"THERE ARE BETTER WAYS!" Simon REVEALS FFP Solution 🔥📈 Simon & Souness | Episode Fifteen

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[@andrewharrison7767]

For context - nufc are only 9 points behind their position last season, despite a massive injury list & playing in europe for the first time; during nov - dec we were limited to playing the same 11 for 6 consecutive games. We had 14 draws, whereas they've been split between wins & losses; our 5 draws this year came before October last season - last season's 5 losses came by game 15

[@villa_fan8882]

You could say the same about Villa. Not only Newcastle have had a bad injury record this season.

[@andrewharrison7767]

@@villa_fan8882 not even close - table from march shows villa lost 500 days fewer to march 1st; the injury list since then has grown by 2 acl's, among 9 other injuries. Meanwhile villa's has shrunk from 6

[@jamesmilligan2797]

​@@villa_fan8882come on fella, Villa havnt had a third of the injuries Newcastle have, fact

[@MrBarry465]

Agree with Jordan, the way FFP is administered now is a load of nosense. Should be the same rules for every team, regardless of size.

[@westindiman]

I dont agree it should be the same rules for every team, some clubs need protecting from themselves.

[@MrBarry465]

@@westindiman Rubbish, what sort of compeititon is it if there are different rules applied?

[@westindiman]

@@MrBarry465 I respect your opnion mate, take care.

[@JP-Esq]

Just put in the NBA tax system. For examples sake, assume PL clubs total revenue for a year is 10bn. If the long term aim for UEFA is 70% cost ratio, use 7bn as the marker. Divide by 20 clubs means 350m tax line for each club. Every club has the option (but not the obligation) to go over the 350m threshold. But for every £ that is spent beyond it, a further £ is taxed on the club. The total tax funds are then distributed to every team that didn't pay any tax. Some of it can also be sent further down the pyramid. This way, you can still entice more money into the league, you don't place a cap on ambition and the smaller paying clubs have an increased benefit making things more sustainable. No points deduction cases and arguments. People get to run their own clubs however they want. If teams want to "buy the title" they can try, but in doing so it not only gets more and more expensive but they directly finance their opposition too.

[@Kyleterp1]

NBA luxury tax has a soft cap number that every team follows and tv money is equally distributed. Clubs need to step up and not pay the agents. That wil help out with this outrageous spending

[@JP-Esq]

@@Kyleterp1 indeed, the NBA does have a soft cap, and then has two separate tax levels (called "aprons"). Teams require exceptions to spend over the cap. The salary cap is a non starter though for the Premier League as European competition would be hurt (the NBA being a closed league this doesn't matter for them.) No need to have the very complicated cap part though, just introduce the luxury tax section. If the Saudis (for example) want to spend £5bn in a season, fine. Itll mean more money for nearly everybody else, especially smaller clubs, the very thing the current psr rules are intended to protect.

[@galazore]

Sounds all well and good, but we're talking about actual NATIONS owning clubs. They'll happily pay the tax and do it again next year, while smaller clubs will be lagging just as far behind, if not more. Players prices will skyrocket even more. The fucked up when they allowed state owned clubs, and allowed unchecked spending to begin with.

[@Marais-cu3vo]

Okay, we went from 4th to 6th. The media is talking about Newcastle like we are about to be relegated.

[@christymclaughlin618]

Newcastle Sitting 6th even with all the injuries. If we finish the season as is it should be seen as a better achievment than last season

[@villa_fan8882]

What about Villa performance this season? Villa have just as many injury’s this season and they don’t have the strength in depth as you! What Villa have done this season eclipse what Newcastle did this season and last season. Villa also have lots of money yet we never hear about the fact that we have to comply with FFP.

[@christymclaughlin618]

Meant in terms of Eddie Howe as a manager

[@bendavidjohn]

They are still 6th with the one of the worst injury records in PL history. I don’t think he’s underachieving really? Surely if they had less injuries they’d be in or around 4th?

[@villa_fan8882]

Villa have just as bad of an injury record. Using your logic Villa would be fighting for the title if they did not have so many injury’s. It’s a flawed logic to use. Newcastle have better strength in depth than Villa, also. So they would be winning the league if they had Newcastle strength in depth.

[@bendavidjohn]

@@villa_fan8882 If that were true, fair enough - but it just isn't. Newcastle are currently missing 11 players, Villa - 5. Newcastle have had players missing for a total of 1333 days so far this season, Villa - 806. Don't let facts get in the way of the point you're trying to make though fella... Oh and you saw first hand what we could do with a full squad on the first day of the season :) *stats were accurate as of 1/03/24*

[@villa_fan8882]

@@bendavidjohn The players you have lost are not as influential as the villa players. Mings, Kamara, Buendia, Ramsey are all starters for us, most of them have been missing all season. We have also been without Careless, Pau, Moreno, Digne and Cash from big chunks of the season! We don’t have the depth of you guys but you don’t hear the villa fans constantly moaning on TS every day! I am only bringing up our injuries because of the conversation with yourself. All we hear is Newcastle fans moaning about things not being fair! Villa just get on with it and the proof is in the pudding, we have a smaller squad, you lot have spent nearly 300 mil since Eddie took over! You have even worked out how many days you have been without players this season. Stop focusing on what you haven’t got and focus on what you have got. But good luck to ya, I hope we both break into the top 4 over the next few years but you lot have to stop moaning. Villa have rich owners and we are having to navigate around FFP. We may not have as much money as you but we could easily go out and spend on whatever players Unai wanted. Even if you have had more injuries than us this season, deal with it and move on. You mentioned the first game of the season like that is a good barometer to base the season off! No, you base the season off where you finish. You guys lost 3-0 to Everton this season, are you going to say they are better than you because of 1 game! Stop looking at stats that go in your favour and focus on the league table as that is the only stat that counts!

[@bendavidjohn]

@@villa_fan8882 2 games btw, spanked you twice.

[@JamesBrown-uz9xx]

@@villa_fan8882You dont think wilson, joelinton, botman, pope, trippier, willock, almiron and 5 squad players is a worse injury list than those 5 players? 😂😂Obviously tonali but thats his own fault haha. Isak has been injured half the season schar has been in and out also

[@CJ-ih4oh]

If Eddie gets this team finishing in Europe again he deserves a medal

[@markrobinson1369]

Luton have spent a lot of money by our standards, We play exciting football, we have come out on the wrong side of some great games. As a Luton fan, I’m proud of what our club has done and is doing. We still have a spirit which the players and fans buy into, we don’t leave the ground with 10 minutes to go and we clap them off because they give 100% every game, and we haven’t cheated FFP to do it. 10 years ago to the day we were conference champions

[@frankford1115]

Watched a number of your games and you are right. Luton can play. I hope you stay up.

[@Forestfire1]

Agree but sadly at this level it's not enough and given the money coming into the club you could have spent a bit more. I'm guessing money gone to chairman and towards the ground when one more year in the PL would mean a lot more money. Simon makes a great point you have to allow teams to invest to stay up. championship is a whole different ballgame.

[@alexburrows2835]

Newcastle were not allowed to reinvest and build on what they had big boys dont want it and im talking about Liverpool united arsenal dont want it, its a disgrace and next season it will happen to villa just you watch

[@garytaf]

FFP actually devalues a clubs worth, if an investor can't improve things on the field,why would they invest, that's the whole point , successful competition grows the whole product, I see a club suing the football hierarchy.

[@darrenwarby32]

Couldn't agree more , Everton are being punished because they've spent 700 million on a fantastic new stadium (which they needed) and is a great improvement on the premier league as a hole and they are being punished for it , ridiculous.

[@tazzatamania]

So get rid of the TV deal as it is then. Give each club a share based on TV figures. The top 6 generate about 80% of all TV revenues yet receive an equal share with teams that generate next to nothing. I say no to this because the Premier League was meant to encourage competitiveness, so was FFP. Take these away and you've not got a competition any more.

[@jonholdsworth2772]

Simon Jordan massive fan but he still does not seem to get we have had more than 10 first teamers out consistently. It's not rocket science why the fall off this season.

[@itsmeprasad1987]

Liverpool or united

[@paultaylor9498]

Liverpool had twelve out at one stage, and lots of them missed a lot of games.. Strange the last 2 weeks. Most have come back from injury, and our form has dropped off. I get newcastle maybe havnt got the same squad, but they have spent loads of money since howe took over. Luton and Brighton even scumchester united have had lots of injuries. It's been very weird this season with so many players getting injuries.

[@andrewharrison7767]

our drop off is only 9 points lol - Jordan talks like we're getting relegated

[@bendavidjohn]

When was this even recorded? Seems odd to release this off the back of a 4-0 win against spurs when they sit in 6th?

[@DarnallDubois]

When was this filmed? Eddie's turning it around 🖤🤍🖤

[@im7895]

In my opinion if FFP is ever going to work salary caps have to be introduced, similar to US sports. That would make things more 'fair play' maybe not perfect but a start. However 'free market forces' may have an issue with that.

[@lfcspectre4335]

Sir Jordanite & Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts

[@stanh8071]

No debt no debt no debt.. Transfers paid in full

[@montanaprime]

Souness is more Logical than all these so called “be careful what you wish for merchants”.

[@Ligerpride]

Winter signings aren't always bad deals. Evra, Vidic, Van Dijk, Suarez....all of those were January transfers

[@brybry2104]

Reality is sacking Howe presents two problems. Finding someone better but also finding someone better is going to cost money in turn making ffp even worse for us. Eddies our man

[@craiglee3653]

Simon, you didn't think Eddie would keep us up! You also bet Jim White we would'nt make Europe. When are you going to learn your lesson and button it? Just loves to talk nonesense about Newcastle, his ratings must be low.

[@richardsather6010]

Thank you Simon!!! However you were not wanted to share your fix its.

[@joeisanastronaut]

Souness - THIS IS A SERIOUS CAKE

[@PatrickStarfishman]

This was all started to prevent clubs disappearing. Seems the best was would be to put the clubs, intellectual property and stadium into a status similar to listed building. Have a board of trustees that can revoke ownership by unanimous vote if the club is in administration. The owners effectively become owners of the rights to everything about the club up until administration allows the trustees to revoke ownership and put the club up for tender without the ownership having any rights or say in the matter. The government did this with Chelsea over abramovic, sot eh same could have been done for Portsmouth years ago and Bury more recently. This would at least have mitigated a lot of the pain and, in the worst case, the winding up of the club.

[@jonathanobyrne5539]

The style of football thing is not new. 10 years ago, I can recall supporters in the Conference complaining about the need for managerial change when an overachieving, newly promoted, part time were going from back to front in a league full of full time teams with up to 4 and 5 times the budget

[@drumvc8060]

Agree with different set of rules for newly promoted clubs, but Everton? - simply poor management, and does need some action

[@vincenzoniccoli1986]

I was wondering whether Graeme was gonna suggest that clubs should follow the Jock Stein model. After all he managed to win the European Cup with all young local players that he knew and barely spent any money at all. Not only was it beautiful football it was totally against the way teams played at the time.

[@graemesmith4735]

Do you think that Kompany is trying to do the same thing as Ange P, that is, being headstrong on a specific style/culture at the expense of playing the same brand of football most other teams play? Both managers have a lot of faith and had success with their methodologies but once you go to the next level (i.e. the EPL) they need the next level of player to carry on their philosophy - that takes a few transfer markets to implement. I would not be surprised to see Burnley back in the EPL for the 2025/26 season with a stronger squad playing the same style.

[@davidrobertson3829]

How can sourness say they should have known that "it would have been an open secret".... the landscape has changed massively now. No longer do players go in a bookies. You can place bets from you favourite seat in your living room without anyone knowing.

[@danhouw7972]

Taking advice on financial football matters from Simon Jordan is like asking Osama Bin Laden for advice on building skyscrapers.

[@yasssighs6034]

man talksport is just a big W

[@alfieb6711]

it’s a shame talksport have great shows like this and also dross like Rory Jennings

[@villa_fan8882]

It’s simple, watch the content you like and don’t watch the content you don’t like! The world does not revolve around what you want to watch! 🤦🏻 The entitlement by people today is cringe

[@flyoverfredusa]

S wrong about Burnley and Burnley fans, we have no expectations and don't care what league we are in. Championship is much more fun for supporters of any club

[@EdwardThomas-mn5vd]

Why doesn't Moshiri keep the new Stadium and just p.....off. All we want is a good football team!!!😂

[@deananderson-is7un]

After 4 years and 400mill spent moyes leaves us with the oldest and smallest squad in the prem

[@del8boy]

Fan since 1965 .50% unhappy split, you need to listen to the fans, not just to REDSPORT, Moyes Dire football, £400 mill + Spent. I have stopped going to wat my team, will go back once he has left. COYI Jordan take on Company not changing, but OK with Moyes not CHANGING.

[@charlie1872]

it really is a spectacle for your average football fan to be able to watch many of the world’s great players in the EPL. One problem is those teams coming up cannot compete due to budget restrictions. Another issue from an English perspective is the lack of opportunities for young players. Maybe it’s time to restrict the number of non British players?

[@Primitive01]

There is a restriction on the number of non British players.

[@charlie1872]

@primitive01 How many? There doesn’t seem to be too many British players playing in the top teams

[@Primitive01]

@@charlie1872 Google it.

[@Primitive01]

@@charlie1872 Look it up mate.

[@craigarkle1077]

Newcastle is all down to injuries. Willock missed pretty much the whole season injured while Joelinton has missed half the season which is 2/3 of the midfield while tonali has been banned so squad is weaker than last year while playing more tougher games. A lot of games not having any options from the bench has cost us and we have lost the most days to injury with a 17 year old having to play 18 times!

[@nalcedfury]

🐐’s

[@GIBBO4182]

FFP clearly isn’t fit for purpose as it stands. It needs changing

[@CNS1908]

So Talksport had to give Souness his own show....LOOOOL.

[@interstellarbeatteller9306]

⚽They should allow clubs to spend/lose more money, as long as the transfers are from within the UK - it would keep more money within UK football & allow teams to more leeway to try to compete💰

[@hssIceland]

You mean it would allow the Sky 6 to take who they wanted from whatever club they wanted? It would allow Newcastle to buy success just like Chelsea did and more recently Man City did? You really just want to repeat the mistakes of the past and get another financial bully in to the game! FFP doesn't work if all the clubs aren't sitting at the same table, and the fact that one team can spend 10 times more then another another team IN THE SAME LEAGUE in a single season suggest that.

[@interstellarbeatteller9306]

​@@hssIceland Nobody would be forced to sell players to the big six, unlike now, when clubs like Everton were forced to sell Gordon on the cheap to appease FFP.

[@interstellarbeatteller9306]

@@hssIceland Man Utd can spend more than 10x what Luton can, so how are the current FFP rules fair?

[@paultaylor9498]

If teams like newcastle continue to get European football, their finances will increase and then they will be able to spend more.

[@btaylor7226]

The fact is........weve had 11 1st teamers unavailable all season, that has seriously impacted us! You dont seem to understand that!

[@bulliboyz]

Why doesn’t Simon understand the concept of overachieving? In business you set targets and if it surpasses them,surely that’s overachieving. Jordan just doesn’t like giving credit to managers and players, but will give plaudits to his owner mates

[@bryngefferies7530]

His problem arise came when he took the Man Utd job on & he should have rejected it!

[@graemesmith4735]

Last year Newcastle did well because clubs like MANU, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, etc. played poorly. This year Tottenham, Liverpool, and Aston Villa have improved, and Newcastle have been hit with an unusual number of long-term injuries.

[@Primitive01]

Every team on earth “does well” because other teams are playing poorly, that’s how football works, always has and always will.. These modern ideas and statements are madness.. “Oh they done well because other teams were worse than them”, common sense is lacking.

[@djtone122]

I’d relegate and promote more teams to promote the wealth. maybe 5 up and down.

[@atowari]

Simon bashes Chelsea and their American owners and criticises them for trying to bring in their American ways. Now his brilliant idea for FFP is exactly what they do in the NBA. There’s a cap on spending; you can spend over the limit if you need to, but you pay a “luxury tax” on any amount spent above the threshold.

[@villa_fan8882]

But the current FFP regulations means the American way does not work as it stands! Having a luxury tax will only help the rich clubs anyway so it will not make the league more competitive. The best way to do it would be to allow every team to spend the same amount of money. That way, players would base their decision on who they want to play for, not just who will pay them the most money. It will also prevent teams like Man City from stock holding players.

[@stanh8071]

Football clubs are business what other business stops you investing get rid of ffp just take debt away

[@justablokepostingfunvids7137]

Lol ebt souness discussing ffp 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Jake97x]

Such a bad season being in 6th

[@dstewusa7054]

It’s become a farcical framework I’m afraid The Premier League is 25% Hunger Games 25% Hunger Games Media (Sky Sports) 25% Scripted Wrestling 25% Ted Lasso No transparency I’m done It’s rancid

[@MrBillUp]

It's a given Simon Jordan doesn't read these messages but I'll give it a go all the same. First and foremost, it isn't 10% of West Ham supporters that are sick of the sight of Moyes, its nearer 75% want him out. A very large majority. Why? Lets list a few reasons. Since he has been at the club, he has spent near on £450 Million on players. And what do we have to show for it? The second smallest squad in the league, The second oldest squad in the league. His total waste of club funds buying players and then having to sell them because they do not fit his system, or he just doesn't like them is outrageous. His attitude absolutely stinks. When everything is going well, it's all his idea, it's his tactics, it's his personality, its his man management. When everything is going bad, it's the players fault, it's the refs fault, it's the fans fault. In his eyes he cannot put a foot wrong. His tactics absolutely suck, or should I say tactic. His ultra low block. 11 men behind the ball in the hope we can keep the opposition from scoring. Hoping on the off chance we can punt the ball up to whoever has the unenviable task of trying to hold the ball up for players to break forward and try to score. When you have a team who can't pass forward for toffee, it is rare this happens. And he doesn't just do this against the big teams, it is every team in the league. His small squad he loves to work with. He puts the same 11 players on the pitch every game barring injuries. And when it comes to making subs, he brings the same players on at the same time of the game, with no change of system, or tactic, and it is usually a defensive player, winning or losing. His substitutes or lack of has cost us so many points. And lets talk about players he falls out with and refuses to play. Cornet for instance. A great player who upset Moyes, and now can't get a sniff of a game. Even if we need an attacking players on the pitch, nope he brings on a defender to play up the top of the pitch. The youth squad, well forget it lads, you're not getting a game while Moyes is in charge. Unless we are down to the bare bones and no way of fielding 11 players. We have one of the very best youth teams in the world, all being wasted. And then we have the lack of wanting to work with other members of staff like Tim Steidten. One of the best DoF's in Europe. No Moyes has to be in charge. He wants to write the theme tune, sign the theme tune, play the theme tune. This is just a few of the reasons we want him gone. Thanks for the Europa Conference League win Dave. We were the best, and most expensive team in the competition by a country mile, and if we hadn't have won it would have been an absolute travesty. And thanks for the top 10 finishes. That is what £450 Million buys you. Over the 4 year rebuild Moyes has presided over, the team now needs another complete rebuild. No way does Moyes deserve to spend another penny of the owners money.

[@paultaylor9498]

It's not rocket science Tell clubs they can only spend what they earn and no debt it's quite simple. Or let them spend what they like, but if they get into financial trouble, relegate them to league one or two. It's really not rocket science

[@Newerasamearea]

That's basically an extension of the current system, which isn't working. A salary cap would work better.

[@paultaylor9498]

@@Newerasamearea what about transfers

[@paultaylor9498]

@Newerasamearea it's not an extension of the current ffp. The current ffp rule teams are allowed to have a certain amount of debt.

[@Newerasamearea]

@paultaylor9498 that's what I meant by extension. Reducing debt threshold is "extending" principal of spending within your means. And auto relegation is extending the principle of points deduction.

[@Newerasamearea]

@paultaylor9498 I think the problem there will be a challenge in courts around restriction of trade. But yeah it's a good avenue to explore.

[@markdfly]

Here is a list of teams west ham have played in Europe last 2 seasons. Viborg, FCSB, Silkeborg, Lanaca, Gent, AZalkmar, Fiorentina, TSC baka topola, Freidberg, Olympics, Friedberg, Leverkusen. Hardly Europe's best is it. Moyes in 4 years has spent over 400 million to assemble the smallest and oldest Squad in the league. He plays boring cowardly football, doesn't give youth a chance and flogs the same 12, 13 players week in week out. West ham need a rebuild in the summer he isn't the man to do it. Why doesn't anybody talk about Tim Steinten in the media? You know the man that bought Kudus,Alverez and Dino to the club and the man that will be in charge of our rebuild its like he doesn't exist. 🤔. Moyes fan boys the lot of you.

[@danielpears5853]

Souness was the worst nufc manager in my lifetime. No surprise his football takes are often wide of the mark

[@albertbell7120]

He’s by far not the worst I’ve… had to watch at SJP believe me we’ve had some shite … but saying that he was shite.

[@edavis6077]

David Moyes is a cancer for a club. he is completely unsustainable. ignores half his squad and only makes good players worse. YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT WATCH

[@skshrest]

115

[@keithb1495]

Graham is a dinosaur 😂

[@13leaguestotwomorethanyou]

I agree with ffp but the current system needs revision

[@kooler8586]

Who going to get the interest of this billion pound?

[@mnb9162]

Simon: 'I would look at it through a Pryzm within a framwork to establish a landscape in which I give myself a sense of importance.... Otherwise I will just fall into the same category as everyone else... An attention seeking disk jockey craving validation'

[@acap56789]

I know it's only meant to be entertainment. But these two with all their experience dont have a clue. The elephant in the room is the top 4 or 6 monopoly, using ffp now to restrict other teams progressing. Once PIF solve the this ridiculous problem so they can fully back Eddie, so he can strengthen the squad...... We will be right at the top winning things with a brand of football we all want to watch.

[@billiamballace2246]

No 1 cares about what sourness says about Newcastle

[@villa_fan8882]

Yet you watched the video to hear his opinion! Basically, you didn’t like what he said so you think he does not know what he is talking about! Why watch the video if you do not value his opinion?

[@billiamballace2246]

@@villa_fan8882 just Coz u say I watched it doesn't make it so, I just wanted to call him sourness, Coz he is sour. Anyway hope u qualify for champs league before man ure n spuds :)

[@villa_fan8882]

@@billiamballace2246 Fair play, mate. 👍🏻

[@mikewhoelse]

Foolish Simon. Actually thinks that they care about sustainability

[@adammohamed..]

The next 5 clubs after City have won 1 league title between them in 20 years. Everyone has money in the Premier league , because of our incredible TV deals. It’s how you spend it. So why add a nation state with unlimited money or a Russian oligarch on top of that? Their motives are create an image of themselves by throwing money at a football team. And dumb fans lap it up but the consequences for clubs trying to challenge them could be fatal. The past 20 years have been dominated by Abramovich and Abu Dhabi, the only stop gab was when United had the greatest player of all time who briefly disrupted that from 06/09.

[@Primitive01]

?? United missed out on the title in 2010 by a point, won it in 2011, missed out in 2012 on GD, and won it in 2013 with a record amount of games to spare.. United being so good was down to far more than the SECOND best player ever.. They were 2 results away from winning the league 7 years in a row.

[@adammohamed..]

@@Primitive01 but they still lost to Abramovich and oil money in 2010 & 2012. And if you remember correctly, United was shocking in 2011 and 2013 , those four years from 2010-16 the Premier league wasn’t that strong and it culminated with “Leicester” winning the league in 2016. And the nation state returned like theEmpire in Star Wars and spent another £500m, and hired the GOAT And here we are today. Football has been declined since the end of the noughts. Just look at international where’s the great Italian players? Where’s the great Dutch plays? Where’s the great German players, or the great Brazilian players.

[@kevinlemon6537]

Sourness talks pure football . Jordan doesn't .

[@1purpose482]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@colonelwatts]

lol

[@albertbell7120]

Wrong place mate keep politics out of sport … if you want to free them get yourself to Gaza

[@thefxautopilot]

Yeah but what's his signing on fee?

[@Mohawkmike]

Stop beeping a swear word it's 2024!