There is no such thing as a bad trip?

If you hang around in psychonaut circles long enough then you will hear the controversial phrase "There is no such thing as a bad trip!", but is that actually true and what do people even mean by this?
In this video I attempt to unpack this statement and add my take on it. I cover the difference between bad trips and bad outcomes, that there can be value in challenging experiences, and also cover the topic of "trip killers".
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[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I had a couple of reasons I wanted to tackle this subject. Firstly I saw some VERY emotionally charged posts online by people who seemed to be bothered by this phrase, and I could kind of see why. Its often used in a kind of condescending way without any explanation, so I thought I would have a go at unpacking it. Also one of my upcoming trip reports is about what most people would call "a bad trip", but it was incredibly helpful. I figured doing this would help give that next one some context.

[@jademurray2417]

Do you have an email address? There’s something my partner would like to contact you about.

[@jademurray2417]

We’re aware you have you’re socials listed here but neither of us really use social media.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@jademurray2417 yes you can email me at [e-mail]

[@shanesmith734]

You’re one of the most level headed guys in the psychedelic community right now. It’s fresh air after so much bullshit. Thanks!

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thanks Shane, I appreciate that mate

[@scoon2117]

Fighting the trip is 99% of the 'bad trip'.

[@MrGold-lo6vc]

What if it's interdimensional reptilian bumrape?

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

Yeah if you try to run away from yourself it won't work haha

[@MikiBreki]

99% true

[@SerDunk]

I concur. From experience! 🤯🫠😅

[@mrsansty]

All of my "bad" trips ended up being some of my best trips. It wasn't until many trips later that I realized this. I needed every one of those experiences to grow into the person I am today. I can finally say that I found myself, and I love myself fully for who I am. Thank you, "bad" trips. You saved my life.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Same. I think this obsessive need to only ever have "happy" experiences is conditioning us to be unable to deal with the more challenging stuff. I say tackle it head on and grow 🙂

[@mrsansty]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica Absolutely! Nothing to fear, but fear itself.

[@dmoney_6970]

I love how he explains these "bad trips" are generally actually a lesson to be learned!

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

Sometimes the lesson is way to hard to learn and help is needed. That can be really troubling.

[@Venom.sand.geometry]

I had a bad trip around 3 months ago- (2.5G of magic mushrooms) and haven’t returned to psychedelics since. Every problem and bad thought in my life piled on top of me at once, feeling as if a demon had crawled into my soul. My friend told me that I was heavily talking about suicide and satan, and the feeling was even worse.. I felt like I was going to throw up all of my organs from the inside out. If I didn’t have friends then I don’t know where I would be now. Be careful with psychedelia people, because when stuff goes sideways, all you can really do is pray, even if you aren’t religious, praying is the only thing that will be on your mind. But even though this was the worst experience of my life- the outcome was very beneficial. I started connecting with everyone more, and it made me realize what my problems were and it opened my eyes on how I could patch them. Now I’m a much more grateful person and my creativity has expanded by a big extent. But when will I return you may ask? I may return in a few months or so with a smaller dosage. Hopefully then my trip will be better. I’m glad I got to share my story.

[@marcozegikniet9301]

Praying is like talking to a wall. Does nothing !

[@repit5014]

No panicky thoughtloop or scary visual induced bad feeling ever came close to the feeling of existential terror I had once. It was about everything we do being cosmically irrelevant, leading to a very greyed out reality and dark thoughts. This one really scared me, luckily I could change the mindset by taking a shower. Its funny that the same idea can also be percieved as a positive. "Nothing matters, do what you want" I agree with your video that there was something about my set and setting that was not ideal in all those cases. You are an important voice of reason in the Psychedelic community

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thanks, and yes I can certainly relate to an experience like what you have described. I often hear noobies overconfidently say things like "just how bad can it possibly be?" and I think the honest answer to that is - you cannot even imagine just how bad this can get.

[@madmaxmedia]

The way I consider the terms, a difficult or challenging trip is one you are able to handle or endure through the trip, process, and often walk away with something positive afterwards- a lesson, healing, catharsis, etc. A bad trip is one that for whatever reason is too much for the tripper to handle (not necessarily the tripper's fault), and if bad enough requires trip killer meds, hospitalization, etc. I think it's harder to take away positive lessons from a trip in which you are just totally overwhelmed, truly believe (rather than just feel) you are going to die, etc.

[@psyhohm2537]

So perfectly said. I am amazing at how good you are at this. Love the face expressions and all the wording and everything. Absolutely perfection.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thank you so much 😀

[@MrIphantomz]

never heard someone so spiritual but also openly calling out the bullshit, props

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Just saying it like I see it mate 🙂

[@Illumignostic]

Woo free spirituality is less common than it should be

[@infinitedurr]

Great video, and great distinctions overall. I would add that there is another type of experience in the "bad trip" category that isn't one of the ones you've mentioned here. That's when someone typically takes too much, has their ego melt down, which triggers their fight or flight response and they are kind of mindlessly running around / reacting / not cognizant at all of what they're doing, basically an over-activated amygdala and reptilian brain on overdrive. People in this state often seem like they are headed toward a bad outcome, but somehow don't always end up hurting themselves or others. But being in mindless triggered panic is a terrible experience, and doesnt necessarily fall into the "I had a bummer" or the "some trauma came up" or "I ended up hurting myself" categories. It's kind of it's own thing, and I'd argue _does_ constitute what I'd define as a bad trip. Sometimes these things don't happen because of our set or setting being off. Sometimes they just trigger a panic response from the dosage. Too much too fast, and the body load that can come with that alone can be enough to freak people out. Seen it, been there many times. And in those cases, I don't think there's any lesson to learn besides maybe "take less", but sometimes these reactions happen at doses we've taken before. Anyways, thanks for yet another great video. Best to you.

[@matthewcosentino3609]

I love your content man. Great insight. I feel the same way.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Awesome! Thank you Mathew!

[@scooble]

I thought I was having a bit of a bad trip when it took all my will and concentration to stop clawing my own face off. I thought I was having a really bad trip when the trip intensified my hearing so much, that the ceremony hurt my ears for five hours. I thought I was having a bad trip that I threw up so violently and for so long that my lungs became exhausted that I near!y passed out. I thought I was having a bad trip when for the next two days after each trip I could do nothing but state into the middle distance. I KNEW I had a bad trip when on the last day of my retreat when I had 5 bad trips out of 6, all the Shamans, facilitators and staff said they were really worried for me.

[@dmtdreamz7706]

On a certain level, we have Adeptus Psychonautica in our brain, the neurochemicals that show up in flow: so dopamine, norepinephrine, anandamide, endorphins, and serotonin. If you were to try to cocktail the street drug version of that, right, you're trying to blend like heroin and speed and coke and acid and weed- and point is, you can't do it. It turns out the brain can cocktail all of 'em at once, which is why people will prefer flow to almost any experience on Earth. It's our favorite experience. It's the most addictive experience on Earth. Why? 'Cause it cocktails five or six of the largest pleasure drugs the brain can produce. We're all capable of so much more than we know. That is a commonality across the board. And one of the big reasons is we're all hardwired for flow, and flow is a massive amplification of what's possible for ourselves.

[@Illumignostic]

Heroin releases all of those things by itself

[@dmtdreamz7706]

@@Illumignostic Everything had been transformed into orgasm and visable, chattering oceans of elf language.

[@segfault-]

@@Illumignostic heroin acts on the mu-opioid receptor. It is not a monoamine releaser / reuptake inhibitor.

[@jacobhandyside5863]

I feel like this is the way of the world now, to stay in your comfort bubble as if the way to live your life is to avoid ever being scared, offended and to seek only that which gives pleasure/happy experiences. However to REALLY live your life you need to know death (figuratively speaking), to be happy you need to know despair, and to be courageous you need to know fear. I believe psychedelics are a microcosm of live and so people need to accept this fact before embarking because psychs (and life) really is 'like a box of chocolates'. I understand how in extreme cases it would be necessary to take a trip killer but no matter how hard you try to run from it, it ain't all sunshine and rainbows on planet earth. Welcome the 'bad' just as much as you would the 'good' because the 'bad' will teach you to appreciate the 'good' to the fullest. But just know both will come to an end soon; in the trip and life itself.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I totally agree, and I think it has some link to this current obsession with everything being "safe", and that the word "safe" should be interpreted as "doesn't challenge me or my ideas in any way at all". By that definition, psychedelics are not "safe", but that doesn't make them "bad".

[@silverliningart2183]

You had me rolling on the floor laughing with your animations at 5;08 hahaha

[@jjakfamily]

I'm 43 now and I believe would handle/understand a bad trip so much better now. I was 16 when I had mine though and I have literally blocked most of the experience from my mind except for that primal fear that I felt that night. I still shutter at the thought of it. I never realized what it taught me was set and setting until watching this video. I still have my occasional experiences but I am locked away at home in my safe zone when I do. Def look into BPC - 157 for the benzo withdrawals if you know anyone struggling.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I can relate. When I was younger I was simply looking to have fun, so any "dark" things which arose where absolutely unwanted, and the fight to avoid them often made them worse. Now I have a few more years under my belt then I have learned to take the rough with the smooth.

[@ollietabooger925]

great video! I've had 2 bad shroom trips out of maybe 30 trips as a teen and young adult , one at school and one after doing them 5 days in a row. I think your totally rite, I didn't trip after that for 6 years but I was just burned out after years of unlimited amounts of liberty caps and Oregon blues growing in walking distance my whole life. stetting can have a big affect, I say just Rember no matter how bad it gets you will get back to normal. I still used and use every psychedelic I can in moderation the fallowing 15 years just a little jaded with shrooms. God bless

[@cma3436]

I'd like to hear more about your story. I live on the Oregon Washington border and have access to many of the same things you mentioned. Anyway, hope all is well for you now, and best luck moving forward in your journeys. 🙏

[@beerad1228]

I agree mostly. I feel like if the bad trip helped create positive change in your life, or gave you some hard but necessary epiphany then to me it was a difficult trip, but hay tomayto tomahto. I feel it is 100% a bad trip if all you did was suffer during the trip and no positive change came about, nor any epiphanies. Like you, I don’t seek out a difficult trip, but also I appreciate them. An actual bad bad trip on the other hand, I cannot appreciate those and wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy

[@AmanitaDreamer]

I’ve been wanting to lend my take to this. I think I’ll make a video now 🤗

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I shall look forward to it!

[@sepuste]

Most of my first 20 or so Ayahuasca trips have been slightly to extremely difficult. The outcome was always very positive, and that kept me taking it. But at some point it got phisically and mentally so exausting that I was about to quit. Almost any time I got to a point when I thought I would die, and although I knew nothing at all would happen, the feeling was horrible. After the umpteenth difficult experience I said to myself: "If the next one (the next night) is that bad again, I'm gonna quit. I can't take it anymore." The next day I had a wonderful experience, and most of my later trips were not as complicated. Now I know that most of the problems happen when you try to fight the trip. I know what bad trips are and how difficult they can get. I always learnt a lot from any of them, so TO ME there is no such thing etc..., but that's only my experience and I cannot impose my personal judgement to every single person on the planet.

[@mraBJJ33]

Love it Rob, I've been wanting to explore more deeply with psychedelics but I still haven't gotten past the comfort zone of taking lighter doses yet, it's like there's a fear of the "bad trip" holding me back... how do you recommend one to get past this hesitancy?

[@321Doggies]

Do deep breathing before. I recommend wim hof. Maybe a little yoga / push-ups too... Take occasional deep breathes throughout the trip. Love every moment of the trip. If you love any bad part it won't be bad for long.

[@drumSick66]

A bad trip is when nothing happens 😉 Totally agree with everything you've said.

[@MintyLoveDMT]

Some very wise words there mate!

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

Nice to meet you here Minty. Have a great day!

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Cheers Minty! Hope all is going well with you mate 🙏

[@MintyLoveDMT]

@@nataliezementbeisser1492 Thanks Natalie, keep half an eye on my own channel, new video due out in the next couple of weeks or so, whoooooo!

[@MintyLoveDMT]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica Yes all great over here fella. Can't believe how you're still doing a brilliant work getting the highest quality videos out on a regular basis. Hope it continues for many decades to come!

[@cyrilio]

I took to much LSD and had a psychosis. During my psychosis I jumped of my apartment and broke my back and ancles. Sure you CAN have a bad trip. But for me a bad trip is one where you die. Everything else is at its best a (extremely) difficult experience. 99% of the time a ‘bad trip’ is just a challenging experience. The last 1% can indeed be ‘bad’. The term is so overused and definitely needs refinement.

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

I hope you are well now. I am wishing you a great recovery if not.

[@t-willythemadfragger3655]

i can relate to your story as i did the same thing, crazy how deep the psych delusions can take you where they can take control of your whole motor function and make you act out near fatal acts , i jumped off a balcony going deep down the acid and nitrous oxide rabbit hole , you can truely break though the matrix with that combo but its knowledge i was obviously not ready for. I fractured my heels this was nearly 2 years ago and my heels still give me grief to this day really sad as im only a young guy , dont think i could run long distance or hike any time soon

[@toucheyes9248]

Similar to my experience :(

[@hermitslug4982]

I've always veered away from the bad trip conversations online, it seems very much like people are talking over eachother and not coming to understand where the other side is coming from, it seems kinda of a pointless, at times aggressive, back and fourth. Another thing I've noticed is the line that ' sometimes, bad trips just happen' which is true in some sense, but everything 'just happens ', it closes the door on investigation and curiosity if someone does have an experience of deep suffering, that it was a cosmic fart and that's that. It seems a shame, but it's understandable, to see there may be an aspect of personal responsibility, in setting, dose, or even misunderstanding of one's mind, that the self inflicted suffering was from one's own foolishness is another painful thing to face. It seems to come down ultimately to an ignorance of the scope of psychedelics effects and also to the moment to moment working of a mind, and an unskillfulness that there are easing, preventative, or transformative measures, when things do take a darker turn. I'm kinda rambling now, but I always enjoy your videos and the level headed approach to them, it's a fresh breeze in the sometimes grasping and erratic world of psychedelics and the people who are vocal about them. Thanks and keep up the good work 🙂.

[@AcrylicGoblin]

Thoughts on serotonin drugs such as trazodone or mirtazapine as trip killers?

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I have no experience with them so I can’t really comment.

[@stormstrike1845]

For me it's important to no my limits as far as dosage. The negative experiences I've had always correlated with an extreme dose. For me those experiences were something to be avoided at all costs

[@matteonator]

I agree with that often times anxiety or unpleasant experiences can point to an aspect in your personal life that you can face and learn from during a psychedelic experience. Although I completely disagree with the statement that there is no such thing as a bad trip. People often are convinced that every unpleasant experience has to do with personal issues and growth, but there's a whole different level of a 'bad trip' that many don't seem to know of and this video also didn't seem to mention this. This usually happens with extreme and unhealthy dosages and or pre existing mental issues. People can have psychotic episodes, completely lose touch with reality and confusion can occur of a magnitude that we can not imagine. I don't think there is anything to be learned there, it can just be a damaging happening with sometimes long lasting or permanent problems. I don't want to make things dark or say that psychedelics are bad because they can be amazing, but I feel that it has to be said

[@mpmichaelpayne]

Could you do more critique videos? in particular what people like Leo are saying. I think it is useful, even for him, to hear your grounded views.

[@allidoisspinpoi8181]

I fuuucking love your content dude, hope to meet you sometime here in the near future! Peace love and pickles ✨🔮✌️❤️🥒

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thanks! 🙂

[@solarpoweredafricanvegansp178]

I dread scary trips lol but I know they are necessary. With that being said it’s not something I welcome with open arms. I just like the super insights and the feeling of being one with everything haha

[@veramann]

Yes. First, the intense shaking or trembling inside a person body during an Ayahuasca trip is bad and scary when it leads to a cardiac arrest or death. Second, the strong feeling of drowsiness during a trip makes someone feel like shit and can last the whole 24 hours before the medicine subsides.

[@infinitedurr]

Rob, I've puased the video midway here to say a couple things: 1- I love your willingness to use swear words and direct, common language. It doest come off an any less intelligent, which I know you are. 2- I love all the British slang (Scouse-isms?) & general piss taking on display here. It's really refreshing to hear someone talk about psychedelics in an honest way while not trying to position themselves as overly soft and soothing, or as overly intellectual and technical.

[@paulgregowicz4434]

No bad trip. Just sometimes difficult moments ❤

[@dhaktizero4406]

good - bad, when where how and who measures this? when is the final evaluation? who decides this was good or bad? which consequence in the endless sequence is the 'bad' one? how do you look at what happened, where do you point your eyes in the whole changing pattern of life and who is the one standing there deciding it is or isn't good at this point in the flow of time? how did that person get to that point to see what they see? are you still that person? and what will happen because of it? and then all those questions again after that occurs. the changes of time keep changing, don't evaluate, just observe them and let them have each their seasons or just accept it and maybe change the music or go outside, eat some fruit, vitamin c solves the first symptom of scurvy that appears long before the physical detriments, paranoia. and if it keeps happening, ask why are you taking psychedelics anyway? maybe you are the one coming in the door with unnecessary baggage and expectations to the feast-party-orgy already in progress. don't let your stranglehold on control go, you might enjoy yourself.

[@eileenkenney]

There are only bad trips if there is bad integration. It’s how you frame it as he said, and what you learn/how you grow from a negative experience.

[@dreaminez472]

In my experience trips are either fairly smooth and mellow the whole time or they start terrifying but transform eventually into the most intensely amazing trips. Like all the tension from being so freaked out snaps and I blast off into paradise. In that way I might agree there are no bad trips either.

[@thesacredgempath]

there is a bad trip, but it's fun like a rollercoaster but scary like the steep tall drop

[@cr-nd8qh]

Yeah bro im done with shrooms i got what i needed. Dont get greedy Chris

[@billbadson7598]

lol, I’m one of those insufferable people who say there is no such thing as a bad trip. I will quickly follow it up by saying that there ARE difficult trips, though. Sometimes extremely difficult.

[@stoinge]

good watch , ty

[@MM-px1gy]

I think wording is important here. I would move away from notions of good or bad. Do I think it’s possible to have some very challenging experiences while on these substances? Yes. Is sometimes avoiding such experiences a wise thing to do, absolutely. There are many ways to grow and evolve and change as a person and it doesn’t always need to involve psychedelics and these challenging, sometimes physically dangerous experiences. Please handle with care.

[@MrAfaqelahi]

Thank you I'm a newbie to all this and not had a bad trip as of yet but quite expecting it. I would only go into this with both feet and saying a big F you to the ego as it's the ego that's got me in all this mess anyway am I being naive here?

[@AmanitaDreamer]

I’m going to make a video abt Amanita ending a trip. Really effective.

[@janetjacks3406]

Me two hours after drinking a cup of "medicine" - "I swear to god I will never drink ayahuasca again". Me after sharing circle down on my knees in gratitude thinking how much benefit I seemed to have received from sacred sacrament....

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Oh yeah, for sure I can relate 😃 I think part of the problem is that people can be too quick to write off "bad trips" and shy away from doing any of that introspection you talked about. This then allows the narrative to double down as "it was just bad for no reason", or in the worst case scenarios then to start looking for other people to blame as to why it went bad - stuff like "the shaman put a curse on me" or similar.

[@kallewarn]

Good video!

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Cheers Karl 🙏

[@fanchannel3598]

I like to think of them as "difficult trips"

[@nadantagaming2276]

I fear infinity so I don't want to trip.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Its no so bad once you get used to it 😃

[@allidoisspinpoi8181]

In other words, "everything is light, even in the darkness there is light." -Bobby West

[@t-willythemadfragger3655]

just thought I'd chime in on the topic of trip killers, I had an addiction to benzos so they were a no go for me but I found that antipsychotics will kill a trip quick and put you to sleep within 20-30 mins, I use quetiapine 100mg now and it works like a dream

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Interesting. Is that something you were prescribed or did you purchase it covertly?

[@t-willythemadfragger3655]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica purchased covertly ;) but i could probably get it prescribed if i tried due to having BPD , shouldnt be doing psychs at all really but the psych world fascinates me i tread with caution these days . To be fair its prescribed off label as a sleep aid so you could possibly haggle a script going down that route but i havent tried it just speculating

[@t-willythemadfragger3655]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica antipsychotics downregulate the 5ht2a receptors that psyches bind to so really its a much more effective trip killer than benzos which can calm you down but some of the visuals may still be prevalent and as we all know benzos are a dangerous game i only got really addicted due to self medicating my severe anxiety after a terrifying trip where i nearly died jumping off a balcony , back then i tripped without trip killers i would never make that mistake again, i was also reckless with my psych use and didnt respect them at all

[@julesdrums6167]

2:43

[@EbonKim]

I'd rather re-word "bad trip" to "a great experience, but not a pleasant trip". These "bad trips" are the really great trips, where you learn a lot. However, it's not comfortable. It's like going camping. When you have a comfortable experience, it's not as memorable as the not-so-comfortable experiences. For example, we went camping a month ago, and our car got stuck in the sand, it was unbearably hot, and it stormed and drenched our tent. However, we remember it humorously well compared to all our more comfortable camping experiences.

[@Saturnarium]

As the self-proclaimed Queen of Bad Trips, I can confirm there is no such thing as a bad trip, all of them had deep lessons for me and I keep going back to the scary DMT entities who will attempt to suck the soul out of my body because every single time that happened, they vomited me back into existence once I realized that these entities are my own thought forms disguised as external beings. Great video!

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

If a trip sitter is there and all principles of Set and Setting have been taken into account: Yes, every trip can be good even the bad ones. But I think as bigger the trip is as harder it gets to integrate it into normality. Trips have long legs. Even after months they can hit you with something.

[@KraftyUk]

I'm just experimenting trying to get into the astral realm, and the D is my choice of gateway...

[@myNamesTakin]

There are definitely panic attacks for example

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

this is why it is very important to be good at breathwork. If everything gets very serious you only have your breath to stabilize. Works everytime for me. Breath through the terror and chaos until the sun rises again.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Yes there are definitely panic attacks, just like there many other outcomes.

[@calumjones]

Yeah people who think bad trips don't exist will change their mind when you try to dope them up on Salvia. People don't understand that """happy""" drugs can in fact be as fucked up as Salvia. DMT especially. DMT gave me PTSD symptoms very severely. A bad trip is also one where the experience is fucking horrifying and there is ZERO benefit, zero "lesson", zero anything. Just a horrible time and nothing gained. Like Salvia. Which for me is btw not really bad (but DMT is bad). Not all experiences have secret messages or anything to gain. Many are random spin of the wheel Salvia extract psychosis.

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

Once I tripped so hard I wanted to be as normal as possible as quickly as possible. Sometimes it is just too much too fast. But you can't go back. When everything goes bad and wrong. You see truly that nobody has control. That can be very shocking. Depersonalisation and Derealisation are no joke. Especially because our current society doesn't know anything about psychedelics. There is no knowledge or culture around it. You only have a couple of books and KZbin videos which doesn't help if you have traveled a billion years.

[@Illumignostic]

Take some Datura and tell me there’s no such thing as a bad trip

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I've never done it myself but I am friends with some Peruvian shamans who have dieted it and found it beneficial. But again, the message of the video isn't that there is no such thing as a bad subjective experience.

[@Illumignostic]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica dieted it? Not in any kind of psychoactive quantity. Scopolamine and it’s lot are very toxic, and the hallucinations are generally true hallucinations, which means that they are indistinguishable from actual reality. Toé flowers are more mild, so it’s possible your friends did that. Prolonged consumption of other parts of the plant would result in organ failure .

[@Illumignostic]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica that isn’t datura. Brugmansia. Use the pith in the stem you fin’a have a hard time. They used flowers, which are mild. And yes..,that is very beneficial if done properly

[@jimmykruzer]

I hate to break it to you guys especially because I liked this video but benzos will not always kill a trip in my experience, the worst trip of my life that gave me a fair amount of ptsd did not stop no matter hiw many xanax I took. I have heard that antipsychotics do the job though

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Sure, I would imagine there are certain individuals, and certain depths of experience that benzos will not cut through

[@jimmykruzer]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica omg! you saw my comment, thanks fir the videos you give people no b.s. information. I was wondering do you think mdma can help with tripping ptsd?

[@janwagner3020]

How would someone take a trip killer when they had a complete breakthrough ?

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Well you wouldn't, because you would not be capable of communicating that you were having a bad time and thus needed a trip killer.

[@janwagner3020]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica Could a second person help ?

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@janwagner3020 no doubt a second person can help in many ways, but they can only help based on input from the person who is having the experience, and if as you stated that person is having a "complete breakthrough", as in "not in their body and experiencing a completely alternate reality", then the second person would not be able to know the inner state of the experiencer.

[@janwagner3020]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica I see. Just out of curoiousity, would a trip killer kill a complete breakthrough trip if applied?

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@janwagner3020 I would imagine so

[@Joes7179]

Instead of seeing the devil. Try to concentrate on the details of the devil. He can't hurt you!