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[@chrissedgwick8635]

The distinction between "I lie in bed awake at night" and what Woolie said, which is "I sleep in bed at night with my eyes open" is phenomenal

[@Dabednego]

It's a keto thing. You wouldn't understand

[@spencechan]

You know, it's true. I can't guilt-free enjoy anything, anymore. Not even this podcast, because I just found out that Woolie : - is a liar - stole someone's pie - killed a guy All of this was extensively documented, years ago. Also, Pat litters and we should continue to give him shit for it.

[@Revan058]

Not just litters. Litters for his *amusement* . It's honestly actually pretty fucked up, and you're right, he should get literally endless shit about it.

[@Ultimaniacx4]

Don't forget the physical abuse Matt endured while doing 2bfp with Pat all those years. He'd always hit him with his controller if he didn't like being the butt of Matt's jokes, but he was allowed to abuse and put down Matt all the time.

[@megamike15]

pat and matt broke up so obviously you can't watch their stand alone content anymore.

[@kevincullen6627]

So the John deere strike was actually a little more complicated,the strike happen right before winter which is when the company gets backlogged with orders and repairs for next season and do to decades of consolidation they had almost no wiggle room to fuck around otherwise the agricultural sector that almost have a monopoly on for larger equipment would get fucked,so timing of the stike played a key role in its success

[@BossKowbel]

As a John Deere employee (not at one of the factories on strike), I can confirm that winter is indeed our busy season and is where we see our highest turnover in contract employees. We understandably struggled to find new faces to fill the gaps in skilled manpower, but the recent strikes have reverberated throughout the factories that aren’t unionized, too. For instance, the plant I work at is now evaluating pay raises twice a year (instead of once) and has handed out almost $10,000 in bonuses within the last five weeks.

[@kevincullen6627]

@@BossKowbel Thats awesome dude

[@DairunCates]

Attempting to ethically consume products by my own code of ethics is a form of mental exercise. Just like I can't completely avoid junk food and pizza in real life, I can't completely avoid bad ethical dilemmas with my game consumption. It doesn't matter if I can't be perfect though. I'm doing this for myself and my own peace of mind as a person. I'm exercising my ethical muscles, because I want to be healthy for me. It doesn't really matter if my boycotts of Ubisoft and Activision-Blizzard won't destroy their company. I was never under the false belief that my sale would change any minds in corporate America. I am just avoiding those companies to be a consistent person that sticks to my own personal beliefs. I may fuck up on my ethical diet from time to time because I just don'thave access to enough neutral or good options, but I'm not going out of my way to eat as much garbage as possible out of spite. I'm still making conscious decisions instead of just giving into fatalism.

[@originalscreenname44]

Exactly this. People don’t understand that not purchasing from bad actors has intrinsic benefits and only want to focus on the extrinsic possibilities, which is just not going to help. I don’t buy from Ubisoft, Activision, EA, Bethesda, WB Games, TakeTwo strictly because I don’t agree with the business practices for their games. And sure, Pat’s right about it being easy when they don’t make things you want because I only really care about maybe one franchise from each of these companies, but I don’t want to buy from them because they’ve made it very obvious they only want to keep their hands in my wallet after purchase. The only thing you can do is purchase what is comfortable for you. I only say things to people who are directly impacted by a company’s bad practices and still continue to give them their money.

[@mayuzanevideos]

Same here. I do what I'm doing because it's what I want to be. I can't be perfect but I'm not giving up.

[@Americanbadashh]

@@Dan-Ky-Kong judging them oh how horrible, shaking your head at others is totally an immoral thing ... oh wait, no it isn't

[@shupasopni]

@@originalscreenname44 What benefits does not purchasing the "bad" (I'm assuming you mean immoral) product provide for anyone? Are you saying you should inly boycott out of a need to not be directly fucked by a company? Your example doesn't make sense in any other context because it sounds like you are boycotting due to how these companies try to fleece *you* specifically, but that sounds like a different argument from the one about the ethical choices you may or may not be able to make as a consumer.

[@originalscreenname44]

@@shupasopni I can't tell what intrinsic benefits are going to be for someone because they differ from person to person, but I can explain mine. I mentioned why I don't buy from those companies because that's my reasoning and it still comes with the same people acting as if it's not a reason at all. For me, I know I've saved money by not buying games from those companies that would give me a bad product on purpose. That means when something like GTA Definitive Edition or Battlefield 2042 come out, I'm not someone who has to deal with the shitstorm. It also makes me less likely to succumb to FOMO because I already have the thought that that company is going to fuck me over In my head due to their past actions. Now it does fit the conversation because that is why I boycott specifically for myself. I don't like to support methods of hypercapitalism where the only goal is to continually take people's money without putting in the effort to even get it in the first place. People can boycott for whatever reason they want (some of them are stupid, but it's their money so who cares). Each person gets a certain intrinsic benefit of not supporting a company that doesn't do things they support. What that is is going to be different from person to person.

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

Woolie's moral meltdown and pat's histerical laughing were perfect. Great episode.

[@BulborbStan]

A video title practically created to start arguments in the comments.

[@k.-flynn]

I disagree, this comment section is perfectly agreeable

[@BulborbStan]

@@k.-flynn That's the spirit!

[@k.-flynn]

@@BulborbStan how dare you, my father was killed by a spirit

[@Americanbadashh]

Woolie knows how to play the youtube algorithm and I don't blame him. He needs to afford those pies after all

[@originalscreenname44]

@@Americanbadashh he said he has to cut back on the pie lest he succumb to the ‘beetus. Luckily for him, he has access to universal healthcare instead of a system that would rather let you die than give you life saving medicine at an affordable price.

[@solrabbit4135]

I share Woolie’s sentiment you can enjoy works made by bad people, just acknowledge how the sausage was made.

[@majdjinn5042]

At that point just say you don't care. Why extend it any further than that, ultimately thats all it is. You do not have to take part at all.

[@Sercotani]

@@majdjinn5042 yea...not much we can do individually to change things, but acknowledging how good thing was made by bad thing is the least anyone can do, so there's that.

[@Americanbadashh]

You can I'm just going to judge you for it

[@josephlien8875]

It's like I love HP Lovecraft's work, but the guy was an ultra-racist weirdo.

[@Skozerny]

@@majdjinn5042 You can even care, but just admit that the utility that the work provides to you overrides the utility of not enjoying that work and doing a stand against the process.

[@Havocfang2]

It's literally everything. You've had controversial people on the podcast in the past. You've promoted games/companies/products that have troubling aspects. These things are unavoidable across a long enough timeline. Sometimes those aspects are small - 'one staff member did something bad' - sometimes it's something big - 'widespread abuse claims'. You can't attach yourself to any sizable organisation or population without getting some dirt falling one or two steps away from you. Doesn't help that these events are almost always incredibly simplified and decontextualised into digestible tidbits. Try not to be evil. Just try. Maybe you'll not do too bad.

[@crybirb]

I mean they have a controversial person every podcast, Pat is a goblin.

[@just_matt214]

Yeah, i can't believe they've had Pat on the podcast for so long.

[@blueblazer9991]

I do think doing a Genshin impact sponsor one week followed by "gacha is morally wrong and promoting it is wrong" speech the next week was a little fucked tho

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

Exactly, you take the good with the bad, it's cool these games are being made and can be enjoyed, but how some are created, not to mention some of the stuff they encourage, is rough, kind of like famous celebrities who brought such good entertainment or charity to the world while also having an egregious reputation. It really is the "duality/multiplicity" thing in full bore, unhinged, absolutely two-faced damn near everywhere, endless, inescapable cognitive dissonance. I mean, I don't blame Woolie or Pat very much, as Square Enix deals in FFXIV, Respawn being funded and distributed by EA, FromSoft under Activision for so long, not to mention the earlier/classic games of many major brands.... I've been cruel and demanding, but also generous and loving, hopefully more the latter recently. Local or independent anything helps ease the conscience, potential for ethical help. The political side gets infinitely more unbearable, as the "bad" ones cast a pall over the rest of a crew or associated whatever. That "punish everybody for one, apple ruins the batch" mentality is also unfortunately applied to age groups, gender, social media, fandoms, opinions, companies, socioeconomic status, veterans, immigrants, race.... Countless stereotypes and prejudice, seemingly unending, a constant of the universe, it seems sometimes. That in general I will call out or step off of, actively avoid by going for more constructive, less presumptous routes, but the "ethical consumption" conundrum/cognitive dissonance I won't fight that much anymore, I feel strangely too exposed to that these days, the opposite of my wide-eyed, naive, impossibly uninformed childhood. To fix this problem of me helping the you-know-what canceled companies or people, I'll likely be supporting even harder/more enthusiastically the causes, influencers, and companies I feel good or at least better about than most, not simply political, far from that, probably, because politics are so easy to demonize and sandbag others' accomplishments, charity, character based on those disagreements, even as left as I am. I like to think my artistic preferences lean pretty okay, in terms of especially taste and *somewhat* in the ever-important ethics category.

[@DragoonBoom]

Who are these controversial people they've had on podcasts???

[@darkmega97]

I hope we never find out about Pat's deep dark secrets. I want to keep consuming this podcast

[@funaccount7665]

I wouldn't call this a dark secret but there's a recording of him playing a game and calling someone a f*ggot floating around the internet that I've heard.

[@iller3]

@@funaccount7665 If you're implying that's a cancel-worthy behavior, then you're just admitting to your own irrelevance. ... The same people who thought PewdiePie's popularity was over and done with only ended up isolating **themselves**

[@funaccount7665]

@@iller3 no I'm just saying that's it's just a secret most people don't know about I'm not trying to cancel anyone might want to try properly reading before you type next time pal.

[@sebastianbarrios7288]

But we know about his evil despicable deeds, he litters.

[@xyanide1986]

I'm pretty sure closet cakes are morally abhorrent

[@richnolan2744]

We here at Shinra will do better in the future.

[@zztzgza]

(Drops sector 7 plate).

[@lolbuster01]

Weyland Yutani acknowledges your efforts and shall support you though these difficult times.

[@CrimsonKamina]

Reminder, to watch the podcast on twitch you are consuming Amazon

[@zztzgza]

And commenting on KZbin means you're consuming Alphabet.

[@damien1065]

If you’re using lithium batteries you’re consuming conflict minerals

[@SaberRexZealot]

If you’re exhaling carbon dioxide you’re inhaling oxygen

[@TheDapperDragon]

And check out their twitters

[@grandarkfang_1482]

In other words, this entire conversation is pointless.

[@masterxl97]

Don’t let this 40-minute clip fool you. A solid half of this nearly 5-hour podcast was these two having an existential crisis at the realization that the world is a terrible place and everything can only be acquired at the expense of someone and something else.

[@music79075]

@@MattMatt77 How "Woke" is Pat btw?

[@abarainosa]

@@MattMatt77 "Wah pat has a moral compass, wahhhhh."

[@Americanbadashh]

@@MattMatt77 Pat's not Woke, he's practically anti-woke

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@Americanbadashh he's bargin bin Sterling. When even the original Sterling ain't shit

[@jack04man20]

@@MattMatt77 I really doubt pat said that. Can you provide a clip or a link of him saying that?

[@burgerbun2590]

Woolie explains why it's ok for him to play KOF for 41 mins

[@Americanbadashh]

Totally a normal thing you need to do when it's actually ok, and there's nothing wrong with it /s

[@note4note804]

Hey now, that's not fair. He wasn't playing KOF for 41 minutes. He earning revenue by advertising KOF for 41 minutes. Way worse.

[@johnc7389]

I love how it's like SNK: Murder Riot: Sex Offenders Bliz: Sex Offenders -and then Capcom is in there with some plagiarized art, like that's even on the same spectrum of bad.

[@Necrikus]

It's such a complicated issue. I'd like to assume most of the people that work in these companies are good people, but corporate culture allows for bad people to rise to positions of power because they are willing to do things the good people wouldn't. So on one hand, I could be supporting the good ones with the unfortunate side-effect of benefitting the bad ones. But on the other hand, by inadvertantly supporting the bad ones, I'm vindicating their bad practices. I'm just some random NEET on the internet, I shouldn't be taking part in a complex, philisophical conundrum.

[@Americanbadashh]

You're a person with value, don't let your NEET status make you think otherwise.

[@magickoopa24]

Decent conversation, all things considered. Something that must be said, though: boycotting is all well and good, but it doesn't have to be the only viable way of going against a company. Specifically, if a company has employees on strike, /listen to their requests/. It's very possible there's a Worker's Fund one can donate to, or some other list of things that fans can do to support them. I feel too many people just boycott something and do nothing else but shame those who aren't boycotting, when there's definitely more substantial they can do. Hell, I've seen cases where employees want players to still buy the games, and people don't know about it because they just do what's easy for them. Always make sure to support the workers, especially in cases like this

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

Makes sense. It seems moral to boycott a game that horrible crunch. But if you don't play it, all of the work the devs suffered through goes to waste

[@magickoopa24]

@@TAMAMO-VIRUS I think in the case I mentioned it was more "hey if you increase demand when there's no one working there, that'll be pressure on the higher ups to do something about it." I'm a little hazy but it was more than just them wanting people to appreciate their designs.

[@jamesmccomb9525]

You shouldn't have to subsidise the fair pay that employees deserve. Keep that money to yourself and don't give the businesses an out.

[@magickoopa24]

@@jamesmccomb9525 not what a Workers Fund is in my understanding, but something given to striking workers who aren't earning pay. If that's wrong and the money is going through to the company, then I stand corrected, but I still think listening to what the workers request is top priority

[@jamesmccomb9525]

@@magickoopa24 I'm just saying that if people are striking for an increased pay, then the only solution is to get that pushed through the corporate beaurocracy, otherwise there'll be strikes again the next year when the company still refuses to pay them properly.

[@chuca77]

Oh boy another fun podcast to listen to, surely this will get my mind off the bad things in the world (40 minutes later) Everything I enjoy is evil

[@grandarkfang_1482]

No it isn't, that's just a bunch of bullshit said by people who can't understand that the world runs on "give and take," and always has. Doesn't mean you'll be giving more than you're taking or vice versa.

[@Diinytro]

​@@grandarkfang_1482 Does ignoring and/or covering up rapists and suicides count as part of the "give and take"? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that this issue is much more complicated.

[@chuca77]

@@Diinytro Yea the rapists are the give and the victims are the take, and if you let it happen you get WoW: Reforged But being yea I'll say he's wrong, anyone who listened to this podcast and took away that needs help.

[@Diinytro]

@Gwapa snuna ...Did you not watch the video?

[@clanofclams2720]

@Gwapa snuna Activision Blizzard.

[@Toanon]

I feel like I should remind everyone that last week, the podcast was *sponsored* by Arcane

[@zztzgza]

Can't really blame them but, you can blame Woolie for picking the sponsor lol.

[@jpatel0398]

They fully acknowledge that this episode

[@grandarkfang_1482]

That's fucking hilarious.

[@bobx9000]

Yeah, I think there's a significant difference between, say, watching a show by Riot and actively advertising for them that they don't really acknowledge much beyond "everyone has to draw their own conclusions" lip-service. I get that you can't absolve yourself from this shit completely without living in a shack in the woods, but being at least a little choosy with your sponsorship deals doesn't seem like a huge ask.

[@carbide4458]

Can't tell Vi from Jinx... Vi actually has her name... tattooed on her face.

[@QuasarKnightGaming]

All he knows is Vergil and Red Vergil

[@zztzgza]

They're different color schemes with different hair colors, Vi has robot fists, Jinx has a big gun. Woolie's either blind or dumb.

[@jfp4life]

@@zztzgza or maybe, you know, doesn't care about League

[@emerl298]

@@zztzgza Why not both?

[@YetAnotherdudeAgain]

Yea as someone who also doesn't play or watch League of Legends the two characters don't look similar like Jinx and Caitlin or whatever that I'd get

[@zigmus00A]

"The Ones who walk away from Omelas," except it's worse then you realized.

[@jackpollard550]

“The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas” but Bobby Kotick is the President.

[@profeseurchemical]

its everybody, but there are degrees

[@vj7248]

No ethical consumption under squid game

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Is a company big? Yea, they probabaly got some dark shit going on. Gotta get that hustle and sell those kids souls.

[@Americanbadashh]

There are levels to dark shit though, these guys act like one guy being shit and getting fired, and an entire company culture of defensing shit guys are the same thing

[@k.-flynn]

@@Americanbadashh like comparing Steve Jobs to Elon Musk. Both dickheads who didn't make their own products, but one comes from aparteid blood money and actual murder is still way up there on the evil scale.

[@1337w334b00]

@@Americanbadashh Yeah, some of it is like the people who say they'll never touch a Dragon Quest game EVER because the composer is an ultranationalist war crimes denier. That's just punishing the thousands of others that have contributed to the series.

[@Americanbadashh]

@@Dan-Ky-Kong I watched Pat act like that yesterday on his streaming channel

[@xenodweeb6425]

You're right, Pat, there ARE allot of evil companies. Your podcast is even owned by one that's even got it's own allegations of sex abuse/worker abuse/ect, some of which don't even have closure. (It's RoosterTeeth, I'm talking about RoosterTeeth)

[@cyberninjazero5659]

There is no ethical consumption under Castle Super Beast

[@IamtheJustSword]

another mental gymnastics example to the Ethical Consumption the Canadian Government sells guns to Saudi. the question now is so do we stop consuming anything Canadian? after all taxes fund the government, government provides the machinery to genocide. The World is a Fuck.

[@IamtheJustSword]

@@SeasoningTheObese holy shit there TOO? The world truly is a fuck. I only heard of oil pipes and ancestral lands. Jesus christ. Good Day. have a Nice Day.

[@LeviGratton]

@@IamtheJustSword There is definitely a difference between consuming something out of necessity or borderline necessity (because of costs of the alternative) and doing something for leisure. Consuming media is leisure, buying food is not.

[@aaronr.265]

Where’s Woolie’s comment? What did he say?

[@starwars90001]

On this episode of the Podcast Woolie and Pat realize the world we exist in is built by evil. Everything you enjoyed, everything you are, everything you believe is built by someone who'd be the villain of a fictional story. Expect in real life the villain wins.

[@sworddomo1951]

The good place is all about it.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

World bad

[@lexofexcel886]

Take that propaganda for nihilism and sling it at someone else. It's like the "And yet you participate in society" meme without the irony.

[@IANGEL101I]

@@lexofexcel886 Gloom and doomers, right?

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@lexofexcel886 27:50

[@ShintoArt]

If I had to guess, I'm sure even the worst of the game companies have developers and employees that are morally upright, law abiding citizens. The minority are the people, usually at the very top, who have all sorts of nefarious skeletons in their closets. It's way more likely that when you buy their games you're supporting mostly decent, hard working people, and probably a few bad ones. There's no good reason to believe that watching things like Arcane or playing Ruined King will only support bad people.

[@chaffXgrenade]

Exactly. I'm probably talking outta my ass here, but I don't think any company as a whole is outright evil. It's those few individuals within them--most likely at the top, like you said--that do these awful things we hear about and once that information comes out and the word spreads (especially as fast as it spreads on social media), they become the public faces of the company and virtually everyone associates them with those individuals. John Schnatter may be a scumbag or whatever, but the employees working at the local Papa John's down the street from my house are good, hard-working folks.

[@leithaziz2716]

There is some merit to this. The main question becomes "Do you know who you're supporting and are you willing to go through with it?". As long as you're not blind to what's happening, it becomes a different type of moral.

[@1337w334b00]

The real problem is lack of transparency in finances. Watching Arcane would be a lot simpler if we knew if the studio was getting residuals or not. Because in my mind, that's the difference between pirating and not pirating (and since I don't know these details, I don't feel bad about the choice I'm making).

[@GIZMONDO987]

@@1337w334b00 Exactly this. Like, would I feel bad if it turns out all the teams in the COD mines got residuals from the games? Yeah probably. But if I've no reason to not believe Actiblizz just hoards 99.9999997% of it, it gets a helluva lot easier to not support them (especially the activision part of it, what with literally shoving all teams into working on solely COD and nothing else).

[@SuzakuX]

You're right, and they're trying to improve conditions within their own company. For as fucked up as Kotick and Activision has been, the ABK Alliance has actually made pretty significant progress in getting their demands answered.

[@zap54312]

"After I buy MGS5 I'm never buying another konami game"

[@zjc92]

tbf they would have to actually make another game in the first place.

[@FrozenOver0]

@@zjc92 That's the joke.

[@pygmybrain5868]

@@FrozenOver0 ? They have been releasing so many compilations lately that ik them more for that now than the games, honestly.

[@GIZMONDO987]

@@pygmybrain5868 To be fair, some people probably (and fairly) don't consider a Compilation of Older titles to be "making" a new game. Tho to be fair still better than more guff like the stuff they give No Budget or Time to (and of course, HIT THE LEVER!")

[@treygoeshard]

"Close your heart to it boy" -Kratos

[@ozghoboyd8413]

WoolieVS: Plato's Allegory of The Cave and Pat Stares At: The Hard Reality

[@shadowLurker4v]

Its okay to enjoy things, it's not your responsibility to be policing the assholes on top. You just have to be aware and, as woolie said, keep talking and pressuring and pushing for change. Evil is everywhere in capitalism, you can't escape it and it's not your fault. It's Bobby kotics fault

[@damien1065]

Crony Corporatism* Trust me, corporations want the government to have more control of the markets lol. We have only half of capitalism (capital gains/markets) we don’t have market competition or any liability for companies. The whole idea of corporate law is to have a scapegoat ceo when a corporation is caught in the crosshairs. Even consumerism is the fault of the federal reserve. There’s no insensitive to have a savings account when our money looses value over time and it’s more prudent to buy immediately which drives consumerism.

[@brandonfelix8116]

@@damien1065 "crony corporatism" is the natural conclusion of our neoliberal economy. I'm sorry being reductive on the subject of government shows how ideologically close minded you are. Yes corporations puts a lot of money into politicians that favors them but they also fight even more against governmental institutions that would be against their interests

[@damien1065]

@@brandonfelix8116 big business loves big government. Corporations lobby for more regulations in their respective markets constantly. They do it to have a competitive edge on their smaller competitors. They have the resources to abide the new regulations or to have a work around. To expect the government to intervene as a moral arbiter is like hiring the fox to guard the hen house.

[@shadowLurker4v]

@@brandonfelix8116 This. "Crony capitalism" is like, the PragerU propaganda bullshit. Capitalism requires bad people to abuse the rules and steal their wealth from the underclass.

[@damien1065]

@@brandonfelix8116 You can try all the regulations you’d like, corporations will simply outsource whatever is affected adversely

[@1wayroad935]

Every company that gets big enough has done so because they have done some form of horrible shit

[@spencechan]

It's almost as if the capitalist system favors those with the least scruples

[@iller3]

@@spencechan It's every Monetary system that we have. Xi Jing Ping was direct offspring of a highest ranked official. And the ruling Committees chose to hide that information from everyone else until well after he was confirmed. It's literally Dynasty disguised as communism. The Bolsheviks were actually a minority party but were also the "actually Corrupt" Socialists so of course they won with subversion and then lived like Czars while the people starved.

[@drunkinfist666]

I just don't fucking care at this point. If I want something and think it's worth money, I'll buy it. If I want something and think it's not worth it, I'll pirate it. Everyone sucks, everyone always sucked, fuck it.

[@zfatjesus]

Think the whole "one of the employees may be a cannibal" thing misses the point when we are talking about people in positions of power at large companies. If HR shuffled around a cannibal to other departments every time they took a nibble instead of firing them then it would fit a bit more.

[@Neogears1312]

not really, you can still argue they knew about it but didn't care, which is the point of most of the abuse scandals, not "we actively played a part" but swearing " OH WOW JIMMY DIDDLES WOMEN? SHIT I THOUGHT HE WAS A COOL GUY TOO UHHH WOW I HOPE HE'S THE ONLY ONE MOLESTING WOMEN IN MY COMPANY"

[@Zeosinclair]

The Netflix show 'The Good Place' brings up the topic of ethical consumption in later seasons and how it goes beyond digital media. For instance you buy a t-shirt, but it was made in a sweetshop so therefore indirectly supports such practices. Honestly everything to do with ethically consuming most types of products boils down to that "Yet you participate in society" meme

[@ExeErdna]

This entire event is Pat and Woolie going down the Woolie hole

[@danpascooch]

I agree that people excuse Riot's behavior because of the good stuff they're putting out, but I also disagree with boiling all of these myriad scandals down to "THEY ALL DO IT". There is a serious difference in magnitude between all of the examples Pat went through, and equating them all as equally bad lets the worst offenders off the hook by comparison.

[@Aeonknight87]

Even if you want to acknowledge the varying degrees of evil present in the various different offences (which I believe is the approach most rational people take), that won't stop anon commenter guy from pointing out where your line in the sand is drawn and saying it's not far back enough, so you're a shit person. As others have said, it's fucking exhausting.

[@edma8922]

"I don't support Epic because they're partially owned by Tencent" Meanwhile at Riot: lol, lmao.

[@Americanbadashh]

Also other than being chines4e what has Tencent actually done wrong. Everyone's hatred of Tencent reeks of biblical sins of the father logic

[@Vaishino]

@@Americanbadashh they're literally a state corporation. Their profits fund China itself. "What's Tencent done?" Directly funded an oppressive and genocidal nation state.

[@merk2364]

I'm just going to start telling people that I don't care about the bad shit happening whenever someone tries to gotcha me with that "oh you're supporting bad people" thing. Ultimately if you decide you wont support a company period and commit to that it is very principled, but at the end of the day if you buy something for yourself knowing it has some dark cloud over it doesn't mean you have some sort of moral failing.

[@vincentengo3233]

Woolie sweats playing kof beta.

[@notzan5302]

Remember "No Ethical Consumption" means neither "just consume it all anyway" nor "knowing it is bad is enough justification to consume it anyway" it means you need to be aware of how fucked the system is so you can attempt to change it, even if its as minor as not consuming said media. If you are already paying for netflix then youre not doing much extra harm by watching arcane, but blindly promoting Riot and their products can, so, yeah. Also piracy exists.

[@LeviGratton]

This is really my biggest complaint. Consuming the media? Yeah sure whatever. Promoting the media to all your friends/followers and then talking about the product without mentioning the bullshit the company is doing? Not okay.

[@afterpasthours7504]

It’s always amusing to see those that put their moral consumption of anything on such a high pedestal that they’d go out of their way to berate and harass others for consuming anything that might be close to considered “problematic” when they just as easily turn around and hail something that’s just as problematic.

[@night1952]

The reason I boycott ea, activision and all those shitty companies is because I don't like their games anymore, thinking that it's because of ethics would be self gratification.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

But how will I gain social status if I admit that?

[@TerasOde]

Yeah, I haven't really though of it like I was consciously boycotting the companies due to things their execs have been caught doing for a really long time now. I haven't felt like buying their games simply because Ubisoft-openworld-formula, Activision-bigshooter-current-year-edition, Riot-fantasy-moba-monolith-sideprojects, EA-gacha-in-a-60$-sportsgame, Fortnite-chasers or Skyrim-ANOTHER-FUCKING-RERELEASE type games just plain do not interest me.

[@zztzgza]

Everything people do is for some kind of gratification. Your boycott is for self gratification, you just aren't putting your ethics on display.

[@proposterous2808]

Based Emil pfp person is based

[@DoctorCVC]

That’s at least one comfortable thing: while slow, a lot of things degrade in quality and fail when you have unstable assholes running them, so there can be some form of comeuppance. But then sometimes, you also get those high functioning assholes who manages to persevere and succeed in spite of it all.

[@soulchildmoore]

This aged like the finest of fine wine

[@luistomasfs]

Every time this is brought up, it’s just a nightmare we can never escape from

[@galesturms]

The strangest form of frustration with Arcane is how fucking fantastic it is. It doesn’t redeem Riot, far from it, but everyone makes an active choice to consume what they do. I’ll never touch another Blizz/Act product because of everything ongoing and in the past, but I probably own some games and will own some games made by shitty people. Consuming any type of media, unfortunately, is inherently hypocritical no matter what sort of view you put on it. The thing you have to do is decide how much over the fence you want to step and where your moral points meet their threshold.

[@zztzgza]

Hey, that's great and all but, in the greater scheme of things, enjoy the games you like no matter who makes them. Seperate the art and the game from all the evil corporations otherwise you'll just make yourself miserable.

[@DoctorCVC]

I realized I had to limit my self-policing a bit when I realized it was getting self-harmful. When I had the thought in my head that every moment of me not sacrificing my life or comfort and going out to fight the big evil was me failing morally, I felt I needed to stop and be a bit easier on myself before I literally went insane or did something harmful to myself.

[@SefirothPH]

And that's how western neoliberalism/imperialism works. The citizens in the Imperial core have too much to lose resisting the exploitation of workers domestically and abroad, so the exploitation that they would normally find abhorrent has their complicit consent as long as they reap the benefits.

[@plutoniumcrusader8815]

@@SefirothPH the exploitation will not be stopped by individual change Until the structures that allow it to occur are replaced nothing we do has meaning

[@SefirothPH]

@Gwapa snuna Significantly less than the closeted reactionary that brought it up completely unprompted? Lmao what a self report

[@joshsleezetube]

for what little it's worth, i cannot in good conscious buy another activision/blizzard game after all of these things that have come out. very similarly to how i went vegetarian, i think "i don't agree with what's going on here, i'm out". it's not like an essential life need where i have zero choice in the matter (like where i get gas for example). as a consumer, the only real power we have is our money and where we choose to spend it and i cannot and will not support them based on my personal morals on the matter. i did the same thing with konami back in the day. like a line has to be drawn at some point and i take it by a company by company basis.

[@shotguncrucifix]

@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 that doesn't matter bc who cares what others spend their money on

[@kenjikuroiwa99]

Yeah like, I feel there's a magnitud of evil between say, Capcom and Blizzard.

[@Americanbadashh]

@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 IF that were true ME3 would have never got a 2nd ending, and EA SW games would still have super bad loot boxes

[@Solefirefly]

@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 Where does it state or imply how other people spend their money? Also, what's your endgame here? It seems like you're trying to convince people to not vote with their wallet.

[@DairunCates]

@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 Look. This may be a bit controversial, but I feel like crunch, while blatantly evil (and frequently hidden as common sense work policies) is still nowhere near the magnitude of awful that industry-wide systemic sex abuse is. We absolutely should be protesting against both, but if you have to pick one, the one that completely removes bodily autonomy from human beings is a bit more high priority. There's also the fact that choosing not to partake in something is and should be about personal ethics. I don't refuse to play Ubisoft games, because I think it'll ruin its stock by my protest. I do it, because I want to be an equitable and fair person on a personal level, and Ubisoft clashes with my own personal code of ethics. I'm not gonna look down on people for playing games they like (although, you could do a lot better for consistentcy than Ubisoft), but it's just not for me and never will be again until the people that perpetrated those ethical problems are gone. Same with Activision-Blizzard. I'm out. They're not getting my money. The companies I do support have their own share of issues, but those issues are less important on my personal code of ethics. Also, Pat mentions Skullgirls as a problem, but unlike big companies, when Mike Z got ousted as a big ole creeper, he was out of the company in a matter of days. So, it's not like change is impossible in every market.

[@tylergregoire1763]

It’s hard to stick to your oh so precious morals when the evil corporation makes the things you like.

[@Kektus1]

Harder still when you realize that whether or not you boycott their product makes no difference to them at all. At all. They only care about big waves, not the tiny ripple we each make individually.

[@Americanbadashh]

Not really. Just move on

[@just_matt214]

Have you eaten any chocolate lately?

[@weirdo3116]

True. That's why i only drink rain water

[@Americanbadashh]

@@Kektus1 How do you think big waves are made? A bunch of tiny ripples which then make larger companies make their own ripples.

[@Jirekianu]

I mean, at it's root for you to survive something else has to die or at the very least be inconvenienced. So there really is no ethical consumption because we are fundamentally a reality where scarcity is a part of every living things existence. Even plants rely on nutrients in soil that come from other living things. Everyone's got their own personal line of "Try not to be a piece of shit." Mine is generally that if I'm gonna talk about worker exploitation. I make sure the device I'm doing it from isn't branded as an apple product.

[@lnfreeman]

You're forgetting a decent chunk of the actual ecosystem with that comparison. And most viable ecosystems even the consumers benefit to things they consume. The birds that eat the berries then propagate the seeds as they fly around shitting everywhere. Predators level the population if the pray species and prevent scarcity for them. Plenty of directly symbiotic relationships between organisms as well. If there weren't equilibrium like this at a grand scale, life on Earth would have died out long before humans came along.

[@jman2856]

Regarding separation, due to this video, I can clearly separate whose a shithead corporate rube and who actually cares about workers in Woolie’s fandom.

[@Americanbadashh]

People's views on this video is the community limitus test for who can sit with us

[@leithaziz2716]

Shit, I actually forgot about Arcsys' connection with China. It's even more considering how much I love Guilty Gear and a lot of Arcsys games, but that also spits on the Taiwanesse and Muslims massacred (it's worse considering my background) and their legacy. I already knew about the SNK stuff which was of course awful. Now I feel like shit. This is such a mess...

[@SuzakuX]

@@leithaziz2716 Pretty much every publisher has a "connection with China" because you have to partner with a Chinese company to legally sell your products there. And that also means complying with their content and censorship policies. Some studios just have a different version of the game for the Chinese market, so you don't see it in the version you're playing.

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

@@SuzakuX The Donald was right. "Big league china"

[@bcapenaro1991]

The fact of the matter is: In order to separate the art from the artist, everyone will have a line that can't be crossed. We all have varying degrees of what is acceptable, and what is not. I love Riot's games, and continue to do so. If that's too far for you, more power to you. But don't slam other people for not doing what you decide to do

[@bcapenaro1991]

@UCQnGba8cE9L7yFnGmUeuCKA Playing Riot's games =/= endorsing Sexual Harassment. You're an idiot if you honest to goodness think that. Take your virtue signaling elsewhere.

[@gomitax92]

You can like the thing. But do not pretend there's nothing wrong when there is.

[@k.-flynn]

Honestly I don't mind judging people for supporting Riot *after* they know about their connection to the CCP, because my personal line is Holocaust 2: electric boogaloo.

[@dappercrow8138]

The best way to just go about it to accept that everything's fucked and there's nothing you can do on an individual level. Love what you love but know and accept that there's some shady crap behind those things you enjoy.

[@SefirothPH]

@@k.-flynn Holocaust 2 implying that there's even a fraction of a fraction of the evidence for that as there is for the Holocaust lol. Consider your consent manufactured 😎

[@Neogears1312]

Part of growing up is realizing stuff like how dogs are enjoyable pets, but totally will viscously kill a rabbit for a snack. everything has a part to it where once you delve deep enough you realize it's messed up. how much your willing to deal with it depends solely on how messed up the thing is, how malicious the intent is and how much agency you have over it happening. generally i feel its purely the agency. most people accept a lot of issues because they suck a little but theres little they could do to fix it so its not worth the damages of trying to change it.

[@kennyezeobele1909]

There is absolutely no such thing as unskilled labor, thank you!

[@FOGSHIE]

Comrade Super Beasts

[@ToozdaysChild]

"Also, when you vote with your dollar, people with more dollars get more votes." -Ian Danskin, Innuendo Studios kzbin.info

[@QuasarKnightGaming]

@woolieversus “whose this Dante dude all I know is Vergil and Red Vergil?”

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

It takes a lot of heart to give up that thing you love for morals. When that game you love gets a sequel giving that up is near impossible at a young age.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

So what about pirating things made by these shitlords? Play it without contributing in the slightest kinda thing

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat It's a weird look as pirating is frowned on. You would usually just turn to the competition or don't play it outright.

[@luan.galaxy]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat Two wongs dont make a wight

[@jack04man20]

@@luan.galaxy But pirating videogames isn't a wrong at worst its a neutral action.

[@albedopiazzolla5129]

Ah yes, the moral practice of downright stealing because some amount of the owners are bad people. Very moral, much good person.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

At this point, literally every company is evil. You can try to pick and choose but it actually is just impossible to never support someone shitty. The best you can do is not support the shittiest people possible

[@charby5875]

Feels like we're in the dystopian megacorp future where ya have to support at least a couple morally dubious brands or just be excluded from mainstream society:/

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

Man I love a cup of Demoralization in the morning. Even better when it’s cold.

[@Logan55689]

Sometimes you have to separate art from the artists, guys. You can’t go around constantly worrying about this kind of stuff, everything has someone rotten if you dig far enough.

[@SuzakuX]

It's easy to separate the art from the artist. Little bit harder to give your money to the sex pest selling the artist's art though.

[@Logan55689]

@@SuzakuX Oh, definitely. But for some reason sex pests are endemic in any kind of place where money travels in large quantities.

[@RavenCloak13]

The lotus blooms in the mud. Plants grow well in soil laced with the dead and the decaying.

[@Logan55689]

@@RavenCloak13 ... Cool.

[@LeviGratton]

The thing with art is that you don't have to consume it, so it's much easier to just not support them at all.

[@Serek2000]

you could say the same about twitch and youtube as they're owned by the big evil corps too

[@SuzakuX]

Unless you live in the woods in a house you built yourself using tools you built yourself, you can't really avoid it. But that doesn't mean you can't criticize it and advocate for better conditions for workers. And hell, when it comes to video games, the consumers aren't treated too fairly either these days. The ABK Alliance could actually open the door for unionization in the games industry... so something positive might yet come from this mess.

[@Rikuo86]

"There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is not some sort of cop-out that only applies to small rural areas with one Wal-Mart for people to do all there shopping at and nothing else. It's the shoes on your feet and the clothes on your back being made in poorer countries where the workers work for slave wages and in grueling conditions. It's your favorite video game being made by a team that was exhausted, abused, and worked 100 hours weeks with no overtime under the excuse of "passion" and "teamwork". You can't even separate art from the artist because 1: No one actually does it. 2: You end up ignoring clear red flags by scumbags by insisting on thinking that an artists' personality, interests, politics, etc. have NO affect on the works they create. H.P. Lovecraft was a great science fiction horror writer and Sci-Fi today would not exists the way it does without him and his influence. He was also notoriously, FLAGRANTLY racist and actively put his racism in his work. That isn't subjective interpretation, that is fact. Whether it's an individual or a large corporation, something you've bought whether it was food, clothes, entertainment, whatever, has exploited someone. So unless you vet every single product you buy or make it yourself, you more often than not supporting a system of exploitation somewhere. And the hard truth is that there is nothing you can do as an individual to stop that. Choosing to not buy from Activision-Blizzard is great and all, but how does that help the people abused? How does that STOP the abusers and make sure they face punishment for their wrongdoing? This is why boycotts don't work: A company can remain solvent longer than you can afford to not pay your rent. But a strike? Strikes are so effective an entire multi-million dollar businesses exists specifically to stop them from happening. There's a reason Amazon and similar companies spends millions of dollars on union busting every year. The only why to make consumption ethical under capitalism, is to unionize, organize, and work our asses off to make sure no one gets abused. Because no one has to be abused. But it is far from easy and requires active and constant vigilance. The real question is, are we a society, as a people ready to fight that fight?

[@Skullnaught]

And system would you rather have

[@SuzakuX]

@@Skullnaught I don't know, maybe anything where corporate CEOs don't accumulate enough wealth to influence the government via lobbyists and PACs while dismantling unions and abusing workers. There are dozens of different ways to organize an economy, and the version we've arrived at is pretty dogshit.

[@Hocotatium111]

Therefore, consuming this podcast is unethical.

[@mrmeteor64]

Okay does anyone have a video about the problems with Atlus that are not persona videos.

[@danily11]

With topics like this I feel its always important to remember that the medium is the message. As cynical as it may sound, Arcane is a Riot Games property (also Pat and Woolie stream video games for a living on a platform owned by Jeff Bezos) and that says alot more about it than how much entertainment you derive from it.

[@danily11]

@Gwapa snuna biggest issue with Bezos by far is that despite having infinite money he totally lacks any sense of noblesse oblige. He piddles away his super-welfare checks on flights of fantasy and totally sentimental scams, as the country around him decays into a non-functional, amphetamine-addled, third-world hellhole absent any of the industrial capacity required to actually realize those things he clamors for. He is the living definition of bourgeoise. Wealthy, but not an aristocratic bone in his body, simply a redditor with money.

[@Hiagi]

Yes, all companies do dirt and have skeletons in their closet. However, the stance of “Everything’s messed up, so I should just consume whatever guilt-free” doesn’t sit right with me. Especially, when the company is still continuing its shitty practices. It doesn’t really solve any of the issues to just acknowledge them and still consume product without any change.

[@RocRolDis]

Pat talking about someone not knowing colors amuses me.

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

And the more blizz/activision tries to fix it the worst they fail. It's glorious!!

[@SpookeyGael]

I mean, if Hitler made a *really* good WW2 grand strategy game I'd probably play it.

[@NevetsTSmith]

It's innescapeable, I just choose a few things to avoid if it's something easy enough to live without/the production proccess is fucked at the core (it's usually fucked at the core anyway). Hence I keep my ass clear of cocacola, pepsico and nestle shit. But I realize I really do it to feel better about myself. no solution short of masses armed with guillotines will make a difference.

[@everforward5561]

"There's a lot of evil companies that make video-games" could just be cut after "companies" and it's perfect.

[@porygonL]

Amazon worker here. Still havent made my first piss bottle. Its been real close calls and painful bladders through Amazon Prime day as well as Amazon PEAK.

[@Neoxon619]

But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't hold the likes of Activision Blizzard, Riot, Insomniac, Microsoft, Sony, & more accountable.

[@leithaziz2716]

Insomniac? Is it something other than the crunch?

[@SuzakuX]

The level of scrutiny Blizzard is currently under is the level of scrutiny all publishers should be facing. Yves Guillemot is looking at Bobby Kotick like 😥 because the Blizzard lawsuit took all the heat off Ubisoft.

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

Keep adding to the list. Another brick for the pile a drop for the bucket.

[@Neoxon619]

@@leithaziz2716 Yup, workplace abuse. Someone came forward about the shit they had to endure while working at the company. It should be on Twitter.

[@hazardrider8317]

Excellent way of putting it in perspective guys. I’m still not gonna support Project L cuz I just don’t give a shit about League in the first place, but you’re right Pat, everything is sadly evil

[@Artista_Frustrado]

"a Hooker... like Scorpion" -Pat 2021

[@renaigh]

it's not just one or two companies, it's Capitalism.

[@falloutsearies]

On the riot thing I personally can’t enjoy riot anymore due to their involvement with developing the social credit system in China, but at the end of the day it’s your choice on weather you want to enjoy the product not mine, all I can say is that I strongly disagree with your enjoyment and wish for you to never talk to me about it ever again. This is coming from some one that spent thousands of hours on league and still checks updates to see if my old mains are good again. Still not going to play because fuck riot.

[@falloutsearies]

Also the people you ran into online that scream at you for enjoyment of a problematic product are also most likely playing it to, and they just want to make you feel bad about playing the game so they can justify their enjoyment of it

[@Americanbadashh]

@@falloutsearies You really think it's so hard for others to have standards just because you have low standards yourself?

[@leithaziz2716]

This controversy does make me question wether I should get into that League fighting game. The money will probably go to Riot but im not sure if the people involved in the fighting game have much involvment with with Riot's past actions.

[@falloutsearies]

I don’t follow, I specifically said that I disapprove of buying riot merchandise and games but I’m not going to hold people accountable on buying from them for wanting to play it

[@falloutsearies]

@Leith aziz If it helps, The money you give for buying the game won’t go to the dev team that made it. It will go to riot by the time it reaches your hands riot would have already paid them for the work that they commissioned them for. Hopefully

[@dumbsterdives]

I've done my part to not support cartoon villains, but trying to never consume anything made at someone elses expense or never give money to a bad person is futile. If you wanted to truly never buy anything from a company that sucks, you would have to go entirely off the grid because EVERY COMPANY has something. The computer or phone you're using to yell at people for buying things that are good but made by people who suck was almost guaranteed to have been made in a sweatshop across the planet from you. It just isn't feasible to consume 100% ethically in 1st world society, thus the phrase.

[@dumbsterdives]

"No ethical consumption under capitalism" doesnt translate to "never consume anything", its telling you that you have to accept that unless the revolution happens right this instant and you replace everything you've ever owned afterward, you will be consuming something made immorally. This is also why the "yet you participate in society. curious!" comic exists.

[@colinr0380]

@15:02 See the recent P&O situation here in the UK, where P&O Ferries fired their entire workforce and replaced them with temps. That... didn't work out. Except for financially for the company, of course, so it was a success.

[@cyborgsims2371]

Them's Fightin' Herds is still good?

[@DemonicDevilDiran]

As unrealistic as it is to completely avoid consuming anything with a complicated ethical background (even though not all pieces behind them are straight up evil) I find media the easiest to boycott as opposed to needs like tap water and food since I just pirate whatever "thing I want" is. Even if it's morbid curiosity, like the latest Poke'mans.

[@LeviGratton]

This, 100%. Comparing video games to red lining was a really bad comment imo

[@k.-flynn]

The US is two steps away from falling out of democracy, every product and service I rely on is run by abjectly evil entities, and the corpses of millions make the foundations of our economy. Still super hyped for Elden Ring.

[@k.-flynn]

@June since random edgelord here keeps following my comments and reporting them, hopefully you saw what I already typed and understand why I'm pissed and ready to rumble

[@1337w334b00]

@June Yeah bro, let me just start the years long emigration process with my no money.

[@mikecampos1193]

Drive these commies assholes out and fight for freedom.

[@mikecampos1193]

@@k.-flynn Rittenhouse proved that you can fight the communist.

[@k.-flynn]

@@mikecampos1193 no pro-terrorism comments, please

[@iMoD190]

jinx is blue harley quinn. vi is pink and has her name tattooed on her face.

[@gameinspection4999]

Pat said something about Nintendo sending dudes to someone's house or something? Can someone elaborate on that. Haven't heard about that before.

[@Coconut-219]

Its easy when alot of their business practices are overtly anti-consumer and you just don't like their products anyways. "I already hated triple-A games before it was cool" Something I chose to make no compromise on early on is absolutely f*ck every single game with microtransactions - and I mean this was as early as Team Fortress 2 ear before it was considered "a big issue" by most people.

[@posteriorpepperoni]

You won't watch Arcane because Riot Games is evil I won't watch Arcane because League of Legends is cringe We are not the same

[@lawthirtyfour2953]

I'll never watch league. Arcane it's great though if you looked spiderman animation you have to watch it.

[@aurora9166]

workum's comp

[@wolflance64]

refound this randomly HOLY SHIT WOOLIE LOOKS COMEPLETELY DIFFERENT that weight loss really worked out.

[@cheapturbo6439]

There is no war in ba sing say

[@X_Blake]

Jim, Phil, and Doug shouldn't get a W. Just a thanks and a L.

[@kazuraba3991]

Still waiting on that Revolution thing

[@Dirtyboots3strikes]

At this point, what we do and like are pretty much own by anything considered evil now.

[@theotherjared9824]

Art and artist can be separated most of the time except when the artist is important to the context of the art. That's my take at least.

[@lawthirtyfour2953]

yes yes, companies are evil, have they watched arcane though?

[@mikecampos1193]

The companies that are capitalistic have always been money comes first and those who try to clean their image never tend to learn this is not new and this will never change.

[@afterpasthours7504]

SNK is just brutally unfortunate to be ping-ponging between either Big China or Big Saudi because they’re dirt poor.

[@bitchtitchs]

30:30

[@willadkins1354]

I have to wonder if Pat justifies this to himself, because if he didn't he'd have to look for another job eventually.

[@mikecampos1193]

He's invested in Bitcoin and dogecoin so he probably already knew.

[@willadkins1354]

@@mikecampos1193 Really? Damn.

[@jack04man20]

@@willadkins1354 Really, your going to beleive that with no proof. This is why arguing on the internet is fucking pointless I can just pop up and say anything and people will beleive me.

[@willadkins1354]

@@jack04man20 On reflection you have a point about being skeptical, but Pat isn't exactly above being hypocritical. We're talking about a man who's a self-proclaimed nihilist who often talks in absolutes when it comes to morality.

[@TariTariTariTariTari]

Hold up. What's this about a murder?

[@lexofexcel886]

Bobby Kotick threatened to have a woman who worked at ActiBlizz killed if she reported higher ups being sex pests.

[@AviaryAssassin]

A Saudi Crown Prince hired the murder of a Washington Post journalist then bought SNK

[@greatfist]

I love that both responses are about different murders.

[@mikecampos1193]

He threatened someone but he didn't actually fall through with it too if Bobby walks the company dies he's the only reason the company made money even though he's might be a piece of shit but that piece of shit made money kind of like Randy pitchford for borderlands and gearbox you you see the connections.

[@mikecampos1193]

@@AviaryAssassin based.

[@alldayagain]

I feel there is a big difference between "Plagiarized Artists" and "Support of Genocide Coverups" tho Like "A Bakery that Evades Taxes" and "A Bakery that uses Dead Puppies"

[@jlmd2494]

All I'm saying is, we should see this same responce if MVC2 gets a remaster