‘There’s no deal to be had.’ John Mearsheimer on Ukraine and Russia

[@SpectatorTV]

Full video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5yvmWBqr7yrhZI

[@AtomicPunkBR]

Please post only the link. For some reason I can't open it...

[@carolinecollett956]

The solution is to let everyone fight their own battles and not include nato forces headed by America 🇺🇸

[@CobaltNorthernStudios]

Exactly no need for the US to be the cops of the world anymore it always ends in catastrophe

[@CobaltNorthernStudios]

Such brilliant and simple analysis of the facts thank you professor

[@user-sj3qz9yo3f]

Exactly - so the war will continue until one side is exhausted. Then a ceasefire but no peace agreement.

[@jelena7440]

Russia can hold out much longer than Europe can. We shall see. I live in South Eastern Europe and inflation is going through the roof.

[@williamwayne4043]

Korean war part 2. 😞

[@williamdavis9562]

@@jelena7440you explained exactly how this will end. It is a matter of who can sustain this the longest. That is who will get what they want.

[@williamdavis9562]

@@williamwayne4043this one will play out differently

[@jelena7440]

@@williamdavis9562 thank you. Sadly I have civil war experience as a refugee though, ex Yugoslavia. Of course it's not the same thing, but nevertheless when they decided to end the war it was done in one day, behind the closed doors not on the battlefield. Russia and West will agree on how to divide Ukraine and that will be it.

[@rhino015]

Perhaps could a deal be reached after Russia takes Kharkiv and maybe Odessa, where Russia no longer wants any more of Ukraine, and the deal could be ok Ukraine is much less of a threat now, so let them have security assurances from the west. They’d be a lot further from Moscow by that point. Their economy would be hindered by having been land locked. They’d rely on good relations with Russia in order to use their ports. That gives Russia leverage over them to not allow another huge military build up. I think Russia could accept that. Whether Ukraine would is another question. But by that point we’re looking at another year or more of fighting. How many men would they have left? They may not have a choice by that point

[@AlexxJ.]

Easy: stop giving weapons to Z.

[@Scaleyback317]

No!

[@AlexxJ.]

@@Scaleyback317 , so, DO pay for them personally. Or travel there and fight, that is even better.

[@Scaleyback317]

@@AlexxJ. ​ @lykkelarke2009 I do - through my taxes and delighted to be able to do so. Served in the British Army for 16 years and followed that with over 30 years service to the Crown in another capacity. Retired aged 66 and am now 72 years young. Been where metal does its grisly business. Anything else?

[@AlexxJ.]

@@Scaleyback317 , ок. 72 - u do not pay any taxes anymore, you consume. AND I can understand why - u r still afraid of the "terrible Russians" from your younger days of the Cold War. Send your grandchild there, and let him be killed, why do u want Ukrainian people dead?

[@fanfeck2844]

And give in to fascist Russia?

[@fuadrahaman7040]

It's a perfect conflict.

[@opheliaelesse]

So very profitable for the weapons industry 👍🏼

[@GregNewYork1]

In a boxing match when the opponent gets knocked down again and again, the trainer or the referee will stop the fight, but in Ukraine’s situation the trainer keep injecting the loser with steroids and telling him to go and fight.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

Only Russia hasn't knocked down Ukraine. Ukraine has fought Russia to a standstill, forcing it into rout and retreat more than once.

[@GregNewYork1]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Let us be honest, if Russia would have carpet bombed Ukraine like the US and NATO did in the Middle East and Yugoslavia, then the Ukrainians world have been nocked down long ago.

[@johnnyrocker7495]

​@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 and the moon is made of cheese.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@johnnyrocker7495 And it'll only take three days

[@dallaw9238]

Russia is the one getting knocked down again and again. Putin just keeps mobilizing and drawing ancient tech (now T-55s) to keep throwing at Ukrainian defenses, losing massive numbers of men and equipment.

[@jamesmaher1989]

Ukraine wants Lugansk and Donbass back but it bombed Lugansk and Donbass from 2014 to 2022 killing over 10,000 people and destroying countless homes 😢

[@ismiismael]

False . The 100 000 deaths is from both side with military and civilians counted

[@skeena59]

And? It's still Ukrainian territory, it was inhabited by Russian separatists at the time.

[@jamesmaher1989]

The Maidan revolution was sponsored by the CIA and driven by the Neo Nazi movement. Russians fled to Lugansk and Donbass after peaceful protesters against the coup were burned alive in their tents by the Neo Nazis who were later feted as heroes of the revolution 😮

[@etiennedaoust7397]

Did u ever actually looks at the numbers? You numbuts get fooled everytime. Its litterally the most debunked propaganda piece of the Kremlin. The number of civilian death is nowhere near 10k. 75% of death are combattants from both side. And most happenned from 2014 to 2016. From 2017 to 2022 they were less than 400 dead per year on both side, both military and civilians. But yeah sure "Ukraines bomb the donbass for 8 years". 30 seconds search online and you can see its bullshit.

[@peterstaniforth451]

False. 10k is the number of military and civilians that died on both sides with casualties roughly equal on each side. This was a separatist war provoked and fuelled by the Putin regime.

[@batherrofmoistureaposto1785]

what about the peace agreement that the US destroyed. i LOVE how no one really talks about it.

[@etiennedaoust7397]

You mean the Minks agreements? The agreements that the second the cease fire was signed, sepearatist and russian troops started the second battle of the Donetks airport? Russians troops that should have left Ukraine (its was one of the main point of the agreement) but the Russians just said there was no russian troops in Ukraine?

[@derekcarter3470]

@@etiennedaoust7397 No. That's not what he is talking about, Borris Johnson along with U.S. counterparts were responsible for convincing Zelinsky they could fight Russia and win before this thing got out of hand. Bennet ( ex Israeli Prime Minister) was there at this meeting as a witness and told The World. Ukraine and Russia were in the process of making concessions.

[@etiennedaoust7397]

@@derekcarter3470 You forgot the part where russia was in fullblown retreat from their offensive on Kyiv and then there was the discovery of the massacre of Butcha. If you guys think Zelensky would have sign any ceasefire after that you are out of your mind. All he needed after that is europeans telling them that they would provide them with the weapons and amo they needed.

[@iyibu01]

Stop the slaughter. Thou shall not kill

[@mickey2927]

Utter bollocks. The Military-industrial complex says no.

[@Scaleyback317]

If Putrid were to withdraw his invading forces back into Russia and if he wishes to set up a de-militarized zone within Russia and pay reparations for the crimes/horror his forces have unleashed on Ukraine then there would be no requirement for the military industrical complex within all the nations involved (albeit the Russian would have to give up less as their whole industrial base is just a mess) Most NATO nations are having a general upgrade of their defences as a result of Putrid's action. Not at the behest of any of the military industrial complexes - all at the concern at the behaviour of an authoritarian megalomaniac. When the sun shines the whole ice cream/sun screen complex celebrates record calls for their goods and services. No different to the mil complexes. So why single them out?

[@nimbletimplekins7601]

​@@Scaleyback317 why would putin withdraw his forces, Ukraine started this war 8 years ago and they are finishing it. Btw all your precious western tanks are ending up as battle scrap and bakhmut is noe Artemovsk, how does it feel?

[@catstac2542]

​@@Scaleyback317It must be hard to hate something you know nothing about with such passion and spew the US anti-russian propaganda nonsense like a useful little idiot. I can't imagine the nightmare you go through on the internet everyday thinking that you have a "mission".

[@ghostface558]

​@@nimbletimplekins7601i think west and putin are both happy to see they can clear their old weapon storages from cold war, and test some new weapons and figuring out how modern wars should fight, that will guide their military industry to adjust their production lines.

[@richardglatz8309]

Yes Arms dealers run the world from shadows

[@dallas1891]

You would be surprised by the deals that can be had when one side realizes they can’t win

[@timothybrinicombe5025]

It's absolutely correct.. it's pointless.

[@MissKae_85]

I think Ukraine needs to work this out with Russia and Russia should provide Ukraine the security guarantee

[@spidif2544]

It already did, and Britain and France were guarantors. Russia broke that in 2022.

[@julienjeanmuller]

​@spidif2544 bullshit

[@maxstone6117]

No chance, Ukraine won't believe Russia and Russia won't believe it either, with the turnout of Minsk Agreement.

[@garethloxton3442]

Like they did when the Ukrainians surrendered the nukes back to Russia, and look how that Russian guarantee turned out

[@let_me_explain8572]

​@@spidif2544yeah let's just ignore the fact that both Merkel and Hollande confirmed that Minsk agreements were concluded just to "buy some time for Ukraine" so that it could prepare for the upcoming war.

[@guff9567]

It's all about arms sales.

[@neyenice]

It can be resolved but it will require lots of blood shed...all nations of earth invade Russia afterwards divide it and give Ukraine back it's original territories...or they can do everyone a favor and nuke us all God knows am tired if paying bills 😅😂😂😂😂

[@tomwhitworth1560]

And beating fascists

[@guff9567]

@@tomwhitworth1560 which ones are the facists, sorry?

[@Scaleyback317]

@@tomwhitworth1560 Who and where are the fascists? It is clear Putrid and Russia is acting in a fascistic fashion for sure. I guess there are some true fascists in the ranks of the Russian army, the Ukrainian Army and possibly most armed forces everywhere. Ukraine is fighting to survive Russia is fighting to subjugate - which sounds the most fascistic in behavour there?

[@Scaleyback317]

Something Russia used to be quite good at but given the track record of its equipment in Ukraine is now suffering terribly from - nobody wants what little their factories can currently produce. Nobody who wishes to prevail in a conflict would want to have Russian equipment as a gift let alone have to pay for it. It's all about megalomania - without which Putrid would not have put his empire in the position of being humbled by poor little Ukraine. Arms sales follows the megalomania.

[@jamesphelps1440]

He's right

[@SaddamHusein792]

In fact, there is only security guarantee for Ukraine and it is Russia

[@harenterberge2632]

Ukrainians know what Russian security means, it means oppression.

[@sbkenn1]

To be subservient, again ? In the past, russia has starved ukrainians to feed Russians. Stripped it of profits from minerals etc.

[@luisdotespinal]

Fuck that. Ukraine is a sovereign country, and Russia violates it.

[@MrJCann]

NATO is too thick-skulled to realise the way out of this mess. Their arrogance and their apathy are to blame for suffering. The situation is only going to get a lot worse for ordinary people and their loved ones. Blessed are the peacemakers.

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

You don't believe this is entirely intentional?

[@sbkenn1]

When the USSR disintegrated, NATO gave an undertaking not to move Eastward. Russia wanted their nukes from Ukraine and promised not to invade Ukraine in return. Russia invaded, twice.

[@kapitan19969838]

Twice?

[@sbkenn1]

@@kapitan19969838 Crimea, then the country.

[@kapitan19969838]

@@sbkenn1 Crimea wasn't invaded though. Crimea voted for independence from Ukraine (a landslide for the independence movement) and promptly requested admission into The Russian Federation. No shot was fired.

[@sbkenn1]

@@kapitan19969838 but the Catalonian vote was deemed illegitimate ! People living in Crimea should have moved to Russia if that was where their loyalties were. Does California have the Right to cecede?

[@kapitan19969838]

@@sbkenn1 All independence movements are illegitmiate. You think that The British King thought The Thirteen Colonies' independence was a legitimate action? All new nations carve themselves out of someone's disappointment.

[@peterneault283]

Russia go home. Thats it

[@mdiederichsen]

RUSSIA GO HOME!

[@playerish]

goodluck Ukr on the fighting for freedom, you have my pray and sympathy but not my tax money

[@marlanivanovich1828]

It would be better if you prayed for peace for everyone. Because "fighting for freedom" actually means bombing peaceful citizens of Donetsk, Lugansk People's Republic among the others vast majority of whom decided to live independently & under Russia protection due to (there are strong reasons to think so) pro-western coup d'etat organized by ultra nationalists in 2014 and consequent harassment, threats, banning Russian-speaking culture. Even if we accept the Ukraine's point of view and close our eyes to crazy things which happened with peaceful citizens and recorded by independent journalists all over the world (e.g. Patrick Lancaster), bombing and killing people who hate you and pray for living w/o you is very and very strange attitude. Needless to say I think both Ukraine and Russia are very corrupted countries, I have no sympathy for either Putin or Zelensky. I sympathize with ordinary people from all sides of conflict who die every day and continues to die while the US and EU sends weapons and money ((

[@elijahFree2000]

​@@marlanivanovich1828Putin invaded Ukraine twice. He wants territory. All fascists do.

[@__Andrew_]

ive a LOT of time for mearsheimer but DISAGREE here. I support an independent Ukraine but this is about "real politiek".

[@jillneves531]

Remove the ammunition any teacher knows this

[@albothug221]

John is the best

[@fauxman1]

Shillings. Conflict is the deal to be had. We've gotten good at it and he knows this

[@MloveT-ts4qj]

So this may be just about the money for oligarchs

[@claygreen4723]

On both sides.

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

Yeah ya think mate? 😂 Idk maybe just maybe

[@nhanha7433]

If they will bear pain then there is no deal. If they are feel pain then they figure out the way on their own. I see Putin matter rather Russia citizens care about the Ukraine conducted laws and orders. Their commerce by sea also short distance as well.

[@evgeniymamchenko9582]

A deal cannot be made not with Ukrainians but with the Ukrainian government, because it serves American interests not interests of Ukrainian people. While it is true, that during the war the current government will stay in charge indefinitely, in case of ceasefire they could quickly repeat the fate of Saakashvili.

[@janetmurphy7053]

Either you believe that independent nations have the right to both self-defense and self-determination (which alliances and trade agreements to enter into) or you don't. Clearly, this guy who couldn't win a fight to save his life doesn't. "Just let the bully stuff you in the locker... it's always worked for me!" He thinks Ukraine should just dance to Putin's tune or they deserve to be attacked. Ridiculous.

[@rhino015]

What’s fair and what’s achievable aren’t the same things though. Just because they theoretically should have the choice to do x doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences from the more powerful neighbour on their border who doesn’t want to accept what they perceive as the security risks of that decision for themselves. When that neighbour clearly articulated this point for many years and then carried out what they said they’d do, what else can be expected

[@rhino015]

@@janetmurphy7053I’ve heard that idea. And it would work if they had them set up in the way other powers do. The problem was just the situation at the time that decision was made didn’t really make sense to go that path. Russia had the launch codes and had set them up and ran all the maintenance programs for them etc. And keep in mind even in Russia at the time it was pretty chaotic at that point in time despite the ussr collapse being organised mostly by Russia, let alone in Ukraine. Media outlets were saying Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe 10 years ago let alone back then in a power vacuum from the collapse of the USSR at the time. Frankly it was unsafe for the whole world to leave this nuclear arsenal sitting around in that chaos. And Ukraine didn’t have the expertise or the programs to safely manage them at the time. It was a very strongly held opinion by everyone at the time that the safer option was for Russia to take them back. America was very much behind that decision as well. So it wasn’t realistic at the time for it to go that way. They could aim to acquire some now (after the war perhaps), but I don’t think America would let them, as there’s a strong nuclear non proliferation treaty most have signed that prevents it. Although a lot of countries really want them badly right now so maybe things will change. Who knows.

[@xne1592]

More Western narrative. Its just rubbish. How about we stop interference in the internal politics of Ukraine, how about we stop supplying billions of dollars worth of military supplies to the Ukraine, how about we stop edging ever nearer a nuclear exchange. Is Ukranian oil and gas really worth it?...

[@Scaleyback317]

More Orc misinformation delivered by yet another troll. How about Russia stop interfering in the affairs of all of their neighbours and let them walk their own road to the future. Future is something Putrid and Russia has very little of. The future for Ukraine is the EU and NATO with Russia losing its empire and sitting Moscow wondering WTF just happened.

[@Scaleyback317]

The Russians seem to think losing hundreds of thousands of their young men is a price worth paying for Ukrainian assets. Fine - we'll see how they feel with half a million as 200 or 300.

[@user-sj3qz9yo3f]

That's actually his view - give what Russia wanted and prevent a war.

[@Scaleyback317]

@@user-sj3qz9yo3f There's a stench of troll in the air.

[@uomoman8775]

He is not wrong here. And You need to watch his full opinion on this thing. It’s not pro-west by any means. It’s a realist view.

[@andriyandriychuk]

He's absolutely right. Smart man.

[@Perplexer1]

Well you can square this circle once one side inevitable "runs out of steam". In this case unfortunately Ukraine will probably be that side. If not weapons, then they will run out of soldiers. Simply because there are 5X more Russians available to mobilize as soldiers, compared to Ukrainians. So I can actually imagine Zelensky one day getting on TV and telling his people something like "We fought hard, but circumstances demand us to make some consessions for the sake of peace" , even if it won't really be peace, but just a cease-fire. And he will leave the occupied territories to Russia. That's how I see it happening. I just can't see Ukraine being able to push Russia who has hundreds of airplanes, bombers, ships and nuclear weapons, out of the occupied territory. It's just not realistic.

[@catstac2542]

Awe, yes, Zelenski, the man who fights for the US corporate interests down to the last Ukrainian male. What a wonderful leader he is 👎🏻.

[@MegaBoolaBoola]

This is not going to end in a ceasefire. This is going to end in a collapse.

[@sktan3743]

Only people’s power can bring about a cease fire for negotiation to begin. Negotiation is going to be difficult and long winding. At least 5G killing and wounding has been stopped .

[@robertlaevaert7526]

Russia make in many country's ,like Moldavië, Georgia, Europa ,many smal country's for check out in time how the can take all . Thats the tactic .!!! 😮😮

[@TSEliot1978]

Komolyan Robi minden mögött Putyint látja. Igazi ruszofób, hallgathatatlanná teszi az egész műsort a Moszkvázása, ami két percenként megy.

[@scottderby5309]

So when peace comes, it will have to be imposed.

[@Jeff-mm1en]

We Need the Planetary Owner to come and draw the Borders for each Country, then set up a Neutral Dominant Justice Committee backed by the same Police Force Networks and Neutral Dominant Military Force. With high paid Volunteer Service Members that do the necessary Military Duties by choice. Then also a Centralized Prison System that includes a Prison City for all levels of Criminal and high Criminal Crimes. Voted on, Judged, Convicted, Sentenced and Enforced by All. Then we need an end to Eternal Power Theft!

[@luisluis5306]

give the russians east germany

[@agamemnonofmycenae5258]

After the first treaty, and subsequent course of events, they would blow up the equivalent of East Germany rather than giving it to anyone.

[@fw8465]

Poland chuckles nervously

[@nalamanonixservices3275]

Lmao

[@KyeM260]

Simple fix, put trump back in office for one, because trump had a good connection and understanding with both Russia and Ukraine, and number 2 just put both in nato that way you not only have another military force that you can help but you completed some of your goal of expanding NATO east and Russia and Ukraine will basically be forced to become friends and that way you kinda solve the land crisis

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

​@@KyeM260Can't have that mate, that'll ruin the entire point of this money printing racket they've got set up

[@considerthis7712]

In light of the recent events and statements from Prigozhin about the real reasons for the invasion, Please ask Mearsheimer how his hypothesis compares and stacks up!!!!

[@PhilaTsavo]

He probably would not want to comment on Prighozin's descent into lunacy.

[@jmdavison62]

@@PhilaTsavo Mearsheimer isn't even prepared to comment on tenuousness of the position into which his threadbare "realist" doctrine has led him, so don't expect him to say anything substantial about anything that runs counter to Putin's narrative. The only "lunacy" associated with Prighozin's recent acknowledgement of Putin's motivation for the genocidal invasion of Ukraine is that Prigozhin was impertinent enough to state that 2 + 2 = 4. What follows is left as an exercise for the reader.

[@anthonykaiser974]

​@@PhilaTsavoPrighozhin dares speak truth to power and he's "descending into lunacy." Yeah, I see how it works.

[@jeffpeterson5791]

Lil Z was upset with late payment, he insists on auto debit for next ten years while scolding the politicians that delayed His money. Your welcome?

[@gkceu8157]

Anyone who thinks Ukraine can win this lives in a fantasy land.

[@sarcasmunlimited1570]

Russia is able to, and perhaps even wants to, take control of Odessa and Kharkov plus adjacent territory it considers historically Russian. The Ukrainian gambit could be to try and retain the said areas and to preserve a free Kievan government, albeit with military neutrality and limits on future rearming.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

The true reason is that neither will negotiate 😮

[@bluecheese20401]

There's always a deal to be had. It takes time and...unfortunately it takes blood...to find it.

[@user-cr1eu6qh6i]

A deal can only happen when Putin & Co are "retired"

[@williamdavis9562]

@@user-cr1eu6qh6iRussian state policy on this issue won’t change regardless of who is in power. As long as their geography doesn’t change, this policy won’t change.

[@ghasd12]

wheres full VIDEO

[@braedenh6858]

This is a classic problem with a classic solution. If two sides can't agree, they fight until one concedes or someone else forces them to come to an agreement.

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

More like a classic money printing racket

[@mitchellbaker4806]

The only way I can see it ending is mass desertions in the Ukrainian Army due to feeling inadequately resourced and that it's almost cause.

[@tropix4392]

The resources are coming from the west just fine and they can do so for a long time, not like Russia whose soldiers does not even know why they are at the front fighting fellow slavs.

[@nimbletimplekins7601]

​@@tropix4392 they know why, because Ukraine and the maidan junta started this war 8 years ago when they invaded the dobass.

[@Scaleyback317]

It's possible as us everything in warfare. I would suggest the Russians are arguably even more susceptible to that outcome.

[@mitchellbaker4806]

@@tropix4392 you should watch Mearsheimer's 2015 lecture.

[@mitchellbaker4806]

@@Scaleyback317 that's certainly the western propaganda angle.

[@esnova11]

Its up to US if their investment in ukraine will return or not, (as it shown more likely not) if US sees its a lost cause they will stop dumpping money on Ukraine, although west europe already sucked dry. So there is no choice for Ukraine to make a deal with much less territory they have started with more likely they will lose it to Poland, Hangery and Romania too. Econicly US cant efford to make mistake and expose its uncompetancy to the world as it has been shown for the last 30 years.

[@Lori-xt2lf]

Sooo… Detent? Love that word lol

[@jannafanta5707]

if ukraine hadnt been tormenting killing and terrorizing the ppl in the tiny territories youre talking about who are 75% russians who begged putin to help them for many years not to mention the nuclear facilities that ukraine threatens us all with and the west lining the pockets of neo nazis wearing nazi insignia then there wouldnt be a war

[@Charles-pf7zy]

how many civilinas killed by UAF 2014-2022, now how many civliians killed by Russia since then? Why did Russia try to open a front to Kyiv? Why couldn't they have just marched into Donbass and Donetsk to "protect' their russian people? Why did they turn Mariupol into crater when Mariupol supposedly has ethnic Russians?

[@tropix4392]

Do your research, the russian soldiers entered thoes territories long before it was know that they were Russian and orchestrated the whole “we need help” pretext for russia to attack

[@PhilaTsavo]

​@@Charles-pf7zyThe match to Kyiv was an attempt to compel the government to honour the Minsk Accords. Russia did not want to take over territory. They reached an agreement, Russia withdrew from Kyiv and surrounding territory as an act of good faith, the West intervened via Boris Johnson and scuttled everything. We know this because Israel's Naftali Bennett who was one of the mediators confirmed everything and a few days ago, we all had a chance to see that March 2022 agreement.

[@catstac2542]

@@Charles-pf7zy Because they have to destabilize Ukraine to make it unable to get under NATO's (American's, obviously) influence so that it becomes a neutral country. Ukraine did not honour the Minsk Agreements (about staying neutral) - if it did, Russia would have no need for invading. In other words - yes, Ukraine did start this war. Poor stupid Ukraine thought NATO is going to fight this war for them, so that they wouldn't have to bear the consequences of their actions.

[@michaelmcfeely6588]

What will the rebuilding of Ukraine cost the U.S. taxpayer?

[@williamdavis9562]

If black rock can make money, yes. If they can’t, then no.

[@rockyfjord5338]

The solution is unconditional surrender and Russia determining the terms.

[@user-ps2xl6ni7e]

Putins boy

[@Ekoz24]

Based.

[@infrared2084]

Zelensky needs to meet Prighozin

[@eddyvanweelij4412]

Why is this man not retired?

[@antoineroccamora]

To softly pick at your birdbrain, day in day out

[@Mahatma618]

This looks like a forever war

[@brianellinger6622]

i think he said "LEAVE" or go to prison for stuff you didn't do.../ welcome to moco... good thing i know th 1.16

[@markhenderson2306]

Hi old Croton teammate! Mark H.

[@maxim5and20]

I will tell you what may happen. Russia will change the regime in Ukraine. Keep the eastern Ukraine and offer the western Ukraine to Poland, Romania, Hungary, it’s part of their country. So there maybe no more Ukraine

[@tropix4392]

Why would they give a part of Ukraine to Poland or any other Europe state that in their view is a threat to them

[@-xirx-]

Transnistria next, eh?

[@brianwesley28]

​@@tropix4392Because they'll be a nightmare to govern during an occupation and attempted integration.

[@catstac2542]

They already offered some of Ukraine to Poland and the latter declined, which is probably for the best considering that Ukraine never came clean about the brutal mass murders on Polish AND Ukrainian people in 1943 to 1945 (known as Massacre of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia) carried out by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Who wants people who still bow to the fascist Germany under its jurisdiction?

[@Jerrilyn-bq8ph]

That was very informative info, thank you for Clarifying, the conflict between between Russia and Ukraine

[@alexandrnoskov5437]

Since when is the territory obtained in the course of referendums called "conquered"?

[@ultimaratio7373]

100%! Long live the Belgorod People 's Republic!

[@Scaleyback317]

When the vote cannot be verified as honest. That covers just about everything Russia has ever been involved with.

[@alexandrnoskov5437]

@@Scaleyback317 If you think that in Crimea, Kherson region, Donetsk or Lugansk (southwest of the former Ukraine) there were no international observers at the independence referendum, then you are very much mistaken. They were present, although not in an official capacity. The only lawlessness that I saw was the US elections, during which not a single foreign observer had and does not have the opportunity to approach the polling station.

[@tomwhitworth1560]

@@alexandrnoskov5437 None of those referendums were considered fair or free. Especially after the majority of the population fled or were forced out by the fascist Russians

[@Scaleyback317]

​@@alexandrnoskov5437 What happens and how the US conducts itself during their elections processes is of no importance to me. I go back to my statement the vote cannot be verified which is why it cannot be accepted as valid. You can dress it up in whatever nonsense you wish it does not change the international view.

[@Slingblade69ss]

Why does the American government have so much interest in protecting Ukraine over protecting our own country

[@jw362]

I notice Mearsheimer feels it’s safe to resurface after lying low for months. Must have gotten a new grant.

[@ijazchaudry1311]

And it is a conflict between communisum and democracy

[@MegaBoolaBoola]

Mearsheimer claims he is a "realist", but he can't see reality. In a speech he gave on October 23, 2023, he still thinks this conflict will end in a stalemate, and result in a frozen conflict.

[@MoroZ4300]

You have a a very interesting point. Would you mind elaborating in why it will not end in a stalemate.

[@MegaBoolaBoola]

@@MoroZ4300 Because it is not a stalemate. Russia is methodically winning.

[@spidif2544]

The only solution that can give any is that the invaders are defeated. The supporters of Ukraine have to up their support urgently. It’s been too slow

[@youlig1]

Just give Russia the territory they already have and let Ukraine join Nato for defence guarantee? Or say that Russia needs to go out and Ukraine will not be part of Nato

[@jkuang]

Of course there is a deal. The deal between Ukraine and Russia. As long as West is out of the picture, Ukraine and Russia could make a deal very quick.

[@MegaBoolaBoola]

100% truth!!!

[@richardglatz8309]

Ukrainians could not trust russians after all this mess. To your surprise there actually politicans in the west, which want peace and negotiations, but Ukraine does not want no peace talks, for obvious reasons.

[@alexrothwell2053]

You're deluded. Without the West, Ukraine would be steamrolled and it would be a very one-way deal

[@anthonykaiser974]

As of a deal with Putin is worth anything but the piece of paper it's printed on. 😂

[@harenterberge2632]

Putin will not respect any agreement.

[@jpleopreem5575]

The deal is : Russia goes back home and Ukraine stay out of NATO .. very easy!

[@gopalramanathan7062]

Something the Russians have been asking for for the past three decades in the first place.

[@kishfoo]

What about a separate Donbass state? Russia gets to beef them up for a new iron curtain if they allow Ukraine to join NATO and maybe the EU. Everybody's happy, no?

[@BlackpillFacts2019]

they already voted to join Russia

[@kishfoo]

@BlackpillFacts2019 Yeah, but democracy utilizes deception in that the ends justify the means. Even presidential Macron tried to raise the count of French citizens in New Caledonia in order to sway the vote and instate a more French leaning New Caledonian president. It'll have to be retaken, with only those born in Donbass and Crimea, by a third party with no interest nor stakes in the matter. A truly independent entity that serves justice purely for the sakenof justice. Since everyone's got fingers in everybody elses pies, I guess we continue with wars.

[@itwaslikeemptiness]

Interestingly these are the two reasons there will be an end to the conflict once Ukrainians wake up, or once China or somebody else from Europe intervenes and helps negotiations. Offer some land for security and vice-versa. Pretty simple.

[@WiscoMike]

Here's a solution; stop funding and supply and Ukraine will settle.

[@TheColossalBlanket]

But you have no problem with North Korea and Iran supplying Russia?

[@WiscoMike]

@@TheColossalBlanket Russia has long term relationships with Iran, and to some extent North Korea; however, the bigger supporter is China. As long as the US and NATO decide to meddle, challenge, and prod Russia this intervention will continue. All of this is caused by the US and EU forcing NATO expansion. How many more must die for a fool's errand. Ukraine will not conquer Russia.

[@antoineroccamora]

Mike doesn’t want to know everything, just wants a good night sleep like the rest of us

[@williamdavis9562]

@@TheColossalBlanketthey’re both selling to Russia. Not gifting for the purpose of prolonging this as long as humanly possible. Not saying who is right and who is wrong. Just stating the obvious difference which you seem blind to.

[@sergio7248]

If someone loves democracy, they support the fight against tyranny in Ukraine. This crap with isolationism is dumb. One doesn't love freedom and watch as an entire country loses it while they could stop it with 1% of their GDP. Do you think it is cheaper for America if Russia wins?? 😂 We would be back to the cold war. Say goodbye to the peace dividends. Back to Reagan level military spending.

[@Joe-fe7jy]

Blah Blah Blah. You were wrong about Russia and you are doubling down. You witnessing the downfall of Russia

[@Bryankips]

WARMONGER NUKE

[@fernandesac9703]

Oh really

[@woodpecker6452]

Moscow MERSH

[@LorisMagnani]

And suddenly Mearsheimer's realism becomes useless. Surprise surprise

[@PanagiotisZolotis-rn7vy]

Eminent Professor, It's not (just) territories conquered by the Russians! It's territories whose grand majority of population wants to stay with Russia (art. 1, par. 2 of U.N. Charter)!

[@uomoman8775]

Research this man’s full opinion on this conflict. He certainly opened my eyes. The west is to blame for this conflict.

[@Barbabapan]

The ever-grinning liar.

[@Loyal_Lion]

No, JM, Russia does not want Ukraine to be a "neutral state." Putin wants to take it over as part of Russian Empire 2.0 or at least be a subservient client state like Belarus. If it were actually acceptable for Ukraine to truly be a neutral state with limited ties to either the west or Russian then none of this would happened in the first place.

[@item6931]

Such a statement of the obvious. This is all it takes to be a professor now?

[@user-sj3qz9yo3f]

you are too naiive