy of Haiti.

[@Josh-vc8lr]

Christianity is a load of rubbish built by the Romans to exploit and tax the working classes. Haitian economy is stuff because women haven't been empowered to have control over their own reproductive functions. The total population is far too high for the opportunity the land provides. It also doesn't have alot of natural resources. Plus their government doesn't invest in education to the level needed to improve social trust and investment.

[@Josh-vc8lr]

@@acr4715 It's important to point out neither is Dubai, Japan, Singapore all richer countries per capita than the USA

[@ryanweston9677]

They believed in a God that would provide for them. God has done nothing for anybody, yet good people still believe in the fairytale.

[@machintelligence]

Television evangelist Pat Robertson's claimed that Haiti is cursed by a pact with the Devil. Personally I think he is nuts (or senile.)

[@kevini4295]

I would never donate a dime to one of those prosperity gospel megachurches/preachers like Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc.

[@angelpaige1500]

for real today's church is currpt

[@guidofeliz8384]

Jesus died to pay for our sins with the blood He shed on the cross. He didn't die to increase your finances. This is Christianity 101.

[@joshuawebb3337]

In my experience the prosperity gospel ppl tend to worship faith itself instead of the object of our faith. Jesus.

[@chanelgraham4463]

Simply put!!!! It’s true.

[@TheHoriginal]

Wow Joshua! Interesting perspective

[@MrTwade2006]

I don’t think most of them understand scripture enough to worship anything other than what their pastor tells them to do. That gospel has ruined so many lives because it teaches ppl to forsake Jesus by chasing whatever it is that will bring them riches instead of chasing Christ. If we seek the kingdom of God and its righteousness, all things will be given to us, ALL. I worked hard all my life and was married to someone who didn’t manage God’s resources well. We stayed in debt and stress. After my divorce I took control of my own finances and took financial peace university. But I lost everything in that marriage so had to start over at 43 yrs old. But I learned so much through Financial Peace University. I got it together but it took about 6 years to recover and even be able to buy another house. But I was fortunate to buy a home that was a foreclosure and repaired it. I got remarried 8 yrs after that marriage and we paid off that house I bought before we married after 4 yrs of marriage so it was paid off in 12 yrs total. We have no debt and we are working on building our 401k’s, our IRA’s and we already have a fully funded emergency account. We have the freedom to support 4 Christian organizations and 1 non Christian organization that do great work in saving lives of children. So money is needed but it should not become our God. Actually what we have ultimately belongs to God. If we could just keep the mindset that not any of what we have belongs to us, we wouldn’t chase the dollar, we would chase God and He would supply every need we have and then some. He does it for me everyday and I have cancer and He provides the resources for me to get the care that I need to continue on as He has me here to do His will. But I will say, being outta debt afforded me to be treated at the number one hospital in the world for the type of cancer I have. We could afford to live in another city on and off for 1 and 1/2 year and still maintain our home easily because we had an emergency fund and no debt. I wouldn’t have gotten the care I received if we had not been financially able to stay in another city to go through the treatments. I don’t like the prosperity gospel because there are holes in their messages but I do believe in being a good steward over everything God has blessed us with and that’s why we have been able to do the things God has us do. But let me tell you this too, my chemo meds are $17,000 plus a month and God supplies that too because the manufacturer gives us the meds for free. They work up something with this hospital to where their patients get the care they need no matter the cost. So for me I see God in everything I do because sometimes it’s not always through money, but not one of us can purchase favor, that a gift and God bestows His gifts on whomever He desires to give them to.

[@tfries72]

Then Jesus said to his disciples: let there be rice and beans

[@Josh-vc8lr]

Jesus said let the rich exploit the poor so I can have an Ipad Pro

[@MrPedro4president11]

Beans and rice

[@JamesWilson-sb9iq]

Nice one

[@judymckee5992]

Ty J, Don't add or subtract, what Jesus said or make a mockery!

[@Samoatupo]

I know for a fact that I can’t handle money even though I want more I wouldn’t handle it well

[@jvolstad]

I haven't attended Church in decades. Most of my estate is going to a charity I support.

[@tinamitchell5205]

Jvolstad I'm sorry to hear that you haven't been to church in decades. Most importantly I'm praying you know Jesus and you have a relationship with him. Jesus loves you!!

[@AdamOusley]

I appreciate you talking about this subject, Dave! It's great to hear your perspective.

[@expo7112]

And Lo Dave sayeth, what is thine household income? Saveth thine shekels for thy chariot owneth thou. Thou shalt live on rice and beans.

[@dianapopa3355]

Hah hah. Great comment!

[@pontiac411]

If one believes the Word of God they will eat what God gave us for food, If one believes the Word of God they will handle God's money the way He says. In doing so you will prosper. It seems most believe "in" God but few actually "believe" God.

[@MexicoTraveller]

THE BIBLE DOES SAY DONT MAKE YOUR GOAL TO BE RICH. You may become rich while walking the Christian walk but it was not your primary focus. Seek first the kingdom of and all these things will be given to you. Be content with what you have today.

[@ghgilland]

Not sure where Dave gets the idea that the wealthiest folks are going to hell. I'm not sure who really interprets that passage that way. What Jesus said was...Matthew 19:23-26 NIV Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. [24] Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." [25] When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" [26] Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Notice, he said it's "hard", not that they're all going to hell. He's highlighting what he referred to in the parable of the sower when he eluded to the deceitfulness of wealth (ie - wealth itself is often a trap). I do wonder why Dave handles the dangers of wealth so casually while referring to "winning life" as accumulating wealth. Sounds to my untrained ear that Dave may have already become a victim of the exact dangers Jesus was referring to.

[@ozrenmaricic2141]

Then Jesus said to His disciples: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

[@ethangamer3173]

The bible also says HE WHO DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR HIS FAMILY IS WORSE THAN A NON BELIEVER!!! so both are right or both are WRONG !!

[@craigslistrro709]

Amen to that.. thankfully for me, I have avoided the trap to excel in the direction of that temptation, along with the other traps like drugs and alcohol...There were all avoided on purpose.. Always being thankful and content with where I was in life.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

Fun fact. The eye of a needle, isn’t referencing a sewing needle.

[@ensignmjs7058]

Ironically all that enter the Kingdom of God will be rich. Thank the deities I'm Agnostic and don't have to worry about supernatural beings.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

MySonNarkoman And they would frequently break their knees going through the gate and have to be put down. Not always, but frequently.

[@tlbue32]

Interestingly enough I looked up my Pastors income is over 500k per year. The second long standing Pastor makes up to 200k. Yet they preach humility and meekness. Makes you wonder. 🤔Dave is a wealthy Christian straight up he’s worth quite a bit. The lord has given us talents and In the end it’s how you used those talents to build up the lords kingdom and spread the gospel. Or did you use them for greed.

[@cheetolalito]

Wealth built from a business providing a service to consumers is completely okay. Pastors making $500k preaching in $20M dollar stadiums have consumers, not congregants.

[@breezylottery7741]

Is that typical for a Protestant Pastor? My priest owns literally nothing, even the two habits he wears are not technically his. But he is provided a room, food, health insurance, etc. He has taken a vow of poverty and therefore owns nothing.

[@BILLIONAIREGH]

Jesus does Not put limits on anyone's income. Any man, Pastor or not can make us much as he wants legally

[@elizabethrose3667]

I heard a minister say the best thing. Ministers get pms. Power, money and sex will bring you down. He said, ministers can be lazy and bring in hoards of money.

[@gb259]

Don't forget about Job, loved God and was well off. So, having money isn't wrong, for the love of it leads to all kinds of evil. Job knew how to handle what he was blessed with even after losing it all.

[@sierra7534]

Abraham is thought to be one of the wealthiest people to ever walk the earth

[@darinherrick2503]

Hmmm...mostly good but Jesus could read people's hearts. And he looked at rich people and said "Give away everything you have to the poor. Then you will have treasure in heaven. Come be my follower." And then the rich went away grieved "for he owned many things". So if you follow the gospel, you won't acquire a lot of riches. Now what a lot means is up to you I guess. But really, if you are attached to your things...it might be time to start divesting yourself of them. If you are a true follower of Christ and you see someone in need you should feel compelled to just give them things you NEED because "they need it more than I do". I'm not perfect by any means but I strive to err on the side of generosity. I'm trying to live a life of financial freedom so that I can do more for God and others, not just so I can just buy a bunch of junk. You can be rich or in debt and be materialistic. But I don't think you can be rich and not be materialistic after a certain point. If you have enough to live on for the rest of your life that ought to be enough, don't you think?

[@gilabola4642]

Money in your hand is good, money in your head is bad - Khabib Nurmagomedov (even an UFC fighter is wiser than many so called expert)

[@mickeylinderdesigns]

I believe as Christians we are to be good stewards of money and think wisely and I know so many Christians who think " suffering" is a way to pay homage to Jesus. If anything it's offensive. No one can suffer enough to match what Jesus went through so the best way to honor God is to become successful and help others

[@rem145]

The misinterpretation of money/evil is so bad. It makes a lot of poor Christians that had they had the correct attitude would really make a difference right here on Earth right now. It’s making Money your god in place of Jesus. That’s the mistake.

[@vaska1999]

Most of Jesus's disciples were poor. None of the Twelve was wealthy or even just well off enough to pay for his burial.

[@mogetit5999]

I agree with most of what DR is saying however I have seen and been a poor person that feeds others. Now are they in a position to do so? Probably not

[@HyperCupcake88]

Jesus was poor and hated the money lenders. Jesus encouraged wealth and/or prosperity? Doubt it. If it's in the Book, someone else probably threw it in there.

[@jackcarraway4707]

Paul spent most of his life in jail, on the run and pretty much broke.

[@truthkeeperfilms]

Yet, Ramsey goes to churches as a guest and gives these elaborate speeches about money. Speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Hypocrite.

[@tjnaples]

Proper biblical exegesis is a lacking quality in the church today.

[@keishabyam5594]

Good discussion

[@tonycordero955]

Prosperity gospel is not biblical…. It’s not a sin to be rich but god is not a bank

[@villainouschrisk2709]

having money doesn't make you a bad person. conversely, just because you have money, doesn't mean you are a good person. it's how you got it, and what you do with it. like adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

[@sanctifiedbytruth6048]

Human intellect and reasoning will always justify why we need wealth. The prosperity gospel has morphed into exactly what Dave is talking about. They teach the abundant life is for you to be able to bless others and further God’s Kingdom by funding the spreading of the Gospel. Good God loving people buy into this nuanced view of the need for prosperity because it sounds right. It sounds godly. We think God needs us all rich so we can do good in the world and this causes believers to be lured away with a desire to be rich. “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.” ‭‭I Timothy‬ ‭6:9, 11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ We are to be content with our food and clothing. We don’t need to pursue wealth for helping others, we need to help others with whatever little we have because God commends the widow who put in 2 small coins and said it was MORE than what the religious people put in. God can multiply fish and loaves REMEMBER! God doesn’t want us desiring riches for ANY REASON! Especially not because of carnal, worldly, human reasoning which thinks we need it to help others. We all will at time experiences abundance and lack, and so that there is equality we give as we are able, because God wants us neither tempted nor burdened: “For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack-that there may be equality.” ‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭8:13-14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@richardhawkins2647]

When I first started looking for teaching on a Christian attitude to money, I got both the prosperity preachers and a famous preacher saying (shouting) wealth is always a curse! Then I found Dave!

[@samueljimenez6264]

Jesus was poor too in a worldly view but he is the creator of all things

[@freppy06]

He was actually fairly wealthy.🙂

[@thestonehousefarm1942]

I really enjoyed this conversation. Would like to here more like this. Thanks Dave team

[@symlexbrn5396]

Abundant life refers to salvation and eternal life, it has nothing to do with money and the life now because we will soon leave this life.

[@christymoore4047]

The Gospel Itself promotes prosperity as one of the meanings of prosperity is successful, flourishing, thriving condition. Jesus declared that He came that we might have life and life more abundantly. The issue with the "prosperity gospel" is that it's unbalanced as the focus is mainly material wealth. I believe that the presentation of prosperity solely in this way gives the impression that the Lord doesn't care how else we live in other areas of life.

[@blacksmith0316]

Thank you for addressing this!!

[@lmcalo]

Wow Dave thanks for discussing topic. Sir you have my respect. Thanks for your strong convictions and expressing them without shame. Your channel has been a blessing for my marriage.

[@angc214]

It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than to get a rich man into God's Kingdom, but through God all things are possible.

[@MsJoyce31202]

And poor people do feed hungry children, just not many.

[@bizzybizzo1478]

I caught that too...they usually share whatever they have to offer

[@jogmas12]

They do, but not to the great extent that a rich person can, that was Ramey’s point.

[@jogmas12]

Far Above Rubies they were putting money into the offering box at the synagogue she was not giving to feed the poor. Obviously as a percentage of what she had she gave more but even if she was giving to feed the poor it probably would not of fed very many.

[@jogmas12]

Far Above Rubies well, the whole point Ramsey was trying to make is a rich person can feed more people than a poor person and when much is given, more is required. I think Bill and Belinda Gates live by this rule as they give alot to charity

[@KM-nq7ez]

Find on utube ... (Giving a homeless person “ a pizza “ or “ a burger”, )the homeless person almost always immediately takes it to share with someone else.

[@debbieforhim7800]

LOVE you Dave! Thank you for your ministry!!!

[@Cw81Deut6n4]

Wisdom bombs being dropped!

[@craigslistrro709]

Only God knows your heart, I also know that it pleases God to give what excess you have away, as a way to show your commitment to God...I also know that we as a society know what excess is, even tho we like to toss around the definition of it and pretend it means something different to different people. I also know that we humans, by our very nature will not live without the things we have that make our lives comfortable. I also know that wealthy people define " comfort" differently than the rest of society, and they will inherently justify sustaining that level of comfort.The rest of us can take comfort in knowing it's not up to us to prove that one way or the other... I have never know wealth, but I have known real poverty on a scale that most Americans have not. Everyone will be schooled in their level of sacrifice in their own due time... Including Dave Ramsey,

[@bosshismoney4424]

God wants us to prosper in every area of our lives. That said, we need to work and be worthy of the blessing.

[@jogmas12]

Is that from one of Joel Osteens books?

[@bosshismoney4424]

TheGP that’s just what I believe

[@Josh-vc8lr]

Shake your money maker girl!

[@randyparlor5953]

3John 1:2 Beloved, I desire that you prosper and be in good health, even as your soul prospers. 2Thessalonians 3:10 If a man will not work let him also not eat. Deuteronomy 8:18 The LORD gives you power to get wealth to establish His covenant in the earth. Matthew 25:14-30 20 So, he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’ 26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

[@NSGLiv]

Never thought dave would speak on this, thanks Dave

[@stevelee7781]

Dave rejects truth ..Christ's church IS CATHOLICISM...to deny that truth is heresy

[@thekingguerra]

Only JESUS CHRIST is The truth no a denomination. Catholicism is not of God is it satanic.

[@MichaelWilson-zd3eo]

Since when are "blessings" from God things you work for? Getting what you desired, planned for, and worked for isn't a blessing. It's a wage. Dave's argument goes awry as soon as he claims God is controlling who gets money and why they get it. How can that not be a version of the prosperity gospel? Do the "right" things, get money. He obviously believes that God is judging him worthy of his wealth. True blessings from God are available to everyone, come through His Word and Spirit, and aren't dependent on what part of the world you happen to live in.

[@randyparlor5953]

Blessings come from the LORD without our working for them - He rains on the just and unjust alike. Rewards come from the LORD when we engage processes He established or take actions He instructions - The wise build a treasury whereas a foolish man spends everything he gets his hands on. We do get money by doing the right things in the economic realm of our lives. Refuse to work long-term and see if enough income to satisfy needs comes to you. If you work, refuse to save and see if you will have money necessary to take care of problems and emergency issues that arise. Also, refuse to invest over the long-term and see if enough money shows up in an account later in life for you to live in the manner your accustomed and desire to live. I dare say, of your own doing, you would fail to get the rewards produced by gainful employment, saving, and investing and would live an impoverished life. Rich and poor alike can have hearts far from the LORD's heart and thus vision, desires, and pursuits not in accordance with His will. So, we who worship Him in Spirit and Truth must engage our lives and work in ways that seek His glory and to expand knowledge of His kingdom as we go about our employment and entrepreneurial endeavors. This will lead us to fruitfulness, profitability, and prosperity that pleases Him.

[@run4cmt]

It is so much easier to practice your faith if you are financially secure. It is easier to act ethically and with integrity when you do not have to worry about financial consequences. Being in good shape financially means you do not have to worry if doing the right thing costs you your job. That is the world we are living in.

[@ryan101120]

Dave actually indirectly affirms the prosperity gospel

[@richardcranium3479]

Greed is the root of all evil, not just the love of money.

[@kbcinmedusn]

What's really wrong with the prosperity gospel is the fact that it doesn't ever tell people or hold people accountable to work and earn their dollar. It also doesn't preach staying out of debt and budgeting and investing. And that's the difference between Dave and those prosperity preachers.

[@dannyabe6452]

I wonder if Dave loves Christ more then his money? Someday he may have to make that choice.

[@MegaGeorge1948]

How would the "Prosperity Gospel" apply to our Christian brothers and Sisters in third world countries that are being persecuted for their faith that have almost nothing? Not enough faith in the Lord from them? No. TV preachers (like Joyce Meyer, and Creflo Dollar) with millions and personal jets preach this trash. On the other end of the spectrum, some preachers universally apply the use of the encounter between the rich man and the Lord in Mark 10:17-31, where Jesus asks the rich man to go sell everything that he has, give to the poor and follow Him applied universally to today's Christians which is wrong too. Some Roman Catholics sometimes would take a vow of poverty and live like a poor monk for works salvation which is unscriptural.

[@randyparlor5953]

Should we tell them to remain poor and in lack all the days of their lives waiting for the government and all their poor family members and other friends to help them find enough food day to day and maybe a cave to live in? Of course, this would be harmful instruction. There is no promise of millionaire status in the bible nor any amount that determines your faith for salvation and eternal life. Only Jesus Christ provides that via His death, shed blood, and resurrection. However, it is patently false that scripture does not show the LORD's desire for people to prosper to be able to abundantly care for themselves, family, the delivery of the gospel message, the making of disciples, and funding of good works that help people at home and abroad. Contrary to assertions that some make, there are many people in countries with high concentrations of poor people, who have come from poverty to become high-earners and prosperous, without doing anything immoral. While I lead people to Jesus Christ, poor - middle income - and high-income, I speak the whole counsel of God in the bible to the poor including principles for prospering while they are on earth (because that is an area they need help in) and let them know not to love money and the things of the world, because that would be enmity with Him. They should believe He wants them to take actions within moral boundaries to prosper beyond the situation they currently find themselves even while they engage worship, praise, thanksgiving, meditation to enhance intimacy with Him, which in turn enhances spiritual maturity. We do them no favors when we fail to share biblical instruction that offers economic hope for their lives. The parable of the talents in Matthew 25 and the parable of the minas in Luke 19 show an expectation of what the LORD expects of the management of our lives and the money He entrusts to us.

[@stevendurrant1724]

‘Sell all you have and give it to the poor’ Most can’t do that but to cite the opposite in His name is blasphemy

[@x.mike.]

I believe that would be taken out of context because Jesus explains that he, the one Jesus asked to do so isnt able to do it because of his love for his own possessions.

[@Josh-vc8lr]

@@x.mike. Yeah it's taken out of context he meant to say buy a new sports car and bigger house.

[@machintelligence]

@@x.mike. The context was that the world was ending soon so it wouldn't matter much. Missed by a millennium or two.

[@deliveryboy90]

Edit: Formatting is garbage on youtube, it keeps changing this: Jesus continues his speech in Matthew 19:23-26 : 23Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Jesus did not say that it was impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, only that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Then the disciples asked "Who then can be saved?" Jesus replies "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” It is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE for a rich man to be saved. If God tells me, i'll sell everything I own, and do as he tells me. (I would not do this of my own, I can only do this with God's ability; The Holy Spirit.) Simple as that: Matthew 6:25-33 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[g] 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

[@randyparlor5953]

Jesus never told Zaccheus to give all his riches to the poor, nor did He tell the rich Christians mentioned in 1Timothy 6 to give everything to the poor. He spoke to the young rich ruler and gave him instruction based upon the condition of his heart. It was not a word for everyone, though everyone, including other rich people, should be rich in doing good works as directed by the Holy Spirit, using a generous proportion of money He entrusts to them.

[@deepfakesforreal9487]

"Poor people don't feed hungry kids".Dave? I think they do.... not in front of big screen Tv and the media but if you travel in poor countries, they share their meagre resources with more compassion.

[@akiram6609]

Having lived in a developing country, I’ve seen poor people feed people who are even poorer. It’s a fallacy that poor people don’t feed children. They do. Poor people do participate in charity.

[@TheHoriginal]

Agreed

[@bkucenski]

Proverbs 31 praises a woman for having multiple businesses and taking care of her household. It even explicitly says "trade is profitable." Ecclesiastes says it is evil when someone has everything they need and someone else gets to enjoy it. The Bible praises capitalism and condemns socialism. We are supposed to be productive and be generous with what we produce. But the world does not dictate what "generous" means. Even in socialist societies, the people who don't wait in breadlines are capitalists who have found a market to survive in.

[@cheetolalito]

Well said! 👏🏼

[@yurkouki]

Dave Ramsey- prosperity gospel is wrong . Also Dave Ramsey - now let’s go and make you rich !!!!

[@omni1562]

Prosperity gospel says " claim money, and you attract it". Dave advocates being wise with money

[@Memememe-is1yn]

Just read a great novel about this subject. It is called Melchizedek: Kings and Priests

[@John-xc2qn]

I’ve been troubled in the spirit about this question.

[@yoshit9819]

The prosperity gospel is a false Gospel.

[@bbkr7910]

Celebrating xmas and easter is also wrong.

[@iryairya2008]

I am infected by thoughts about anti wealth movement and still thinking that I have to be poor to be spiritual. And thought about all work is evil and worldly except spiritual church work. Like, I absolutely hate those anti wealth mindset. Please help me to be free from it

[@RubenJuliaValdez]

Well u deff don’t know your Bible. There’s more then 2000 scriptures on tithing, giving and finances. Nobody ever said Christ died to give us money. That’s just proof of miss information.

[@robmckee5295]

Thank for speaking on the subject. I read The Legacy Journey a few years ago, and I need to go back and review it to keep my headspace squared away.