The Inevitable Crash...Rest In Peace Freewing F-4 Phantom

[@roddraym]

Sorry that happened Chris! The Freewing F-4 was notorious for having a weak elevator servo installation from the manufacture: The fragility of the factory installed servo, the substandard glue used to secure the servo in place and a weak linkage, all combined, have been problematic for several Freewing F-4 pilots. It's possible your previous vids covered this insight. Best wishes towards your next F-4 project.

[@billsmith3850]

The old combination of factors that came together. The flying field layout with trees seemed to have contributed to the pilot's decision to steepen the pitch angle before turning base to final approach to set up for a steeper than normal approach. (New airport for the pilot.) A strong tail gust with turbulence (Forecast weather conditions). Reduced airspeed and angle of attack caused a localized airflow separation to occur resulting in a stall. Pilot was unable to perceive and respond to the changing flight condition that developed very quickly in this phase of flight. (Pilot stated he had not flown the type in some time) The Phantom definitely has some unforgiving flight characteristics in a stalled condition. Video analysis shows the pilot feeding in elevator as he was slowing to turn base therefore the elevator was operational during this phase of the flight. The servo failed later as a result of the impact and did not contribute to the crash. I liked that plane too. Another great video. Thanks.

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, ntsb report right there 🤣

[@ry400xp]

When you turned from downwind to base and having a tailwind in the base leg, you’ll instantly lose performance and airspeed and could cause a stall. The fact that you tried to recover with a secondary stall looks like the elevator was working but who knows. The only way to know is to pull the tapes from the black box and CVR.

[@Thercgeek]

Quite possibly what happened. Unfortunately, the black box was unable to be recovered from the crash site. 🤣

[@nickhayley]

Id day the dead elevator servo didn't help 🤣

[@Thercgeek]

I think what @Life with Nick and Haley said 🤣

[@seanmolloy9422]

Sorry for your loss. I once had a bound up servo and when I loaded it, the other functions would brown put. Fortunately it failed on the bench

[@memcrew1]

You won’t lose airspeed going from a downwind to a base leg. You’re confusing ground speed with airspeed.

[@stevec7596]

This is how I got my F-4. It had a crash from a dead elevator servo and I was given the airplane. I installed an HS5245 and repaired the damage enough to fly it. It's been great!

[@Wefi01]

Classic downwind and bank stall. Happens to the best if us..hope you get her a new fuse soon...enjoyed your videos.

[@davegianakos6512]

My heart sank a bit this morning when I discovered the demise online of your Great Pumpkin! I followed the build with interest and watching the videos of you fly through the skies with authority. I still have my F-4,painted up as an F-4N in colors of VF-84 Jolly Rogers. On one of its first flights, I got a bit slow coming near the approach end of the runway, it rolled over onto its back in the dirt. The cockpit was broken off in the cockpit area, I glued it back together as best I could, but it definitely is slightly "bent" to the left. I still fly it although I have to have some aileron trim in it just to keep it level. But it does fly. I'll fly it until it goes in someday, and probably get another. Always enjoy your videos and your products. The dual afterburner I bought from you still works great!

[@Thercgeek]

Well, all part of the game unfortunately. She will rise again I’m sure. Glad yours is still flying! 😊

[@Whitpusmc]

Bummed for the loss, we have all been there!

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game

[@JustwingitRC]

Oh man, that blows dude 😯! Glad I got to see this beauty in person on a few occasions. Blue skies and better days to you my friend 😎👍

[@Thercgeek]

As they say, there are two type of rc airplanes…those that have and those that will crash. 🤣. I expect she’ll rise again in some form, just not right now sadly.

[@hammertime964]

Sorry for your loss Chris😕🍻

[@Thercgeek]

Cheers! All part of the hobby unfortunately. She’ll rise again I’m sure. 😊

[@warbuzzard7167]

I had a Durafly Spitfire MkVB that I loved. I had built, crashed, rebuilt, refreshed and fine-tuned a dozen times. It was my first >1m warbird. After not flying it for a while, I put it up in the air with the gyro off. It became hard to control and drifted too far away from me. I lost perspective on it and it went into a nosedive from which I could not recover. Hobby King stopped selling the model years before... so I recovered the parts, stripped off all the electronic gear, then put the crushed airframe in the trash. You are right. They all have an expiration date on them. 😔

[@pointnozzleaway]

I Did Enjoy the Great Pumpkin story. Have been there

[@shelbyseelbach9568]

Turning into a downwind base leg with flaps and gear down is always going to be a gamble. I've learned the hard way to make sure my base leg is always into a prevailing crosswind with my EDFs. Turning downwind while slow with the extra drag from flaps and extended gear will cause you to drop like a freaking brick in my experience.

[@alanshearing7515]

And from the ashes. A sad day goodbye Pumpkin. I really like the unmistakable shape of this model in the air . Hope for a reboot Chris .

[@Thercgeek]

I think it’ll happen, just not right now. On to other projects for the moment. 😊

[@mrt1035]

Farewell great Pumpkin! If you don’t turn it into a E model fix it back up and make it a hangar Queen. Pumpkins are always worth having around. Great video Chris

[@pontiacf]

Sorry for your loss 😢…she be back even better soon 🎃

[@Thercgeek]

Definitely 😊

[@cmayrc]

Props for thoroughly explaining why the servo might have failed and not just blaming it on happening right before the crash. Sorry bout your Phantom man, but great video!

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game as you know. When something happens, I’m probably one of the few who will tend to blame myself first before anything else. This one was curious though, but still likely my fault, haha!

[@airhammer6203]

Nice video Chris, she was a GREAT pumpkin..... Plant one of her seeds and watch'er grow..... AirHammer out!!

[@Thercgeek]

Yasss!

[@larryegilman1]

An absolutely gorgeous sky master F-4 was lost at Best in the West Jet Rally this year. Big difference in $$, but equally heart breaking. I am sorry for your loss of a unique, labor intensive, well executed model

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game unfortunately. She will rise again I think after I get some other projects done.

[@Airsally]

Aww man sorry to see this Chris...but it does happen from time to time . Not used to seeing all those trees around you while flying. Look forwards to your future builds.

[@Thercgeek]

Yep, all part of the game unfortunately. She will rise again I think. 😊

[@mjpburke1]

"That spin was hell. It would've shook me up." "A good pilot is compelled to always evaluate what's happened. So he can apply what he's learned. - Up there, we got to push it. That's our job." Part of the hobby some cannot cope with... you handled it well. I could see she was getting buffeted by the wind on that last pass. My F5 does not like slows dirty turns in the wind. I had one looked pretty similar to what happened to you here. First turn coming out of down leg setting up for approach dirty.... I ended up pulling out of a stalled turn about 3' off the ground. First time I ever took her up on a windy day. 10th/12th flight overall with her. SEVERE pucker factor!!! I never go below half throttle dirty anymore unless I am lined on and on the "glide slope". I have wondered though, on windy days, are these servos being overtaxed with these stabilization systems making constant corrections...

[@Thercgeek]

Yeah, my speed and throttle was about right for a calm day, didn’t do well accounting for the increasing wind. That could’ve been what caused that uncommanded tuck.

[@g-man2228]

😂

[@psiturbo]

Great editing and well time snippets.

[@ironmover5800]

That sux ! That was a beautiful plane , thanks for showing even great pilots have issues out of there control

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game unfortunately.

[@traveler7137]

Well done video Chris really really enjoying the new videos. Hope you're enjoying your new locale and as always look forward to more. Thanks, John from Canada

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks man! We’re loving it here. Been a huge adjustment though in trying to sort out the right focus and routine for this business, you know?

[@traveler7137]

@@Thercgeek Chris you need to tell us more about your business. Perhaps here even here in Canada I could be a customer. But although I follow your channel closely I'm not sure what you do as far as earning money. Certainly my respect for you and my friendship towards you would lead me to giving you business if I could good please don't afraid to make money as far as your viewers go. You are a staple in my diet of KZbin viewing and i would support you if I can.

[@EJ-74]

R. I. P. F-4 PHANTOM 🙏

[@arrowflyte2]

"Evaluate what has happened so you can apply what you learn" Viper (Tom Skerritt) in Top Gun (1986) 😂😂

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, nice! 🤣

[@skytalon74]

4:55 -I can see the plane pitching up with your inputs so the elevator servo seems to be working fine and if this happened at the turn without increasing throttle... hmmm. I've been there and looked exactly like my stall/crash. Thanks for posting.

[@pappy883]

Geek (think i'm gonna be sick) So sorry for loss, exact same thing happened to my F-18. high wind, turning down wind, slowing for final. In slow motion the wings were rocking a little just before it turned. This is a clue. just as it was going down it looked like you tried pitching up to save it so maybe the elevator was not so much a factor. Your Still the best in my book.

[@Thercgeek]

Entirely likely. My speed and throttle setting were about right for a calm day, but I didn’t do well accounting for the increasing wind. Could’ve been what got it into the situation.

[@pappy883]

@@Thercgeek My F-18 was in 5 pieces, glued it back, still fly's, (pretty good) lesson learned.

[@dougkoprowski7493]

Sorry to hear. Chin up and onward. Best regards!!

[@ficosk8]

Shit, the video for analysis is the only consolation. You did a great video for us. Thanks!

[@ficosk8]

Being a rookie and having lost my first balsa plane because of elevator servo failure or servo horn failure I´m afraid of that happening again. A young guy told me, "but you can knife edge back down"... yes you can if you have all the Time in the world, and a good simulator xD

[@jjs3287]

Sorry for your loss...

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks. All part of the game unfortunately.

[@buddy1065]

Great video and well put together.

[@Thercgeek]

Thank you! Figured I’d have a little fun with it, you know?

[@BenBartlow]

Thanks so much for the horse Apple clip I moved to PA a few years ago and I've been wondering what those are

[@rcflyingsanfrancisco2968]

Almost identical crash of my Freewing F-4 earlier this year. Put gears down in downwind leg and before turn to base leg, it lost power and went down. I attributed it to old 6S battery.

[@Thercgeek]

That’ll do it 😕

[@whoknows8678]

Beautiful model. So sorry that happened, Chris.

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game. She’ll rise again I’m sure.

[@whoknows8678]

@@Thercgeek Yup, git-R-done!

[@coldude2559]

Sorry to see this mate, it's always heart breaking to lose a good flying model....

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game unfortunately. She’ll rise again I’m sure.

[@heeder777]

Always sucks reaching the expiration date. Watching your post flight analysis, it came to me what we do in a full-scale incident or a crash. Before moving anything, document the plane with photos from several angles. In a model, check the movement of the control surfaces if possible or at a minimum listen for servo operation. I know we want to just grab the trash bag and start filling it with the pieces but think about it this, you could have confirmed it the stabilator was jammed up against an object, verified the servo operation after if the battery or receiver was damages/disconnected. Of course, I've never really done this, but without the emotional burden you experienced, it was easy to come up with this approach to how a crash may have occurred. Waiting with bated breath for the Hustler first flight! 😀

[@Thercgeek]

All good points. We actually had a tough time finding it as the brush was quite high. We had to jockey the throttle to make some noise to help us locate it. My friend was the one who picked it up after falling into a hole on the way to it, haha

[@HobRaceteam]

The Stab Servo I used was a Hitec HS-5245 MG digital mini

[@kmurphy739]

Great vid.... 👍

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks! Figured I’d have a little fun with it, haha

[@looneytunes47]

After many questionable crashes of my own thru the years i always make sure to keep the Gear Tucked up just incase i do have to ditch one..This saves on a huge amount of damage that the nose gear will inflick on the plane

[@capnhardway]

It was a bit weird, I hope you are able to repair. When I first joined the Air Force they were the main fighter, their straight line speed coming towards the runway was breathtaking! I think right next to the F 16, my favorite fighter. Thanks, sorry for your loss, watching the video, I believe for what it's worth, you didn't have full control.

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks man, it’s all part of the hobby. I definitely didn’t feel like I had full control, but could’ve been because it was slow too. She’ll rise again at some point.

[@davidbohner692]

Tragic !If you couldn’t save it, no one could. RIP Great Pumpkin😭

[@richardwylie07]

Sorry Chris. We all loved the great pumpkin!! Whenever I buy any foamy with an all flying stab… I replace the elevator servo with something much higher torque, I fortify the mounting system… and upgrade the control arm. Given this is now 8cell there is much higher demand on that one little factory servo.

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game. This actually was an aftermarket servo in there which made it all the more curious. The likelyhood is that I dumb thumbed it and the servo failure was secondary to that.

[@traveler7137]

That ending had me feeling goosebumps like the end of an MGM Grand movie. Very dramatic at the end there Chris. LOL

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, thanks! I figured might as well have some fun with it and craft a full story around it. Was fun to out together, but wished it wasn’t a crash video, haha

[@Whitpusmc]

Nice field!!

[@dont6441]

RC can be a cruel hobby. Enjoyed your video and story.

[@Thercgeek]

Sometimes it can, but it’s all part of it. 😊

[@Zek1701]

Looks like some of my recent flights where the expiration became due. Looked awesome in flight!

[@Thercgeek]

They all have one! 😉

[@alphamrc309]

This will be a day long remembered, in a sad way! May whatever replaces its spot in your hangar live just as storied a life!

[@Thercgeek]

It’s a true Halloween horror story, isn’t it? 🤣 she’ll rise again in some form I’m sure. Enjoyed flying it too much. 😊

[@robertchapman7773]

Chris I feel for you. I loved watching it in the vids. It was one of a kind. For me Its kind of like watching my favorite team getting eliminated in the playoffs. HEART JUST SINKS. Onwards and upwards sir B

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the hobby.

[@vincent-wu7bw]

It's cool that you fly there now. I learned to fly there and still visit some. I have helped pick a few planes out of that field.😄

[@Thercgeek]

Cool!

[@tonydeaton1967]

I just destroyed a, very nice, large scale P-51 in EXACTLY, the same scenario. Stall/ spin in a down wind turn. It taught me that you cannot make, high bank angle, turns like that. With the warbirds, I keep a high throttle setting until I complete the turn to final. Keeping the wings mostly level, minimum bank, and rudder thru the turn. On a calmer day, the crash wouldn't have happened.

[@I_am_archie]

Trick or treat bruh. ✈️

[@patrickskahill6530]

Dang sorry to see this..Ive refinished my F4 and F14 from Freewing and they have been hanging on my wall since lol. Funny but was considering flying the F14 next weekend. I think its just fine right where it is lol

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, after all as they say, takeoffs are optional. 🤣

[@patrickskahill6530]

@@Thercgeek Ha ha yep. To my own credit I did fly them a bunch before I spent all that time detailing them, so I can live with myself lol. Sorry again. Beautiful plane and hope you repair it.

[@iansummers6945]

You took it well Chris and great follow up on an air crash investigation. Another reason I like foamies. 😮

[@SlowFlyer85]

I feel for you been there more then once . and you know you shouldn't take it up but you do anyway and electronic failure hinge failure and you watch her come down hard great video can't wait to see you new replacement one keep up the good videos

[@Thercgeek]

As they say, discretion is the better part of valor, haha! Definitely lacking discretion, but it happens. Thanks for the support!

[@ingoackermann7718]

The Phantom don't like it to make them too slow in a turn, I have had the same accident with my Phantom,now she's flying again

[@automagni]

Chris doesn’t make mistakes! I blame the servo!

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, I wish that were true! 🤣

[@TheFrenchPug]

Thank you for your sacrifice.

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, it was bound to happen! 🤣

[@richardwylie07]

Much greener field than your former Sol Cal haunts!!

[@Thercgeek]

Yes indeed! 😊

[@payitfwdrcl6171]

Oh my. Feel for you Chris. Get her fixy and back in the air. Take care, Brad.

[@canamwing6999]

I find all the foam F-4 models have the same week spot. The Elevator servo mount! I bet you it gave out on you!

[@Thercgeek]

Its definitely a weak spot in the FW. I had done some work back there and also upgraded the servo also actually. So, this was an upgraded servo that had failed.

[@JeffsCustomRC]

Hate to see this Chris!! However, I too had something similar happen on my maiden, but was lucky enough to retrieve with no damage, and find that elevator servo had indeed crapped out, so I did the hitech servo upgrade with 256 rod, and so far…no more issues. So, I bid farewell Great Pumpkin, and hopefully another will take your place in that great pumpkin patch someday👊🏼🎃🎃

[@Diogo-dt1uf]

It was preety noticeable that your left wing stalled and dropped inwards the curve, right after it dropped you pulled the elevator, wich got things worse.. after that its all history... Been there with my p40.. wing tip stall plus elevator equals tragedy!

[@russshanks5913]

RIP

[@shownuff891]

Pumpkins are part of the a winter Squash Family and it was ever more apparent when it hit the ground …RIP great pumpkin may you squash in peace 😂

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, now to plant a seed to grow another one! 🤣

[@shownuff891]

@@Thercgeek lol I know you will come up with something . We all will be waiting

[@chadkuenzinger4256]

Oh nooooooo…….I’m so sorry for your loss. She went to the great pumpkin in the sky.😢

[@Thercgeek]

All part of the game. I’m sure she will rise again at some point. Enjoyed flying it too much not to. 😊

[@ltfadl1]

Oh no Chris, my heart hurts for ya. Such a beauty, but I'm excited to see the rebound. I slapped right into the side of my car today and tore up my F16 so I feel ya pain bud. 😭 👍

[@Thercgeek]

Oh man, that hurts! Hopefully not too bad on the car?

[@kendonnelly3248]

Sorry for the loss. Yep some tricky wind. Speed kills! (Slow speed that is). Plane looked rocky through out that turn. Nose wasn't down keeping up airspeed. Seems elevator was working. I saw the plane try to pitch up again after regaining some speed. Vertical speed that is lol. (Death thumb on elevator I suppose.). Holding right ail made worse. I always get close calls on elevator stalls on the F-4.. Even at high speed. Give it too much and it Will bite ya.

[@michaellipousky9143]

That sucks man!! Sorry about that. I think you should redo it as the great pumpkin again. Everybody says those freewing servos suck and need to be replaced before you ever fly the plane. Any of their planes. I didn’t watch any of your build videos on it so I don’t know if you had done that already or not. 🍻🍻🍻

[@Thercgeek]

We’ll see if she comes back as the pumpkin again. As much as I loved it, I’d kind of like to switch it up. I did actually upgrade the servo in this one, so who knows. Could’ve been entirely my fault

[@michaellipousky9143]

@@Thercgeek For an absolute millisecond it appeared that the plane kind of flattened out (for lack of better words) and was flying like it had no elevator authority. That’s what it appeared like to me.

[@TheRCAirMarshall]

RIP Great Pumpkin! 🎃 I thought we'd get to see forever But forever's gone away It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday😢

[@Thercgeek]

Hopefully she’ll live again…😕 Btw, nice job pulling out the Boyz II Men reference! 🤣

[@daviddavids2884]

throttle back, gear down, AND FLAPS deployed in a downwind turn. what could possibly go wrong.?

[@friendlyreptile9931]

If this was uncomanded, than it was "Inevitable" in fact. If it was not a technical problem, the only way out if this: Apply opposit rudder, full throttle and gently pull her out. It looked in fact like it got blown over by the wing or just was to slow first :D

[@Thercgeek]

That’s entirely possible. I really didn’t do well accounting for the increased wind in terms of airspeed for the turn.

[@av8tore71]

Hedge apples they keep spiders out of your house! It really works too!!

[@Thercgeek]

Good to know!

[@paulhatcher9767]

I hate to see that! It can and does happen to all of us.

[@Thercgeek]

It does indeed!

[@jlester42]

Ahhh. Turned the Great Pumpkin into Pie ! 🥧 Sorry about the loss.

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, I love pumpkin pie! 🤣

[@LOSCABOSLIFE]

Probably the failure of the servo. Unlike a fixed elevator surface, a flying elevator takes a lot more pressure. This is why on any flying elevator, I always upgrade the servo(s). It happened to me once and ever since all my jets with flying elevators have high Torque servos. Eg: Mig-29, F4, SU30, F16, F18, T45, etc. I don't take any chances anymore and have yet to have this problem. So long Great Pumpkin, RIP.

[@brentheilman8910]

My dads lives on a river and has tons of those green hedge apples? Anyhow i guess the only thing they are good for is keeping spiders away, they dont like them.

[@lw216316]

the Squirrels at this rc field love hedge apples; humans do not, but they're not poisonous. As a boy living near a stream I loved throwing them into the water and hearing them go " ker-plunk" and then float to the top.

[@ProjectMercuryMarauder]

Looks like when you turned base the wind was at your tail so you were going slow mid turn, and you entered a typical accelerated stall spin. The elevator servomechanism was likely fine until after the crash where it briefly lost communication with the transmitter leaving it in a up elevator command burning up the the servo.

[@Thercgeek]

Yeah, I most likely was just too slow for the conditions.

[@6StringPassion.]

Death, taxes, and the expiration date on every RC plane.

[@Thercgeek]

Haha, indeed!

[@akenedy]

All the more reason to design models with redundancy built in. Dual elevator servos is a must if you want to have any real chance of landing the model without damage in the event of an elevator servo failure. Equally with ailerons, which today is typical practice. Rudder is not as crucial, but ganging dual servos on rudder is never a bad idea. Powerful servos in small sizes now make all of this easy to achieve without adding undue amounts of additional weight. An experienced modeler like you already knows all of this, so this is for the newbies.

[@hughwiedman9711]

Always loved your Pumpkin, sad to see if go! I've got 2 of these F4'S still flying, both with your burners and 12 blade 6S inrunners, one repainted to a Blue Angel and the other to a "Key West" Sundower of my own design but know they won't last forever. Had a problem with one elevator's set screw coming loose recently, rolled violently and somehow eneded up full throttle hovering 3 feet off the ground, and set it down on its tail, no damage. Shoulda been it's expiration date but lives to fight another day, now with SMC'S new HiV 6200 packs which may hasten it's ultimate demise. 🤣 Hope you resurrect it for next Halloween!

[@Thercgeek]

Oh man, nice save!

[@robertcovell2787]

Just my 2 cents; I've never been comfortable with the small cheap servos in electric foamys. I mostly build my own planes from wood and use Futaba standard servos but I've had a few failures with the few foamys I've owned. Never had a failure with standard size Futaba's even in a big gasser

[@Thercgeek]

I hear you there. Plus, when building your own airframe you have control over everything that goes into it which is ideal.

[@mrhilma]

Every servo has its expiration date I suppose. The TX could record a servo actuation count with a model profile and in some brighter future, it could tell you when to replace the unit. So sorry about the GP Phantom.

[@turbonitropetador]

rip

[@airman9820]

Yeah first thing I did when I got my F4 was replace the tail servo, had heard of failures. Where is your field located, I have thought of moving to Tennessee but didn't look like there were many flying fields in that state. Yours looks pretty nice from what I can tell.

[@Thercgeek]

This actually was an upgraded servo that I had in there. This field is at cane ridge park in the outskirts of Nashville. Great spot with a great group of guys!

[@airman9820]

@@Thercgeek Looks like a nice field. Will try and make the jet event next year, little over 3 hrs away. Do you need the park permit to fly at a event?

[@lw216316]

@@airman9820 Come fly with us and you will be considered our guest and covered by our permits - you will need AMA of course - in case your great pumpkin lands on someone's toe !

[@PiratePrincessYuki]

My dad who used to fly the real F-4’s watches these videos with me. He says… oh yeah, go with the E.

[@humbertomontalban3932]

You stalled the plane, servo was good, you said you pull hard in the elevator and you can see in the middle of the dive the plane actually point the nose level 5:46 minute and you give up in the throttle nose when back down and caput . That happen to me exactly the same with the same aircraft, exactly the same during landing with flaps, but when the nose when down I pull the elevator and full throttle, the plane when nose up falling down like 3D hover, then I eased the elevator gently to level the nose, still full power and try to get speed on the wing to get out, the plane was save. Never ever lower flaps on the phantom on a turn, always only when he is straight with the runway, yes we do it 100’s of times, but just that day disaster’s strokes. Sorry for you lost.

[@jamesbrown7758]

Oh man, that sucks! You’re just the guy to get her resurrected though! Expiration dates, man ain’t that the truth! Was hoping to run into you yesterday, (Friday), perfect flying weather. I’ve recently switched to cane ridge from Edwin Warner. I’m really enjoying the group of guys!

[@Thercgeek]

Unfortunately haven’t been able to get to the field much of late. Hoping to get out there next Saturday if I can.

[@45035]

Now I know what to tell the guys why my next crash happens. YAY!

[@Thercgeek]

Haha! Well, these are the excuses in descending order since obviously it is never the fault of the pilot! 🤣 1. It was the radio 2. It was a servo failure 3. It was a mechanical failure 4. There was a sunspot that resulted in crash causing radiation! 5. A dog attacked me while flying Etc. You get the idea. 🤣

[@Flight6677]

I had a Freewing F4 crash very similar. I believe you stalled her.

[@Thercgeek]

Entirely possible

[@davidsnyder238]

I won't armchair what happened. Servo or airspeed, either could have been the culprit. I pancaked one of mine a while back in a similar fashion but mine was airspeed. Loved your LU hat. I live not far from there! Rip great pumpkin.

[@Thercgeek]

Oh cool! My daughter is going to college there. 😊

[@davidsnyder238]

@@Thercgeek my wife is an alum. Im only 40 ish minutes away. We need to catch up next time your up this way! Id love to see you!

[@DonaldReynoldsII]

Service intervals for servos would have saved many of my aircraft ....recent aileron servo fail put my whistling death into the ground

[@Thercgeek]

Yeah, preventive maintenance is always good…which I didn’t do before this flight. 😬

[@DonaldReynoldsII]

@@Thercgeek my fails begin long before i get in the air lol

[@jcb6713]

sad too see...carry on Charlie Brown 👍

[@Thercgeek]

Carrying on…🎃 🤣

[@iotaprime2892]

Observing Robert Petrincic's crash of the ME-262, it stalled when at a similar downwind to base zone of flight. Also, there's a P-38 stall-spin vid where the guy miraculously pulls it out. Again, the aircraft was quite distant. I'm considering the possibility there's a tendency to slow down when the aircraft is distant. I don't understand the reasons. We do know there's better mental connection/feedback with the plane when it is in closer proximity. I jockey the throttle continuously through flight, adjusting to ascent, descent and turns. So I may be more vulnerable to an under-throttle mistake. More of a beginner pilot stays safe keeping the throttle above 1/2 or normal cruise and adjusting less. But what happens when we're thinking about slowing down for landing? Could I dumb-thumb the throttle? Is it more likely when the plane is distant? I'm practicing better throttle awareness by taking a lesson from flights shared on KZbin. So Thanks! p.s. It was the SERVO!

[@robw8703]

Thanks for an honest debrief on this one. I see you installed a Castle ESC as well. Any comment on preference between the Talon and Phoenix Edge Lite series and why you chose one over the other?

[@Thercgeek]

I went for the cc edge esc because that’s what I had. They’re good and so are the Talon esc’s too.

[@capt998]

I know you know but the F4 is infamous for getting way too draggy when the gear and flaps are down. I maidened a friend's FW 6S F4 and used only 3/8" down flaps on landing, this thing is like a surf board if the nose pitches up a bit. On the down leg, I did see your F4 slow down and pitch up a bit going slow but then nose went down a bit and it picked up some speed. Assuming Full Flaps were used on the down leg (I think I saw them deployed at the beginning of the video and they looked like almost 75 degrees down?) and watching the slow mo video, it looks like a typical F4 stall but then it recovered from the first stall into a level flight for a split second, Elev servo still working well, but now it's going way too slow so it stalled again and I didn't hear the EDF coming up to speed till almost impact. It's very possible the Elev servo got damaged from the impact and being stuck in the bushes. Hopefully you get it fixed! Thx for sharing.

[@stetsonpowers5589]

They all have a number, whether you decide to hang it or push for one more flight determines the outcome.

[@Thercgeek]

True story!

[@michaelintoronto1]

Flaps deployed too soon, and flying too slow without the nose down, are a common cause of this type of crash.

[@arthursizemore6663]

Sorry this happen, love that jet! Must rebuild can’t be without a Phantom!

[@Thercgeek]

I really did enjoy that airplane, so she’ll rise again. Just not right now.

[@joachimschott4690]

Hello, I think its just an aerodynamic Problem. -The Wing needs a Twist of 3 to 6 degrees! In German Language it is called " Schränkung" or "Flächenverwindung". I am not Sure about the English Word. - Good Luck in Future, Greetings from Germany.

[@WadoF22]

Sorry dude...Christmas🎅 is just around the corner. Will put in a good word👍

[@Thercgeek]

Please do! 😁