Therapist Reacts to KNIVES OUT

[@kathrynvincent1563]

Ryan Johnson: Put Chris Evans in a sweater and everyone will believe he’s a good guy hee hee Us: You’re goddamn right

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

So, so true.

[@Treegona]

That was part of the early movie's appeal, to me. First time: I saw a guy who was escaping from a sinking ship (made of money). Who was really curious about how this car crash was gonna go, and maybe help out this girl who was close to his granddad. Part of that interpretation was that I strongly associate Chris Evans with Captain America. He's cap. He must be a good guy (under all this lovable ahole-ness).

[@hibikiotonokojishslvocalis7550]

I AM SO MAD THAT I READ THE BOTTOM TEXT IN THE WALTER WHITE VOICE- W H Y -

[@reniefuwa]

Chris Evans: *is the bad guy* Us: shocked Pikachu face

[@SW23252]

The very definition of "Had us in the first half, not gonna lie."

[@tiyenin]

11:15 Ransom didn't lose his cool with his uncle yelling in his face because of dramatic irony: the entire room was high-and-mightying him over being cut from the will. However, prior to his death, Harlan told Ransom that EVERYONE was cut from the will. He was delighting in anticipation of the eventual totality of them losing their minds!

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Haven't seen the movie, but I was kinda getting that vibe. All these people self-righteously telling him this might be the best thing to happen to him, and he's just giggling in his sleeve.

[@gratscott5632]

@@eyesofthecervino3366 watch it its one of the best I've ever seen

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

my favourite part of all of that when Ransom uses the exact same line they said to him during that same scene back at the rest of his family while escaping with Marta in his car

[@swagwanhyung8413]

Yeah that scene was the best!! He only came to the house just to set the trap (him being cut out of the will) and see the family arguing & “comforting” him, just so they could dig a deeper hole. It was one of the funniest (and satisfying) scene 😅🤣

[@allature]

Precisely. He was just waiting for that other delicous shoe to drop. The way he C A C K L E D on the way out? He was savouring every second of it.

[@Hello_Gorgeous]

"Son." "Father." I loved this scene, Chris was amazing.

[@davidwoodward9528]

Let's give Don Johnson and Jamie Lee Curtis their due... in fact there are no weak links in this cast.

[@caylyreah3775]

ngl I do that with my dad-

[@Loaderdani]

Yes. And his mouth was soo dry by the end of filming that scene. Eating nothing but those little brown biscuits all day long... (Shudders)

[@MerijnH]

Almost like the "Harry?!" "SIR!" scene in Harry Potter and the Halfblood prince haha

[@3monthbender]

I love the look on his face when he says, "We gotta do this more often."

[@santos8468]

I like that it's an outsider (Blanc) who treats Nana like a human being. He doesn't talk down to her like almost everybody else, but instead sits in front of her to have a conversation. More importantly, he offers condolences for the loss of her son, a fact that no one else seems to consider.

[@mrcritical6751]

Because everyone else just thinks “eh she’s too senile to even care”

[@skullsaintdead]

@@mrcritical6751 Which is understandable if thats all you've been told (e.g. I was told to never ask my grandad about the war because it was too traumatic). Plus, its not like the granny is very receptive to dialogue, its be almost mean to talk to her & expect an answer.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@skullsaintdead thing is she shows small hints to being more receptive than she lets on. Stuff like saying “Ransom, are you leaving?” during the party or laughing when she knows her asshole grandkids are getting screwed over. Anybody who spends enough time with her would likely pick up on small things and realise “yeah I think Nana is faking it”

[@skullsaintdead]

@@mrcritical6751 Maybe but I also know it can be stressful for people who are introverted and/or suffering with language issues (or perhaps dementia) to engage freely and openly in dialogue. I wouldn't push it, personally. I'd respect that she doesn't want to speak and/or tell her if she wants to talk, I'm always there. Again, just from my own family, we have an uncle who always wants to talk constantly and it exhausts us all, especially our more elderly family members (like 80-90 years old). They're forced into talking just to be nice and courteous to this dude. We actively try and arrange meet ups when he's away. I actually think he talks because he's anxious but some people recon he just likes the sound of his own voice.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@skullsaintdead I feel like her actions are more from her just being ashamed of her family so she pretends to be senile so she doesn’t have to interact. That way she can just chill in a nice chair and ignore her terrible family, only proper interaction we see is when Walt keeps asking her “do you want something to eat?” over and over again

[@phoenixjklin]

In a strange way Chris Evans' character is the most tolerable person to be around from that family. Because at least he is honest and direct about what a complete ass he is.

[@fishraposo7192]

That's the beauty of owning up to being an asshole

[@possums154]

And that's the beauty of his character

[@princessazulaofthefirenati5870]

Sounds a lot like brother

[@zigzaghyena]

Except the murder part, he did lie about that.

[@possums154]

@@zigzaghyena Yeah, except for the murder part

[@steampunkrose1010]

The fact that Ransom knew all along that his family and himself were not getting shit and still played the long game to have that glorious moment of their shock and horror...he's the pettiest bastard in the room and I love it.

[@selonianth]

Honestly, I just adore his fucking reaction to them tbh. Because they *deserve* the fuck you.

[@stephanies3246]

I don’t think it’s petty. This is actually something I would do. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Besides, the family looked like they were really enjoying their humble pie.

[@vailingbow1068]

If they didn't make Marta like the focus, I wouldn't have minded for him to win. But he must have brains to come up with such an elaborate plan.

[@alicehalvardsson3197]

I’d do the exact same thing and just wait for the glorious moment, I’m also petty lmao

[@ivanaradojevic7015]

I read that "prettiest" and I thought "ah, yes, he is" 😄

[@catdragon2584]

“Nice is about appearances, kind is about what’s right.” THANK YOU! I hear people all the time dismissing terrible behavior because “he’s so nice!” and it drives me NUTS.

[@amcanerovna4397]

I gasped so loudly at this. "Nice guys" immediately came to mind, and this one sentence explains it perfectly

[@catdragon2584]

@@amcanerovna4397 absolutely!

[@micahwilliams1332]

A lesson Into the Woods taught. The evil witch confronted some characters but saying they were not good of bad but just nice. They wanted to do the “nice” thing because it seemed socially right.

[@jancerny8109]

A huge chunk of "what's right" is social conformity and keeping up appearances. Nice and kind can be genuinely hard to distinguish.

[@byrnetdown6076]

@@jancerny8109 idk I'd say what's right has a LOT more to do with the outcome and whether or not everyone involved comes out on the other side happy and/or better off than before 🤷🏻‍♀️ i recently had to house up a homeless friend but i also had to lie to my dad who owns the house in order to do that which sounds bad but it was s o cold that the girl i housed up wouldve died if i hadn't and so even though the socially acceptable thing to do was to ask my dad and deal with his reaction the genuinely kind thing to do was to put my friend first because her life is much more important than being socially acceptable or 'nice'

[@octo448]

I loved the details in the subtle racism and classism tossed at Marta throughout the entire film. People not ever actually knowing where her family is from, the assumptions about her and her life and her values, the lack of seeing her as a human being outside of her role in the house, all of it.

[@audreyl2652]

and when richard subtly handed his dirty bowl to marta, such a small yet clear action that showed he still sees her as inferior despite his claims otherwise

[@garancebarbier7381]

The fact that she gets blackmailed with "we will send your family back home" is also just them using her status of descendant of migrant to their advantage. The fact that it is the "sjw girl" doing it is telling... This makes the last scene all the more satisfaying, when she looks down on them from her balcony as they leave what is now her house, sipping from the mug that belonged to their relative saying "my house my rules" :^)

[@travisstoll3582]

Subtle is subjective. Everything you described as subtle screamed at me during the film.

[@Kagomai15]

@@travisstoll3582 Can it be subtle and screamed at the same time? Because they screamed at me, but I also found them subtle...? I don't know, but I do agree with you that subtlety is subjective.

[@travisstoll3582]

@@Kagomai15 I don't know. You have given me something to think about. For me, none of it was subtle, but maybe I can watch another film and see if this applies. Thanks for the reply.

[@hleebeg]

I think it's interesting that they talk down to her, not just from a platform of class but intelligence, eventhough she's a highly educated medical professional 😂

[@sulaf604]

Oh my god, I JUST REALIZED THAT!! Those racist little shits

[@atticusdhdbbdbd4373]

That's it. Because she is poor they can't fathom the fact that she can be competent or even smarter than them

[@chastitymarks2185]

@Atticus Dhdbbdbd Her being poor might be a factor but being a nurse myself, I can also say, that it is sadly the way many of us are treated like. No matter how highly educated we might be, many people still see us as professional arsewipes with hardly any education or social class.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@chastitymarks2185 also didn’t help that The Thromby’s essentially saw her as an extra maid and not a medical professional

[@cierrad1]

Said every teacher and nurse ever.

[@vdelegea]

“Nice is about appearances, kind is about what’s right” Well that explains a lot of “nice guys”

[@KirkMoss]

100%. The flip side of the same coin, equally accurate yet heartbreaking, is the tragedy of all the people who seek “Nice” partners over Kind partners and then experience what happens when the appearance is no longer needed, or worth the partner’s time and effort.

[@bast713]

YES

[@JeusAlprime108]

sometimes being nice doesn't mean it is a benevolent act, whereas sometimes being kind might seem a bit offensive when they have to be brutally honest for your sake.

[@Row_of_E]

Well I've got some good news for you…

[@swatisaini6447]

@@KirkMoss but how to find out if someone is genuinely kind or just pretending to be nice?

[@Kaytori]

My parents spoiled all of us but my sister is the one who took it best, when she was spoiled instead of saying 'this is how i should always be treated' she came to the conclusion that 'this is how she should treat others', she's very generous

[@NotABot-px7ky]

Your sister sounds like a fantastic person

[@palettedpersona]

I think that’s the best way to take being spoiled. Don’t let it make you entitled but instead generous and kind (but as always, there’s wisdom in moderation).

[@bubbletea6617]

one of the angle's in this world

[@qweadd6987]

I look at being spoiled as one of the *worst* things to me.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

@@qweadd6987 It kinda is. It stifles your ability to grow as a person -- the same as being abused and gaslit -- but it does so in a way that makes you crave and depend on the abuse.

[@annabelcunningham2848]

Spoiler Alert I'm still so happy that Chris Evans wasn't afraid of being a bad guy

[@gozerthegozarian9500]

He looked like he had THE MOST FUN playing Ransom thb ...he's like the male Jeri Ryan: the fact that they're blond, tall and infeasibly gorgeous distracts many viewers from their frankly astounding acting skills...

[@erin8050]

He was reveling in it.

[@LiaVinicius]

i know wverybody tries to forget fantastic 4 movies, But he was great in them

[@gozerthegozarian9500]

@@LiaVinicius Yeah, he absolutely nailed Johnny Storm!

[@Klaital1]

It's not the first time he is playing bad guy, he did that in Scott Pilgrim vs the World already many years back.

[@Dontreply39573]

I feel like my favorite part is so often overlooked. When Cris Evan tells his family "I think this is the best thing that could have ever happened to you" right after his family said the same thing to him. That was comedy gold, loved the call back.

[@crazypeopleonsunday7864]

And nobody in his family understood what he meant, either! Prima!

[@sakuranovaryan9261]

I know they talk about how Chris Evans character has no guilt and he's ok with being a bad person. But I think he know he's crap but he's honest about it to himself cause he see what happens if ur not in his family. This what I did as well subconsciously. It's not that I'm a good person honestly I just do the opposite of everything my family does. It's a natural reaction kids growing up in high conflict families I think.

[@sbraypaynt]

I think it’s overlooked because it’s an extremely obvious callback.

[@Dontreply39573]

@@sbraypaynt Probably, but sometimes the simpliest things are the best.

[@Brione30]

“It’s not a conversation, it’s two soliloquies over the top of each other.” That is the most poetic description of stubborn arguments that I have ever heard.

[@heidihansen1080]

I know Ransom was just awful, but I do admit that I cackled when he threw that line right back in their faces about it being good for them.

[@wordforger]

Major difference between him and the rest of them is he has absolutely no illusions about himself while the others completely lack self-awareness.

[@kylerivera3470]

I would much rather spend time with an asshole who knows they are an asshole than an asshole who thinks they're a good person.

[@ashrog82]

Chris's reputation definitely plays with our expectations for his character. Even though he is introduced as a total jerk, we reevaluate him as soon as he displays any redeeming qualities. Imagine if this part was played by an actor known for playing evil or unhinged characters, Ralph Fiennes for example. As soon as he showed any compassion or caring, we would instead think "he's up to something".

[@SW23252]

I'm absolutely convinced this played a part in the casting decision.

[@erengarcia5970]

That is such a smart observation!

[@emyk4629]

they did a similar thing with Zac Efron in extremely wicked, shockingly evil & vile and it's honestly such a smart move

[@andimoz]

@@emyk4629 not sure that’s all that comparable since ted bundy was a real person who everyone knows to be a serial killer so whether or not he came off as likable/charming was kinda beside the point since we all know he was a shitty guy doing awful things

[@emyk4629]

yes that's absolutely right, I just mean it was similar in the way that it helped understand the character of his gf better? Like she knows he did those horrible things but just *hopes* it's not true and so does the viewer (kinda).

[@jay-fr4ds]

Ironically enough, this movie came out right after my great aunt's passing and it had almost the same exact issue going on with the will. My great aunt was significantly closer to lifelong friends who took care of her rather than her family, so of course all of her assets went to her closest friend according to the will. The family would not stop debating about who should have the money and how she must have made a mistake. I, the youngest, had to actually tell my aunts and grandparents to knock off the selfish behavior and to this day I can't understand how they behaved that way. Watching this movie right after that happened was so shocking to my parents and I.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

I'm sure that was upsetting, but from the outside, it's kind of hilarious. One of the reasons we love this movie so much, under the comedy and the intrigue, it's VERY MUCH human nature.

[@alejandraayala8815]

Dude! There's a similar situation in my family and what drives me nuts is seeing all this grown ass people who grew up toghether and have many peaceful and happy memories of the childhood they shared, tear apart at each other like wild coyotes just for a few thousand dollars. Makes me fearful of where my generation (in the family) is going to end up in a few decades, like, we can never know until the worst has happened and everyone shows their true intentions.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

@@alejandraayala8815 Yeah, if it happens "Fuck it, take what was promised to me and go take a long walk off the short pier"

[@natl5692]

The fact that in America the will just goes is crazy and there is no regulation on it, it's wow

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

@@natl5692 What? The will has as much regulation as it needs.

[@iout]

As Red from OSP said, the biggest twist in the entire movie is that at the end of it, it turns out everyone is exactly who you thought they were at the beginning.

[@Excelsior1937]

What video was that from?

[@iout]

@@Excelsior1937 none. It’s from her Twitter.

[@afcreative22]

Love finding mentions of my other favorite creators in random videos

[@AzureKnight2]

Which I think doesn't really count as a twist if you're never really sold that they're different from initial impressions. Like, the twist is probably more that the movie tries to make you think it's clever, but then turns out to be really dumb in the end. Kind of a shame when at their cores, the Ace Ventura movies have better plots and mysteries. I love OSP, and most of their stuff is fantastic, but occasionally they really miss the mark.

[@carolinaa.4407]

@@AzureKnight2 it's funny how one person thinks that because THEY don't find something funny, clever, etc. Then they state their opinion as a "fact". It is not. The movie is not funny, smart or whatever FOR YOU. And your opinion is just that, an opinion not a fact. And most importantly movies and anything art is subjective, meaning there're not really correct answers because is all about taste.

[@jameswest6232]

Chris Evans and his casting are so meta in this film. Since we all just think "that's Captain America", we're willing to believe that the blatant jerk Ransom is might actually turn out to be a decent guy. At the same time, he's weirdly the most honest person in the Thrombey family; he doesn't bother with lip service, knows how much of a rotten jerk he is, and is _HAPPY_ to point out that the rest of the family is no better.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

It's also that people apparently forgot all his previous roles where he played a bad guy, or a morally grey character, or a jerk, or an arrogant a-hole.

[@Robynhoodlum]

@@AnnekeOosterinkyes, but many of his previous asshole characters turned out to secretly have a soft spot or did the moral thing in the end and “grew up”. This is the first time his character had NO redeeming qualities.

[@spandanav22]

One thing I haven't heard anybody mention is when Jamie Lee Curtis starts yelling at Marta after the will is announced, Benoit Blanc immediately starts backing up and places himself before Marta in a protective position. I find that gesture extremely adorable.

[@Proximityillusions]

But then he pretty much steps aside and let’s the family go after her on her way outside to the car. That was what I found odd.

[@stephonix616]

Such a great movie. Perfect breakdown. Side note* Michael Shannon yelling “I’m not eating one iota of s**t” is maybe one of my favourite moments. The fact that it almost happens in the background just makes it better.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Never noticed that. Gold!

[@moviesinminutes4057]

I’m soooo glad that moment is gold for other people because mannn the laughs it gave me.

[@GeoKnowLearning]

Seriously the best line, and i believe I heard it was a moment of improv! I laugh every time

[@DerkMiester]

Same!! No one (apart from my family) even uses the word iota, so to hear it in such a comical way was a gem among gems!

[@dietotaku]

i didn't hear that line, lol that's so... quintessentially the kind of guy who takes everything super seriously and super literally. sort of like shooter saying "i eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast" and happy gilmore saying "you eat pieces of shit for breakfast?"

[@paulasalazar2093]

"craving validation by winning the argument" wow i did not know people could feel validated by that also i feel attacked

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Me too. Me too. (Alan here). Do we BOTH need therapy!?

[@harmonicpies]

I wouldn’t know because I’m always right. 😉

[@abdimojo8794]

@@harmonicpies literally my response😜

[@NoelleMar]

@@CinemaTherapyShow actually is this one reason people who are gaslighted a lot might argue a lot? Asking for a friend.

[@msk-qp6fn]

​@@NoelleMar i imagine so, i wouldnt say im gaslit, but i have had crucial moments where my arguements were deemed irrelevant and useless, so i became more arguementative with my mom compared to my dad even though technically my dad is more problematic due to his neglect, manipulation, alcoholism + (edit after a year) i have come to the conclusion that my dad is full on sociopathic and why my mom prevented me from having sensitive conversations with my dad when I was a little younger

[@morrissmith5338]

It looks like the fam was basically putting Ransom up on a pedestal and saying "hey, I can at least be better than this dirtbag, right?" And that makes it even funnier to watch Ransom's delight throughout the scene when they start turning on Marta and essentially show they're no better than him.

[@suppotato1235]

Ransom is the scapegoat who gets blamed for all of the family’s problems.

[@ruthv1762]

I love how they are all "you're part of the family" with Marta until she has all the money, I love how they portrayed racism and clasism, I really liked the movie

[@maskedmallard537]

They all insisted she was part of the family while also telling her they _wanted_ her to come to the funeral *but* so-and-so was against it so... _French shrug_

[@mrcritical6751]

@@maskedmallard537 they all used the same “I wanted you at the funeral but I was outvoted” lie, which for one is just terrible to vote if Harlan’s only real friend could come and secondly they all use it until it’s clear there was no vote and they just decided to keep her out

[@arilizart9375]

Couldn’t have said it better, it’s all about love until they’re put on (how they see it) the “lower end” of the roster

[@lstarsabb]

I'm so glad that Alan pointed out that Harlan was the one that caused this dysfunction in his family. He spoiled his kids rotten with money and materialistic things and then treated them like shit to make them gravel for any crumbs of affection and which made his kids not only spoil their kids with superficial things but with affection too, so they turn out like Ranson. I'm glad Johnathan pointed out throwing money around doesn't make you a good parent if you not actually teaching them them right from wrong. At first i felt bad for Harlan's daughter because the daughter did work hard and ended up with a cheating husband and a son that plot to kill her father, but then i realized she had to success she did because of her dad, yes she was determined, but she was the type that probably look down on other people and called them lazy for not being on her level. She is the Karen of the group. But I did feel bad for Meg because she was pressured by her family to ask Martia to give them the inherits. You can tell she really didn't want to do that.

[@_scriblr_1010]

I agree with everything else you said except for Meg. I think she's supposed to be the nicest when you first meet her, but by the end you learn that she told the entire family that Marta's mom was undocumented. She wants to keep that inheritance as much as the other members of her family, but she's two faced and will only really stick up for you when it makes her look good.

[@lstarsabb]

@@_scriblr_1010 yeah she could he that kind of friend, but sees how she wasn't afraid to call out her cousins I don't think so. When she made that call you can tell her family begged and put that on her to do it. If she called her by herself I would go that brought, but the fact that her family was dying her down when she made that call and she was struggling to get it out I do feel like she was in a awkward situation. There are people that grow up in messed up families that aren't as terrible as their families but it hard not get sucked into there actions.

[@RainAngel111]

To be honest I don't really feel sorry for Meg. Ransom is spot on when he asks her how her SJW degree is going. She made being "woke" her whole personality, made an effort to show Marta that she "isn't like the rest of them" but when it actually cost her something? She shows her true character. If she really was Marta's friend she would be defending her and not pressuring her to give up the money.

[@lissy2533]

I feel like Meg built her personality around being different from her family members. I understand why she'd be really upset bc she thought that without the inheritance, she would have to drop out of college but realistically, no one in the family needs the money to survive - they're all going to be perfectly fine without it. Martha made it clear that she was never going to let Meg drop out. All the Thrombey's really needed to do was talk to Martha about any financial woes (I can't remember exactly but I thought Meg's mother had spiralled herself into debt?) and she would have helped them. All Meg really needed to do if the phone call was made purely out of familial pressure was to give Martha a second call or even a message explaining the situation her family had forced her into. Instead, they insisted for the entire fortune back - not just the house since it's kind of more understandable that they don't want to lose their childhood home (even though I thought all of them had second properties to their own names?) - they wanted *everything* because they couldn't stand the change in power balance when Martha is suddenly holding all the wealth they'd just assumed they were entitled to

[@mega11ee77]

I think one important thing to remember is that her mum was stealing her college course funds. Meg most likely saw getting the inheritance as a way to help herself financially, which makes her more reasonable or more deplorable depending on how you look at it.

[@Soleanthia]

Your Inside Out vid popped up on my feed and now I'm hooked. This is so interesting and informative.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@joseybanks386]

It also just showed up on mine and I'm hooked. I even suggested this channel to my friends 😂an one said she loved it

[@chiarakia386]

Exactly the same... I'm binging the channel

[@brittbereading3450]

Same! Now I am binging all the vids xD

[@mariamabdelmoeti6879]

I’ve been binging it since yesterday 😂

[@fox-fluffl9002]

Evans actually came up with the line 'eat sh*t' because he knew someone who used to say "Eat my sh*t" and both he and the director liked it so they replaced his line with it. Originally it was F-off, but that many f-bombs would've sent the rating to R and that's not what Ryan Johnson wanted.

[@ESCL2004]

And the "eat shit" line seems to match his character more too. "F off" " makes it seem like he cares, which he doesn't

[@anival9576]

How are f-bombs worse than sh*t? That seems like an arbitrary distinction.

[@fox-fluffl9002]

@@anival9576 Well, if you think about it the f-bomb can easily be associated in a variety of ways with sexual acts, while s*it is just another word for poop. If I had the choice of which word Is rather not expose a child to before a certain point, it’s the f-bomb

[@anival9576]

@@fox-fluffl9002 That makes sense.

[@mrsbethaniesmith]

I heard that that entire part was improv by all the characters!

[@savvyhowe1646]

Knives out is one of my favorite movies aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Excellent taste!

[@cecyconcdecoco3818]

I just watched it and i loved it

[@savvyhowe1646]

@@cniknik9863 Ikr, I don't get into much mystery stuff because it's just too convoluted for me to understand and the directors just take it way too seriously but this movie was surprisingly easy for me to follow and it had the perfect comedic element for my taste

[@rachelmclaughlin1491]

My favourite movie in a long time

[@HakimSpokenLewis]

I wish this episode was longer cause as they kinda hint at throughout the film: Harlin is not only responsible for his family being jerks. He trained them to be winners. He trained them to be jerks. Harlin treated all of his life like a mystery novel that could be won or lost. This translated into the fact that he literally chose to kill himself in order to turn his death into a whodunnit and transfers into how he raised his family and the fact that literally all of them have defined themselves as winners in one sense or another. This need to win is what brings literally all of them together against Marta once the deed is read because they're in crisis and revert back to the basic need to win that Harlin has instilled in them. The liberal and the "young Nazi child" come together. The centrist and the beauty guru come together. The family that hates Ransom and Ransom align themselves, to a certain point, since his goal is the same as there's: to win. All their labels and morals fall away and they become the people that Harlin raised them to be. But in the end Marta wins because she wasn't trying to win. She saw her family in danger and people in pain and just tried to do what she thought was best, regardless of what happens to her.

[@alicialexists]

That detail about good parenting being about showing love and respect really hit home for me. Love isn't enough unless it is paired with respect. Children need to be treated like human beings, nothing less.

[@veramae4098]

People need to remember they're raising adults.

[@_seejane_]

Their whole talk about the difference between being kind and nice has me questioning my whole identity and personality

[@DeathnoteBB]

Well, are you nice so people think you’re nice or are you nice because it feels like it’s the right choice? (Granted I guess one could think it’s the right choice just for a better public image... shit’s complicated)

[@leiajiang7877]

I'm pretty nice but i don't know if I'm kind and i don't really wann find out.

[@marynraven]

Just always strive to be kind. (Super easy. Barely an inconvenience!)

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@marynraven I know that reference (Pitch Meeting!) but it actually isn’t, that’s the whole point

[@somebodycooliguess1597]

Well, for what it's worth, I think everyone in this thread *wants* to be a kinder person, which must count for something

[@stephsviolin]

I think my favorite part of the movie is showing how even the "good" family member, Meg, turns on Marta, and how quickly and brutally she does. Her mask comes off in an instant when she's no longer in a position of power.

[@kevinbaird6705]

I think the only "genuinely" good thing Meg did was defending Marta from being called "the help" by the cops early on. There wasn't a clear benefit to Meg herself for doing so, except perhaps virtue signalling. It's similar to Walt's offer of money to Marta when he thought he would be so empowered. Of course, they're both still mostly horrible.

[@micah1848]

wasn't meg manipulated into calling marta? i seem to remember that in that scene there was the whole family behind her and she looked genuinely distraught

[@EdslilNeko]

@@micah1848 It's a little ambiguous. Meg finds out that she might lose the money that's been paying for her tuition and this obviously really upsets her. Her mother and the rest of the family are definitely laying on the pressure, and she seems unhappy with herself for being selfish, but she definitely knew what she was doing when she called Marta and when she told the rest about Marta's mother's status as an illegal immigrant. The fact that she knew that and the rest of the family didn't, and the fact that Marta was quick to reassure her that she would still pay for her schooling, leads me to believe that the bond between her and Marta was mostly genuine. She seemed to regret what she did and she did apologize, but that doesn't really make up for what she did so... yeah. Meg is a mixed bag.

[@melodytheatre2887]

@@micah1848 I think there was definitely a little bit of manipulation, or at least STRONG pressure there. The family has been shown to be incredibly manipulative numerous times, and Meg expressed the belief prior that she genuinely thought Marta should keep the money. With both the realization that she’d had to drop out of school and the immense amount of pressure and borderline manipulation from her family, this is what drove her to make the phone call. This is kinda further supported by the fact that she did look genuinely guilty and upset with herself afterwards

[@zopiranha3871]

@@melodytheatre2887 But they didnt know about Martha's secret with her mother. That was Meg's choice to disclose that once she realized her situation. What the family wanted from Meg was to somehow talk to her because they're close. I think that the moment Martha forgiven Meg is not really intended to show Meg's redeeming qualities, but how forgiving Martha is to all of these people who wronged her.

[@angrywizard3199]

I love that Marta is quite possibly the only truly "good" person here, and that's evident in her being chosen by Benoit as an "assistant", in her willingness to help Fran at the cost of her own freedom, and Harlan likely choosing to cut the family out of his will not just because Marta asked him to, but also because how they treated her helped open his eyes to the damage he had done.

[@ameennasar2583]

Benoit is a great observer, eventhough he acts clumsy. He is also a great judge of character(more than the dogs). But believe me, any average investigator would chose a person who can't lie without puking as an assistant/guide

[@sandrols7]

"Nice is about appearances, kind is about what's right" "Nice doesn't cost you anything" Well, this works wonderfully to debunk the 'nice guy'

[@harmonicpies]

10:03 made me laugh, because my mom’s response to my complaints was always “It’s not my job to make you happy, it’s to turn you into a functioning, contributing member of society”

[@KD-ou2np]

I like the version, I'm not here to make you happy in the short term, but to give you the tools to be happy in the long term.

[@JeusAlprime108]

However parents usually failed miserably in regard to this job, and they would immediately denied this responsibility once you failed to be a functioning, contributing member of society.

[@alexjohnson2527]

I have cousins who grew up dirt poor, and cousins who grew up in 7-figure households. The dirt poor cousins are by far more empathetic and well-adjusted to adulthood. Out of my 'filthy rich' cousins, only the middle children came out okay. The oldest and youngest have stolen from other family members, pretend to be nice to your face when they talk shit the second your back is turned, still rely on daddy's money to pay for their college, dorm, and parties every weekend, and still tried their best to stay on the 'kids' Christmas list instead of moving up to the adult list throughout college because it meant more presents for them whenever the family met up (where, by contrast, us poor folk tried to get on the adult Christmas list as soon as we got a high school job). So yes, spoiling your kids does them no favors in the long run.

[@marillaz4582]

And I have the opposite experience. My seven and eight figure aunts and their kids are well balanced, open minded, empathetic, and have healthy relationships. The ones who grew up in abject poverty are manipulative, racist, petty, and selfish. I also have poor relatives who are kind and lovely. And a rich uncle who sued his own mother for the rights to her house. It has a lot to do with how money is handled, how healthy the family dynamics are, what friends they had growing up, genetics, availability of external resources, and so many other factors beyond just how much money the household had. It’s a giant balancing act of a ton of influences.

[@sylviapark129]

@@marillaz4582 perhaps money is good only up to a point 🤔

[@aklesiaayfokiru6900]

@@marillaz4582 My cousins who have less interms of money are so selfish and manipulative that they steal stuff from my other cousins who have it better even if they have the same exact stuff just to be petty. It mostly depends on how you are raised not the amount of money

[@beyondviolet]

3:00 my father has to get political during _every single dinner_ we have, idk why we even bother coming over sometimes

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

We hear you. It can be such a downer.

[@notactuallyacat.]

My top three topics to avoid during conversations are politics, religion, and money.

[@SjofnBM1989]

Same. I always just change the subject or pretend I have to go to the bathroom to be able to leave the room. I refuse to participate in those "conversations"

[@shybandit521]

My parents bring up politics often. As soon as try to correct them, they immediately strawman me as the extreme opposite side and then proceed to try to "fix" my opinions.

[@Frankiebug21]

My dad will start in on something about gay rights or Covid or the hot topic of the day that he is fully aware I disagree with literally as I come in the door. And then if I speak my mind I'm the bad guy. I genuinely don't understand what his point would be in this.

[@KitCat898]

The other day, my nephew spoke up in front of the whole family and goes, “Auntie, did you know that you’re kind? You’re very kind.” He almost always said ‘nice’ but the fact that he made the same distinction you did in this video made me want to cry 😭✨

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Aww love that! 😊

[@KitCat898]

@@CinemaTherapyShow It made me proud - because I do my best to admit when I’m wrong; and pursue what’s right. It’s cool to know he sees it.

[@msk-qp6fn]

@@KitCat898 you're a good person and auntie, never change or don't change where it matters 😭🙏👍

[@2adamast]

@@KitCat898 Thought it was a fishing after an inheritance story

[@KitCat898]

@@2adamastLol oh no. Sadly, we’re not well off for any kind of inheritance 😂

[@cayreet5992]

"Knives Out" is actually a mixture of two mystery types, the classic whodunit and the less well-known howcatchem (the "Columbo" TV series is one). "Knives Out" starts as a whodunit, shifts into a howcatchem, then ends as a whodunit when it is clear that Martha is not to blame.

[@DipTuckDive]

Not really. It was clear who the killer was through the entire movie. I knew right away, fell asleep for an hour in the theater, woke up and there it was. I was watched it two or three times and I can say confidently there’s no way anyone else would be suspected.

[@Robynhoodlum]

@@DipTuckDiveso you slept through the part where Martha is implicated in Harlan’s death (aka the howcatchem part) and you want to criticize the storytelling of the part of the movie you didn’t even see?

[@CandaceYoung962]

After 'Glass Onion' I rewatched this last week. One thing I noticed, when Benoit asked Linda who besides the family was at Harlon's birthday party, she says Marta, Fran AND Nana. Linda puts her grandmother on the same level as the nurse and the housekeeper...I think that says a lot about the Thrombeys as a family...

[@gurigurigunzul3090]

You should react to Parasite! I'm really curious what you have to say about it.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Great idea! That would be a cool one to cover.

[@piiinkDeluxe]

Yesyesyes please! My favorite movie 😍

[@jessicab831]

Does it star Venom in it? (Lol)

[@jessicab831]

It does look very interesting for me to see.

[@TheeKittyPie]

@@CinemaTherapyShow I think a great theme you could explore is how the film represents the different mental tolls poverty takes on you. Comparing yourself to others Financially, having to resort to illegal activities because you can’t afford resources, lack of access to education etc.

[@Sthuthukile]

That nice vs kind comparison is just like personality vs character. Personality is what you wear to the gym and character is how much you actually work out.

[@helenl3193]

I love this analogy! I've never heard it before and I hope you don't mind but I'm totally gonna use it from now on! 😁

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I always look for a person who can give constructive criticism, because you know they're trying to help you -- even if doing so makes them feel uncomfortable and maybe even look like the "bad guy." People who are nice because confrontation makes them uncomfortable may mean well, but in my experience they're not the people you want to have your back.

[@Sthuthukile]

@@helenl3193 It's cool, use away!

[@Sthuthukile]

@@eyesofthecervino3366 That's a good way of putting it, thank you

[@ameennasar2583]

Good personality is important. Good character is mandatory

[@Adri_Unsung]

That political argument scene was so true to my experience with my family that it made me feel the same cagey way I do at family gatherings lmao

[@artboymoy]

It showed that both sides were a bit clueless, being of upper class... but that's not how it goes in my family.. oh no... not at all. ;)

[@helenl3193]

@@artboymoy I don't think it's their class that makes them clueless, rather their assumptions that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They don't listen so they won't learn anything. I'm working class, btw, so not a toff or tory-apologist, just saying it because I have middle class friends who are very aware and have had working class relatives who are just as clueless and unrelenting in political conversations. It's not class-specific, but being upper class probably helps you avoid learning any lessons from experience or proximity either, so probably magnifies the problem

[@helenl3193]

Toff = toff is a derogatory stereotype for someone from the aristocracy or landed gentry. (Mr Darcy in Pride & Prejudice is landed gentry - a person who doesn't need to work because they own enough land to make their living entirely from rents paid to them by the farmers who live & work on it) Tory = Conservative party (used like GOP is for the US Republicans) In case those are UK-only terms

[@jliller]

That CSI: KFC snark was such a great self-aware movie moment. As good as Daniel Craig is at playing James Bond, he seems to have a lot of fun with quirky roles like this.

[@Lanoira13]

The twist with Ransom broke my heart. Evans perfectly played the asshole with a heart of gold. Ransom seemed to be aware that the toxic way he was and way he lived was largely a product of his circumstance, but he also seemed like he kind of hated himself for it and wrote himself off as a bad person. Him siding with Marta and seeming so willing to help her and take care of her, along with being stated to be the most like his grandfather out of all his family, I really didn't expect the twist. I wanted the best for him and Marta, I expected them to be besties. I felt betrayed and disappointed at the twist. But at the same time it seemed like SUCH a great, natural way to take the character. It came off to me like, yeah, maybe he was just like his grandfather, but at a different time under different circumstances, maybe the people we love wouldn't love us. And maybe we wouldn't love them. And I think that's neat.

[@abigailrandall7520]

I haven't watched the movie myself so I am limited on my understanding of the characters to what was shown in the clips. But as someone who has become "the black sheep" of my family my take on Ransom's "Gleefulness" isn't because he is so bad that he takes glee in being a bad person. I think its because he grew up in an emotionally manipulative home with people who use money to control the people around them and he sees that and knows that! Money in this family is a symbol of love as well as many other things, and love/money can only be earned, its not unconditional. So when his family threatens him yet again with money he can't help but laugh because he can see through the bullshit, he saw it coming before he even got there. I think he also laughed because he knew that the family wouldn't get any money from his Grandfather and he wanted to watch the madness ensue when it happened. When asked if he knew he was cut from the will he said "Yes", yet he came to the reading of the will anyways. When his uncle got in his face about his behavior, he I think he didn't react because he knew that deep down his uncle was no better than him, in fact his uncle is worse because he hides his true feels with a veneer of "nice", where as Ransom shows himself for what he his. Ransom is not a great person, but I'll give him credit for owning it.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Watch the movie. I think you may be right, and I'd love your thoughts after you've seen it.

[@kaedatiger]

You got this at least partly right. It's worth watching the movie though.

[@missyureiii]

Exactly. Ransom had a degree of self awareness, which adds to why he is more likeable than the rest.

[@Theohybrid]

Black Sheep do see because they aren't like everyone else. They have to.

[@moonspaws]

@@CinemaTherapyShow I agree with this person's interpretation as well! It feels to me as though Ransom's enjoyment of the situation is a little separated from how horrible he is. It was briefly mentioned in the film how alike Ransom and Harlon are, and I think that's an allusion to how well he can read people. Often some of the worst people are that way because they're very good at reading other people. His joy is total schadenfreude. Coming from a toxic family, he was the most relatable character in the film to me. Everything he did (aside from plot stuff, obv) was super cathartic to me!

[@m.jpowell2938]

I was wildly attracted to Chris Evans in the movie.

[@FabalociousDee]

I was too and I hate myself for it. 😂😂😂

[@Butterflier00]

it's the cable knit sweaters.

[@m.jpowell2938]

@@FabalociousDee we love that childhood trauma letting us be attracted to toxic masculinity 💅🏻💅🏻

[@m.jpowell2938]

@@Butterflier00 Oh 100% but only Chris can pull it off 😂

[@FabalociousDee]

@@m.jpowell2938 Amen, love, amen.

[@emmasilver2332]

"It's not a conversation, it's 2 soliloquies over the top of each other" I laughed

[@davidcheater4239]

I'd heard it before as: "Dialogue = two overlapping monologues"

[@Santiago_geck0nix]

Walt saying "Were his family. So..." Has reminded me that, sometimes, our biological family feels entitled to have our love and affection, when we clearly have other people who are more supportive than any of them can be, and that's what we call, a chosen family.

[@DisKorruptd]

Family trees don't need be organic, the branches you graft are as equally valid.

[@goeienacht]

A conversation that’s dead before it started is a perfect description for a toxic family like this getting into a conversation about race and politics. Very well said.

[@geralynlovell5616]

My friend worked on this film!!! It's great and I'm so excited to see Glass Onion

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Wow, that's so cool!

[@rontheron4807]

Really happy to see you guys tackle this one, it's such a gem ! I really like the casting choice for Ransom, picking such a beloved actor known for playing a kind person ensures that most of the audience that could have seen the end coming is biased and makes excuses for him until it's revealed because he *couldnt* be evil

[@zamiaramirez1390]

I also feel like it was a good way to break a type cast before it happened

[@Butterflier00]

of course some of us that have seen his entire filmography knows that he has played a lot of assholes before and this is more of a return to his roots kinda deal and welcome that with open legs.

[@kstreet]

Chris Evans is a really solid actor-even when he’s in the occasional dumb movie, he’s one of the best things about it. He can convincingly play hero, villain, shallow douchebag, noble and self-sacrificing, romantic lead, devoted father, etc., and he has great comedic timing. He’s honestly underrated.

[@sunflowersrosieashle]

“Nice is about appearances, it doesn’t cost anything. & kindness is what’s right.” WOAH 🙊

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

The reason Ransom doesn't lose it when his Uncle berates him, is that Harlan told him everything, which included that Harlan left them all out of the will.

[@RainyLS]

He must've been internally laughing so hard

[@georgewilliamson5667]

What I love about Ransoms character is that despite what a terrible person he is (and also clearly knows himself to be) he also is ironically the only one who seems to realize just how trash his entire family is. Like, all the rest of the Thrombeys seem to be incapable of recognizing just how terrible they all are, and think of themselves all as being very upstanding, respectable, upper class citizens of the world and it seems like its only Ransom, arguably the shittiest of them all, who is capable of realizing that none of them are true genuine people and the only good they serve to him is to keep him afloat. Otherwise, he never interacts with them and doesnt let any of them get under his skin, because he knows that interacting with them will do him no favors. He's still a terrible person, but I still love that about his character, that the shittiest member of a family of dirtbags is the only one who seems to recognize just how awful they all are.

[@segments2156]

he is also the only one who did something to protect the whole family, which is frame Martha so Harlan's will would be nullified.

[@rachela7632]

Love that they were all “out voted”. Only spotted that one the second watch. The fakery

[@ameennasar2583]

If I viewed this movie as a kid, I would see this family as a bunch of good people who got injustice. But as a grown up I know there is a rightful reason in Harlan's will. But still I can't fully agree with Harlan's decision. What is your opinion on that?

[@Linrox]

i love chris evans in this, he may have been the bad guy but he was a lot better than any of them, because at least he was open about it. So as far as bad guys go, he was still the good bad guy

[@nicolelouise9779]

I mean what's better a person who's hiding behind a sweet mask and actually think their sweet that could stab you in a moments notice or a person who's shit and knows he's shit and he's proud he's shit? Could that even be called a competition?

[@jaimicottrill2831]

But he did hide who he really was from Marta, because he wanted the money. And let’s not forget he MURDERED his grandfather and the housekeeper! He was not a good bad guy at all, just a straight up bad guy!

[@Pl-iNK]

@@jaimicottrill2831 But he was good at being a bad guy. If you're a bad guy in a movie, your whole job is manipulating everything around you to your advantage, no matter at the costs of lives or lies, and he was excellent at that.

[@sharpaycutie2]

Like New York in Flavor of Love. She never faked liking any of them or her motives with them. She was honest from the getgo lol😂😂

[@yeseniatecaxco7545]

"When it really costs you, is when you know what you're made of" I am definitely going to try to remind myself that whenever I want to do something nice, evaluate myself on why I am doing it and how. It is better to be sincere with oneself

[@SCordova19]

Harlan also is putting an unfair emotional responsibility on Marta. There is an unspoken string attached to the money…it is now her responsibility to turn these people into good people. Maybe one or two she can do so but some of them are honestly so horrid.

[@keivajones1865]

Hes putting her life in danger bc let's be honest these folks could have some mon ey lying somewhere and could pay folks to kill Marta and burn the house down with her in it. These types of folks don't take L,s

[@SCordova19]

@@keivajones1865 very true

[@FlamingSwordOfDoom]

???? why?? that makes no sense

[@jillianmyerly4517]

The beauty of Knives Out really is in the subtleties. I mean, you have the in the face commentary and dysfunction, but you also have the slight hints about where the cracks in the family are.

[@haninamureacts]

I suspected Chris Evan’s character because he was played by Chris Evans and why would they give only a few scenes to a big actor like him?

[@Cendar]

I suspected him because he is captain america and it would be a basic thing to make a normally good guy the bad guy. They had me midway that he was a good guy only because Harlan killed himself.

[@18haylo]

The old Law & Order rule; the more famous the actor, the more likely they're the perpetrator.

[@BlackCanary87]

I knew it was him as soon as he said he'd changed. People like that don't change. At least not in Rian Johnson movies.

[@komal146]

I actually thought of him as Tony stark like character. A necessary asshole.

[@helenl3193]

@@MulberrySeason Yup! Dogs can smell a wrong'un!

[@jasminelav.332]

Harlan is quite literally my great-grandmother. Spoiled her kids rotten, bailed them out of the consequences of their actions well into adulthood, and now 7/10 of them are awful, selfish people. Several are full-on malignant narcissists who should be in jail. And she regrets it terribly. She never got to have much of a relationship with the good ones because the bad ones pushed them all away.

[@laurenhanna2491]

My favorite moment of the movie clip is at 11:53 when Ransom tell everyone to eat sh** and for like 2 seconds Jamie Lee Curtis pulls this hilarious face of absolute shock and anger. It gets me every time!!

[@Cyssane]

Just heard today that Christopher Plummer has died (the actor who played the murder victim in this film). I'm genuinely saddened by this. He was a great Canadian actor and had so many amazing performances -- film, TV, stage, and even game voice acting -- and I was lucky enough to see him act on stage in Stratford, Ontario several times as Caesar in Caesar and Cleopatra, as Prospero in The Tempest, and most especially as Lear in King Lear. He was an amazing stage actor, and his performance as Lear was outstanding. He played the role as if he was an old man in decline with Alzheimer's -- I've worked in health care and my grandfather also had the disease, so I was familiar with how it progressed in dementia patients, and Plummer's performance was so good that I could literally track the decline through his acting. I'd seen other performances of Lear, but none of them touched Plummer's. He was truly a legend, and it's sad to realize that I'll never be able to see him live on stage again. RIP, you magnificent fellow Canadian.

[@itzakpoelzig330]

This movie is a fusion of two genres that I've never seen fused before: the whodunnit and the howcatchem. We think it's a howcatchem at first because we literally saw before our eyes how the death happened and who was involved (just like an episode of Columbo, the quintessential howcatchem), and we don't find out until much later that what we thought we saw was actually orchestrated by an unknown party, and the movie morphs into a whodunnit (before very briefly becoming a howcatchem again just so that Marta can puke on Ransom). It's brilliant, and so original, in two genres where it's hard to be original these days.

[@kpopperlifehq4551]

Hi! It'd be nice If you react to "Spirited Away" directed by Hayao Miyazaki!! I love her development! But I'm curious what else you would find!

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

We plan to do several Miyazaki films over the next couple of years. I really wish we could get these out faster. Geez, if Alan could edit quicker... (Alan here. Talking about myself in the 3rd person. Needing therapy)

[@Treegona]

@@CinemaTherapyShow Is Grave of the Fireflies on that list? I'm pretty sure a friend of mine needed therapy after watching that one. I'd say Howl's moving castle is pretty interesting when it comes to stuff like the effects of self image, which is important both to the movie and, particularly, to the protagonist of the book it was based on (also the movie is a kinda cheesy romance and I have fond memories)

[@kukuandkookie]

Ooh would you guys also look at films from other countries? There may be potential discussions in films like _Nezha_ 2019, _Jiang Ziya, Legend of Hei,_ etc. These ones I mentioned are from China and aren’t talked about much, but I am curious what a professional therapist and filmmaker could say about them. :ooo _Mo Dao Zu Shi_ also has a very interesting insight into memories, mob mentality, empathy, etc but it’s a series and hasn’t gotten as far as the novel yet.

[@BrieannaKeogh]

@@CinemaTherapyShow Oh yes please! Also from Miyazaki, Howl's Moving Castle, in English since it has the main char being done by Christian Bale in voice and the fire char being done by Billy Crystal, the Sophie voice actress, whom I don't know, are all phenomenal and not at all cheesy btw. Miyazaki is like watching an anime dream. Part political, fantasy, serious, and funny.

[@JozannaHanawalt]

If you want to react to a great anime that focuses on the psychology of various characters, Neon Genesis Evangelion is pretty much the textbook example. So many to choose from and examine, all walking psyche profiles. Death Note would also be a good one to look at. The main character has a really big god complex that would be interesting to track at certain points throughout the series. Just a couple suggestions.

[@ProfessionalCrayonConsumer]

i hope that this comment reaches you guys because i love the things you guys are doing and i would love to see an episode on pixar's onwards talking about the relationship between a father and son and how a father and son relationship doesn't necessarily have to be between a father and a son

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

We've got good news for you! We've already filmed that episode and it's coming soon! Probably in January. This month is our Christmas content. But Onward is really, really good.

[@ProfessionalCrayonConsumer]

@@CinemaTherapyShow Great!!! can't wait!!

[@KayleeFarnes]

I would watch this! My dad turned on Onward for my kids, not knowing what it was about, and my dad's father had passed away about a month prior and they had always had a... different relationship, but my dad LOVED Onward and how it portrayed family relationships.

[@VeganEmelda]

The thing I immediately took away from this movie was the racism people expect in the south versus the racism people get in the north. I think it's missed in most critiques of this movie! I love that you pointed out the difference between kind and nice, it's a great way to frame so much of their behavior.

[@xiomaraa]

could you expand more on the difference? /gen

[@Gemma-Majoran]

@@xiomaraa modern racism, racism thats implicit that is, is subtle, oftentimes off the cuff and understated untill confronted or emotions come out.

[@marcosoto7973]

@@xiomaraa in the south racism can be more clear and out in the open, there's no mistaking that racists in the south are proud to be racist. The racists in the north think the same way but since they're not "openly hateful" they're better than the South

[@ashwinidesai4051]

@@marcosoto7973 So, Northern ones are closeted racists!! 😅😅

[@RainyLS]

​@@marcosoto7973 On the one hand yeah, it's more pleasant, but I think I'd rather know if someone was racist rather than constantly wonder who is and who isn't. I wouldn't trust anyone if I didn't know.

[@Blumenfee]

"Craving validation by winning the argument" ... having grown up with this and trying to avoid any family gathering since I'm a teenager, I'm surprised how relieving it is to hear that this isn't healthy family dynamics. I knew that before, but the confirmation helps - thank you! :)

[@doodlemaster4897]

this movie is such a masterpiece. There's so much detail and complexity to the characters and interactions. The subtle detail and dialogue is just amazing. I could watch it a billion times and never get tired of it. So glad to see you guys have covered it

[@moth1365]

I'd love to see a video on the family relationships in the Addams Family. I always adored the way Gomez and Morticia encourage their kids to be themselves and never belittle or patronise them.

[@rowandunning6877]

you guys should talk about the good place, i know its not a movie but its so good

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Jonathan here. My wife and I LOVED it.

[@kristenmaryfitzpatrick]

Yes! I’m also interested on their thoughts on The Office and Mad Men! If they ever explore tv shows.

[@Hello_Gorgeous]

It's amazing. My favorite part was when Chidi was talking to Eleanor about the Buddhist life being like waves scene. I cried so much ❤

[@danielhale1]

Ransom came off as a genuine psychopath. Completely comfortable destroying lives, tells lies without flinching, manipulative, no concept of guilt or shame, etc. He's a really entertaining character on the big screen, but in real life this is the sort of being you never want to encounter because they're completely incapable of personhood and they have no limits on what they'll do. Honestly, it was a terrifyingly good performance. Realizing just how easy lying and killing are for him makes you dread what he'll do next.

[@WankiTank]

Truly. I always wondered if he was up to something when he helped Martha, but before that... when he was just the embodied glee of the viewer to see all those assholes get what they deserve (nothing), it was so captivating. But as soon as that was over and you're confronted with the reality of Martha getting framed for murder it was chilling to think how insane he is. Like, all of them are bad or horrible people. But only one is a murderer. And it's the one that was most sympathetic.

[@michaelagarner1282]

@@WankiTank I especially enjoy the scene where the person is reading out the will and the camera zooms into Ransom's face and there is a subtle smile on his face. First time watchers would assume it is a look of glee because the entire family is being cut from the will but with the context of his plan the motivation changes. Because Ransom's plan was to frame Marta for the murder of Harlan in order to reverse the change, meaning that he AND THE REST OF HIS FAMILY would get so he wouldn't be smiling because his family is being cheated out of money. Ransom is smiling because he knows that Marta, who he is racist towards and indifferent about due to genuine psychopathy, will be chased around so he can find joy in her misery but it is also one step closer to his plan.

[@emmacook3065]

The family in this movie actually triggered me, I’d never been so thrown off by a movie before!!! The tones in their voice, the uncle calling Marta in to back him up in an argument, the forced motherly tone that Marta hears as she’s leaving the thrombe mansion after hearing it’s hers... the manipulative cousin.... God!! Whoever wrote this is a genius. It’s painful and yet I’d watch it over and over again. Definitely a cathartic pain. And yeah, Marta being scared shitless after hearing the will resonates hard. She’s scared of them and knows damn well what’s coming.

[@Overseer2579]

It was written and directed by Rian Johnson, as Alan and Jono noted. But yes he is a genius!

[@cydude5856]

This movie is the best subversive work of art I have ever seen. It flips the entire genre on its head twice, three times if you count the simple narrative of it following the suspect rather than the detective.

[@GLORIOUSCHONK]

The parenting talk about halfway through the video is terrifying as a young woman who has a dream of having children.

[@applecrave1097]

I think it's straight forward, the most frightening thing is if you protect them from learning anything and not setting up limits/ boundaries, otherwise they end up just like this movie. They don't end up loving you for you, and don't build character.

[@normalgamergal]

Also, don't protect them from failure. Be there for them, but let them experience consequences. That doesn't mean let them end up on the streets, but if they screwed around and didn't finish their assignment for school, let them get the bad grade.

[@mediatorraptor3349]

It's scares me too because a lot of parents make the mistake of trying protect them from expericiencing bad things. They won't learn if anything if you don't let them deal with the consequences

[@thatoneinternetgirl7965]

I think that they’re wrong. Like obviously you shouldn’t hide bad things from your child cause they need to grow and learn on their own, but also you shouldn’t punish them for things they say they said. Humans are social mammals and like other mammals we react poorly to negative reinforcement. You shouldn’t be negatively reinforcing things, like yes the kid will so bad things, but that’s a chance to explain why it was wrong and then show them how to do better next time. You shouldn’t punish bad, you explain why it’s wrong, show how to do better, then reward future good behavior.

[@applecrave1097]

@@thatoneinternetgirl7965 no one said to use negative reinforcement. I remember this one time my dad was explaining to me why I shouldn't have drawn on the wall, instead of screaming at me, I was so affected but for some reason I ended up cleaning it up myself with a sponge and soap. Another ex: my mom only let me eat one candy snack a day, I may have thrown a tantrum but she wouldn't stand by it, and wouldn't reinforce my tantrum, she would get upset tell me just not yell, and I wouldn't get candy. She still gave me something to eat, just not candy. Growing up I was always happy to have something to eat.

[@lluummd]

I just hAaate youtube for not promoting this hyper high quality channel guys, I've been watching your vids for about 3hrs because I can't stop, you're so good, and this is totally what I needed - some kind of movie reactions and therapy what's wrong with this heartless machine ((( anyway spread positivity so lucky me for I discovered your channel and thank you for what you're doing

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Thank you so much, Yumi! We're starting to pick up steam, so KZbin's algorithm is finally working in our favor :) It means the world to us that you're digging our stuff! If you could tell your friends, we'd be so grateful!

[@seohhe]

I got them recommended today too! Now I binge watching all the videos and I love it!

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

@@seohhe we love that you love it! Much more to come :)

[@taurbeer]

I will say, going by a lot of comments, it seems like KZbin has started promoting the channel within the last 48 hours. A good number if comments that aren’t a day old say that they’ve just found the channel. I am also one of those who just found it and find the channel great. c:

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

@@taurbeer ​you are exactly right. It's been a great two days for us. We had a lot to be thankful for this Thanksgiving. Thank you for joining us!

[@fizzify3000]

Out of all his family, I think Harland respected Linda the most. She was the only one who made a life outside of his shadow (while still enjoying the benefits of his fame obviously). He probably saw himself the most in her, shown by their shared love of mystery through their secret letters that strengthened their bond. Linda has her own wealth from real estate and would probably only continue to feed Ransom’s habits if given the family fortune, so he left it to the only other person he respected, which was Marta.

[@exmormonroverpaula2319]

My grandfather's family ran into a problem like this where the family farm was co-owned by two brothers. The younger brother was a bachelor who lived all his life with his older brother's family. The older brother and his wife cared for him all his life, including his last illness, and thought that in return the younger brother would leave his half of the farm to the older brother. The younger brother left the farm to his five-year-old nephew, who apparently was a cute kid who liked his uncle. The family tried to break the will in court but couldn't do it.

[@user-pv1qk4so6s]

First movie I've seen you two talk about that made me stop and go watch the movie. Much better than I thought it would be. Loved how each flashback subtlety highlights the differences in perception of the teller. One of my favorite story devices.

[@soaringaegis]

Stayed until the end, got rewarded with Jonathan's excellent accent xD

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Thank you!

[@anna_banana7019]

KZbin just recommended this channel and can I say my only complaint is that the videos aren't an hour long each??? Genuinely the best channel KZbin has ever shown me and as a film student with a background in youth work, I am having a tremendous time binge watching! This is criminally underrated!! Love your work guys!!

[@edwardm.9407]

Great analysis and really helpful points around the nice v kind difference and what kids need from parents. Well done!

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dacutsy]

Attachment theory!

[@billyb7852]

I kind of disagree with the read on Ransom, I feel like his real sentiment and the reason he doesn’t react to his uncle’s berating is because it doesn’t matter what his family says; he doesn’t respect any of them or their opinions, and he already knows that this is what they think of him. He’s heard it before and it’s familiar. I really empathised with his character for being a black sheep in the family, and having to take a lot of hypocritical shit from the people around him. I mean, I wouldn’t do half the things he did, but his sense of vindication when the will is read, I was definitely cheering it on.

[@makeshiftgleeman7322]

16:00 see- what get I from Rian, is that he subverts the fact he subverted our expectations in the first pace(he spins it, then spins it again), to bring to light something more meaningful out of the genre/story(the genre has it's own meta journey, "coming back"/"returning" changed/stronger for the better). Last Jedi makes you _think_ it's about "Jedi must end, the legacy is faulty", but then it reveals "I will not be the last Jedi/ Jedi will continue to exist and grow beyond mistakes", 'Knives out' makes you think "the mystery is solved, she did it, this isn't a 'who done it' but a cat and mouse game" but then "the mystery isn't solved, she didn't do it, this is a who done it", and in doing so both movies unveil a much more positive and rich message. (the true tittle/meaning of Jedi grows and persist past any certain generation, and a person who is pure, kind and a good care taker, committing such a gruesome crime is not the truth that fallows gravity's rainbow.)

[@mathewfinch]

TLJ was also essential to fix the continuity between the Jedi we see see in the original series and the Jedi Order we see in the prequels.

[@itsnlee]

Your analysis of gaslighting in Tangled came up in my recommended and now I'm obsessed with this channel.

[@angelicalivio5587]

Im a Psych student who loves films. I love love love this channel!!

[@angelasylvain2476]

I remember having a huge blowout argument with my son when he was a pre-teen. He was being a snot-brat. I finally screamed, “I OWE you food, an education, and shelter - EVERYTHING else I give you is because I love you. Don’t you ever forget the difference.” He’s a grown man now and I am so grateful for what an excellent human being he’s grown to be.

[@eride79]

I might use that line if I ever have kids. More likely with my nephew, who's being slowly but consistently spoiled by my sister. Thank you :) Your son is lucky to have you.

[@magdalena9405]

That is quite a line... I'm seriously tempted to screenshot your comment so I can save it for the future.

[@user-dk3tc1mo9t]

You decided to bring them into this world, your choice not theirs! You owe them your love as well

[@onlystarsknow767]

@@eride79 I feel this on a spiritual level. My nephew is such a spoiled brat and always talks down on adults so I often use that line

[@allisonborzoni7123]

My parents always told us the world doesn’t owe us anything. I think it has helped me perspective-wise where friends/family get upset about things. No one owes you anything.

[@AxelQC]

The attorney is played by Frank Oz, also known as Grover, Miss Piggy, Fozzie Bear, Animal, Cookie Monster, and Yoda.

[@plantmom3699]

The artistry that went into the costuming and makeup in this film adds so much to the story! I love the crudeness of the makeup done on the Thrawnby family.

[@jlcollins14]

Chris Evans is the perfect human. Baddie or Captain, I'll watch anything including him. Love the channel!

[@elizabethburns-gundel1052]

"Baddie or Cappie"! XD

[@heath6802]

I absolutely loved how smug Evans was in this movie, my friend and I saw this in theaters. Not to mention the way the shots and transitions are shot. Also the detective and his assistants were fun

[@frederickthegreatpodcast382]

I could probably watch this movie over and over a hundred times and still pick things I hadn’t seen before

[@helenl3193]

Yup, it's so densely and exquisitely layered! So many beautiful little stylistic choices and flourishes, as well as loving nods to other works in the genre 😍

[@triscuit9074]

9:10 reminds me of one of the core things about "sleeping beauty" that sheltering your kids (from maleficent, Mr.Harm and destruction herself) is no good for them. I've met a lot of addicts (any substance) that didn't have coping mechanisms because they never had heartache and the emotional support that fallows that in their childhood.

[@absolutelynot.3739]

13:34: Fun coincidence, the cop that she's yelling at is the same actor that plays Andre in Get Out, and she's yelling at him to "Get Out!"

[@captainclov3r]

I would love to see you guys look at the family dynamics of Umbrella Academy

[@Hello_Gorgeous]

So good.

[@Dazzlefae]

They're all so toxic, but so loveable... Hahaha (Except Reginald and Grace. Reginald is just toxic, not loveable, and Grace is just loveable, not toxic...)

[@haveagoodmourning]

Yes!

[@vanessastein1689]

YES!

[@jewelarlene8166]

Been waiting for this one, this movie is absolutely amazing and super creative.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

It really is! We filmed this months ago and the editing process of this episode inspired us both to rewatch the movie, just for sheer enjoyment.

[@gyrus.2211]

I would love to see you guys cover the haunting of hill house and grief/family dysfunction.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Cool idea! TV series of one of the many movies?

[@gyrus.2211]

@@CinemaTherapyShow tv series

[@purpleiguana208]

I wonder what Johnathan thinks about Marta's quirk of vomiting when she lies.

[@DeidaraSakurasama]

It's part of anxiety; and usually anxiety attacks when triggered.

[@ooshiikurai]

The Last Jedi was probably my favorite Star Wars movie. So I’m right there with you Alan.