There's No Reason To Continue Playing MapleSEA: An Endgame Perspective

[@Yukinon]

If you guys could type welcome to Kronos for me in the comments that would make me feel a lot better thanks

[@minus8136]

WELCOME TO KRONOS YUKIIII

[@ngyx9097]

Welcome to Kronos. I just got there too!

[@EpinceKopiO]

Welcome to Kronos :D, can I join you too

[@ksrumble6319]

welcome to Kronos!

[@domo3858]

Maybe we all join you. Time to sell all eq and move to Kronos

[@Lumi_dark]

Thank you for speaking up for fellow maplesea players! This isnt a rant at all but facts that we maplesea players have been getting the shorter end of the stick for a long time :')

[@MisusingTV]

welcome to gms

[@shinraix5041]

It truly is the heroic servers. Saving addicted one mapler at a time to enjoy a better gaming experience (not by much) but better than wherever they came from.

[@HoleyCowz]

you forgot to include that in the cube changes from red/black/additional to what we have now, they increased wapc / capc price from 4k to 5k as well KEKW

[@xxyxjj]

I expected nothing and I was still disappointed

[@amossyc]

Always appreciate your content Yuki, thanks for voicing out your concerns. i believe many other end game players share your frustrations

[@AstreSEA]

Thank you for your short and succint video on the current problems. Playpark just went from player centric and experience in the past to “Just make sure we do things that benefits us best albeit it will be a short term gain, the players will continue to throw money to us”. None of our rollbacks are ever getting compensated , missing items getting ignored , even the recent patch shows how minimal effort they are putting in to just import content from other servers (wrongly naming your players server pfft)… Had to even re release I Gacha after ages to earn more money while not addressing the real underlying issue.. Thanks for speaking up on behalf of the players Yukieee, hoping that this will cause the company to catch some fire and realise wtf they were doing

[@Aeron_GMS]

Welcome to kronos. You are one of the big reason I have been trying to spread how awful msea has been in the past couple years, I truly hope they make a 180 and start adopting a more player friendly attitude toward the game but at this point I don't believe it will ever happen

[@nljw]

Great video, thanks for speaking up Yukie. The issue in Maplestory SEA is the combination of exorbitant cube costs and enormous time commitment to level for end-game bossing and fragment farming, which is unrealistic for most working adults who typically lack having both time and financial resources. If not for nostalgia and Covid19 happening, MapleSEA wouldn't have seen so many return players. Over the past year, seeing each update’s deviation from KMS has discouraged friends and me from spending on Maple, as we’re merely third class players. The frequent ban waves on botters, resulting in well-funded friends quitting has been utterly demoralizing to say the least. And with the recent update on meso cap and unreleased meso cubes, I think it’s no longer worth spending on the game - and honestly, it never was

[@MaoscedeS]

They're organising an event soon In Malaysia next month. Hopefully somebody go and voice it out there to get the attention of nexon korea/asiasoft directly.

[@iamchynhuei]

Malaysian can always "boikot"

[@ShirleyCan]

Hi Yuki, it’s been a great run now that it has to come to this. I’ll probably slowly transit to Kronos or just quit in general. This announcement is just disappointing. I’m about to liberate next month and expected nothing. Impossible to feel worse at this point but playpark actually topped themselves again. All the best in your journeys ahead. Once again thank you for speaking out for our community.

[@romanling8297]

Maplesea has been showing red flags like yrs ago but I love how most people only start feeling disappointed like moments ago. Very high chance due to they still sticking to milking the oblivious players keep throwing money. There’s a saying: if something isn’t broken don’t fix it, and I think maplesea did a great job of it. But Ngl it’s kind of fun to see ppl being sad for low frags drop when I was getting 6-8 frags during doing grandis dailies. Since asiasoft’s published games tend to have desire censorship. Meaning the more you want it, the less likely u will get it. But yuki thx for voicing out

[@imezxdchannel]

If something isnt broken, dont fix it. True. But what they are doing right now is, break it, and dont give a solution to fix it. Thats fucked up

[@SiriusTrance]

All of it is straight to the point , try switching the @cash rate to MYR and you can hear we Malaysian crying . Regarding the sol erda fragment from the design standpoint , it will become easier to obtain when more skills is added probably from event shop , just like the vmatrix *Copium.

[@mahiruchan6424]

Well most of the whales r from sg in case u duno.

[@iBoomWoBaoZa]

I hate it, when cube tier up rates and gachapon pull rates is not publicly disclosed, yes, there is no law to govern this, but MSEA spenders are literally just blind spending whereas KMS and GMS have shown rates, why Playpark cannot be more transparent to players? Yeah, being a legitimate player is very exhausting, there is so much temptation to resort to bot(easily available) but is against ToS. I believe there is many ways to monetize the game, like an Auto Combat system(adopted from Maplestory M) potentially creating regulated "botting" legally with cash item that allows it, subscription-based membership for exclusive maps for higher spawn maps(adapted from frenzy totems) but Playpark just wants to use torture us players with a "hard" mode.

[@Delusionaybootes]

They don’t know what the players are going through, just blindly following the patches and removing whatever they deem fit. Welcome to Kronos !

[@ArtezobaGMS]

Sorry about the terrible server situation, hope things will improve. But, WELCOME TO KRONOS! I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY.

[@tablespoon1277]

The fact that they let people sell cube service for few thousand profit per person for 3 events already tell you how good of a credit they can hold

[@AoiSayuriDesu]

Thanks for the video, esp for providing all the maths to backup your speech 💯

[@h33day]

Worth pointing out that the prices are in SGD. Pricing and rates are bad enough, can you imagine also losing money to exchange rate for anyone living outside of Singapore?

[@imezxdchannel]

The x3.6 debuff amirite?

[@MonsAranSea]

Thanks you for voice out.

[@jman2413]

thanks for sharing our unjust. For all mentioned it is really unjustice for us players to be put in such disadvantage as we play and progress through while comparing to other servers.. As for cubes pity system, price, and meso cube, my view is that unfortunately PP office is in SG where by most companies in general are profit minded, hence, they did not introduce those so that they can stay rather more profitable if we players are in disadvantage of the cube system and continue to buy cubes to progress.

[@UltraDragonz]

Thank you very much for speaking up yuki 💪🏻

[@phantomsea8987]

I knew it's screwed to play MSEA any further last year and went to GMS reboot. Here's something, it's about 1.5 years in reboot and it out perform everything I work for about 5 years in MSEA. (CSlime/CGloom at GMS-Reboot, NLucid/EWill at MSEA) If Asiasoft have made at least cubing to be mesos base, it will be quite ideal for some players to return.

[@Ayou0811]

Depends. Reboot rewards people who grinded alot. Some people who dont have much time to grind is not gonna do super well in reboot.

[@fsfs2778]

​@@Ayou0811u can use the robot from msea to train in reboot 😮

[@Ayou0811]

@@fsfs2778 nah immediate ban lmao

[@phantomsea8987]

​@@Ayou0811 I don't grind much (1hour per day at most) and I still way ahead from MSEA Journey. Able to grind is definitely a good way to be ahead. But bulk of the mesos is from bossing anyway. 1 week is about 2bil per character for you to upgrade which is at least much more bearable then what MSEA is offering.

[@Ayou0811]

@@phantomsea8987 2bil bossing income per character requires considerable ifunding (both time and meso). I think you are probably aware, its like hlotus/hdamien mule. Msea or any regular server is for those who values time more than money so they can just straight up buy the equipments they seek. Probably use the supposed grinding time to make more real money irl idk lol It will take quite awhile to finish setting up all your bossing mules. You need links/level/symbols/nodes/legion/gear. And none of those are tradeable, you have to find a way to get them on your own.

[@levemaple]

well said sir i may have quit awhile back but i have the same sentiments as you, welcome to Kronos

[@1sttikoAquila]

removing ASOK also makes henehoes do not want to spend in game

[@olyedggame3534]

Guys, we need to find a new game to transfer to, all of us can move together and we can finally be free from such unethical marketing campaigns.

[@ngyx9097]

Thanks Yukiee great vid. This isnt a rant since every point was substantiated with evidence and mathmatics!

[@kenchong3699]

And I used 250 choice cubes to tier a single piece of item from cash shop during DMT

[@mapleseayveltal1926]

Yes yes yes, the owner of Asiasoft have zero business sense. Thinking by nerfing content and keeping price high will bring them more profit but end up backfired and leads to more player qutting over the years instead of spending more on the game.

[@koaisasd3139]

i feel bad for you guys. you guys always get the short end of the stick. welcome to gms

[@akillergx]

thank you for speaking up!!

[@98MattMatt]

is not ranty just frustrated with the condition of the game, as a mapler i can understand the frustration of us players trying to progress in the game. As a former GMS player, i can say that MSEA is really not F2P friendly at all. is not. the amount of free stuff GMS gives to players is insane. where as for MSEA, no free dmg skin storage or beauty hair/ eyes storage. Also the mileage shop is just sad here in MSEA. 3 cubes per month. GMS got 5 red and 5 black from the mileage but no bpot cube like KMS has. What Niru said about GMS reg server is the same kinda happening in MSEA but worst. Yes PLAYPARK DID force the players to bot for frags just to progress in the game. Drop rate is ridiculous low even with max DR coming from you doing the maths. is just BS. Thanks for pointing it out. and it is not a rant. just Frustration with the company treating us players like CASHCOWS and not caring.

[@petertsen2947]

i even has suspicion the recent changes to 2 player max per authentic map instanced map and the 1k mob requirement so botter can farm easily without interference

[@mahiruchan6424]

Yea Even gms reg oso remove instance map.

[@Bloddrake]

Welcome to GMS, we need all the players we can get =P

[@GRUILYMRPLLAB]

They even removed karma yellow cubes from union coin shop lol that's hilarious af.

[@howardtjh5082]

Not forgetting the mesos we earn from Weekly Bosses is alot times lower than other GMS. For the pity system it is unless the Government voice out and do something able it or it will never happen.

[@Hsjj01]

+1000 gyatt, this is why u r my 3rd fav streamer 🐐💪🏼🗣💯🙌🏾

[@ronniechand]

Yuki, you should start a guild to make msea players feel at home too!

[@max11max11kok]

It’s unfathomable why MSEA implement meso changes but exclude mesos cubes, it’s a death sentence to F2P players, there’s really no point to play a game that’s trying to screw F2P players over and over again.

[@moonshine8233]

ay bro i hope it works out for you, knowing playpark though i don't think it's likely :/. best of luck bro

[@johnarcenas883]

Welcome to Kronos! Although, you are sooo deep into Maplesea I think it would be a waste to just transfer.

[@34525314]

we welcome all of you to GMS

[@danielcwl862]

My rant is as above to nexon "Removing ursus and then compensate with what? Epic high mountain? Mesos Cap? Hei everything cost mesos here and there. Your new players or some players who depend on ursus and not yet able to do Epic High Mountain can do what? Also Epic High Mountain give you 2 coins and the valuations are 35m per coins plus minus. So in a week u earn 70m plus minus without spending cash ? Ursus gave us 150m plus minus in a week. From 650m (Ursus) downgraded to 300m (EHM) (unless u very rich fcking whale spend acash every week). How is that called a fair comparison? So going forward we have to play 5-10 mules for bossing? Is this a game or a job now? Casual players like myself also wan to just do dailies and be done with it. Now got stupid 3k mobs dailies, 5k guild weeklies and 6th job progression with authenthic symbols till carcion, and then coupled with EQ needs to be 22-23SF then only can one play. And dont forget flames, potentials and add pot. This year is looking very bleak for maple. No wonder high turn over player base. Even new players will just puke when they realize what we old players have to go through. The real problem is not mesos itself but the whole game itself is the problem. Party play with friends you also penalize by making everyone poor by sharing boss mesos to become so measly. This is regular server, can answer why some eq need to be untradeable when boss drops like hmag cape? regular server not trading is encourage meh? everybody knows in order to progress you have to somehow buy mesos or fork up a large sum of cash to just be able to complete some 22-23 sets. This game is a joke for what it is now. Says listening to players, but i think the dev never play the game everyday and see how progression it is for normal casual players, and or hardcore players. Even with a whole team of DR 200%-300% gears your boss drop rate for hard/chaos boss are a joke in your face. Whole year 1 fantasy belt ?1 commandeer force earing ? 1 Curse will book ? Who the hell can wait so many tries to get 1. Going forward everyone now need Mesos Rate because of mesos cap. As you all can tell. The game itself is a problem. Ive been hosting ursus for many years and i will retire on May 28. I will see the game progression, if its not looking good its time to really stop. Alot of my friends no longer play this game because of how the time gated this is for a "Game"."

[@GodOfMechas]

thank you for voicing out 🙌

[@rooklumin5443]

they really did u guys dirty over there, hoping you come to GMS with better time and experience overall

[@junlin4536]

Not to mention the unstable servers that have already caused two rollbacks this year. Just yesterday there was already a mass disconnection

[@csong5523]

And guess what? They are proud about it and naming DMT events to like "Donate your Money Time"

[@mynameisjeff9578]

not to mention removal of asok for no apparent reason...

[@dorafarmdora7088]

Welcome to Kronos! what is Kronos? GMS server?

[@jellybean6902]

Came from reboot to sea, not sure if I made the right choice

[@IKenAkiraI]

Ever since Zen removal without Moxuan replacement, I had been casual play this server without spending any money into it. This game is too p2w and very anti players welfare. Not to mention with our nerfed and delayed overseas contents and events such as gollux, familiar system, misty island, guild castle, expedition,etc. everything released 6 months behind all overseas servers. And why Misty Island totem isn't T7 flame? And yes, delayed Union Artifact and 2nd mastery core but remove ML and implement job balancing first that comes with origin nerf for most classes, whoever decide this content schedule should get fired for being not considerate and pure ugly money milking scheme from 3x/5x High Mountain rewards.

[@Kaniwoo]

Welcome to gms, we hope you enjoy your time :3

[@Dubsly]

welcome to kronos 😿

[@ArcaneLD_MS]

Honestly everyone from MSEA should just migrate over to GMS at this point, welcome to Kronos

[@set7618]

Shit like this is the reason why I ended up not installing back MSEA =(

[@KennLoke-vk6oh]

If there's one thing you need to take away. MSEA always take the strategy of punishing the players for their own fault - eg. lowering the prize of the field boss just becoz they couldnt get rid of the bot. I quited as soon as I realized how arrogant Nexon & Asiasoft is.

[@Takyuuu]

welcome to Heroic greatness ❤

[@notenoughiframes]

Damn, I thought GMS reg was bad.

[@Matthew-o8w]

you thought i thought who confirm

[@bubugame7274]

They are indeed really bad, and Kronos is not reg server. You can easily find boss party anytime, and people are everywhere in Kronos (reboot server). While in reg server, it's dead and doomed. Hard to find parties if you are totally new. Boss parties are for friends and families. Although you can get arcane equips a lot easier there (reg server) , it's a nightmare to star them to 22* (gms has the most expensive StarForce price among all the server)

[@joneslee2518]

Anyone knows how to play GMS? Seems like it’s blocked in SG 😢 You are right Yuki, Maplesea always gets the short end of the stick.

[@Brandon-zr2je]

need to vpn if i’m not wrong

[@joneslee2518]

@@Brandon-zr2je so with vpn will do ya? ok thanks! which server is better for new players F2P?

[@Jhhhhyhhnjgy]

@@joneslee2518heroic servers, so kronos or hyperion

[@joneslee2518]

@@Jhhhhyhhnjgy ok, any recommendations on the VPN?

[@tikus8567]

​@@joneslee2518 Exitlag. You can set it so that the VPN affects the launcher and Maple only. Use US or AUS server and you should be able to access GMS

[@koreanfermentedcabbage8496]

thank you for your videos sir

[@lolisamurai]

msea is actually such a cursed version of the game, welcome to GMS

[@kghj6937]

Time for Exitlag into Kronos

[@KCJ9145]

That’s what they have been doing, just like what happen to the hexa cubing

[@NormieNPC]

Is this the reason why you gone dark 😢 rip streamer. You were great to have in the background grind to or ask for gear advices as i progressed

[@RedoOfLife]

Welcome to GMS! Playing Solis (EU) but regardless of server, GMS Reboot would be best suited for you, especially with the hours you put in ❤

[@Stickasal]

Welcome to kronos we will always have space for you

[@Jancy_49]

anyway, growth system chge is a profit related thing

[@kentyuy7548]

Thanks for speaking up 💪💪💪

[@tong3059]

Welcome to Kronos, which vpn did you use to jump ship @yukinon.

[@birdsonlybirds8291]

no one playing hyperion? :(

[@tong3059]

100% agreeable, just allow us to go to GMS already.

[@ichaota1387]

not to mention msea missing out on gollux and commerci, i think it's time to migrate

[@lanticosu]

Welcome anybody and everyone going to Kronos, Hyperion and Solis

[@Zerocheatclass]

I agree with your video to a large extent.

[@mattcee7113]

Why is there no Reboot/Heroic servers in MSEA? Not many people can afford to pay for cubes and would spend more time progressing than paying to progress… Also economy wouldn’t exist meaning less bots since people cannot trade.

[@breadybready]

Supposedly cause it doesnt generate $ for playpark hmm But then, kms monetisation is now basically baiting f2p to sell their mesos to buy those overpriced packages (49.9k event passes x4 = 199.6k maple points which is like 7b mesos) Which in msea, the same 199.6k would cost around 40b mesos and from what we see, msea pretty much never reduce prices from kms prices Except that the effort to earn mesos are around the same so it just means that msea player needs to put in x6 the effort to get the same things, while in kms they can get it with x1 effort and the remaining x5 effort can be used to upgrade other things (progressing further than msea players)

[@winjun12]

there is also event meso shop compare to kms the price is totally arse lol

[@InstancesKMS]

gms players finally realizing theyre playing the private server babymode version of the game? hope so

[@AmorFatiMementoMori]

18 frags an hour damn…..I get 40-50 with 368 drop in GMS and even then this is brutal

[@domo3858]

18 is ALOT btw hahah. Most of us get 2-8 per hr

[@god-me4rw]

do u play dog server or smth how are you getting 40-50

[@AmorFatiMementoMori]

@@god-me4rw buccaneers just fly across the map so we got good mob kill count an hour

[@god-me4rw]

nobody is getting 40-50 an hour on reboot it doesnt matter how much you grind

[@jellybean6902]

Sad I came back recently expecting at least the basic updates. Very disappointed

[@Shirosaki_Ichigo]

MSEA is the worst server rn, most expensive, no pity, untrade frags, anddddd meso cap

[@super-social-saltyfish]

cms：hold my beer

[@GRUILYMRPLLAB]

Wait you get 18 frags/h? I get less than 10 frags/h ba

[@mahiruchan6424]

He got max Dr.

[@OGYouTubeEnjoyer]

lmao do people really use paid cubes to tier up to rare and unique?

[@exarex9697]

wait what math did you use to average out the amount of cubes needed to tier up? if i use geometric distribution, its 35 cubes on average to tier up. if i use binomial distribution at 2% chance with 2000 tries, i get around 39-40 successes or around 50 cubes average to tier up. how did you get 64.2 cubes on average to tier up?

[@domo3858]

I used 500 and still unique. I would not be surprised if our rates are lower

[@jonathanong-ch5sd]

Binomial distribution wouldn’t be as accurate as we’re under the assumption of “unlimited attempts” and the value differs then. Im wondering how did you also get 35 via geometric distribution because i’m sure that’s what he used.

[@exarex9697]

@@jonathanong-ch5sd i thought binomial distribution is better as it is an overall average. geometric distribution only covers for the first tier up but binomial covers for every other tier ups as well, not only the first. unless of course you are telling me you literally stop all future cubings once you get 1 single legendary. for geometric distribution, from what i understand, the math should be (1 - chance of success)^(n - 1). (1 - 0.02)^x = 0.5 log(0.98)^x = log(0.5) x * log(0.98) = log(0.5) x = log(0.5) / log(0.98) x = 34.3096 i rounded it to 35 to get a more "worse case" estimate. maybe 34 is more accurate. not too sure if this is correct since i mostly learn these myself.

[@breadybready]

Its a combined value of "epic -> unique" + "unique -> legendary" We can use yellow cubes ("master craftsman cubes") for epic -> unique for normal pot though but for add pot theres no such option

[@breadybready]

But anyway thats assuming we didnt get any of the kms cube rate buffs (the 2 lines about increasing tier up rate were deliberately left out from patch notes, twice) And then pity system which is responsible for 22% of tier ups in kms in non-DMT (5% during DMT) is missing, making KMS having effectively almost x1.8 tier up during non-DMT and almost x1.5 during DMT compared to msea (assuming msea is still at 1% / 0.5% for unique -> legendary normal / add pot respectively)

[@lyyy288]

Come to hyperion! its the newest reboot server and many maplesea players already found their home here already

[@JohnDoe-cg8fr]

Asiasoft, where we implement the unwanted features and remove the things people actually want 😂

[@toeee9167]

Let’s start gms reboot together

[@steambun2344]

Im moving to Kronos too see u there!

[@freshnjuicy3392]

Time to get a VPN and switch to different mapleserver

[@kappapride7138]

kronos prog series Pog

[@Entrypop97]

welcome to kronos yugimans

[@despair420blazeit4]

Welcome to gma kronos bruh

[@Arekiffle]

Gms reg server here welcome to gms

[@chingjs96]

Welcome to Kronos

[@Udderminn]

Welcome to Kronos!

[@akihikokayaba8675]

just finished downloading MapleSEA just to hear this :)

[@mrbeanspainting]

can i play maple global even if i stay in singapore?

[@leezhekang5400]

Time to quit . Playpark treated us as a joke.

[@fredericky12]

RESPECT!

[@s97hhshshs]

Welcome to KRONOS