How Can You Tell If You're Hearing The Prosperity Gospel? - Costi Hinn & Michael Cerullo

Pastor Costi Hinn and Michael Cerullo discuss how they started to see the cracks in what their families were teaching and how God opened their eyes to the errors of the prosperity gospel. Share this with your friends and family who might be caught up in this dangerous teaching!
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[@j.chenmuas]

Everybody is doubting this guy and telling him that costi doesnt know what he is talking about. Yo! He's a Hin, nephew of Benny Hin!!! He knows the behind the scenes of what his uncle has been doing. Thank God for Costi, the only member of his family to step out into TRUTH!!

[@davidpena9860]

@Dr. Alan Hales Interesting... What actually does Costi Hinn get wrong from your understanding? I would really like to know!

[@KaoXoni]

@Dr. Alan Hales Sir, I read you repetitively accusing others of not knowing the Bible - without even bothering yourself to explain or quote anything to validate your position or why and how exactly they are wrong. Theology aside, just technically obvious to me: Chances are the ignorance is on your side. Please check out Rev 3:16,18 and Luke 6:37-41 for starters if you would, boldly praying for the Holy Spirit to unveil your eyes in that matter. In case you were right all along, you've got nothing to lose. Otherwise everything to gain.

[@froggieprincess675]

@Dr. Alan Hales How do you feel about Joel Osteen? Or could you give me a list of names of prosperity teachers you agree with? I'm just merely curious, and curious as to what you deem as true WOF? I've only known the false WOF all my life, the cultish type, so I'm intrigued about a possibly true version. My father in law died from a horribly painful cancer that killed him slowly over 2 years, the last month being the most gruesome. He begged to be put out of his misery. He has been a solid believer all his life, believed in WOF, and yet he died from his cancer. His wife isn't in the best health condition either. I deal with severe depression, suicidal thoughts and extreme anxiety, I prayed for it over 10 years and had people pray for me in the WOF groups, and nothing came from it. I fully believe God can do what God wants to do, and he can certainly heal, and I had strong expectation in those 10 years. Never doubted him once! Even the part of the bible mentioning the faith if a mustard seed was always something that stayed in my mind. But with the death of my father in law, eventually my depression got significantly worse as I desperately begged and pleaded. I have seen so so many fall from the faith after being in WOF, its heartbreaking I'm not angry at God, just confused is all. God bless!

[@robbysmith7244]

Dr. Alan Hales actually God can use our greatest weakness and turn it into our greatest strength... Moses stuttered and argued with God about his ability to speak, yet God used him to free the Israelites from captivity. Throughout scripture, God has chosen the unequipped to do his work, not the other way around. You can say I’m ignorant of the Bible - I’ve never professed to be a Bible scholar. However, my faith is much stronger today than it has ever been. I’ve spent more time with God in prayer and reading his word, than ever before. My relationship with him is all that matters. I don’t need a physical healing to know that God exist or to know how much he loves me. God is good and perfect.. I will put my trust in him for the rest of my life.

[@robbysmith7244]

Dr. Alan Hales Oh I put my faith in action every day. I seek the Lord and ask to give me the strength to face each day. It is not easy living the life of a person with a physical disability... But Isa. 40:29-31 is the verse I live by “He gives strength to the weary, and to him who lacks might He increases power. Though youths grow weary and tired, and vigorous young men stumble badly, yet those who wait for the Lord will gain new strength; they will mount up with wings like eagles, they will run and not get tired, they will walk and not become weary.”

[@SheerohKiarie]

If you compare New Testament teachings with the Word of Faith teachings, you can see the difference is like day and night. The New T is all about Jesus, the cross, the blood, walking in the Spirit, being victorious in times of tribulations (suffering because of our faith). The WOF is mostly about me,me,me. Little (if any) talk about on the cross, the Second Coming of Christ or even the EndTimes. It seems to me their eyes are fixed firmly on the things below.

[@ritahkiziito6335]

This is true and powerful..it has caught my attention and crying sadly...was caught of WOF for years but am thankful to God for opening my eyes now reading this has given me better understand to the questions have been asking Lord about the word of faith

[@meplife7313]

Yes, you're right. I attended WoF and NAR churches for 30 years. It took sickness to get me out of that. God has helped me learn so much ever since. I don't even like the music I used to listen to like Hillsong. I detest the false teachers I used to listen to also and threw out their books. I'm now only interested in the bible and what it teaches. I listen to sound preachers and music now. I still have friends and family caught up in this nonsense and they get very defensive if I challenge them on any subject using scripture. They insist they must also have experience and not just the word of God. Although their focus is on experience. If you listen to them talk, everything is about "this man with the double anointing", "I just want more of God in my life", on it goes about how they want the 'experience' or 'encounter'. They use terms like 'activate', 'decree', 'declare', 'bind', 'rebuke', "double annointing", 'claim', "speak to", etc... all very focused on themselves and what they can 'get' out of God.

[@ritahkiziito6335]

@@meplife7313 the only regret I have and what am asking Lord to forgive me for the number of people I lead into it and me I left but they're caught into it to an extent they're sowing alot of money waiting for blessings that are always promised to them that the more money you sow the more faith you get and the more window God opens to pour His blessings for you, some who have got some blessings they think if they leave the blessings might leave them as well hence they are under control manipulation system.

[@megabuy1]

When I went to a prosperity WOF church the holy spirit set off alarm bells bigtime I had a word with the bishop & told her I dont agree with ur teaching 1st We r becoming Idolaters greedy and God becomes our servant we are suppose 2 Gods serve God & focus on his kingdom & will give us the desires of our heart not chase the desires of our heart

[@sandralaing8688]

Absolutely!!

[@shirleyray2102]

I cannot believe that I watched the tv preachers. God brought me out of it. Lord Jesus i repent for that. Thank you Jesus!

[@papermason]

I only listen to a couple of pastors online, but you have to stay in private prayer and the Scriptures. We all are in error at times, the Holy Spirit teaches and corrects us.

[@shirleyray2102]

@@papermason Amen

[@Andeezy04]

Nice!

[@shirleyray2102]

@Dr. Alan Hales it happened

[@shirleyray2102]

@Dr. Alan Hales When you are laid out in a bed with hallway broken back and you don't know any better, then it happens. I admit that God brings people out of the Jezebel church.

[@Ericadbury]

May God be praised for rescuing us from darkness. These two men were rescued. What a blessing to know these testimonies. It fills me with joy. Costi is a mature Christian who was humbled and know God is sovereign. He knows the Word and as he says before it was just a matter of making things up and then say 'God told me'. Ah how much I heard this. Thank God for rescuing us.

[@gn2665]

« No music, no fanfare... NO JACKET... » haaahahahahaha I’m done😭😭🤣🤣🤣

[@real_emeldah]

The jacket part 🤣🤣🤣

[@lynncw9202]

When the "preacher" starts shouting and going wild. First red light!!!

[@Talletc]

What is wrong with righteous anger?

[@lynncw9202]

@@Talletc that's not righteous anger. That's just hysterical shouting.

[@denisemayosky1955]

We can't control God! (Believe me, I've tried. It doesn't work!😊) Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

[@MTknitter22]

Oh my, I have heard Costi many times but did not know about Morris Cerrullo’s son. My brothers and sisters, I-know of another two but they are not public yet so I am staying quiet. God is correcting His children.

[@caramelunicorn8023]

Thank goodness for someone who tells the truth like this, because I definitely don't believe everyone gets healing, it just isn't up to us, its God's will.

[@teachmetruth3539]

One of the prosperity preachers favorite verse in the Bible is 3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Prosper in the Greek is Euodoō (G2137) compound of G2095=Eu, meaning good or well. And G3598 Hodos meaning “Way” or “road” Prosper is not our word prosper and not our word health. The word prosper is Euodoō , it’s constructed from Eu (well) and hodos (way). Put the word together it’s Euodoō in the original Greek Bible. Hodos is the common Greek word for “way”. It’s the same word Jesus used when he said, “I am the way” in John 14:6. And Eu means “well”. We see that on our word Eulogy. A eulogy is when you stand at a funeral and say well logos (words), well words over someone who died. Jesus said “I am the way (Hodos). He said there was a narrow Hodos (way) and a broad Hodos (way. So what John was wishing for gaius was the well way which is Christ. Also health is in the Greek “hugiano” meaning healthy words, uncorrupt words Prosperity preachers use that to say God is wishing for us to prosper and have money and physical health. It has nothing to do with money and physical health. If you like these kinds of teachings from the original Greek and Hebrew language? Go and listen to Jim Brown at grace and truth ministries if you haven’t listened to him already.

[@jameswillbanks758]

Gods word never says his will he never says anywhere that he is sickness gods will is for everyone to be well he dosent say sickness

[@radokenen9048]

That how i become a christian, after i broke my leg very badly on many places a friend of mine who was a christian pray for me and God healed my leg during the prayer. The pain gone completely, right before this prayer i came out from the hospital with x-ray in my hand where the doctor showed me how bad i broke my leg. And after this miracle i believe in Jesus with all my hearth, mind , soul and strenth. After i repent and accept Jesus as my savior it"s been a while and me and my brother in Christ this who pray for my healing we went to pray for another friend who was in coma arrond 6 mounths and God healed him in the same time while we praying for him. This was second miracle i saw in front of me and this second miracle nailed my fate in Jesus. This is my testimony and story how i become a christian, i know that not everyone who become a christian have seen miracles like this but i want to encourage you that Jesus never stop to do miracles, as a personal miracle all people who repent and believe in Jesus God make personal miracle for them , they become born again and that is the personal miracle to all who repent and believe in Jesus. God bless you all and don't doubt that Jesus still make miracles and healings these days. Praise the Lord. Amen.

[@RenewalCreations]

John 9:1-3 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

[@rosemcguinn5301]

Well chosen passage.

[@denisemayosky1955]

Thank you!

[@searchthescriptures2214]

John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

[@JayRedding12_12]

"You just make up what you want and say 'God told me" wow

[@amsterdamG2G]

When i read name it and claim it, I'm gone...

[@sunshinegirl1967]

I know this so well. Been there. I wandered right into enemy camp as a brand new baby Christian after having been in a dead mainstream church all my life. One frequent propserity "gopel" saying is "the Word of God works FOR me". (Edited for clarity)

[@dawn7612]

Thank God you have your eyes wide open now!

[@heismightytosave527]

Amen!! I too fell for this pit of hell teaching as a baby Christian, I use to listen to Joyce Meyers, Beth Moore…. God revealed the truth to me, again lost some friendships BUT My Best Friend JESUS became closer! Yes God Almighty is Sovereign ✝️

[@miracle1077]

Jesus Loves You All 🕊♥️ To God be the Glory always.‼️ The Great I AM Jesus King of kings and Lord of lords.🕊♥️✝️

[@jesselopez7143]

God Bless Costi Hinn.

[@samuellomgkumer8066]

Mind blown .... praise the Lord for this message

[@olenaj6188]

Wow. Thank you for the truth.

[@facepalmingreformer8723]

I love these good brothers. And I am so thankful that the Lord also delivered my wife and children and and me from the prosperity gospel.

[@leine-marie153]

Beautiful testimony

[@oterosocram25]

Amazing, Thank you Costi. This always reminds me of Pauls conversion experience.

[@angramp3430]

Amazing!

[@reformedtubers1028]

Awesome👍😊 Yesss new subscriber as Michael Horton is a trustworthy and reliable Bible teacher👨‍🏫 👏👏

[@juhanipitkakari5999]

So beautiful testimony

[@gretacarrick5934]

And the Truth will set you free!

[@dawn7612]

Thank you for Core Christianity... ❤️

[@dawn7612]

Wow... Thanks for airing these men.

[@petert9660]

dr alan hayes and jesus journal i was edified by your input and fight of faith

[@Ftallabas]

I love listening to this show in the mornings on my way to work. God Bless You all!

[@CoreChristianity]

Thank you Felix, we are really encouraged by this!

[@arsenbayaslian2436]

God Bless Costi Hinn

[@garethifan1034]

Wonderful testimony of a true Gospel deliverance. Thank you Costi.

[@barbaranaylor2595]

This is so awesome 😍

[@chiesariformatafiladelfia2737]

Great conversation!

[@hugoyliniemi1650]

Pure religion is feeding the orphans and widows James 1: 27

[@robertj5208]

Pure (true) religion is believing in the Gospel message. Feeding the orphans and widows are the good works we can do as our due to God.

[@JesusRamirez-gh6em]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Thank you!

[@tobascoheat6582]

Thank you Core Christianity!! Thank you for presenting the truth. If Jesus is not lifted up, then it is SOME OTHER gospel, and NOT OF GOD!!! The Bible warns of this. Jesus warned of this. Thank you again!! You simply confirmed what I already believed.

[@beckyweaver5981]

It’s amazing how many good people are being deceived by these false teachers / false prophets. A friend of mine thinks TD Jakes is right up there next to Jesus. She actually thinks “you have to pray and ask God for what u want so He can act.” She actually told me that “God cannot act until you do that.” I pray for her but she’s too bullheaded to listen so I don’t even try to talk anymore.

[@teachmetruth3539]

Tell them this if you know anyone who is being deceived by these false teachers. One of the prosperity preachers favorite verse in the Bible is 3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Prosper in the Greek is Euodoō (G2137) compound of G2095=Eu, meaning good or well. And G3598 Hodos meaning “Way” or “road” Prosper is not our word prosper and not our word health. The word prosper is Euodoō , it’s constructed from Eu (well) and hodos (way). Put the word together it’s Euodoō in the original Greek Bible. Hodos is the common Greek word for “way”. It’s the same word Jesus used when he said, “I am the way” in John 14:6. And Eu means “well”. We see that on our word Eulogy. A eulogy is when you stand at a funeral and say well logos (words), well words over someone who died. Jesus said “I am the way (Hodos). He said there was a narrow Hodos (way) and a broad Hodos (way. So what John was wishing for gaius was the well way which is Christ. Also health is in the Greek “hugiano” meaning healthy words, uncorrupt words Prosperity preachers use that to say God is wishing for us to prosper and have money and physical health. It has nothing to do with money and physical health.

[@sandralaing8688]

I've heard this often.."you should come under a covering".. for fellowship, spiritual growth, a family. I agree...I am covered by THE ONE TRUE GOD, TAUGHT BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, growing in my faith by the free gift of grace from Jesus Christ. Imagine if we had fellowship like we read in The Book of Acts!!! That is the way Jesus Christ led. Many places of worship, sad but true, are spiritually dead ...only preaching The Gospel and living it out as a congregation, to the glory of God alone brings forth good spiritual fruit and will transform lives. No spiritual leader should be put on a pedestal either, only CHRIST gets ALL the glory and is worthy of ALL our praises. Sickens me to see how 'shephards' 'feed' the sheep of Jesus Christ. Its not what can I get from Jesus, its WHO I HAVE AND WHO I AM IN CHRIST. I believe many are waking up and coming out of these so called churches. Many desire to know Christ more and spend time in THE WORD and discover a DIFFERENT Jesus to the one who just gives,gives,gives and life is just a walk in the park, because we read THE WORD OF GOD FOR OURSELVES, and it tells us GIVE ALL YOU ARE TO CHRIST and IN THIS WORLD YOU WILL HAVE TROUBLE, BUT DO NOT FEAR FOR I HAVE OVERCOME THIS WORLD. PRAISE GOD ALMIGHTY FOR WAKING US UP!! HIS LOVE ENDURES FOREVER!!

[@kimberlymannis6021]

Awesome testimony

[@Memememe-is1yn]

Just read a great novel about this subject. It is called Melchizedek: Kings and Priests

[@rosemcguinn5301]

Thank you.

[@prettypumpkin2314]

Many people call themselves pastors I have no way of knowing if God called them or they called themselves. That's why I don't listen to them

[@duncescotus2342]

Oh dear Lord, if ever two theological wrongs make a right (even if they cancel each other out, or EVEN IF they make some kind of a seeming balance), wake me up from the HOLY WORD, which crushes the cedars of Lebanon, because I've erred greatly in my esteem for IT.

[@preachchrist8010]

Costi Hinn!

[@shlomochaim5231]

There is a lot of discussion on the internet regarding whether Christians are obligated to tithe. Although there is no command to tithe anywhere in the NT, tithing itself is not the problem. The evangelical teaching of tithing-to-be-blessed is the problem! Pastors and church leaders are greatly misleading their congregations regarding the benefits of tithing, particularly when they teach them that God promises to financially reward those who tithe to their local church. Those who teach this completely overlook the fact that most of God's most loyal servants in the Bible were poor in this life! For example, both John the Baptist and the apostle Paul were poor in this life. Similarly, Jesus praised the poor old woman who gave her only two coins to the temple treasury. She gave more than a tithe and yet was still poor. If God blesses the finances of those who tithe, why were these people poor? Where was their financial reward for good stewardship? Clearly there is a disconnect between the teachings of the Bible and the teachings of many evangelical churches. For those interested in this subject, Dr. Bompiani's new book "The Ninety-Sixth Thesis: Losing Faith in the Church, Finding Faith in Christ" is a must read. This book argues that the evangelical teaching of tithing-to-be-blessed is nothing more than a modern-day version of indulgences and thus just another scheme to raise money for the church. The author argues that this teaching not only reveals the problem with all of us, namely that we all struggle with selfishness, but it also holds the clue for understanding why we are here. We are selfish; God is unselfish and wants us to become less like ourselves and more like him and his son, the Christ. The author argues that is one of many clues that explains why we are here.

[@miriambrenneman7004]

I just found this talk. My husband attends a megachurch called LCBC in Manheim, PA. I am starting to doubt some of their teachings but don't know how to discern where to go from here or if there teachings are the prosperity gospel.

[@karacole2304]

Start with some of their teachings and compare them to the Scriptures. ☺ Are they being used out of context? Added to? Is the gospel being added to? Is it Jesus plus?

[@cameronmanley3527]

Hi, I see that this comment is 2 years old but I thought I would reach out anyway and hope you see this message. I live somewhat near Manheim. I have a lot of experience with prosperity gospel teachings because I’ve studied it in depth over the years. I too was once in a prosperity-ish church as a new believer and the Lord opened my eyes to the truth of His word. Over the last 6 years I’ve had 7 major surgeries and many life threatening complications and continue to struggle with chronic issues to this day. It was because of my physical suffering that I sought out deeper biblical understanding and the Lord took the veil off my eyes to see the beauty of the truth gospel. Wise Biblical Christians like Costi Hinn, Joni Eareckson Tada and John MacArthur were influential in helping me. All that being said, I go to a small church in Kinzers pa that has sound theology and lovey people. It’s called gospel of grace community church. You and your husband are welcome!

[@bradharford6052]

Interesting conversation. One thing I think I have observed among channels that point out error vs truth in their opinion or interpretation, is that often people tend to lump people into labels and categories, i.e. word of faith, prosperity, progressive, reformed, calvinists, etc. I think the truth is that every group or movement has some error and some truth. There is truth to be found even in "cult" groups. The problem is when someone hears a buzz word associated with a particular group or theological system, they assume that the person that used the word automatically believes everything that the group in question believes. Over the years I have heard a great deal of truth come from people like Copeland and those associated with that movement. I'm not familiar with Furtick, Osteen, Chandler and some of those folks but in hearing the videos of them being attacked, I have seen truth in them also. I have seen truth even from people like MacArthur, Baucham, and Peters. The point is that people make a lot of big assumptions based often on out of context data. The interesting thing to me is, in my opinion, none of these people or groups actually has an understanding of the grace of God, what it is and how it operates. So think wider and deeper and don't assume. That being said, it certainly seems that there is a great deal of craziness going on within the Christian community.

[@masha_alpha]

I believe what they did there was a good thing. You look at the Epistles that Paul and other apostles like Peter and John wrote and you can't just just be complacent about false teachings. They were so stern on false teachings which I feel is not the case with the present church. I look at a chapter like Galatians 1 and it just amazes me how stern Paul was about these things. This is so much made clear when he says that if anyone teaches another Gospel apart from that which Paul had preached they should be damned. And it gets more interesting with him saying that even if they themselves or an angel preaches another Gospel, they should also be damned. This just shows how serious they were about these things. And if we want to really build the church and have it succeed, we need to be as serious and stern about it as they were.

[@bradharford6052]

@@masha_alpha what is stun?

[@bradharford6052]

@@masha_alpha I guess I am still missing it. What does stan mean? Doesn't make sense in the sentence where it is used.

[@masha_alpha]

@@bradharford6052 So sorry about that I meant "stern" which can mean strict or firmness.

[@bradharford6052]

@@masha_alpha That makes sense. Thanks.

[@thomasallen4340]

If there telling you to sow a seed for a harvest. That's the properity gospel in a nutshell

[@e.a.p3174]

Isaiah 6:5 "Woe to me I'm a sinner." Prosperity gospel's main objective is to make the preacher rich. I guarantee, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, etc won't release any audited financial statements.

[@oterosocram25]

They don't have to release anything, look at their lifestyle.

[@Ericadbury]

Actually I read about Joyce Meyers ministry being ok regarding the accounts. Unfortunately that doesn't mean they are right in what they do with it. It's embarassing the lavishness but she herself said she doesn't worry with those who barely have for themselves yet contribute towards her ministry. So sad

[@chantalszemenyei1682]

I just got out of Andrew Wommacks bible college. Maybe it was a good move

[@gerwoman4289]

It was a good move for sure. Your thinking becomes clearer and then you realize wow I must have been under a spell to buy into "that". Still have friends in this movement but so thankful that God opened my eyes to see the deception. Be kind to yourself and pray for those being deceived. Dr. Michael S Heiser helped me a lot understanding scriptures.

[@ntlearning]

Not necessarily. If you are strong in the word, you can take the good and reject the bad. You can discern it.

[@randydodd7838]

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[@paulinegato4919]

Hello, can you help me as well with discernment. We have a pastor that talks about business in the church, he wants the members in the congregation to engage in the business, become millionaires and such and his reason is that he can't bear to see the congregation lacks money, in debt, doesn't have house, he wants people to get money. He started with reading in Genesis wherein we are created in God's image and he said because of that we are also able to 'plan' to have a business - to create something out of nothing. I kind of somehow hopes that due to the nature of this talks, there could be people that can help me with these. I've been studying, praying, watching, but I know I really do still lack discernment and desires to be surrounded by godly counsel which I do not have in our local church.

[@lightlover33]

There are many teachers teaching the simple truth that God wishes the good of His people in general with a heart to prosper them in all things. This is NOT a contradiction to the reality of suffering in this world. It is a statement to the nature of God and His goodness, and the goal of this teaching is to expand the bandwidth of generosity coming from believers. The red flag comes when the priority for the Kingdom of God and the core values for the Kingdom of God do not match an emphasis on prosperity. We are then dealing with an imbalance that is toxic, similar to those who exalt suffering and reflexively oppose any emphasis of prosperity regardless of its plain emphasis ALL throughout the OT, choosing to ignorantly label any such emphasis as a contradiction to the saving gospel.

[@teachmetruth3539]

Lightlover33 One of the prosperity preachers favorite verse in the Bible is 3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Prosper in the Greek is Euodoō (G2137) compound of G2095=Eu, meaning good or well. And G3598 Hodos meaning “Way” or “road” Prosper is not our word prosper and not our word health. The word prosper is Euodoō , it’s constructed from Eu (well) and hodos (way). Put the word together it’s Euodoō in the original Greek Bible. Hodos is the common Greek word for “way”. It’s the same word Jesus used when he said, “I am the way” in John 14:6. And Eu means “well”. We see that on our word Eulogy. A eulogy is when you stand at a funeral and say well logos (words), well words over someone who died. Jesus said “I am the way (Hodos). He said there was a narrow Hodos (way) and a broad Hodos (way. So what John was wishing for gaius was the well way which is Christ. Also health is in the Greek “hugiano” meaning healthy words, uncorrupt words Prosperity preachers use that to say God is wishing for us to prosper and have money and physical health. It has nothing to do with money and physical health.

[@alexr1587]

Why did you shoot the second guy from BEHIND ALL THE TIME?????????

[@joshgates87]

I think I may be attending the same church in San Diego he was talking about. If there’s a way I can get his contact info, I’d greatly appreciate it

[@karacole2304]

Reach out to him on social media. He has answered me before.

[@duncescotus2342]

Word of Faith is a discipline. At its best it's nothing more than taking every thought captive and perfecting the unruly member, the tongue. At its worst, it's just like every other erroneous discipline, dogmatic knots and carnality disguised.

[@jill-go7gd]

I think some may be under the assumption that all Pentecostals believe in the prosperity gospel which is definitely not true. There are many that speak against it mainly because it's a self centered gospel and not Jesus centered and that is always a mark that it is a false doctrine. David Wilkerson warned of it as well as others towards the last of his ministry. Self righteousness and greed is a very powerful belief, all the way back to the Pharisees.

[@user-vm5yk2js6w]

How could a concept like "prosperity gospel" not be corrupted?

[@ryanehlis426]

Jesus prospers his people

[@caramelunicorn8023]

what is your definition of prosperity? is it the truth, or a word of faith deception?

[@jamesespino1358]

@@caramelunicorn8023 Excellent question !

[@brookecoyl4734]

What commentary was it that Costi read about God's sovereignty???

[@MTknitter22]

@Brooke Coyl, if I remember correctly Costi said in another interview that commentary was written by John McArthur

[@UltraX34]

how do you deal with it when folks you know are sound enough on the gospel that they get things such as justification, repentance, atonement, etc. right, but are unaware that prosperity gospel folks are twisting this stuff at all? like, how do you deal with real Christians who have mixed some of this in out of ignorance? especially when they are your family?

[@mybibleandmybike]

Ify Nsoha that’s good and what I’m dealing with as well I would love for someone to speak on that...

[@tomk4984]

That's a tough question, but I would say most people don't see the error because they don't truly understand the truth well. Prosperity Gospel perverts the benefits of the cross and focuses on material blessings now rather than spiritual blessings now. Also Costi Hinn said the sovereignty of God is the thing that crumbled all the false teachings. So focus on the essentials. "Who is God" "What is the Gospel" "Who is man"

[@mybibleandmybike]

Tom K thanks that makes perfect sense ....

[@markhaney2884]

The true gospel is always based on how you can give or serve. Prosperity gospel is based on what you can get or receive and is in fact ," no gospel at all". We are healed and prosperous in spirit, we are righteous and reconciled to God by The Son, period. Ask yourself when you read the word, " how much wealth and success (by todays prosperity gospels standards) did Jesus and his original disciples accomplish or obtain?" Abundant life comes to those who love and serve others the way Christ did.........peace

[@SojournerDidimus]

If they are sincere in their following of Jesus, you should be able to point out to them that this certain aspect of whey they belief is not biblical, and they will be grateful for you pointing it out and then research it in the Bible. On the other hand, the prosperity gospel is not "a little mixed in", it's an entirely different theology on the inside and is more alike Hinduism or Mormonism than it is to Christianity, they simply changed a lot of words to make it sound Christian.

[@teachmetruth3539]

One of the prosperity preachers favorite verse in the Bible is 3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Prosper in the Greek is Euodoō (G2137) compound of G2095=Eu, meaning good or well. And G3598 Hodos meaning “Way” or “road” Prosper is not our word prosper and not our word health. The word prosper is Euodoō , it’s constructed from Eu (well) and hodos (way). Put the word together it’s Euodoō in the original Greek Bible. Hodos is the common Greek word for “way”. It’s the same word Jesus used when he said, “I am the way” in John 14:6. And Eu means “well”. We see that on our word Eulogy. A eulogy is when you stand at a funeral and say well logos (words), well words over someone who died. Jesus said “I am the way (Hodos). He said there was a narrow Hodos (way) and a broad Hodos (way. So what John was wishing for gaius was the well way which is Christ. Also health is in the Greek “hugiano” meaning healthy words, uncorrupt words Prosperity preachers use that to say God is wishing for us to prosper and have money and physical health. It has nothing to do with money and physical health.

[@darylsparks-sparksautomoti6066]

I would like for folks to know that talking about anything other than the gospel is simply a discussion. It might be helpful to understand but it's not expository preaching of the gospel.. Paul said "I desired to know nothing among you BUT Jesus Christ and Him crucified".

[@atomnautico3652]

Matt 9:22 - her faith made her whole, power left Jesus to heal her when "His Sovereignty was not planning on doing that". I'm open to learning, please rightly divide this passage for me. She's didn't control God, she accessed God by her faith: Ro5:2. Tell me your points of view, thanks.

[@KaoXoni]

Watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/qInXfX6BnL1qpdE for an excellent systematic bible study on the same event as reported by Mark

[@searchthescriptures2214]

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

[@searchthescriptures2214]

Lord Jesus is the Author of your FAITH Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

[@atomnautico3652]

@@searchthescriptures2214 thanks for your response. Not sure what your angle on the verses are though. He may work, but we can quench the work of God's Spirit in our life - 1Thess5:19

[@atomnautico3652]

@@searchthescriptures2214 thanks. Your angle? He Author's our faith, but we must prepare our hearts to receive and flow with it; Mk6:52; Pr4:20-23.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Honest Question: Do these Faith Teachers not use the words "righteousness" or "sinner" or "repentance" much at all? In my experience they do while manipulating the message towards Name-In-Claim-It with the rhetoric that God wants SO MUCH for us, i.e. nice clothes and homes and cars and $$$.

[@shawnstokes1242]

Benny teaches that God will make you rich ( if you give your money to Benny ) and your life will be wonderful. You will need to look at it as a good investment because they preach that you will get a hundred fold return on your "seed" offering. Give a dollar and get a hundred in return. (I am not making this up!) What about loving and helping the poor, downtrodden, and unwanted in society the way Jesus did? Prosperity preachers use Jesus to make themselves rich by twisting God's message until it is unrecognizable. Then they use this perverted and EVIL message to prey on the hurting and weak in society and milk them out of what little they do have. I am so glad to hear Costi Hinn has turned his back on someday making 100 million a year as the heir to his Uncle Benny Hinn's throne. I just almost lost my faith after a year around a prosperity preacher and his church. I started to doubt almost anyone that told me they were a Christian and questioned their motives and their salvation. Thank God I saw this story. My SOUL needed to hear this so much.

[@roninpawn]

Here's a quick litmus test: If the person at the pulpit preaches for an hour or more in study of the 'Rich Young Ruler' - a 10-11 verse passage - and in all that time, never gets to "How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!"... Never mentions anything about a camel or a needle's eye... You've just heard an hour of capitulating lies.

[@suthan43sususususu52]

Seed of faith n prosperity gospel need to be avoided at all cost

[@lightlover33]

This man failed to recognize the imbalance of his own culture, and now he fails to recognize the imbalance of "sovereignty" culture. He has exchanged one imbalance for another. Faith is both decisional and a matter of divine revelation. Faith is about action AND about patient expectation. This man has found some relief in a decisional mindset in "sovereignty," but he will find out eventually that this kind of cultural emphasis is rife with problems of its own. Any theology rooted in a Calvinist view of sovereignty at the expense of hearing the HS is every bit the equivalent distortion of "name it and claim it."

[@davidpena9860]

What do you do with John 6:36-37 and John 6:64-65? I would really like your input!

[@lightlover33]

@@davidpena9860 What do you do with the countless Scriptures highlighting human decision? You recognize that both are realities, and you leave the rest to mystery. What you don't do is create endless tail chasing discussions and make this issue the center of Biblical theology.

[@Ericadbury]

Why did you start the discussion then? Just to feel good about trying to sound mature saying it shouldn't be discussed? If others disagree with you it's just right that they challenge you. If you can't stand the heat leave the kitchen...or don't even enter it.

[@kjvwarrior777]

Any church can get caught up in the prosperity gospel movement, including Baptist churches.........

[@mrnt1257]

Tony Robbins is more legit than the prosperity gospel

[@shirleyray2102]

Tony has a potty mouth that stirs up emotions and God teaches us not to live by our emotions

[@mrnt1257]

Shirley Ray 😂😂😂

[@mrnt1257]

Shirley Ray you’re saying the prosperity people aren’t stirring emotions? Or that a worship service doesn’t stir up emotions?

[@shirleyray2102]

@@mrnt1257 How do you think you'll make it to heaven with your emotions? Fruit of the spirit has self control. Movies, and Hollywood stirs up emotions and if we don't take control of our own selves, then, we're targets for the devil. Know what makes you happy or sad, what stirs you up spiritually or sexually and take the word of God and put on your helmet and get busy fighting the war! I was in the Army and for no reason they teach you to never take off your helmet and never leave your weapon unattended. This is War!! I now understand the severity of going to war equipped to fight to win!

[@mrnt1257]

Shirley Ray we are emotional beings. God gave us emotions. Without them we can’t touch the heart of God or care about our fellow man. Yes, we are to have self control. Did I say I don’t have self control? Wow!

[@JewandGreek]

Looks like they both went from one extreme to another.

[@JewandGreek]

@Christie Kirk That depends on how you define "prosperity gospel" and how you define "heresy". If you define heresy as a violation of a fundamental doctrine of the faith then it's not heresy, unless you define "prosperity gospel" in a way that denies the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the Resurrection, justification by faith, the Trinity ... etc.

[@DangSensei77]

Jew and Greek Teaching any other gospel besides what we have been given is not good. Call it what you want. It’s just not what we are told to do. Unless you want to be accursed. That’s pretty clear in Galatians and pretty much all the New Testament. Sounds like he is addressing those who are adding and twisting the scripture and labeling them prosperity. Doesn’t really matter what you call it, a turd that’s polished is still a turd lol. It is heresy. They are teaching doctrine that is contrary to what the scripture says, contrary to what God commands. That’s heresy.

[@JewandGreek]

@@DangSensei77 Teaching that God prospers people is not heresy. He prospered many people in the Bible. Heresy isn't "that's not what the bible teaches" because we all interpret the Scriptures differently on nonessential issues. That's a juvenile approach to theology and apologetics. The church has formed a consensus on what the essentials are - the deity of Christ, the Resurrection, justification by faith ... etc. There are no creeds that state the only acceptable view on financial prosperity, as it's not a salvific or soteriological issues. When Paul mentions "a different gospel" in Galatians he's talking about justification by faith as opposed to keeping the Law of Moses. He's not talking about whether or not it's God's will to prosper His children financially, or speaking in tongues, or how often we take communion. It's pretty silly to take what Paul said there and try to apply it anywhere and everywhere you disagree with somebody in order to brand them a heretic.

[@DangSensei77]

Jew and Greek Did I say prosperity was the reason for their heresy? Did I say that at all? No. They preach a different gospel period that’s what I said. I don’t care what it’s called, and any other gospel can be chalked up to the law. Twisting the scripture is what I said and adding to it. Which churches like Bethel and countless others excel at. Oh and when you are twisting the scripture to gain prosperity it is still a false gospel. When you teach that the power of the gospel is void without miracles you are teaching a false gospel. When you teach that Jesus gave up his deity, that’s a different gospel. When you don’t tell people they are sinners and they need to repent instead of telling them how much God loves them despite their lack of faith in Christ. When you tell people you hear from God and you have a word from them separate from the scriptures. That’s all false. And that’s not even close to everything these people teach. So is what I said wrong? Huh... no?

[@JewandGreek]

@@DangSensei77 What you said is definitely wrong if you're saying that they preach a different gospel, because they teach justification by faith, the deity of Christ, and the resurrection by grace through faith in Christ alone. Where they are not mainstream is on non-essential doctrinal issues, and we don't consider a different opinion on non-essentials to be heresy. Nabeel Qureshi attended Bethel and researched them and found no hersey, and a mainstream presentation of the gospel. This was a man who had a master's degree in apologetics, so I think he knew what he was talking about.

[@pepehorhae]

it's very dangerous you know, talking about something you aren't really qualified to talk about. i used to do that when i was younger. i am not gonna brag because i had that talent of speaking in my genes since my paternal grandfather and my dad were besides being professionals (chemical engineer and pulmonologist respectively) were also professors and were confident in crowds. i too was confident in the crowd and i was part of this "youth for christ" group and if i wasn't mostly a speaker then i was a sharer and it got so addictive that people believe what you say and are amazed and tell you that "God gave you (me) that talent and we can feel him through you (me)". i honestly hate hypocrites and one day i just thought that what i was doing was very hypocritical since i talked about God and thought to myself that I knew what he wanted or what was on his mind when i'm just a goddamn finite punk who just has the talent to talk but never had the theological training to undergo and understand the scriptures that Rabbis, Priests or Imams had to have a say. Even had a muslim classmate back in law school and i asked her to explain some concepts of Islam to me and i was so humbled when she responded "I am not qualified to talk to you and I don't want to give a wrong meaning to Islam and to Allah, go ask an Imam to teach you not me" and from then on I stopped in talking about God. It is so addictive when you think you're helping because you think you're talking on behalf of God but deep down it's just your ego talking, it's all about the attention and hype and praise of your speaking skills and NOT about God per se and his worship. I'm just lucky i got out earlier when i was younger and have not reached the status of these televangelists who scam people for a living. I feel really guilty that I talked using God's name and have never done so since. As lawyers, i hate it when a person untrained in the legal profession tries to woah me with bullshit moral arguments and opinions when some laws have already been given and applied as an answer to certain questions of facts. So to keep the same logic I wouldn't dare talk about God and all that stuff to others since i am obviously untrained in theology nor am i a scholar of religion. I'd rather listen to the ones trained in the field than confidently talk about it myself even if i have the talent for it.

[@lucylledanyelle8923]

My husband is an attorney and always says “People with little knowledge of the law or so much more dangerous than those with none”. He’s in seminary now and says the same applies to “pastors” and “missionaries”.

[@pepehorhae]

@@lucylledanyelle8923 good to know that there are those that see these things too! take care during the covid to your and your husband madam! ❤️❤️❤️

[@grapentine739]

I just wish God could have showed us. Now years later and in 40. Makes me wonder what else there is to find out. Wait no energy, time. Working 2 jobs with no healthcare and things in this country aren't gettin any easier. Too bad i spent my early years waiting on the rapture. I guess that is the game we play. Waisted life perusing what your pastor and regan tell you or burn in hell until the sun eats the earth millions of years from now. Hard decision. So far it seems my pastor was wrong and so was Reagan. Be nice to have healthcare and my chances of having retirement is disappearing too. because of it too.

[@MTknitter22]

What does Reagan have to do with this, @GAPEntine

[@harveyharveyness8773]

why is Costi showing up everywhere if he's not using the anti-word of faith platform?

[@karacole2304]

What?

[@mauricesmith612]

God never promised health or wealth! Salvation( adoption sin forgiveness etc) read ephesians 1 !

[@teachmetruth3539]

One of the prosperity preachers favorite verse in the Bible is 3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Prosper in the Greek is Euodoō (G2137) compound of G2095=Eu, meaning good or well. And G3598 Hodos meaning “Way” or “road” Prosper is not our word prosper and not our word health. The word prosper is Euodoō , it’s constructed from Eu (well) and hodos (way). Put the word together it’s Euodoō in the original Greek Bible. Hodos is the common Greek word for “way”. It’s the same word Jesus used when he said, “I am the way” in John 14:6. And Eu means “well”. We see that on our word Eulogy. A eulogy is when you stand at a funeral and say well logos (words), well words over someone who died. Jesus said “I am the way (Hodos). He said there was a narrow Hodos (way) and a broad Hodos (way. So what John was wishing for gaius was the well way which is Christ. Also health is in the Greek “hugiano” meaning healthy words, uncorrupt words Prosperity preachers use that to say God is wishing for us to prosper and have money and physical health. It has nothing to do with money and physical health.

[@jus2bme02]

Sum it up, when it's about u not Jesus. Jesus says deny yourself and follow me.

[@airplane800]

The #1 law in economics is : "Humans look for prosperity". Humans moved from where there was no water to where there is water, moved from where they couldn't plant to where they could plant, They perfected their houses to protected from cold or heat. Men always wanted to prosper and to be better. The guys doing this video got better equipment than a lot of people I know. If they will have a baby I bet they want their wives to go to a good hospital and with good doctors. This is all prosperity. We want better. I read that the gifts the Magi gave to Jesus would worth more than 2 million dollars in current money. Jesus father had a descent job. Abraham was rich, Job was rich, David became rich, Joseph became rich, Salomon was rich. The disciples had money and had a financial manager. The truth is that everybody wants to prosper. When I was younger I was always frustrated because people serving the enemy had good equipment, and money to do things. Why people serving the enemy can have the best and we need to serve the Lord with the worst? We have billions of souls to reach out and that cost money. Who will pay for it? The people that prosper. People who criticize people who prosper do for jealousy and not because of zeal for things of the Lord. The only one that don't want the church to prosper is the enemy. The banks are responsible for most evil in the world but I don't see these guys saying anything about banks.

[@rodsaunders3730]

Good points. Also, most of these poverty gospel guys believe in a strong military. Well, the reason we have a strong military is that we have a strong economy and can afford to fund our military machine. The same thing goes for home security. Poor people tend to live in more dangerous areas. When poor people move up financially they move away from the dangerous areas, not because they're materialistic and worldly but because they want to raise their family in a safer area. Money is amoral. It can be used for good or bad. The Bible doesn't teach against prosperity. It teaches against greed and covetousness. Also, do a Google search on John Piper's net worth, or John MacArthur's salary. Da ministry been berry berry good to dem.

[@sabrinabowden-hughes1730]

He was driving a Hummer I highly doubt that he is criticizing the Prosperity Gospel because he is jealous he had everything at his fingertips because he was a Hinn you're missing the point read the book of John and pray about it our focus should not be money and acquiring expensive homes and things it is not condemned it is just should not be the focus point of a preacher's sermon and life

[@airplane800]

@@sabrinabowden-hughes1730 The problem with reading the Bible is that it says something but it describes something else. Let me give you an example. One Bible verse about David says that God looks at the heart, if you turn the page it says that David was handsome. Why the Bible always mention anyone who was handsome or beautiful if what it matters is the heart? Why God made Salomon rich if it was not important. There is only one Bible verse in the Bible saying that love for money is the root of all evil but there are thousands of verses about money about people being blessed financially. It depends which Bible verses you pick you get to different conclusions. Money and possessions are the second most referenced topic in the Bible - money is mentioned more than 800 times - and the message is clear: Nowhere in Scripture is debt viewed in a positive way. There are over 100 Bible verses about prosperity and success. In Genesis 14:20 it appears the concept of paying taxes. Than you see one little Bible verse saying that love for money is the root of all evil and was not even said by Jesus. Jesus was impressed by the lady who gave all the money she had but they don't even mention her name or went to talk to her. Go to any church and you will see that the pastors are always more friends with the people that have money. I worked hard in a church for 12 years volunteering. I never got a visit by one of the pastors but they were always having lunch with the rich guys. I met one of the pastors a few years later and he couldn't even remember my name. Money don't buy happiness but for sure buys respect. Lets say that someone from Costi family is sick and the hospital bill is $300,000 and Benny calls and offers to pay the bill. What do you think Costi will say?

[@Ericadbury]

Unfortunately you're right in saying that many pastors favours the rich...but are these pastors born again ? They are CEOs and the church is simply a company for them. If prosperity should be the model Jesus wouldn't say that is easier for a camel to pass through the eye if a needle than it is for a rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Zaccheus first urge after meeting Jesus was to sort his financial life. It cannot be right to be born again and desire the material blessings over spiritual blessings. Yes, we enjoy good things but ultimately we are exhorted to trust for our needs and this is what is guaranteed (food and clothes).

[@petert9660]

@@rodsaunders3730 exactly,its like communists.theyre against prosperity for the common people but they themselves the leaders are prosperous.certain chinn is not living on poverty road

[@Lili-Benovent]

Dmboola is a native African pygmy from the region now called the Republic of Congo, the year is 200BC. Dmboola is married according to native culture and tradition and has a family. Occasionally he has lustful thoughts about his neighbors young wife but does not progress those feelings into actions because of tribal taboos and laws, the tribe has their own Gods and Demons After his death Dmboola is brought up before a Middle Eastern God who tells him he must burn in Hell and be tortured for eternity for breaking a commandment he has never heard of, written by a God he has never heard of and who tells him that he loves him, He is a little confused.

[@hardyhofer5160]

YES so we should listen to preachers who teach its more Godly to be just getting bye and barely paying bills, come on people. two extremes are never the truth.

[@GemsOfGrace]

Hardy Hofer I don’t think the money is the issue here.

[@sabrinabowden-hughes1730]

It is setting your goal on money and attaining things more than on the love of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ

[@gershom5522]

Thank you👍　 The gospel → Christ died for our sins. He was buried. He was raised on the third day. He appeared to the apostles.　１ Corinthians １５：１－５ Isaiah ５３　 Anyone is saved just by believing in the gospel.　 Romans １：１６　Ephesians ２：８－９

[@ryanehlis426]

Love pastor Benny Hinn, he is a true spiritual father.

[@fuzbeatboxern5714]

"Father"

[@duncescotus2342]

Ok Calvinists: God is MORE than sovereign. He is super-sovereign. He is OMNIPOTENT. But let's not stop there; He is also TRIUNE, and each person mutually submitted in deference, delegation, and/or obedience to the others.

[@shineandre]

He says, the blessings of Abraham have come upon the Gentiles. The more you hate the prosperity gospel the more you despise scripture promises like in the house of the righteous there are wealth and treasures. If only John did not say, I wish that you prosper, and be in good health, even as your soul prospers. Is it money or the love of money that is the root of all evil? Love not the world or the things in the world, what things, like cars, jewels, name brand clothing, etc yet how many of you who have two jackets or two pairs of shoes would give your brother or your sister one pair? Rightly Jesus said, if you going to judge the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the log out of your own eyes.

[@kellydunn7113]

2 Timothy 2:15 (read it) "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth"

[@rosemarietolentino3218]

Read your Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you.

[@ryanehlis426]

The Gospel is prosperity

[@getore100]

It is true, Jesus appears to have only healed that person by the pool. But also, I don't see in scripture where He refused to heal anyone who asked him to be healed. He is Jehovah Raffa. He wants to heal but just like salvation, He is not going to force himself on anyone. That is why in His hometown, He could only heal a few. In regards to Sovereignty, Psalm 115:15..The heavens belong to the Lord, but the earth was given to men. Also Genesis 1:26..We have authority. He is sovereign from the standpoint that He is the ultimate authority but He will not violate His own Word and take back the authority He himself gave us. And yes, in order to get healed, someone needs to have faith. Not necessarily the person who is sick. Obviously Lazarus didn't have Faith. You have to have some sort of level of belief to even go to Him and ask Him.

[@abruisedreed8847]

The challenge, it appears, is the inability to distinguish between the free will of man and the sovereignty of God. Its God's sovereign will that all men be saved (2 Peter 3:9) yet not all men are saved. They must exercise faith to be saved. Generally, it seems that those who heavily emphasize the sovereignty of God in healing, for example, completely ignore the many texts where Jesus credits the faith of the person who was healed as the reason for their healing. *YOUR* FAITH HAS MADE YOU WHOLE. - Luke 17:19, Matthew 9:22, Luke 7:50 Luke 18:42, etc. God acting sovereignly in John 5 is not an argument against the involvement of faith in healing; it simply adds nuance to the overall picture of God's means of healing. Both are true; God acts sovereignly and he acts in response to faith. The follow-up question is: How many examples do we have of God acting sovereignly through Jesus (or, in general) to heal as opposed to faith being identified as the basis for healing?

[@MinLeeMajors]

GOD HEALS ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL...and sometimes HE includes our faith and sometimes HE doesn't.... did Lazarus have Faith?.... Ofcourse not... Faith is a gift from GOD so we can't boast in ANYTHING except GOD HIMSELF...... GOD CHOOSES to MERCY whom HE CHOOSES to mercy... before either one of them had done anything...GOD CHOSE Jacob and not Esau... if GOD doesn't open a man's eyes...he wont see!!

[@Charles.Wright]

I'm also wondering about that "sovereign" healing in John 5. At first, the man doesn't know who healed him (or was it that he couldn't point to Jesus to identify him, because he had left for a while). But then he tells the leaders that it was Jesus. What isn't clear is if he actually said, "it was Jesus" - implying that there was either a conversation then, or at an earlier time, when Jesus told him His name. Or did he just walk up to them and point over at Jesus? Seems more likely. But to conclude that he never met Jesus or saw him before or talked to him etc, just to say that this was a one way healing street? Seems a bit of a stretch.

[@michaelolivero2504]

People are still not preaching Jesus according to the mystery .rom16:25 ) every body n there mom thinks they are spiritual isreal some way or another either tithing water baptism repentance from sin lordship salvation tounge talking presumptuous prophecy that never comes to pass ,mixing the red letter gospels of the kingdom earthly Jesus instead of the ressurected Jesus gospel of grace according to Paul .rom 16:25 to him who has the power to stablished you according to my gospel the preaching of Jesus according to the mystery of the fellowship eph3:9 (this our commission not math 28). Mixing the two has a devastating effect the devil knows it.do you ?

[@MyLovelyPaperie]

Myles Munroe isn’t a prosperity teacher

[@meplife7313]

he's a word of faith preacher for sure. This man claims we have to give God permission to do anything because God has no power and isn't sovereign without our permission apparently. He clearly thinks God is weaker than us.

[@karacole2304]

@@meplife7313 I cannot believe that people still can't see through the false teachers they esteem so highly. Lord, wake us up!

[@mandersdaro8136]

Can I ask this...is Costi a Calvinist? If so, he left one false gospel for another.

[@rosemcguinn5301]

Not everything in Calvinism is incorrect. Let's not be too general here.

[@mandersdaro8136]

@@rosemcguinn5301 not everything in the prosperity gospel is wrong either.

[@rosemcguinn5301]

@@mandersdaro8136 I've yet to find a single portion of the WofF/PG that isn't either completely in the wrong or else tainted. And i've been studying what it's about for several years now. If anything, the movement has become far worse than I'd ever dreamed it would be.

[@jordantsak7683]

@@mandersdaro8136 of course, of course, it isn't... if you put aside the theological fact that it is a big heresy. Go to lutheranism to find out why the Reformation happened in first place and then continue to say your nonsense.

[@emjay_mcri]

@@mandersdaro8136 by definition the prosperity gospel has everything wrong with it since it's about using the gospel for prosperity.

[@atestring1007]

I don't think Costi Hinn buys his clothes at a garage sale!

[@sabrinabowden-hughes1730]

Tosti has made a big choice to step out and confront the truth of the Prosperity Gospel which is basically turning his back on his uncle and his teachings he's a young believer but he knows the Bible now and he is teaching the truth trying to warn others not to get caught up in the Prosperity Gospel

[@petert9660]

amen all theyre doing is virtue signaling

[@thelordsdayministry2026]

If you want to understand the Trinity go to The Lord's Day Ministry. God gave me a revelation to perfectly explain it.

[@jordantsak7683]

I rejoice you left your former heresies but...f you want sound, orthodox, genuinely evangelical (gospel centered) theology go to find it in the lutheran confessions. Stop just trying to understand by your own, outside of everything the Church teaches.

[@Charles.Wright]

Uhhh I'll just stick with the Bible, thanks

[@Zerushaddai]

@@Charles.Wright I just recently decided to do that.

[@tjrizzo1619]

Easy. If someone is calling themself a prophet that speaks gibberish and claims they could heal the sick. Oh and thinks God is running a casino.

[@geezzerboy]

This fool does not live on the planet I live on, nor in the same reality.